UFC/MMA Discussion

[Snacks]

The Masvidal fight was shit.

Manhoef-Kennedy was fun while it lasted. But then Melvin decided to be Melvin. Does Holland know BJJ is a thing?

I didn't watch the women.

Hendo-Feijao kicked a substantial amount of ass. Yeah, there was a lot of Team Quest cage leaning, but it was punctuated with a bunch awesome grappling and some really dramatic exchanges.

I thought the hendo fight was boring as shit. They had to stand them or move them away from the cage to center cage 3 or 4 times. That punch barley grazed him. They kept saying he landed it, he really didnt. It looked like the mat caused any damage if there really was any at all.

[StanUpshaw]

I have a feeling you are in the minority with that opinion.

[Dirtbag]

Manhoef should go train with Greg Jackson. Melvin Guilliard used to be the exact same type of fighter - massive KO power, no sub game to speak of - and Jackson really turned him around.

[Snacks]

I have a feeling you are in the minority with that opinion.

you could be right. wouldnt be the first time!

[StanUpshaw]

This MUST happen. (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/8/2038610/fedor-considering-move-to-205-willing-to-fight-dan-henderson)

[Snacks]

This MUST happen. (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/8/2038610/fedor-considering-move-to-205-willing-to-fight-dan-henderson)

You think a guy that has lost 2 straight times deserves a title fight at a different weight class when others that fight in that weight class now have to wait?

He should have to fight someone else at 205 first then, maybe he should be allowed a title shot.

[StanUpshaw]

This is Strikeforce. I don't give the slightest fuck about their belts.

But let's pretend I did care. Who deserves a shot? Mike Kyle? Some UFC washout like Vera or Babalu? Fuck that. Strikeforce has built up three 205 stars, and they've all won the belt and immediately lost it. No one has a case that they actually deserve a title shot.


But like I said: A Strikeforce title is as meaningless as KOTC or Sengoku's. I care about seeing the best matchups possible. Fedor-Hendo is one we never saw in Pride, and at this point in their careers, neither should have to fight in anything but killer main events.

[StanUpshaw]

Zuffa just bought Strikeforce.

Holy christ.

[StanUpshaw]

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Zuffa just bought Strikeforce.

Holy christ.

Hold on. You never know who could be lurking in the background.

http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/shane-mcmahon.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Hold on. You never know who could be lurking in the background.

http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/shane-mcmahon.jpg

i thought he left the wwe a few years back to join dana in ufc ??

[Tenbatsuzen]

i thought he left the wwe a few years back to join dana in ufc ??

No, according to triple H he's doing some shit about bringing PPV to China.

That said, according to Jon Jones' tweets just now, he just fucked up a crackhead in Newark for stealing a ladies' GPS out of her car. Dead serious.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/8bMZQ.jpg

He's gonna get his balls sued off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Aaaand Jones is on TMZ. Dana must be loving this shit. He's GOTTA win tonight.

Just a dumb question: Why is the guy who is fighting in the Main Event tonight doing in PATERSON NJ?!

[StanUpshaw]

Potential outcomes in order of personal preference:

1. Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with Shogun finally getting a sub/(t)ko

2. Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with Jones finally getting a sub/(t)ko

3. Short, one sided humbling by Shogun

4. 5-round decision for Shogun via cautious, low-risk strategic kickboxing





Potential outcomes in order of statistical probability:

66% Short, one sided humbling by Jones

15% Someone gets clipped and the ref stops it too early

10% 5 round decision by Jones...Jones scores lots of takedowns, but Shogun can control off his back well enough to avoid death from elbows

5% 5-round decision for Shogun via cautious, low-risk strategic kickboxing

2% Short, one sided humbling by Shogun

1% Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with someone finally getting a sub/(t)ko

[StanUpshaw]

Facebook prelims have begun!

http://www.facebook.com/UFC

[StanUpshaw]

Fightcard
Mauricio Rua vs. Jon Jones
Mirko Filipovic vs. Brendan Schaub
Urijah Faber vs. Eddie Wineland
Jim Miller vs. Kamal Shalorus
Joseph Benavidez vs. Ian Loveland
Nate Marquardt vs. Dan Miller
Mike Pyle vs. Ricardo Almeida
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Gleison Tibau
Edson Barboza vs. Anthony Njokuani
Luis Artur Cane Jr. vs. Eliot Marshall
Constantinos Philippou vs. Nick Catone

[StanUpshaw]

Potential outcomes in order of personal preference:

1. Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with Shogun finally getting a sub/(t)ko

2. Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with Jones finally getting a sub/(t)ko

3. Short, one sided humbling by Shogun

4. 5-round decision for Shogun via cautious, low-risk strategic kickboxing





Potential outcomes in order of statistical probability:

66% Short, one sided humbling by Jones

15% Someone gets clipped and the ref stops it too early

10% 5 round decision by Jones...Jones scores lots of takedowns, but Shogun can control off his back well enough to avoid death from elbows

5% 5-round decision for Shogun via cautious, low-risk strategic kickboxing

2% Short, one sided humbling by Shogun

1% Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with someone finally getting a sub/(t)ko

[sailor]

why not put in main thread?

[StanUpshaw]

Threads that have been around forever tend to blend into the background. If someone sees the main thread bumped, it's easily ignorable. If someone sees a new UFC thread, it might spark some new interest.

[Snacks]

Fightcard
Mauricio Rua vs. Jon Jones
Mirko Filipovic vs. Brendan Schaub
Urijah Faber vs. Eddie Wineland
Jim Miller vs. Kamal Shalorus
Joseph Benavidez vs. Ian Loveland
Nate Marquardt vs. Dan Miller
Mike Pyle vs. Ricardo Almeida
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Gleison Tibau
Edson Barboza vs. Anthony Njokuani
Luis Artur Cane Jr. vs. Eliot Marshall
Constantinos Philippou vs. Nick Catone

The bold are my picks for the night. Dont know much about the fighters from the first 4 fights. I probably wont even watch those but I do like Rua tonight! Bye Bye Bones Jones!

[StanUpshaw]

The bold are my picks for the night. Dont know much about the fighters from the first 4 fights. I probably wont even watch those but I do like Rua tonight! Bye Bye Bones Jones!

I disagree with most all of your picks. That must mean Joe Silva's doing his job.

I want Shogun to break his back and make him humble, but I don't think it will happen.

Crocop has no chance of beating Schaub.

Faber ought to win.

Jim Miller ought to win, but all the top LW prospects have been getting clowned lately, so who knows. Whatever happens, Shalarous will kick the fuck out of his balls.

Dan Miller has no chance of beating Marquardt.

[StanUpshaw]

Edson Barboza vs. Anthony Njokuani

and

Luis Artur Cane Jr. vs. Eliot Marshall

Begin now on Spike or here (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=109295&part=sports).

[Tenbatsuzen]

Snacks picked Shogun? la la la la la la lock it up

[Snacks]

Snacks picked Shogun? la la la la la la lock it up

I will lock it up but hoefully my la la la la lock it ups arent losers like Carton!

[Snacks]

Fucking 2 jersey fighters lose already. Fuckers I tried to pick locals and they fail me!

Come on Rua!

[StanUpshaw]

Pretty great little fight right there.



I predict Luiz Cane, btw

I'm going to miss it though, cuz i need to go buy SNACKS

[Snacks]

Pretty great little fight right there.



I predict Luiz Cane, btw

I'm going to miss it though, cuz i need to go buy SNACKS

Im expensive but I am on sale!!!

[StanUpshaw]

Glad I didn't leave quite yet!

