UFC/MMA Discussion

[CambriaBurning]

Although I fully agree Jesse was a moron, they handled the situation oddly considering they tore up that house with not even a warning of any kind. I mean, they were tearing drywall out for shit's sake. I still think Jesse should have gotten kicked out, so it's all good there, but for throwing tables and furniture down stairs, tearing banisters off, ripping drywall out, throwing shit in the pool, etc... with NOTHING to say for it? I don't get it.

[PhishHead]

Although I fully agree Jesse was a moron, they handled the situation oddly considering they tore up that house with not even a warning of any kind. I mean, they were tearing drywall out for shit's sake. I still think Jesse should have gotten kicked out, so it's all good there, but for throwing tables and furniture down stairs, tearing banisters off, ripping drywall out, throwing shit in the pool, etc... with NOTHING to say for it? I don't get it.

yes but like Dana said during the show "it is one thing to tear up the house in private it is another thing to do this in public." Go read the blogs of CB, Dolce, Zachriach, Sadollah and a few others and you will find out that basically alcohol was the one ingredient the producers would always allow the fighters to have no matter what liquor they asked for they got. Dolce was even saying that one night he requested chicken they said no they are too busy but 10 minutes later they brought over cases of beer for everyone and cases of liquor. So tearing up the house is part of the show and something the producers and spike WANT on tv because it generates ratings and what not. But once you do something like that in public at a casino the Fertitta's own that is definitely a different story. Especially kicking out a limo window and terrorizing female guests.

[CambriaBurning]

Yeah I read about that chicken thing, it's funny the crap that goes on.

I thought it was funny that they all used that word, "terrorizing" the female guests. That can mean anything from groping to just running up and yelling in their faces.

[Epschtein]

i liked dana's interview on O&A this week, but (like most people) he is a huge hypocrite. the ultimate fighter is doing more to portray the sport in a bad light then anything else ever has, as mentioned above its obvious they promote drinking and craziness in the house. there have been skilled guys left out of shows because they needed more "goons" to fill out the roster.

from everything i have seen jesse is a douche and i certainly wasnt rooting for him, but at the same time he has every right to be a little confused. you mean its ok to get loaded to the point of passing out, smash up the house, and piss all over the place, multiple times - but if i slip up once and get loaded in public and go off then im some sort of "disgrace to the sport"?

encouraging or accepting that level of intoxication with a guy like him is inevitably going to lead to trouble, just like they wanted.

im not defending him, im just saying i could see how a guy that obviously isnt that bright could be a little confused by the strong reaction. if he was sober enough to have any coherent thought he probably thought it was going to add to his "legend".

anyway, i was hoping tim would make the final and i hate the way they chopped that fight up, it doesnt give you a chance to have any idea who YOU thought won. there is no way to tell other than from what they tell you. which really sucks. tim didnt seem too upset with the decision but maybe he is just being a good sport. dana said he thought tim pulled it out.

the rematch is interesting and hopefully amir can pull off another win, because if he doesnt its going to be a boring fight to a lot of people. which brings me to MMA's big problem - the ground game. people arent interested in seeing ground and pound unless it is explosive, and no matter how technical it is people dont want to see slight position improvements and sub attempts that go on for several minutes. i appreciate it most of the time if its skilled fighters, but virtually all of the new people i have watched fights with complain about it.

i see it as MMA's biggest obstacle to reaching the heights dana talked about this week, although i agree the sport will continue to grow. i think a large majority of people that have never trained in a discipline that involves ground fighting will never really appreciate technical groundwork that isnt flashy or explosive.

[CambriaBurning]

That's where I started laughing.... Dana's crazy "we're gonna be bigger than soccer around the world" announcement was just silly. You won't be bigger than the NFL here, or soccer anywhere else... PERIOD.

He's Mr. Optimistic for some reason...

[MM2]

That's where I started laughing.... Dana's crazy "we're gonna be bigger than soccer around the world" announcement was just silly. You won't be bigger than the NFL here, or soccer anywhere else... PERIOD.

He's Mr. Optimistic for some reason...

Well when you are in business, your vision for your business is supposed to be slightly out of reach. You want to have something to keep striving for. Does Dana White honestly believe the UFC can become bigger than the NFL in the US or Soccer around the world? I doubt it, but he should have that as his vision for the company. The reasons he gave are somewhat valid, knowing that soccer will never be big in the US, but fighting is universal. Soccer is huge, but it will never have full world wide acceptance because America doesn't like it, we like football, basketball and baseball, and it looks like our demand for MMA is growing.

You can say that Dana White is crazy, but I think he's just your typical business man. Turning a $2 million investment into a close to $1 billion dollar company is pretty damn impressive.

[Chigworthy]

I wouldn't mind seeing an alcohol-free house in future seasons. I may be wrong, but it seemed like when Dana took the first season guys out to dinner, they were implying it was the first time they had been able to drink since they moved in. Save the drunken idiocy for Real World. The Survivor-style challenges on the first season were a bit silly though.

[CambriaBurning]

Well when you are in business, your vision for your business is supposed to be slightly out of reach. You want to have something to keep striving for. Does Dana White honestly believe the UFC can become bigger than the NFL in the US or Soccer around the world? I doubt it, but he should have that as his vision for the company. The reasons he gave are somewhat valid, knowing that soccer will never be big in the US, but fighting is universal. Soccer is huge, but it will never have full world wide acceptance because America doesn't like it, we like football, basketball and baseball, and it looks like our demand for MMA is growing.

You can say that Dana White is crazy, but I think he's just your typical business man. Turning a $2 million investment into a close to $1 billion dollar company is pretty damn impressive.

I understand reaching past the limit, but publicly saying it is another thing. What he said was crazy, I didn't say he is.

MMA will definitely grow, and although I think it's much more entertaining than boxing, it's still nowhere near how big boxing was. Can it get to that level? I hope so.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's where I started laughing.... Dana's crazy "we're gonna be bigger than soccer around the world" announcement was just silly. You won't be bigger than the NFL here, or soccer anywhere else... PERIOD.

He's Mr. Optimistic for some reason...

It's marketing. And he's got a point. But it's too specialized to overtaking the NFL or anything else on attendance. I can see them doing huge numbers for ratings, but you can't have UFC events all over the country on a week by week basis.

[Epschtein]

i wasnt rooting for CB but i do like him, so please dont let him be a bitch when they come back from break and try to claim that he didnt tap. you tapped dude, live with it.

[Ritalin]

He tapped.

Be a man, CB.

(Evan Tanner looked homeless)

[King Imp]

Diego Sanchez vs Luigi Fioravanti was one hell of a fight. Was really hoping he would catch Diego flush with a power shot, but it wasn't meant to be. The kid (Luigi) has some great ground defense though.

[Crippler]

I'm sure everyone's seen it by now because I'm usually the last guy to the party, but UFC.com (http://www.ufc.com) is showing (for free, unlike recent udercard fights) the Josh Burkman (from TUF 2) vs. Dustin "McLovin" Hazelett (cornered by Rich Franklin & a BJJ Brown belt under Jorge Gurgel) which didn't make it to air, but won both 'Fight of the Night' & 'Submission of the Night' honors.

If you've got 15 minutes & an interest in MMA, give it a look-see.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was watching the (repeat?) of the Ultimate Fighter finals last night... I was really impressed with the Diego Sanchez match. That kick followed with the knee was fucking vicious.

My mom was watching UFC for the first time last night with Liz, myself, and my brother.

The best question - one of the fighters was wearing white trunks and mom asked, "Is... is that blood on his trunks?"

We all nodded.

[Crippler]

Another highly enjoyable PPV tonight by the UFC. I won't go into much detail incase anyone who didn't buy it is waiting to download it tomorrow, except to say that the Josh Koscheck/Chris Lytle fight was the bloodiest fight I have ever seen & can't believe it wasn't stopped based on the sheer volume of blood spilled.

One thing that won't ruin the fights...as the UFC cameras scoped the crowd for celebrities, just before the main event (I think), the camera settled on the lovely Mandy Moore. Over her shoulders were the pale heads of Lil' Jimmy Norton & Bobby Kelly. I jumped off the couch & yelled, "Oh shit, that's Jimmy Norton & stupid Bobby Kelly" like they were personal friends of mine on live TV. Gave me quite a chuckle just to see them & they had great seats. Too bad they won't be live Monday to talk about the experience.

Also...now just 2 weeks to "Affliction: BANNED"...and I can't wait.

[FezsAssistant]

The Forrest/Rampage match was great. Very close. Other than that, I was in agony. I'm glad I watched it in a bar and didn't pay for it. $45 is too much for one fight.
Thank God for Joe Stevenson, too. At least someone can finish a damn fight.

Looking forward to seeing Anderson Silva later this month.

The UFC PPV in August looks like it will be great. I'm buying that one, no doubt.

[MM2]

I agree, the title fight was VERY VERY close. I can't believe one judge scored it 49-46. I gave Rampage the 1st, 3rd and 4th rounds, I gave Forrest a 10-8 in the 2nd and gave him the last round because Rampage looked gassed. That's a 47-47 draw. So I could even see scoring the second round 10-9 since Forrest didn't really do much damage from the top, in that senario Rampage wins 48-47. I can definitely see the arguement to Forrest winning, but a unanimous decision? 49-46? No way, they need to have a rematch ASAP.


The Forrest/Rampage match was great. Very close. Other than that, I was in agony. I'm glad I watched it in a bar and didn't pay for it. $45 is too much for one fight.
Thank God for Joe Stevenson, too. At least someone can finish a damn fight.

Looking forward to seeing Anderson Silva later this month.

The UFC PPV in August looks like it will be great. I'm buying that one, no doubt.

[SlicedAlone]

I hope Keith Hackney makes a comeback.

[cougarjake13]

The Forrest/Rampage match was great. Very close. Other than that, I was in agony. I'm glad I watched it in a bar and didn't pay for it. $45 is too much for one fight.
Thank God for Joe Stevenson, too. At least someone can finish a damn fight.

Looking forward to seeing Anderson Silva later this month.

The UFC PPV in August looks like it will be great. I'm buying that one, no doubt.

i usually go to the bar anyway, as long as you spend 10 bucks, or basically a pitcher of beer and an appetizer you're covered

[Crippler]

Big weekend coming up in the MMA universe. There's too much going on to even think about breaking it all down, I'm just real excited that it's finally here.

Anyone buying the Affliction PPV? Or is everyone waiting to download it later in the weekend?

Here's sometihng I found over on the Sherdog board. It's an interview with Andrei Arlovski after the final Affliction: Banned press conference about his upcoming fight with Ben Rothwell. Right at the end of the interview, the interviewer slips in a non-fight/pop culture type question about Andrei's ex...the response gave me quite a chuckle.

Arlovski Interview (http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/07/17/pwwwwwwwwwned/)

[Epschtein]

rampage done gone crazy!

:(

[PhishHead]

I will not be buying the affliction ppv just because I can't afford it right now, but I would love to. I will be downloading it Saturday Night.

