2009 New York Yankees Season Discussion

[JPMNICK]

That's a pretty impressive come from behind win. Will it be the momentum starter to end up 10 above .500 by June 27th?

no

[Tenbatsuzen]

Need some help.

Going to the stadium tomorrow and gonna take some pics. You can see some examples on my flickr page, linked in my sig. (thumbs up, cheap pop).

I'm taking a SMALL camera bag for my camera, lens, and flash. It's about the size of a woman's purse. Should I have any issues getting into the Stadium with it, especially if I go early and have it opened and ready to be searched?

[TheGameHHH]

Need some help.

Going to the stadium tomorrow and gonna take some pics. You can see some examples on my flickr page, linked in my sig. (thumbs up, cheap pop).

I'm taking a SMALL camera bag for my camera, lens, and flash. It's about the size of a woman's purse. Should I have any issues getting into the Stadium with it, especially if I go early and have it opened and ready to be searched?

no, why would you?

[Tenbatsuzen]

no, why would you?

They say no backpacks, briefcases, or large bags, but say Women's purses are OK. I'm fucking paranoid of having security stop me and have to walk back to the car to put my very expensive camera in an unprotected car in the south Bronx.

I dunno. One of my greatest regrets is not having my good camera with me when I went to the fiesta bowl, and there was a KILLER moment of Pat White hugging his dad post-game that I would have loved to have captured but didn't because my camera sucked.

This will probably be one of my last opportunities to document the stadium, and I want to make sure I don't fuck it up.

[TheGameHHH]

They say no backpacks, briefcases, or large bags, but say Women's purses are OK. I'm fucking paranoid of having security stop me and have to walk back to the car to put my very expensive camera in an unprotected car in the south Bronx.

I dunno. One of my greatest regrets is not having my good camera with me when I went to the fiesta bowl, and there was a KILLER moment of Pat White hugging his dad post-game that I would have loved to have captured but didn't because my camera sucked.

This will probably be one of my last opportunities to document the stadium, and I want to make sure I don't fuck it up.

yea, but im pretty sure your camera bag isn't considered a backpack, briefcase or large bag. we always see people with cameras at the stadium so i think you're gonna be alright. either way let me know because im going to my final game on the 20th and i wanna bring a camera as well. also, if your wife is going and they give you any shit just stick the camera in her purse.

[Tenbatsuzen]

# No backpacks, briefcases, attaché cases, coolers, glass or plastic bottles, cans, large purses, bags or video cameras will be permitted into the ballpark. You must leave these items in your vehicle before entering the ballpark.
# No laptops are permitted into the stadium.
# No items will be claim checked. You will be asked to return them to your vehicle.
# Diaper bags, small children's backpacks, small women's purses & backpack purses will be permitted into the ballpark, but will be inspected at the entrance gates.

[BoondockSaint]

I went to Yankee stadium with my brother last year and he had his camera bag with his camera and lens in it. They checked it out and let him go in.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, harsh. I'm able to get into Wrigley with my messenger bag.

[A.J.]

Wow, harsh. I'm able to get into Wrigley with my messenger bag.

Because the terrorists hate New York's freedom, they have to have tighter security than Chicago.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Because the terrorists hate New York's freedom, they have to have tighter security than Chicago.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic, but New York's had 200% more terroristic attacks than Chicago, so I kinda think it's warranted.

For what it's worth, University of Phoenix Stadium had the same rules, but I saw people with camera bags going in, so who knows...

[A.J.]

Yes, I was being sarcastic: any excuse to use the "they hate our freedom" mantra.

[Snoogans]

Because the terrorists hate New York's freedom, they have to have tighter security than Chicago.

Dude you can basically bring a cooler into Shea Stadium, at least last I was there. This is all yankee rules

[Kevin]

This is from an article (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Yankee-Stadium-security-is-not-his-bag-baby?urn=mlb,83766)


So I hustled to the will-call window, snagged my ticket and ran over to Gate 4, where I was greeted by a bemused young lady in a drab Stadium worker uniform.

"They're not going to let you bring that in," she said.

She was referring to my bag: Black, lightweight, with three compartments and about the size of a small toaster oven. The proclamation struck me as ridiculous. I had taken this bag to arenas, to courthouses, through airports and, within the last hour, on two trains. Surely, after a quick search, I could take it inside The House That Ruth built.

My hopes grew when I observed a woman with a large handbag waltz through security with ease. And when I say "large," I mean "akin to a Volkswagen Beetle." The kind of DKNY knockoff that women actually have to dive into, like Ewan McGregor in the dirty toilet in "Trainspotting," in order to find their own car keys.

I followed her through, and was promptly stopped. "You can't bring that in."

A string of obscenities uttered in disbelief hung in the air as I approached a long cafeteria table next to a large blue dumpster — the place where bags go to die. A supervisor came over, joining two other Stadium drones in telling me "You can't bring that in."

"Did you see the woman in front of me? Did you see the size of that $@#% bag she had? You could fit three of these bags in that bag," I said, my Jersey accent cutting through to transform words into "deez" and "dats."

"That was a purse."

"So what if we just call this a purse?"

"It's not a purse. It's a bag."

Stunning, unmitigated sexism? Of course it is. But who's fighting for the 31-year-old dude in this situation, even if he's willing to defame his messenger bag by calling it a purse? (In hindsight, I should have played the Seinfeld "European Handbag" card to see their heads spin.)


No backpacks, briefcases, attaché cases, coolers, glass or plastic bottles, cans, large purses, bags or video cameras will be permitted into the ballpark. You must leave these items in your vehicle before entering the ballpark.

[...]

No items will be claim checked. You will be asked to return them to your vehicle. Diaper bags, small children's backpacks, small women's purses & backpack purses will be permitted into the ballpark, but will be inspected at the entrance gates.

[Kevin]

Dude you can basically bring a cooler into Shea Stadium, at least last I was there. This is all yankee rules

From Mets security page

Prohibited Items - Items larger than 16"x16"x8", coolers (hard-sided), cans, glass bottles, beverage containers, commercial audio/video equipment, alcoholic beverages, illegal substances, laser pointers, noisemaking devices, fireworks, animals (except for assistive purposes) and weapons.

[Snoogans]

From Mets security page

Prohibited Items - Items larger than 16"x16"x8", coolers (hard-sided), cans, glass bottles, beverage containers, commercial audio/video equipment, alcoholic beverages, illegal substances, laser pointers, noisemaking devices, fireworks, animals (except for assistive purposes) and weapons.

its been awhile since i been there so. But seriously, they will let you bring in a cooler smaller then 16x16x8 but they basically wont let you put ANYTHING in it


Actually, lookin at that, you could bring in food that way. And you could bring any kinda camera and camcorder

[Kit the Eskimo]

Need some help.

Going to the stadium tomorrow and gonna take some pics. You can see some examples on my flickr page, linked in my sig. (thumbs up, cheap pop).

I'm taking a SMALL camera bag for my camera, lens, and flash. It's about the size of a woman's purse. Should I have any issues getting into the Stadium with it, especially if I go early and have it opened and ready to be searched?

Make sure you read the stadium rules on the photo equipment allowed on site. Some stadiums don't allow larger lenses unless you have a press pass. These rules are obviously made for people with professional quality equipment, so as long as you are taking the average user type camera/lens you should be fine.

[Snoogans]

http://www.ecofriend.org/images/kodak_camera.jpg

[Doctor Z]

Camera bags should not be a problem. Got in there with an SLR, lenses, etc. last week. You're good.

[Knowledged_one]

This thread is less fun without Peter Abraham or BDC you know

and Robinson Cano is still below average and the Yankees are average

[Tenbatsuzen]

My plan is this:

I'm taking the smallest bag I have with my lenses.

If I don't get in, I will immediately start a massive PR campaign.

EDIT: And considering the product I want to take into the stadium is one of the Yankees' biggest advertisers, this will get Nasty in a hurry.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.ecofriend.org/images/kodak_camera.jpg

Eat a dick.

[A.J.]

Wear a blue blazer with a white turtleneck and say you're "Harvey Steinbrenner".

[Snoogans]

Eat a dick.

wow someone is having a bad day. Just tryin to help

[Jujubees2]

My plan is this:

I'm taking the smallest bag I have with my lenses.

If I don't get in, I will immediately start a massive PR campaign.

EDIT: And considering the product I want to take into the stadium is one of the Yankees' biggest advertisers, this will get Nasty in a hurry.