[Snacks]

Snacks picked Shogun? la la la la la la lock it up

wait this is turning into a Carton lock night. im 0 for 3 WTF?

Rua and Faber better win those are the fights I care most about!

[StanUpshaw]

Crocop's retirement fight begins now! (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=109295&part=sports)

[StanUpshaw]

"two legends in a row...Gabriel Gonzaga and now Mirko Crocop"

Oh Joe...for FUCKS sake dude.

[StanUpshaw]

Oh well, they can't all be winners. What do you expect from THE GRATE?

[StanUpshaw]

Miller with the Creedence :clap:

[StanUpshaw]

The UFC: Where every other fighter walks out to AC/DC


Of course it's not as bad as the local show I went to once where three different white kids came out to Lose Yourself

[Tenbatsuzen]

Somebody on Fark actually ahd to ask if Cro Cop dived.

When you land like that, YOU DID NOT DIVE.

[StanUpshaw]

It would have been more appropriate to ask if he died.


Did he die?

[jonyrotn]

Fucking 2 jersey fighters already.. sounds like a typical saturday night over at your place..

[StanUpshaw]

Holy shit! They managed to find a ref smaller than their bantamweights!

I always thought it did look a bit silly to have someone like Big Dan in there with the mighty mites. It's an old rule from pro wrestling...don't let the staff look tougher than the stars.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It would have been more appropriate to ask if he died.


Did he die?

Only his career.

[StanUpshaw]

The Main Event is being introduced. Tune in! (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=109295&part=sports)

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[StanUpshaw]

Everyone should be watching this. (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=109295&part=sports)

[disneyspy]

Everyone should be watching this. (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=109295&part=sports)

which link should i click on?

[StanUpshaw]

They're constantly being shut down, so keep trying until you find one that works.

[disneyspy]

i got one just in time to see him knee him in the face

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let this be a lesson: ALWAYS DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT SNACKS DOES... especially when he picks a fight and has NEVER seen Jones fight before.

[StanUpshaw]

That was fucking brutal. :sad:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Start to finish, Jones just DESTROYED him. Awesome. I love it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That was fucking brutal. :sad:

Rua was fucking out of shape too. Jones destroyed him for that too. Dana was giggling the entire time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That was fucking brutal. :sad:

I gotta ask, what did Jones do that you wanted Rua to "make him humble"? If anything, Jones has been doing everything right. Good offense, vicious GNP, and submissions.

[StanUpshaw]

Alright, well, there goes another sport white children can cross off their list of dreams.

[StanUpshaw]

I gotta ask, what did Jones do that you wanted Rua to "make him humble"? If anything, Jones has been doing everything right. Good offense, vicious GNP, and submissions.

It's just my natural reaction to anyone/anything popular.

But he has been pretty cocky of late. (deservedly so, clearly)

[newport king]

how can you not like jones? and of course he's cocky. he's destroyed everyone hes fought. his 1 loss was a dq. i thought shogun was going to be too experienced and it was too short of a layoff from his last fight. and he DESTROYED him.

i hope he humbles rashad.

[StanUpshaw]

lol

http://i.imgur.com/DKhbv.png

[StanUpshaw]

how can you not like jones?

It's exactly what I said. There's something wrong with my brain that makes me turn against anything popular.

Also he's a Jesus freak and that turns me off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

In case you didn't see the match, here's what it looked like:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2e6d0tw.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Potential outcomes in order of statistical probability:

66% Short, one sided humbling by Jones

15% Someone gets clipped and the ref stops it too early

10% 5 round decision by Jones...Jones scores lots of takedowns, but Shogun can control off his back well enough to avoid death from elbows

5% 5-round decision for Shogun via cautious, low-risk strategic kickboxing

2% Short, one sided humbling by Shogun

1% Amazing 4.5 round fight with back and forth action, ending with someone finally getting a sub/(t)ko

Stats were right, big time.

[StanUpshaw]

So obviously Rashad is going to be literally killed in the ring. The only possible hope he has is to pretend to touch gloves at the beginning, but actually shoot for a double and pray that Jones falls for it in rounds 2 & 3 as well.

[Snacks]

Let this be a lesson: ALWAYS DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT SNACKS DOES... especially when he picks a fight and has NEVER seen Jones fight before.

I have seen Jones fight and win just 6 weeks ago. I thought Rua would win, I was dead fucking wrong. Bones looked incredible.

I was completely wrong tonight. The only fight was Faber and that might have been the worst fight of the night!

Very good action tonight but damn I was no good with my picks. Stan you jinx my picks!

[Snacks]

It's exactly what I said. There's something wrong with my brain that makes me turn against anything popular.

Also he's a Jesus freak and that turns me off.

Exactly. How can you be cocky, signing things "UFC Champ 2011" before the fight and be that cocky yet be a Jesus Freak? I dont want my sports to be corrupted with Jesus!

[King Imp]

I know a lot of people (including myself) want to see an Anderson Silva-GSP superfight, but considering how Silva likes to move up to Light Heavyweight from time to time, what do you all think about a potential Silva vs Jones matchup?

[Gutter]

I know a lot of people (including myself) want to see an Anderson Silva-GSP superfight, but considering how Silva likes to move up to Light Heavyweight from time to time, what do you all think about a potential Silva vs Jones matchup?

He's gonna hafta beat a whole lot of other fighters before that happens. If he takes out Rashad, the future for him could hold a fight against either Lyoto Machida or Randy Couture (believe it or not). Brandon Schaub has been really impressive even before he Ko'd CroCop. Forrest Griffen's win over Franklin moved him back up the ladder a bit. Alexander Gustuffson is part of the new breed that has lots of talent. Lil Nog has an important fight with Phil Davis who is an absolute beast and Mark Hamill is scheduled to fight Quinton Jackson. Then there is always the possible rematch against Rua. I would like to see Silva fight Jones, but Silva won't be around by the time that fight could possibly ever make sense.

[King Imp]

I got a question for you guys.

I just watched the replay of the Henderson-Pettis fight last night where the winner was supposed to get a shot at the upcoming winner of the Edgar-Maynard title fight. We all know how that went down and now that Edgar and Maynard are signed for their rematch, Pettis was put into a fight with Clay Guida at the Ultimate Fighter finale this season.

Here's my question. If Guida beats Pettis, should Guida then get the title shot over Pettis?
Clay Guida is my favorite fighter, so I'm probably a little biased and I know some people see him as nothing more than a gatekeeper, but honestly why should Pettis get a automatic shot if he loses this fight.

[Gutter]

I got a question for you guys.

I just watched the replay of the Henderson-Pettis fight last night where the winner was supposed to get a shot at the upcoming winner of the Edgar-Maynard title fight. We all know how that went down and now that Edgar and Maynard are signed for their rematch, Pettis was put into a fight with Clay Guida at the Ultimate Fighter finale this season.

Here's my question. If Guida beats Pettis, should Guida then get the title shot over Pettis?
Clay Guida is my favorite fighter, so I'm probably a little biased and I know some people see him as nothing more than a gatekeeper, but honestly why should Pettis get a automatic shot if he loses this fight.

I retract the previous statement. hld plz.

[Gutter]

A win from Pettis gives him the shot at the title, no question....the dudes 13-1 and beat ben henderson in his last fight. If Guida wins, then I think Guida should have to fight Jim Miller for the #1 contender spot. Guida beating Pettis puts the whole division lineup on its head.

[StanUpshaw]

I got a question for you guys.

I just watched the replay of the Henderson-Pettis fight last night where the winner was supposed to get a shot at the upcoming winner of the Edgar-Maynard title fight. We all know how that went down and now that Edgar and Maynard are signed for their rematch, Pettis was put into a fight with Clay Guida at the Ultimate Fighter finale this season.