I am dvring the UFC FN as I won't be home.

and yea Rampage definitely has gone crazy.

[DolaMight]

I will not be buying the affliction ppv just because I can't afford it right now, but I would love to. I will be downloading it Saturday Night.

I am dvring the UFC FN as I won't be home.

and yea Rampage definitely has gone crazy.

He's always been crazy. He's gotta be bipolar. When he got back up to prime time status then lost that epic Wanderlei rematch with knees to the head he went off too. The next fight during his intro he walked to the ring talking on a cellphone indifferent to the crowd and the announcers. He kept talking right through his introduction in the ring just leaning againt the turnbuckes having a normal convo.

The next fight with no explanation he walked into the ring dressed like a monk with a huge cross hanging on his neck.

Both fights he had nothing, like he didn't want to be there. Nothing like the energy he gave in that pre-silva run up where he slam ko'd Arona.

[PhishHead]

He's always been crazy. He's gotta be bipolar. When he got back up to prime time status then lost that epic Wanderlei rematch with knees to the head he went off too. The next fight during his intro he walked to the ring talking on a cellphone indifferent to the crowd and the announcers. He kept talking right through his introduction in the ring just leaning againt the turnbuckes having a normal convo.

The next fight with no explanation he walked into the ring dressed like a monk with a huge cross hanging on his neck.

Both fights he had nothing, like he didn't want to be there. Nothing like the energy he gave in that pre-silva run up where he slam ko'd Arona.

Dana said that he has been really religious lately and doesn't know what to do with him.
Maybe the knees from Wandy finally caught up with him. I mean who tries to outrun cops with your freaking image on your car.

[Willmore]

I will not be buying the affliction ppv just because I can't afford it right now, but I would love to. I will be downloading it Saturday Night.

I am dvring the UFC FN as I won't be home.

and yea Rampage definitely has gone crazy.


Don't forget the Affliction on FSN. 3 more free fights.

[SlicedAlone]

Jesus Christ, Fedor is a bad man. I wonder who will be the first to stop Fedor if anybody? That guys hands are so goddamn quick for any size let alone heavyweight. That Anderson Silva fight was nice also.

[Willmore]

Fedor is sick.

I doubt there is any heavyweight out there who can do what he can, or if there will be one for years and years. He is unique in that he has at the same time the best hands for a heavyweight, the best ground game, the best submissions, the best everything.

The other P4P greats - Silva, Penn, GSP are all the best at some things, but are less so in others. Silva has great hands, but he doesn't have the best ground game around. GSP is physically a specimen, but he's shown his chin isn't iron. Penn is a genious at BJJ, but there are other aspects of MMA he is less than perfect.

While I think Anderson Silva is a great fighter, I think that with 4 losses, even if some were controversial, he can't be a P4P #1 fighters as long as Fedor has just 1 loss, that was supposed to be a NC and has fought most of the Top-10 heavyweights and beat them.

Really, what fight would possibly make him a #1 P4P fighter? He's beaten Cro-Cop, Noguera twice, Sylvia, and other very worthy opponents. He's never ducked anyone, the only reason that Fedor didn't sign with the UFC is the same reason Couture, Sylvia, Arlovski and Ortiz left the UFC - unfairly restrictive contracts.

Fedor is probably the greatest fighter in history, and until he loses, he has to be considered p4p the greatest. Seriously, when was the last time Anderson Silva has had to face opponents who were significantly larger and heavier than him, in some cases by feet.

Isn't that the true meaning of p4p greatest - being smaller than your opponents and still being able to defeat them handily? Fedor beat Sylvia, Hong Man Choi (yes, he was a freak, but he was also a decorated K-1 fighter) and Sammy Schilt, Heath Herring and Zuluzinho.


I can't wait for Fedor - Couture. Or Fedor - Barnett, or Fedor - Arlovski. Hell, I'd watch Fedor - can, just to see the greatest MMA fighter alive.

[Ritalin]

I think Fedor walks right through Couture - and I know I shouldn't be saying that about Randy after all the fights he's won. But Fedor thrashed Silvia and he'd crush Liddell.

I think the best fight for Fedor right now is Arlovski.

[Epschtein]

that is one area where dana really risks losing all credibility, yes i know it is his job to promote the UFC, but when he says fedor isnt that great and nobody cares about him/even knows who he is, well dana just makes himself look like a jackass.

[MM2]

Fedor is sick.

I doubt there is any heavyweight out there who can do what he can, or if there will be one for years and years. He is unique in that he has at the same time the best hands for a heavyweight, the best ground game, the best submissions, the best everything.

The other P4P greats - Silva, Penn, GSP are all the best at some things, but are less so in others. Silva has great hands, but he doesn't have the best ground game around. GSP is physically a specimen, but he's shown his chin isn't iron. Penn is a genious at BJJ, but there are other aspects of MMA he is less than perfect.

While I think Anderson Silva is a great fighter, I think that with 4 losses, even if some were controversial, he can't be a P4P #1 fighters as long as Fedor has just 1 loss, that was supposed to be a NC and has fought most of the Top-10 heavyweights and beat them.

Really, what fight would possibly make him a #1 P4P fighter? He's beaten Cro-Cop, Noguera twice, Sylvia, and other very worthy opponents. He's never ducked anyone, the only reason that Fedor didn't sign with the UFC is the same reason Couture, Sylvia, Arlovski and Ortiz left the UFC - unfairly restrictive contracts.

Fedor is probably the greatest fighter in history, and until he loses, he has to be considered p4p the greatest. Seriously, when was the last time Anderson Silva has had to face opponents who were significantly larger and heavier than him, in some cases by feet.

Isn't that the true meaning of p4p greatest - being smaller than your opponents and still being able to defeat them handily? Fedor beat Sylvia, Hong Man Choi (yes, he was a freak, but he was also a decorated K-1 fighter) and Sammy Schilt, Heath Herring and Zuluzinho.


I can't wait for Fedor - Couture. Or Fedor - Barnett, or Fedor - Arlovski. Hell, I'd watch Fedor - can, just to see the greatest MMA fighter alive.


I strongly disagree that Anderson Silva is weak on the ground, he's actually GREAT on the ground, and has shown this in a few fights. I also think BJ Penn is the best p4p in the world. It's not really a question with any definite answer since none of us can prove anything, but I think BJ Penn, Anderson Silva and Fedor are in a class by themselves. Now I'm talking BJ Penn at 155. BJ Penn at 170 is still champion caliber but he can't dominate at 170 like he can at 155. BJ Penn could be a world champion wrestler, boxer, whatever he wants, he's just that gifted. I think Anderson Silva dominates at 185 and possibly could dominate at 205, but it would be harder. Fedor is the man at HW. There may be some with a bit better JJ than Anderson Silva but he's up there, and Fedor isn't the best BJJ HW out there, I still think Big Nog is the best BJJ HW, with Fedor a close second. Fedor absolutely blows Big Nog away in every other facet of the fight game.

I love GSP, but he's a little bit behind these guys maybe if he dominates Fitch and finishes him I'll put him with those three guys.

So I won't argue with anyone saying any of Silva, Penn or Fedor being p4p #1 because I think they are all in the convo, but I do disagree that Silva is weak on the ground.

[Epschtein]

yep, obviously if fedor had agreed to one of dana's contracts then dana would be going around touting him as possibly the greatest of alltime right now. like i said , i completely understand what dana's job is but sometimes he just goes a bit overboard and makes himself look ignorant.

he actually said in a radio interview that only "a few thousand" people even know or care about fedor. and that he hasnt really been tested by UFC caliber fighters. you mean UFC caliber fighters like the guy you used to call a superstar - tim sylvia? the same tim sylvia that you now dog and claim "tim never really performed for us" because, again, he wouldnt agree to your contract terms...

is randy the only guy that has left the UFC and not been dogged out by dana? and even with randy, dana did talk some shit early on after he left.

[Epschtein]

Isn't that the true meaning of p4p greatest - being smaller than your opponents and still being able to defeat them handily?

i dont think so, not in my opinion anyway, its more about who has the best skill set if size is not a factor. if everyone were the same weight, who is the best, most skilled fighter.

[SlicedAlone]

Aleksander Emilianenko on Kimbo and the UFC.


On Kimbo:
Aleks Emelianenko: In reality, as a fighter, as a fighter he’s weak. For me anyway. My promoter [Vadim Finkelshtein] suggested this fight to his promoters, that I go there and fight Kimbo. And they’re not taking the fight. They realize that for me he’s too weak.
I won’t be fighting with him, playing with him. I’ll go there and tear him apart, bite him in two. Exactly like it was with me and [James] Thompson, whom it took almost three rounds for Kimbo to put away. No. He’s to be congratulated on one hand, though. …
What does he need? For people to know about him. For people to have seen him. Everyone earns money anyway they can these days. He’s not a fighter, he’s not a sportsman. I’d say he’s more like a showman. I can say this about him.
As a sportsman he’s very one-dimensional. Hands? Is that all? These days everyone can use their hands. When fighters at a decent level compete, you won’t understand who he was before. A boxer or a wrestler. … I train with boxers. I used to beat -- I now beat world champions. I box with them. I’m not a fighter that fought with fatties, with who knows who on some field or something. That’s not a display of his prowess as a fighter. It’s just a show. They are elements of a show.
On the UFC:
Aleks Emelianenko: I also wanted to fight in the UFC . But as a Russian fighter, I’m not interesting to them. They are interested in their own, in Americans. That’s why they didn’t let me compete in their organization. They were saying that “We don’t want Aleksander to fight for us.” Because I’d arrive there, beat everyone and then take the belt back to Russia. They don’t need that.
Those organizers, promoters, they need their own person. That’s how they make their money. And that’s how they carry themselves, the UFC. I know that as of right now, they’ve ruined relationships with many and that many fighters have left them. They are now facing some very serious competition, and I think they’ll fall. I think they’ll fall to the second tier. To the place where they were, when Pride still existed.
Pride was better; Pride was number one in the world. So I think that it’s criticism of the organizers -- it’s not a criticism of the fighters. They’re worthy sportsmen. Good fighters. It’s a criticism of the organizers, of the promoters. They take everything and just wreck it. Instead they should be strengthening everything, making everything stronger, stronger and stronger. But people are leaving them.
Instead they now have very serious, very worthy competition in the world. And not that much time will go by before things change.


http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/From-Surviving-the-Streets-of-Russia-to-MMA-The-Story-of-Aleksander-Emelianenko-Part-2-13709

[Willmore]

Affliction got over 100,000 buys for the PPV and the attendance was over 14,000.

The attendance is encouraging and the PPV numbers aren't UFC territory, but with time, Affliction can really be a competitor.

Also, Affliction 2 is rumored to take place October 11 in Las Vegas with Arlovski - Fedor main event.

