2009 New York Yankees Season Discussion

[TheMojoPin]

suck faggots hispanic hockey now

Sounds about right.

[Bossanova]

the Joba thing is a win win. If he turns into a great sp then great, if he doesn't, its not like you can't make him your closer when Mo goes. Its not like he will suck as a closer just because he sucked as a starter. It would be stupid not to try him out as a SP.

Trust me, as much as I dont care about him. I think you have to at least try him out.

[BoondockSaint]

Joba should come in from the bullpen riding a rascal.

[Bossanova]

Joba should come in from the bullpen riding a rascal.

I think he deserves the helicopter like Steve Nebraska

[Kevin]

I think he deserves the helicopter like Steve Nebraska

Although he does deserve the heli, i like the rascal idea too.

[Bossanova]

Although he does deserve the heli, i like the rascal idea too.

Does he have entrance music?

[Kevin]

Does he have entrance music?

I don't think so.

Since he is an American Indian, i propose Hogans Real American.

Come on, Yankee stadium would go nuts.

[BoondockSaint]

I don't think so.

Since he is an American Indian, i propose Hogans Real American.

Come on, Yankee stadium would go nuts.

Only if they show the video. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=GGuhZvO1DKg)

[Kevin]

Only if they show the video. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=GGuhZvO1DKg)

Just photoshop Joba's face on everything.

[BoondockSaint]

Just photoshop Joba's face on everything.

Big Joba Studd?

[Tenbatsuzen]

There is only one entrance that befits JOBA~!!!!~!

with... DA THEME~!

and... DA PYRO~!


THE ENTRANCE OF...

DA MAN~!

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[Bulldogcakes]

Joba will be in the rotation well before that. He'll throw 55 on Wednesday, and then probably throw 75 four days later. His first start may be during the KC series.

I don't know. They're not going to rush him or put him on a set schedule. They have to pick their spots to get him his work in. I LOVE what Girardi's doing, letting him stretch out on the big league level. Both for his own development and so the team still has some use of him. Very creative.

I doubt he'll be used when Pettite, Wang or Rasner are pitching. All 3 tend to go deep into games. So that leaves the Kennedy and Moose starts. Chances are he'll get his work in, but its also very possible there will be times he won't. First priority is to win games.

[BoondockSaint]

I don't know. They're not going to rush him or put him on a set schedule. They have to pick their spots to get him his work in. I LOVE what Girardi's doing, letting him stretch out on the big league level. Both for his own development and so the team still has some use of him. Very creative.

I doubt he'll be used when Pettite, Wang or Rasner are pitching. All 3 tend to go deep into games. So that leaves the Kennedy and Moose starts. Chances are he'll get his work in, but its also very possible there will be times he won't. First priority is to win games.

Do you honestly believe that he, and he alone, decided to do that?

[Bulldogcakes]

Folks, what you're witnessing here is Loss #1 as a result of Joba being converted to a starter. Get used to it.

Thanks a lot, Hank.

And if Joba becomes the power arm ace we currently lack will Hank get credit the for his wins? Since he gets the blame?

This has been the plan since day 1. Its not just about this year, its about the long term future of the franchise. He has to get around 150 innings in this year in order to make him a full time 180-200 inning starter next year. If he stayed in the bullpen, you can't do that without increased risk of injury. You can't make a 22 year old go from 80 IP to 200 overnight. Thats BEGGING for a torn labrum.

[Bulldogcakes]

Do you honestly believe that he, and he alone, decided to do that?

I believe that part was his idea, yes. The "plan" for Joba was an organizational one, but stretching him out on the big league level sounds very Girardi to me. Most teams would just send him down to AAA or extended spring training. This is the manager who started Ian Kennedy in the 5th inning because of a bad weather forecast in KC. He changes lineups constantly. He likes getting creative with his resources.

If you think Hank, Hal or Brian Cashman came up with it, then you don't follow this team.

[BoondockSaint]

I believe that part was his idea, yes. The "plan" for Joba was an organizational one, but stretching him out on the big league level sounds very Girardi to me. Most teams would just send him down to AAA or extended spring training. This is the manager who started Ian Kennedy in the 5th inning because of a bad weather forecast in KC. He changes lineups constantly. He likes getting creative with his resources.

Oh, I didn't know it sounded very Girardi to you. Someone should alert Cashmen and Hank because if they thought different then it wouldn't be happening.

[Bulldogcakes]

Oh, I didn't know it sounded very Girardi to you. Someone should alert Cashmen and Hank because if they thought different then it wouldn't be happening.

So bitter. Don't worry Boonie, the Mets will win a game eventually.

[Knowledged_one]

I believe that part was his idea, yes. The "plan" for Joba was an organizational one, but stretching him out on the big league level sounds very Girardi to me. Most teams would just send him down to AAA or extended spring training. This is the manager who started Ian Kennedy in the 5th inning because of a bad weather forecast in KC. He changes lineups constantly. He likes getting creative with his resources.

If you think Hank, Hal or Brian Cashman came up with it, then you don't follow this team.

Man Yankee Kool-Aid must be really good to drink

[BoondockSaint]

So bitter. Don't worry Boonie, the Mets will win a game eventually.

You're right, me thinking that the manager doesn't call the shots on what is considered the Yankees franchise pitcher is me being bitter.

[Knowledged_one]

You're right, me thinking that the manager doesn't call the shots on what is considered the Yankees franchise pitcher is me being bitter.

Well he is the fair weather fan who said that he absolutely hates Ian Kennedy to saying that Ian Kennedy is a great pitcher who shows attitude in the minors which he likes, to calling Ian Kennedy a piece of shit to saying Ian Kennedy pitches great and hes effective

[Bulldogcakes]

Well he is the fair weather fan who said that he absolutely hates Ian Kennedy to saying that Ian Kennedy is a great pitcher who shows attitude in the minors which he likes, to calling Ian Kennedy a piece of shit to saying Ian Kennedy pitches great and hes effective

I post here every day. Not just after wins, like you.

And rookie pitchers have their ups and downs. I guess according to you, I shouldn't say anything when they perform poorly. Now who's the Kool Aid drinker?

[Knowledged_one]

I post here every day. Not just after wins, like you.

And rookie pitchers have their ups and downs. I guess according to you, I shouldn't say anything when they perform poorly. Now who's the Kool Aid drinker?

You are fair weather in regards to Ian Kennedy which was the subject of my post, and im not a Yankee fan so no i dont post in this thread everyday i post in the Orioles thread unlike you i can speak intelligently about baseball in general and about many teams and have forgotten more about baseball then you will ever know

And re-read your own post you basically make my point about being a fair weather fan. Kevin at least can recognize the trials that young pitchers will go through, you just call them a piece of shit. You are so beyond clueless its scary

[Kevin]

Anyone who expects 21 year old sps with non plus stuff to automatically come in and not struggle is a total moron. You can not say they suck even if they pitch awful. Thats what happens. Hell even pitchers with plus stuff like Felix Hernandez struggled 19-23, and he still isn't great. Yankees have to make their minds. Do they want semi rebuild and wait for Hughes and Kennedy, Joba and others, or not. You can't have them both. Hughes and Kennedy do not have plus stuff. I keep hearing about Hughes 95mph fastball, but i have not seen it. Until i do, he does not have plus stuff. Some pitchers go til 24 25 until they really mature. Bedard took til 26 27 to really mature. Too much pressure is being put on these young kids, and it will hurt their growth. either be patient and let them have growing pains or keep them in the minors until like 23.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone who expects 21 year old sps with non plus stuff to automatically come in and not struggle is a total moron. You can not say they suck even if they pitch awful. Thats what happens. Hell even pitchers with plus stuff like Felix Hernandez struggled 19-23, and he still isn't great. Yankees have to make their minds. Do they want semi rebuild and wait for Hughes and Kennedy, Joba and others, or not. You can't have them both. Hughes and Kennedy do not have plus stuff. I keep hearing about Hughes 95mph fastball, but i have not seen it. Until i do, he does not have plus stuff. Some pitchers go til 24 25 until they really mature. Bedard took til 26 27 to really mature. Too much pressure is being put on these young kids, and it will hurt their growth. either be patient and let them have growing pains or keep them in the minors until like 23.

Probem is, too many baseball fans, analysts and even management expects highly touted prospects to come up and do well or better right away, and if not, there's atomatically "something wrong with them." I have no idea where the idea that most prospects need time to adjust to MLB play came from, but people seem to always expect instant superstars.

Love your new sig, Kev. Those guys are fucking hysterical.

"WAR!!!!"

[Kevin]

Probem is, too many baseball fans, analysts and even management expects highly touted prospects to come up and do well or better right away, and if not, there's atomatically "something wrong with them." I have no idea where the idea that most prospects need time to adjust to MLB play came from, but people seem to always expect instant superstars.

Love your new sig, Kev. Those guys are fucking hysterical.

"WAR!!!!"

Mojo,How old was Big Z Wood and Prior when came up? I think Prior was 22 right?

Yea, those guys rule.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't know. They're not going to rush him or put him on a set schedule. They have to pick their spots to get him his work in..

No offense, but considering how much you read up on the Yankees, you are really don't have a firm handle on how this works.

The Yankees have said they are going to put Joba out for 55 pitches on Wednesday, so they are stretching him out by 10-15 pitches every time he goes out now. So 55 on Wednesday (5/28), 65-70 the next time he goes out (6/1, 6/2).

The next time he throws, if they want to stretch him, that would probably be equivalent of a start. They are gonna want to keep him at 85-95 pitches per start, and you can't send a middle reliever in to a game with a guarantee to throw 80 pitches.

The said it was a two to three week stretching process depending on how Joba felt. That puts him right in the KC series.

[Knowledged_one]

Anyone who expects 21 year old sps with non plus stuff to automatically come in and not struggle is a total moron. You can not say they suck even if they pitch awful. Thats what happens. Hell even pitchers with plus stuff like Felix Hernandez struggled 19-23, and he still isn't great. Yankees have to make their minds. Do they want semi rebuild and wait for Hughes and Kennedy, Joba and others, or not. You can't have them both. Hughes and Kennedy do not have plus stuff. I keep hearing about Hughes 95mph fastball, but i have not seen it. Until i do, he does not have plus stuff. Some pitchers go til 24 25 until they really mature. Bedard took til 26 27 to really mature. Too much pressure is being put on these young kids, and it will hurt their growth. either be patient and let them have growing pains or keep them in the minors until like 23.