Here's my question. If Guida beats Pettis, should Guida then get the title shot over Pettis?
Clay Guida is my favorite fighter, so I'm probably a little biased and I know some people see him as nothing more than a gatekeeper, but honestly why should Pettis get a automatic shot if he loses this fight.

No one coming off a loss gets a title fight (except for immediate rematches [which are really getting old...holy shit]). That said, they can book whatever fight they want, and if people are clamoring for Pettis win or lose, they'll book that fight.

Guida is in a good position right now. Since Dunham lost and Sotiropolis lost, it's basically Jim Miller and Pettis who have good claims for #1 contendership. So if Guida can beat Pettis, he's going to be sniffing a title shot too.

[StanUpshaw]

He's gonna hafta beat a whole lot of other fighters before that happens. If he takes out Rashad, the future for him could hold a fight against either Lyoto Machida or Randy Couture (believe it or not). Brandon Schaub has been really impressive even before he Ko'd CroCop. Forrest Griffen's win over Franklin moved him back up the ladder a bit. Alexander Gustuffson is part of the new breed that has lots of talent. Lil Nog has an important fight with Phil Davis who is an absolute beast and Mark Hamill is scheduled to fight Quinton Jackson. Then there is always the possible rematch against Rua. I would like to see Silva fight Jones, but Silva won't be around by the time that fight could possibly ever make sense.

They're in a superfight kind of mood right now. It seems like GSP is having some reservations about going up to 185, so if that doesn't happen, Silva-Bones would be the next best thing. I doubt Anderson would take that fight though.

What it comes down to is that they simply don't have any money fights for Silva at 185. The only one would be the Sonnen rematch, but by all accounts (even Sonnen's), after he comes back he'll have to win one or two more before they give him a title shot. They are going to pressure Silva into these superfights because they want to make some money off of him. Silva-Okami won't draw flies. Silva-GSP or Silva-Bones will.

[Gutter]

They're in a superfight kind of mood right now. It seems like GSP is having some reservations about going up to 185, so if that doesn't happen, Silva-Bones would be the next best thing. I doubt Anderson would take that fight though.

What it comes down to is that they simply don't have any money fights for Silva at 185. The only one would be the Sonnen rematch, but by all accounts (even Sonnen's), after he comes back he'll have to win one or two more before they give him a title shot. They are going to pressure Silva into these superfights because they want to make some money off of him. Silva-Okami won't draw flies. Silva-GSP or Silva-Bones will.

agreed. We could see the Silva GSP superfight, and DW has said that it would be the right time for it, if GSP dismantles Jake Shields, which i would love to see. Shields is so incredibly consistently boring. At middleweight, I don't like Okami at all.....I'm not too hyped on a Silva vs Mardquart rematch, Belfort was supposed to be the shit and he got KO'd by a Steven Segal kick to the face. A Dan Henderson rematch might have some draw, but that wouldn't happen till at least 2012. I think they absolutely have to make that fight (Silva vs. GSP) happen before Silva retires with that title.

[King Imp]

Brandon Schaub has been really impressive even before he Ko'd CroCop.
Mark Hamill is scheduled to fight Quinton Jackson.

Schaub is a HW and why would they want to kill Luke Skywalker. :wink:

[Gutter]

Schaub is a HW and why would they want to kill Luke Skywalker. :wink:

HAHAHA jeeezus i thought you edited that. haha....good find. and you are correct suh....Schaub is indeed a HW, but i was on a roll haha.

[StanUpshaw]

Leonard Garcia vs. Korean Zombie rematch starts within seconds (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=110101&part=sports)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Leonard Garcia vs. Korean Zombie rematch starts within seconds (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=110101&part=sports)

I don't think it lived up to the first fight (what COULD?) but good on Zombie getting the equaliser. Think Dana puts the rubber match on PPV?

[StanUpshaw]

I don't think it lived up to the first fight (what COULD?) but good on Zombie getting the equaliser. Think Dana puts the rubber match on PPV?

Garcia is lucky if he's on the roster by the time that would happen. They'll probably keep him around for Phan to get his win back, then it's off to Shark Fights for that fucking goof.

[StanUpshaw]

I find Joe Rogan to be one of the most tolerable MMA commentators, but holy shit...a guy has another guy's arm pinned, and the reference you come up with is Rickson Gracie vs. Funaki???? What percentage of the audience do you think has even heard of those people, let alone seen that fight?

[StanUpshaw]

Rogan: "Taking someone down easily and punching him in the head whenever you feel like it doesn't wear a guy out."



I guess no one told that to Bobby Lashley...:(

[StanUpshaw]

Holy shit...it happened again!

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2 Submission of the Year candidates in one night!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I find Joe Rogan to be one of the most tolerable MMA commentators, but holy shit...a guy has another guy's arm pinned, and the reference you come up with is Rickson Gracie vs. Funaki???? What percentage of the audience do you think has even heard of those people, let alone seen that fight?

He smokes weed.

[King Imp]

I love Rogan and his lack of a filter at times, but I really think he should have thought before saying crooked politicians are why NY won't allow MMA in the state. Granted, it's true, but that didn't help their case for being accepted in.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/aafFj.gif

[StanUpshaw]

Prayer works. (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23055/jon-fitch-injured-forced-to-withdraw-from-ufc-132-matchup-with-b-j-penn.mma)

[spe5150]

So who do you think steps in? Condit seems to make the most sense...unless I'm forgetting someone.

[StanUpshaw]

Condit would be fine. Or Alves of course. I would have loved to see Lytle get a top level fight, but then that Ebersole goofball came along and fucked everything up.

Then there are a few young guys that I wouldn't mind getting a shot at Penn. I can never remember their names...Bryan somebody?


edit: I think Brian Foster, Rick Story, Jake Ellenberger all deserve a push.

[Gutter]

Holy shit...it happened again!

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2 Submission of the Year candidates in one night!

ya know, thats some horrible reffing. that dude was choked out way before those two punches ever came in.....he took too long to check on that guy to see if he was out. crazy submission though.

[StanUpshaw]

Prayer works. (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23055/jon-fitch-injured-forced-to-withdraw-from-ufc-132-matchup-with-b-j-penn.mma)

So does karma? (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6305895)

[King Imp]

All UFC main events to be 5 rounds soon (http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/story/88017.html?CMP=OTC-RSS)

Not sure how I feel about this. I like the distinction between title and regular fights and don't see the need for the two extra rounds.

Oh, and I hope GSP destroys Jake Shields tonight and totally exposes his lack of a standup game.

[StanUpshaw]

Fight Nights/Versus cards included?

If it's just PPVs, that's like five fights a year, so it's not a huge deal. But if it includes all the televised cards, then it has potential to really impact the watchability of the product. Sure, there are a handful of 3-round decisions that I would have loved to see continue, but the with the VAST majority of 3R decisions, I feel like they've already shown me all they're ever going to show.

Plus, the vast majority of 5-round decisions kinda blow. Nor are 5-rounders immune from shitty judging.

Like you said, the add another layer of importance to a title fight and they add a shred more legitimacy to a win, but they almost never result in a better fight in the cage.

[sheen21]

hey guys whats happening here ,there wrestlers are becoming overweight and they are trying to participating in that league match under weight conditions.

[Dirtbag]

Lesnar out, Carwin in. As much as I hate to say it, Lesnar is finished. War JDS.

[King Imp]

Edgar-Maynard 3 is also off as they both got hurt in training.

[StanUpshaw]

It's fucking crazy. The sport is only 20 years old, and we've already reached the physical limits of the human body.