[Epschtein]

i hope this isnt considered a spoiler ;) but im pretty sure anyone in the first 30 rows of tonights eliteXC could sketch you a VERY accurate picture of cyborg's vagina!

lol they stopped showing shots from behind her REAL FAST!

reminded me of that girl on the muay thai reality show for chicks, michelle something i think was her name? part asian? she wore white shorts in one fight (not during the show, after it i think) and so of course she was on her back with her knees by her ears for most of it lol, it was like an anatomy class the whole fight.

i actually felt bad for her... while i jacked... nah im just kidding... i didnt feel bad.

[Epschtein]

blarg :( every fighter i was rooting for lost hehe, all the winners are great fighters no doubt, they all just rub me the wrong way for one reason or another. good fights tho!

[King Imp]

I sure hope they do real drug tests there in EliteXC because that Cyborg chick (I use that term loosely) just isn't right. She isn't overly huge, but she does have that telltale voice like a guy.

That and if the lovely Gina Carano is gonna get her ass handed to her, I would at least hope it was fair.

[Crippler]

UFC 87 Tonight! This has the makings of a really good card with three interesting fights headlining. I know I've been satified with some of the last few cards that were, admittedly, a bit lackluster...but I will be amazed if this card does not deliver.

Lesnar/Herring could be a 45 second embarassment, or a great slugfest.

Both the Florian/Huerta & the GSP/Fitch fights should be world class.

Anyone else really looking forward to this PPV?

[cougarjake13]

UFC 87 Tonight! This has the makings of a really good card with three interesting fights headlining. I know I've been satified with some of the last few cards that were, admittedly, a bit lackluster...but I will be amazed if this card does not deliver.

Lesnar/Herring could be a 45 second embarassment, or a great slugfest.

Both the Florian/Huerta & the GSP/Fitch fights should be world class.

Anyone else really looking forward to this PPV?

hells yeh

[King Imp]

I know a few of you see Huerta as a "gatekeeper", but I still contend that he is the real deal and deserves a title shot. I will gladly admit I'm wrong if he does lose to Florian. I just hope those of you who said otherwise will admit you were wrong if he in fact wins.

Since I expected those of you who doubted Huerta to admit you were wrong if he won, I have to do the same.

Really thought he had what it took to beat Florian, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. Hats off to Kenny.
Kinda sucks in my eyes because Florian already had his shot against a lesser champion that what the UFC has now and this will probably only serve to give him another shot to get beaten. A win for Huerta would have clearly put him in title contention, but now he's probably 1-2 years away again.

Anyway, I didn't see the card. Only read the results. Was the Florian-Huerta fight any good or did Kenny dominate him all 3 rounds?

[Dirtbag]

Wow, all this Lesnar/Couture/Fedor stuff is really gaining legs. Latest rumors are Couture/Lesnar in the UFC in November, and the winner getting Fedor in early '09. At this point I think Randy loses both those fights. He got KTFO'd by Chuck twice and if Brock hits him with one of those shots he gave Herring its naptime for Randy. And even if not, I don't see anyone out wrestling Lesnar. And as for Brock not being ready for Fedor, I say fuck it. If he can pull off the win he's a god amongst men, and if he loses it's fucking Fedor. He's supposed to lose. It took a pro wrestler to destroy the Gracie mystique, maybe the same can happen for Fedor.

[Chigworthy]

Aleks Emelianenko is no slouch either. I wathed a sambo demonstration he did with Fedor somewhere, and he was fliiping big bro around like a carp a few times. The russian prison tats kind of add a layer of brutality perhaps.

[MM2]

Wow, all this Lesnar/Couture/Fedor stuff is really gaining legs. Latest rumors are Couture/Lesnar in the UFC in November, and the winner getting Fedor in early '09. At this point I think Randy loses both those fights. He got KTFO'd by Chuck twice and if Brock hits him with one of those shots he gave Herring its naptime for Randy. And even if not, I don't see anyone out wrestling Lesnar. And as for Brock not being ready for Fedor, I say fuck it. If he can pull off the win he's a god amongst men, and if he loses it's fucking Fedor. He's supposed to lose. It took a pro wrestler to destroy the Gracie mystique, maybe the same can happen for Fedor.

Yeah, it sounds like its a very real possiblity. I just think that if Dana is able to come to an agreement with Fedor, why risk the potential huge fight of Couture/Fedor by putting him in there against Lesnar?

Are you telling me Couture is going to fight Lesnar in November and then be ready to take on Fedor at the end of January? There's no way, he's 45 freakin' years old, even if he comes out of there with a win, he's going to be hurt.

I honestly think that the biggest money fight would be Lesnar/Couture over Fedor/Couture. Lesnar will bring more PPV buys than Fedor. But I think if you can get Fedor signed to a multi fight deal, you need to make the Randy fight happen before anything else.

At this moment, the only fighters who pose a threat to Lesnar are the great BJJ guys like Mir, Nog and Fedor. So I think if Lesnar beats Couture, you take away alot of the luster from a Fedor/Couture matchup.

Although I'd love to see a Fedor/Lesnar fight, I don't see Lesnar winning, I just would like to see how Fedor would attack him.

As much as I'd like to see a Lesnar/Couture fight, I don't think they should do it if Dana can sign Fedor.

[spadanko]

Here ya go!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26509211/

[cougarjake13]

Here ya go!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26509211/

sweet

[Crippler]

So, not only is Randy back in the UFC, but he's there with a new 3 fight deal & already a title shot for Lesnar! Waaaaaay too soon as far as I'm concerned, but that was my opinion on his WWE career as well & it seems to serve him well...but I digress.

What does this all mean? Obviously, if Randy gets by Lesnar it means a unification/undisputed fight with the winner of Nog/Mir after TUF series finale. But does it mean Dana thinks he can sign Fedor for that dream fight that has been pounded down everyone's throat since Randy walked away last time?

If not, where does Randy go for that third fight? And god-forbid he loses to Lesnar...then no one cares about a third fight, or a second for that matter. I just found very odd to not only return, but add another fight past the two Randy owed the UFC.

[MM2]

So, not only is Randy back in the UFC, but he's there with a new 3 fight deal & already a title shot for Lesnar! Waaaaaay too soon as far as I'm concerned, but that was my opinion on his WWE career as well & it seems to serve him well...but I digress.

What does this all mean? Obviously, if Randy gets by Lesnar it means a unification/undisputed fight with the winner of Nog/Mir after TUF series finale. But does it mean Dana thinks he can sign Fedor for that dream fight that has been pounded down everyone's throat since Randy walked away last time?

If not, where does Randy go for that third fight? And god-forbid he loses to Lesnar...then no one cares about a third fight, or a second for that matter. I just found very odd to not only return, but add another fight past the two Randy owed the UFC.

Well this was really the only option, a bout between Lesnar and Couture and the winner getting the winner of Mir/Nog. I think Werdum deserves the title shot, but is the UFC really going to put on a Werdum/Couture fight when they could put on a Lesnar/Couture fight that generates the most PPVs of all time? Its a business decision, and while unfair to Werdum, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't want to see Lesnar/Couture.

I disagree that if Randy loses to Lesnar that there won't be anyone that cares about a second or third fight. It's all in how you lose, if he get dominated by Lesnar and TKO'd in the first, then yeah, but if takes a pounding and fights 5 great rounds against Lesnar and loses a decision, then of course people will be impressed by that. There is no shame in going 5 rounds with a beast like Lesnar and losing. Yes he's green, but he has more tools than anyone in the sport.

As for Randy's third fight, from what I hear he wants his last fight to be against Chuck.

So I see it as him losing to Lesnar, then losing to Fedor (if that fight happens) then losing to Chuck again to finish his career. Although he'll be leaving with three straight losses, I don't see that as a bad thing because he'll be very competitive in every fight, unlike guys like Shamrock who was dominated by Buzz Berry.

[Dirtbag]

Wow, when Rashad knocks guys out, he really knocks them the FUCK out. I've never seen Chuck get floored like that, even against Rampage either time.

He'll still get beaten by Forrest though. About time the guy goes into a fight as the favorite.

[Crippler]

Very true...for a guy who's good but doesn't seem "special" Rashaad Evans has two of the biggest highlight reel knockouts you'll ever see. I'm still in shock.

[Chigworthy]

It didn't shock me. I wasn't sure who was going to win, but I'm not surprised at the outcome. I wonder if Lidell can rework himself and turn things around.

[cougarjake13]

man that shot ws brutal

for a second i thought evans killed him

[Chigworthy]

man that shot ws brutal

for a second i thought evans killed him

It would have killed me. It sounded like a boat oar slapping a side of beef.

[cougarjake13]

It would have killed me. It sounded like a boat oar slapping a side of beef.



plus the way he fell all limp and then didnt move then they wouldnt show him laying there

[Ritalin]

Rashaad Evans fan since day one.

Rashaad/Forest fight would be huge.

[Epschtein]

i want ro like rashad but he seems hell bent on acting like a douchebag, wtf was he doing tweaking his nipples as he was introduced?!

and rich franklin wins the award for worst trunks ever, pink with an ad for his website that looks like it made in Word and printed out on paper and pasted to his ass... lol.

fights were ok, nothing spectacular, except rashad's knockout that i couldn't appreciate.

[MM2]

It didn't shock me. I wasn't sure who was going to win, but I'm not surprised at the outcome. I wonder if Lidell can rework himself and turn things around.

Maybe you aren't surprised about the outcome, but you have to be surprised how Liddell was KO'd. He's never been KO'd like that because normally he's working as a counter puncher. He wasn't afraid of Evans' hands, so he was willing to stalk him and try to knock him out. You don't normally see Liddell pushing the action unless he has someone hurt. That was his mistake, not giving Evans any credit in the power department.

He definitely paid for that mistake, what a punch!

[MM2]

i want ro like rashad but he seems hell bent on acting like a douchebag, wtf was he doing tweaking his nipples as he was introduced?!

and rich franklin wins the award for worst trunks ever, pink with an ad for his website that looks like it made in Word and printed out on paper and pasted to his ass... lol.

fights were ok, nothing spectacular, except rashad's knockout that i couldn't appreciate.

Haha, yeah I was laughing at Franklin's taped website ad too!

GSP does the nipple thing too, I don't get it.

[PhishHead]

Haha, yeah I was laughing at Franklin's taped website ad too!

GSP does the nipple thing too, I don't get it.

I believe it is a greg jackson thing because I have seen jardine do it as well.

[Crippler]

I believe it is a greg jackson thing because I have seen jardine do it as well.

I read somewhere that it all goes back to GSP. Why he does it I've yet to find out, but Jardine & Evans & anyone else from that camp is doing it as an inside joke busting on Rush.

[cougarjake13]

i want ro like rashad but he seems hell bent on acting like a douchebag, wtf was he doing tweaking his nipples as he was introduced?!

and rich franklin wins the award for worst trunks ever, pink with an ad for his website that looks like it made in Word and printed out on paper and pasted to his ass... lol.

fights were ok, nothing spectacular, except rashad's knockout that i couldn't appreciate.



my vote for worst trunks was that guy who had condom depot right above his ass crack

[PhishHead]

this is very sad news.

