UFC/MMA Discussion

[Tenbatsuzen]

velasquez destroyed him. jesus that was embarassing.

Agreed. With everyone slobbing Brock's knob about how much better he gets each fight, Brock looked sloppy and like a rookie in this match. He was trying to end in 30 seconds with the flying knee, got caught, and Cain went to work.

[newport king]

what a fucking letdown of a fight. of course the first time i put money on lesnar this jerkoff loses.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This was the same recipe as the Carwin fight. Brock comes out big to get the fast KO, gets caught up, and looks vulnerable. The difference? Cain finished, Carwin didn't.

[Tenbatsuzen]

what a fucking letdown of a fight. of course the first time i put money on lesnar this jerkoff loses.

Brock is a stupid, arrogant fighter. This was bound to happen sooner or later.

[newport king]

diego sanchez saved this entire card. jake shields rolled around for 3 rounds and put me to sleep and apparently won a split decision. brendan schaub got the suprising win over gonzaga. there might have been other fights, i dont remember them. fuck brock.

[Dirtbag]

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I really, really want to know what that's about.

[Tenbatsuzen]

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I really, really want to know what that's about.

I have a feeling that we only know about 1/4 of the heat and beefs that go on in the WWE lockerroom.

That reporter had the DORKIEST voice I've ever heard.

I think Taker was at a loss of words because he was so happy to see Brock get smashed like that but he was trying to keep it diplomatic. His eyes kept moving up so he was trying to think of something to say besides the truth.

[JPMNICK]

crazy to see how undertaker did not look at all scared to stare down Brock

[StanUpshaw]

I imagine Brock might be the kind of person who wouldn't respect the locker room hierarchy that the all-powerful Undertaker holds so sacred.



And he does a gogoplata? How does that not result in a pin for the guy getting gogoplata'd?

I guess that rule only applies when one of your top stars is about to get his arm snapped by a trainee.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

I imagine Brock might be the kind of person who wouldn't respect the locker room hierarchy that the all-powerful Undertaker holds so sacred.


Shocking. A guy like Brock not having respect? I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

[Willmore]

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Buffer does know that he's not fighting, right? Also, that his job doesn't really matter and can be done by a monkey or Stephen Hawking.

[Willmore]

This was the same recipe as the Carwin fight. Brock comes out big to get the fast KO, gets caught up, and looks vulnerable. The difference? Cain finished, Carwin didn't.

Same thing happened in the first Frank Mir fight - Brock starts strong, isn't disciplined, gets in a bad position, gets submitted.

[Crippler]

Same thing happened in the first Frank Mir fight - Brock starts strong, isn't disciplined, gets in a bad position, gets submitted.

When it comes right down to it, Brock just doesn't have much MMA skill. He's a freak of nature in his size, strength, & speed. He's used that to overpower people but when someone on the other end of his fists has the size or skill to weather the initial storm you see that Brock isn't that talented: on the ground he was out-jits'ed by Mir; in the stand-up he was outboxed by both Carwin & Cain. If Shane didn't have every muscle in his body cramp & seize on him, it would have been Shane fighting Cain this past weekend. Brock will be back, though, because his ridiculous size will continue to be enough to get by against 90%+ of the fighters in the world. If he ever actually cares enough to learn how to fight he will truly be as close to unbeatable as we've ever seen.

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I really, really want to know what that's about.

That is really odd. Not that Brock isn't enough of a douche to have a problem with a former coworker, but in his last fight it seemed like all the former WWE guys who were there (JR, Austin, Rock, Taker, etc.) gave Brock a hug or handshake & all seemed to be there to support him. Wonder if we'll ever find out the truth?

[newport king]

Same thing happened in the first Frank Mir fight - Brock starts strong, isn't disciplined, gets in a bad position, gets submitted.

brock was standing and mir was on his back. thats not exactly bad position.
mir was just better.

[Bob Impact]

I imagine Brock might be the kind of person who wouldn't respect the locker room hierarchy that the all-powerful Undertaker holds so sacred.



And he does a gogoplata? How does that not result in a pin for the guy getting gogoplata'd?

I guess that rule only applies when one of your top stars is about to get his arm snapped by a trainee.

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I still dont buy this, the whole point of the thing was a shoot wrestling match, not an MMA fight. Puder puts on a kimura and gets pinned. I agree the pin was suspect but at the end of the day you have one giant star wrestling and one unproven kid trying to lock MMA holds on to make a name for himself, you count that pin.

[StanUpshaw]

Puder got pinned. That's fine. But how does the Undertaker get away with performing a submission where he's flat on his back?

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All I'm asking is that the rules of professional wrestling be consistently enforced. Is that so much to ask?

[StanUpshaw]

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You're the best, 4chan

[TripleSkeet]

If Shane didn't have every muscle in his body cramp & seize on him, it would have been Shane fighting Cain this past weekend.

Is that the excuse they are using now for Carwin getting beat? What bullshit. Was he kicking Brocks ass with standup? Absolutely. But he lost because Brock choked the life out of him, end of story.

[StanUpshaw]

He lost because he utterly gassed out. It could have been a choke, it could have been ANY other technique. He had nothing left.

[TripleSkeet]

He lost because he utterly gassed out. It could have been a choke, it could have been ANY other technique. He had nothing left.

Brock wasnt exactly a ball of energy in that 2nd round either.

[Dirtbag]

on the ground he was out-jits'ed by MirBrock Lesnar and Frank Mir have spent roughly 9 minutes in a cage together. Mir was winning for a grand total of about 15 seconds of those 9 minutes. Yeah, Brock was totally out done by Mir. And that wasn't in the guy's second fight ever or anything.

If Brock can get - and keep - someone on the ground, he beats everyone in the heavyweight division, including Nogueira, Werdum, and Fedor. He's just got to work on his reaction to getting hit. It's not like Brock is getting Arlovski'd. Neither Carwin's ridiculous power or Velasquez's volume and accuracy put Lesnar out cold, he just goes into probably the worst panic-mode I've ever seen from a professional fighter.

[Crippler]

Neither Carwin's ridiculous power or Velasquez's volume and accuracy put Lesnar out cold, he just goes into probably the worst panic-mode I've ever seen from a professional fighter.

That's pretty much what I was saying, he's just not a skilled fighter, but he's so freakishly strong that it makes up for his inexperience 90% of the time.

[Willmore]

Having the muscle mass of Lesnar is an all or nothing affair. If he doesn't get a quick result, he gets gassed by the second round, just because of the tremendous amount of oxygen required to power all that muscle.

[Gutter]

Having the muscle mass of Lesnar is an all or nothing affair. If he doesn't get a quick result, he gets gassed by the second round, just because of the tremendous amount of oxygen required to power all that muscle.

I don't think he gets gassed so much as he's not used to getting hit in the face for real, over and over. He's been looking more and more lean the longer he's been training, but his striking and footwork or lack thereof were his downfall in the fight against Cain. He'll come back and keep getting better, but he's got some serious work to do.

[Willmore]

I don't think he gets gassed so much as he's not used to getting hit in the face for real, over and over. He's been looking more and more lean the longer he's been training, but his striking and footwork or lack thereof were his downfall in the fight against Cain. He'll come back and keep getting better, but he's got some serious work to do.

In this fight there wasn't enough time for him to get gassed, but if you look at the Herring fight, he was out of it in the 2nd. He still had the wrestling to take Heath down and just lie on him for 2 more rounds, but he had no energy to do any gnp.

[Gutter]

In this fight there wasn't enough time for him to get gassed, but if you look at the Herring fight, he was out of it in the 2nd. He still had the wrestling to take Heath down and just lie on him for 2 more rounds, but he had no energy to do any gnp.

thats true....luckily for Brock though, cardio is something you can attain.....its also easier to improve your striking and foot work more than any other in the MMA game. Imagine how dominant lesnar will be with excellent cardio and a vastly improved striking game? thats terrifying.

[Bob Impact]

Puder got pinned. That's fine. But how does the Undertaker get away with performing a submission where he's flat on his back?

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All I'm asking is that the rules of professional wrestling be consistently enforced. Is that so much to ask?

Clearly it's because he has zombies underneath the ring that push his shoulders up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I said this before... Brock is such a glory hound that he wants to get that big moment that will be remembered forever. So he tries to manufacture it instead of letting it happen organically. I guess the comparison would be that he wants to be Tom Brady but he's more like Brett Favre.

He tried to make that moment at Wrestlemania, when he went for that SERIOUSLY ill-advised SSP. FAIL.

He tries to go big, go fast in his MMA matches because he wants to have that sick, killer knockout that makes all the highlight reels. It's a stupid thing if I ever saw it.

[Dirtbag]

Now would be the perfect time for the UFC to bring back Tim Sylvia. A former UFC champion, a legit striker, and a fairly big name, yet still a very likely win for Brock.

He tried to make that moment at Wrestlemania, when he went for that SERIOUSLY ill-advised SSP. FAIL.Please. I don't disagree with your point in general, but he'd been doing the SSP for years, and from that distance, with essentially nobody even watching him. He just had the unfortunate luck to fuck it up at the absolute worst time possible.

[TripleSkeet]

Please. I don't disagree with your point in general, but he'd been doing the SSP for years, and from that distance, with essentially nobody even watching him. He just had the unfortunate luck to fuck it up at the absolute worst time possible.

Exactly. Ill advised? He did that move a million times in the indies. He was just waiting for the perfect moment to do it, and I agreed that Mania was it. Its just a shame the ropes were too tight and Angle was too far ffor it to go as planned, but why would you fault the guy for trying to make what couldve been an amazing Wrestlemania moment?