Thus begins the renaissance of the worked fight.

[StanUpshaw]

Could this possibly be the shittiest card in history?

[newport king]

Yup.

[newport king]

The Roy Nelson love is gone. The guy's got to lose weight.

[newport king]

Good walkout song by Hamill, but does he know it?

[StanUpshaw]

The Roy Nelson love is gone. The guy's got to lose weight.

He'd do even worse at 205. He's a decent fighter with a good punch and a better gimmick. If he somehow managed to lose the weight, he'd just be surrounded by better competition. He doesn't have a prayer of ever being a UFC champ, but as a heavyweight, at least he could get on the main card.




also...Hammill coming out to Can't You Hear Me Knockin is pretty awesome. Or pretty vile. Maybe both.

[newport king]

Nelsons fighting style is punch and lean on you. and get gassed and get beat.

[newport king]

someone tell hamill...or communicate to him, that his hands are too low and hes gonna get his head knocked off

[newport king]

there were people that bought tix and paid for this ppv.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm kind of baffled about how the PPV model is still working for them. There are too many events for them to be special, and such a huge percentage of them are duds.

But obviously I don't get MMA fans, seeing as how they consider GSP the biggest star of all time.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm kind of baffled about how the PPV model is still working for them. There are too many events for them to be special, and such a huge percentage of them are duds.

But obviously I don't get MMA fans, seeing as how they consider GSP the biggest star of all time.

I dont think anyone considers him the biggest star of all time. But pound for pound hes technically one of the most unbeatable fighters in the world. His fights are boring as fucking because hes so fast and strong that he doesnt have to risk losing to a lucky punch or kick by trying to finish so instead he disects his opponent piece by piece, giving them nothing while piling up points to win fight after fight.

As far as playing it safe and doing whats right by him (winner of the fight gets the bigger paycheck), hes brilliant and a good fighter. But as far as watching his fights hes boring as fuck.

[Dirtbag]

I dont think anyone outside of Canada considers him the biggest star of all time.

Fixed that for ya.

[cougarjake13]

there were people that bought tix and paid for this ppv.

i just cant fathom how anyone buys ppv's anymore


boxing wrestling or mma ... theres a ton of places to go and see it free why pay ??

[Dirtbag]

If I'm the only one watching no way am I laying down any cash for a PPV. But if there's 4+ of us, its easier to put down $10 a piece and watch the fights crystal clear on the big screen than hunt down a reliable stream and crowd around a computer monitor for shitty quality.

[cougarjake13]

If I'm the only one watching no way am I laying down any cash for a PPV. But if there's 4+ of us, its easier to put down $10 a piece and watch the fights crystal clear on the big screen than hunt down a reliable stream and crowd around a computer monitor for shitty quality.

yeh i forgot about that aspect of it

[King Imp]

UFC 137 - GSP vs Nick Diaz (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6616943)

I never liked either of the Diaz brothers, but I gotta admit this has the makings of a great fight. Fuck Jake Shields, I always thought that Diaz offered way more problems for GSP. At least Diaz has standup and a ground game as opposed to Shields who doesn't have a clue what to do on his feet.

[StanUpshaw]

It could end up interesting, but on paper it's another clear-cut GSP win. Diaz isn't good enough in any category to threaten GSP's defensive style.

I could fantasize about a scenario where Diaz just rushes in, absorbs a flurry, then starts winging those loopy crazyass punches, forcing GSP to either slug or go for a takedown (and of course Diaz believes he can get a submission from his back)...but realistically, Georges will just out-box him standing and beat the pulp out of him from Diaz's guard.

The lead-up should be great though. I hope he goes full-on 209 lunatic and just cuts promo after promo calling GSP boring and gay and pussy and Canadian. Maybe...MAAAAYBE...he can get into his head and get him to fuck up. I will definitely be watching the Primetime specials.

[StanUpshaw]

Don't pretend you don't want to see Tito's cock. (http://www.dlisted.com/files/images/titonaked2.jpg)

[cougarjake13]

Don't pretend you don't want to see Tito's cock. (http://www.dlisted.com/files/images/titonaked2.jpg)

coulda done without it

[King Imp]

The UFC matchmakers were so quick to suck the dick of Pettis and wanted to throw him in a title fight without actually beating anyone in the UFC. I guess Guida proved that was a dumb idea.

Now, can my man get a damn title fight already? He's only on a 4 fight win streak and dominated the supposed #1 contender. Either that or settle the #1 contendership once and for all and put Guida in against Jim Miller. You figure they both will have to fight someone anyway while waiting for the Edgar-Maynard rematch, so why not make it clear cut who is next in line.

[StanUpshaw]

The UFC matchmakers were so quick to suck the dick of Pettis and wanted to throw him in a title fight without actually beating anyone in the UFC. I guess Guida proved that was a dumb idea.

Now, can my man get a damn title fight already? He's only on a 4 fight win streak and dominated the supposed #1 contender. Either that or settle the #1 contendership once and for all and put Guida in against Jim Miller. You figure they both will have to fight someone anyway while waiting for the Edgar-Maynard rematch, so why not make it clear cut who is next in line.

It wasn't dick sucking - it was decided way before the Henderson-Pettis fight that the winner would get a UFC title shot as a concession for the WEC belt being retired. It was just serendipity that Pettis happened to pull off that kick and become a superstar overnight.

But you're right about one thing...Guida laid on him like a champ! It almost felt like I was watching Gray or Frankie. Truly elite level laying on a guy skills displayed tonight. And did you see those shoulder strikes? BRUTAL.

[King Imp]

Don't blame the fighter, blame the refs that don't stand them up.

It's part of the sport, whether you like it or not. Personally, I'd love to see a knock down drag 'em out war every time, but if your opponent isn't giving you anything to work with (i.e. Pettis holding him down and close so Guida had no room to maneuver), then you get these types of fights.

[StanUpshaw]

Don't blame the fighter, blame the refs that don't stand them up.

It's part of the sport, whether you like it or not. Personally, I'd love to see a knock down drag 'em out war every time, but if your opponent isn't giving you anything to work with (i.e. Pettis holding him down and close so Guida had no room to maneuver), then you get these types of fights.

Are we talking about the same fight?

Pettis vs Guida, TUF 13 Finale, 6/4/11?

Because Pettis never just tied him up from the bottom - he has one of the most active guards you'll ever see and was constantly working subs. And for that matter, Guida was nowhere near the blanket that he could have been. He was always posturing up and looking to strike (though Pettis defended immaculately). The only time when nothing was happening was in round 2 when they were up against the cage attempting/defending the takedown.

Looking at it today, comparing Guida to Edgar or Maynard was unfair, because at least Guida was trying to fight an offensive style. I was just frustrated because when it comes down to it, Guida won because he was laying on top of Pettis. Both fighters were working their respective styles of offense, and both defended that offense perfectly. After 15 minutes, neither had a scratch on them...it's just not right that one deserves a W and one an L.

[King Imp]

So, who do you guys have in tomorrow's fight? Carwin or Dos Santos?

This one is a hard one to call, but I gotta say it has the makings of a better fight than it would if it were the original matchup of Dos Santos vs Lesnar.

Personally I hate to see either of these guys lose as I like them both. Carwin is one of my faves and it stings that he was seconds away from being the champ, but Dos Santos does deserve his title shot. Whoever comes out of this, I will be pulling for to beat Velasquez when that fight eventually happens.

If I have to predict, I think that if Carwin can catch Dos Santos early, he will end it, but if it goes past the 2nd round, it favors Dos Santos.