I always loved watching him fight and he was always a fan favorite

RIP Evan

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5243/former-ufc-champ-evan-tanner-dead-at-37.mma

[Epschtein]

i was just coming here to post that :( that sucks.

[Ritalin]

RIP Evan.

Gutsy fighter.

[MM2]

this is very sad news.

I always loved watching him fight and he was always a fan favorite

RIP Evan

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5243/former-ufc-champ-evan-tanner-dead-at-37.mma

I remember reading his blog about going out in the desert and flirting with death. Its a shame, but it sounds like he died doing something he felt he had to do, so there is some good in looking at it that way.

[PhishHead]

as confirmed by Rashad, nipple twisting is an inside joke with GSP. GSP heard it was supposed to bring good luck.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5249/rashad-evans-clarifies-nipple-twisting-bill-gates-t-shirt.mma

[cougarjake13]

this is very sad news.

I always loved watching him fight and he was always a fan favorite

RIP Evan

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5243/former-ufc-champ-evan-tanner-dead-at-37.mma



horrible news


i was just watching a ufc marathon the other day and saw a couple of his matches

[Willmore]

What a stupid way to die.

[Chigworthy]

The usual irony; the guy just got his shit together again and then dies. Too bad, he was a tough fighter.

[PhishHead]

TUF 8 starts tonight after UFN with Diaz v Neer.

Hope some of you guys tune in.

TUF 8 has some sick fighters on it, can't wait to see them aside from their youtube videos.

[MM2]

TUF 8 starts tonight after UFN with Diaz v Neer.

Hope some of you guys tune in.

TUF 8 has some sick fighters on it, can't wait to see them aside from their youtube videos.

Check this out, Junie is fuckin' hilarious...

Junie Browning


1. How did you get started in MMA?

Well there is a old old prophecy about a young albino love assassin, to be born from the womb of ancient banjo player from the hills of Kentucky. Some people believe that I am that MMA mystery!
But I started by beating up most of my special ed teachers when they would take my pop tarts away..(no one touches my fuckin pop tarts)...and the chronic physical and verbal abuse from every one of my family and friends fueled my rapist and satanic fire for MMA!

2. What did your family say when you told them you wanted to be a professional fighter?

Mostly a shit ton of cursing, not cause they were mad, but because they have terrets syndrome.. Middle school football games were the worst, mom would say "good play" and then call me a son of a bitch. People would get mad and she would apoligize, but later call their mother a whore. i had a really hard time those few years. Hell the first five years of my life I answerd to the name bastard!! But after I started punching people in there dick holes and making rent, my money hungry hilljack relatives were down with it plus they said it would help my crystal meth and porn addiciton. So then they were all for it.

3. What are your strengths as a fighter?

Oh God, where to begin? Being bipolar always helps and being from the bad ass state of Kentucky. Hell people kill for shoes here. You just gotta be tough where I'm from. But I started my ground game by wrestling cattle, their super strong! And it is physically impossible for me to feel any pain...plus I have crazy retarded strengh. And my mind reading super powers help too. But really all the 155lb divison in the UFC are so predictable that winning fights will be like taking candy from a one armed ape with Muscular Dystrophy.

4. What is the story behind the two tattoos on your chest?

Those are the mark of the beast that is Four Seasons MMA gym in Lexington KY(859 245 5982). It is a blessing to have it on my stunning body and further more the coolest tattoo ever. Only the combat team has the diamond logo tattoo, anyone else with the mark will be shot on site.

5. When cutting weight for a fight what's the hardest thing to cut out of your diet?

Hamburger, babys,sex, tons of drugs, hot dogs, ice cream sandwiches, ketchup, bubblegum, Food item orgys, bandaids, painkillers, small rabbits, sluts. days old pizza, steroids, butter, WHISKEY,more sluts, and pleasing myself.

6. What do you like to do when you aren't training?

ALL OF THE ABOVE!

7. Where do you train?

Four seasons MMA in Lexington Kentucky..thats where the killers are made my friend.

8. Which training partner gives you the toughest time in practice? Ha ha good one...um I usually train like three on one cause I'm really super badass.

9. What is the worst job you've ever had?I have no idea I've never had one...cant pass the damn drug test!

10. You're from Lexington, is Kentucky going to be any good in basketball this year?

I only keep up with violent sports, ha ha but we should be awesome this year..Ill be at every game and it was a huge privilage to have faught at Rupp Arena where the wildcats play!!!

[PhishHead]

yea junie is very funny, if you saw the previews for next week he gets knocked out in the house, not during a fight, but for fun. Some guy just loads up and cracks him and junie goes straight down and limp. He has a look on his face like "oh crap this punch may kill me"

[MM2]

yea junie is very funny, if you saw the previews for next week he gets knocked out in the house, not during a fight, but for fun. Some guy just loads up and cracks him and junie goes straight down and limp. He has a look on his face like "oh crap this punch may kill me"

I've only seen the first episode, I thought he was alittle too cocky, but after reading that, he's just a crazy asshole, so I can appreciate that, haha!

[PhishHead]

I've only seen the first episode, I thought he was alittle too cocky, but after reading that, he's just a crazy asshole, so I can appreciate that, haha!

Dana said before this season that there is someone on this show that will be the next Anderson Silva, but after watching the prelims I can say none of them are even close to being the next A. Silva.

[MM2]

Dana said before this season that there is someone on this show that will be the next Anderson Silva, but after watching the prelims I can say none of them are even close to being the next A. Silva.

Yeah, I heard it was Joe Duarte, but he lost, so I think its safe to say it wasn't him haha. I heard some chatter on some message boards that its Shane Nelson, haven't seen him yet. Did you see him?

[PhishHead]

Yeah, I heard it was Joe Duarte, but he lost, so I think its safe to say it wasn't him haha. I heard some chatter on some message boards that its Shane Nelson, haven't seen him yet. Did you see him?

He wasnt anything special. He won and was good but he didnt finish his guy and I wasnt scared of him. For someone to be named as the next A Silva he better finish and just look like he will kill you.

I see A Silva and im like that guy could destroy me.

[Ritalin]

So far I'm digging the new TUF. I was very happy to see that guy who got ROBBED on a decision get back into the house, and I felt bad for the Brit who dinged his shin with a leg kick and had to leave.

The fight game is brutal in more ways than one.

[DolaMight]

what does it say about people finally getting over the kimbo hype where he appears as a guest on the radio show this site is dedicated to and it doesn't generate a single post about him in the only MMA thread?

I see two old men lying on top of each other heavily breathing and shamrock ankle submitting him near the end of the 2nd round.

[MM2]

what does it say about people finally getting over the kimbo hype where he appears as a guest on the radio show this site is dedicated to and it doesn't generate a single post about him in the only MMA thread?

I see two old men lying on top of each other heavily breathing and shamrock ankle submitting him near the end of the 2nd round.

Well for me, he really didn't say anything I haven't already heard from him.

I don't think Shammy has a chance in this one, I'm not so sure he has the strength to take Kimbo down and all it takes is a couple shots and Ken is going down.

What I would like to see is Kimbo actually go for the take down at the start and ground and pound Shamrock. If he can do that, I will be impressed that his game is improving. If he just tries to stand with Shamrock and just KO's him, I won't be impressed because who hasn't KO'd Shamrock in the last couple years? I mean Buzz Berry? Come on!

What I'm shocked about is nobody has mentioned the Arlovski fight being added to the EXC card for October 4th. That's big news because if Affliction and EXC can somehow merge, that will be huge competition for the UFC.

[PhishHead]

Well for me, he really didn't say anything I haven't already heard from him.

I don't think Shammy has a chance in this one, I'm not so sure he has the strength to take Kimbo down and all it takes is a couple shots and Ken is going down.

What I would like to see is Kimbo actually go for the take down at the start and ground and pound Shamrock. If he can do that, I will be impressed that his game is improving. If he just tries to stand with Shamrock and just KO's him, I won't be impressed because who hasn't KO'd Shamrock in the last couple years? I mean Buzz Berry? Come on!

What I'm shocked about is nobody has mentioned the Arlovski fight being added to the EXC card for October 4th. That's big news because if Affliction and EXC can somehow merge, that will be huge competition for the UFC.

Affliction is burning through way too much money right now and so is Elite. Elite's difference is their contract with CBS/Showtime and their small payroll, whereas Affliction are paying people HUGE amounts who are bums, 800k plus bonuses to Big Tim? Get the hell out of here. Their first payroll was over 3 million dollars. They asked every one of their fighters to take a pay cut for future events Barnett came out and said he wouldnt and a few fighters followed suit, so who knows where Affliction will be in a year or a few months.

[Chigworthy]

so who knows where Affliction will be in a year or a few months.

Making childish clothing. Maybe skulls and wings will be outdated by then, and they will start putting dragons and swords on their shirts. Or ligers and ninjas.

[PhishHead]

Making childish clothing. Maybe skulls and wings will be outdated by then, and they will start putting dragons and swords on their shirts. Or ligers and ninjas.

some of the worse clothing ever along with tapout. Don't people understand fighters only wear that crap because they PAY them a TON of money to do it.

[MM2]

Affliction is burning through way too much money right now and so is Elite. Elite's difference is their contract with CBS/Showtime and their small payroll, whereas Affliction are paying people HUGE amounts who are bums, 800k plus bonuses to Big Tim? Get the hell out of here. Their first payroll was over 3 million dollars. They asked every one of their fighters to take a pay cut for future events Barnett came out and said he wouldnt and a few fighters followed suit, so who knows where Affliction will be in a year or a few months.

Actually when the Arlovski co-promotion was announced Barnett came out and said he wasn't offered the fight on CBS and he also was not and has never been asked to take a pay cut. No whether that's the truth or not, who knows, but its what he said recently on his myspace blog.

Showtime is going through the process of purchasing ProElite, so when that finally goes through, it will be a very good possibility for Affliction to merge with them because like you said, at this rate Affliction will be out of business in 6 months. I think it would be smart for both sides, and there is already talk of Kimbo/Fedor in the future, as silly as that sounds to a real MMA fan, it will be a huge money making fight. The hype of Kimbo and the greatness of Fedor, would bring in huge amounts of $$$. Although the fight would probably last 30 seconds, it will be heavily hyped and could bring in lost of cash.

I don't think Affliction has enough fighters to continue, and while EXC seems to be centered around Kimbo and Gina, they do have a decent stable of fighters which would be a great stable if you add the names that Affliction currently has.

Honestly, I don't think anyone can compete with the UFC, but if Affliction and EXC merge, it will be the closest anyone can come.

[PhishHead]

Actually when the Arlovski co-promotion was announced Barnett came out and said he wasn't offered the fight on CBS and he also was not and has never been asked to take a pay cut. No whether that's the truth or not, who knows, but its what he said recently on his myspace blog.