[Gutter]

ITS FUCKING OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!

WEC MERGES WITH UFC

JOSE ALDO TO DEFEND TITLE JAN 1ST!!!!!!!!

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[Crippler]

As much as I feel for the guys who were fighting in UFC undercards who will now have to wait even longer to get their shot on the main card, this is great news for the UFC fans. The 135s & 145s always entertain & with the ever-expanding amount of UFC events, this will go a long way to filling out some cards that would be otherwise underwhelming. And the possible/probable addition of a future 125 lb division is even better. It's a good day to be an MMA fan.

[Gutter]

As much as I feel for the guys who were fighting in UFC undercards who will now have to wait even longer to get their shot on the main card, this is great news for the UFC fans. The 135s & 145s always entertain & with the ever-expanding amount of UFC events, this will go a long way to filling out some cards that would be otherwise underwhelming. And the possible/probable addition of a future 125 lb division is even better. It's a good day to be an MMA fan.

indeed.....also announced......

Aldo defends his title Jan 1st.

winner of Ben Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis fights winner of Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard.

[Dirtbag]

Being on the undercard of a UFC event is a bigger payday than being on the main card of a WEC show unless your name is Urijah Faber.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Korean Zombie - Garcia rematch plz

[Tenbatsuzen]

Exactly. Ill advised? He did that move a million times in the indies. He was just waiting for the perfect moment to do it, and I agreed that Mania was it. Its just a shame the ropes were too tight and Angle was too far ffor it to go as planned, but why would you fault the guy for trying to make what couldve been an amazing Wrestlemania moment?

Well, Brock got his amazing Wrestlemania moment... when the entire fucking Garden turned on him.

[newport king]

not that i disagree with anything youre saying tenbats, but you might be the biggest brock hater i've ever seen. im starting to wonder if he scumbagged you in real life.

[Tenbatsuzen]

not that i disagree with anything youre saying tenbats, but you might be the biggest brock hater i've ever seen. im starting to wonder if he scumbagged you in real life.

I never liked Brock in the WWE, I think he's an asshole in UFC (Think Kyle Busch) and he fucks the Cryptkeeper.

No. I don't like Brock.

[StanUpshaw]

Koscheck makes TV worth watching.


HA! I love Kizer fucking scolding the twat!





Drunken French Muay Thai guy deserves his own series.

[Crippler]

Koscheck makes TV worth watching.

HA! I love Kizer fucking scolding the twat!

I really hope we find out that Kos was kinda putting on the douche routine for the entertainment value. Now, I don't doubt he's a douche, I've hated him since he was in the house in season 1...but if he was serious about GSP bringing the EMT guy in just to do his shit-talking for him, then Kos is mentally unstable. Especially when it seems (although I guess it could be an edit-for-maximum-enjoyment situation) that Kos initiated every exchange between the two. And suddenly when the EMT brings up his awful, cowardly acting job on that Daley knee, he gets bent out of shape & puts his hands on the guy?! What a fucking dickbag. An entertaining dickbag, but one I would like to hit with a shovel.

Drunken French Muay Thai guy deserves his own series.

I was absolutely tune in for that!

[TripleSkeet]

I really hope we find out that Kos was kinda putting on the douche routine for the entertainment value. Now, I don't doubt he's a douche, I've hated him since he was in the house in season 1...but if he was serious about GSP bringing the EMT guy in just to do his shit-talking for him, then Kos is mentally unstable. Especially when it seems (although I guess it could be an edit-for-maximum-enjoyment situation) that Kos initiated every exchange between the two. And suddenly when the EMT brings up his awful, cowardly acting job on that Daley knee, he gets bent out of shape & puts his hands on the guy?! What a fucking dickbag. An entertaining dickbag, but one I would like to hit with a shovel.



I was absolutely tune in for that!

Im believing most of that shit was staged. Earlier he acted like he was getting pissed when it was obvious they were both clowning around with the plunger and trashcan.

I was dying to see if he was gonna get cocky with the french dude. When he was asking him what he was drinking and the guy was actually, like drinking liquor. It wouldve been hilarious to see that drunk bastard fuck him up like Van Damme in kickboxer.

[RingWraith]

I never liked Brock in the WWE, I think he's an asshole in UFC (Think Kyle Busch) and he fucks the Cryptkeeper.

No. I don't like Brock.

I was a big fan of Brock Lesner when he was in the WWE. But I was extremely disappointed when he decided to leave after only years as a big star there. He would've still been a major star now if he stayed.

Anyhoo, I do like watching his fights in UFC, but I never liked the fact that he sometimes act like a douche in some pre or post fights in the past. But oh well.

Anyone know who he might fight next?

[Gutter]

I was a big fan of Brock Lesner when he was in the WWE. But I was extremely disappointed when he decided to leave after only years as a big star there. He would've still been a major star now if he stayed.

Anyhoo, I do like watching his fights in UFC, but I never liked the fact that he sometimes act like a douche in some pre or post fights in the past. But oh well.

Anyone know who he might fight next?

The rumor is that the UFC wants to put on the rubber match of Lesnar vs. Mir......but Lesnar has called our Roy Nelson since Nelsons fight with Carwin is off the books because of Carwins back surgery.

[Serpico1103]

Im believing most of that shit was staged. Earlier he acted like he was getting pissed when it was obvious they were both clowning around with the plunger and trashcan.

I was dying to see if he was gonna get cocky with the french dude. When he was asking him what he was drinking and the guy was actually, like drinking liquor. It wouldve been hilarious to see that drunk bastard fuck him up like Van Damme in kickboxer.

Because the show is edited, most likely to push a certain storyline, it is hard to tell what is real and what isn't.
It did seem like the two were joking with the trashcan and plunger, but that doesn't mean it can't cross line later, as it appeared it did when he grabbed his throat.
Kos is coming off as a douche, he wants to be a trash talker, but all he has is "male nurse." Which would make sense if the guy was a nurse, but EMT is a male dominated profession, so it makes no sense at all.
I was glad Cody(?) chocked that guy out so quick.

[TripleSkeet]

Because the show is edited, most likely to push a certain storyline, it is hard to tell what is real and what isn't.
It did seem like the two were joking with the trashcan and plunger, but that doesn't mean it can't cross line later, as it appeared it did when he grabbed his throat.
Kos is coming off as a douche, he wants to be a trash talker, but all he has is "male nurse." Which would make sense if the guy was a nurse, but EMT is a male dominated profession, so it makes no sense at all.
I was glad Cody(?) chocked that guy out so quick.

I love that dude Cody. Hes got balls the size of churchbells. All they keep saying is how he has no major MMA training, like jiu jitsu or muy thai, yet every time he gets in the octagon he chokes his opponent out like its nothing. Not to mention he shows absolutely no fear of Koschek at all. I really believe hed get in the ring with him right there if they offered it to him.

The best was the look on Koscheks face when he said "Id love to get my hands on you in the cage" and Cody was like "Ill talk to Dana, maybe he can set something up." Fucking hysterical.

[StanUpshaw]

I was absolutely tune in for that!

I'm still ROFLing about when he locked the Injun in a 10-minute embrace and thanked him for America.

[StanUpshaw]

So there was a UFC on Saturday? Were they deliberately keeping it a secret?

[Willmore]

So there was a UFC on Saturday? Were they deliberately keeping it a secret?

It was on Spike. And extremely boring.

[Dirtbag]

It was on Spike. And extremely boring.
It really wasn't that bad. I'd have been furious had I paid $40 for it, with or without Sakara/Rivera, but the fights themselves weren't half bad. The UFC certainly could have put something together with more name value, but most fans need to stop being such starfuckers and just enjoy the fights, particularly when they're free.

[King Imp]

The idea of a #1 contenders match between Marquardt and Okami was a good one and I really looked forward to seeing it, but it definitely didn't live up to the hype. Marquardt looked hesitant through most of the fight to engage and because of that there was way too much inactivity going on.

[torker]

It was on Spike. And extremely boring.

Agreed.

The WEC last week was pretty good.
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[Crippler]

The idea of a #1 contenders match between Marquardt and Okami was a good one and I really looked forward to seeing it, but it definitely didn't live up to the hype. Marquardt looked hesitant through most of the fight to engage and because of that there was way too much inactivity going on.

Agreed...it was the kind of fight that if they hadn't said the winner got a definite title shot but only alluded to it, that lackluster performance by both fighters would have make Dana & Joe Silva rethink the idea & find a new contender.

[StanUpshaw]

Agreed...it was the kind of fight that if they hadn't said the winner got a definite title shot but only alluded to it, that lackluster performance by both fighters would have make Dana & Joe Silva rethink the idea & find a new contender.

They need to force GSP to sack up and fight for the 185 belt. Neither he nor Silva have anyone left in their divisions. They're giving second title shots to guys who got humbled the first time around. At 170 it's Koscheck now and probably Fitch next. At 185 Okami, Marquardt and Sonnen are the only guys on the horizon...unless Belfort wins, then they'll have an immediate rematch. I say Wanderlei should get a shot just because it could be a fun 2 minutes.

But I seriously think GSP is just a fucking asshole for not wanting to move up after dominating the way he has. What kind of champion is that?

[torker]

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[StanUpshaw]

I think that's on the undercard of the Dream NYE show.

[StanUpshaw]

Words can't describe my excitement. It can only be done in song:

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[Tenbatsuzen]

BJ just fucked up Matt in 21 seconds.

[StanUpshaw]

That was a disappointing night. I think it was a pretty good event, but the battles I had wished for didn't really materialize.