[Gutter]

I think Dos Santos is going to KO him. I think he's got the fastest and heaviest hands in the Heavyweight div. Nunes tops Florian in decisive fashion, but wont finish him. annnnd i'm tempted to say that Munoz could pull off the huge early upset with a big KO on Maia. i'm not too excited for this card, so i'm hoping that the fights are good....sometimes the boring looking cards can be really good.

[spe5150]

If I have to predict, I think that if Carwin can catch Dos Santos early, he will end it, but if it goes past the 2nd round, it favors Dos Santos.

I think either one of them can end it with one big punch. I agree that I like them both too much to root against either one. Unless they spend a whole round feeling each other out, I can't see this fight going past the 1st round. Whoever lands solid first will pound the other out. Should be a great fight, but I expect it to be short.

[StanUpshaw]

Carwin has knockout power, but can't box for shit and has no cardio.

Dos Santos has impeccable hands, but has never fought a wrestler.

This fight will hinge upon Junior's takedown defense. If Carwin can't get him down, then he all he can do is swing and pray that something lands before he gasses.

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[cougarjake13]

fuck lois wilson again

[StanUpshaw]

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFC?feature=lb#p/l/QdQ2nkNhb4U

Prelims are live on YouTube right now. The stream is excellent thus far!

[spe5150]

Next two prelims move to Spike.

And in the first:

Yves Edwards...YOU GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!

Wow, what a left from Sam Stout.

[StanUpshaw]

Rogan made it an hour without calling someone a cunt or faggot...I'm impressed.

[sailor]

Rogan made it an hour without calling someone a cunt or faggot...I'm impressed.

i thought he retired "faggot."

[StanUpshaw]

That Cerrone fight kinda left me with a bad taste in my mouth. It started off so well -- I like any fight that tells a story, and the "how do you deal with the scary yet one-dimensional BJJ guy" is one of my favorites...yet as the fight progressed and it became clear that Rocha was not much threat, Cerrone was content to win by decision. At least he had the gumption to admit he was playing it safe. But still, the non-finish was a real disappointment.

[StanUpshaw]

That was pretty awesome.

[spe5150]

That was a pretty fucking great heavyweight fight for two guys not in the top 10 by any means.

[spe5150]

GREAT FIGHT between Munoz & Maia. I have it 29-28 Munoz, but that 3rd round was real close.

Wonder what Franklin McNeil thinks of Maia's stand-up after that showing?


edit: one judge had it 30-27? How the fuck do you give Munoz round 1? The UFC really needs some retired fighters & coaches to get into judging these fights because the boxing judges they have scoring these fights are fucking clueless at times.

[StanUpshaw]

Munoz-Maia was far from sucky.

Kinda shitty decision, though. How anyone could give R1 to Munoz is just fucking retarded.

[StanUpshaw]

Another very good fight.

They've all been very good to this point...let's see if we can get over the hump into great with the main event!

[spe5150]

Agreed...really good card to this point, and I can't see this main event being boring. Maybe short but not boring.

[StanUpshaw]

Agreed...really good card to this point, and I can't see this main event being boring. Maybe short but not boring.

Every indication is that it will be short and brutal, but it can easily turn into a cage lean-a-thon. Wrestling plus strategy often equals boredom.




I like to keep expectations low.

[StanUpshaw]

Best doctor ever.



LOL JDS doubleleg.

[spe5150]

Can't believe that went the distance. Good fight but I was expecting/hoping for a highlight reel ending...and where the hell did those double-legs come from?

[StanUpshaw]

Can't believe that went the distance. Good fight but I was expecting/hoping for a highlight reel ending...and where the hell did those double-legs come from?

Just imagine it ended in the first round. By all rights it should have. No one outside the country of Japan has ever taken that much damage and been allowed to continue.

[spe5150]

Just imagine it ended in the first round. By all rights it should have. No one outside the country of Japan has ever taken that much damage and been allowed to continue.

Except maybe Brock in the Carwin fight. :smile:

[Dirtbag]

JDS is in big, big trouble against either Velasquez or Overeem. At that point in the fight I could have taken down Carwin, and it looked like Dos Sandos was about to get his head pulled off as time expired.

[StanUpshaw]

JDS is in big, big trouble against either Velasquez or Overeem. At that point in the fight I could have taken down Carwin, and it looked like Dos Sandos was about to get his head pulled off as time expired.

I don't get the "big, big trouble" comment. Any doubts I had about the well-roundedness of his game were only lessened after seeing the Carwin fight. He was able to neutralize all of Carwin's wrestling (though Cain is better [faster] wrestler than Carwin) and he showed he continued to show he has some of the best standup in the division (though Overeem is WAY better than Carwin).

Neither fight would be easy, of course. Carwin's wrestling was a step up from Nelson's, and I think Cain's is a step up from Carwin's. At the same time, I still have questions about Cain's chin. He was unphased by the couple of shots from Brock, but he also got dropped repeatedly by Kongo.

As for Overeem...his strength is his inside game - tight hooks and uppercuts, knees from the clinch. But he's not great at closing distance, and he tends to get desperate when you keep him at bay with the jab...which is exactly what JDS would do. Jab, circle, jab, circle, jab, circle, counter. Stay away from his power and make him fuck up. The only thing I saw in the Carwin fight was that he goes for this lunging left to the body that overextends him and leaves his chin WIDE open for a quick right hook. Overeem might be able to capitalize on that like Carwin never could.

What it really comes down to is that the new, improved Overeem has not fought top competition in MMA, and you just can't make a very accurate judgement until he does.

[spe5150]

As for Overeem...his strength is his inside game - tight hooks and uppercuts, knees from the clinch. But he's not great at closing distance, and he tends to get desperate when you keep him at bay with the jab...which is exactly what JDS would do. Jab, circle, jab, circle, jab, circle, counter. Stay away from his power and make him fuck up. The only thing I saw in the Carwin fight was that he goes for this lunging left to the body that overextends him and leaves his chin WIDE open for a quick right hook. Overeem might be able to capitalize on that like Carwin never could.

What it really comes down to is that the new, improved Overeem has not fought top competition in MMA, and you just can't make a very accurate judgement until he does.

And even in the part of the game he does excel at, striking, Overeem is still an incomplete fighter. Don't get me wrong, he's a destroyer when things are going well, but on his way to winning the K-1 Grand Prix he almost didn't make it out of the first round of the quarter final fight against Tyrone Spong. There a holes in his game in both K-1 & MMA. The thing is that he's so damn big & strong he can hide them with brute force most of the time. Right now he's a better version of Brock in so much as he can impose his will on most anyone, but will have trouble with anyone who really excels at any facet of the game &/or anyone he can't bully around the ring.

[Dirtbag]

I feel the same way about Dos Santos now as I did about Velasquez after the Kongo fight. It asks as many questions as it answers. Yes, JDS kicked Shane Carwin's ass for 15 minutes. But it was a pretty lethargic decision (minus the end of R1) against a 36 year old man, who was never particularly quick to begin with, coming off of back surgery. Carwin was a dead man walking in the third round, if not before, and Junior was happy to just keep throwing jabs (and two meaningless takedowns) till time ran out. I don't know if it was Junior's "nice guy" personality or being afraid of Carwin's hands, but he should have finished that fight.

[StanUpshaw]

I feel the same way about Dos Santos now as I did about Velasquez after the Kongo fight. It asks as many questions as it answers. Yes, JDS kicked Shane Carwin's ass for 15 minutes. But it was a pretty lethargic decision (minus the end of R1) against a 36 year old man, who was never particularly quick to begin with, coming off of back surgery. Carwin was a dead man walking in the third round, if not before, and Junior was happy to just keep throwing jabs (and two meaningless takedowns) till time ran out. I don't know if it was Junior's "nice guy" personality or being afraid of Carwin's hands, but he should have finished that fight.