They are really picky at Yankee Stadium. I went to a game and they wouldn't let me take in my backpack which just had a sweatshirt, some peanuts and my friend's meds in it.

As for photography, no video is allowed and they are really strict on the size of a still lens.

Two days before, I went to Shea and was able to walk right in with the same backpack.

[Tenbatsuzen]

wow someone is having a bad day. Just tryin to help

I hate those cameras. I don't spent a lot of money on myself, but one thing I did spend $$$ on is my camera. And I'd like to use it without worrying about having it destroyed.

[Tenbatsuzen]

They are really picky at Yankee Stadium. I went to a game and they wouldn't let me take in my backpack which just had a sweatshirt, some peanuts and my friend's meds in it.

As for photography, no video is allowed and they are really strict on the size of a still lens.

Two days before, I went to Shea and was able to walk right in with the same backpack.

I don't have huge lenses. a 50mm prime, a 18-55 kit, and 75-300. Out of all of them, the 75-300 might be the biggest issue.

[Snoogans]

do you seriously think i really meant you should use that piece of shit?

[Kevin]

Nice to see that this offense keeps having Rasners back. They give him a shit load of support.

[Doctor Z]

Now typically I'd get on this team right now for getting shut down against a team like the Royals, but... let's face facts:

Kyle Davies is a first ballot Hall Of Famer.

[Kevin]

Now typically I'd get on this team right now for getting shut down against a team like the Royals, but... let's face facts:

Kyle Davies is a first ballot Hall Of Famer.

How can the HOF voters overlook his lifetime 6+ era??

[Doctor Z]

I'm not one for pitch counts, but... 110 pitches right now... came into the inning over 100.

I know there's no one in the bullpen we can trust, but could Girardi be pushing it a bit here?

[Doctor Z]

Okay, so Darrell Rasner just gave us 8 innings of 2-run ball, threw 120 pitches... Can we please fucking win this game? If only for the sake of not being dicks?

[Kevin]

That is the worst call in the history of calls.

[Doctor Z]

.HOLY FUCKING SHIT, that is the WORST CALL I HAVE SEEN IN YEARS. FUCKING HORSESHIT. Not even CLOSE. Not even a borderline call. THAT WAS 100% BLATANTLY WRONG. These assholes should face fines for this kind of shit.

[Kevin]

Way to build on yesterdays momentum guys.

[Doctor Z]

What a fucking horseshit game. Fuck.

Another terrific performance from Rasner WASTED. A complete bullshit call with 2 on in the bottom of the 8th. The Royals have lost 11 straight on the road. And they come in and win tonight 2-1. That fucking sucks...

THAT.

Fucking sucks.

[Kevin]

What a fucking horseshit game. Fuck.

Another terrific performance from Rasner WASTED. A complete bullshit call with 2 on in the bottom of the 8th. The Royals have lost 11 straight on the road. And they come in and win tonight 2-1. That fucking sucks...

THAT.

Fucking sucks.

TERRIBLE call... But that does not hide the fact that this team is full of unclutch douchebags.

[RogerDornShortHops]

Does Kim just want the whole Yankee team to run train on her? Is she a younger, hotter Suzy Waldman in the makiing?

[RogerDornShortHops]

Will anyone else be there tomorrow? I'll be in the bleachers. They better put on a good show considering the kind of heat that's expected.

[Tenbatsuzen]

In case you're wondering how my mission went, here's a taste:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6393/img0806jz8.jpg

[Snoogans]

In case you're wondering how my mission went, here's a taste:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6393/img0806jz8.jpg

thats horrible, you didnt even get his face in the picture

[TheMojoPin]

In case you're wondering how my mission went, here's a taste:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6393/img0806jz8.jpg

Who is that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Who is that?

A guy with 4 rings and 8 notches on the Maxim Hot 100. And you are...?

[Snoogans]

A guy with 4 rings and 8 notches on the Maxim Hot 100. And you are...?

there was 8 gay guys on the Maxim hot 100?

[Tenbatsuzen]

there was 8 gay guys on the Maxim hot 100?

You're thinking of the third baseman. Or the over-religious pitcher.

[TheMojoPin]

Is that the special guest that threw out the first pitch?

[Snoogans]

Is that the special guest that threw out the first pitch?

According to Michael Kay, that was the 2nd greatest yankee of all time

[TheGameHHH]

In case you're wondering how my mission went, here's a taste:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6393/img0806jz8.jpg

thats pretty fucking awesome

[Dan 'Hampton]

According to Michael Kay, that was the 2nd greatest yankee of all time

Now I get the number on his jersey.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The best of the best of my pics from last night are posted on my Flickr site below.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone we recognize in them?

[Snoogans]

Anyone we recognize in them?

Yea Kuntz from KC

[Kevin]

Anyone we recognize in them?

I dunno he has a couple of ass shots that i cant figure out.

[TheMojoPin]

You'd think with that giant camera and being at a Yankees game and all he would have more shots of famous baseball players.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dunno he has a couple of ass shots that i cant figure out.

Requested by my wife and the really angry Puerto Rican chick sitting behind me. I was afraid she was gonna cut me if I didn't do as she asked.

[Snoogans]

Requested by my wife and the really angry Puerto Rican chick sitting behind me. I was afraid she was gonna cut me if I didn't do as she asked.

You sat in front of Jose Reyes?

[Snoogans]

you guys are lucky guillen is retarded

[Doctor Z]

Jeter definitely does NOT have an edge.

[Kevin]

Jeter definitely does NOT have an edge.

Are you sure you're a SS?

[Snoogans]

the yankees need to go back to ZERO facial hair. This porn stache is fuckin everything up

[Kevin]

the yankees need to go back to ZERO facial hair. This porn stache is fuckin everything up

NEW FUCKING MANDATE!

EVERYONE GETS A PORNO STACHE... NOW!!

[Snoogans]

no but seriously, Jeter is awesome on D

[Kevin]

Are you sure you're a SS?

bump

[cougarjake13]

move everyone right, or to their left

arod to short
jeter to 2nd
cano to 1st

solves everything

[Snoogans]

move everyone right, or to their left

arod to short
jeter to 2nd
cano to 1st

solves everything

and betemit to 3rd?

[Kevin]

move everyone right, or to their left

arod to short
jeter to 2nd
cano to 1st

solves everything

Thats the worst idea ever. Why would they move a guy with Cano's arm and range to 1st? At least put him on 3rd.

And if they move to their left, it would be Arod Catching Jeter 3rd cano ss

[Kevin]

Are you sure you're a 16mil a year pitcher?

[Snoogans]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIT is HIGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIT IS FAR

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMITS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

[Doctor Z]

http://wordincarnate.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/unhappy_man.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

http://ontheedge.cummings-online.ca/album/views/nick_amazed_wv.jpg

[Kevin]

http://conservativessuck.blogspot.com/cubs%20fan%20crying.jpg

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Pettite 10 runs to the Royals


wow, just wow

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.veryfunnypics.com/pics/sports/images/baseballfans.jpg

[Snoogans]

what a shock that ARod hits a 2 run bomb while down 4.

[Doctor Z]

Can we somehow transfer 2 of today's useless runs over to yesterday's game? Can that be done?

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, why is everyone slamming A-Rod's homer? The game's not done!

[A.J.]

In case you're wondering how my mission went, here's a taste:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6393/img0806jz8.jpg

"Nice game pretty boy!"

[Kevin]

Porno Staches For All!!

[Doctor Z]

Good thing for A-Rod's useless homerun!

[Doctor Z]

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/yankees/photos/abreusm.jpg

"IS NO GOOD!"

[Kevin]

Of course.

.......

[Doctor Z]

Fuck it.

Mercy.

Uncle.

I give up.

I concede.

I quit.

This team is destined for failure.

[Kevin]

Of course.



............

[Kevin]

Take that!


PORNO STACHES FOR EVERYONE!!!

[Kevin]

Fuck it.

Mercy.

Uncle.

I give up.

I concede.

I quit.

This team is destined for failure.

Nice work Z.

[Doctor Z]

I am a faggot.

[Doctor Z]

That being said...

6 FOR 6!!! HOOOLLY COOWWW!!!

[Doctor Z]

Holy shit, they just said Damon is the first Yankee to go 6 for 6 in a 9 inning game since 1934.

I'M GONNA GO DRINK BEERAHOLIC BEVERAGES!

[joeyballsack]

Yanks have gotten a couple of nice wins the last few days.

You guys are bipolar though. The most up and down fans in the league have to be Yankee fans.

[Kevin]

Yanks have gotten a couple of nice wins the last few days.

