2009 New York Yankees Season Discussion

[TheMojoPin]

Tabata is definitely a gamble, but he's by no means a bust at this point. It's a risk, but one that could pay off huge for the Pirates. There team simply isn't at the point where Nady can help them. Tabata could easily be a major cornrstone for that team's future for a long time.

[Kevin]

One very young guy with a VERY high ceiling and a few guys who have a long shot of being decent at best. As it stands right now, the Yanks made out like bandits in this one. Nady is a really solid hitter and fielder and Marte definitely is a big boost to the bullpen. Excellent trade by the Yankees.

Nady is hitting 330. Yankees were really left handed heavy. Leftys dominated us this year. You plug Nady there, who is not a super star, but good and a professional hitter. Yanks need those type of guys.

And like you said, Marte has plus stuff. Who has playoff big game experience with the Wsox during that run. Ozzie Guillen said he cried himself to sleep when they dealt him, that is how much he liked him.

I think Pirates jumped the gun, all they needed to say was, we are very close to making a deal with the Yanks, wait a bit, and i think someone like Bos Tampa or whom ever, would step up. Hell, tonight Sox lost Delcarmen, who know how long he is out. Kinda like when they made the Abreu deal the day before Trot Nixon went down.

[Kevin]

Tabata is definitely a gamble, but he's by no means a bust at this point. It's a risk, but one that could pay off huge for the Pirates. There team simply isn't at the point where Nady can help them. Tabata could easily be a major cornrstone for that team's future for a long time.

Absolutely. But then again, how many of these 'special' players make it? Tebata could be great, or not. Time will tell.

I'd be much more angry if they gave up a SP with the promise that Tabata has. If we gave up Joba 2 years ago, i would not be happy. But your 2nd best OF prospect, i can live with.

[TheMojoPin]

I think Pirates jumped the gun, all they needed to say was, we are very close to making a deal with the Yanks, wait a bit, and i think someone like Bos Tampa or whom ever, would step up. Hell, tonight Sox lost Delcarmen, who know how long he is out. Kinda like when they made the Abreu deal the day before Trot Nixon went down.

Why wait? Tabata even sniffing his ceiling down the line is better than most position prospects out there right now. They need to plan for the future, and this is doing that in a big way. The other guys could definitely contribute, or be used in further deals.

[Kevin]

Why wait? Tabata even sniffing his ceiling down the line is better than most position prospects out there right now. They need to plan for the future, and this is doing that in a big way. The other guys could definitely contribute, or be used in further deals.

Yea, i guess. But if he was a headcase and wanted to quite being a Yankee prospect, what do you think his mindset will be as a Pirate.. Maybe it was all the expectations and the pressure of being a Yankee. Maybe he settles down.

[TheMojoPin]

Yea, i guess. But if he was a headcase and wanted to quite being a Yankee prospect, what do you think his mindset will be as a Pirate.. Maybe it was all the expectations and the pressure of being a Yankee. Maybe he settles down.

That's likely what they're hinging this on. Get him out of the spotlight and intensity of the big market and try again with a team where he would be THE player if he pans out and the face of that franchise as they attempt to build a quality team around him. That's a pretty big ego boost.

[Kevin]

I wonder if Z still thinks making Joba a starter is a terrible idea..

[The Jays]

The Yankees bullpen is amazing without Joba.

Mike Lowell is a herb. He was jumping up and down like a five year old. Maybe if he didn't crowd the plate he'd stop thinking pitches were inside.

I love how Josh Beckett was all poised to run in and beat down Joba if he and Youkilis started fighting. Joba is beefier than that dude, he'd lay him the fuck out.

[JPMNICK]

any status on the boston pitcher who left hurt?

[Kevin]

The Yankees bullpen is amazing without Joba.

Mike Lowell is a herb. He was jumping up and down like a five year old. Maybe if he didn't crowd the plate he'd stop thinking pitches were inside.

I love how Josh Beckett was all poised to run in and beat down Joba if he and Youkilis started fighting. Joba is beefier than that dude, he'd lay him the fuck out.

Wow, have not heard Herb thrown out there since my Jr high days. Nice work.


And Youk Knew that Joba would have fucked his ass up.

[Kevin]

Redsox are just a bunch of bullies. They loved all those years when they used to throw at us, and Torre would do shit. Nothing was wrong then. Now that the Yankees fight back, all of a sudden its not so funny.

Stop bitching and bring it. Youk is the posterchild of what they are all about. Whiney little bitches that do nothing when it comes down to it.

All that talk of oh we are gunna show Tampa, something is gunna happen.. What? Nothing.

Once Tampa said bring it, they came up small.

[JPMNICK]

Redsox are just a bunch of bullies. They loved all those years when they used to throw at us, and Torre would do shit. Nothing was wrong then. Now that the Yankees fight back, all of a sudden its not so funny.

Stop bitching and bring it. Youk is the posterchild of what they are all about. Whiney little bitches that do nothing when it comes down to it.

All that talk of oh we are gunna show Tampa, something is gunna happen.. What? Nothing.

Once Tampa said bring it, they came up small.

this is why people complain about AL baseball, because the pitcher is never in the box to face the other pitcher

[Kevin]

this is why people complain about AL baseball, because the pitcher is never in the box to face the other pitcher

Yea, agreed.

[RingWraith]

Did the Pirates get "an offer they couldn't refuse"????


Just wondering.

[Kevin]

Did the Pirates get "an offer they couldn't refuse"????


Just wondering.

We sent them a head of a dead Parrot.

[Friday]

i wanted Nady back on the Mets. I miss him. :(

enjoy ......

[Kevin]

i wanted Nady back on the Mets. I miss him. :(

enjoy ......

Eh, your team seems to be chugging along.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Was Nady the one who got injured in the car accident trying to get cuban food at 2am?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to sound like BDC, but Abraham said that Phil Coke actually might be the prospect in the deal that works out. He said he's been really improving and getting on a lot of people's radars.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to say it, but this might be one for Hbox's new blog:

"You've been traded to Pittsburgh."

[Friday]

Was Nady the one who got injured in the car accident trying to get cuban food at 2am?

Nope.
That was Duaner Sanchez (http://gothamist.com/2006/08/02/idiot_of_the_we.php)
Nady was traded to Pittsburgh the next day, before the injury was widely known, for pitchers Perez and Hernandez.

[ChrisTheCop]

Redsox are just a bunch of bullies. They loved all those years when they used to throw at us, and Torre would do shit. Nothing was wrong then. Now that the Yankees fight back, all of a sudden its not so funny.