The difference between a healthy Shane Carwin and a beat up Shane Carwin is negligible. He's not very good -- he just hits really hard. If it was smart to fight cautiously in R1, it's still smart to fight cautiously in R3.

His trainers were probably making him watch Russow vs. Duffee on an endless loop.

[Dirtbag]

The difference between a healthy Shane Carwin and a beat up Shane Carwin is negligible.

I'm sure Brock Lesnar agrees with you.

[StanUpshaw]

Carwin was beat up in the Lesnar fight?

[Dirtbag]

Carwin was a zombie by round 2 of both fights, regardless of how he got that way.

[StanUpshaw]

That's just not true. In fact, FightMetric shows Carwin attempted 25 strikes in R1, 38 in R2 and 25 in R3. If there's any credit you can give to Carwin, it's that his cardio was significantly improved for this fight. Its was only after his takedown and wrestling scramble at the beginning of R3 that Carwin looked spent. After that his hands were drooping a lot closer to his waist, but he was still winging punches.

Yes, it would have been nice if JDS increased the pace a little bit, but it would be stupid to try finishing the fight when the finish wasn't there. Hopefully he will see that his cardio needs some work too, and come back better.

[StanUpshaw]

Predictions?

Rogers is no good. Puncher's chance and all that, but I just can't see Barnett losing.


As far as the main event goes, it's too hard to make a reasoned prediction. Overeem 2.0 has fought nobodies, and Werdum is fucking Werdum.

Stanny the Greek, handicapper extraordinaire, is stumped. I see it like this:

27% chance: Overeem by KO
26% chance: Werdum by Decision
24% chance: Overeem by Decision
23% chance: Werdum by Submission

[StanUpshaw]

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[StanUpshaw]

That fight was pants-crappingly awesome for about seven straight minutes, then within an instant turned infuriatingly bad.

[Dirtbag]

Josh Barnett, UFC Heavyweight Champion 2012.

[cougarjake13]

http://i.imgur.com/azl9F.jpg
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pretty good talent for whoever drew it

[StanUpshaw]

Nate Marquardt off Sunday's show AND fired from the UFC:

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[sailor]

Is that code for he failed a drug test?

[StanUpshaw]

As far as I know, they make you piss immediately after the fight. There's a lot of talk that it's a weight issue, but it's hard to believe they'd immediately cut Marquardt while keeping guys like Alves and Rumble employed for years.

[sailor]

As far as I know, they make you piss immediately after the fight. There's a lot of talk that it's a weight issue, but it's hard to believe they'd immediately cut Marquardt while keeping guys like Alves and Rumble employed for years.

Wouldn't you just move a guy up a class if he's too big?

[StanUpshaw]

This was actually supposed to be his debut at 170 (had been 185).

What normally happens when a fighter can't make weight is that the bout is changed to catch weight, and the fatty surrenders a portion of the purse to his opponent. Had it been a championship fight, it is switched to non-title.

[sailor]

This was actually supposed to be his debut at 170 (had been 185).

What normally happens when a fighter can't make weight is that the bout is changed to catch weight, and the fatty surrenders a portion of the purse to his opponent. Had it been a championship fight, it is switched to non-title.

my point is they wouldn't normally fire a gut for that, right? sounds like it has to be something else.

[StanUpshaw]

my point is they wouldn't normally fire a gut for that, right?

No. Like I said, even guys who are chronically over weight keep getting booked, and I can't even think of a case where the commission has pulled a fighter from a card for not making weight (though I'm sure it's happened at some point).

[sailor]

Gut. Ha.

[StanUpshaw]

My favorite theory so far is that he tested positive for helium.

[StanUpshaw]

Gabbo is coming.

[StanUpshaw]

At this point it's almost assuredly a testosterone replacement "misunderstanding".

[StanUpshaw]

Facebook prelims start now. (http://www.facebook.com/UFC?sk=app_4949752878)

I've never seen a more stacked prelim card...should be awesome!

[StanUpshaw]

This steam is absolutely GORGEOUS!

God bless the internet.

[StanUpshaw]

I can't get over how amazing this stream is. Not only the picture quality, but the features of the player are amazing.


And HOORAY FOR ANOTHER LAUZON SQUASH!!!!!!!

[sailor]

so, is griffin the favorite?

ha, just found the english feature.

[StanUpshaw]

so, is griffin the favorite?

I'm not sure who the books have, but in my opinion it's his fight to lose.

[sailor]

I'm not sure who the books have, but in my opinion it's his fight to lose.

gamburyan looks better so far. he looks tired so far in the 2nd.

[sailor]

wouldn't that be a majority decision? or is it different in ufc?

[StanUpshaw]

What THE FUCK just happened!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Dirtbag]

Wow

[StanUpshaw]

Those two men just made a zillion dollars in DVD residuals.

[Dirtbag]

I'm not even saying fucking Mirgliatta was wrong in not stopping the fight, but you can't make contact with the fighters then change your mind. Then letting Barry take extra shots when he was clearly out before he even hit the mat. Something has to be done about this guy.

[spe5150]

WOW!

I doubt either of these guys will ever be a UFC champion in today's heavyweight division, but at least their highlight will live on forever. They will now be the UFC's version of Bo Jackson & Brian Bosworth.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm not even saying fucking Mirgliatta was wrong in not stopping the fight, but you can't make contact with the fighters then change your mind. Then letting Barry take extra shots when he was clearly out before he even hit the mat. Something has to be done about this guy.

That may well have been the worst night of reffing in the history of the UFC.



nevertheless...fuckin awesome all around

[cougarjake13]

WOW!

I doubt either of these guys will ever be a UFC champion in today's heavyweight division, but at least their highlight will live on forever. They will now be the UFC's version of Bo Jackson & Brian Bosworth.

gonna have to surf the nets to find the video

[StanUpshaw]

gonna have to surf the nets to find the video

While it lasts:

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[cougarjake13]

holy fuck !!!!

[King Imp]

Apparently Marquardt is supposed to give a statement today on what happened. My bet is he will dance around the subject and not actually give any real answers.

[Gutter]

from what i've read so far, there was an issue that both the medical team for the event and Marquardt were well aware of six weeks ago. He had six weeks to take care of an issue that he knew would keep him from being medically cleared to fight. Marquardt, the medical ppl, and Dana White all knew about the issue six weeks ago. Whatever it was didn't get taken care of so Marquardt got the axe. hopefully, Nate expands on that a bit, since he's the only one that can. the rules about the disclosure of test results in PA are extremely regulated. You can't say anything about test results unless they are your own. hope we get some clarification to this cluster fuck.

[King Imp]

I have to say this really has me interested now.

You would think that if it were steroids like was assumed, he would have been suspended immediately when they first found out about it. Since it most likely is not, then what the hell else would be so bad that would warrant being fired?

[Gutter]

I have to say this really has me interested now.

You would think that if it were steroids like was assumed, he would have been suspended immediately when they first found out about it. Since it most likely is not, then what the hell else would be so bad that would warrant being fired?

I'm not sure that its something that's so bad as it was just so easy to get taken care of. If he had something stupid like ring worm and had six weeks to get it taken care of and didn't and ruined the main event of a fight card over some fucking ring worm I'd have fired him too. I'm expecting it to be something like that.

[StanUpshaw]

At this point it's almost assuredly a testosterone replacement "misunderstanding".

On the MMA hour with Ariel Helwani, Nate Marquardt admitted using testosterone replacement therapy leading to his levels being over the acceptable levels.