You guys are bipolar though. The most up and down fans in the league have to be Yankee fans.

Pot calling kettle black

[cougarjake13]

Thats the worst idea ever. Why would they move a guy with Cano's arm and range to 1st? At least put him on 3rd.

And if they move to their left, it would be Arod Catching Jeter 3rd cano ss

you obviously dont know your lefts and rights

if standing in their position and looking left who does jeter see ???

the fucking second baseman

thank you have a nice day assclown

[Kevin]

move everyone right, or to their left

arod to short
jeter to 2nd
cano to 1st

solves everything

you obviously dont know your lefts and rights

if standing in their position and looking left who does jeter see ???

the fucking second baseman

thank you have a nice day assclown

You SAID! move everyone to their RIGHT or to their LEFT

[cougarjake13]

You SAID! move everyone to their RIGHT or to their LEFT

re read my post

no where do i say move to their right


so take it as i posted it

move them right if you are watching them from the stands

or to that players left

my point is iron clad solid


also my prediction of the yankees not making the playoffs while girardi is mgr is looking good

[Kevin]

re read my post

no where do i say move to their right


so take it as i posted it

move them right if you are watching them from the stands

or to that players left

my point is iron clad solid


also my prediction of the yankees not making the playoffs while girardi is mgr is looking good

Originally Posted by cougarjake13 View Post
move everyone right, or to their left

Where in the blue hell does that say stands?

Its still a terrible idea. Cano iwould be wasted at 1b.

[cougarjake13]

Originally Posted by cougarjake13 View Post
move everyone right, or to their left

Where in the blue hell does that say stands?

Its still a terrible idea. Cano iwould be wasted at 1b.


it was meant as a joke in the first place

and its logical when you read it

if i say move them right and then list where they are moving to it makes sense
it implies that i am looking at them as if i was behind home plate

which then when you read the second part of the post..." or to their left", well if i just established the view from behind home plate theory then you have to realize that for the statement or to their left to make sense and still put them at the new positions i stated it has to be from their current positions looking at the catcher

[Bossanova]

it was meant as a joke in the first place

and its logical when you read it

if i say move them right and then list where they are moving to it makes sense
it implies that i am looking at them as if i was behind home plate

which then when you read the second part of the post..." or to their left", well if i just established the view from behind home plate theory then you have to realize that for the statement or to their left to make sense and still put them at the new positions i stated it has to be from their current positions looking at the catcher

I read your post and I have no idea what the fuck it meant.

[Snoogans]

Holy shit, they just said Damon is the first Yankee to go 6 for 6 in a 9 inning game since 1934.

I'M GONNA GO DRINK BEERAHOLIC BEVERAGES!

I guess, according to Michael Kay, that means Damon is now a top 3 all time yankee

[Snoogans]

it was meant as a joke in the first place

and its logical when you read it

if i say move them right and then list where they are moving to it makes sense
it implies that i am looking at them as if i was behind home plate

which then when you read the second part of the post..." or to their left", well if i just established the view from behind home plate theory then you have to realize that for the statement or to their left to make sense and still put them at the new positions i stated it has to be from their current positions looking at the catcher

Basically he wants arod to SS< jeter to second, cano to first, betemit to catcher, and jorge to 3rd.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, I haven't been to Yankee Stadium in close to 13 years. It's mainly a combination of tickets and the whole process of getting in being prohibitively expensive for me, and not having a lot of friends who are Yankee fans.

We left very early so we had no issues getting into the game, but I was SHOCKED how easy it was getting OUT. We had a real ease of getting out of the garage, so that might have helped, but we just launched right out on the GWB.

Also -

Yankee Stadium is a fucking dump. Seriously. I can't believe how it looks THAT GOOD on television but the walkways and tunnels are that fucking tight. I noticed a lot of decay on the stadium and the New Joint can't come soon enough. I think I've been spoiled by seeing a few games at Citizens Bank Ballpark in Philly, which is a much, much nicer facility than Yankee Stadium.

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, why is everyone slamming A-Rod's homer? The game's not done!

CALLED IT.

Clutch-Rod owns all of you bitches.

[Tenbatsuzen]

CALLED IT.

Clutch-Rod owns all of you bitches.

Do I bitch? I was watching the game live and I knew the game wasn't over at that point, we were only down two runs.

People like to pick on Alex because he's an easy target, when there's a few other people who have been stealing money from the Yankees with their performance this year.

There's a lot of goats, A-Rod's not one of them.

Goddamn do not turn me into the voice of reason in this thread. Everyone thought the season was over by this time last year, which was crazy.

[BoondockSaint]

BTW, I haven't been to Yankee Stadium in close to 13 years. It's mainly a combination of tickets and the whole process of getting in being prohibitively expensive for me, and not having a lot of friends who are Yankee fans.

We left very early so we had no issues getting into the game, but I was SHOCKED how easy it was getting OUT. We had a real ease of getting out of the garage, so that might have helped, but we just launched right out on the GWB.

Also -

Yankee Stadium is a fucking dump. Seriously. I can't believe how it looks THAT GOOD on television but the walkways and tunnels are that fucking tight. I noticed a lot of decay on the stadium and the New Joint can't come soon enough. I think I've been spoiled by seeing a few games at Citizens Bank Ballpark in Philly, which is a much, much nicer facility than Yankee Stadium.


Wait until you see how impressive the new Yankee Stadium is, in 2022.

[TheGameHHH]

Where's the usual gang of Snoogans, Mojo, Boondock, k_o, and kevin to rip on the Yanks today? i miss them.

[JPMNICK]

i thought Joba looked pretty good today. threw some nice pitches, except that big homerun on the hanging curve

[BoondockSaint]

No Harlan interview today? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!



Happy, Game?

[TheGameHHH]

No Harlan interview today? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!



Happy, Game?

much better, thank you

[Kevin]

Where's the usual gang of Snoogans, Mojo, Boondock, k_o, and kevin to rip on the Yanks today? i miss them.

err, watching the game.

I rip but i praise when they deserve it. Granted, some people come here just to do one of those things, then hide when they can't. But i am always here win or lose. If they suck i will say it.

Edit.. You forgot the most obvious one. Spoon..

[Bossanova]

Where's the usual gang of Snoogans, Mojo, Boondock, k_o, and kevin to rip on the Yanks today? i miss them.

Yankees are still a bunch of dick sucking mo's.

[TheGameHHH]

Yankees are still a bunch of dick sucking mo's.

I feel terrible about leaving you out of that stellar crew, i promise you next time i wont forget.

[Bossanova]

I feel terrible about leaving you out of that stellar crew, i promise you next time i wont forget.

Its ok, I don't come as much as I should. I am usually pissing on my own team

[BoondockSaint]

Its ok, I don't come as much as I should. I am usually pissing on my own team


Is there any video?

[Kevin]

Its ok, I don't come as much as I should. I am usually pissing on my own team

All your worries will be over when you move Delgado to CF Wright to Catcher, Reyes to closer and Beltran to 1b.

[Bossanova]

Is there any video?

No, Beltran "isn't gay", so I am not allowed to tape

[Bossanova]

All your worries will be over when you move Delgado to CF Wright to Catcher, Reyes to closer and Beltran to 1b.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ah the old right to left to backward to frontward position change

[foodcourtdruide]

All your worries will be over when you move Delgado to CF Wright to Catcher, Reyes to closer and Beltran to 1b.

I think they should put Delgado in right, for the 4 days he isn't pitching.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think most of you should feel ashamed for making BDC leave the board.

[TheGameHHH]

I think most of you should feel ashamed for making BDC leave the board.

i cant tell if youre being serious or this is in a mocking tone but it is kind of pitiful that there was such a gang up on one person. i certainly dont think BDC was flawless, cause there were several occassions he was flat out wrong and would refuse to admit/acknowledge it, but he certainly didn't deserve the verbal beatdown he received.

[Snoogans]

Where's the usual gang of Snoogans, Mojo, Boondock, k_o, and kevin to rip on the Yanks today? i miss them.

I was at work. And I never really rip on the yankees, just make points. I rip on a certain fan of the yankees

[Doctor Z]

I was at work. And I never really rip on the yankees, just make points. I rip on a certain fan of the yankees

Yeah, and I WAS BANGING A VICTORIA'S SECRET MODEL!

[Snoogans]

Yeah, and I WAS BANGING A VICTORIA'S SECRET MODEL!

Well then you musta had a good day, cause I actually was at work from 330-930

[Sinestro]

Yeah, and I WAS BANGING A VICTORIA'S SECRET MODEL!