I'm super happy for George. That fight had a few great minutes, but I really built up my expectations that it would be a fight of the year candidate.

I had the same hopes for Hughes-Penn. I wanted to relive how their second fight felt. That stretch in '06 where Hughes, Penn & GSP were all battling for the WW belt was my absolute favorite period in the history of the UFC. I had goosbumps when the lights went down and Hank came on. I was so ready for that fight! For it to end like that was so fucking depressing.

Plus Karo got knocked out. :(

So Machida probably got robbed. Turnabout is fair play. I'm alright with it, as I'd much rather see a Rampage-Shogun rematch than another Machida-Shogun so soon. But maybe they'll do a Rampage-Machida rematch first and give Rashad his turn at Shogun. And the winner of Bader-Jones can't be ignored either.

Other than that, one interesting thing was the end of the Paul Kelly fight. Big Dan let him pound away in the crucifix for a full 90 seconds before stopping it, and I could have kissed him. That position almost always leads to a stoppage after 10-15 seconds, with the ref disregarding that the punches are doing no damage. The guy on the bottom can give up any time he wants, so I say let the them go the whole round in that position if that's how it goes. But 90 seconds is far than the usual, and I hope other refs follow his lead.

[StanUpshaw]

Oh! Almost forgot.

The Matt Brown-Brian Foster fight was outstanding. Brown is one of my absolute favorite fighters. I don't care if he loses three more in a row, if the UFC cuts him, I will drive to Vegas and mash a handful of my own feces right in Dana White's face.

[Dirtbag]

Nobody got robbed. While I personally did have it 29-28 Rampage, the only thing I know for sure is Machida won round 3. If anything this is just another mark against the 10-point must system, not a sign of more incompetant judging.

[newport king]

Plus Karo got knocked out. :(

So Machida probably got robbed.

i was out at a family thing last night and got home for the main event and rewatched most of the card this morning. did they show the karo fight on tv? i must've missed it. i was always a fan.

and i felt rampage won the first 2 rounds. it looked like machida was afraid of his power. kicked and ran for the first 2 and caught him well in the 3rd. when rampage exploded machida stepped in nicely and took him down but didnt do much while he was there. and it was a nice escape from rampage.

[StanUpshaw]

It was nothing egregious like a Bisping-Hamill or Machida-Shogun, but the wrong guy got his hand raised. I'm not going to shed any tears for Machida, since neither of them really did enough to earn a win.

[StanUpshaw]

Busy night.

Not really much to talk about from the TUF finale. I don't think either Johnson or Brookins are ready for UFC LW. Brookins will almost certainly drop back down to 145, but like we saw, he has glaring deficiencies on his feet. As far as Johnson goes, I won't doubt the potential Kos and GSP saw in him, but what can you say...his strength is wrestling and he got out-wrestled by a featherweight.

Another joke of a judgment in the Phan-Garcia fight. Two close rounds and one dominant round, and the wrong guy ends up winning. It's high time the UFC starts fighting for control of their sport. The "struggle for legitimacy" is over, it's time to stop making concessions to the bureaucrats.

I love Cody. He's a great personality, plus it's just so much fun for a guy to have a "finisher." But I don't think he really stands much of a chance in the UFC. We'll probably never seem him on the main card again. Hope I'm wrong.

Maia-Grove was boring and I don't like either of them. That's about all I can remember.


On to the UFC time capsule...
None of the fights were particularly great. Bigfoot-Kyle was the only competitive one. But HOLY SHIT were those some scary knockouts!

The Haitian guy looks really dangerous, but how can you not finish that fight!? A 30-25 fight should never have to go to the judges. Maybe the GSP allusions are not far off (in that aspect at least!)

Mike Kyle, the only guy dirtier than Gilbert Yvel, got pounded silly. I'm good with that.

I think Lindland died. :(

Dana shot himself in the foot with the Daley situation. Sure, he was only fighting Scott "The Brooklyn Brawler" Smith, but Daley's a legit contender. Banishing him is all the more absurd given the fact that the UFC hired the aforementioned Gilbert Yvel.

Who doesn't love Hendo? The knockout was great, but the real story of this fight was how douche-chilly Mauro Renallo can be. Him trying all night to coin "H-bomb" was the creepiest thing he's ever done (including his "10 inch pole" line). I laughed my ass off when Pat and Frank shut him down. What a fucking tool that guy is. He's such an ass I almost can't hate him.

[Dirtbag]

More fuck ups from the UFC, or more likely Spike, last night. Cody wasn't actually on the main card, his prelim fight was shown because it was quick and they needed filler. Fredson Paixão vs. Pablo Garza, the first featherweight bout in the history of the UFC ended by flying knee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fomOVEq7wEc) in 51 seconds of round 1 and didn't make the main card because one of the higher-ups likes Cody.

[King Imp]

Another joke of a judgment in the Phan-Garcia fight. Two close rounds and one dominant round, and the wrong guy ends up winning. It's high time the UFC starts fighting for control of their sport. The "struggle for legitimacy" is over, it's time to stop making concessions to the bureaucrats.

I love what Joe Rogan had to say. Finally someone who isn't afraid to call out the Nevada Athletic Commission and call the officials incompetant. This is really beyond pathetic at this point that judges are fucking up simple calls and the Commission refuses to see a problem.

I had no problem with Garcia maybe winning round 1, but Phan clearly won rounds 2 and 3 and for any judge to say Garcia won all 3 rounds is insulting. I guess throwing wild, overhand punches that don't come close to landing counts as winning rounds these days.

[StanUpshaw]

The 30-27 score was for Phan.

[King Imp]

The 30-27 score was for Phan.

Yeah, I realized that after the time expired for me to be able to edit.
Still, two judges thinking Garcia won is ridiculous. He got dominated in round 2 and did nothing but throw sloppy punches in round 3 of which none connected. That's why I said I guess throwing wild, overhand punches that don't come close to landing counts as winning rounds these days.

[StanUpshaw]

That's why I said I guess throwing wild, overhand punches that don't come close to landing counts as winning rounds these days.

Worked for Rampage

[StanUpshaw]

I expect to have everyone's FotY candidates on my desk by 5 o'clock on Friday.

And don't just copy off your neighbor and put Garcia vs. KorZom. Show a little originality, please.

[Dirtbag]

I don't know what criteria to use for FotY. If we're just going sheer adrenaline rush it's a toss up between Carwin/Lesnar and Sonnen/Silva because I almost had a heart attack during both. Sonnen/Silva might win under pretty much any criteria for that matter.

[Gutter]

Jeffery David Kirby found guilty in death of Charles "Mask" Lewis.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/21681/jeffrey-david-kirby-found-guilty-in-death-of-tapouts-charles-mask-lewis.mma

sucks to be that guy.

[Gutter]

my FOTY has got to go to Leben vs. Akiyama. Leben took it on short notice, Akiyama was a hype machine at the time, the fight went back and forth for three rounds before Leben pulled off a wild submission with about 20secs. left in the last round. Leben looked like friggin Frankenstein getting mashed in the face and still moving forward during the fight......incredible to watch from front to back, incredible finish, and it doesn't hurt that i'm a huge fan of Leben.


KO of the year......I'm thinking Rua vs. Machida.

Fighter of the year.....I'm going with Frankie Edgar.....dude beat a legend twice in one year winning and defending his LW title.

[StanUpshaw]

I don't know what criteria to use for FotY. If we're just going sheer adrenaline rush it's a toss up between Carwin/Lesnar and Sonnen/Silva because I almost had a heart attack during both. Sonnen/Silva might win under pretty much any criteria for that matter.

That sort of shit definitely figures in for me. I'm considering Sotiropoulos vs. Stevenson and the Aussie crowd atmosphere played a big part in what made that fight great.

[Gutter]

That sort of shit definitely figures in for me. I'm considering Sotiropoulos vs. Stevenson and the Aussie crowd atmosphere played a big part in what made that fight great.

Soto is a good canidate for Fighter of the Year as well. Had three fights against top ten talent in LW division in 2010 and came out 3-0.

[StanUpshaw]

Yeah, I have plenty of stuff to watch before I can make my decision. I have just not found the time to keep up with Bellator...nor Sengoku -- and I hear that Misaki fight may be FotY by a long shot.

[Gutter]

Yeah, I have plenty of stuff to watch before I can make my decision. I have just not found the time to keep up with Bellator...nor Sengoku -- and I hear that Misaki fight may be FotY by a long shot.

It was a nominee at the world MMA awards thats airing tonight on VS. It was filmed Dec 1st so they have the results of the show on mmajunkie.com main page.

[Willmore]

I don't have the memory to pick FoY. But the ones people have mentioned were pretty good.

[StanUpshaw]

I'll be damned. Look at what HDNet just put up:

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[StanUpshaw]

LAST MINUTE PREDICTIONS!

Bold = Think will win
Italic = Want to win

Thiago Alves vs. John Howard
Don't really care about either guy. Probably soemthing close to a must-win for Alves.


Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
Mac will do his best to keep it on the feet, but eventually Joe will get ahold of him and squeeze.


Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
Almost certainly will be fight of the night. Oliveira is the next big thing.


Stefan Struve vs. Sean McCorkle
Don't care about either guy, but McCorkle impressed me against Hunt.


Georges St-Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Christ, this will be boring. Keithy will start a thread about all the dumb stuff he does after watching this fight.

[TripleSkeet]

Koschek now has a grapefruit for an eye.

[newport king]

alves looked great, hopefull gsp will move up in weight. kos showed he had heart but was out of his league.