Stop bitching and bring it. Youk is the posterchild of what they are all about. Whiney little bitches that do nothing when it comes down to it.

All that talk of oh we are gunna show Tampa, something is gunna happen.. What? Nothing.

Once Tampa said bring it, they came up small.

It wasnt the team that wanted Tampa's ass, it was our local thug Coco Crisp.
And MLB made sure that he wasnt around the next time he played them.

And as was said during that incident, complaining about being thrown at is silly, it is indeed part of the game. But throwing at someone's head is criminal.

Congrats on finally getting something out of the fat fuck, but he seriously lacks class.

[Kevin]

It wasnt the team that wanted Tampa's ass, it was our local thug Coco Crisp.
And MLB made sure that he wasnt around the next time he played them.

And as was said during that incident, complaining about being thrown at is silly, it is indeed part of the game. But throwing at someone's head is criminal.

Congrats on finally getting something out of the fat fuck, but he seriously lacks class.

ALOT of Sox talked about retribution and someone ding something to sheilds and Gomes. But nothing was done.

[HBox]

It wasnt the team that wanted Tampa's ass, it was our local thug Coco Crisp.
And MLB made sure that he wasnt around the next time he played them.

And as was said during that incident, complaining about being thrown at is silly, it is indeed part of the game. But throwing at someone's head is criminal.

Congrats on finally getting something out of the fat fuck, but he seriously lacks class.

I'm not going to type out all of the reasons people told Yankee fans to stop complaining about Jeter being thrown out, I'll just refer you to those while pointing out one difference: Chamberlain has yet to actually hit Youkilis with a pitch.

[HBox]

The Pirates trade was reconfigured. Instead of Kontos and Coke the Pirates are getting Jeff Karstens and Dan McCutchen.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm not going to type out all of the reasons people told Yankee fans to stop complaining about Jeter being thrown out, I'll just refer you to those while pointing out one difference: Chamberlain has yet to actually hit Youkilis with a pitch.

Youk does have great eyes, and reflexes. God bless him.

Hey! look at me!! I'm at the top of the page in a yankee thread!!!!

[Kevin]

The Pirates trade was reconfigured. Instead of Kontos and Coke the Pirates are getting Jeff Karstens and Dan McCutchen.

Fuck Karstens, but i don't know about McCutchen.. I heard good things about him.

[TheMojoPin]

That makes the trade more even. The Yankees still got the best "right now" deal, but the Pirates got a good return to build on.

[The Jays]

Wow, have not heard Herb thrown out there since my Jr high days. Nice work.


Herb is a great underused insult. I try to work it in whenever I'm really annoyed at someone.

[Towelie]

Yankees are close to getting Washburn.

Might be done by tonight

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/alarming02.jpg

[Kevin]

Fucking Arod. Strands the runner at 3rd then a error. Nice work. And cut that ball off

[TheGameHHH]

nice to see manny hustling down the line there.......cano had time to stop, pick his nose, then fire to first to complete the double play

[Kevin]

nice to see manny hustling down the line there.......cano had time to stop, pick his nose, then fire to first to complete the double play

I heard Manny complained when he was throw out, too.

[Kevin]

Come on boys, open this bitch up.

[TheGameHHH]

I heard Manny complained when he was throw out, too.

oh, thats just whacky manny being manny.....LOL LOL HAHAHA

[TheGameHHH]

nice at-bat there by the Captain.

[lleeder]

I can't handle the stress. Time for Marte's debut

[Doctor Z]

Looks like they're not holding #34 for Hughes, as they gave it to Marte.

[lleeder]

Hughes needs a fresh start nothing gets held for him til he bounces back.

[HBox]

Looks like Damon pulled his groin.

[lleeder]

That Nady deal came just in time if he did. That would have cost the Yanks a few more prospects.

[lleeder]

Guess Joba owes A-rod lunch. Or a hooker.

[Doctor Z]

Wow... Cano is seriously ridiculous right now.

[RingWraith]

One can only imagine if Cano performed like this all season for most of his career.

[HBox]

One can only imagine if Cano performed like this all season for most of his career.

He hit .306 last year and .342 the year before. He's great as is.

[lleeder]

Edwar looking good. The way this game started I thought the Yankees would be down 10-3 right now. Now that I said that he's throwing shitty.

[RingWraith]

He hit .306 last year and .342 the year before. He's great as is.

Very true! I just have to realize every hitter goes thru slumps. Especially early in the seasons.

[TheGameHHH]

you guys hear that? thats the sound of every sox fan shitting their pants as they exit fenway

[JPMNICK]

the bullpen has been looking great. i think that is the major difference

[Kevin]

He hit .306 last year and .342 the year before. He's great as is.

HE IS AN AVG PLAYER DAMMIT!!

[Kevin]

I'm surprised at AROD... I thought you have to act like a whiney little bitch, everytime you ge hit, or you make an out, or someone looks at you wrong.. or..

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm surprised at AROD... I thought you have to act like a whiney little bitch, everytime you ge hit, or you make an out, or someone looks at you wrong.. or..

nah, he does that on his off time these days.:wacko:

[Doctor Z]

So, this Nady fella came over with a .330 avg in the NL... I'd say that's good for at least a .275 avg in the AL.

[Kevin]

1 Ponson sucks. 2 That has to be a dp with slow Youkalis running

[Kevin]

Fucking DP Jeter.

[BoondockSaint]

Fucking DP Jeter.


I forgot that he was in to that.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm echoing Abraham's assessment right now but it's spot on, here's what you do with Ponson right now: "Leave him out there to suck up three more innings, DFA him tomorrow and trade for Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees were lucky they got what they did out of Ponson. His record is (and was with Texas) totally deceiving."

[ChrisTheCop]

Congrats on winning 2 outta 3.

Someone had to beat the yankees winning streak,
and I find it poetically fitting that it was The Red Sox.

See yuh in August at the stadium... perhaps our last games together there.:sad:

[BoondockSaint]

The Yankees have traded Hughes, Kennedy, Cano and Austin Jackson to the Blue Jays for Halladay and Wells. (http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=tor)

[Kevin]

The Yankees have traded Hughes, Kennedy, Cano and Austin Jackson to the Blue Jays for Halladay and Wells. (http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=tor)

Yea, not falling for that.

[BoondockSaint]

Yea, not falling for that.


You checked a couple of blogs first, though.

[Kevin]

You checked a couple of blogs first, though.

No comment..