The model on page 12 was smoking hot too.

[Kevin]

i cant tell if youre being serious or this is in a mocking tone but it is kind of pitiful that there was such a gang up on one person. i certainly dont think BDC was flawless, cause there were several occassions he was flat out wrong and would refuse to admit/acknowledge it, but he certainly didn't deserve the verbal beatdown he received.

You just answered your own question. He got beat down verbally because he wouldn't say he was wrong and kept on quoting and saying stupid shit to back up his stupidity. Everything he got he brought on himself. If he would acknowledge he was wrong, everyone would move on and not bother him. He would smugly call you a moron while making the dumbest points ever.

[Snoogans]

i cant tell if youre being serious or this is in a mocking tone but it is kind of pitiful that there was such a gang up on one person. i certainly dont think BDC was flawless, cause there were several occassions he was flat out wrong and would refuse to admit/acknowledge it, but he certainly didn't deserve the verbal beatdown he received.

He definately did when he decided to personally attack people who were only attacking what he posted. and like kevin said, no one EVER woulda killed him if he, JUST ONE TIME, said you know what, maybe im wrong.

Edit: Not even just wrong, but he also acted like he knew everything. I never once heard him say something about not being sure. He always acted as if he and his sources were the authority

[Tenbatsuzen]

He definately did when he decided to personally attack people who were only attacking what he posted. and like kevin said, no one EVER woulda killed him if he, JUST ONE TIME, said you know what, maybe im wrong.

Edit: Not even just wrong, but he also acted like he knew everything. I never once heard him say something about not being sure. He always acted as if he and his sources were the authority

miss Madden board character

I recognize that BDC got a lot of heat, but I just ignored him. He wasn't annoying, but he could be way off-center at times. When he brought up the Abraham material about moderation, I winced completely and said nothing because I knew that wouldn't end well.

I think bDC's departure was part of the utter torture you guys gave him and his inability to "hang".

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just read the triple crown thread...

was... was that for real?

[TheMojoPin]

Where's the usual gang of Snoogans, Mojo, Boondock, k_o, and kevin to rip on the Yanks today? i miss them.

I was at work, but how often do I come in here to "rip" the Yankees? I've gone out of my way to talk about how I DON'T hate the Yankees.

[Snoogans]

I just read the triple crown thread...

was... was that for real?

completely. Thats exactly why that shit happened. No other reason then things like that.

[Kevin]

I was at work, but how often do I come in here to "rip" the Yankees? I've gone out of my way to talk about how I DON'T hate the Yankees.

Yea, and apparently i am a Yankee hater because i have an honest opinion of my team.

God forbid.

[TheGameHHH]

Yea, and apparently i am a Yankee hater because i have an honest opinion of my team.

God forbid.

i didnt call you a hater, far from it. but the fact that you say you have an honest opinion of your team is far from the truth. ive never seen anybody want to fit in more with a group of people on a message board, which is both odd and disturbing. its not worth getting into some sort of spat over, but dont be so afraid of what other people might say of your opinions.

[Kevin]

i didnt call you a hater, far from it. but the fact that you say you have an honest opinion of your team is far from the truth. ive never seen anybody want to fit in more with a group of people on a message board, which is both odd and disturbing. its not worth getting into some sort of spat over, but dont be so afraid of what other people might say of your opinions.

WHAT??

Do you read this place?

I have called out Spoon..

I have called out KO when he didnt respond when the Yanks were winning

I got into a fight with Chris the Cop

Do you possibly read this board? i really do not think you do.

[TheGameHHH]

WHAT??

Do you read this place?

I have called out Spoon..

I have called out KO when he didnt respond when the Yanks were winning

I got into a fight with Chris the Cop

Do you possibly read this board? i really do not think you do.

No, i dont read this place. ever.

[Kevin]

No, i dont read this place. ever.

Well appearently not, or else you would not make such a misinformed statement.

I agree with the Yankee haters because.. Hey guess WHAT.. THEY ARE FUCKING RIGHT.

Our team has 90 MORE MILLION dollar payroll. And has NO BENCH. NO RP AND SHOTTY SP. You really think this team is run right?

What am i gunna possibly say to counter act their statements?

I constantly go to war with KO over his statements about current players.

Unlike some people here, i pick my fights when i know i am right.

[TheGameHHH]

Well appearently not, or else you would not make such a misinformed statement.

I agree with the Yankee haters because.. Hey guess WHAT.. THEY ARE FUCKING RIGHT.

Our team has 90 MORE MILLION dollar payroll. And has NO BENCH. NO RP AND SHOTTY SP. You really think this team is run right?

What am i gunna possibly say to counter act their statements?

I constantly go to war with KO over his statements about current players.

Unlike some people here, i pick my fights when i know i am right.

so you agree with the Yankee haters because they are correct, yet you yourself are not a hater? ok

there are certainly holes in this team but with the state that its in it's not about winning this season unfortunately. while id like to win this year, its clear this team doesnt have it. but what they do have is a future, so its something to be excited about. in one season's time shotty SP might be excellent SP, we dont know yet. theres also several kids in the minors who can not only provide bench help later this season and into next, but they might be the next core of outfielders. its about biding time right now, just because they aren't winning the division right now doesnt mean they're run poorly.

[Kevin]

so you agree with the Yankee haters because they are correct, yet you yourself are not a hater? ok

there are certainly holes in this team but with the state that its in it's not about winning this season unfortunately. while id like to win this year, its clear this team doesnt have it. but what they do have is a future, so its something to be excited about. in one season's time shotty SP might be excellent SP, we dont know yet. theres also several kids in the minors who can not only provide bench help later this season and into next, but they might be the next core of outfielders. its about biding time right now, just because they aren't winning the division right now doesnt mean they're run poorly.

So it makes me a hater because i agree with haters? Huh?

And with baseball, i do not want hear about prospects or anything like that. I believe what i see with my own eyes. I can name u tons of names that were supposed to be 'great' but flopped. Its happened more often then not.

Bottom line.

Hank is an idiot that will cost us players in trades because he talks too much.
Cashman has done a TERRIBLE job. His FA record, esp with pitching has been an abomination. Signing players that EVERYONE said, WTF?? As soon as he signed them.

Cash rode the coattails of Stick Michael from 97-01. The rest of the time he has been a disaster

I would love nothing more than this teams prospects to pan out and this team to be great again. But as of now, i have to call them as i see them.

[TheGameHHH]

So it makes me a hater because i agree with haters? Huh?

And with baseball, i do not want hear about prospects or anything like that. I believe what i see with my own eyes. I can name u tons of names that were supposed to be 'great' but flopped. Its happened more often then not.

Bottom line.

Hank is an idiot that will cost us players in trades because he talks too much.
Cashman has done a TERRIBLE job. His FA record, esp with pitching has been an abomination. Signing players that EVERYONE said, WTF?? As soon as he signed them.

Cash rode the coattails of Stick Michael from 97-01. The rest of the time he has been a disaster

I would love nothing more than this teams prospects to pan out and this team to be great again. But as of now, i have to call them as i see them.

Yes it does, im unsure how you don't see that. If you said apples taste good and I agreed with you, then I also like apples.

So you're a baseball fan and you dont want to hear about prospects? I want to play in a fantasy league with you. Do names like Chamberlin, Bruce, Hamilton, Masterson, Longoria, Upton and the like surprise you when they all of a sudden appear in the bigs and perform well? Prospects are a lot of fun to get excited about. While I agree with you that you can't bank on them all panning out, the talent the young kids on the Yanks might posses is quite intriguing.

[Kevin]

Yes it does, im unsure how you don't see that. If you said apples taste good and I agreed with you, then I also like apples.

So you're a baseball fan and you dont want to hear about prospects? I want to play in a fantasy league with you. Do names like Chamberlin, Bruce, Hamilton, Masterson, Longoria, Upton and the like surprise you when they all of a sudden appear in the bigs and perform well? Prospects are a lot of fun to get excited about. While I agree with you that you can't bank on them all panning out, the talent the young kids on the Yanks might posses is quite intriguing.

Yea, but how many others did those guys have that didn't pan out? The Reds have been losing for years.because guys didn't pan out. The Drays have like 15# picks in a row. A few have to pan out.

And you do realize Hamilton is like 27 right? It took him years to finally get it together.

And the Rays had Delmon Young Elijah Dukes, and countless busts. Like i said, when u have 50 top 5 picks, some HAVE to pan out. They have had great draft positions ever since they came in the leauge and its just starting to work.