[StanUpshaw]

Only 2 for 5. Unfortunately the one I was hoping would be false was all too prescient. Twenty-five minutes of "executing the gameplan." Koscheck was right. GSP is nothing but a robot. He's an immaculately constructed athletics robot that Greg Jackson feeds little punchcards into.

10 Jab
20 Jab
30 Straight
40 goto 10

[StanUpshaw]

In other news, the K1 Finals was an amazing show. Anyone with any interest in fightsports should try to track it down.

[Crippler]

In other news, the K1 Finals was an amazing show. Anyone with any interest in fightsports should try to track it down.

Couldn't agree more. I'm not really into K-1 all that much throughout the year, but the final 8 of the yearly Grand Prix is usually very good. This year was fantastic. Gökhan Saki vs. Daniel Ghiţă in the 1st round had me cringing from my comfy chair at home...can't imagine how either of them felt the next day. Probably a lot like Uriah Faber's hammies & quads after the Aldo fight, only those two had to be bruised from their armpits to their knees.

If you like striking, find yourself a torrent of this card, it's well worth a couple hours of your time.

[StanUpshaw]

Holy shit. If most of those guys aren't pissing blood for a week, I'm fucking amazed. I think Mighty Mo was the lucky one...a couple quick shots to the chin and he was free to spend the rest of the night watching live bukkake shows (or whatever it is they do for fun in Tokyo).

[Crippler]

In other news, the K1 Finals was an amazing show. Anyone with any interest in fightsports should try to track it down.

Encore presentation tonight on HDnet at 10pm if anyone is interested.

[newport king]

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ho-ly-shit! ho-ly-shit! ho-ly-shit!

[Crippler]

That was an insane strike to land, or even attempt. Even though I was rooting for Henderson, you can't be disappointed with that fight. The 4th round was one of the most entertaining rounds I've seen since Guida/Sanchez. WEC went out in style with that card.

Also, love Molly Qerim.

[StanUpshaw]

Copying this from another thread because it's awesome:

Leonard Garcia def.
Jens Pulver def.
BJ Penn def.
Matt Serra def.
George St. Pierre def.
Karo Parisyan def.
Nick Diaz def.
Hayato Sakurai def.
Daiju Takase def.
Anderson Silva def.
Forrest Griffin def.
Mauricio Rua def.
Lyoto Machida def.
Sokoudjou def.
Joaquim Ferreira def.
Junior dos Santos def.
Fabricio Werdum def.
Fedor Emelianenko def.
Hong-Man Choi

[StanUpshaw]

True Korean Zombie:
http://i.imgur.com/gHLsY.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

Alright, I finally got the entire 6.5 hour Dynamite show in full 720p glory. By the time I trudge through that, the Sengoku show should be available, and once that's done, UFC 125 will be ready to view.

The annual New Year's MMArathon begins right now!



Man, if I don't see Takada in a diaper, I'm going to be pissed.

[newport king]

predictions for tonight? ive watched frankie beat bj's ass twice yet im still not a believer.

[StanUpshaw]

predictions for tonight? ive watched frankie beat bj's ass twice yet im still not a believer.

I just hit the four-hour intermission on Dynamite, and I need a break from their crazy animu hi-jinks. What better respite than to analyze some mechanical, by-the-numbers American MMA! Give me a few minutes.

[StanUpshaw]

Actually, looking at the card, there should be plenty of balls-out slugfests



Phil Baroni vs. Brad Tavares -- BOSF#1 Baroni wins cause he's a badass and Tavares is kinda fruity

Josh Grispi vs. Dustin Poirier -- I don't know much about either guy, only that Grispi is the obvious favorite. But nothing is certain when it comes to the mighty mites.

Marcus Davis vs. Jeremy Stephens -- BOSF#2 Stephens because he's from Iowa and I'm a homer
----
Clay Guida vs. Takanori Gomi -- BOSF#3 I don't believe either of these guys can resist wailing on each other. I think it's essentially a toss-up, but Gomi is the "better" striker and I can't ignore the Pride nostalgia.

Nate Diaz vs. Dong Hyun Kim -- He's a Diaz, he ain't no bitch.

Brandon Vera vs.Thiago Silva -- Vera can't handle another loss, so he'll be as cautious and methodical as possible, and grind out a decision.

Chris Leben vs. Brian Stann -- BOSF#4 I hate any golden boy, and I hope he gets mauled.

Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard -- I don't believe either. It will go five rounds and Maynard will grind it out. I predict several years of musical chairs in the LW division.

[StanUpshaw]

I just watched the Saku fight.

:ohmy: The top half of his ear just got torn off. :ohmy:
The fucking craziest part is that I was genuinely relieved when they called the fight and that was the only damage he sustained. If that fight had taken its natural course, without a doubt he would've been brutally knocked out yet again, and the inevitable onset of Parkinson's would have come that much sooner.

[newport king]

not the fight i was expecting from guida/gomi but as usual the asian gets his ass beat in the ufc.

[newport king]

i take back what i said earlier about edgar. holy shit he's got heart.

[StanUpshaw]

Burn down the NSAC.

[newport king]

i had edgar winning, and maynard at best would get a draw so i didn;t mind the decision. but 1 judge had it 48-46 maynard? really? how do i become a judge?

[StanUpshaw]

You are high.

Round 1 was UNQUESTIONABLY 10-8 Maynard (if not worse)
Round 2 was solidly Edgar
Round 3 was Maynard
Round 4 was Edgar
Round 5 was in all fairness a 10-10, but even if you gave it to Edgar, you'd get a 47-47 draw. And I could see someone giving it to Maynard, making it 48-46 Maynard.

I don't know how anyone could give 2-5 ALL to Edgar.

[Dirtbag]

Rogan seems to have transferred every last bit of love he had for BJ over to Frankie after the 2nd fight. "I've never seen someone survive such a beating in round one and recover in round 2." Carwin/Lesnar was ages ago and a very forgettable fight wasn't it?

[StanUpshaw]

Rogan seems to have transferred every last bit of love he had for BJ over to Frankie after the 2nd fight. "I've never seen someone survive such a beating in round one and recover in round 2." Carwin/Lesnar was ages ago and a very forgettable fight wasn't it?

Frankie doesn't use the rubber guard, so it can't be all his love.

[newport king]

rd 1 10-8 maynard
rd 2 10-9 edgar
rd 3 10-9 edgar (aside from 4 good shots edgar won that rd IMO)
rd 4 10-9 edgar
rd 5 i'll go 10-10 but no judge EVER does this so pick one for a 10-9.

i'm not complaining about the draw as it was a close fight. but no way did i think maynard beat the champion. i was shocked it wasn't stopped in the 1st after the uppercut. the ref must not have seen his eyes.

[StanUpshaw]

The end result was a draw, and I would've been perfectly happy with a 47-47 draw, so really no harm done.

I just really wanted to have one pick go my way :glurps:

[newport king]

why is it asian Pride guys come here and usually get their asses handed to them?

[StanUpshaw]

why is it asian Pride guys come here and usually get their asses handed to them?

Didn't you know?

Wrestling Ruins Everything.

[Crippler]

i had edgar winning, and maynard at best would get a draw so i didn;t mind the decision. but 1 judge had it 48-46 maynard? really? how do i become a judge?

You are high.

Round 1 was UNQUESTIONABLY 10-8 Maynard (if not worse)
Round 2 was solidly Edgar
Round 3 was Maynard
Round 4 was Edgar
Round 5 was in all fairness a 10-10, but even if you gave it to Edgar, you'd get a 47-47 draw. And I could see someone giving it to Maynard, making it 48-46 Maynard.

I don't know how anyone could give 2-5 ALL to Edgar.

I'll watch this fight again & pay more close attention, but as we watched it live my cousin & I were in agreement that it was:

Round 1 = 10-8 Maynard
Round 2 = 10-9 Edgar
Round 3 = 10-9 Maynard, but really close
Round 4 = 10-9 Edgar
Round 5 = 10-9 Edgar, but close

So we had it at a 47-47 draw. However, if it was going to go to one fighter, we saw round 5 more solidly for Edgar than round 3 was for Maynard. So if a judge was going to blow a round, we figured it would be in Edgar's favor...so it would end up 48-46 Edgar.

I'll post again after I re-watch, but I lean towards agreeing with Newport.

[Snacks]

i had edgar winning, and maynard at best would get a draw so i didn;t mind the decision. but 1 judge had it 48-46 maynard? really? how do i become a judge?

thats exactly what I said was at best for gray was a draw.

I had it round 1 10-8 gray
rounds 2,4,5 edgar 10-9
and round 3 was a toss up. if you gave it to gray you got a draw if you gave it edgar then he wins!

What a great fight. I have never seen someone come back from a 1st round beating like that to look like he should have won. Lots of heart.

[StanUpshaw]

If you truly think a round is a toss-up, then why not score it 10-10? Unlike the real judges, you're not being paid off by the mafia, so you're free to score fights as they should be.

[Snacks]

If you truly think a round is a toss-up, then why not score it 10-10? Unlike the real judges, you're not being paid off by the mafia, so you're free to score fights as they should be.

actually in boxing if a round is truly a tie its to be scored 9-9 so im guessing its the same in mma? so if it was scored 9-9 it would be 46 for gray and 47 for edgar. edgar wins!


but some judges score close rounds for the champ as would I. I think after the 1st round edgar was the aggressive one, landing more punches and take downs. edgar also prevented and stopped gray from 10 take down tries or more after the 1st round. as me and crippler were watching it we couldnt believe how many times gray, who is considered a better wrestler couldnt get edgar down!

[StanUpshaw]

I have never seen someone come back from a 1st round beating like that to look like he should have won. Lots of heart.