Just to add a few more to that list Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson took years to finally get it

And Daniel Cabrera this year would be a perfect example he led the majors in walks and losses last year and look at his numbers this year, excluding sundays game he had walked 1 batter in 3 starts

It takes a while, but to waffle on guys smply because they pitch poorly one night is as you say ludicrous and thats what my point was

As i said Kevin you above most Yankee fans get it and know that this years team may not be like the old yankee teams as most teams need to rebuild at some point

I just really hope the Orioles outbid the Yanks and Mets to get Texieria

[Kevin]

Just to add a few more to that list Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson took years to finally get it

And Daniel Cabrera this year would be a perfect example he led the majors in walks and losses last year and look at his numbers this year, excluding sundays game he had walked 1 batter in 3 starts

It takes a while, but to waffle on guys smply because they pitch poorly one night is as you say ludicrous and thats what my point was

As i said Kevin you above most Yankee fans get it and know that this years team may not be like the old yankee teams as most teams need to rebuild at some point

I just really hope the Orioles outbid the Yanks and Mets to get Texieria

Randy was the worst he had no idea where the ball was going when it left his hand. People would be afraid to hit against him.

[Knowledged_one]

the biggest problem i see facing Chambderlain is he pitches a lot on emotion and gets way to pumped up to be an effective starter

IMO, they should treat Chamberlain like they did Rivera when he came up let him pitch the 7th and 8th and then let him take over for Rivera like Rivera did with Wettland

People who dont think middle relief is more important then starters should take a look at how badly the orioles have been the last few years when the starters would go 6 or 7 and the bullpen would blow it, an effective set up man is key look how well J. Johnson has been for the Orioles this eyar

[Kevin]

the biggest problem i see facing Chambderlain is he pitches a lot on emotion and gets way to pumped up to be an effective starter

IMO, they should treat Chamberlain like they did Rivera when he came up let him pitch the 7th and 8th and then let him take over for Rivera like Rivera did with Wettland

People who dont think middle relief is more important then starters should take a look at how badly the orioles have been the last few years when the starters would go 6 or 7 and the bullpen would blow it, an effective set up man is key look how well J. Johnson has been for the Orioles this eyar

Well, there have been alot of sp who are emotional and do well. Zambrano, Beckett to name a few.

The prob here is Mo has 3 years including this year on his deal. You really want to waste a guy like Joba in the 8th for including last year, 3+ years? I say start him, give him til Mo is done. If he is an ace, then leave him, if not, then move him to closer. But he has to be as good a sp as he would be as a closer to justify keeping him as a sp. Not a 3 or even a 2. He is an ace closer.

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo,How old was Big Z Wood and Prior when came up? I think Prior was 22 right?

Yea, those guys rule.

Prior was such an exception to the rule in that he basically came out of the gates dealing. Wood, to a degree, was the same way. Zambrano, however, had a lot of AWFUL outings, from the bullpen and as a starter, before he clicked.

[Bulldogcakes]

People who dont think middle relief is more important then starters should take a look at how badly the orioles have been the last few years when the starters would go 6 or 7 and the bullpen would blow it, an effective set up man is key look how well J. Johnson has been for the Orioles this eyar

Which is why top middle relievers earn 5-6 mil per year, and top starters earn 20-22 mil per year. Because KO knows more Baseball than everyone else, including the GM's who run Baseball teams for a living.

Oh and BTW-those 200 innings the starters throw mean less than the 70 the middle relievers throw. Its right there in the Baseball rule book. Page 52, section 3, rule F. Look it up.

[Kevin]

Prior was such an exception to the rule in that he basically came out of the gates dealing. Wood, to a degree, was the same way. Zambrano, however, had a lot of AWFUL outings, from the bullpen and as a starter, before he clicked.

Yea, you have those, but they are very rare. And they had plus stuff ,95+ ,so they were able to do it.

[Knowledged_one]

Which is why top middle relievers earn 5-6 mil per year, and top starters earn 20-22 mil per year. Because KO knows more Baseball than everyone else, including the GM's who run Baseball teams for a living.

Oh and BTW-those 200 innings the starters throw mean less than the 70 the middle relievers throw. Its right there in the Baseball rule book. Page 52, section 3, rule F. Look it up.

Not more then everyone else just more then you, and i misspoke an effective middle reliever is worth as much as a starter

And yeah starters make more money because they pitch more innings surely you didnt need me to tell you that did you

I mean we all know you know very little about baseball including your beloved Yankees but you didnt really need me to tell you that did you.

Why dont you ask Mojo how valuable Carlos Marmol is to the Cubs

And most starters dont make 20 to 22 million you dullard only the top aces make that much and more often then not those guys never live up to their contracts

I mean seriously are you really this stupid or you just play an idiot on messageboards?

[Kevin]

Not more then everyone else just more then you, and i misspoke an effective middle reliever is worth as much as a starter

And yeah starters make more money because they pitch more innings surely you didnt need me to tell you that did you

I mean we all know you know very little about baseball including your beloved Yankees but you didnt really need me to tell you that did you.

Why dont you ask Mojo how valuable Carlos Marmol is to the Cubs

And most starters dont make 20 to 22 million you dullard only the top aces make that much and more often then not those guys never live up to their contracts

I mean seriously are you really this stupid or you just play an idiot on messageboards?

They are both very important, but you still take the starter. Sox won last year because they had that horse beckett to win game 5 for them and give them life. They only difference between the Yanks and Sox last year was they had Beckett as an ace, a true ace. And we had Wang, who is a 2 at best.

[Knowledged_one]

They are both very important, but you still take the ace starter.

Ok here is the thing, you have one ace at 20 million who pitches every 5th day right, with that same money you can sign 3 top of the line middle relief guys for the 20 million wouldnt you agree

In the end for that money who is going to be more valuable to your roster, the once every 5th day guy, or 3 guys that will pitch possibly 9 times in that same period?

[Kevin]

Ok here is the thing, you have one ace at 20 million who pitches every 5th day right, with that same money you can sign 3 top of the line middle relief guys for the 20 million wouldnt you agree

In the end for that money who is going to be more valuable to your roster, the once every 5th day guy, or 3 guys that will pitch possibly 9 times in that same period?

It rings true if you have that Ace on your team. Prob is, the Yanks do not. And you can't really get one unless you give up an entire farm. They rarely are allowed to be FA anymore. teams either keep em, or trade them a year early for alot, and the the team that gets him signs him long term. You have to build your own aces now. Joba has ace stuff. You have to see if it translates. You can not win without one.

[Tenbatsuzen]

the biggest problem i see facing Chambderlain is he pitches a lot on emotion and gets way to pumped up to be an effective starter

IMO, they should treat Chamberlain like they did Rivera when he came up let him pitch the 7th and 8th and then let him take over for Rivera like Rivera did with Wettland

People who dont think middle relief is more important then starters should take a look at how badly the orioles have been the last few years when the starters would go 6 or 7 and the bullpen would blow it, an effective set up man is key look how well J. Johnson has been for the Orioles this eyar

Arrrgh.

Joba can go back to being a reliever/closer if the starting thing doesn't work out. He was groomed as a starter. This isn't like uncharted territory for him.

Remember, the Yankees used Mo as a starter and that failed miserably. So if Joba flames out as a starter, he then does become the heir apparent to Mo.

[BoondockSaint]

Arrrgh.

Joba can go back to being a reliever/closer if the starting thing doesn't work out. He was groomed as a starter. This isn't like uncharted territory for him.

Remember, the Yankees used Mo as a starter and that failed miserably. So if Joba flames out as a starter, he then does become the heir apparent to Mo.


Hank thinks they should doo it in the same game. Joba goes the first 5 then the last 2.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hank thinks they should doo it in the same game. Joba goes the first 5 then the last 2.

What, with the Bobby Valentine disguise kit?

FACE.

[Kevin]

Hank thinks they should doo it in the same game. Joba goes the first 5 then the last 2.

Exactly!

[Bulldogcakes]

Prior was such an exception to the rule in that he basically came out of the gates dealing. Wood, to a degree, was the same way. Zambrano, however, had a lot of AWFUL outings, from the bullpen and as a starter, before he clicked.

So . . . you mean to tell me it can go either way?


Dontrelle Willis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willido03.shtml)

Huston Street (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7468)

Chien-Ming Wang (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml)

Mike Mussina (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mussimi01.shtml) (non plus stuff BTW)

Jonathan Papelbon (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/papeljo01.shtml)

Barry Zito (again, non plus stuff) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zitoba01.shtml)

Hideki Okajima (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/okajihi01.shtml) Did I mention Non plus?

Kerry Wood (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodke02.shtml)

Kei Igawa (OK, just kidding)

Justin Verlander (http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/verlaju01.shtml)

Dwight Gooden (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/goodedw01.shtml)

Mark Prior (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/priorma01.shtml)

K-Rod (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrifr03.shtml)

Brandon Webb
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/webbbr01.shtml)


Never happens.

[BoondockSaint]

What, with the Bobby Valentine disguise kit?

FACE.


FACE?

From the guy who sticks his head into the Yankee thread once a week? No, I don't think so.

[Kevin]

Arrrgh.

Joba can go back to being a reliever/closer if the starting thing doesn't work out. He was groomed as a starter. This isn't like uncharted territory for him.

Remember, the Yankees used Mo as a starter and that failed miserably. So if Joba flames out as a starter, he then does become the heir apparent to Mo.

Yea, exactly what i have been saying.

Last 8 WS champs
Yanks. Clemens Pettite
Dbacks not 1 but 2 aces
Angels. Washburn 18-5 3.15 era ace thats year
Marlins. Becket Willis and others
Sox Shilling
Wsox Garland Contreras Buhrle, all pitching like aces.
Cards. Carpenter, Ace
Sox again Beckett.

You have to have at least that one horse that can carry you to win a World series. Wang is not that guy.

[Kevin]

So . . . you mean to tell me it can go either way?


Dontrelle Willis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willido03.shtml)

Huston Street (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7468)

Chien-Ming Wang (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml)

Mike Mussina (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mussimi01.shtml) (non plus stuff BTW)

Jonathan Papelbon (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/papeljo01.shtml)

Barry Zito (again, non plus stuff) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zitoba01.shtml)

Hideki Okajima (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/okajihi01.shtml) Did I mention Non plus?

Kerry Wood (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodke02.shtml)

Kei Igawa (OK, just kidding)

Justin Verlander (http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/verlaju01.shtml)

Dwight Gooden (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/goodedw01.shtml)

Mark Prior (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/priorma01.shtml)

K-Rod (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrifr03.shtml)

Brandon Webb
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/webbbr01.shtml)


Never happens.

Mussina could get it up there at 94 when he was at his best. With his other stuff that is plus stuff. He struck out 16 guys in the playoffs.

[Kevin]

And you quoting Mojo for the list makes no sense. Mojo never argued on rather to keep Joba in the pen or start. He just said you should be patient with the pitchers.

[Bulldogcakes]

You have to have at least that one horse that can carry you to win a World series. Wang is not that guy.