Showtime is going through the process of purchasing ProElite, so when that finally goes through, it will be a very good possibility for Affliction to merge with them because like you said, at this rate Affliction will be out of business in 6 months. I think it would be smart for both sides, and there is already talk of Kimbo/Fedor in the future, as silly as that sounds to a real MMA fan, it will be a huge money making fight. The hype of Kimbo and the greatness of Fedor, would bring in huge amounts of $$$. Although the fight would probably last 30 seconds, it will be heavily hyped and could bring in lost of cash.

I don't think Affliction has enough fighters to continue, and while EXC seems to be centered around Kimbo and Gina, they do have a decent stable of fighters which would be a great stable if you add the names that Affliction currently has.

Honestly, I don't think anyone can compete with the UFC, but if Affliction and EXC merge, it will be the closest anyone can come.

There was an interview barnett did that was like 2 weeks after the first Affliction PPV where he stated he was asked to take a paycut, I am in the process of searching for it.

Fedor v Kimbo would definitely generate a ton of cash, but again how much are they going to have to pay them each to fight that match? Fedor will look at it as a joke and ask for a lot of money, kimbo isn't stupid marketing wise and will know it will bring in a ton and will ask for a lot as well, just for the sake of hey if I get my ass wooped at least I will get 2 million for it.

A merger would be good for both as you stated Affliction roster is small and EXC has a great roster once you get past Gina and Kimbo. I mean crap they also have Jake Shields who is probably one of the best 170lbers besides GSP right now.

I just don't understand why UFC cant just come up with deals with the other organizations to give the best overall fights. UFC should get majority of the revenue in as most likely they will spend the most putting on the event and have the bigger name and have the bigger stable of fighters.

[MM2]

There was an interview barnett did that was like 2 weeks after the first Affliction PPV where he stated he was asked to take a paycut, I am in the process of searching for it.

Fedor v Kimbo would definitely generate a ton of cash, but again how much are they going to have to pay them each to fight that match? Fedor will look at it as a joke and ask for a lot of money, kimbo isn't stupid marketing wise and will know it will bring in a ton and will ask for a lot as well, just for the sake of hey if I get my ass wooped at least I will get 2 million for it.

A merger would be good for both as you stated Affliction roster is small and EXC has a great roster once you get past Gina and Kimbo. I mean crap they also have Jake Shields who is probably one of the best 170lbers besides GSP right now.

I just don't understand why UFC cant just come up with deals with the other organizations to give the best overall fights. UFC should get majority of the revenue in as most likely they will spend the most putting on the event and have the bigger name and have the bigger stable of fighters.

Here's what Josh Barnett said after the Arlovski announcement....

“I read somewhere that I had declined the fight because I would have had to take a pay cut. I suppose others may also formulate some story about me declining the fight for other reasons.

I never declined to take this fight. I was never told that I would have any part of my pay reduced since working with Affliction. To my knowledge, no one has been asked to take a pay cut that fights for Affliction.

I did not turn down this fight.

Josh”

I do believe that you did read that Affliction fighters were asked to take pay cuts, but that's what he said. Who knows what's true or not, especially if he's saying he did get asked and now saying he wasn't. Affliction is in trouble, and as much as the "t-shirt" guy keeps saying they are fine, a big promotion doesn't postpone a huge PPV for 4 or 5 months.

As for the co-promotions, I can see both sides to it. The UFC really doesn't need to do it, there are a few fights that they could probably benefit from, like Fedor/Couture, but most of the fights fans want to see can be made within their own org. The risk of having one of the UFC studs lose to someone outside the org is probably deemed too great by Dana. I can't argue with that.

Jake Shields can call out GSP, and that's a fight I'd like to see, but if he really wanted GSP so bad, why sign such a long term deal with EXC? I think he's getting compensated pretty well by EXC, but he has to know going in that fight isn't going to happen unless he signs with the UFC. I can't blame him though, I'd go where they are going to pay me the most money, but I wouldn't call out someone I know I can't fight.

[Dirtbag]

I don't know who thinks Fedor/Kimbo is a huge cash cow. Hardcores won't pay to watch Kimbo, casuals won't pay to watch Fedor.

[MM2]

I don't know who thinks Fedor/Kimbo is a huge cash cow. Hardcores won't pay to watch Kimbo, casuals won't pay to watch Fedor.

I disagree, hardcores will pay to see Kimbo get smashed by Fedor. And the casual fans will pay for the hype, because this fight will be hyped to death!

[Dirtbag]

I disagree, hardcores will pay to see Kimbo get smashed by Fedor. And the casual fans will pay for the hype, because this fight will be hyped to death!

I would not pay $40-50 for that fight both on principle, and I'm not gonna waste money on something that'll last 9 seconds. The undercard would have to be retardedly stacked to the point where it'd be borderline impossible without a co-promotion with the UFC. I'm generally the type to say Fighter A has no shot against Fighter B, but Kimbo has no shot against Fedor. Even Tim Sylvia is ten times the fighter Kimbo is, and we all know how that turned out.

On a side note, my ticket to UFC 91 arrived in the mail yesterday. I'm already crushed about Silva/Rampage 3 being moved to UFC 93, and I will literally kill myself if Randy or Brock gets injured.

[Ritalin]

I'm with Dirtbag. I'm not paying money to see Fedor/Kimbo. Why would I do that?

[MM2]

I'm with Dirtbag. I'm not paying money to see Fedor/Kimbo. Why would I do that?

Well I would tend to think you guys are in the minority. I think a good amount of hardcores will buy a Fedor PPV, especially to see him smash the hype machine that is Kimbo. I know alot of people won't in principle like you said, but I still think it would make alot of money.

Are you going to purchase UFC 90? To see Anderson Silva destroy Patrick Cote? I know I am, I pretty much buy every UFC PPV so maybe I'm in the minority there. But I think you guys are underestimating the amount of money a Fedor/Kimbo fight would bring in.

I know its not the question, but don't you think ALOT more people would buy a Kimbo/Fedor PPV than a Kimbo/Brett Rodgers PPV?

If Affliction and EXC merge, then you can safely assume that the undercard will be sick as well, with the amount of fighters each company has. Would you pay to see Robbie Lawler/Matt Lindland? Antonio Bigfoot Silva/Arlovski? Babalu/Ninja Rua? Josh Barnett/Ed Herman? They could build a sick card if they ever merged or did a full co-promotion card.

As an MMA fan I want to see this happen.

Also, don't worry Dirtbag, if you heard those Couture and Lesnar rumors. Someone prank called Xtreme Couture posing as Lorenzo Ferrtita or however you spell it, and told them Lesnar had an injury and the fight was cancelled. Both are said to be 100% healthy as of this moment.

[Dirtbag]

UFC 90 will actually be the first UFC since 72, that disaster in Ireland, that I won't be paying for. I may head out to a sports bar, but odds are I'll just end up downloading it. And while I have Anderson over Fedor in my P4P rankings, Cote has better chance than Kimbo does. Kimbo is also untested as far as PPV buys goes. All three of his fights have been on either Showtime or CBS, nobody's had to shell out extra cash to further his hype train. Maybe Shamrock will beat him on Saturday and this discussion can be put to an end anyway.

[cougarjake13]

i rarely buy ppv's on my own

i usually either go to the bar to watch or if my buddy who's a big mma fan takes off from work we usually watch at his place with a few other guys and split the cost



i wouldnt buy kimbo/fedor on my own but i would go to a bar or split it with a few people

[Matty3Bucks]

Heh.

I am a long time listener and sometimes poster here on ronfez.net

Just wanted to post that I started a new MMA blog

http://mmapinions.blogspot.com/

I hope promoting this thing is allowed, if not please don't ban me.

Thanks

Matt
:banning:

[Fallon]

EliteXC is on CBS right now.

Ken Shamrock vs. Kimbo Slice in the main event.

I hope Ken makes his over rated ass tap.

[PhilDeez]

EliteXC is on CBS right now.

Ken Shamrock vs. Kimbo Slice in the main event.

I hope Ken makes his over rated ass tap.

Going to be hard, he pulled out of the fight for medical reasons. Kimbo know faces some guy from the undercard.

[MM2]

Going to be hard, he pulled out of the fight for medical reasons. Kimbo know faces some guy from the undercard.

Hahahahaha! So long Kimbo hype. I think this just might be the best thing to happen to Elite XC, now they can concentrate on promoting the actual figthers they have like Jake Sheilds and Robbie Lawler. And if Tito Ortiz signs, they can start hyping him...he might be a tad past his prime but at least he's a real fighter.

[EddieMoscone]

Stupid decision to take the fight by Kimbo. It's one thing to take a fight on a few days notice, but a few hours notice is crazy. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose. He got rocked for sure, but this isn't some street fight, you have to prepare for your opponents in MMA.

[EddieMoscone]

Hahahahaha! So long Kimbo hype. I think this just might be the best thing to happen to Elite XC, now they can concentrate on promoting the actual figthers they have like Jake Sheilds and Robbie Lawler. And if Tito Ortiz signs, they can start hyping him...he might be a tad past his prime but at least he's a real fighter.

If they want to stay in business, Ortiz is the only hope, because no one is going to tune in or pay money for Jake Sheilds or Robbie Lawler, I don't care how good they are.

[ahhdurr]

Gina Carano on Craig Ferguson (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=9985320&ch=2283876&src=sports)
<br>
A friend of mine turned me onto this chick - she's really fantastic.

Ferguson's funnier than I remembered ... then I realized I mistook him for Kilborn. He kills.

(sorry it's just the link with a commercial - if anyone has an embed pls post)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

knock knock

[ahhdurr]

knock knock

who's there?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

who's there?

Kimbo

[ahhdurr]

Kimbo

http://www.geocities.com/paperbag3/spanish.jpg

[MM2]

If they want to stay in business, Ortiz is the only hope, because no one is going to tune in or pay money for Jake Sheilds or Robbie Lawler, I don't care how good they are.

I kind of disagree with you here, its all about promotion and hype. They put all of their pomotion and hype behind Kimbo and Garano. Now that Kimbo is out of the way, they can start promoting the top fighters they actually have. Jake Shields is probably the top WW behind GSP and Eddie Alvarez is a top 3 LW in the world, Robbie Lawler is a UFC vet, who has improved by leaps and bounds since he was in the UFC, he's a legit top 10 MW in the world. What they have to do is concentrate on matchmaking and promote these stud fighters that they actually have.

One great move that I think could save both promotions would be to merge with Affliction. They seem to have worked well together with this cross promoted Arlovski fight, why not just join forces. I think its the only way either can survive long term.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

http://www.geocities.com/paperbag3/spanish.jpg

exactly

[cougarjake13]

see what had happened was hippos picked kimbo to win

[cogsdoc]

Jake Shields is probably the top WW behind GSP and Eddie Alvarez is a top 3 LW in the world,

I have to disagree, I was super unimpressed by Jake Shields. Watching him, it seemed that he had no power in any of his strikes. And a decent fighter would never have been mounted or submitted by him.