[zildjian361]

in the famous words of Meatloaf. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.:bye:

[Knowledged_one]

down down down
Yankees goin down

Orioles magic re-starts tonight

[TheMojoPin]

I winder if KO's America-loving ever gets conflicted with his hatred of the most American sports franchise out there.

[Kevin]

down down down
Yankees goin down

Orioles magic re-starts tonight

THE MOOSE WILL GRAB THAT ORIOLE FROM THE SKY AND EAT IT!!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

the Yanks are due for a let down series

[Jujubees2]

THE MOOSE WILL GRAB THAT ORIOLE FROM THE SKY AND EAT IT!!

Um, Moose are vegetarians!

[Knowledged_one]

the Yanks are due for a let down series

oh here we go Jinxy McHippo to the yanks rescue :laugh:

[Knowledged_one]

Um, Moose are vegetarians!

its moosen, the plural of moose is moosen

[Kevin]

Um, Moose are vegetarians!

THIS MOOSE IS A REAL MAN!!

Or Moose..

[Knowledged_one]

I winder if KO's America-loving ever gets conflicted with his hatred of the most American sports franchise out there.

I just pretend they are the Tehran Yankees

It gets me by

[King Hippos Bandaid]

oh here we go Jinxy McHippo to the yanks rescue :laugh:

I really need Mo Rivera's Save points

[TheGameHHH]

well, its clear moose doesnt have it tonight

[Doctor Z]

Gotta even out that 8-game winning streak with a nice 6 or 7-game losing streak.

[sailor]

Gotta even out that 8-game winning streak with a nice 6 or 7-game losing streak.

that's not even.


call it the curse of the goose.

[Doctor Z]

Ned Nitpicker.

[ChrisTheCop]

I winder if KO's America-loving ever gets conflicted with his hatred of the most American sports franchise out there.

Thanks but, just cause our uniforms are red white and blue, I would never say one team is more American than another.

Why does KO hate The Sox? I thought he disliked the yanks.

[TheMojoPin]

Thanks but, just cause our uniforms are red white and blue, I would never say one team is more American than another.

Why does KO hate The Sox? I thought he disliked the yanks.

Silly.

[Knowledged_one]

the first of many was last night

Orioles magic see it happen

[Knowledged_one]

Thanks but, just cause our uniforms are red white and blue, I would never say one team is more American than another.

Why does KO hate The Sox? I thought he disliked the yanks.

Oh chris the cop my good red sox friend, if you must know i root for the Red Sox as well, simply because my dad is a *Gasp* die hard Yankee fan, so i root for the Sox as well to piss him off

If my dad posted on this message board about the yankees he would be the new BDC

[Doctor Z]

Oh chris the cop my good red sox friend, if you must know i root for the Red Sox as well, simply because my dad is a *Gasp* die hard Yankee fan, so i root for the Sox as well to piss him off

If my dad posted on this message board about the yankees he would be the new BDC

oooOOOhhhHHHH... Daddy issues.

It all makes sense now.

[Knowledged_one]

oooOOOhhhHHHH... Daddy issues.

It all makes sense now.

Good one Dr. Z you made me chuckle

Can anyone confirm that the yankees are shopping Peter Abraham for a blogger to be named later

[Kevin]

Good one Dr. Z you made me chuckle

Can anyone confirm that the yankees are shopping Peter Abraham for a blogger to be named later


Who are they, THE PIRATES? What other blogger has over one meeeellion hits?

[Knowledged_one]

Who are they, THE PIRATES? What other blogger has over one meeeellion hits?

Seriously as no joke, Roch Kubatko of the Baltimore Sun (who took the buyout just recently) gets more hits on his blog then any other Tribune owned papers (which includes the Cubs and a few other teams in big cities)

[Kevin]

Seriously as no joke, Roch Kubatko of the Baltimore Sun (who took the buyout just recently) gets more hits on his blog then any other Tribune owned papers (which includes the Cubs and a few other teams in big cities)

Yanks just signd him to a 10 year 350mil dollar deal.


TAKE THAT BALTIMORE...

or should i say.. BALTILESS!!!

[Doctor Z]

Anyone hearing this shit about Zach Grienke?

[Knowledged_one]

Yanks just signd him to a 10 year 350mil dollar deal.


TAKE THAT BALTIMORE...

or should i say.. BALTILESS!!!

Does that mean we get Peter Abraham and his BDC Parrot

[Kevin]

Anyone hearing this shit about Zach Grienke?

No, ESPN has turned into the 24hr Bret Favre channel.

What happen?

[Doctor Z]

Some horseshit about "ESPN Radio reporting yanks are close to trading for Zach Grienke for a package of prospects"...

[TheGameHHH]

I like Grienke......and Washburn. If they can get either one I'm fine with it.

[Kevin]

Some horseshit about "ESPN Radio reporting yanks are close to trading for Zach Grienke for a package of prospects"...

Grienkie is very good. He has great stuff and a power arm. Depends on the prospects they give.

[Doctor Z]

FUCKIN' Angels... Best record in baseball and they just got better.

Ugh...

[TheGameHHH]

FUCKIN' Angels... Best record in baseball and they just got better.

Ugh...

yea, that trade stings a little. they have very good pitching though at times it seemed their line-up could slump but with the addition of Tex they seem super nasty on paper.

[Kevin]

yea, that trade stings a little. they have very good pitching though at times it seemed their line-up could slump but with the addition of Tex they seem super nasty on paper.


Eh, Texiera is OK. He isnt that great. Good move by them though.

[Kevin]

Soooo.. Yanks are back to hitting the crap out of the ball again, eh?

[Kevin]

Yea.. Marte sure did his job tonight..

[HBox]

This board may not be a cesspool of negativity but this thread certainly is.

[Kevin]

This board may not be a cesspool of negativity but this thread certainly is.

Hasn't it been for years?

[TheGameHHH]

wow, blue balls

[Kevin]

9th

B Abreu doubled to left, J Damon scored, D Jeter to third. 7 4
A Rodriguez struck out swinging. 7 4
J Giambi singled to center, D Jeter and B Abreu scored.

Nice work, yet again, by Mojo's 'clutch Rod'.

Here goes Mojo with meaningless, hey i don't watch the games but i have stats that don't tell any of the story of how unclutch Arod is, but he is clutch because these meaningless stats say he is.. Stats..