He said he was on therapy for low testosterone since August (he had fought 3 times since then) and had submitted that to the UFC and commisisons. He said three weeks ago when he was feeling very moody a doctor gave him testosterone shots instead of oral drugs to combat his low levels, which led to a spike in his blood ratio of tesosterone. He expected it to drop to normal range by regulating it, but perhaps due to his weight cut it didn't drop as much.

He was there with Lex McMahon, his manager, who said that his levels were fine on Sunday but he had to get to normal levels on Saturday before weigh-ins and in his final test he was over. They would not talk specific numbers, only that they were of the impression Marquardt would be cleared from his suspension for his numbers being back in normal range later this week by the Pennsylvania commission. He said until clearance they did not want to discuss what the numbers in question were.

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[StanUpshaw]

Should be another great night:

Dominick Cruz vs. Urijah Faber
Wanderlei Silva vs. Chris Leben
Tito Ortiz vs. Ryan Bader
Carlos Condit vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Dennis Siver vs. Matt Wiman

Melvin Guillard vs. Shane Roller
George Sotiropoulos vs. Rafael dos Anjos

Brian Bowles vs. Takeya Mizugaki
Brad Tavares vs. Aaron Simpson
Anthony Njokuani vs. Andre Winner
Jeff Hougland vs. Donny Walker

[StanUpshaw]

All the goodness of the Facebook stream without the faggotry of Facebook itself:
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[disneyspy]

All the goodness of the Facebook stream without the faggotry of Facebook itself:
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awesome stream,thanks

[StanUpshaw]

30-27...:nono:

[StanUpshaw]

That wes 8 shitty rounds in a row right there. And what do we have to look forward to? 5 rounds of Cruz and 3 of Tito??? I take it back - this card is going to blow.

[newport king]

pretty good so far.

[newport king]

i feel like every PRIDE guy gets their asses handed to them when they fight in the United States.

[newport king]

side note; Conan The Barbarian looks pretty sweet.

[newport king]

what fight does a judge watch to score faber/cruz 50/45?

[spe5150]

what fight does a judge watch to score faber/cruz 50/45?

Sal D'Amato has no clue what he's doing at that judges table...it's infuriating.

[StanUpshaw]

i feel like every PRIDE guy gets their asses handed to them when they fight in the United States.

What about Shogun, Rampage, Nogueira and Anderson Silva who have all won UFC belts?

[StanUpshaw]

what fight does a judge watch to score faber/cruz 50/45?

If it were me, I'd score it 50-49 with Cruz taking R5.

I was praying for Faber to win. Not because I like him, but I just never want to see five rounds of Dominick Cruz ever again.

[cougarjake13]

What about Shogun, Rampage, Nogueira and Anderson Silva who have all won UFC belts?

maybe he hasnt watched for that long

[newport king]

Ive watched since UFC 1. Ive seen Wanderlei, Cro Cop, the great Fedor, and EVERY SINGLE OVERHYPED JAPANESE GUY, come here and have the shit beat out of them.

[Gutter]

Ive watched since UFC 1. Ive seen Wanderlei, Cro Cop, the great Fedor, and EVERY SINGLE OVERHYPED JAPANESE GUY, come here and have the shit beat out of them.

Okami is one of the few who is doing well for himself right now as far as Japanese fighters go. three fight win streak and competing for the title in August. I don't expect Silva to break a sweat, and I'm sure I'll be annoyed by all the hype leading up to this fight where Silva talks about getting redemption for giving Okami the victory back in the day by getting himself DQ'd. He only fought once or twice in Pride and I don't think he was all that hyped up when he came in, but he is winning fights.

[StanUpshaw]

Ive watched since UFC 1. Ive seen Wanderlei, Cro Cop, the great Fedor, and EVERY SINGLE OVERHYPED JAPANESE GUY, come here and have the shit beat out of them.

Couture? Liddell? Franklin? Hughes? Tito?

TIM FUCKING SYLVIA?????

People who were great 6-10 years ago suck now.

[cougarjake13]

Couture? Liddell? Franklin? Hughes? Tito?

TIM FUCKING SYLVIA?????

People who were great 6-10 years ago suck now.




i think he was responding to my post about not watching long

[StanUpshaw]

Looks like Sonnen vs. Machida is on the horizon. It would be glorious if Sonnen wins, but I don't like his chances. It's impossible to close the distance on that weirdo.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ive watched since UFC 1. Ive seen Wanderlei, Cro Cop, the great Fedor, and EVERY SINGLE OVERHYPED JAPANESE GUY, come here and have the shit beat out of them.

UFC 1. Paul Varelans still makes me laugh.

[StanUpshaw]

Paul Varelans was not in UFC 1, and compared to the competition at the time, Varelans was not all that bad.


That said...leg kick KOs are the best KOs.

[Gutter]

Looks like Sonnen vs. Machida is on the horizon. It would be glorious if Sonnen wins, but I don't like his chances. It's impossible to close the distance on that weirdo.

That fight isn't happening.

But this one is. Sonnen vs. Stann UFC 136

http://mmaweekly.com/hes-back-chael-sonnen-returns-to-face-brian-stann-at-ufc-136-in-houston

[Dirtbag]

The UFC should have scheduled a Versus or Spike card for Wednesday night. The day after the MLB All-Star game is the worst sports day of the entire year and they really could have taken advantage of it.

[cougarjake13]

The UFC should have scheduled a Versus or Spike card for Wednesday night. The day after the MLB All-Star game is the worst sports day of the entire year and they really could have taken advantage of it.

you know im surprised they havent by now

[Dirtbag]

Davis out, Machida in. We go from Rashad wall'n'stalling Rashad-Lite to Rashad getting his lights turned off again. Fuck yes.

[Gutter]

Davis out, Machida in. We go from Rashad wall'n'stalling Rashad-Lite to Rashad getting his lights turned off again. Fuck yes.

Thats not too terrible....i think that re-match at least makes sense now with both fighters earning a victory or two since they last fought. I am bummed though cause this would have been a big step up for Davis. Hopefully, he doesn't fall too far back because of the injury.

[King Imp]

Looks like it's gonna be Tito instead of Machida vs Evans now.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/6767476/tito-ortiz-replaces-phil-davis-fight-vs-rashad-evans-ufc-133

[StanUpshaw]

No combination of Ortiz, Evans, Machida and Davis really lights my world on fire, but of all possible matchups, this is the dirt worst.

[Dirtbag]

This is actually the best. The reward for the winner? A savage beating at the hands of one Jon Bones Jones.

[StanUpshaw]

Fedor vs. Henderson tomorrow!

Overeem fired!

Marquardt hired!

K-1 sold!

Everyone is hurt and on drugs!

[cougarjake13]

Fedor vs. Henderson tomorrow!

Overeem fired!

Marquardt hired!

K-1 sold!

Everyone is hurt and on drugs!

im hoping hendo wins

[StanUpshaw]

I guess I don't really care who wins. I like both of these guys, but I think it would mean more for Hendo's legacy to have a win over Fedor (even if that is 2011 Fedor).

I just hope it's a great fight. And the way they match up, I think that's a good possibility.

[spe5150]

I love that the fight is happening, but I wonder if there's any good outcome for StriekForce?

If Hendo wins, it's pretty big for his legacy but it means there's absolutely nothing left for SF to do with Fedor & he likely retires. You can't even say that, OK NOW he finally decides to be disciplined & drops to 205 because your 205 champ just beat him.