This thing is done. Kimbo was their only prayer, and that was never more than a sideshow anyway. In fact the whole thing has felt like one big side show (the beautiful female fighter on display, etc.) This thing was the XFL version of the UFC, and it cannot go away fast enough.

[cougarjake13]

I have to disagree, I was super unimpressed by Jake Shields. Watching him, it seemed that he had no power in any of his strikes. And a decent fighter would never have been mounted or submitted by him.

This thing is done. Kimbo was their only prayer, and that was never more than a sideshow anyway. In fact the whole thing has felt like one big side show (the beautiful female fighter on display, etc.) This thing was the XFL version of the UFC, and it cannot go away fast enough.



if shamrocks old ass beat him then yeh

but they're not gonna put much weight behind losing to some guy he didnt know he was facing a few hours before the match

[cogsdoc]

yeah but you know if this guy was sitting around just waiting to jump in, he's just a scrub. just look at the mook that arguably beat Kimbo last time. at least shamrock was a good MMA fighter at some point. the rest of these guys are supposed to be easy wins for kimbo, it's time for him to head back to yard fighting.

[cougarjake13]

yeah but you know if this guy was sitting around just waiting to jump in, he's just a scrub. just look at the mook that arguably beat Kimbo last time. at least shamrock was a good MMA fighter at some point. the rest of these guys are supposed to be easy wins for kimbo, it's time for him to head back to yard fighting.

should he have won anyway probably

but you dont know what his mentality was after he was told shamrock wasnt his opponent

[cogsdoc]

but you know a ufc heavyweight would have pummeled the guy regardless. if Kimbo is that weak mentally, it's just one more reason to end this sideshow

[cougarjake13]

but you know a ufc heavyweight would have pummeled the guy regardless. if Kimbo is that weak mentally, it's just one more reason to end this sideshow



true but this isnt the ufc and just a short while ago kimbo was nothing more than a street fighter, so maybe he doesnt have the mental part of being a fighter yet

[MM2]

I have to disagree, I was super unimpressed by Jake Shields. Watching him, it seemed that he had no power in any of his strikes. And a decent fighter would never have been mounted or submitted by him.

This thing is done. Kimbo was their only prayer, and that was never more than a sideshow anyway. In fact the whole thing has felt like one big side show (the beautiful female fighter on display, etc.) This thing was the XFL version of the UFC, and it cannot go away fast enough.

You can't judge a fighter on one fight, he dominated him on the ground which is to be expected because Daley is a terrible ground fighter. Shields stand up is improving but you can't judge it based on that fight, Daley is a VERY good striker and he never hurt Shields. Shields has beaten Carlos Condit, Yushin Okami and Mike Pyle, and has an 11 fight win streak, which is hard to do.

Trust me, Shields is a stud. As unimpressive as he might have looked to you, he finished the fight in the second round.

[cogsdoc]

Fair enough, you are right, this was the first time I have seen him fight, and it's not fair to judge. I guess my point more than anything is that Elite XC is an absolute circus. I think it is bad for the sport, and I hope ti goes away and soon.

[DolaMight]

SETH PETRUZELLI SHOCKS THE WORLD!!

THE MOST INCREDIBLE VICTORY IN MIXED MARTIAL ARTS HISTORY!!!!

BELIEVE!!!

It sure was. I think somebody's in love.

[MM2]

Fair enough, you are right, this was the first time I have seen him fight, and it's not fair to judge. I guess my point more than anything is that Elite XC is an absolute circus. I think it is bad for the sport, and I hope ti goes away and soon.

Yeah, that's why I think that it was the best thing that could have happened to Elite XC, they have a nice stable of fighters so now they can start spending the money they pumped behind Kimbo and start promoting the real fighters they have. Jake Shields being one, Robbie Lawler being another. A Jake Shields/Robbie Lawler fight at MW is a main event caliber fight. Nick Diaz/Eddie Alvarez LW championship fight is a main event caliber fight. If they get things worked out with KJ Noons, then the winner of Diaz/Alvarez versus Noons is a main event caliber fight. I think there is some hope in the Elite XC and they need to realize that this is the best thing that could have happened for the long term health of the company.

[Dirtybird12]

I dont know if I agree with this loss or not...I still think Kimbo is a clown and is all hype and will end up on his back a lot more in the future.. - but Im not sure he deserved to lose THIS one...

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Already discussed in the MMA thread.

[cougarjake13]

gotta love the thread merge

[King Imp]

Junie is such a little fucking punk. If Dana doesn't kick his immature ass off after yet another incident, then it will just go to prove what a two faced piece of shit Dana White truly is. Yeah, tell Jesse Taylor that he isn't mentally ready for this, but keep Junie around. Why? RATINGS!

[Ritalin]

Junie is such a little fucking punk. If Dana doesn't kick his immature ass off after yet another incident, then it will just go to prove what a two faced piece of shit Dana White truly is. Yeah, tell Jesse Taylor that he isn't mentally ready for this, but keep Junie around. Why? RATINGS!

I totally forgot about Jesse! You're absolutely right, although Junie did his nonsense in the house, and Jesse was staggering around Vegas. Being a dumbass in public is a no no.

Actually, those are words to live by: Being a dumbass in public is a no no.

I was happy to see Nelson tap out, too.

[EddieMoscone]

yeah but you know if this guy was sitting around just waiting to jump in, he's just a scrub. just look at the mook that arguably beat Kimbo last time. at least shamrock was a good MMA fighter at some point. the rest of these guys are supposed to be easy wins for kimbo, it's time for him to head back to yard fighting.

Seth Petruzelli (sp?) wasn't just waiting around to jump in. He had a fight scheduled with someone else that night. He had been training for the fight, it's not like they grabbed him off a bar stool.

[PhishHead]

I totally forgot about Jesse! You're absolutely right, although Junie did his nonsense in the house, and Jesse was staggering around Vegas. Being a dumbass in public is a no no.

Actually, those are words to live by: Being a dumbass in public is a no no.

I was happy to see Nelson tap out, too.

Before the season started I really liked what I heard about Nelson and what I saw, especially coming from BJ's school, he has a great reputation as most Hilo boys do.

But once this season started and he was a loud mouth and a braggart just like Junie, it really turned me off and I would have thought BJ would have taught him some humiliation.

very glad that Efrain won especially by sub.

Junie should definitely be kicked off especially for jumping in the ring.

[cogsdoc]

Yeah, I usually have favorites in each match. But this go around, I was feeling really heated. I was actually nervous that Shane would win. Nothing worse than a loudmouth, especially one that can't back it up. I cannot deal with Junie in the house for an entire season, especially since he is likely to win fights and shoot his mouth off even more. :furious:

[MM2]

Before the season started I really liked what I heard about Nelson and what I saw, especially coming from BJ's school, he has a great reputation as most Hilo boys do.

But once this season started and he was a loud mouth and a braggart just like Junie, it really turned me off and I would have thought BJ would have taught him some humiliation.

very glad that Efrain won especially by sub.

Junie should definitely be kicked off especially for jumping in the ring.

I just watched the last show, what a joke, I liked Junie at the start of the season, but damn that kid is either really mentally challenged or trying WAY too hard to be a bad ass. I mean you are gonna start crying knowing your shot was almost taken away, and then you still act like a dick and try to start fights in the house, not to mention jumping in the ring and pushing Big Nog. What a joke, there is a fine line between enteratining and retarded, I think he definitely crossed it.

Still though, I don't want to see him kicked off, because he is an exciting fighter, and I want to see him fight.

[King Imp]

I'm not the biggest Dana White fan, but I love this video and couldn't agree more.

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[Dirtbag]

That's why I love Dana White. When he's not being a self-promoting pompous ass, he really is brilliant.

[cougarjake13]

I'm not the biggest Dana White fan, but I love this video and couldn't agree more.

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that was fucking awesome


i hope they werent trying to fix fights but if they prove that they were then i hope they all go to jail

[Willmore]

It just hit me, Dana looks, talks and acts like Dom from Entourage.

[King Imp]

Junie is such a little fucking punk. If Dana doesn't kick his immature ass off after yet another incident, then it will just go to prove what a two faced piece of shit Dana White truly is. Yeah, tell Jesse Taylor that he isn't mentally ready for this, but keep Junie around. Why? RATINGS!

Thank you for proving my point once again Dana. That was the most pathetic excuse he made for not kicking him off. "If Keith Kiser, the head of the athletic commission were here, Junie would be immediately kicked off the show." How about YOU fucking do it you two faced arrogant pussy?!?!

[EddieMoscone]

Thank you for proving my point once again Dana. That was the most pathetic excuse he made for not kicking him off. "If Keith Kiser, the head of the athletic commission were here, Junie would be immediately kicked off the show." How about YOU fucking do it you two faced arrogant pussy?!?!

The Athletic Commison wouldn't have kicked him off the show, they would have pulled his license to fight in Nevada. And if he can't fight in Nevada he obviously can't compete on the show.

[King Imp]

The Athletic Commison wouldn't have kicked him off the show, they would have pulled his license to fight in Nevada. And if he can't fight in Nevada he obviously can't compete on the show.

Dana's exact words were "They'd kick him off the show and pull his license."

Heaven forbid the man who just last season told some they weren't "mentally ready for this" for in my opinion far less of an act stand up and kick this punk off.

[FezsAssistant]

It's a reality show. Get over it.

[cogsdoc]

I think I might hate that other tool who pissed on the bed even more. Come to think of it, that Elliot prick needs a good beating too.

[Chigworthy]

I think I might hate that other tool who pissed on the bed even more. Come to think of it, that Elliot prick needs a good beating too.

Chris Leben got paid back fairly well with the hose incident. Not to mention he's very fun to watch fight.

[Dirtbag]

I'm so disappointed in Chris Leben right now. It's a lot like the Diego Sanchez/Josh Koscheck fight. Yeah, Bisping and Koscheck were douches for using the Machida style (regardless of how obviously effective it is), but by some point the opponent has got to realize what they're doing and go for broke. If it were me I'd much rather go out on my back then play the other guys game for 15 minutes and still lose horribly.

[cougarjake13]

whens the lesnar fight ??

[cogsdoc]

whens the lesnar fight ??

I believe it is during next saturday night's PPV event

[Dirtbag]

UFC 91, November 15. I'll be there.

[cougarjake13]

UFC 91, November 15. I'll be there.

awesome

[Fallon]

EliteXC: Out of Business (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3655102)

I blame Kimbo.

[Dougie Brootal]

EliteXC: Out of Business (http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3655102)

I blame Kimbo.

POOR GINA CARANO! AND POOR MY PENIS!! :glurps:

[midwestjeff]

AND POOR MY PENIS!! :glurps:

Aww. Don't worry, you can still watch all of Kimbo's youtube videos.

[Dougie Brootal]

Aww. Don't worry, you can still watch all of Kimbo's youtube videos.

GODAMMIT!!!!! THATS NOT WHAT I MEANT AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!