[HBox]

Did you not watch the Yankees when A-Rod was out this season? There was a wonderful offensive team. A-Rod is fine. He's having a bad season this year with runners in scoring position. For his career he bats .304 with a .959 OPS with runners in scoring position. Late and close he bats .278 with a .909 OPS. Super Duper God of Clutch David Ortiz bats .285 with a .959 OPS in the same position.

[Kevin]

Did you not watch the Yankees when A-Rod was out this season? There was a wonderful offensive team. A-Rod is fine. He's having a bad season this year with runners in scoring position. For his career he bats .304 with a .959 OPS with runners in scoring position. Late and close he bats .278 with a .909 OPS. Super Duper God of Clutch David Ortiz bats .285 with a .959 OPS in the same position.

There goes those stats.

Alot of those #s were raised last year when he was going for his contract.. And guess what, once again he and the team came up small again when it counted in Oct.

The Sunday game in Fenway. Lester just walked Abreu to bring home a run.. He throws ball1 to Arod.. HEY LET ME SWING AT THE NEXT PITCH AND make an out. NICE WORK.

I don't give a SHIT what his #s say. HE COMES UP SMALL IN BIG SPOTS.

And please do not compare him to Ortiz. I hate the Redsox, but Ortiz is 10BILLION times more clucth.

God i hate when people bring up stats. THEY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

Arod is the posterboy of this entire team since 2000. Flashy well payed big names with great stats on paper, who come up small every year when it counts.

[sailor]

anecdotal evidence always trumps facts, i say.

[Kevin]

I love when the announcers say, oh oh the weather is getting warm, so the Yankees are hitting..

HEY GUESS WHAT, GAMES IN OCT IN NY ARE PLAYED IN COLD WEATHER.

[HBox]

There goes those stats.

Alot of those #s were raised last year when he was going for his contract.. And guess what, once again he and the team came up small again when it counted in Oct.

The Sunday game in Fenway. Lester just walked Abreu to bring home a run.. He throws ball1 to Arod.. HEY LET ME SWING AT THE NEXT PITCH AND make an out. NICE WORK.

I don't give a SHIT what his #s say. HE COMES UP SMALL IN BIG SPOTS.

And please do not compare him to Ortiz. I hate the Redsox, but Ortiz is 10BILLION times more clucth.

God i hate when people bring up stats. THEY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

Arod is the posterboy of this entire team since 2000. Flashy well payed big names with great stats on paper, who come up small every year when it counts.

Alex Rodriguez has been playing for 15 years. It's impossible in one year to erase 14 years of bad numbers. He is simply much better than you give him credit for.

And I watch Yankee games too. I just don't sit and stew on every moment a Yankee fails and let it erase everything good a player does.

[Kevin]

Alex Rodriguez has been playing for 15 years. It's impossible in one year to erase 14 years of bad numbers. He is simply much better than you give him credit for.

And I watch Yankee games too. I just don't sit and stew on every moment a Yankee fails and let it erase everything good a player does.

Boxy, i am not screaming at you i hope its not coming off like it.

But i am just tired of this team right now. Its not just a one or 2 game thing with this team. They are a big C tease. Just when you think they have it. WHAM they pull this shit.

Arod is a fantastic player and could be the best all around ever. But he is just so frustrating.

[TheMojoPin]

God i hate when people bring up stats. THEY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

Actually, they do.

Alright, technically they don't, but they're infinitely closer to doing that than what people think they see or hear. It's not even close.

It's not like the numbers come out of nowhere or are made up. They're based on results.

[Kevin]

Actually, they do.

Alright, technically they don't, but they're infinitely closer to doing that than what people think they see or hear. It's not even close.

It's not like the numbers come out of nowhere or are made up. They're based on results.

Results can be misconstrued like this year.. Carlos Delgado has the most rbi's against the Yankees with 12.. Now people who just see that will say, WOW he kills the Yankees. But when you see he had 9 on 1 game, you say hum i guess not.

A player can have a great game or 2 and his stats for that week could be fantastic, but the rest of the week could suck ass.

[HBox]

Boxy, i am not screaming at you i hope its not coming off like it.

But i am just tired of this team right now. Its not just a one or 2 game thing with this team. They are a big C tease. Just when you think they have it. WHAM they pull this shit.

Arod is a fantastic player and could be the best all around ever. But he is just so frustrating.

I'm just trying to be a beacon of light and positivity in this cesspool of negativity. No big deal.

The Yanks can't beat the Orioles lately. No big deal. They just took 8 of 9 from their chief wild card rivals. Keep perspective.

[HBox]

Results can be miscuntrued like this year.. Carlos Delgado has the most rbi's against the Yankees with 12.. Now people who just see that will say, WOW he kills the Yankees. But when you see he had 9 on 1 game, you say hum i guess not.

A player can have a great game or 2 and his stats for that week could be fantastic, but the rest of the week could suck ass.

Those kinds of short term noise are erased the longer the period the stats are for. You can't necessarily tell anything from a game, or 12. You can tell a bit more from a month. You can tell a lot more from a year. You can get a complete picture of a player when you look all the stats from a player's 15 year career.

[TheMojoPin]

Results can be miscuntrued like this year.. Carlos Delgado has the most rbi's against the Yankees with 12.. Now people who just see that will say, WOW he kills the Yankees. But when you see he had 9 on 1 game, you say hum i guess not.

A player can have a great game or 2 and his stats for that week could be fantastic, but the rest of the week could suck ass.

But we're talking great career numbers over a 15-year career. You're talking limited sample size. Even if he's declining in some areas, it's nowhere near the level to have severely impacted those numbers yet, which indicates he's not even having a "bad season." His clutch stats are still above average or better in all but one common scenario, and even then he has a 726 .OPS.

CLUTCH-ROD RULES.

[Kevin]

Those kinds of short term noise are erased the longer the period the stats are for. You can't necessarily tell anything from a game, or 12. You can tell a bit more from a month. You can tell a lot more from a year. You can get a complete picture of a player when you look all the stats from a player's 15 year career.

You would be a fool to say Arod is not a legendary player, just like you would say the same for Ted Williams or to a less extent Patrick Ewing. But if you see what they have done in big spots, they just did not do well when it counted. Ted Williams had TERRIBLE stats in the post season. It does not mean he was not legendary.

[Kevin]

But we're talking great career numbers over a 15-year career. You're talking limited sample size. Even if he's declining in some areas, it's nowhere near the level to have severely impacted those numbers yet, which indicates he's not even having a "bad season." His clutch stats are still above average or better in all but one common scenario, and even then he has a 726 .OPS.

CLUTCH-ROD RULES.

He hits like 220 with RISP this year..