If Fedor wins, big deal. It would have meant a lot more in Pride in 2005 or 2006 when between the two of them they held three titles. But now you've made your 205 champ look bad, & what do you do with Fedor anyway? He's just beaten a 205'er, so it's not like his heavyweight career is resurrected...and he seems reluctant to drop to 205, so you can't set up a fight for that title.

Your heavyweight division is fucked now without Overeem anyway. I guess the best you can hope for is Barnett winning that tournament (which I don't see) & setting up another boy this really would have been cool 5 years ago match between Barnett & Fedor.

Oh well, I hope to enjoy the shit out of the this fight while it's on...I just wonder where the hell do they go from here?

[StanUpshaw]

There is no Strikeforce anymore, and the sooner they gut it and fold it into UFC, the better.

The only thing the Strikeforce name had going for was this snakebit tournament. But after the Werdum fight, ALL of the air went out of Overeem. Combine that with his stubbornness the non-exclusive contract, and dumping him makes all the sense in the world. If at some point he's ready to commit to the UFC fulltime, I'm sure they'll be happy to play ball.

Early on there was some talk about there being a need to produce a product that keeps Showtime happy, but after poaching Diaz, all but signing Melendez to the Maynard-Edgar winner, and now cutting Overeem, I don't if there's any truth to that at all.

Combine that with the talk of a DREAM and Bellator partnership, it looks like the writing is on the fucking wall. By the end of the year, expect to see everyone worth a shit signed to UFC, and Fedor vs. James Thompson headlining Dynamite.

[spe5150]

Fedor vs. James Thompson headlining Dynamite.

Sad but true.

[StanUpshaw]

Someone needs to teach these girls how to cut a promo.





Cris Cyborg vs. Tyron Woodley's mom. Book it.

[StanUpshaw]

Fucking Lawler. So petrified of a takedown that you wouldn't attack for two and a half rounds. And for all that caution, you couldn't even stop the takedown! Christ

[StanUpshaw]

More like Svelte John McCarthy

[StanUpshaw]

This is almost jackable.

[StanUpshaw]

Herb Dean ruins everything.

[Dirtbag]

Fedor vs Crocop II.

Book it.

[StanUpshaw]

Fedor vs Crocop vs Nog vs Wandy in a Fatal 4-Way

Make it happen, Japan.

[StanUpshaw]

That Gustafsson fight was enraging. Literally jogging in circles for a round and a half.

[spe5150]

I'm watching on the sly this month because I refuse to pay for a card with Rashad at the top of it. The feed i was watching went to UK commercials but the chat window blew up saying Matt Serra just knocked out Yamasaki.
Anyone see this?

[StanUpshaw]

The guy sitting next to Rampage is the winner of the contest!?

[StanUpshaw]

I'm watching on the sly this month because I refuse to pay for a card with Rashad at the top of it. The feed i was watching went to UK commercials but the chat window blew up saying Matt Serra just knocked out Yamasaki.
Anyone see this?

Nothing on Twitter, so I'm guessing someone was just fucking with people.

[StanUpshaw]

I know they're in Philly and all...but it's so fucking hilarious that a basketball player gets twice the ovation of their lightweight champion!

[StanUpshaw]

Even if every other fight on this show completely blows, Hallman vs. Ebersole happened; and no one can take that away from me.

[StanUpshaw]

This fight is one gigantic failed drug test.


Vitor "Spine Punch" Belfort

[StanUpshaw]

Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout
Please double knockout

[styckx]

lol @ Ortiz getting destroyed by someone who hasn't been in a match over a year

[Dirtbag]

My cable cut out right before the main event. I got on with tech support and they were aware of the outage so I'll be getting a refund for this card. Awesome.

[StanUpshaw]

Just when you thought it couldnt get any funnier:

<iframe width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/TbG-GmqyI3A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[StanUpshaw]

I'm actually pretty excited for tonight's show. All the fights on the main card look good.

Amir Sadollah vs. Duane Ludwig
Charles Oliveira vs. Donald Cerrone
Jim Miller vs. Ben Henderson
Dan Hardy vs. Chris Lytle

Both Olivera-Cerrone and Miller-Bendo should be really, really fucking awesome.

Facebook stream has started...fucking awesome quality! (http://modules.ufc.com/Facebook/live-video/player-wrapper.cfm)

[StanUpshaw]

:thumbup: this event :thumbup:

[Dirtbag]

I can't wait for Guilliard/Henderson.

[Gutter]

awesome fights last night. The Hardy/Lytle fight was incredible. I was glad to see him get a win to cap off his career. Lorenzo Fertitta already tweeted that Hardy won't be cut because he loves to see fighters that war.

[Fallon]

I loved Miller vs Henderson.

[Gutter]

I loved Miller vs Henderson.

That's another automatic favorite for me because of the Jersey thing, so I was not a fan of the outcome, but it was incredibly impressive to see Henderson just own a guy as talented as Miller.

[StanUpshaw]

Winning streaks don't mean a whole lot when they're all guys who've never sniffed the top ten.

[spe5150]

Prelims for UFC Rio (134) underway on Facebook.

edit:

And live discussion going on here. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=2884099)

[StanUpshaw]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/UFC_FN_25_poster.jpg

Say what now? Court McGee vs. Dongi Yang is the semi main? :huh:






http://i.imgur.com/Ovcjt.png

Oh. Now I get it.

[Dirtbag]

Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos live and free on Fox.

Dana finally makes up for UFC 112.

[cougarjake13]

Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos live and free on Fox.

Dana finally makes up for UFC 112.

indeed awesomeness

[spe5150]

Lesnar vs. Overeem in a 5-Round Main Event - Las Vegas, Dec. 30th (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html)

[StanUpshaw]

Interesting. I want to be excited, but both guys have lost so much luster. The dismal state of the HW division probably makes this for #1 contendership.

I think the matchup favors Overeem. He had good enough TDD to stymie Lesnar, and is a million times better on the feet. I could see it being a really boring fight, with four-minute takedown/takedown defense stalemates. And of course they'll both gas, and the last three rounds will be a lot of staring & circling.

But it's the type of fight that I could see myself getting hyped up for, if they build it up correctly. Lesnar should play up the retirement angle or something like that.

[King Imp]

Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos live and free on Fox.

Dana finally makes up for UFC 112.

Nice! :thumbup:

Now add Clay Guida vs Ben Henderson (http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/6937704/clay-guida-benson-henderson-agree-november-ufc-bout) to that card as well.

[spe5150]

What the fuck, Nick?

Condit Replaces Diaz in UFC 137 Main Event Welterweight Title Fight (http://www.mmamania.com/2011/9/7/2410984/georges-st-pierre-vs-carlos-condit-booked-with-nick-diaz-out-of-ufc)

[Gutter]

What the fuck, Nick?

Condit Replaces Diaz in UFC 137 Main Event Welterweight Title Fight (http://www.mmamania.com/2011/9/7/2410984/georges-st-pierre-vs-carlos-condit-booked-with-nick-diaz-out-of-ufc)

so now the big question is who fights Penn?

[cougarjake13]

Interesting. I want to be excited, but both guys have lost so much luster. The dismal state of the HW division probably makes this for #1 contendership.

I think the matchup favors Overeem. He had good enough TDD to stymie Lesnar, and is a million times better on the feet. I could see it being a really boring fight, with four-minute takedown/takedown defense stalemates. And of course they'll both gas, and the last three rounds will be a lot of staring & circling.

But it's the type of fight that I could see myself getting hyped up for, if they build it up correctly. Lesnar should play up the retirement angle or something like that.

but it would be fucked yup if he plays that angle but then wins

is he suposed to retire or fight for the belt

[StanUpshaw]

is he suposed to retire or fight for the belt

yes