You don't know what Wang is and neither do I. He has 2 good post season outings and 2 bad ones (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml)and you've determined who he is as a pitcher. Based on 4 outings.

And your premise is wrong as well. The 2002 Angels didn't have a big time ace, the 2006 Cardinals won without a big time ace. The 1990's Braves had THREE aces and couldn't get past the 1st round some years. Its not that simple.

[TheMojoPin]

So . . . you mean to tell me it can go either way?


Dontrelle Willis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willido03.shtml)

Huston Street (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7468)

Chien-Ming Wang (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml)

Mike Mussina (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mussimi01.shtml) (non plus stuff BTW)

Jonathan Papelbon (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/papeljo01.shtml)

Barry Zito (again, non plus stuff) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zitoba01.shtml)

Hideki Okajima (http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/okajihi01.shtml) Did I mention Non plus?

Kerry Wood (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodke02.shtml)

Kei Igawa (OK, just kidding)

Justin Verlander (http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/verlaju01.shtml)

Dwight Gooden (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/goodedw01.shtml)

Mark Prior (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/priorma01.shtml)

K-Rod (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrifr03.shtml)

Brandon Webb
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/webbbr01.shtml)


Never happens.

Show me where I said it never happens. Quote exactly where I said NO proespcts come out of the gate in the MLB performing up to par or better. I didn't. What I DID say was that those prospects are in the vast minority compared to how many promising or "sure thing" prospects are touted every season that end up being average or mediocre or busts. It's absurd to apply the type of examples you just listed as if they should justify expectations that any or even most highly touted prospects should be able to step up at the MLB level right away. Expecting that is just stupid baseball.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Plus Wang's fourth outing was because of the pitching management genius that is Joe Torre, who rushed him out on very short rest, which is universally hailed as a VERY BAD IDEA.

[Kevin]

You don't know what Wang is and neither do I. He has 2 good post season outings and 2 bad ones (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml)and you've determined who he is as a pitcher. Based on 4 outings.

And your premise is wrong as well. The 2002 Angels didn't have a big time ace, the 2006 Cardinals won without a big time ace. The 1990's Braves had THREE aces and couldn't get past the 1st round some years. Its not that simple.

Carpenter was an ace. And Washburn had an ace year.

Braves never had a great closer, thats why they never won more than 1.

[Kevin]

And as for Wang. You can not be an ace when if 1 pitch does not work, you are dead.

[sailor]

Ok here is the thing, you have one ace at 20 million who pitches every 5th day right, with that same money you can sign 3 top of the line middle relief guys for the 20 million wouldnt you agree

In the end for that money who is going to be more valuable to your roster, the once every 5th day guy, or 3 guys that will pitch possibly 9 times in that same period?

even if that were true, you're comparing a starter with three relievers, not just one. even if you convince people the three relievers is better it doesn't win the argument over where joba should go.

[TheMojoPin]

People who dont think middle relief is more important then starters

I'm sorry, this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in this forum. Of course starters are the most important pitchers on a team. Trying to stack up middle relief as being of qual importance is absurd. Yes, you need to balance it out, but you NEVER make relief pitching a prioroty over starting pitching unless your starting rotation is fantastic.

[Bulldogcakes]

Plus Wang's fourth outing was because of the pitching management genius that is Joe Torre, who rushed him out on very short rest, which is universally hailed as a VERY BAD IDEA.

Bingo. From the manager so many credited with "not panicking". Take another look at the 1996 WS when they replay it on YES. Joe Cool practically wet his pants in the dugout.

And the first start last year was on the road, where he was horrible all year. Way to manage your resources, Joe. Why not have him play Left Field while were at it? Since putting him in his best spot to succeed isn't a factor.

[Kevin]

Bingo. From the manager so many credited with "not panicking". Take another look at the 1996 WS when they replay it on YES. Joe Cool practically wet his pants in the dugout.

And the first start last year was on the road, where he was horrible all year. Way to manage your resources, Joe. Why not have him play Left Field while were at it? Since putting him in his best spot to succeed isn't a factor.

So now we are supposed to have our "ace" be catered to. You are not getting the premise of an ace. HE PITCHES ANYWHERE ANY TIME, without it bothering him. If you have to cater to the man, by starting him at home, then he is no ace. As much as i hate Beckett and Schilling. You give them the ball anywhere at any time, and they will be money.

And for the love of GOD. Let the Torre thing go. He is in LA now, leave him be.

[BoondockSaint]

So now we are supposed to have our "ace" be catered to. You are not getting the premise of an ace. HE PITCHES ANYWHERE ANY TIME, without it bothering him. If you have to cater to the man, by starting him at home, then he is no ace. As much as i hate Beckett and Schilling. You give them the ball anywhere at any time, and they will be money.

And for the love of GOD. Let the Torre thing go. He is in LA now, leave him be.

Oh my goodness gracious....

[Bulldogcakes]

And Washburn had an ace year.


I thought according to you, in order to be an "Ace" you have to be a big strikeout pitcher. Which is why Wang is not an "Ace" in your book.

Washburn has NEVER been a big strikeout pitcher (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5995). Not in 2002, not ever.

[Kevin]

I thought according to you, in order to be an "Ace" you have to be a big strikeout pitcher. Which is why Wang is not an "Ace" in your book.

Washburn has NEVER been a big strikeout pitcher (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5995). Not in 2002, not ever.

ahem..

HE IS NOT A FUCKING ACE BECAUSE ALL HE HAS IS ONE FUCKING PITCH. IF HIS SINKER DOES NOT SINK, HE IS DEAD!

It has nothing to do with fucking K's. It has to do with your other pitches being good enough when where one does not work, they other one lets you grind it out..

[BoondockSaint]

I thought according to you, in order to be an "Ace" you have to be a big strikeout pitcher. Which is why Wang is not an "Ace" in your book.

Washburn has NEVER been a big strikeout pitcher (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5995). Not in 2002, not ever.


FACE!

[K.C.]

HE IS NOT A FUCKING ACE BECAUSE ALL HE HAS IS ONE FUCKING PITCH. IF HIS SINKER DOES NOT SINK, HE IS DEAD!


Agreed.

There's only one ace on the Yankees and it's this guy:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/adam_hofstetter/08/30/uncommon.sense/p1_pavano.jpg


Worth.Every.Penny.

[Kevin]

Washburn that year was 18-6 with a 3.19 era. That is an ace year. Never said he was an ace, just that he had an ace year.

[BoondockSaint]

I thought according to you, in order to be an "Ace" you have to be a big strikeout pitcher. Which is why Wang is not an "Ace" in your book.

Washburn has NEVER been a big strikeout pitcher (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5995). Not in 2002, not ever.

Washburn that year was 18-6 with a 3.19 era. That is an ace year. Never said he was an ace, just that he had an ace year.


FACE 2 TIMES!!

[Bulldogcakes]

ahem..

HE IS NOT A FUCKING ACE BECAUSE ALL HE HAS IS ONE FUCKING PITCH. IF HIS SINKER DOES NOT SINK, HE IS DEAD!

It has nothing to do with fucking K's. It has to do with your other pitches being good enough when where one does not work, they other one lets you grind it out..

Scouting Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Ming_Wang)



A finesse pitcher with a power pitcher's velocity, Wang throws a sinker and four-seam fastball combination, along with a slider, changeup, and splitter. His four-seam fastball usually rests between 94-96 mph with some lateral movement and tops out at around 98 mph. His sinker, which is responsible for his elevation to ace status, has very impressive late, downward, and lateral movement through the zone and is also faster than most, sitting in the 91-94 mph range. His strikeout pitch is a sharp developing slider that closely resembles the fastball coming out of his hand, thus getting batters to swing ahead of the pitch. Wang also throws a decent split-finger fastball, though he only uses the pitch sparsely when in need of a strikeout or double play.

I swear to God I wonder if you actually watch the games sometimes.

Anything else you want to be wrong about tonight?

[Kevin]

Scouting Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Ming_Wang)



I swear to God I wonder if you actually watch the games sometimes.

Anything else you want to be wrong about tonight?

You really are an idiot.

What is the main reason everyone gives when he has stinkers. HIS SINKERS ARE UP! A ND WHEN he has great games, he gets like 50 ground balls.

Fuck scouting reports up their asses. I believe what i see. Wangs 4 seem is as straight as farnsworth and gets bombed his other pitchers are mediocre at best.

[BoondockSaint]

wang is great

until the playoffs.

[TheGameHHH]

All this in-fighting is making Game sad. Can't we all just be best friends and root for the Yanks?

[BoondockSaint]

All this in-fighting is making Game sad. Can't we all just be best friends and root for the Yanks?

I try too but nobody listens.

[Kevin]

I try too but nobody listens.

Boony is the biggest Yankee fan there is.

[K.C.]

All this in-fighting is making Game sad. Can't we all just be best friends and root for the Yanks?

Even Hank and Hal are rooting for the Rays now...the bandwagon is off and running.

[TheGameHHH]

I try too but nobody listens.

then its just us Boondock, we're gonna have to be best friends and root for the Yanks together. You think Ryan Church would be cool with that?

[Kevin]

Even Hank and Hal are rooting for the Rays now...the bandwagon is off and running.

Pretty soon Hank is gunna start making comments that Kazmir should be more than a 5 inning pitcher with the money they are paying him.

[BoondockSaint]

then its just us Boondock, we're gonna have to be best friends and root for the Yanks together. You think Ryan Church would be cool with that?

I heard he changed his name to Ryan Mosque.

[Kevin]

I heard he changed his name to Ryan Mosque.

Ryan Synagogue even. Oh i forgot, he hates jews.

[K.C.]

Pretty soon Hank is gunna start making comments that Kazmir should be more than a 5 inning pitcher with the money they are paying him.

Apparently Hank's not pleased and ready to unload on the team through the media, because only an IDIOT would keep man with the talents of Troy Percival in the bullpen.

[BoondockSaint]

Ryan Synagogue even. Oh i forgot, he hates jews.

I kneel at the altar of The Franchise. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd3DBtIU9U)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kevin - the whole crux of your ace/not ace argument is using Wang's postseason stats. What I'm pointing out is that the post-season stats are very skewed because of that fourth start. I'm not bashing Torre, but he threw Wang out there on very short rest. And unless you name is Schilling or Johnson and it's 2001, THAT IS A VERY BAD IDEA.

I'm not saying Wang is an ace, but I am saying lay off him a bit.

[BoondockSaint]

Kevin - the whole crux of your ace/not ace argument is using Wang's postseason stats. What I'm pointing out is that the post-season stats are very skewed because of that fourth start. I'm not bashing Torre, but he threw Wang out there on very short rest. And unless you name is Schilling or Johnson and it's 2001, THAT IS A VERY BAD IDEA.

I'm not saying Wang is an ace, but I am saying lay off him a bit.