And your apples analogy was retarded. If someone gave me a bad apple and i said i dont like it, its rotten or not sweet. Does it mean i hate apples? or just that apple?

They give reasons on why the Yanks are sucking and why, and i have to agree. Does not mean i hate the Yankees.

[TheGameHHH]

Yea, but how many others did those guys have that didn't pan out? The Reds have been losing for years.because guys didn't pan out. The Drays have like 15# picks in a row. A few have to pan out.

And you do realize Hamilton is like 27 right? It took him years to finally get it together.

And the Rays had Delmon Young Elijah Dukes, and countless busts. Like i said, when u have 50 top 5 picks, some HAVE to pan out. They have had great draft positions ever since they came in the leauge and its just starting to work.

And your apples analogy was retarded. If someone gave me a bad apple and i said i dont like it, its rotten or not sweet. Does it mean i hate apples? or just that apple?

of course picks have to pan out, if they didnt there would be no major leagues.

dude, it took years for Hamilton to get it together because he was a drug addict not because he wasnt a good baseball player. he was such a talent that he was drafted number 1 overall.

and seriously, i have no idea how to explain this further to you. if you got an apple and it was rotten you would say it was awful. not all apples taste like that, thats called an exception. lets use something that is even more basic so you can get it. If you hated wearing shoes and I agreed with you, then i would also hate wearing shoes.

[HBox]

And you do realize Hamilton is like 27 right? It took him years to finally get off the smack.

Fixed.

[Kevin]

Fixed.

Didn't he get taken in the rule 5 draft?

[TheGameHHH]

Didn't he get taken in the rule 5 draft?

Nope, number 1 overall in the rule 4 draft of 1999.

[Kevin]

Nope, number 1 overall in the rule 4 draft of 1999.

I mean recently by the Reds.

And thats part of a player being a bust.

Bad play or others. Does not matter.

[TheGameHHH]

I mean recently by the Reds.

And thats part of a player being a bust.

Bad play or others. Does not matter.

he was rule 5'd by the Cubs, then traded to the Reds.

and how exactly is he a bust?

[Kevin]

he was rule 5'd by the Cubs, then traded to the Reds.

and how exactly is he a bust?

Well, of course he turned it around, but he was a bust for the Rays wasn't he?

[TheGameHHH]

Well, of course he turned it around, but he was a bust for the Rays wasn't he?

i dont know because i dont agree with your term bust here. he was always a great ball player, look at his stats. no bust about anything. he was a drug addict.

[Kevin]

i dont know because i dont agree with your term bust here. he was always a great ball player, look at his stats. no bust about anything. he was a drug addict.

Drafted #1 and does not play a single major league game for you. Unless you delt him to get something u needed. That is a bust.

Chauncy Billups was not a bust. But he was a bust for the C's.

[TheGameHHH]

Drafted #1 and does not play a single major league game for you. Unless you delt him to get something u needed. That is a bust.

HE DIDN'T PLAY BECAUSE HE WAS ADDICTED TO DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

If he sucked, naturally, and didnt play a single game for the rays i would totally be with you here. then, regardless if he caught on somewhere else, he would be a bust for tampa though not a bust as a player.

im gonna go look up high draft picks that didnt play a single pro game for the team that drafted him.

[Kevin]

HE DIDN'T PLAY BECAUSE HE WAS ADDICTED TO DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

If he sucked, naturally, and didnt play a single game for the rays i would totally be with you here. then, regardless if he caught on somewhere else, he would be a bust for tampa though not a bust as a player.

im gonna go look up high draft picks that didnt play a single pro game for the team that drafted him.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY HE DIDN'T PLAY. RAYS STILL CLASSIFY HIM A BUST.

Jesus Christ.

And if you read.. I said he was a Bust draft pick for Tampa. Not a bust player.

[TheGameHHH]

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY HE DIDN'T PLAY. RAYS STILL CLASSIFY HIM A BUST.

Jesus Christ.

And if you read.. I said he was a Bust draft pick for Tampa. Not a bust player.

Alright, i need clarification on something before i go to bed. Let's use a man named John Doe for example purposes. John Doe is drafted by Team X. A few months later John Doe gets cancer and it takes over two years for him to receive the proper treatment and recover. Because he was signed at a low cost he is cut by Team X. Fast forward two years and John Doe is healthy and ready to play again. Team Y now drafts John Doe again and he has an excellent pro career. So, due to disease, John Doe was a bust for Team X?

[jauble]

Alright, i need clarification on something before i go to bed. Let's use a man named John Doe for example purposes. John Doe is drafted by Team X. A few months later John Doe gets cancer and it takes over two years for him to receive the proper treatment and recover. Because he was signed at a low cost he is cut by Team X. Fast forward two years and John Doe is healthy and ready to play again. Team Y now drafts John Doe again and he has an excellent pro career. So, due to disease, John Doe was a bust for Team X?

umm yeah

just sayin

[Knowledged_one]

Where's the usual gang of Snoogans, Mojo, Boondock, k_o, and kevin to rip on the Yanks today? i miss them.

dude i dont usually post on the weekends and this weekend i was gone pretty much the whole time, but what would you like me to comment on

Pettite at $16 million giving up 10 ER's and they get a win after Rivera gave up a 9th inning home run

I mean seriously i will continue to say it the yankees are a mediocre team, they beat up on the Royals (just like their last win streak) and then they face real competition and they struggle.

Cano is still playing below average, Jeter is still a guy i have respect for and the outfield is very average.

But im glad to see that ESPN is covering Chamberlain's start so vociferously hopefully he can have another failed start

[Freitag]

Alright, i need clarification on something before i go to bed. Let's use a man named John Doe for example purposes. John Doe is drafted by Team X. A few months later John Doe gets cancer and it takes over two years for him to receive the proper treatment and recover. Because he was signed at a low cost he is cut by Team X. Fast forward two years and John Doe is healthy and ready to play again. Team Y now drafts John Doe again and he has an excellent pro career. So, due to disease, John Doe was a bust for Team X?

The above statement makes no sense; if Doe was signed at a *low cost* the team would not cut him due to the cancer. They would move him to the DL or something and consider him a long-range prospect.

But yes, if Doe was cut because of health issues, whether it was cancer or addiction or Pavano-like fragility, if he doesn't perform for the team who drafts him, he can be considered a bust FOR THAT TEAM, not overall.

There's a difference between something like cancer and behavioral issues like addiction.

[Kevin]

The above statement makes no sense; if Doe was signed at a *low cost* the team would not cut him due to the cancer. They would move him to the DL or something and consider him a long-range prospect.

But yes, if Doe was cut because of health issues, whether it was cancer or addiction or Pavano-like fragility, if he doesn't perform for the team who drafts him, he can be considered a bust FOR THAT TEAM, not overall.

There's a difference between something like cancer and behavioral issues like addiction.

Yea, my point is prospects in baseball are a major crapshoot. Sure some pan out but a good % do not. And part of being a ball player is Mind and Body. He clearly did not have the Mental ability at that time to be a great ball player. So for the Rays, he was clearly a bust. As a overall player, with the #s he is putting up now, of course he isn't. And i hope that this kid keeps it up because he is a great talent. But you can't call him completely a non bust yet. The reason why Texas has not giving him a long term deal yet is because they are afraid he will revert back. And its possibility. Especially with new found money.

And one last analogy to prove your 'apple' and 'shoe's' statment wrong.

If an American talks to a person from Europe. And he tells you, Your administration has been terribly run throughout the Bush Administration. And he gives you true fact after true fact to prove his or her case. Now you feel the same way and hate the Bush Administration. Does that mean you are anti American? Of course not. It just means you do not like the way they are doing things right now.

[Knowledged_one]

WHAT??

Do you read this place?

I have called out Spoon..

I have called out KO when he didnt respond when the Yanks were winning

I got into a fight with Chris the Cop

Do you possibly read this board? i really do not think you do.

Kevin is right he has sparred with me over not only not posting when the yankees were winning, but also on Robinson Cano, the best catcher in the majors, the mediocrity of the Yankees in general and whether or not you can still call the team a slow starter when it is this late in the season.