No comeback compares to Sakuraba vs. Smirnovas. I think Saku was clinically dead for several moments.

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[StanUpshaw]

actually in boxing if a round is truly a tie its to be scored 9-9 so im guessing its the same in mma? so if it was scored 9-9 it would be 46 for gray and 47 for edgar. edgar wins!

9-9 scores are news to me!!!!

[Dirtbag]

No comeback compares to Sakuraba vs. Smirnovas. I think Saku was clinically dead for several moments.
I don't think I will bash another American referee again. Joe Rogan is 100% right that the judging/reffing problems here are incompetence. Not the bias that has been going on in Japan for as long as MMA has been around.

[newport king]

No comeback compares to Sakuraba vs. Smirnovas. I think Saku was clinically dead for several moments.

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your japanese culture obsession rivals that of hannah minx.

[StanUpshaw]

Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida Discussed for UFC 129 (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/01/02/randy-couture-vs-lyoto-machida-slated-for-ufc-129/)
Georges St-Pierre vs. Jake Shields Confirmed for UFC 129 (http://www.5thround.com/63915/georges-st-pierre-vs-jake-shields-confirmed-for-ufc-129-in-toronto/)

[StanUpshaw]

UFC 125: Resolution...the most ironic title since UFC 76 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_76)?

[StanUpshaw]

Holy shit how have I not seen this before now!?

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[cougarjake13]

damn looks like a lotta blood in that puke

[StanUpshaw]

Nah, it's just COOOCAAAA-COOOLLAAAAA ZEEEEEEERRROOOOOOOO!

[StanUpshaw]

Chael Sonnen guilty of money laundering, couldn't find a Hispanic patsy. (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5986635)

[StanUpshaw]

Strikeforce is going to find a way to make this suck, but I'll be damned if I'm not more than a little excited about this:

http://i.imgur.com/9fky3.jpg


In fact...I think they've already screwed up by putting Fedor on the same side of the bracket as Overeem/Werdum.

Fedor-Reem is the fight you want in the finals. A Fedor-Werdum rematch is alright too. But why do you waste those matches in the Semis?? Futhermore, how do you look forward to any of those Finals matchups? Barnett is the only one I'd care to see, since we never got to see him fight Fedor in Pride, but in 2011 it's really hard to give a shit about Josh Barnett.

If I was them, I'd switch Arlovski-Kharitonov with Fedor-Silva, then we'd have a good chance of seeing Fedor-Barnett, the new-and-improved Reem vs the new-and-improved? Kharitonov, and probably a Reem-Fedor final.

Whatever. Too much complaining, I gotta go jack off on my Pride DVDs.

[Dirtbag]

I thought that way at first too, but I'm more interested in either Fedor/Overeem or Fedor/Werdum II than I am in the winner of a meaningless tournament. This way we're all but guaranteed to get one of those fights.

[Willmore]

Strikeforce is going to find a way to make this suck, but I'll be damned if I'm not more than a little excited about this:

http://i.imgur.com/9fky3.jpg


In fact...I think they've already screwed up by putting Fedor on the same side of the bracket as Overeem/Werdum.

Fedor-Reem is the fight you want in the finals. A Fedor-Werdum rematch is alright too. But why do you waste those matches in the Semis?? Futhermore, how do you look forward to any of those Finals matchups? Barnett is the only one I'd care to see, since we never got to see him fight Fedor in Pride, but in 2011 it's really hard to give a shit about Josh Barnett.

If I was them, I'd switch Arlovski-Kharitonov with Fedor-Silva, then we'd have a good chance of seeing Fedor-Barnett, the new-and-improved Reem vs the new-and-improved? Kharitonov, and probably a Reem-Fedor final.

Whatever. Too much complaining, I gotta go jack off on my Pride DVDs.

If they do all 4 quarters in one event, that will be the greatest night of heavyweight MMA ever.

[StanUpshaw]

Seriously consider not clicking this link. (http://i.imgur.com/uA75G.jpg)

[Fallon]

Seriously consider not clicking this link. (http://i.imgur.com/uA75G.jpg)

I clicked it!!!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_left5jMLUR1qf8yek.gif

[StanUpshaw]

Has the anticipation for a Maynard-Edgar rematch SEVERELY waned for anyone else? As the days have gone by, the pathos has worn off, and the reality is sinking in that we saw four pretty boring, predictable rounds. These two guys just don't match up well, and my desire to see them fight again is now even lower than it was a week ago.

An entire division full of dudes just as deserving as Maynard is going to have to spin their wheels for another six months so we can find out once and for all who is the best boring-as-fuck wrestler?

[Dirtbag]

Ehh... yes and no. The most deserving challengers are now Pettis, who probably isn't ready, and Clay Guida, who is barely above .500 in the UFC. It's a very similar situation as the HW division. Velasquez is out for almost a year. JDS vs Lesnar is probably the best fight they can make, but its also incredibly stupid. There's not a whole lot of options.

[StanUpshaw]

Pettis doesn't deserve it in any real sense, but it was promised him, so it's shitty that he's not getting it.

Miller and Sotiropoulos are the next legit contenders. Dunham's right behind them. Bendo's next fight will be illuminating. Then you have the guys like Guida and Griffin who have somewhat shitty records, but who have put in the time and deserve a shot. If we're going to talk about rematches...Griffin-Edgar II really ought to happen. Then, of course, you can't ignore old standbys like Sherk and Florian (plus BJ could come back down and destroy most anybody).

In other words, LW is nothing like HW.

[Dirtbag]

I completely forgot about Sotiropoulos who should have been next in line for Edgar/Maynard long before Pettis/Henderson even happened. Other than him I maintain that the division is a mess. Nobody is on a long, pronounced winning streak other than Miller his list of opponents isn't exactly awe inspiring. Florian, Dunham, Henderson, Gomi, Griffin - all coming off losses.

Guida has won his last 3 and finished them all, even if the Dos Anjos fight was odd. He's not a world beater for sure, but he's earned it more than anyone other than Sot.

[StanUpshaw]

They're all coming off losses, but that's the nature of the LW division. Everybody is really fucking good (compared to HW, where everyone is coming off a loss because nobody is very good).

I agree with you that the likes of Miller and Sotiropoulos have unimpressive histories, but that's precisely why they're streaking. Once they rack up some top-tier fights, they will lose too (and end up getting passed over like the Griffin and Guida).

[Dirtbag]

Edgar/Maynard III
Nelson/Mir
Rampage/T. Silva

UFC 130. Very nice.

[King Imp]

Lesnar and Dos Santos the next coaches for TUF (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6012919)

I'd say it's clear who is going to be the "heel" coach this season. :dry:

[Gutter]

Lesnar and Dos Santos the next coaches for TUF (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6012919)

I'd say it's clear who is going to be the "heel" coach this season. :dry:

i'm hyped for that.....i really enjoy lesnar and i'd like to see more of his personality. I'd also like to see a season of heavyweights that show up in shape.

[TripleSkeet]

i'm hyped for that.....i really enjoy lesnar and i'd like to see more of his personality. I'd also like to see a season of heavyweights that show up in shape.

I thought the last time they had all heavweights most of them seemed to be in good shape. Except 1. And hes the one that won it.

[Gutter]

I thought the last time they had all heavweights most of them seemed to be in good shape. Except 1. And hes the one that won it.

i guess by in shape, i meant having more stamina during the fights. schaub, jones, slice, even mitrione, and a few others were technically in decent shape for heavyweights, but none of them had any stamina. they all gassed super quick and it made the majority of the fights really boring.

[StanUpshaw]

It's a welterweight season.

[Gutter]

It's a welterweight season.

yea, i was surprised to read that......i didn't get a chance to read the article until after i posted.......i honestly would have prefered to see a season for the feather and bantamweight classes......take however many fighters from WEC that didn't quite make the cut during the merge and give a few guys an opportunity to make it to the big dance.

[spe5150]

Lesnar and Dos Santos the next coaches for TUF (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6012919)

I'd say it's clear who is going to be the "heel" coach this season. :dry:

I'm sure Lesnar will be TV gold, if for no other reason than him being further exposed as a blithering idiot, but how the hell do you make a fighter a "coach" who has such glaring holes in his own fighting skills? Do Dana, Frank, Lorenzo, & Joe Silva really want their fighters learning anything from Brock? He can't teach these kids how to have freakishly good Norse Warrior genetics so what else does he bring to the table besides some wrestling?

[Dirtbag]

Most of the "coaches" only showed up for the required face time. Brock's team is made up of some of the best in the business and will be geat for the guys who make the show. Brock couldn't possibly be worse than Shamrock or Rampage anyway.

It would have been great to do a BW/FW season if for no other reason than seeing Brock train with 135 pound guys.

[Gutter]

I'm sure Lesnar will be TV gold, if for no other reason than him being further exposed as a blithering idiot, but how the hell do you make a fighter a "coach" who has such glaring holes in his own fighting skills? Do Dana, Frank, Lorenzo, & Joe Silva really want their fighters learning anything from Brock? He can't teach these kids how to have freakishly good Norse Warrior genetics so what else does he bring to the table besides some wrestling?

I think a Div 1 champ brings more to the table than "some" wrestling.

[cougarjake13]

i dont usually watch the tuf but i will with lesnar

[spe5150]

Most of the "coaches" only showed up for the required face time. Brock's team is made up of some of the best in the business and will be geat for the guys who make the show. Brock couldn't possibly be worse than Shamrock or Rampage anyway.

It would have been great to do a BW/FW season if for no other reason than seeing Brock train with 135 pound guys.

OK, can't really argue there.