See, Kev, his wang isn't infected. again.

[Kevin]

Kevin - the whole crux of your ace/not ace argument is using Wang's postseason stats. What I'm pointing out is that the post-season stats are very skewed because of that fourth start. I'm not bashing Torre, but he threw Wang out there on very short rest. And unless you name is Schilling or Johnson and it's 2001, THAT IS A VERY BAD IDEA.

I'm not saying Wang is an ace, but I am saying lay off him a bit.

Sooooooo... was he on 3 days rest on game 1, when he gave up like 10 runs in 2 inns?

[BoondockSaint]

Sooooooo... was he on 3 days rest on game 1, when he gave up like 10 runs in 2 inns?


Joba smash your math. SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Beckett also threw a 2-0 complete game shutout vs the Yanks on 3 days rest. and other pitchers have pitched well on 3 days rest. So its not that bad of an idea

[Doctor Z]

And if Joba becomes the power arm ace we currently lack will Hank get credit the for his wins? Since he gets the blame?

This has been the plan since day 1.

You don't actually believe that horseshit story, do you? If it was "the plan since Day 1", they would've said it on Day 1. But all they kept saying was "He'll be a starter some day" and even went so far as to say "There's no timetable" and "It may not even be this year." Now all of a sudden, converting him into a starter in mid-May has "always been the plan"? If Pettitte and Wang were cruising, Hughes and Kennedy were coming along, and Moose was mediocre, Joba would still be the 8th inning guy. Hank is throwing Joba into the rotation as a desperation move. All I gotta say is, it better work.

[Bulldogcakes]

You don't actually believe that horseshit story, do you? If it was "the plan since Day 1", they would've said it on Day 1. But all they kept saying was "He'll be a starter some day" and even went so far as to say "There's no timetable" and "It may not even be this year." Now all of a sudden, converting him into a starter in mid-May has "always been the plan"? If Pettitte and Wang were cruising, Hughes and Kennedy were coming along, and Moose was mediocre, Joba would still be the 8th inning guy. Hank is throwing Joba into the rotation as a desperation move. All I gotta say is, it better work.


Are you serious? They said it a zillion times. Listen to the Mike+Maddog interview (http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php) from spring training. They didn't give a specific date, but it was always made clear it was going to happen sometime THIS season. They didn't give a date because they knew it would cause a huge distraction.

If you didn't know that they were going to turn Joba into a starter, then you either don't follow the team closely or only hear what you want to hear. If you figure out the innings they want him to get (150 this year) then the mid-June rotation slot works out perfectly. He'll get around 20 starts and if he goes 6 each time he'll log 120 IP. That, plus the 22 he already has and hopefully some playoff work and you're there. They only kept him as a reliever to keep his innings down this year. EVERYBODY knew this except you.

And to characterize the Yanks sticking with the plan as a "desperation move" just shows that you're lost. Maybe you get your info from Mets fans like Joe&Evan who don't know what they're talking about.

[Knowledged_one]

Are you serious? They said it a zillion times. Listen to the Mike+Maddog interview (http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php) from spring training. They didn't give a specific date, but it was always made clear it was going to happen sometime THIS season. They didn't give a date because they knew it would cause a huge distraction.

If you didn't know that they were going to turn Joba into a starter, then you either don't follow the team closely or only hear what you want to hear. If you figure out the innings they want him to get (150 this year) then the mid-June rotation slot works out perfectly. He'll get around 20 starts and if he goes 6 each time he'll log 120 IP. That, plus the 22 he already has and hopefully some playoff work and you're there. They only kept him as a reliever to keep his innings down this year. EVERYBODY knew this except you.

And to characterize the Yanks sticking with the plan as a "desperation move" just shows that you're lost. Maybe you get your info from Mets fans like Joe&Evan who don't know what they're talking about.

Do you have any original thoughts or do you just quote and agree with every blog or radio show that you come across?

[Bulldogcakes]

Do you have any original thoughts or do you just quote and agree with every blog or radio show that you come across?

As usual, you have nothing to offer. No counter arguments, no stats, no theory. Just mindless attempts to insult, and in order for me to be affected I would first have to have a scintilla of respect for your opinion, which I don't.

Make sure to scream louder, I'll be ignoring you from now on.

[Bulldogcakes]

I love Camden Yards.

Forget the new stadium, lets just play there.

[Bulldogcakes]

Who is this team wearing Yankee uniforms? The Bad News Bears?

[Bulldogcakes]

For those who didn't know (or bother to look up) Rasner's career ERA is 3.38

The worst his ERA has ever been is 4.43, granted that was only his second year of pitching in the bigs.

First time around, hitters have an average of .287
Second time that average drops down to a tiny .212
Third time through a lineup, hitters average becomes .133

Each time the OBP drastically decreases as well .325-.288-.188

2 outs with RISP, people bat .185 against him. In addition to that, when the score is within a 3-4 run difference, he either keeps the Yankees close or burries the teams chance to come back.

Nice job by someone from another board putting these stats together. Here's the source. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=rasneda01)Confirmed what my eyes have been telling me for the past few weeks.

And we can stop with the Aaron Small comparisons. If he was really this years Aaron Small, those numbers would be reversed.

[Knowledged_one]

Nice job by someone from another board putting these stats together. Here's the source. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=rasneda01)Confirmed what my eyes have been telling me for the past few weeks.

And we can stop with the Aaron Small comparisons. If he was really this years Aaron Small, those numbers would be reversed.

What a shock you quoting some other source and agreeing with it i am stunned

[TheGameHHH]

im so excited to see how kennedy blows the new lead he was just given......provided he continues to throw in this game

[JPMNICK]

im so excited to see how kennedy blows the new lead he was just given......provided he continues to throw in this game

PULL HIM OUT AND PUT JOBA IN!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

This Rob Andrews commercial owning Lautenberg over the age thing is AWESOME.

[Doctor Z]

Our offense must've come prepared tonight, knowing that Kennedy was pitching.

[Bulldogcakes]

im so excited to see how kennedy blows the new lead he was just given......provided he continues to throw in this game

Girardi pulls him after 3. I think we all know who will be sent down once Joba is ready.

[Bulldogcakes]

This Rob Andrews commercial owning Lautenberg over the age thing is AWESOME.

I like the new David Elsewhere slurpee ad.

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[TheGameHHH]

Girardi pulls him after 3. I think we all know who will be sent down once Joba is ready.

but he still wants to make everybody "look stupid" they cant send him down yet!

[Kevin]

This is gunna be a loooooong game.

[Bulldogcakes]

but he still wants to make everybody "look stupid" they cant send him down yet!

Hahahah! Too bad its not the hitters!

Kay is making it sound like an injury. I'll see if I can find something.

[TheGameHHH]

did i say kennedy was gonna blow the lead, i meant olendorff

[Bulldogcakes]

This is ridiculous. I have a feeling this game won't. . . .


Didn't even get to finish posting that one. 8-8.

[Doctor Z]

I'm gonna fucking puke.

[Bulldogcakes]

PA's blog

UPDATE, 8:39 p.m.: Ah, it turns out Ian Kennedy is injured. Slight strain in his right lat muscle.

No word on how long he’ll be out. But “slight” with the Yankees usually means “disabled list.”

[Bulldogcakes]

I see Derek has been hanging out with Jose Reyes lately.

[TheGameHHH]

man that was rough to watch

[Knowledged_one]

As usual, you have nothing to offer. No counter arguments, no stats, no theory. Just mindless attempts to insult, and in order for me to be affected I would first have to have a scintilla of respect for your opinion, which I don't.

Make sure to scream louder, I'll be ignoring you from now on.

Well you want stats to back up my contention that you have no original thoughts and only regurguitate what others say how bout we take a look at these posts

162, 371, 382, 436, 562, 563, 600, 672, 687, 688, 749, 755, 792, 884, 887, 900, 945, 963, 1146, 1169, and the classic
1211 which rivals the 9-2 start or the season is over post

[Bulldogcakes]

Out!!!

Nice Play Bobby!!!

[Doctor Z]

Okay, time to get Joba warming up in the pen. Oh, wait...

GO FARNSWORTH!
EL OH EL!

[Kevin]

We are so lucky to have a guy like Farnsworth to go an easy 1 2 3 every outing. Never a tense moment wit him.

[Bulldogcakes]

I have complete faith in Kyle Farnsworth.

Unwavering.


Total.

[Kevin]

See, old reliable Kyle.

[Bulldogcakes]

Told you so.

[Doctor Z]

There's no better chance to take the lead than right now. Speed on 2nd, nobody out, heart of the lineup.

MUST. WIN. NOW.

[Doctor Z]

Captain Clutch!

[Kevin]

Jeter does not have an Edge tonight.

[Kevin]

Nice work boys.

[Doctor Z]

Okay, Johnny fucking Damon leads off the top of the 9th with a fucking double... No better way to set up the go-ahead run.... and the next two guys strike out? For real? ...for real?

Fuck this shit.

[Doctor Z]

At least Girardi defends his players in shitty conditions. I can guarantee you he wouldn't have taken a nap while Joba got eaten alive in Cleveland. That's how real men do it.

PS - I'm calling it now. Blowing an opportunity like that, we lost this game.

[Kevin]

At least Girardi defends his players in shitty conditions. I can guarantee you he wouldn't have taken a nap while Joba got eaten alive in Cleveland. That's how real men do it.

PS - I'm calling it now. Blowing an opportunity like that, we lost this game.

Yea, nice to have a manager with a fucking pulse.

[HBox]

Stop the game now huh? What complete fucking bullshit.

[Bulldogcakes]

Yea, nice to have a manager with a fucking pulse.

for the love of GOD. Let the Torre thing go. He is in LA now, leave him be.

Couldn't resist. :wink:

[Doctor Z]

"Are you SURE you're not a shortstop?"

[Doctor Z]

Well... one more shot to win this game (if Mo can pitch a scoreless 10th), and then it's over... cuz the next pitcher is either Hawkins or Veras... so that'll be that.

[TheGameHHH]

So Damon gets on to lead off the 11th, imagine how cool it would be if they could actually get him around to score.

[TheGameHHH]

unfuckingbelievable, its apparent God does not want the Yankees to win this game.

[TheGameHHH]

somehow Godzirra bails them out

[Kevin]

And there you go.

[Doctor Z]

I hope Latroy Hawkins never pitches for the Yankees again.

[Kevin]

Nice job by the Pen again.

[hammersavage]

I'd sooner pitch Stephen Hawking than Latroy Hawkins.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

We will hire goons to kill Letroy Hawkins , if you hire goons to kill Aaron Heilman

[Doctor Z]

That's easily the worst loss of the year thus far.

4-0 lead, blew it.
8-4 lead, blew it.
Damon leads off the 9th with a double, can't score him.
Top of the 11th, BASES LOADED, NOBODY OUT, A-ROD UP... score 1 run off a matsui hit.