He is also a realist and recognizes that this yankee team may not be as good as the teams over the last decade or so

And also i think its lame to put a guilt trip on anyone here for BDC leaving, because i do know that there were no yankee fans backing up BDC or coming to his defence because he was wrong and had no original thoughts he merely parroted Mr. One Million hits on a blog

[TheGameHHH]

Yea, my point is prospects in baseball are a major crapshoot. Sure some pan out but a good % do not. And part of being a ball player is Mind and Body. He clearly did not have the Mental ability at that time to be a great ball player. So for the Rays, he was clearly a bust. As a overall player, with the #s he is putting up now, of course he isn't. And i hope that this kid keeps it up because he is a great talent. But you can't call him completely a non bust yet. The reason why Texas has not giving him a long term deal yet is because they are afraid he will revert back. And its possibility. Especially with new found money.

And one last analogy to prove your 'apple' and 'shoe's' statment wrong.

If an American talks to a person from Europe. And he tells you, Your administration has been terribly run throughout the Bush Administration. And he gives you true fact after true fact to prove his or her case. Now you feel the same way and hate the Bush Administration. Does that mean you are anti American? Of course not. It just means you do not like the way they are doing things right now.

when the topic at hand is the Bush Administration, that would make you Anti-Bush.

[Snoogans]

How about I try to get you ladies back on track.


Arod loves to lick Jeter's cock. Discuss

[TheGameHHH]

How about I try to get you ladies back on track.


Arod loves to lick Jeter's cock. Discuss

Manny loves Big Papi's little Pee Pee

[Doctor Z]

Today's discussion:

Better all time pitcher -- Sandy Koufax or Luke Hochevar?

LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

[Snoogans]

Today's discussion:

Better all time pitcher -- Sandy Koufax or Luke Hochevar?

LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

Everybody knows Doc Ellis is the best pitcher ever

[Knowledged_one]

The Yankees are still mediocre

and Rick Vaughn owns Clew Heywood

[Doctor Z]

Really glad we've been able to offer Mussina some decent run support during this shutout he's throwing.

[TheGameHHH]

Really glad we've been able to offer Mussina some decent run support during this shutout he's throwing.

did u just post that right before Olivo's bomb? if u did youre the new Dr. McJinxy

[TheGameHHH]

thank god a-rod never comes up clutch

[Doctor Z]

Great... another USELESS 2-run shot from A-Rod. pfft...

[BoondockSaint]

For a second I thought Michael Kay had sprung a leak.

[Snoogans]

thank god a-rod never comes up clutch

When you have to get excited over a clutch HR in June over KC, that means thats true, he isnt clutch

[Snoogans]

Guillen is KILLIN you guys

[JPMNICK]

2 hr's in 2 games for mariano

[King Hippos Bandaid]

note to Yanks

Sign Jose Guillen , He loves Yankee Stadium

[Snoogans]

Great... another USELESS 2-run shot from A-Rod. pfft...

exactly

[Doctor Z]

Welp... THAT was gayer than Richard Simmons wearing a rainbow cape, marching in the gay pride parade, with semen stains on the back of his thong.

[Freitag]

I'd like to thank Melky Cabrera for his ability to work a freaking count when it's 10000 degrees and the bases are loaded.

2 pitches? With the bases loaded? I mean... really?

[Kevin]

I'd like to thank Melky Cabrera for his ability to work a freaking count when it's 10000 degrees and the bases are loaded.

2 pitches? With the bases loaded? I mean... really?

Seriously. And he swung at a fucking low ball. Wtf.

And that fucking up at 1st is a douchebag. Melky was CLEARLY safe at 1st during the bunt. He is the same douche that made the horrendous Giambi call.

[Kevin]

Everybody knows Doc Ellis is the best pitcher ever

Steve Nebraska, biatch!

[Kevin]

when the topic at hand is the Bush Administration, that would make you Anti-Bush.

I like turtles.

[Freitag]

Seriously. And he swung at a fucking low ball. Wtf.

And that fucking up at 1st is a douchebag. Melky was CLEARLY safe at 1st during the bunt. He is the same douche that made the horrendous Giambi call.

This is the biggest problem with the Yankees as I see it from the offensive side. They don't work counts. The teams back in the day would go deep into a count before putting a ball into play, making the opposing pitching work that much harder.

I see a LOT of the younger players swinging on the first and second pitch. Even Jeter hasn't been working it. That is unacceptable, especially after what Melky did yesterday.

Melky had a 1-0 count with the bases loaded after the opposing pitcher hit the previous batter, on an incredibly hot day. You GOTTA let him throw at least a few more pitches.

[Freitag]

Steve Nebraska, biatch!

Henry Rowengartner FTW.

[Knowledged_one]

This is the biggest problem with the Yankees as I see it from the offensive side. They don't work counts. The teams back in the day would go deep into a count before putting a ball into play, making the opposing pitching work that much harder.

I see a LOT of the younger players swinging on the first and second pitch. Even Jeter hasn't been working it. That is unacceptable, especially after what Melky did yesterday.

Melky had a 1-0 count with the bases loaded after the opposing pitcher hit the previous batter, on an incredibly hot day. You GOTTA let him throw at least a few more pitches.

What is the fixation on the temperature? Is it because you think the moisture on the ball from sweat will cause him to be wild?

And the Yankees are still medicore but Cano has raised his average to what .231?

[Kevin]

Henry Rowengartner FTW.

Bah! Could Henry hit like Babe and pitch like Sandy?

I THINK NOT!

And i love how the Yankee announcer happily say. Well, now that the weather is warmer, they are hitting again, thats good.

Err.. NOT ITS NOT.. Last time i checked, April-sometimes mid may and Oct is played in colder weather in most of the good team cities. Move every Yankee April-may and Oct games to Cali or Fla and we are set. Problem solved!

Hey Earl i'm starving, got any cold weather hitters in the back?

[TheGameHHH]

i love west coast games, im sure im in the minority on that one but something about them makes me happy. its probably just the novelty aspect

[Kevin]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHY DAMON, WHY?

He is gunna go 0-30 now that he shaved off his porno stache.

[Kevin]

How in the hell do you only score TWO run when the opposing pitcher gives you 6 fucking walks??

[TheGameHHH]

How in the hell do you only score TWO run when the opposing pitcher gives you 6 fucking walks??

Derek "Double Play" Jeter likes to help Dana out of jams when he lets up leadoff walks

[TheGameHHH]

The Yankees just don't look like they want to be playing baseball tonight, I'm shocked they're still winning this game.

[Kevin]

Derek has got to be almost under 270 at this point.

[Kevin]

Came in at 275 and is 0-3...

[TheGameHHH]

ugly win but ill take it

[Kevin]

Had an issue with Girardi taking out Wang with no one on 1 out in the 8th with 83 pitches. But maybe because of the heat, he was tired, who knows.

[A.J.]

Had an issue with Girardi taking out Wang

In public?

[Knowledged_one]

Had an issue with Girardi taking out Wang with no one on 1 out in the 8th with 83 pitches. But maybe because of the heat, he was tired, who knows.

If he were an ace they would have left him in

[Freitag]

What is the fixation on the temperature? Is it because you think the moisture on the ball from sweat will cause him to be wild?



The temperature can potentially throw off his concentration, which could in turn throw off his mechanics. He had already hit a batter, so the idea that his mechanics were off is plausible. Any extreme weather situation is a distraction to any player, but definitely a relief/closer pitcher, especially one who is not used to throwing in such a situation. (The majority of the time, they pitch at the tail end of a baseball game, around 9:30-10pm, when the weather has cooled considerably) Then again, Soria is from Mexico, so he might be used to extreme heat.

No matter what, heatwave or not, you want to make the pitcher work. And Melky didn't do that.

[TheMojoPin]

Seriously, why the fuck was this last game the lead story on Baseball Tonight?

[JPMNICK]

Seriously, why the fuck was this last game the lead story on Baseball Tonight?

cause the GIAMBINO returned to Oakland...

[TheMojoPin]

Unless he showed up with needles sticking out of him just like the good ol' days and high-fived Canseco, that's hardly news.

[JPMNICK]

Unless he showed up with needles sticking out of him just like the good ol' days and high-fived Canseco, that's hardly news.

it's the east coast biased media on ESPN, MAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN

i agree thought, it was a lackluster game between a .500 Yankee team and a who cares Oakland team

[TheMojoPin]

it's the east coast biased media on ESPN, MAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN

i agree thought, it was a lackluster game between a .500 Yankee team and a who cares Oakland team

Pretty much. If the Yanks are kicking ass or have an amazing game, yes, of course, it makes sense to lead off with them...but this? Yech.