[HBox]

A-Rod career splits:

Clutch Stats
Direct Link
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=00#situa-clutc)
I Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF ROE GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
2 outs, RISP 847 1057 870 237 34 2 50 344 162 37 206 25 0 0 11 0 27 2 .272 .401 .489 .890 .305 88 2 outs, RISP
Late & Close 883 1174 1001 278 58 3 63 210 145 25 239 16 4 8 14 28 48 11 .278 .375 .530 .906 .304 88 Late & Close
Tie Game 1624 2521 2140 638 131 5 150 412 323 20 473 37 7 14 30 49 78 19 .298 .397 .574 .971 .319 101 Tie Game
Within 1 R 1874 4428 3779 1149 220 11 273 759 534 42 800 72 14 29 56 87 159 37 .304 .398 .585 .982 .320 103 Within 1 R
Within 2 R 1939 5803 4993 1501 275 14 340 970 674 52 1055 84 15 37 70 110 208 54 .301 .390 .566 .956 .319 98 Within 2 R
Within 3 R 1961 6804 5876 1794 324 18 411 1168 765 60 1230 102 16 45 81 129 234 59 .305 .392 .576 .968 .323 100 Within 3 R
Within 4 R 1972 7493 6480 1984 361 22 457 1311 823 63 1367 113 16 61 88 143 260 63 .306 .391 .580 .971 .324 101 Within 4 R
Margin > 4 R 756 1353 1186 368 56 4 82 254 130 14 222 21 0 16 19 34 20 2 .310 .384 .572 .955 .318 98 Margin > 4 R

Late & Close are PA in the 7th or later with the batting team tied, ahead by one, or the tying run at least on deck.

[HBox]

A-Rod this year:

Clutch Stats
Direct Link (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=2008#situa-clutc)

I Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF ROE GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip (http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/pi_glossary.shtml#babip) sOPS+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/pi_glossary.shtml#lops) tOPS+ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/pi_glossary.shtml#pops) Split
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
2 outs, RISP 45 58 43 10 0 0 3 16 12 5 14 3 0 0 0 0 2 0 .233 .431 .442 .873 .269 141 81 2 outs, RISP
Late & Close 37 50 41 9 3 0 1 4 8 4 11 1 0 0 2 1 3 1 .220 .360 .366 .726 .276 103 51 Late & Close
Tie Game 71 122 105 28 10 0 4 16 16 3 24 0 0 1 0 4 5 1 .267 .361 .476 .837 .308 126 70 Tie Game
Within 1 R 82 206 174 48 14 0 7 27 27 5 42 3 0 2 2 4 13 1 .276 .379 .477 .856 .323 130 74 Within 1 R
Within 2 R 83 260 219 63 17 0 9 36 34 6 49 5 0 2 3 4 14 1 .288 .392 .489 .881 .331 137 80 Within 2 R
Within 3 R 83 294 252 76 18 0 13 42 35 6 57 5 0 2 3 4 14 1 .302 .395 .528 .922 .342 146 87 Within 3 R
Within 4 R 84 316 272 83 18 0 15 48 35 6 57 6 0 3 3 4 14 1 .305 .392 .537 .929 .335 147 88 Within 4 R
Margin > 4 R 30 48 44 19 4 0 6 14 3 1 8 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 .432 .479 .932 1.411 .433 279 176 Margin > 4 R
You are going to have to visit the link to see this formatted. He's a little worse this year, but he's still good and has always been very good.

[TheMojoPin]

He hits like 220 with RISP this year..

Dude, you need to stop hinging on batting average. Look at his OPS at the very least. Look at his sOPS. He's a very good clutch hitter at the worst.

[Doctor Z]

Gotta even out that 8-game winning streak with a nice 6 or 7-game losing streak.

Ah yes... So far, everything is going according to plan.

[TheGameHHH]

Results can be misconstrued like this year.. Carlos Delgado has the most rbi's against the Yankees with 12.. Now people who just see that will say, WOW he kills the Yankees. But when you see he had 9 on 1 game, you say hum i guess not.

A player can have a great game or 2 and his stats for that week could be fantastic, but the rest of the week could suck ass.

you're misunderstanding the concept of sample sizes

[TheMojoPin]

Kevin's post count says he has 12,150, but I KNOW I've only seen 9,460.

[Kevin]

Kevin's post count says he has 12,150, but I KNOW I've only seen 9,460.

out of all those posts. 200 were any good..

[A.J.]

Ted Williams had TERRIBLE stats in the post season. It does not mean he was not legendary.

He got to the post season once (1946) and he was hurt during that series.

[Knowledged_one]

out of all those posts. 200 were any good..

You are short changing yourself you have at least 207 good ones

[Knowledged_one]

http://www.rotorob.com/uploaded_images/Daniel_Cabrera-763844.jpg

Yankee killer

[Kevin]

He got to the post season once (1946) and he was hurt during that series.


Thats just Teddy being Teddy

[Knowledged_one]

Going for the sweepy sweepy today

[TheGameHHH]

gotta love Abreu arguing with the ump when he was called safe.

[Kevin]

gotta love Abreu arguing with the ump when he was called safe.


That was funny stuff. Leave it to Arod to get a hit with RISP to show me up.

[Doctor Z]

Mmmback to back! And a belly to belly ahh!

[Knowledged_one]

2 out of 3 aint bad

[TheGameHHH]

id appreciate if they stopped scoring runs now so they could save a few for the angels. i really dont wanna lose 4 straight to those guys.

[ChrisTheCop]

id appreciate if they stopped scoring runs now so they could save a few for the angels. i really dont wanna lose 4 straight to those guys.

I hear ya!

But, this is good news for us too. It CAN be done!!!!

Joba's actually finally becoming what he was supposed to be, eh? Congrats.

[Kevin]

I hear ya!

But, this is good news for us too. It CAN be done!!!!

Joba's actually finally becoming what he was supposed to be, eh? Congrats.


Naaaa, id rather pitch him 1inning every 2 or 3 days.

[Kevin]

Joe and Evan are saying there is a huge Yankees trade about to go down

[K.C.]

Yankees acquire Ivan Rodriguez for Kyle Farnsworth.


WTF!!!!


That may be the worst trade in the history of trade. Tigers are retarded.

[Doctor Z]

Nothing's official yet, but...

Holy Flapjacks...

[K.C.]

Nothing's official yet, but...

Holy Flapjacks...


Buster Olney confirmed it on ESPN. It's official.

[TheGameHHH]

i love this move. i hate farnsworth and pudge is def. an upgrade from Chad Moeller.