Hawkins... most worthless piece of garbage in the history of pitching. By tomorrow morning, I want him looking for another job. He needs to be off this team, period. He has no place here, no value here, no potential here. End of story.

[hammersavage]

and while were at it, lets put Farnsworth and Willie on a boat together and set the coordinates for the Lost island.

[Kevin]

I keep hearing that Cashman is a great GM.. But what the fuck has he done? He rode the coatails of Stick Michaels picks to 3 titles and since then has made terrible move after terrible move. Esp for pitching.

[TheGameHHH]

kennedy is heading to the DL, you can't write stuff as comical as this.

[Bulldogcakes]

Hawkins (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=115629)has been awful, and so has Ohlendorf (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=456027)

I don't know how much longer you can stay with either of them. Its not like we don't have options in AAA and even AA.

[Bulldogcakes]

Why tonight’s loss supports moving Joba to the starting rotation (http://riveraveblues.com/2008/05/28/why-tonights-loss-supports-moving-joba-to-the-starting-rotation-2894/)


On the surface, tonight’s utterly pathetic 11-inning loss to the Orioles doesn’t do much to buffer the Yanks’ case that Joba Chamberlain should be given a shot at the starting rotation. When the game turned into a extra innings death match, the Yanks had to turn to LaTroy Hawkins, and surprising no one, Hawkins promptly blew the game (with an assist from Derek Jeter).

In the morning, the papers are sure to have a field day with this one. For the second day in a row, a pitcher not named Joba Chamberlain came into and blew a close game in late innings. Not so coincidentally, that pitcher’s name on both days happened to be LaTroy Hawkins. Had Joba — the erstwhile seventh member of the bullpen — been in the pen, the argument goes, the Yanks wouldn’t have needed LaTroy. Never mind that Joba would have pitched much earlier in the game, and that Hawkins probably would have throwing in the 11th anyway. That requires too much conjecture.

But counterintuitively to the knee-jerk Joba reaction is the fact that this game is a prime example of why Joba Chamberlain should be starting. Right now, it’s clear that we just don’t know what to expect out of Ian Kennedy. He became the first Yankee rookie in decades to record zero wins over his first eight starts to begin a season, and a lat injury will, according to Joe Girardi’s post-game show, send him to the disabled list.

The Yanks scored eight runs tonight, and by any stretch, that should be enough to win the game. Staked to a four-run lead, Kennedy couldn’t hold down the fort. Ross Ohlendorf, very effective for one inning and very terrible beyond that (notice a pattern?), didn’t hold his four run lead either.

So enter Joba Chamberlain in the starting rotation. With Joba in the starting rotation taking Kennedy’s place — a nearly foregone conclusion considering the off-day on Thursday — the Yanks wouldn’t need a pitcher of Joba’s caliber for the back end of the game because that pitcher would ideally be giving them six or seven innings of baseball without allowing eight runs to score.

By the time Hawkins came in to predictably blow the game tonight, the point would have been moot. With a better starting pitcher, the Yanks wouldn’t have been in the 11th inning scrambling for an arm.



Bingo.


His point about Ohlendorf is a good one, he has trouble keeping his mechanics together after his first inning of work. He has terrific stuff, but maybe he should just be a one inning guy. In any case, its time to start looking at other bullpen options.

[TheGameHHH]

you know whats gonna piss all of us off the most? when Joba sucks as a starter

[JPMNICK]

you know whats gonna piss all of us off the most? when Joba sucks as a starter

or when he goes 7 strong innings, the game is 2-1, and then some scrub comes off the bench and blows it before Mo comes in.

and the 2nd thing that is going to piss me off is HAVING to use Mo for 5+ out saves because they will not trust anyone else. that will burn his arm up and make him useless in the post season

[TheMojoPin]

Gotta gotta go 19-8 now over the course of that blog's posted timespan to hit at least 10 games over .500 by June 27th.

Now they need to go 20-7 to be 10 games over .500 by June 27th.

I'm not really doing this to pick on anyone here...just to point out how ridiculous and stupid that blog was, and how most sports blogs tend to be.

[Knowledged_one]

That's easily the worst loss of the year thus far.

4-0 lead, blew it.
8-4 lead, blew it.
Damon leads off the 9th with a double, can't score him.
Top of the 11th, BASES LOADED, NOBODY OUT, A-ROD UP... score 1 run off a matsui hit.

Hawkins... most worthless piece of garbage in the history of pitching. By tomorrow morning, I want him looking for another job. He needs to be off this team, period. He has no place here, no value here, no potential here. End of story.

Its funny i was going to say easily the best win of the year for the orioles. Coming back from 2 4 run deficits and the bullpen pitching really well to get them through it

and is there any truth to the rumor that Ian Kennedy will be the AL Home Run derby pitcher as much as he grooves fastballs for the hitters

[Knowledged_one]

Now they need to go 20-7 to be 10 games over .500 by June 27th.

I'm not really doing this to pick on anyone here...just to point out how ridiculous and stupid that blog was, and how most sports blogs tend to be.

yeah but there were some that believed it

and again is this still just a slow start to what is now the first 1/3 of the season?

[Freitag]

Here's an idea:

Have Joba and Kennedy swap places. Kennedy does middle relief, Joba starts.

Is it a lat injury, or a "lat injury" for kennedy?

[TheGameHHH]

Here's an idea:

Have Joba and Kennedy swap places. Kennedy does middle relief, Joba starts.

Is it a lat injury, or a "lat injury" for kennedy?

It's the LATter........oh, see what i did there?

[Freitag]

It's the LATter........oh, see what i did there?

That was so funny, I nearly choked on my LATte.

[spoon]

unfuckingbelievable, its apparent God does not want the Yankees to win this game.

Ahhh, poor yankees and their fans. PLEASE!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Ahhh, poor yankees and their fans. PLEASE!!!

nah, dont get it twisted. i wasnt looking for sympathy or claiming self-pity. you just had to see the circumstances last night after i posted that. it was clear after the play just happened that there was no way the yanks were winning that game.

[spoon]

Well you want stats to back up my contention that you have no original thoughts and only regurguitate what others say how bout we take a look at these posts

162, 371, 382, 436, 562, 563, 600, 672, 687, 688, 749, 755, 792, 884, 887, 900, 945, 963, 1146, 1169, and the classic
1211 which rivals the 9-2 start or the season is over post

NICE!! I love how bdc doesn't "have a scintilla of respect for" any "opinions" that differ from his or especially those that easily make him look the fool.

Great post!! Keep up the ignoring BDC, it's only making this MORE fun to see you try so hard to post right after ur posts are ripped but not addressing them. Ahahahaha!

[spoon]

nah, dont get it twisted. i wasnt looking for sympathy or claiming self-pity. you just had to see the circumstances last night after i posted that. it was clear after the play just happened that there was no way the yanks were winning that game.

Saw the game (most of the important parts) and I get you. It just sounded bad the way I read it.

[Snoogans]

nah, dont get it twisted. i wasnt looking for sympathy or claiming self-pity. you just had to see the circumstances last night after i posted that. it was clear after the play just happened that there was no way the yanks were winning that game.

Also, Arod didnt want the yanks to win, since he had like 13 errors last night

[spoon]

Couldn't resist. :wink:

All this in-fighting is making Game sad. Can't we all just be best friends and root for the Yanks?

FUCK NO!

And keep fighting boys!

Mental Cripple Fight!!!

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/SM1082~Cripple-Fight-Posters.jpg

[spoon]

Also, Arod didnt want the yanks to win, since he had like 13 errors last night

No no, it's Joe Torre's fault you stupid cunt!

:lol:

[spoon]

TEAM W L % GB
Tampa Bay 32 21 .604 -
Boston 32 23 .582 1.0
Toronto 28 26 .519 4.5
Baltimore 26 25 .510 5.0
New York 25 27 .481 6.5

[Kevin]

I still can't get by the fact that BDC blames Torre for starting his "ace" in game one on the road.


Jeter last night probably had his worst game as a Yankee.

Gets picked off 2nd
Does not get a bunt down
And in the 11th, he throws home to try to get Mora when he had no shot, allowing Huff to go to 3rd. He throws to 3rd, Huff is dead.

[Bulldogcakes]

Now they need to go 20-7 to be 10 games over .500 by June 27th.

I'm not really doing this to pick on anyone here...just to point out how ridiculous and stupid that blog was, and how most sports blogs tend to be.


The BLOG is stupid, or that particular quote was? Do you have any idea whose blog that is?

I posted at the time that looking at schedules is always shaky, but that "ridiculous and stupid" blog you're referring to is Peter Abraham's blog, who is a sportswriter for the Journal News. It gets over a MILLION page views daily. It is by far and away the most successful sports blog on the planet. You don't get that kind of traffic by being stupid and ridiculous.

If you're so much smarter, then start your own Cubbies blog and see how many hits you get. I wish you luck.

[Bulldogcakes]

I still can't get by the fact that BDC blames Torre for starting his "ace" in game one on the road.

I can only explain it to you, I can't comprehend it for you.

[spoon]

The BLOG is stupid, or that particular quote was? Do you have any idea whose blog that is?

I posted at the time that looking at schedules is always shaky, but that "ridiculous and stupid" blog you're referring to is Peter Abraham's blog, who is a sportswriter for the Journal News. It gets over a MILLION page views daily. It is by far and away the most successful sports blog on the planet. You don't get that kind of traffic by being stupid and ridiculous.

If you're so much smarter, then start your own Cubbies blog and see how many hits you get. I wish you luck.

So, Mojo is wrong bc u worship a fucking BLOGGER from the journal news??!! Sorry, you dig ur hole deeper every fucking post. And keep making KO's points for him genius!!

BDC, nothing but logic!

[TheMojoPin]

The BLOG is stupid, or that particular quote was? Do you have any idea whose blog that is?

I posted at the time that looking at schedules is always shaky, but that "ridiculous and stupid" blog you're referring to is Peter Abraham's blog, who is a sportswriter for the Journal News. It gets over a MILLION page views daily. It is by far and away the most successful sports blog on the planet. You don't get that kind of traffic by being stupid and ridiculous.

If you're so much smarter, then start your own Cubbies blog and see how many hits you get. I wish you luck.

Most sports blogs are ridiculous and full of stupid hyperbole. Sports journalists, by and large, are guilty of the same usually at least tenfold. Hence why sites like this (http://www.firejoemorgan.com/) and this (http://firejaymariotti.blogspot.com/) will never run out of material provided on a daily basis. I don't have to start my own site because, thankfully, there's ones like that out there. I love sports blogs for entertainment, but for any kind of realistic, informed or serious analysis, almost all of them ride the EPIC PHALE WHALE.