[King Imp]

POOR GINA CARANO! AND POOR MY PENIS!! :glurps:

I really was looking forward to the Carano-Cyborg fight. So much for that now unless they both go somewhere else together.

[EddieMoscone]

Fighters like Couture and Ortiz have complained in the past numerous times that UFC is cheap on paydays and that fighters are better taken care of elsewhere. I think as these other companies fall by the wayside, some of these fighters re-think their percieved value.

The reason UFC is stil in business is because it finally put a logical business model in place after many years of losing money. Companies like Elite XC, Bodog, etc. who pay out these huge paydays to fighters who may or may not deserve it will continue to go bankrupt one by one.

[Dougie Brootal]

I really was looking forward to the Carano-Cyborg fight. So much for that now unless they both go somewhere else together.

i was really looking forward to her next weigh in!!!
http://images.sportsline.com/images/mmaboxing/carano_weighin_450.jpg

[midwestjeff]

i was really looking forward to his next weigh in!!!
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/street_cert_kimbo_flex.jpg

We know man. We know.

[Dougie Brootal]

We know man. We know.

you bastard!

[Willmore]

Look for CBS possibly going with Affliction for their next MMA broadcast.

[Dirtbag]

This really sucks for women's MMA, but otherwise its great. The sideshow fighters can fade into obscurity where they belong, and the good fighters can make their way into a promotion who knows what its doing.

[FezsAssistant]

i was really looking forward to her next weigh in!!!
http://images.sportsline.com/images/mmaboxing/carano_weighin_450.jpg

by the way, the guy on the right with the towel in his mouth and looking at her is her father. i'm not joking. they interview him after fights.

[RaysFever]

I'm so disappointed in Chris Leben right now. It's a lot like the Diego Sanchez/Josh Koscheck fight. Yeah, Bisping and Koscheck were douches for using the Machida style (regardless of how obviously effective it is), but by some point the opponent has got to realize what they're doing and go for broke. If it were me I'd much rather go out on my back then play the other guys game for 15 minutes and still lose horribly.

When are they going to pull Bisping from the UK and make him fight in the US? He shouldn't have won that fight against Matt Hamill (bogus decision), and they just keep bringing Americans over to fight him is that in his contract, or is he just the marketing tool over there?

[FezsAssistant]

He's huge over there. He puts asses (dumb uneducated fight fans that boo at the wrong time) in the seats.
I'd love to see a rematch with Matt Hamill.

[RaysFever]

I'd like to see them fight again as well, but Hamill has gone on and lost since, so not much chance there. It must be a huge disadvantage to be deaf in that sport - but that's not the point. I don't care much for Bisping, but he does keep winning. I haven't seen the fight against Leben yet - but know Bisping wins again. Leben barely wins by anything but a knock-out.

[FezsAssistant]

Leben was the aggressor. Bisping backpedaled the entire time, but got in a few good shots. Leben's face looked more beat up at the end. At least Leben tried to give a good fight for the fans.

It's was at least better than Junie vs Roli on TUF. They both sucked terribly. What a waste of time that fight was.

[FezsAssistant]

re: Leben...
Bisping stated that his plan was to win a decision. Not exactly something fans want to hear.

[RaysFever]

Leben was the aggressor. Bisping backpedaled the entire time, but got in a few good shots. Leben's face looked more beat up at the end. At least Leben tried to give a good fight for the fans.

It's was at least better than Junie vs Roli on TUF. They both sucked terribly. What a waste of time that fight was.

Should have known Leben would be more aggressive - Bisping doesn't leave it out there.

I am a few episodes behind on TUF, but I have seen two incidents that should have gotten Junie kicked off - It is BS that he is still on the show. I saw his fight in the opener, and he looked impressive, but he seems like such a bitch

[RaysFever]

re: Leben...
Bisping stated that his plan was to win a decision. Not exactly something fans want to hear.

Not a surprise. But, they won't send top contenders to the UK to fight him (they can't put them on PPV anymore due to delay), and they won't bring him to US to fight (only big draw over there)

[FezsAssistant]

Should have known Leben would be more aggressive - Bisping doesn't leave it out there.

I am a few episodes behind on TUF, but I have seen two incidents that should have gotten Junie kicked off - It is BS that he is still on the show. I saw his fight in the opener, and he looked impressive, but he seems like such a bitch

Gina Carano would have killed both of them.

[RaysFever]

I was looking forward to seeing her fight Cyborg - but that league was bound to fail with all its money on Kimbo - what a manufactured star

[RaysFever]

I'm not very interested in the upcoming UFC PPV either - I don't think Cote can match up with Silva, and I hate Koscheck.

I am looking ahead to Lesnar-Couture

[NYHCmikeX]

Chris Leben nailed for steroids.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/ufc-flags-leben-for-steroid-use-15031

[cougarjake13]

Chris Leben nailed for steroids.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/ufc-flags-leben-for-steroid-use-15031



so whats the suspension

like 9 months right ??

[NYHCmikeX]

Yeah, UFC suspended him 9 months, but Nevada Athletic Commision techinically hasnt suspended him because the fight was in the UK and the test done by a 3rd party, not the NSAC.

Sucks for him, he was starting to get back his life back on track I heard. He looked noticably juiced in that fight.

[RaysFever]

What a weak night of WEC fights!

Filho didn't even try to fight - and should be stripped of his title after not making weight.

Faber loses in the first round.

What a weak night of fights.

[RaysFever]

I guess I should also point out that my digital cable said the WEC wasn't starting until 9:00 EST, but apparently it had started at 8, because I only saw 3 fights after turning it on at 9.

[NYHCmikeX]

What a weak night of WEC fights!

Filho didn't even try to fight - and should be stripped of his title after not making weight.

Faber loses in the first round.

What a weak night of fights.


Faber losing was one of the most shocking things I ever seen in MMA. I dont know if I would call that a weak fight. Everything else I agree with ya on though

[Dirtbag]

Other than the two main events, it was a great night. Rosholt/Osterneck was probably the best fight I've seen since the last WEC card (Torres/Maeda), and all the other fights were good except the disgrace Filho put on.

[Freitag]

I'm not very interested in the upcoming UFC PPV either - I don't think Cote can match up with Silva, and I hate Koscheck.

I am looking ahead to Lesnar-Couture

Lesnar/Couture is 11/15, right?

I'm thinking Couture takes him, but it'll be a good fight.

[NYHCmikeX]

Lesnar/Couture is 11/15, right?

Yup.

Hard to pick against Randy. Brock is a freak though, gonna be a good one.

[RaysFever]

Lesnar is getting better, but I would be more confident if he would have stopped Heath Herring. He was in a dominant position the whole fight, and couldn't knock him out. This is going to be a good one, though, I think.

[RaysFever]

Other than the two main events, it was a great night. Rosholt/Osterneck was probably the best fight I've seen since the last WEC card (Torres/Maeda), and all the other fights were good except the disgrace Filho put on.

I wish I could have seen more fights, I got tricked by my cable box. Luckily WEC replays their events constantly

[RaysFever]

Faber losing was one of the most shocking things I ever seen in MMA. I dont know if I would call that a weak fight. Everything else I agree with ya on though

Yeah, a good knock out is always good, but it was just so quick, and he threw an off-balance back-elbow when he got caught. If I had known more about Brown going in, I might have felt differently, but I only really knew Faber going in. I don't see a lot of 145 fights.

Pulver fought on that card too, right?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I go back to Lesnar's botched SSP at Wrestlemania. When you make a bad mistake as stupid as that, you can't unlearn behaviors like that. He's gonna have an opening, somewhere, Couture's gonna see it and take him out.

[Dirtbag]

I go back to Lesnar's botched SSP at Wrestlemania. When you make a bad mistake as stupid as that, you can't unlearn behaviors like that. He's gonna have an opening, somewhere, Couture's gonna see it and take him out.
Brock fucked up a backflip during a pre-planned entertainment program, thus he's going to lose a legitimate fight to a 45 year old man who he's got 60 pounds on? I don't follow. If you think Randy's experience is going to win him the fight, so be it. But relying on something that happened 5 years ago in WWE makes zero sense.
Lesnar is getting better, but I would be more confident if he would have stopped Heath Herring. He was in a dominant position the whole fight, and couldn't knock him out. This is going to be a good one, though, I think. I don't think he couldn't stop Herring. It was more of a "There is no fucking way I'm going to put myself in a position to lose this fight" situation. Brock could have sunk in a RNC about 30 times during that fight but felt more comfortable just riding it out and scoring points.

[RaysFever]

It should be a good fight either way. I don't know for sure, but I have to think that Lesnar has a very strong jaw.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Brock fucked up a backflip during a pre-planned entertainment program, thus he's going to lose a legitimate fight to a 45 year old man who he's got 60 pounds on? I don't follow. If you think Randy's experience is going to win him the fight, so be it. But relying on something that happened 5 years ago in WWE makes zero sense.



Follow this logic -

MMA is about thinking 2,3, even five steps ahead. You make one mistake - you leave one opening - and you'll get yourself choked out.

Lesnar's attempt at the SSP was spot that needed to be perfectly laid out. Angle was WAY TOO FUCKING FAR to hit it and Brock, instead of trying to do something to make it look perfect, decided to be a man and go for the glory and royally fucked it up and nearly put himself in a wheelchair for life.

His ESPN interview on E:60, indicates to me, that he hasn't matured, he's still hotheaded, and he's still not thinking things through.

He's battled a couple of meatballs. Couture's no meatball.

[RaysFever]

Follow this logic -

MMA is about thinking 2,3, even five steps ahead. You make one mistake - you leave one opening - and you'll get yourself choked out.

Lesnar's attempt at the SSP was spot that needed to be perfectly laid out. Angle was WAY TOO FUCKING FAR to hit it and Brock, instead of trying to do something to make it look perfect, decided to be a man and go for the glory and royally fucked it up and nearly put himself in a wheelchair for life.

His ESPN interview on E:60, indicates to me, that he hasn't matured, he's still hotheaded, and he's still not thinking things through.

He's battled a couple of meatballs. Couture's no meatball.


So, in your opinion, Couture will walk through him?

I have to say, even though Lesnar has only had some 3 MMA fights, he is still a world-class wrestler. He may have been focused more on the spectacle than the technique while in WWE. He may still be a little green, but he is not stupid. He learned from the Mir fight, and is still training. He isn't just some Kimbo Slice manufactured star - He was NCAA all-american, and a national champion if I'm not mistaken.

That is a pretty good start. I think this guy will dominate the heavyweight division in the not-to-distant future, if not yet. With his size and power, let him add another year or two of MMA training, and he will be tough. I would not be too quick to hold his WWE time against him.

Couture is one of the best ever, so I'm not going to say that Lesnar will dominate him in his 4th fight, but just the fact that this should be competitive says something about Lesnar. I'll certainly be buying this PPV.