[Doctor Z]

Wow.

[Kevin]

Wow. What a fucking deal

[Doctor Z]

....WOW.

[ChrisTheCop]

i love this move. i hate farnsworth and pudge is def. an upgrade from Chad Moeller.

and they say I stream too much in my fantasy league.

[FunkyDrummer]

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511535)

[TheGameHHH]

and they say I stream too much in my fantasy league.

im not sure i follow you here..........i get what streaming is, but how am I doing it here?

[Doctor Z]

.HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!

[JerseyRich]

Finally! The Yankees Are Farnsworth Free!


Welcome Pudge!

[ChrisTheCop]

im not sure i follow you here..........i get what streaming is, but how am I doing it here?

Not YOU...the yankees!
(streaming in fantasy is dropping bad players and picking up good ones every day)

My point being, they already had their blockbuster trade earlier this week!!

[Doctor Z]

What... the... HELL...

DID CASHMAN SAY???

...TO CONVINCE THE TIGERS THAT THIS MADE SENSE?!!?

[TheMojoPin]

There's gotta be a PTBNL or cash or something else going.

What kind of deal is Pudge locked into? Unless the Tigers were trying to get out of a hefty contract, this is nuts.

[K.C.]

Seriously...can someone name me just ONE reason why the hell Detroit would make this trade???

Even if they were salary dumping (which makes no sense for a reason), they can't do better than Farnsworth???????

Ridiculous.

Cashman has now stolen a starting left-fielder, a 7th-8th inning middle reliever, and a starting catcher for essentially one good prospect (Tabata).

[Kevin]

There's gotta be a PTBNL or cash or something else going.

What kind of deal is Pudge locked into? Unless the Tigers were trying to get out of a hefty contract, this is nuts.


He is a FA after this year.

[Doctor Z]

Blackmail? Hypnotism? A chloroform rag?

HOW DID HE DO IT?!

[K.C.]

He is a FA after this year.

So is Farnsworth. If they swap contracts, the Tigers at best essentially save like two million the rest of the season (if you prorate the contracts to this point).


This is almost as bad as the Pirates acquiring Matt Morris and his huge contract last year at the deadline when they were in last place.

The Tigers are absolutely retarded.

[TheGameHHH]

He is a FA after this year.

Type A as well, which i think means if he leaves they get picks. am i right?

[TheGameHHH]

Not YOU...the yankees!
(streaming in fantasy is dropping bad players and picking up good ones every day)

My point being, they already had their blockbuster trade earlier this week!!

alright i got you now, i couldnt figure out how i was possibly streaming with what i said before since we weren't discussing fantasy or anything.

[K.C.]

The only way this could get better for the Yankees is if the Tigers flip Farnsworth to the Red Sox for Manny.

[Kevin]

Type A as well, which i think means if he leaves they get picks. am i right?

Yep. Great deal all around.

[spadanko]

it's amazing how teams just get robbed every time they deal with the yanks

[ChrisTheCop]

The only way this could get better for the Yankees is if the Tigers flip Farnsworth to the Red Sox for Manny.

How DAAAAARE you sir!

[TheGameHHH]

it's amazing how teams just get robbed every time they deal with the yanks

which is a sign of how good of a GM Cashman is. he's the one responsible for making these deals, its not like he drugs other GMs and then steals their players.

[K.C.]

ts not like he drugs other GMs and then steals their players.


It's not?????

Pudge Rodriguez for FARNSWORTH!!!

Cashman must have revived the Five Families and dispatched them to Detroit to make a few offers they couldn't refuse.

[TheMojoPin]

I'll be stunned if there's not cash or a PTBNL eventually reported.

[TheGameHHH]

I'll be stunned if there's not cash or a PTBNL eventually reported.

every media outlet i've seen so far is reporting a full on one-to-one swap.

[Doctor Z]

Brian Cashman may be responsible for some of the worst pitching signings in the history of baseball...

But this trade makes him look like a genius.


...And a master of deception.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't understand why the Tigers would make this trade AT ALL. There must be something else to it. What on Earth are the tigers going to do with Farnsworth?! My guess is they're going to turn around and dump him somewhere else, but they should have simply gotten more from the Yanks for Pudge.

I agree with what was stated above.. this makes as little sense as the Pirates getting Matt Morris.

Edit: Was someone in the tigers front office saying, "We're 5.5 games out. I think we're one mediocare middle reliever away from taking this thing. Let's trade our catcher for him!"

[JPMNICK]

this is an amazing trade, but i was getting used to Molina behind the plate.

[Doctor Z]

I don't think Pudge will be the every day catcher. He's 37 and was already sharing time behind the plate with Inge. With Molina throwing out runners at the rate he's been going, I could see him and Pudge platooning the position.

[FezsAssistant]

For his next magic act, Cashman will trade Igawa for Ben Sheets. Straight up.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think Pudge will be the every day catcher. He's 37 and was already sharing time behind the plate with Inge. I could see him and Molina platooning the position.

Still a complete steal and a good addition. The Yankees solidified their catching situation for a decent reliever.

[JerseyRich]

I don't think Pudge will be the every day catcher. He's 37 and was already sharing time behind the plate with Inge. With Molina throwing out runners at the rate he's been going, I could see him and Pudge platooning the position.

Exactly.

It's Chad Moehler that's going to be saying goodbye...It'll be a shared job with Pudge and Molina.

I think this just makes the Yankees so much better right now. Pudge played with A-Rod in Texas...probably gets along with EVERYONE...and Farsworth is finally out!

[foodcourtdruide]

Exactly.

It's Chad Moehler that's going to be saying goodbye...It'll be a shared job with Pudge and Molina.

I think this just makes the Yankees so much better right now. Pudge played with A-Rod in Texas...probably gets along with EVERYONE...and Farsworth is finally out!

"So much better"? I'm not sure. Pudge isn't exactly the Pudge of '00 and you did lose some bullpen depth. But it definitely makes you better.

[JerseyRich]

"So much better"? I'm not sure. Pudge isn't exactly the Pudge of '00 and you did lose some bullpen depth. But it definitely makes you better.

Can I at least get a "much better?" :smile:

[foodcourtdruide]

Can I at least get a "much better?" :smile:

"sorta better"?

[JerseyRich]

"sorta better"?

I'll take your original offer of "better."

[K.C.]

"So much better"? I'm not sure. Pudge isn't exactly the Pudge of '00 and you did lose some bullpen depth. But it definitely makes you better.