[Bulldogcakes]

Just to show you what a bright guy Mr Abraham is (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/27/more-comments-on-the-comments/)

A few guidelines:

1. Ignore the trolls. Every blog has them and in our case they’re mostly Red Sox fans angry that bars up there close at 1 a.m. Just don’t respond, period. They will go away.

2. If the Yankees give up a run or lose a game, please refrain from declaring the season is over. You just look stupid. Or did you forget what happened last year and the year before that and the year before that? One pitch or one game does not a season make. Just relax.

3. If there is a persistent knucklehead or two, please send me an e-mail letting me know who the person is, an example of their idiocy and the time of their post and I’ll see what I can do.


Great advice.

Its unfortunate that this thread is 3/4 trolls lately, but I'm not a Mod so I can't do anything about that. There are rules about this stuff, but its never enforced around here. Its also unfortunate that these people can't disagree with someone without having personal attacks in every sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but they are few and far between here. But that's a reflection on them, their level of maturity and intelligence. When you have nothing of substance to offer, no counter arguments, no facts, you go with personal attacks. Facts, the ability to debate, stuff like that takes some thought and some work. Personal attacks are cheap and easy.

[Kevin]

I can only explain it to you, I can't comprehend it for you.

So hold on.. An ace to you is a guy that has to be coddled and only pitched at home because he shits the bed on the road?

WHATS TO FUCKING COMPREHEND?

You Think that is the case with Becket and Halliday? You think Tito said, i can't pitch Schilling on the road?

Seriously what fucking planet are you on? It must be like Earth 45.

[Bulldogcakes]

Most sports blogs are ridiculous and full of stupid hyperbole. Sports journalists, by and large, are guilty of the same usually at least tenfold. Hence why sites like this (http://www.firejoemorgan.com/) and this (http://firejaymariotti.blogspot.com/) will never run out of material provided on a daily basis. I don't have to start my own site because, thankfully, there's ones like that out there. I love sports blogs for entertainment, but for any kind of realistic, informed or serious analysis, almost all of them ride the EPIC PHALE WHALE.

Fire Joe Morgan and Fire Jay Mariotti are sports blogs.

[Kevin]

And i am not even debating the fact that Wang should not have pitched on the road, he sucks there. I am just saying, you cant concede to that fact and still call the man an ace.

[Bulldogcakes]

Back to biz. From NY DAILY NEWS BEAT WRITER Mark Fiensand's BLOG (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2008/05/hawkins-shows-his-frustration.html)

I don’t know if a couple of bad outings will prompt the Yankees to send Hawkins packing, but it wouldn’t be the first time they did something like that. On June 29, 2005, the Yankees designated both Paul Quantrill and Mike Stanton for assignment after a series in Baltimore despite the fact that Quantrill was making $3 million and Stanton was making $4 million.

Quantrill had a 6.75 ERA in 22 games, while Stanton had a 7.07 ERA in 28 games and had just allowed a game-ending homer to Brian Roberts in that series.

Hawkins’ ERA after his blown save now stands at 6.75. He’s making $3.75 million this year. Could he be headed for the same fate that Quantrill and Stanton were nearly three years ago? It’s certainly possible.

So if history is any guide, we have about a month left of Mr Hawkins. I think by that time they'll have a pretty good feel about who they have in AA and AAA, and that will also be at the point of the season when teams start making small deals and unloading guys.

[spoon]

Just to show you what a bright guy Mr Abraham is (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/27/more-comments-on-the-comments/)



Great advice.

Its unfortunate that this thread is 3/4 trolls lately, but I'm not a Mod so I can't do anything about that. There are rules about this stuff, but its never enforced around here. Its also unfortunate that these people can't disagree with someone without having personal attacks in every sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but they are few and far between here. But that's a reflection on them, their level of maturity and intelligence. When you have nothing of substance to offer, no counter arguments, no facts, you go with personal attacks. Facts, the ability to debate, stuff like that takes some thought and some work. Personal attacks are cheap and easy.


God I love you!

Your ignorance is nothing short of incredible! My advice for those people who used to read the comics in the morning with their coffee, stop. Read BDC posts instead and let the comedy unfold! This guy runs his life by sports blogs!

[TheGameHHH]

Back to biz. From NY DAILY NEWS BEAT WRITER Mark Fiensand's BLOG (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2008/05/hawkins-shows-his-frustration.html)



So if history is any guide, we have about a month left of Mr Hawkins. I think by that time they'll have a pretty good feel about who they have in AA and AAA, and that will also be at the point of the season when teams start making small deals and unloading guys.

with things like that i dont even really see the money as an issue, he's killing the ball club in the small role that he has and he needs to go because of it. this is an interesting circumstance where it's not so much a business decision as it's a smart baseball decision. most moves are the other way around.

[Knowledged_one]

I still can't get by the fact that BDC blames Torre for starting his "ace" in game one on the road.


Jeter last night probably had his worst game as a Yankee.

Gets picked off 2nd
Does not get a bunt down
And in the 11th, he throws home to try to get Mora when he had no shot, allowing Huff to go to 3rd. He throws to 3rd, Huff is dead.

Kevin just as an added bonus and because BDC wants facts to back up an argument or something stupid from his bizzaro world logic

Dont forget the game about a week ago when Jeter had the error that led to Mussina's 2/3 of an in inning outing then proceeded to bounce into at least one double play

but what do i know im only bringing up stuipid facts that back things up, Jeter has had a tough year against the orioles but thats just my opinion not the opinion of a blogger who gets over a million hits

[spoon]

Back to biz. From NY DAILY NEWS BEAT WRITER Mark Fiensand's BLOG (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2008/05/hawkins-shows-his-frustration.html)



So if history is any guide, we have about a month left of Mr Hawkins. I think by that time they'll have a pretty good feel about who they have in AA and AAA, and that will also be at the point of the season when teams start making small deals and unloading guys.

The above is a good portion of the reason why most fans of BASEBALL hate the yankees and how they operate. A team with a payroll over 200 million for years, constantly burying their mistakes in terms of multi-million dollar per year players while others can't even keep their own players is a fucking joke. What makes it even worse is that their fans are constantly looking at, Who to acquire next instead of finding a way with the team at hand....
Sorry, most of you aren't yankee fans, bc half the team comes from somewhere else most seasons by late July. This year seemingly won't be any different. Who will they blame this year for blowing it with all these 10 million dollar players!? Cashman, take the stand. Next year, Joe G is on the slicer.

[Knowledged_one]

Oh an Kevin you were right about one thing you said when i was reviewing this thread for BDC regurgitated material

You said the Orioles would be in 4th by the end of June, i just dont think you counted on the yankees being the 5th place team

[Bulldogcakes]

Joba could be in the rotation by next week. (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/28/kennedy-to-dl-joba-to-fill-in/)

His next appearance would be for 65-70 pitches. The Yankees could simply plug him into Kennedy’s spot in the rotation and pitch him against Minnesota on Monday. Or use Andy Pettitte on Monday and pitch Joba against Toronto on Tuesday. Or just call somebody up.

Joe Girardi said after the game that he needed to talk it over with Brian Cashman.

It’s amazing that Kennedy and Phil Hughes are both on the DL 52 games into the season. They are a combined 0-7 with a 7.99 ERA. The Yankees are 3-12 in the games they have pitched this season, 22-15 in their other games.

[spoon]

I'm going to do an impression, see if anyone can figure it out?

Here it comes....

[Knowledged_one]

Just to show you what a bright guy Mr Abraham is (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/27/more-comments-on-the-comments/)



Great advice.

Its unfortunate that this thread is 3/4 trolls lately, but I'm not a Mod so I can't do anything about that. There are rules about this stuff, but its never enforced around here. Its also unfortunate that these people can't disagree with someone without having personal attacks in every sentence. I enjoy a good debate, but they are few and far between here. But that's a reflection on them, their level of maturity and intelligence. When you have nothing of substance to offer, no counter arguments, no facts, you go with personal attacks. Facts, the ability to debate, stuff like that takes some thought and some work. Personal attacks are cheap and easy.

Oh i forgot its almost June 1 time for BDC to pull out his martyr card, where he wants only Yankee fans to post in the Yankee threads and somehow we are being unfair. Sorry to tell you but this is america and we can post where we want. And i hardly consider us trolls as we dont just post one thing over and over that would be trolling. And i took crap about my comment about middle relievers like a man while you whine like a sissy.

And you are the one who posts with no intelligence, no counter argument or ability to debate, you quote one blog or another spit out an i agree and expect people not to call you on it are you serious

Poor little baby has non-yankee fans post in the yankee thread and wants to complain about us trolling, you are beyond a joke and even the yankee fans in this thread see it and call you out on it.

BDC where logic and fair weather fandom meets in one huge bit of drek

[Bulldogcakes]

with things like that i dont even really see the money as an issue, he's killing the ball club in the small role that he has and he needs to go because of it. this is an interesting circumstance where it's not so much a business decision as it's a smart baseball decision. most moves are the other way around.

That was the whole point behind signing Hawkins, not that he was good but that it was a one year deal. Everyone else (including Vizcaino, who's on the DL with a bad shoulder) wanted 2-3 years. Cashman is big on having flexibility, guys who have expiring deals can be cut in the middle of the season if they don't work out. Plus they think that Cox, Robertson and especially Melancon will contribute at some point later this year. I think they just want them to go around the league a few times in the minors just to be sure, but all 3 are doing great so far.

Cox is a good fit to replace Hawkins. He's a ground ball pitcher, which is what Hawkins was supposed to be.

[spoon]

That was the whole point behind signing Hawkins, not that he was good but that it was a one year deal. Everyone else (including Vizcaino, who's on the DL with a bad shoulder) wanted 2-3 years. Cashman is big on having flexibility, guys who have expiring deals can be cut in the middle of the season if they don't work out. Plus they think that Cox, Robertson and especially Melancon will contribute at some point later this year. I think they just want them to go around the league a few times in the minors just to be sure, but all 3 are doing great so far.

Cox is a good fit to replace Hawkins. He's a ground ball pitcher, which is what Hawkins was supposed to be.

I'm sure they'll all be the equivalent of "aces" of middle relief!! Remember that baker boy? You're all Aces kid! All aces!

[spoon]

Cleveland took game four to knock New York out of the playoffs. As most people have heard, George has stated that Torree will be fired if the Yankees don't advance to the ALCS (what a "classy" organization).

And as if being eliminated in the first round isn't embarassing enough for the team with the highest payroll in the majors, here's something to put into perspective. The Yankees have now spent 1.2 BILLION DOLLARS in the last 7 years and have not won a championship.

Aside from the Yankees obvious over-rated pitching, one of the main reasons to blame for their pathetic showing can be attributed to Jeter and Arod going a combined 7-32 with just one extra base hit. Derek Jeter made 18 outs in 17 plate appearances in the ALDS.