[Knowledged_one]

Pretty much. If the Yanks are kicking ass or have an amazing game, yes, of course, it makes sense to lead off with them...but this? Yech.

the main story on Cold Pizza (or whatever the show is called now) two days ago was a preview of the Joba Chamberlain start, ESPN loves the Yankees and Sox its just that simple but thats because of the amount of people that tune in from those areas - Boston and NY and the East coast in general are very knowledgable about the sport of baseball

[Knowledged_one]

and all yankee hatred aside and even though they are mediocre

has anyone noticed that the entire AL East is above .500?

Seriously this division over the next few years is going to be crazy, the Rays have good young talent, the Jays have great pitching, the Orioles have great young pitchers and hitters in the minors and are a big bat away from being competitive, the Sox have great young talent and the yankees have arod, jeter, and what may be great young pitching

AL East baseball is going to be great to watch in the next few years

[TheMojoPin]

and all yankee hatred aside and even though they are mediocre

has anyone noticed that the entire AL East is above .500?

Seriously this division over the next few years is going to be crazy, the Rays have good young talent, the Jays have great pitching, the Orioles have great young pitchers and hitters in the minors and are a big bat away from being competitive, the Sox have great young talent and the yankees have arod, jeter, and what may be great young pitching

AL East baseball is going to be great to watch in the next few years

The Rays desperately need better pitching. They're not going to last this year because they're still giving up as many runs as they had before...they're just scoring more on top of them.

[Knowledged_one]

yeah they do need some pitching, i think they are banking on Garza getting a full year this year and developing into a better starter next year

If their ownership were to pony up some money and sign maybe a c.c. sabathia they could be kinda scary

[TheMojoPin]

yeah they do need some pitching, i think they are banking on Garza getting a full year this year and developing into a better starter next year

If their ownership were to pony up some money and sign maybe a c.c. sabathia they could be kinda scary

Fuck that noise. The Cubs better throw their entire farm system at the Indians for Sabathia this year and then drown him in Mark Cuban money.

[Knowledged_one]

its always nice to see the cubs on WGN - and they are on again on Thursday

[Kevin]

yeah they do need some pitching, i think they are banking on Garza getting a full year this year and developing into a better starter next year

If their ownership were to pony up some money and sign maybe a c.c. sabathia they could be kinda scary

Fuck that noise. The Cubs better throw their entire farm system at the Indians for Sabathia this year and then drown him in Mark Cuban money.

Anyone who signs CC to big money or even worse gives up a big package of prostpects for him, is retarded.

The man is like 350 and will not be a good pitcher for much longer. Hell look at his awful #s this year. He will always kill you in sept and oct like he did this past year. He will not have the stamina to pitch well that late into the season. Yankees let him off the hook many times with their inability to take advantage of RISP, and Boston murdered him. Anyone that gives him big money will be a rue the day.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone who signs CC to big money or even worse gives up a big package of prostpects for him, is retarded.

The man is like 350 and will not be a good pitcher for much longer. Hell look at his awful #s this year. He will always kill you in sept and oct like he did this past year. He will not have the stamina to pitch well that late into the season. Yankees let him off the hook many times with their inability to take advantage of RISP, and Boston murdered him. Anyone that gives him big money will be a rue the day.

One year he tanks at the end and that means he's "done?" That sounds incredibly similar to the stellar analysis that demonizes ARod for not hititng well in the postseason. And awful numbers this year? His first 4 games were bad. He's been fantastic since:

First 4 starts
12.2 IP, 15.63 ERA, 26 H, 22 ER, 11 BB, 7 K, .433/.514/.717 against

Last 10 starts
73.1 IP, 2.09 ERA, 63 H, 17 ER, 14 BB, 73 K, .235/.278/.336 against

His WHIP from his last 10 starts is nearly 1/3rd of what it was to begin the season.

THAT'S "awful?" Sorry, Kevin, but that's a very BDC-esque declaration on your part. Sabathia is one of the best aces in the game, and he's been pitching like it.

Best of all, it won't take a ton of prospects to get him. Like Santana, everyone knows he's gone from the Indians after this season no matter what, so he can likely be had for 2-3 good-great prospects.

[Kevin]

One year he tanks at the end and that means he's "done?" That sounds incredibly similar to the stellar analysis that demonizes ARod for not hititng well in the postseason. And awful numbers this year? His first 4 games were bad. He's been fantastic since:

First 4 starts
12.2 IP, 15.63 ERA, 26 H, 22 ER, 11 BB, 7 K, .433/.514/.717 against

Last 10 starts
73.1 IP, 2.09 ERA, 63 H, 17 ER, 14 BB, 73 K, .235/.278/.336 against

His WHIP from his last 10 starts is nearly 1/3rd of what it was to begin the season.

THAT'S "awful?" Sorry, Kevin, but that's a very BDC-esque declaration on your part. Sabathia is one of the best aces in the game, and he's been pitching like it.

Best of all, it won't take a ton of prospects to get him. Like Santana, everyone knows he's gone from the Indians after this season no matter what, so he can likely be had for 2-3 good-great prospects.

Cleveland is going to ask a ton for him. And i don't know. I do not like Sabathia. I am not saying he is 'done' never said it. I am just saying i do not want to him big money when he is already fat. What will he be when he gets that big money? Even worse.

[Knowledged_one]

Cleveland is going to ask a ton for him. And i don't know. I do not like Sabathia. I am not saying he is 'done' never said it. I am just saying i do not want to him big money when he is already fat. What will he be when he gets that big money? Even worse.

ahh, but you disagreed with me when i said the same about Cano, he got the money now hes got fat and happy

Sorry my friend you cant have it both ways

but i do agree that weight could be an issue for the guy as his career goes on as the weight cant be good for his knees and back which are essential for a pitcher

[TheMojoPin]

Cleveland is going to ask a ton for him. And i don't know. I do not like Sabathia. I am not saying he is 'done' never said it. I am just saying i do not want to him big money when he is already fat. What will he be when he gets that big money? Even worse.

They can ask all they want...they're not going to get a premium package when he's a FA at the end of this season, just like with what happened with Santana. He's a big guy, but he's only 27. You're likely to get at least 3-5 years of amazing pitching out of him. It's silly to assume he's just going to balloon up once he gets a big deal...how often does that happen with pitchers who have been as dominant and on top of their game as he has? Most of the bellybusters were busts early on and never-were's. Not going after Sabathia if you're a competing team this year would just be dumb.

[Kevin]

Unlike BDC.. I backtracked and did some reaserch.. And I stand corrected on his breaking down.

Three year avg stats 2005-07

Augest era is 2.48
Sept 2.30
His bad moths are july and june when his era are almost 5.

I guess he may just have had one awful playoffs.

So i apologize on talking before doing some reaserch.

Edit: and his post allstar break era is 3.08. And in the AL, those are quite impressive #s

[Knowledged_one]

Unlike BDC.. I backtracked and did some reaserch.. And I stand corrected on his breaking down.

Three year avg stats 2005-07

Augest era is 2.48
Sept 2.30
His bad moths are july and june when his era are almost 5.

I guess he may just have had one awful playoffs.

So i apologize on talking before doing some reaserch.

Edit: and his post allstar break era is 3.08. And in the AL, those are quite impressive #s

be honest you got that from peter abraham's blog didnt you

[Kevin]

be honest you got that from peter abraham's blog didnt you

Na, i read in another blog that he is way behind his avg of another one MEEEEEEELLION hits. So i pay no attention to him anymore.

[TheMojoPin]

That's crazy talk!

[Kevin]

I better stop all of this.. I am going to get accused of trying desperately to fit in again..


So..


FUCK YOU KO AND MOJO.. GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR THREAD!!!!!!

[Knowledged_one]

I better stop all of this.. I am going to get accused of trying desperately to fit in again..


So..


FUCK YOU KO AND MOJO.. GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR THREAD!!!!!!

aww come on

Still friends?

[Kevin]

aww come on

Still friends?

Maybe in other threads.. BUT NOT THIS ONE..



OUT!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

I iz in yer thread.

Going through yer stuffs.

[Kevin]

I shall now ignore all of you trolls.

IGNORE I SAY!

[Knowledged_one]

http://www.cyd.liu.se/~erifr750/GreasedUpDeafGuy.gif

Im touching on the candy

[Kevin]

http://www.chromasia.com/images/keep_out_b.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

you just dont fuck with the porno stache

[Kevin]

Sigh.. It must be nice to have a team hit with RISP.

[Kevin]

you just dont fuck with the porno stache

Except on the field.

[Doctor Z]

Not gonna make excuses for Rasner's meltdown here, but he was rolling right along until that pathetic error from Giambi. Something tells me he has another quick inning if he gets that out.