The guy's hitting .295.

For a seven hole hitter in that Yankee lineup, that's a pretty damn good upgrade.

He doesn't have the home run pop anymore, but he'll drive in his fair share of runs the rest of the way, with that lineup.

[HBox]

Having Posada all these years may have skewed a lot of Yankee fans opinions on what kind of offense to expect from an average MLB catcher.

[foodcourtdruide]

The guy's hitting .295.

For a seven hole hitter in that Yankee lineup, that's a pretty damn good upgrade.

He doesn't have the home run pop anymore, but he'll drive in his fair share of runs the rest of the way, with that lineup.

.295 with no pop is Luis Castillo +10 singles.

[Kevin]

Another white guy traded for a lat... Oh wait... Wrong NY team

[Kevin]

.295 with no pop is Luis Castillo +10 singles.


pudge does not get hurt every 2weeks and 295 for a Catcher is much different than 295 for any other pos player

[foodcourtdruide]

pudge does not get hurt every 2weeks and 295 for a Catcher is much different than 295 for any other pos player

I'm not saying Pudge isn't a better player than Castillo, I'm a Mets fan, you don't have to tell me how terrible Castillo is. I'm just saying .295 with no pop isn't a HUGE difference between .230 with no pop (roughly what the Yankees have now). It's DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY an improvement, but not the difference between finishing second and a pennant, especially considering you gave up bullpen depth.

Ok, please let me shut up. This was a very good trade and I'm over analyzing.

[Kevin]

Pudge may not have the arm that he had but its still good. He and Molina shut down the running game. And that is huge in big games. Brian Roberts would KILL us when he got on. At times stealing 2nd and 3rd. He did not even think about running against Molina.

[Doctor Z]

Cashman's taking out the trash! (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3226391&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

I can't believe ANYONE was interested in Hawkins. What the fuck is Cashman slipping in these GM's drinks?

[K.C.]

This may be the best day to be a Yankee fan since they won that game at Fenway in 2004 to go up 3-0 in the LCS.

-Dump the trash that is Kyle Farnsworth
-Get Pudge Rodriguez
-Actually find someone to take LaTroy Hawkins (another piece of garbage)
-Bludgeon the Orioles 13-3
-See Manny Ramirez depart the AL East for good.

[Kevin]

Did the Ramirez deal happen?

[K.C.]

Did the Ramirez deal happen?

According to several sources, all he has to do is waive his no-trade. Deal is done.

[RingWraith]

Cashman's taking out the trash! (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3226391&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

I can't believe ANYONE was interested in Hawkins. What the fuck is Cashman slipping in these GM's drinks?


I think Brian Cashman visits other GM's with Luca Brasi, and gives them "Offers they can't refuse".

Now I have The Godfather Theme stuck in my head.

[A.J.]

I think Brian Cashman visits other GM's with Luca Brasi, and gives them "Offers they can't refuse".

Now I have The Godfather Theme stuck in my head.

But Theo Epstein said to him "I ain't no bandleader."

[Knowledged_one]

Cashman's taking out the trash! (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3226391&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

I can't believe ANYONE was interested in Hawkins. What the fuck is Cashman slipping in these GM's drinks?

are you kidding any team would be glad to have Hawkins since he was signed to just a one year deal that alone makes him worth it

[sailor]

are you kidding any team would be glad to have Hawkins since he was signed to just a one year deal that alone makes him worth it

yeah, any fool would gladly trade a prospect for a reliever with an almost 6 era. you can't find those just anywhere.

[Kevin]

Kontos faced Pittsburgh's Double-A affiliate, the Altoona Curve, and struck out a career-high 13 batters over eight innings of one-hit ball. He did not factor in the decision as the Thunder eked out a 1-0 win in the 10th on the strength of James Cooper's two-out RBI double.

He was in the Originally Nady Marte deal and the Pirates gave him back.. He did that after the trade.

Way to go Pirates.

[TheGameHHH]

i dont know about you guys but i think Pudge looks damn good rockin' those pinstripes.

[Kevin]

How the fuck do you fall for the Jeff Nelson when you are on 2b????

[Kevin]

Wow, that was an AWFUL throw.

[Kevin]

Nice pitching there tonight, Andy.

[Kevin]

Did Pudge really just get Boo'd after his 1st at bat??

[TheGameHHH]

i guess this is a good night for me to finish the rest of my school work, this game is going on mute now.

[BinaryBimbo]

I'm not saying Pudge isn't a better player than Castillo, I'm a Mets fan, you don't have to tell me how terrible Castillo is. I'm just saying .295 with no pop isn't a HUGE difference between .230 with no pop (roughly what the Yankees have now). It's DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY an improvement, but not the difference between finishing second and a pennant, especially considering you gave up bullpen depth.

Ok, please let me shut up. This was a very good trade and I'm over analyzing.

Being from the Detroit area I have to say the Yankees got the best deal here, and the Tigers as much as admit defeat by dealing him now. Crap we traded him for a pitcher we got rid of not too long ago. I'm happy for him; he was a class act here and helped our teams credibility tremendously when he arrived.

[ChrisTheCop]

Did Pudge really just get Boo'd after his 1st at bat??

I mentioned this during the all star game.
yankee fans dont understand the whole who to boo thing.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the "Farnsworthless" tag should be removed... because in the end, he was a worth a Hall of Famer.

[ChrisTheCop]

I think the "Farnsworthless" tag should be removed... because in the end, he was a worth a Hall of Famer.

But the team is now, thankfully, Farnsworthless.

[Kevin]

I think the "Farnsworthless" tag should be removed... because in the end, he was a worth a Hall of Famer.

Have fun with the post Manny Era:bye:

[Knowledged_one]

Yankees still have 9 more games in the last 54 against the Angels

Might not bode well for the Yanks

[TheGameHHH]

In my head I have a list of about 500 pitchers I'd rather throw against the Angels tonight instead of Ponson, this includes kids I played Little League with.

[Kevin]

No matter who they get, this teams continue to score those runs....

[Doctor Z]

http://homepage.mac.com/horseshack/.Pictures/YogiOffense.jpg

[Kevin]

I think Giambi may have been tipped off on an impending drug test, because he has been AWFUL!

[TheGameHHH]

I think Giambi may have been tipped off on an impending drug test, because he has been AWFUL!

time to shave the 'stache

[Kevin]

time to shave the 'stache

You may be right.

[Kevin]

I thought Marte threw harder than 90-91, but he looked pretty damn good there.