God, this site gets a shitload of hits a day. I'd kill if it asked me to!

[TheGameHHH]

Gary Thorne just said last night was the first time Jeter had been picked off in over 10 years. Is that true?

[spoon]

Gary Thorne just said last night was the first time Jeter had been picked off in over 10 years. Is that true?

I heard he got that fact from BDC......or that amazing Journal News blogger! I also hear he can lift Oprah with one arm.

[TheGameHHH]

I heard he got that fact from BDC......or that amazing Journal News blogger! I also hear he can lift Oprah with one arm.

he also said it was the first time the Yanks surrendered 2 four run leads in a single game since 1939. sadly, he didn't cite BDC or Peter Abraham as his source.....which makes me skeptical.

[TheGameHHH]

as long as giambi keeps rocking that porno 'stache, im rooting for him!

[Bulldogcakes]

He looks like a Cop from those old school 70s pornos.

http://out-route.gloriousnoise.com/Giambi.jpg

"Miss, I'm going to have to give you a speeding ticket. .. .unless we can work something out"

[Bulldogcakes]

What's right with Edwar? (http://www.nomaas.org/)


Edwar Ramirez so far this year in 12.2 innings pitched, has struck out 15 and walked 6 while giving up just 7 hits. His ERA still sits at 0.00. What is most baffling is that Pitchf/x shows that his fastball has nearly doubled it's movement. There are rumors that he's learned to throw a cutter. Gameday says he's throwing a splitter. So what's really up with Edwar?

It as simple as this: he's lowered his release point. If you examine the Pitchf/x data closely, you will see that he has very subtly moved a little closer to a 3/4 arm slot. That position change produces a greater horizontal movement. This also explains the approximate one mph drop in his fastball's velocity. An over the top delivery is a little quicker and is necessary to throw a curve but since that is not in Edwar's repertoire, he doesn't need it. The additional movement is more beneficial than the slight increase in velocity. His fastball and change-up still look identical when they leave his hand. This increased horizontal movement combined with better control has simply allowed him to do what we all knew he needed to do in order to succeed - utilize his fastball to set up his change-up.

Interesting. He's moving up the ladder quickly, and has been great so far.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm not making this up right now, the O's network is now interviewing the Geico Caveman. Apparently he threw out the first pitch. This is worse then when I went to Tampa and the pre-game entertainment was a dozen 80 year old ladies dancing to 40's music.

[Bulldogcakes]

Fuck

[Bulldogcakes]

Porno Mustache!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Nice job by Jeter, 3-2 yanks.

Now lets see if Pettite can hold it and Joba can go for the 4 inning save. If there is such a thing.

[Snoogans]

The BLOG is stupid, or that particular quote was? Do you have any idea whose blog that is?

I posted at the time that looking at schedules is always shaky, but that "ridiculous and stupid" blog you're referring to is Peter Abraham's blog, who is a sportswriter for the Journal News. It gets over a MILLION page views daily. It is by far and away the most successful sports blog on the planet. You don't get that kind of traffic by being stupid and ridiculous.

If you're so much smarter, then start your own Cubbies blog and see how many hits you get. I wish you luck.

Yea, like the Onion, or Maddox or Gorillamask, they get ZERO hits by being Stupid and ridiculous

[Snoogans]

That was the whole point behind signing Hawkins, not that he was good but that it was a one year deal. .

HOLY SHIT. You mean to tell me that to get a contract in MLB, you can be horrible and its still a good move cause it was only a 1 year deal? Please tell me you are fuckin kidding. NOBODY, NOT EVEN THE MONEY WASTING YANKEES, would sign a guy they knew was gonna suck because he only wanted 1 year.

THAT is the most retarded thing anyone has ever posted on this board.

[Snoogans]

Nice job by Jeter, 3-2 yanks.

Now lets see if Pettite can hold it and Joba can go for the 4 inning save. If there is such a thing.

YOU CLAIM TO BE A BASEBALL FAN AND YOU DONT FUCKIN KNOW IF YOU CAN GET A 4 INNING SAVE????????????

[Bulldogcakes]

Here comes Joba.

I don't know why you wouldn't stretch out Joba when Kennedy or Mussina is scheduled. They're much more likely to go 5 or less. But it probably doesn't matter anyway, he might even start next week.

[Snoogans]

how bout you actually respond to the people who shit on you. Make a point. Somehow defend the fact that you think you know so much about baseball and didnt know about 4 inning saves

[Kevin]

HOLY SHIT. You mean to tell me that to get a contract in MLB, you can be horrible and its still a good move cause it was only a 1 year deal? Please tell me you are fuckin kidding. NOBODY, NOT EVEN THE MONEY WASTING YANKEES, would sign a guy they knew was gonna suck because he only wanted 1 year.

THAT is the most retarded thing anyone has ever posted on this board.

yea, its only one year, the year you have 3 fucking rookie pitchers going. Let him fuck you up that year.

[Snoogans]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mo goes 2 innings last night. joba is doing fine tonight. Lets use Mo again just cause we have off tomorrow, but then have Joba throw in the pen anyway instead of JUST LEAVING HIM IN AND GIVING 2 DAYS REST TO MO


Girardi is great with pitchers, BDC. Im sorry, you were totally right on that one, and I apologize. I swear though, I remember Girardi being horrible with pitchers. I guess Im wrong

[Bulldogcakes]

PA's Blog (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/28/game-53-yankees-at-orioles/)

Given how he was going, I might have kept Chamberlain in the game. But managers are so tied to their closers these days, so you can’t blame Girardi. Ninth inning, two-run lead, use your closer. By the book.

I agree. I don't know if Mo cares about getting saves, and I would have left Joba in just to see how he holds up. But you have to win games, that that situation is Mo's job. Can't argue with it.

[Kevin]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mo goes 2 innings last night. joba is doing fine tonight. Lets use Mo again just cause we have off tomorrow, but then have Joba throw in the pen anyway instead of JUST LEAVING HIM IN AND GIVING 2 DAYS REST TO MO


Girardi is great with pitchers, BDC. Im sorry, you were totally right on that one, and I apologize. I swear though, I remember Girardi being horrible with pitchers. I guess Im wrong

PA's Blog (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/28/game-53-yankees-at-orioles/)



I agree. I don't know if Mo cares about getting saves, and I would have left Joba in just to see how he holds up. But you have to win games, that that situation is Mo's job. Can't argue with it.

Fucking Snoogans just made that point. Yet you completely ignore him and quote a blog. Nice work. You do know being silent does not mean you are right... right?

[Knowledged_one]

PA's Blog (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/28/game-53-yankees-at-orioles/)



I agree. I don't know if Mo cares about getting saves, and I would have left Joba in just to see how he holds up. But you have to win games, that that situation is Mo's job. Can't argue with it.

Wow the human echo has agreed with another blog comment

Good win for the Yankees in a close game

O's still lead series 5-4

[TheMojoPin]

Fire Joe Morgan and Fire Jay Mariotti are sports blogs.

No, they're sports journalism commentary blogs.

[spoon]

PA's Blog (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/28/game-53-yankees-at-orioles/)



I agree. I don't know if Mo cares about getting saves, and I would have left Joba in just to see how he holds up. But you have to win games, that that situation is Mo's job. Can't argue with it.

Yah, can't argue it bc you just quoted that strategy from another unknown million hit blog!! It must be right. And by your/your blog's account, why have a fucking manager? Just have a set of logarithms (step by step procedures based on BDC blogs of love) for all baseball situations. Fire all managers and always go this route!!

Fucking Snoogans just made that point. Yet you completely ignore him and quote a blog. Nice work. You do know being silent does not mean you are right... right?

Come on Kevin get with it. He already showed us the Abrahm's techniques for "dealing with trolls", so you know it's his fucking Bible! BDC, Blogged Delusional Cunt.

[BoondockSaint]

No, they're sports journalism commentary blogs.

You're a sports journalism commentary blog.

[Knowledged_one]

You're a sports journalism commentary blog.

So's your face

[TheMojoPin]

So's your mom's face.

[Knowledged_one]

So's your mom's face.

Im made of rubber your made of glue bounces off me and sticks to you

[TheMojoPin]

You're gay.

NO BACKSIES NO TAKE-BACK.

[Knowledged_one]

You're gay.

NO BACKSIES NO TAKE-BACK.

Yeah but you didnt touch blue to make it true so there

[Snoogans]

Ladies, please, can we move on. We have like 7 shitty guys to sign to one year deals today. GET TO WORK

[Snoogans]

Saw this quote in a blog on Daily News.com so you know it must be true:

So the Yankees are in last place on May 28. What happens from here? Not much.
A quick look at the roster shows that there really isn’t a whole lot this team can do right now


That sucks BDC. Looks like you guys are just fucked

[TheMojoPin]

I predict 12 games over .500 by June 22nd.

[Knowledged_one]

I read in this blog called

www.knowledgedonesimagination.com

That there is a delusional board member on ronfez.net that thinks that information gleaned from a blog that gets 1 million hits a day is always correct

[Snoogans]

I read in this blog called

www.knowledgedonesimagination.com

That there is a delusional board member on ronfez.net that thinks that information gleaned from a blog that gets 1 million hits a day is always correct

I read that blog, its said Damon was goin to Anaheim for Tori Hunter. SO its gotta happen

[Snoogans]

I do have a serious, Yankee related question for you BDC:

If we are such "trolls" that we just come in here cause we hate the yankees, how come the majority of the yankee fans on this board not only dont get pissed, but dont really ever seem to disagree? Oh yea, MAYBE CAUSE YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG.

Also, its not like, as was said by Saint Peter Abrahms, we are all Sox fans who come in here just to shit on the Yankees. In fact, aside from me, NONE of these people are sox fans. One of them is a fan of a team in the NATIONAL LEAGUE and yet they all still shit on you. Don't you think, seriously, that you have to at least be a decent part of the reason why?

[Knowledged_one]

http://www.lohud.com/blogs/profiles/pabraham.jpg

Snoogans you must obey the rules of my blog, follow it, love it, live it

You must be under my control

[Kevin]

I read that blog, its said Damon was goin to Anaheim for Tori Hunter. SO its gotta happen


From

BDCisamoronblog.com (http://eatabullet.com)

It has been reported that The NY Yankees are on the brink of making multi team deal that would bring them Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Jonathan Papplbon, Roy Halliday, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford, Scot Kazmir, and the reincarnation of Babe Ruth Mickey Mantle and A re youthed Sandy Kaufax. In return they will give nothing to anyone else. A GM with one of those teams was quoted on condition of anonymity, because the deal is not done yet, saying. We felt we had to do this for the Privilege of dealing with Gods team, the NYY. We were assured by the lord himself, that if we make these deals, everyone in the organization will have all their sins absolved and go to heaven, with not just 70 virgins, but 700 virgins awaiting them. "We just had to take the deal, how could you not" Said another anonymous GM.