I think a Div 1 champ brings more to the table than "some" wrestling.

I think I only wrestled for 2 years in grade school, so I don't know shit about high level wrestling, but is there a lot that a behemoth like Brock (who probably got by with a little more brute force & a little less technique) can translate/teach to someone who's 100 pounds lighter than him? I know he's ridiculously agile for his size, but I've got to think his size probably prohibits his flexibility to some degree & therefore you could probably learn more from a Josh Koscheck than Brock Lesnar. Again, I'm ignorant to the workings of the high level wrestler, so maybe it's all the same, that's just my take. Also, as Dirtbag said, I'm sure his camp will provide great tutelage.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm sure Lesnar will be TV gold, if for no other reason than him being further exposed as a blithering idiot, but how the hell do you make a fighter a "coach" who has such glaring holes in his own fighting skills? Do Dana, Frank, Lorenzo, & Joe Silva really want their fighters learning anything from Brock? He can't teach these kids how to have freakishly good Norse Warrior genetics so what else does he bring to the table besides some wrestling?

Dana, Frank, Lorenzo, & Joe Silva don't really give a shit about the fighters. If they make some stars, that's great, but the season is built for one reason: selling PPVs for the fight between the coaches.

[StanUpshaw]

Wow, there is nothing gayer on earth than a UFC weigh-in.

[StanUpshaw]

Random MMA thing:

Why the fuck has it become an acceptable practice that a winning fighter throws his disgusting used mouthpiece into the crowd? This is the sort of thing that athletic commissions should be concerned with. Leave Chael and his shriveled nuts alone.

[StanUpshaw]

"Traumatic brain injury is horrible condition and you should donate immediately. :sad: Now Joe, let's go back to the cage and watch these guys bash each others heads in! :clap:"

[StanUpshaw]

That Edwards-McKenzie fight was fucking bizarre. Before the choke, I was utterly convinced


OMG Fitty Tyson reference


anyway...before the choke, I was utterly convinced that Yves was taking a dive for Cody. He was just ignoring all these opportunities to wreck him. I love Cody, but he had a fucking snowball's chance. Maybe he was just toying with him...it was just really weird.

[TripleSkeet]

OK, can't really argue there.



I think I only wrestled for 2 years in grade school, so I don't know shit about high level wrestling, but is there a lot that a behemoth like Brock (who probably got by with a little more brute force & a little less technique) can translate/teach to someone who's 100 pounds lighter than him? I know he's ridiculously agile for his size, but I've got to think his size probably prohibits his flexibility to some degree & therefore you could probably learn more from a Josh Koscheck than Brock Lesnar. Again, I'm ignorant to the workings of the high level wrestler, so maybe it's all the same, that's just my take. Also, as Dirtbag said, I'm sure his camp will provide great tutelage.

Amateur wrestling is so much more then just size. And if a guy goes from college to actual olympic style theres even more to it. I remember in Kurt Angles book how he came out of college after being a 2 time national champion and hes training with Dave Shultz. He had Shultz by like 40 lbs. at least and said it took 6 months wrestling him every day before he could beat him. The guy was that good.

Theres also the story of how in WWE in front of the other wrestlers he had an amateur match with Brock who outweighed him by god knows how much and basically took Brock to school.

[spe5150]

Not a bad job done by StrikeForce tonight. Roger Gracie/Prangley, not bad. Herschel Walker/40 year old 4-0 fighter, ridiculous, but whatever. Lawler/Jacare was a really good fight. If you're even a casual fan of MMA, however, watch a replay on Showtime, download a torrent, wait for it to hit YouTube, but see the Diaz/Cyborg fight...it was great.

[StanUpshaw]

The Diaz fight was outstanding...maybe as good as his Gomi fight. I fucking love the Diaz's. I've been tagging 209 all over my walls. Hold off the jump to 185 Georgie boy, there's still a WW you need to face.

[spe5150]

The Diaz fight was outstanding...maybe as good as his Gomi fight. I fucking love the Diaz's. I've been tagging 209 all over my walls. Hold off the jump to 185 Georgie boy, there's still a WW you need to face.

I'm usually not a fan of the shit-talkers, in fact I usually loathe them, but for some reason I love the Diaz brothers, especially Nick. Nick's fight with Lawler was one of the fights that cemented me as an MMA fan. I was so pissed when Nick re-upped with Strikeforce. I really wanted to see that GSP fight happen.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm usually not a fan of the shit-talkers, in fact I usually loathe them, but for some reason I love the Diaz brothers, especially Nick. Nick's fight with Lawler was one of the fights that cemented me as an MMA fan. I was so pissed when Nick re-upped with Strikeforce. I really wanted to see that GSP fight happen.

I definitely want to see that fight, but it's not realistic to imagine he'd be much competition for GSP. Most likely he'd end up like Nate in the Kim fight, being taken down repeatedly and beat up for 5 rounds while trying in vain to hook omoplatas and kimuras from the bottom.

[newport king]

herschel walker is 48 years old and the guy is a beast.

[cougarjake13]

herschel walker is 48 years old and the guy is a beast.

heard him on a local radio sports talk show the other day and he said that he could play in the nfl right now and be successful if a team gave him a shot



and you know whats crazy ?? i believe him

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/8muft.jpg

Official fight card

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: United States Mike Pierce vs. Kenny Robertson
Light Heavyweight bout: Ricardo Romero vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Lightweight bout: Paul Taylor vs. Gabe Ruediger

Preliminary card (Facebook Stream)
Bantamweight bout: Norifumi Yamamoto vs. Demetrious Johnson

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Featherweight bout: Chad Mendes vs. Michihiro Omigawa
Lightweight bout: Donald Cerrone vs. Paul Kelly

Main card
Bantamweight bout: Miguel Torres vs. Antonio Banuelos
Light Heavyweight bout: Jon Jones vs. Ryan Bader
Welterweight bout: Jake Ellenberger vs. Carlos Eduardo Rocha
Light Heavyweight bout: Forrest Griffin vs. Rich Franklin
Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Vitor Belfort


This is perhaps the best card in the history of the UFC, so buy the PPV and join all your buddays for an awesome night of fights.

If you need help figuring out how to "order the PPV," let me know and I'll PM you the deets.

[StanUpshaw]

First up, beginning at 8:25 PM East: Kid vs. Demetrious Johnson

Watch it live on Facebook. Click this link (http://www.facebook.com/UFC?v=app_4949752878), then click the "Like" button to enable the video stream.

[StanUpshaw]

I was watching the weigh-ins and I was surprised at the reaction Kid got. I know he has a highlight reel, but since his injuries, the bloom is off the rose. I think he'll get taken down and controlled by Johnson. I predict a decision win by Johnson.

[StanUpshaw]

Facebook stream is live now. (http://www.facebook.com/UFC?v=app_4949752878)

[StanUpshaw]

I think he'll get taken down and controlled by Johnson. I predict a decision win by Johnson.

This goes double for Mendes vs Omigawa. Twice as many takedowns, twice as long on his back. Omigawa, you're going to get wrestlefucked.

[StanUpshaw]

Spike Prelims are live right now!

[StanUpshaw]

I don't know exactly how good Paul Kelly's takedown defense is. Based solely on his nationality, I'm guessing it blows. If Cerrone can take him down, he'll probably get a submission early. If not, it will probably be an awesome kickboxing match, with the edge going to Kelly.

[newport king]

meet u in the MMA thread.

[newport king]

watching prelims on spike, i have to say, i know internet people mark out over japanese fighters, and while they do have heart, it seems like they all come here and get their asses kicked on the regular.

[StanUpshaw]

I'll meet U in the gameday thread (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89250), prick.

[StanUpshaw]

Torres should murder this fucker. If not, he's broken beyond repair.

[StanUpshaw]

My favorite "MMA lifestyle apparel" is whichever is the Naziest (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/12/27/1898181/nazi-imagery-continues-to-haunt-silver-star-ufc-and-mma).

[StanUpshaw]

Bruce Buffer is so fucking cheesy. I hate that guy.

[StanUpshaw]

With so many fighters these days only willing to engage in the final 30 seconds of the round, maybe they need to consider making the rounds 30 seconds.

Ah who am I kidding? They'll just play it safe for the first 25 seconds and cut loose in the final five.

[newport king]

no you're doing an awesome job over there by yourself. cock.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm going with Bader, just because I want to be THAT GUY.
Bader's not only going to take him down, but he'll pass gaurd and pound him from side control. He'll end it once he secures the crucifix.

[newport king]

mush.

[StanUpshaw]

SURPRISE TITLE SHOT!

Love it!

[Ritalin]

Jones will win that fight. He's a whole head taller than Rua. He's a freak.

[StanUpshaw]

Jones will win that fight. He's a whole head taller than Rua. He's a freak.

At the moment, there are like maybe four dudes that I would consider Jones to be an underdog against, and they'll all heavies. As hard as I try, I can't imagine a 205 fight that he'd lose.

[Ritalin]

Jones is a giant. I don't know how he makes weight.

He almost looked bored out there. He's very relaxed.

[StanUpshaw]

I like Rich, and I like it when he wins.
I like Forrest, and I like it when he wins.

Forrest has a better entrance tune, so lets go with him.

[newport king]

Jones fights like a heavier Silva.

[Ritalin]

Channing Tatum is a girls name.

[StanUpshaw]

Jones fights like a heavier Silva.

They don't fight similarly at all. Jones' game is built on the wrestling framework. He's an excellent striker, but he's always looking for takedowns and wants to finish on top. Anderson is either counter punching, in the muay thai clinch, or works jiu jitsu off his back. I can't remember the last time he's attempted a takedown.