This is officially gay.

[TheGameHHH]

alright, i officially cant take this anymore im going to bed.......maybe one day this team will decide it wants to be better than .500

[Tenbatsuzen]

I shall now ignore all of you trolls.

IGNORE I SAY!

http://doubledumbassonyou.com/images/galacticinquisitor.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

i need to see some sort of stat with this because its got to be unreal, but anytime A-Rod has a runner in scoring position he starts the count either 0-2 or 1-2.

[TheMojoPin]

i need to see some sort of stat with this because its got to be unreal, but anytime A-Rod has a runner in scoring position he starts the count either 0-2 or 1-2.

Baseball Reference to the rescue! (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=00#situa-count) Not that exact stat, but it gives his numbers with various counts and guys on.

[Kevin]

Sigh.. Bidness as usual.

[Kevin]

Nice fielding again by Giambi...

[TheGameHHH]

at least it didnt result in 6 runs this time

[Kevin]

at least it didnt result in 6 runs this time

Almost 3..

And there goes your 0-2 count, Game.

[TheGameHHH]

Almost 3..

And there goes your 0-2 count, Game.

notice he did it next time up though

[Kevin]

notice he did it next time up though

Yep.

Good Ol Arod.

[TheGameHHH]

chances they go two games over .500 tomorrow? 7%

[Kevin]

chances they go two games over .500 tomorrow? 7%

I think Joba is gunna be at a 90 pitch Limit tomorrow. So who knows. Houston is a fucking Bandbox though.

[TheMojoPin]

Yep.

Good Ol Arod.

Damn, you guys are brutal. Ol' Clutch-Rod goes 1-2 with 2 walks and you talk like he tanked every AB in the game.

[foodcourtdruide]

Damn, you guys are brutal. Ol' Clutch-Rod goes 1-2 with 2 walks and you talk like he tanked every AB in the game.

And Joba Chamberlain will pitch 4.2 innings, give up 5 hits, 2 walks and 3 runs today and they'll act like he's the second coming of Jesus.

[TheMojoPin]

And Joba Chamberlain will pitch 4.2 innings, give up 5 hits, 2 walks and 3 runs today and they'll act like he's the second coming of Jesus.

Nah. Pretty much all of the regulars here sans one are wary of Joba the starter thus far, as they should be. He's got the stuff to theoretically eventually be an ace, but it's no sure thing. Some guys are just "doomed" to dominate out of the bullpen.

[foodcourtdruide]

Nah. Pretty much all of the regulars here sans one are wary of Joba the starter thus far, as they should be. He's got the stuff to theoretically eventually be an ace, but it's no sure thing. Some guys are just "doomed" to dominate out of the bullpen.

Yes, Cubs and Mets fans know the value of a theoretical future ace.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, Cubs and Mets fans know the value of a theoretical future ace.

We've won 3 simulated WS thanks to Prior's simulated seasons alone.

[foodcourtdruide]

We've won 3 simulated WS thanks to Prior's simulated seasons alone.

lol, I'm excited because in my simulated world, in 2015, for the first time ever 3 players from the same team will be eligable for the hall of fame, and may enter together. Anytime I hear the word "Pulsipher" I want to throw up.

[TheGameHHH]

Damn, you guys are brutal. Ol' Clutch-Rod goes 1-2 with 2 walks and you talk like he tanked every AB in the game.

no, its not like that......you need to watch this, i cant even describe it. every time the man gets up with somebody on base he starts his count either 0-2 or 1-2, its insane how often this happens.

[TheMojoPin]

The numbers I linked to on the previous page don't really jive with that since his numbers with 0-2 and 1-2 counts aren't very good (which is true for almost any hitter) but his numbers hitting with guys on base (ISP or otherwise) are very good, which suggests he traditionally doesn't get into very many 0-2 or 1-2 counts with guys on base.

[TheGameHHH]

The numbers I linked to on the previous page don't really jive with that since his numbers with 0-2 and 1-2 counts aren't very good (which is true for almost any hitter) but his numbers hitting with guys on base (ISP or otherwise) are very good, which suggests he traditionally doesn't get into very many 0-2 or 1-2 counts with guys on base.

just watch, dont look at stat sheets, watch.

[Knowledged_one]

So is anyone ready to admit yet that Cano wont be hitting anywhere near .310 this year?

[JPMNICK]

So is anyone ready to admit yet that Cano wont be hitting anywhere near .310 this year?

i do not know what happened to him. he must be hurt., he hit like .450 in spring training

[TheMojoPin]

just watch, dont look at stat sheets, watch.

That only makes sense if the stats are completely made up.

[TheGameHHH]

That only makes sense if the stats are completely made up.

im not saying that, im just saying watch a game

[Kevin]

So is anyone ready to admit yet that Cano wont be hitting anywhere near .310 this year?

Cano was hitting 230 as far as mid July last year. Not saying he will do it, but becareful. He can make you look really stupid this year. But i do agree, he has been brutal thus far.

just watch, dont look at stat sheets, watch.

The numbers I linked to on the previous page don't really jive with that since his numbers with 0-2 and 1-2 counts aren't very good (which is true for almost any hitter) but his numbers hitting with guys on base (ISP or otherwise) are very good, which suggests he traditionally doesn't get into very many 0-2 or 1-2 counts with guys on base.

I gotta agree with Game here Mojo. Stats do not tell the story with Arod. You really have to watch the game day in and day out. If he had signed with the Cubs. You would pull your hair out with the enigma Arod is.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm sorry, but "just watch the game" is the asbsolute worst argument against statistical analysis. We're only human. We cannot keep track of every single AB, variable and situation simply by watching and remembering. If the Cubs had ARod, I'd be estatic that he's having a season right in line with his career numbers establishing him as one of the best players in the history of the game:

Career OBP/SLG/AVG:

389 .578 .306

So far this season:

.395 .575 .316

Even the hinky "clutch analysis" reflect an incredibly valuable player. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=00#situa-clutc)

ARod is, and it's not even close, the most valuable offensive player on the Yankees right now and one of the best the game has ever seen. Yes, his numbers aren't good with 1-2 and 0-2 counts...most hitters have bad numbers in those counts...so then it's a simple conclusion that if he was almost always getting into those counts, even just this year, his numbers would suffer greatly. They aren't, thus, he doesn't. "Watch the game," again, is only more accurate here if the stats are completely made up.

[Knowledged_one]

I'm sorry, but "just watch the game" is the asbsolute worst argument against statistical analysis. We're only human. We cannot keep track of every single AB, variable and situation simply by watching and remembering. If the Cubs had ARod, I'd be estatic that he's having a season right in line with his career numbers establishing him as one of the best players in the history of the game:

Career OBP/SLG/AVG:

389 .578 .306

So far this season:

.395 .575 .316

Even the hinky "clutch analysis" reflect an incredibly valuable player. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=00#situa-clutc)

ARod is, and it's not even close, the most valuable offensive player on the Yankees right now and one of the best the game has ever seen. Yes, his numbers aren't good with 1-2 and 0-2 counts...most hitters have bad numbers in those counts...so then it's a simple conclusion that if he was almost always getting into those counts, even just this year, his numbers would suffer greatly. They aren't, thus, he doesn't. "Watch the game," again, is only more accurate here if the stats are completely made up.

75% of stats can be proven to be true 50% of the people know that

[TheGameHHH]

I'm sorry, but "just watch the game" is the asbsolute worst argument against statistical analysis. We're only human. We cannot keep track of every single AB, variable and situation simply by watching and remembering. If the Cubs had ARod, I'd be estatic that he's having a season right in line with his career numbers establishing him as one of the best players in the history of the game:

Career OBP/SLG/AVG:

389 .578 .306

So far this season:

.395 .575 .316

Even the hinky "clutch analysis" reflect an incredibly valuable player. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=00#situa-clutc)

ARod is, and it's not even close, the most valuable offensive player on the Yankees right now and one of the best the game has ever seen. Yes, his numbers aren't good with 1-2 and 0-2 counts...most hitters have bad numbers in those counts...so then it's a simple conclusion that if he was almost always getting into those counts, even just this year, his numbers would suffer greatly. They aren't, thus, he doesn't. "Watch the game," again, is only more accurate here if the stats are completely made up.

im not saying any of that though, im not saying hes bad, im not saying he sucks, im not saying he doesnt produce.......none of that. all im saying is im baffled at how many times he comes up with RISP and starts off his at-bat 0-2 or 1-2. thats something stats dont show you.