[Kevin]

OH OH.. MO in a non save..

[Doctor Z]

It's kind've mind-boggling how much Mariano sucks in non-save situations. A loss like this could bury our season.

[Kevin]

Hey Girardi.....






















































STOP FUCKING PUTTING HIM IN NON FUCKING SAVE SITUATIONS.


THANK YOU

[TheGameHHH]

yea, who knows what it is? probably a fluke, but you simply can't use the guy in non-saves anymore.

[Kevin]

yea, who knows what it is? probably a fluke, but you simply can't use the guy in non-saves anymore.

That was a great at bat there to lead off the inning by A...


OH wait.. HE IS CLUCTH. WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT.

This team is playing great, the bats are clicking.. They are really taking advantage of the Redsox not playing great baseball..


YOU HAVE TO STAY OPTIMISTIC. CANT BE NEGATIVE!!!

[Doctor Z]

We're really doing a hell of a job at completely reversing that 8-game winning streak.

[Doctor Z]

On an unrelated note, I took this shot last night. It was completely candid and unplanned, but it turned out to be the coolest picture I've ever taken.

http://homepage.mac.com/horseshack/.Pictures/FreddySez_1.jpg

[Kevin]

We're really doing a hell of a job at completely reversing that 8-game winning streak.

STAY OPTIMISTIC!!!!

[cougarjake13]

STAY OPTIMISTIC!!!!

they'll win another 8 in a row after that

[Kevin]

they'll win another 8 in a row after that

THAT'S THE TICKET!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

On an unrelated note, I took this shot last night. It was completely candid and unplanned, but it turned out to be the coolest picture I've ever taken.

http://homepage.mac.com/horseshack/.Pictures/FreddySez_1.jpg

You have no idea how much that picture depresses me... I've always wondered about Freddy... if he has a family, or if his life is just the Yankees and that pan.

He looks alone and broken. It's haunting.

[Doctor Z]

if he has a family, or if his life is just the Yankees and that pan.

Probably the latter, but... that's what makes Freddy Freddy.

[sailor]

You have no idea how much that picture depresses me... I've always wondered about Freddy... if he has a family, or if his life is just the Yankees and that pan.

He looks alone and broken. It's haunting.

he also goes to manhattan college and forham games.

[Kevin]

Nice inning wrecker there, double play Jeter

[TheGameHHH]

Is Good. Aside from Santana making him look like a tool last night, Bobby's been on fire as of late.

[Kevin]

Is Good. Aside from Santana making him look like a tool last night, Bobby's been on fire as of late.


Is good!

[Doctor Z]

Mussina with the socks up today, very interesting.

[TheGameHHH]

some runs today, what a nice little treat

[Kevin]

some runs today, what a nice little treat


We could not have used that HR from Arod, last night.

[sailor]

We could not have used that HR from Arod, last night.

would you be happier as a sox fan, gloomy gus?

[Kevin]

would you be happier as a sox fan, gloomy gus?


Just sayin. And if stupid Giambi scoops up that ball, this would been a shutout.

[cougarjake13]

Just sayin. And if stupid Giambi scoops up that ball, this would been a shutout.

win is win , no ??

[Kevin]

win is win , no ??


I was being sarcastic on that one.

[Kevin]

Molina to Pudge. Get your shit together.

[TheGameHHH]

if fuckin Moose would have just struck everybody out, this would be a perfect game right now.

[cougarjake13]

I was being sarcastic on that one.

sorry didnt see the tags

[Kevin]

if fuckin Moose would have just struck everybody out, this would be a perfect game right now.


Right? Fucking bum.

[TheGameHHH]

Right? Fucking bum.

at least that useless bag of shit picked up a win today

[cougarjake13]

at least that useless bag of shit picked up a win today

he'll get to 19 and then wont win another game

[TheGameHHH]

he'll get to 19 and then wont win another game

I would actually love it if he was pitching for his 20th win, took a no-hitter into the 9th with two outs, walked a guy while up 1-0 then let up a 2-run home run and got the loss. that would pretty much sum up his career right there.

[Kevin]

I would actually love it if he was pitching for his 20th win, took a no-hitter into the 9th with two outs, walked a guy while up 1-0 then let up a 2-run home run and got the loss. that would pretty much sum up his career right there.


Yep, that would be Mr Almost in a nutshell.

[Doctor Z]

Dude could easily have 15-16 wins right now, if this team would've scored some runs for him in all those games he lost 3-2 and 2-0.

[TheGameHHH]

Dude could easily have 15-16 wins right now, if this team would've scored some runs for him in all those games he lost 3-2 and 2-0.

that doesnt bother me because it happens to every pitcher in the majors. jobe could be like 8-0 right now. wins and losses dont mean shit, just ask Mojo.

[TheMojoPin]

that doesnt bother me because it happens to every pitcher in the majors. jobe could be like 8-0 right now. wins and losses dont mean shit, just ask Mojo.

Yeah, it's crazy, it's almost like the pitching stats for him that have any actual meaning would be just the same. Oh, wait...that's really how it is.

[ChrisTheCop]

would you be happier as a sox fan, gloomy gus?

That really doesnt make sense as an insult, does it?
The Sox are in second place.
Wouldnt someone automatically be happier in 2nd than 3rd?

It's CLOSER to first, yeah???

Also, The Sox have been in first this year, and we were as happy then as we are now and will be even happier in a few games when we're back in first.

So, to ask someone if theyd be happier rooting for a team thats doing better,
is just silly, no? Of course they would!

Unless you just love your team regardless of where they place, and thats possible.
(As in my love for The Sox for 30 some odd)
But reading this thread, I dont find that to be the case.

So my answer to your question is a resounding,
Yes. Yes he would.

[sailor]

i meant he's very reminiscent of the "woe is me" pre-'04 sox fan. think debbie downer dropping her r's.

[Kevin]

For all those who say Cashman did such a fantastic job, just look at who is on the fucking mound. This team is not doing jack shit with Ponson and this douche as 4th and 5th. I dont care how many hitters you have.

[cougarjake13]

For all those who say Cashman did such a fantastic job, just look at who is on the fucking mound. This team is not doing jack shit with Ponson and this douche as 4th and 5th. I dont care how many hitters you have.

well they were trying to get washburn, not sure what happened there

[Kevin]

well they were trying to get washburn, not sure what happened there


You can live with 1 of them with a solid 4, but not both.

[cougarjake13]

You can live with 1 of them with a solid 4, but not both.

well they still have til the waiver deadline later this month, they could still get something done