[newport king]

meaning they're unorthodox

[StanUpshaw]

The greatness of this fight is going to depend hugely on how much heat the crowd has.


And they're starting off pretty great. Tons of boos for AS already!

[StanUpshaw]

meaning they're unorthodox

if you say so

[Ritalin]

Silva wins.

[StanUpshaw]

How can you talk about Steven Segal with a straight face, Joe?

[StanUpshaw]

I've got such a boner right now

[newport king]

they both arent creative strikers? ok.

[Ritalin]

Tada.

[StanUpshaw]

Everything was either a bore or a squash. That's what I get for raising expectations.

[StanUpshaw]

I never tire of seeing Gabe Reudiger getting his shit stomped.

[weekapaugjz]

i REALLY hate that espn.com's frontpage shows the winner of the fight.

[StanUpshaw]

i REALLY hate that espn.com's frontpage shows the winner of the fight.

If I'm not watching it live, the UFC is about the only thing I'll go on media blackout for.

[StanUpshaw]

Squashes don't normally win fight of the night, but I'd say you'd still have to give it to Jones-Bader. It will probably be Griffin-Franklin, just because it most closely fits what FotN is supposed to look like. I thought it sucked though.

[newport king]

this entire card sucked. glad i didn't pay for it.

[Dirtbag]

I've still got GSP by 5 round wrestlefucking decision.

What would make me very very happy and is certainly not out of the question is Silva vs. Jones.

[StanUpshaw]

I've still got GSP by 5 round wrestlefucking decision.

What would make me very very happy and is certainly not out of the question is Silva vs. Jones.

I have to agree with the former. I just can't see Silva stopping the takedown. I think Silva's length will allow him to sweep and reverse far more successfully than any 170, but he won't be able to hold GSP down either. I think Georges will be able to stand up easily and just shoot again. Obviously the fight could end at any moment with a knee on the shoot. But in the end, I think GSP will be in control for longer, and earn the win. In any case, it will be a far better fight than what we've seen out of him at WW of late.

[StanUpshaw]

I suppose we ought to talk about the Strikeforce show. Hard to believe we're a few hours away from a Fedor fight and there has been nary a word about it.

Will Fedor return to his murderous ways and slaughter this pituitary sideshow?

Will Silva's size advantage be enough to control the legend past his prime?

Will Arlovski keep his head in the game long enough to topple the man who refuses to defend any strike ever?

Will Kharitonov manage to find his opponent's chin, so expertly crafted from fine Swarovski crystal?

And most importantly, which undercard geek will prevail and end up winning the doomed for failure Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix????

[StanUpshaw]

Mauro is the fucking dirt worst.

[StanUpshaw]

Silva vs. Fedor is hitting the cage right now. (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=105168&part=sports)

[Jayw]

I decided to grab showtime to see this, haven't seen a fedor fight in a long time. Hope it is worth it.

[StanUpshaw]

I want Fedor to win, if only to see him fight Overeem in the next round.

But mostly I want it to be a good fight, because everything tonight has been one-sided shittiness.

[StanUpshaw]

"good luck, botha yous"

[StanUpshaw]

Fucking great so far! Best Fedor fight since Crocop in 2005.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm fucking losing my mind here. What a fucking amazing fight

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fucking great so far! Best Fedor fight since Crocop in 2005.

Fedor is fucked up. AND THEY STOPPED IT!

[sailor]

Silva vs. Fedor is hitting the cage right now. (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=105168&part=sports)

just got on as it was stopped. :(

[StanUpshaw]

I was downright squealing during that last minute. My dog is still freaked out.

[Snacks]

2 beat downs in a row. Dana is loving it!

[StanUpshaw]

I'd hardly call the Werdum fight a "beatdown".

[King Imp]

There seems to be something about dominant fighters who spent most of their time fighting in a ring who then shit the bed once they enter a cage.

Cro Cop was a beast in Pride, but then looked like a scrub once he came to the UFC.
Wanderlei Silva is a shell of the man he was in Pride as well.
Even though Fedor beat Brett Rogers, he did take a beating in the beginning before landing one hard punch to end it. Then he goes on to have 2 lopsided losses in a row.

Rampage seems to be one of the few that made the transition, but these others look nothing like they did to earn their reputations. If someone had never seen Cro Cop, Wanderlei, or Fedor fight and just heard the hype on these shows, they would be in for a disappointment once the fight started.

[newport king]

fucking enough with fedor is the greatest ever. he's really something fighting overweight japanese guys. ive seen him fight 3 legit heavyweights here, 2 beat him and the other was beating his ass till he got caught. and that guy was taking time off his tire sales job at the time.

there's a reason he didn't sign with UFC in the first place. and we're seeing it here. :thumbdown:

[newport king]

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Coker-Fedor-Could-Return-as-Tournament-Alternate-2885

how many chances are you going to give this guy? for god sakes, overeem called him out for about a year straight and he didnt want to fight him.

[StanUpshaw]

There seems to be something about dominant fighters who spent most of their time fighting in a ring who then shit the bed once they enter a cage.

Cro Cop was a beast in Pride, but then looked like a scrub once he came to the UFC.
Wanderlei Silva is a shell of the man he was in Pride as well.
Even though Fedor beat Brett Rogers, he did take a beating in the beginning before landing one hard punch to end it. Then he goes on to have 2 lopsided losses in a row.

Rampage seems to be one of the few that made the transition, but these others look nothing like they did to earn their reputations. If someone had never seen Cro Cop, Wanderlei, or Fedor fight and just heard the hype on these shows, they would be in for a disappointment once the fight started.

I think it has more to do with the fact that they're all on the tail end of long, grueling careers than anything else.

For every Fedor, Crocop, or Wandy, you could point to former UFC greats that are shadows of their former selves. Liddell, Ortiz, Hughes, etc.

And are you forgetting that two Pride guys are currently UFC champs?

[StanUpshaw]

fucking enough with fedor is the greatest ever. he's really something fighting overweight japanese guys. ive seen him fight 3 legit heavyweights here, 2 beat him and the other was beating his ass till he got caught. and that guy was taking time off his tire sales job at the time.

there's a reason he didn't sign with UFC in the first place. and we're seeing it here. :thumbdown:

Who's the greatest ever if not Fedor?

[Dirtbag]

Nobody's calling Fedor the greatest ever, they're calling him the greatest heavyweight ever, and even if that just means he's a big fish in a small pond, its true. Anderson and GSP are for sure higher on the P4P list now, and probably have been for the last two years.

[newport king]

Who's the greatest ever if not Fedor?

we'll argue an opinion but to answer your question, id put Anderson Silva, GSP, Matt Hughes, and Randy Couture all ahead of him.

Look i'm not a fan since he didn't sign with UFC, where the real talent is. It looks weak. Then he goes to strikeforce, ok fine. But the guy is regarded as the "greatest heavyweight ever" and doesn't fight their champion? How do you NOT see he's being protected? Now last night, the ref stopped it and supposedly there was some confusion in the ring. why? M-1 trying to reverse that stoppage? And finally they're saying he may still be an alternate. His head looked like chopped meat after that 2nd round. He didn't win the first round either. I don't care what any judge says.

Personally i think all 4 UFC top heavys, Cain, JDS, Brock and Carwin would all beat him. But we'll never know.

[StanUpshaw]

I think you're probably right about him losing to the top UFC heavies (i.e. not Carwin), but it's really not a question of his current performance. The question of "best ever" automatically puts it into a historical context. After all, Muhammad Ali lost three of his last four fights. That doesn't make Trevor Berbick the greatest of all time.

Granted, this is most certainly a matter of opinion. I'm a guy who thinks p4p rankings are retarded, so ranking fighters not only across weight classes, but also across history is like hanso-level retarded. Nevertheless, it's fun to ponder.

I think it basically comes down to dominance in one's time and place. A guy like Hughes had a good run, but it's hard to make a case when a lightweight has been bullying him throughout his entire career. Randy is just silly. Whoever wins between Anderson and GSP has a great fucking case, but Fedor murdered people for a decade straight.

Ron's right. You kids today have no sense of history.

[newport king]

you can't discount randy as "silly". he's 47 years old. What if he comes out and beats machida? he's been around forever and has fought the best.

[StanUpshaw]

He's awesome, sure. If we're going to talk awesome, then Sakuraba would win hands down.

Randy simply doesn't win enough. He never has. In terms of dominance, you just can't compare him with Fedor, Anderson or GSP. Or Wandy, for that matter.

[spe5150]

UFC 127 from Sydney Australia tonight. Top of the card is very interesting with a Welterweight #1 contender fight between Jon Fitch & BJ Penn. I don't really have a rooting interest, I like both fighters. I'm just hoping for a good fight, BJ looking like he actually wants to be there, & (I know I'm asking for a lot in a Fitch fight) a finish.

Under that we have Bisping vs. Rivera. I HATE Bisping, but unless he really gets sloppy & gets caught I don't think Rivera has the all around skills to hang with him.

Sotiropoulis vs. Siver is a really interesting fight. I think Sotiropoulis wins this fight, but Siver is such a devastating striker you can't overlook him. This should be a really intense fight.

So who you got? Does anything else on the undercard interest you? Does anyone have/not have the ION network for the free prelims? Will Nick Ring's knee hold together for his prelim fight? Did Mark hunt actually weigh in under 265? Thoughts...comments...

[StanUpshaw]

UFC 127 from Sydney Australia tonight. Top of the card is very interesting with a Welterweight #1 contender fight between Jon Fitch & BJ Penn. I don't really have a rooting interest, I like both fighters. I'm just hoping for a good fight, BJ looking like he actually wants to be there, & (I know I'm asking for a lot in a Fitch fight) a finish.