There you have it. FUCK ALL YA YANKEE HATERS. GO POST IN YOUR OWN THREADS!!!!

[Doctor Z]

I do have a serious, Yankee related question for you BDC:

If we are such "trolls" that we just come in here cause we hate the yankees, how come the majority of the yankee fans on this board not only dont get pissed, but dont really ever seem to disagree?

We've trained ourselves to tune you guys out. Years and years of training.

[Snoogans]

We've trained ourselves to tune you guys out. Years and years of training.

Years and years it took to learn how to ignore when you are wrong and people are saying so?

[Doctor Z]

Right.

[TheGameHHH]

Great blog entry from the second son of God, Peter Abraham:

"Perhaps I’m alone in this and more people than usual will tell me what an idiot I am.

But why not leave Joba Chamberlain in to pitch the ninth inning last night?

Jobamania has just retired four batters in a row, three by strikeout. He dominated Ramon Hernandez and Jay Payton. The Orioles has Adam Jones, Alex Cintron and Brian Roberts due up in the ninth. Jones and Cintron were 0 for 1 against Joba. Roberts had never faced him. The Yankees were up by two runs.

Joe Girardi may have the Baseball Prospectus annual on his bookshelf and he knows how to turn on his laptop. But unless I’m missing something, he manages pretty much like Joe Torre. If anything, he’s more conservative. The Yankees rarely steal bases or hit-and-run.

His bullpen management is fairly identical as well. The Yankees have relievers who pitch when they can win (Mo, Farnsworth, Joba) and those for lost causes (Ohlendorf, Hawkins, Veras, Britton) and those they can’t quite decide on (Ramirez).

Those out there who believed Girardi would be this number-crunching innovator must be wondering what happened.

Giradi is far, far more involved in player development, which is great. It also seems he’s much more invested in using scouting reports to prepare for games. Nothing escapes him.

But when you watch the games, is there that much of a difference than last season?"

[Crippler]

Great blog entry from the second son of God, Peter Abraham

Make that the 3rd son...

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/215/613/31/91_1.JPG

[Kevin]

Make that the 3rd son...

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/215/613/31/91_1.JPG

Shut up, you jerk.

[Crippler]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/319278603.jpg

...comin' at ya!

[JPMNICK]

if you did not know what manager was in the dugout last night, you would have sworn it was torre when mariano came in last night

[TheMojoPin]

Is Doctor Z actually Chickenhawk?

[JPMNICK]

oh, and off days suck. very boring.

[Kevin]

Is Doctor Z actually Chickenhawk?

You sir are correct!

[spoon]

I read in this blog called

www.knowledgedonesimagination.com

That there is a delusional board member on ronfez.net that thinks that information gleaned from a blog that gets 1 million hits a day is always correct

Yah, I hear Sean Taylor is up for saint-hood on that site!

[Knowledged_one]

Yah, I here Sean Taylor is up for saint-hood on that site!

Only if he says OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo during the national anthem my friend

[Doctor Z]

Is Doctor Z actually Chickenhawk?

Welcome to the party. The keg is tapped, the DJ's packing up his gear, and some chick is passed out in the bathroom.

[spoon]

Is Doctor Z actually Chickenhawk?

33k posts and look who just figured it out!

[spoon]

If only this thread had some tags......

[parkway_jesus]

Only if he says OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo during the national anthem my friend

Sacrilege!

[Tenbatsuzen]

33k posts and look who just figured it out!

Mojo's self-centeredness makes me look like Mother Teresa.

[spoon]

Mojo's self-centeredness makes me look like Mother Teresa.

I hear he jerks it in the mirror, on a mirror listening to Paul Westerberg and watching the ghost of Mark Pryor pitching a perfect game over the White Sox in a delusional paradise. And the kicker, Pryor comes home with him to be his personal jizz mopper.

[Bulldogcakes]

Jason Stark (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings)

Kei Igawa isn’t quite as buried on that Yankees’ depth chart as Carl Pavano, but it’s close. And he’s already homesick. We’ve heard from two different baseball men recently that Igawa asked the Yankees over the winter if there was any way he could return to Japan. The Yankees quietly explored their options, got nowhere and gave up.

What a fustercluck. I'd gladly take a plate of sushi, and call it a deal.








OK, half a plate of sushi.

[Bulldogcakes]

Update on Bob Sheppard (http://www.bustedhalo.com/features/BobSheppardInterview.htm)


Up until my recent illness, I have been physically fit for somebody my age. But last January for some reason or other, life caught up with me, and I began losing weight. I had a very serious problem with my lungs because of a bronchial problem and I was hospitalized. I had lost weight. I had gotten down to 103 pounds!


According to the doctor, when I reach, “my fighting weight” about 145-150, he will allow me to go back to Yankee Stadium and finish the season. So my target date to be back is July 1. There is an All Star Game to be played at Yankee Stadium on July 15th and one of my goals is to be there and announce it. I did one years and years ago at Yankee Stadium but I can’t recall it. So now this would be something to remember. I do want to be there next year when we open a new Stadium. And I’d like to be the one who says, “Good Afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen…Welcome to the NEW…Yankee Stadium.”

[Doctor Z]

I fuckin' love Bob Sheppard and I hope he lives forever.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I fuckin' love Bob Sheppard and I hope he lives forever.

Freddie Mercury's Blog (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/q/queen/who+wants+to+live+forever_20112495.html)

But touch my tears with your lips
Touch my world with your fingertips
And we can have forever
And we can love forever
Forever is our today
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today


Gotta agree with the man.

[TheMojoPin]

Welcome to the party. The keg is tapped, the DJ's packing up his gear, and some chick is passed out in the bathroom.

Wow, I'm slow. I was randomly trying to think of the most vocal Yankee fans since I've been on the board, and I remembered CH, but had no idea that you became Doc Z. I thought you just took off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow, I'm slow. I was randomly trying to think of the most vocal Yankee fans since I've been on the board, and I remembered CH, but had no idea that you became Doc Z. I thought you just took off.

And if you paid attention in the Yankee threads, you'd know the genesis of the name came from the awful Dr. Z ads during Yankee games in the 2006 season.

[Crippler]

Now if we could only figure out if this egomaniacal "Freitag" guy has a secret identity, then we would be getting somewhere!

[spoon]

PORNO STACHE!!


http://out-route.gloriousnoise.com/Giambi.jpg



How'd you like that WFAN!?

[Freitag]

One of the best Mojo ignorance issues is him not knowing I was married and who my wife was. And this was like 2 weeks ago.

[Snoogans]

PORNO STACHE!!


http://out-route.gloriousnoise.com/Giambi.jpg



How'd you like that WFAN!?

Im tellin you man, thats the key to Willie Randolph turning it around.

It turned around the employees at the bakery

[TheMojoPin]

One of the best Mojo ignorance issues is him not knowing I was married and who my wife was. And this was like 2 weeks ago.

Uhhhhh, no. That was me having no clue your wife was a history buff.

[spoon]

Uhhhhh, no. That was me having no clue your wife was a history buff.

Nice call to the fan last night Mojo!

[Bulldogcakes]

Newman throws some cold water on Melancon (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spyinside305707425may30,0,953282.story?page=2)

Righthanded pitching prospects J.B. Cox and Mark Melancon have two things in common: Both missed all of 2007 after elbow surgery and both frequently are mentioned by people looking for a sequel to Joba Chamberlain's '07 success.

It's unreasonable to expect anyone to match Chamberlain, but Cox has a better chance of reaching the majors this year. "He's a little farther along in terms of being able to execute his pitches," Yankees senior vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman said by phone yesterday. "Some chance of Cox [debuting this year], not much chance of Melancon. He's still got to execute some pitches a little bit better."

Said general manager Brian Cashman, "Their performance will dictate how quickly they get to the major leagues."

Cox, 24, is more polished. He was a second-round pick out of the University of Texas in 2005 and pitched for Team USA in an Olympic qualifying tournament in 2006. He also pitched a full season at Double-A Trenton before missing last year.

Cox appeared in six games for Class A Tampa this year, giving up two runs, eight hits and two walks in six innings. In five games and 6 2/3 innings for Trenton, he allowed one run, three hits and two walks. Since being promoted to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Cox has allowed two hits, two walks and no runs in 7 1/3 innings.

"He's working on locating his fastball," Newman said. "He's got a high-caliber sinker and he's working on his changeup. That's an emerging pitch for him."

Melancon was out last year with Tommy John elbow ligament transplant surgery, a more invasive procedure than Cox's. Melancon, 23, a ninth-rounder out of the University of Arizona in 2006, pitched 7 2/3 innings of pro ball before this year. He had a 2.84 ERA in 13 games and 25 1/3 innings for Tampa before joining Trenton. In four games, he has allowed one earned run in 11 innings (a 0.82 ERA) with 11 strikeouts.

I could see them calling up JB Cox if they release Hawkins in a month or so. Hawkins was signed to get you a ground ball out of the pen. Cox is a similar type of pitcher, although that sinker of his produces some swings and misses as well.

[Kevin]

Nice Defense this inning. What the fuck was Arod doing. Fucking statute.

[BoondockSaint]

Nice Defense this inning. What the fuck was Arod doing. Fucking statute.

It's not a contract year.

[Bulldogcakes]

Mussina's last 3 starts, including the first inning of tonight's game.

6.2IP 16 H 15 R 7 ER 4 BB

I think the league is catching up already with the new, improved Moose.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mussina's last 3 starts, including the first inning of tonight's game.

6.2IP 16 H 15 R 7 ER 4 BB

I think the league is catching up already with the new, improved Moose.

This is why you shouldn't start formulating opinions until AFTER the start is complete.

[Bulldogcakes]

Mussina's last 3 starts, including the first inning of tonight's game.

6.2IP 16 H 15 R 7 ER 4 BB

I think the league is catching up already with the new, improved Moose.

Or not. Add 5 beautifully pitched, scoreless innings to those totals. Nice job by Moose.

[Kevin]

And we head into what would have been Joba territory, lets see if we survive this.

[Kevin]

Meh.

[Snoogans]

This is why you shouldn't start formulating opinions until AFTER the start is complete.

He shouldnt formulate opinions cause he is retarded, not because of this

[Bulldogcakes]

This is why you shouldn't start formulating opinions until AFTER the start is complete.

And you had total confidence in him after that inning? Be honest.

Whats really going on here is all the Yankee fans are afraid to say ANYTHING because the trolls around here jump all over every word. Personally I don't give a fuck, and skip over their posts.

[Bulldogcakes]

BTW-Since I know Mojo is keeping score, the Yanks have won 7 of their last 9 games.