So when you say you "like" Jon Fitch, do you mean sexually? Because as hard as that notion is to believe, I find it infinitely more plausible than if you meant you like him as a fighter. I fucking loathe Jon Fitch.

That said, he's a great on the ground, and BJ is insane on the ground, so we could have an awesome match on our hands. But in all likelihood, they'll stand for 4 1/2 minutes, then try to get a takedown (repeat).

Under that we have Bisping vs. Rivera. I HATE Bisping, but unless he really gets sloppy & gets caught I don't think Rivera has the all around skills to hang with him.
Agreed.

Sotiropoulis vs. Siver is a really interesting fight. I think Sotiropoulis wins this fight, but Siver is such a devastating striker you can't overlook him. This should be a really intense fight.
I am willing to overlook the shit out of Dennis Siver. He has power, but he's a shitty boxer, and George could pick him apart if he wanted to. He also lacks any ability to stop a takedown. George will go through him like shit though a goose.

Does anything else on the undercard interest you?
Thoughts...comments...
Pearson vs. Fisher has FOTN written all over it. And I'm a huge Chris Lytle mark, and I expect a great fight from him as always (though I have no idea what to expect from Ebersole...I'm pretty sure I saw his fight against Carlos Newton, but I have no recollection).

More than anything, I'm looking forward to the Aussie crowd. It was such a great atmosphere last time around, and it got me into fights that I would have been fast-forwarding otherwise.

[newport king]

they dont call fitch "smoke break" for nothing.:smoke:

[StanUpshaw]

Pearson vs. Fisher has FOTN written all over it.

Well, shit. I hope and pray that wasn't FOTN.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Australia's Kyle Noke comes to the ring.

Entrance Music: "Down Under" by Men at Work.

Rogan (disgusted): Oh, no, he didn't.

Other Guy: Yes, yes he did.

[Tenbatsuzen]

WOW, this is really Australian - they got the lead singer from Midnight Oil to ref!

[Tenbatsuzen]

This fuckstick is coming to the ring wearing a sparring helmet and his chest hair is shaved into an arrow pointing to his head. I hope he get choked out.

[sailor]

WOW, this is really Australian - they got the lead singer from Midnight Oil to ref!

pierluigi collina?

[Tenbatsuzen]

pierluigi collina?

Heh, no, John Sharp.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This guy Ebersole is fighting like a fucking asshole but he's shown some brilliant moves between the idiocy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't know what happened, but did Bisping either yell or spit at Dana White after he won his match?

He KO'd Riviera, then jumped over to the opposite side of the cage and did SOMETHING, and whoever he talked shit to started rattling the cage, totally pissed, but the camera was on Bisping.

I want to think he was yelling at Riviera's corner, but then he started apologizing the Dana White in the post-match interview.

[newport king]

who won the main event? i didnt see it.

[StanUpshaw]

who won the main event? i didnt see it.

Fitch won, but it was ruled a majority draw.

[StanUpshaw]

I am willing to overlook the shit out of Dennis Siver. He has power, but he's a shitty boxer, and George could pick him apart if he wanted to. He also lacks any ability to stop a takedown. George will go through him like shit though a goose.

:ohmy: That was as wrong as wrong gets. :ohmy:


First Guillard wrecks Dunham, now Siver takes a hearty dump on George's chest. All we need is for Pettis to go down in flames and there will be no LW contenders left. Aldo will have to come up and win both belts!

[StanUpshaw]

I don't know what happened, but did Bisping either yell or spit at Dana White after he won his match?

He KO'd Riviera, then jumped over to the opposite side of the cage and did SOMETHING, and whoever he talked shit to started rattling the cage, totally pissed, but the camera was on Bisping.

I want to think he was yelling at Riviera's corner, but then he started apologizing the Dana White in the post-match interview.

Probably at this guy:

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And how come Jorge has a tattoo of Bret Hart on his chest? I wonder if he got it at the same place as Alan Belcher got him Kim Jong Il tat.

[StanUpshaw]

Shocking news: Ricco Rodriguez came in overweight for his fight in BAMMA yesterday.

Actual shocking news: That weight was 215 pounds!!! Holy shit!

http://i.imgur.com/6HSD1.jpg

[spe5150]

More bad news for Fedor Emelianenko after this weekend. Looks like he won't even win the award for worst hematoma in MMA this year. Take a gander at the small burrowing creature on the face of Dwayne Lewis that caused a stop to his title fight with Ryan Jimmo at MFC 28:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/23350953/395440846.jpg

That's got to be the worst I've seen since Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau at UFC 58 in 2006 or, for you old school ECW fans, JT Smith vs. Hack Meyers (or more specifically, the ECW arena concrete floor) at Gangstas Paradise in 1995.

[Snacks]

More bad news for Fedor Emelianenko after this weekend. Looks like he won't even win the award for worst hematoma in MMA this year. Take a gander at the small burrowing creature on the face of Dwayne Lewis that caused a stop to his title fight with Ryan Jimmo at MFC 28:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/23350953/395440846.jpg

That's got to be the worst I've seen since Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau at UFC 58 in 2006 or, for you old school ECW fans, JT Smith vs. Hack Meyers (or more specifically, the ECW arena concrete floor) at Gangstas Paradise in 1995.

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That's pretty funny, as I was watching the end of the fight I had two movie refernces come to my head. You hit the first one. The second, which came to me as I was cropping the picture at the top right, was:

ROCKY ROAD?!
http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/407capture_goonies04.jpg

And, proving that you truly do learn something new everyday, while searching for that picture I just read/realized for the first time that the character of Sloth was played by former Raider defensive end John Matuszak. Ain't that some shit?!

[Snacks]

That's pretty funny, as I was watching the end of the fight I had two movie refernces come to my head. You hit the first one. The second, which came to me as I was cropping the picture at the top right, was:

ROCKY ROAD?!
http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/407capture_goonies04.jpg

And, proving that you truly do learn something new everyday, while searching for that picture I just read/realized for the first time that the character of Sloth was played by former Raider defensive end John Matuszak. Ain't that some shit?!

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[Gutter]

I don't know what happened, but did Bisping either yell or spit at Dana White after he won his match?

He KO'd Riviera, then jumped over to the opposite side of the cage and did SOMETHING, and whoever he talked shit to started rattling the cage, totally pissed, but the camera was on Bisping.

I want to think he was yelling at Riviera's corner, but then he started apologizing the Dana White in the post-match interview.

he spit at Rivera's corner who apparently was involved in the pre fight shit talking....from what i heard Bisping saying after the fight Rivera said something about Bispings kids. I thought Bisping went overboard with his celebrating until i heard him say that....you can hear him tell Jorge to apologize for talking about his family, and then he said, "don't fuck with my family....now go home loser!" hahaha.

and @Stan, the tattoo on Rivera's chest is of his daughter that died just last year i think it was. She was in a car accident. makes it even more confusing that considering what Jorge has been through with the loss of a child, that he would say something about another mans kids.

[StanUpshaw]

I just watched the UFC on Versus card...

Holy shit! What a show!

[King Imp]

I just watched the UFC on Versus card...

Holy shit! What a show!

That was pretty good. Too bad the ones they make people pay for usually aren't the same.

What was with the fat on Diego Sanchez? I don't think I've ever seen him that out of shape before. That looked almost as bad as his face by the end of the fight. :tongue:

Speaking of Sanchez, I have a question for all of you. Why does everyone hate him? I mean he isn't my favorite fighter, but there is no denying that he always puts on a good show. Every fight of his is exciting and action packed, yet he gets booed constantly. I don't get it.

[StanUpshaw]

Speaking of Sanchez, I have a question for all of you. Why does everyone hate him? I mean he isn't my favorite fighter, but there is no denying that he always puts on a good show. Every fight of his is exciting and action packed, yet he gets booed constantly. I don't get it.

There were boos last night, but I think that was because people thought Kampmann deserved the win.

But overall, I don't think he's hated all that much. He was kind of a prick way back on TUF, and he just acts so bizarre so much of the time, but like you said, I think his performances have won people over.

[StanUpshaw]

Another Strikeforce on right now! This one kind of snuck up on me.

Rafael Cavalcante vs. Dan Henderson

Tim Kennedy vs. Melvin Manhoef

Billy Evangelista vs. Jorge Masvidal

Jorge Gurgel vs. Tyler Combs

Marloes Coenen vs. Liz Carmouche

Jan Finney vs. Jessica Eye (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=107797&part=sports)

Main event should be awesome, and Manhoef is never boring. Tune in! (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=107797&part=sports)

[StanUpshaw]

Oh, and Bellator kicks off their 4th season tonight.

I'm trying to care...I really am.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/CQ5dN.png

[StanUpshaw]

Feijao vs. Henderson is next. (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=107797&part=sports)

[StanUpshaw]

Another AWESOME fight!


Hooray for good MMA :clap::clap:

[Snacks]

Another AWESOME fight!


Hooray for good MMA :clap::clap:

which one because all 4 fights I watched were shit. The female fight might have been the best of the night!

[StanUpshaw]

The Masvidal fight was shit.

Manhoef-Kennedy was fun while it lasted. But then Melvin decided to be Melvin. Does Holland know BJJ is a thing?

I didn't watch the women.

Hendo-Feijao kicked a substantial amount of ass. Yeah, there was a lot of Team Quest cage leaning, but it was punctuated with a bunch awesome grappling and some really dramatic exchanges.

[kolammark]

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