[Epschtein]

hey is anyone watching the jones vs. calzaghe fight tonight?

if you are, could you post here when they are about to walk out ?

thanx.

i thought the WEC fights were pretty good the other night, except for that knucklehead not making weight and then fighting like he was on acid.

i have been rooting for someone to upset faber even tho i like him, he took it really well too, seems like an all-around good kid. mike brown hits like a truck!

i sort of wish jens would just retire and go make a living teaching or something, always root for him but he seems to have lost something lately.

faber is freakishly fast eh? and like someone already said, that first fight was probably the fight of the night, two guys making their debut's to boot.

[Epschtein]

when i made that last post and mentioned how fast faber is i was trying to think of the only other person i have seen that was as fast or faster, it finally dawned on me when i watched jones vs calzaghe that it was roy jones in his prime i was thinking of.

(strange that i mentioned him in the same post and didnt put it together hehe)

that was a good fight last night, calzaghe might have pitched a shutout if he didnt catch that forearm to the face in the first round. he is a little too cocky but he does that consistently so i guess its just his style, he did the same thing all night when he picked apart lacy.

the showboating is only tolerable because he works so damn hard the rest of the time, and takes chances to keep mixing it up right until the final bell.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So, in your opinion, Couture will walk through him?

I have to say, even though Lesnar has only had some 3 MMA fights, he is still a world-class wrestler. He may have been focused more on the spectacle than the technique while in WWE. He may still be a little green, but he is not stupid. He learned from the Mir fight, and is still training. He isn't just some Kimbo Slice manufactured star - He was NCAA all-american, and a national champion if I'm not mistaken.

That is a pretty good start. I think this guy will dominate the heavyweight division in the not-to-distant future, if not yet. With his size and power, let him add another year or two of MMA training, and he will be tough. I would not be too quick to hold his WWE time against him.

Couture is one of the best ever, so I'm not going to say that Lesnar will dominate him in his 4th fight, but just the fact that this should be competitive says something about Lesnar. I'll certainly be buying this PPV.

I'm going to buy the PPV too, but I don't think Couture's going to walk through him.

What I think is going to happen is that Lesnar is either going to get winded or he's going to make a mistake, and Couture will take advantage.

I see too many similarities between Lesnar and Kimbo right now. Too much sizzle, not enough steak. I know Lesnar was an amateur wrestling champion... but that was also almost 10 years ago.

[NYHCmikeX]

He's battled a couple of meatballs. Couture's no meatball.

Neither is Heath Herring (or Frank Mir for that matter). Herring has been in the ring with some of the greats. He took Nogs the distance twice and got subbed by him once. He fought hard against Fedor and lost on a cut. He's fought Belfort, Mark Kerr, Cro-Cop, Goodridge. He has fought everyone that any federation has thrown at him and almost always held his own. And Lesnar flat out dominated him. Randy hasn't fought in 14 months and is going against a guy who, with all his inexperience is still a genetic freak. I love Randy, but this is going to be a tough fight for him.

Other than popularity, there is NO similarity between Kimbo and Brock. Randy was an alternate on the 88 olympic team, and debuted in UFC in 97, about ten years later. Wrestling doesnt change. A good wrestler is a good wrestler and putting on weight,size and strength will only help Lesnar, throw in that he is training Jits like a madman and he is a dangerous customer.

[RaysFever]

I'm going to buy the PPV too, but I don't think Couture's going to walk through him.

What I think is going to happen is that Lesnar is either going to get winded or he's going to make a mistake, and Couture will take advantage.

I see too many similarities between Lesnar and Kimbo right now. Too much sizzle, not enough steak. I know Lesnar was an amateur wrestling champion... but that was also almost 10 years ago.

Wow, I don't know. I don't see much correlation at all between Kimbo and Brock. Brock is an accomplished amateur athlete, NCAA champ in 2000. He made it through WWE for a couple of years - which is a very physically demanding profession. He made it through an off-season with the Vikings before being cut.

I do see that both are big draws, and being thrown out as headliners early, but Brock is hanging with real competition.

I don't know who is going to win, but I'm excited to see it.

I don't consider him like Kimbo, but I could be wrong. One thing in Brock's favor, maybe, is that if he loses, he loses to one of the best ever.

[King Imp]

Filho was absolutely pathetic and should clearly have some of his purse was taken away and given to Sonnen (moreso that what he already had taken away for missing weight). I would say he should be stripped of the belt as well, but apparantly the MW division was dissolved as well as the LHW division. Thinking back now, why would that even have been a title fight to begin with if they were just going to get rid of the division anyway?

It's clear Filho has some mental problems. I half expected him to pull an Oliver McCall and start crying during the fight. The guy had no desire to be in there and only showed up because he was probably made to. Until he gets his shit together, I have no desire to ever watch another of his fights.

[RaysFever]

Filho was absolutely pathetic and should clearly have some of his purse was taken away and given to Sonnen (moreso that what he already had taken away for missing weight). I would say he should be stripped of the belt as well, but apparantly the MW division was dissolved as well as the LHW division. Thinking back now, why would that even have been a title fight to begin with if they were just going to get rid of the division anyway?

It's clear Filho has some mental problems. I half expected him to pull an Oliver McCall and start crying during the fight. The guy had no desire to be in there and only showed up because he was probably made to. Until he gets his shit together, I have no desire to ever watch another of his fights.

Just missing weight when your own title is on the line seems like he was off mentally. But,maybe he just wanted there to be no way that he could lose the title in the cage, so he made it a non-title fight by missing weight.

[EddieMoscone]

Just missing weight when your own title is on the line seems like he was off mentally. But,maybe he just wanted there to be no way that he could lose the title in the cage, so he made it a non-title fight by missing weight.

WEC is ending the 185 weight class anyway, so the title was insiginificant. WEC 185's are moving to UFC. Still not an excuse for the obvious lack of dedication by Filho. If anything he should have been motivation to win going into UFC so that he entered as a top contender.

[Dirtbag]

WEC is ending the 185 weight class anyway, so the title was insiginificant. WEC 185's are moving to UFC. Still not an excuse for the obvious lack of dedication by Filho. If anything he should have been motivation to win going into UFC so that he entered as a top contender.
I don't think he wants to be a top contender. He's said he and Anderson won't fight each other, and if you don't want to be the champion what's the point?

[RaysFever]

Filho can always say he never lost the WEC belt. It's not much, but it is still something, and could be motivation for someone.

[Epschtein]

i just got caught up on TUF this season, damn Junie is definitely Chris Leben Jr., good fighter but a drunk and more than a little bit unstable.

i havent really picked anyone to root for yet, i guess i would like to see kristof win.

[Epschtein]

live video stream of the weigh-ins at espn.com right now.

[cougarjake13]

live video stream of the weigh-ins at espn.com right now.

awesome


thanks for the heads up


watching right now

[Epschtein]

i cant wait for this fight, hopefully it lives up to the hype and doesnt end on a cut or some shit.

there is a story in today's boston globe about it, i dont think i have ever seen an MMA article in the globe before.

unfortunately not much interests me on the undercard except for the stevenson fight, nate quarry too i guess. did they say he is returning from back surgery? or was that someone else?

[Epschtein]

and another thing!

man is it pissing me off that they cant get fedor signed, if lesnar wins tonight how fuckin' awesome would it be to see him defend the belt against fedor?!

but according to dana fedor is way overrated so he would never give him a title shot right away. and fedor's contract demands are pretty ridiculous if dana is being honest about that stuff.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Such a dumbass. I bought UFC 90 on pPV instead of 91. I'm on hold with comcast now. Meh.

[Epschtein]

^oh shit, hopefully they would take it off the bill for you.

demian maia really needs to stop kissing guys on the lips wtf, thats the second time i have seen him do that. nice fight tho.

hendricks has NO standup defense.

looks like we will get to see a couple of the prelims.

[Tenbatsuzen]

^oh shit, hopefully they would take it off the bill for you.

demian maia really needs to stop kissing guys on the lips wtf, thats the second time i have seen him do that. nice fight tho.

hendricks has NO standup defense.

looks like we will get to see a couple of the prelims.

WTF is this current match? It looks like Matsahasu is fighting. I didn't know he could work Saturdays.

[Epschtein]

yeah, i dont know why he is sporting the crazyman beard lol, boxing has rules about beards but i guess MMA doesnt yet, evan tanner sported a big hillbilly beard (i still cant believe he is dead and how he died, such a shame), and kimbo has one.

hazelett is sick on the ground.

so many good fights coming up soon, nog vs mir should be great, rampage vs silva is a guaranteed war.

[Tenbatsuzen]

yeah, i dont know why he is sporting the crazyman beard lol, boxing has rules about beards but i guess MMA doesnt yet, evan tanner sported a big hillbilly beard (i still cant believe he is dead and how he died, such a shame), and kimbo has one.

hazelett is sick on the ground.

so many good fights coming up soon, nog vs mir should be great, rampage vs silva is a guaranteed war.

I'm hoping Rampage is crazy enough to pull a knife during the match.

[Tenbatsuzen]

fucking SICK uppercut.

[Epschtein]

fucking SICK uppercut.

im with rogan, that might be the best uppercut i have ever seen in MMA, he took a full step into it and really wound up. beautiful.

[Tenbatsuzen]

im with rogan, that might be the best uppercut i have ever seen in MMA, he took a full step into it and really wound up. beautiful.

Was that thrown with the arm that was being worked over in the 2nd round?

[Epschtein]

Was that thrown with the arm that was being worked over in the 2nd round?

i dont think so, iirc it was his left arm that he got caught with, and he threw that shot with his right.

this fight is hard to call, florian vs stevenson. im rooting for florian but sort of think stevenson will take it. its a toss-up tho.

[SP1!]

fucking SICK uppercut.

Saw that it looked like it huert

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why do I suddenly want a beer?

[Epschtein]

^seriously, im fuckin' amped up for this fight.

i love randy but i hope lesnar pulls it off. i will be happy either way as long as it is a great fight, but randy has had his moments in the sun, i think lesnar winning would make things really interesting at heavyweight.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow, they fuckin' HATE Lesnar.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

justin.tv and watch it fo free

[Epschtein]

great first round.

yeah lesnar got booed at the weigh-ins too, they will cheer him if he wins tho i think. its just because randy is so loved by fans.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Brock's cut... and looking winded.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Damn, what the fuck just happened?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Randy just CRUMPLED. Ooof, got him right in the temple.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well, I guess Sable's pregnant.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

yessss

fuck the ufc elitists


Brock pwned Couture

[MrDivian]

ooodf go freeekin Brock what a hit

[Epschtein]

wow, that initial shot was glancing but in a bad spot, and with brock's strength all those follow-ups must have felt like getting hit in the head with a bag of cement.

i really need to see brock vs fedor, make it happen dana!

[Tenbatsuzen]

wow, that initial shot was glancing but in a bad spot, and with brock's strength all those follow-ups must have felt like getting hit in the head with a bag of cement.

i really need to see brock vs fedor, make it happen dana!

Couture was doing so well too. And Brock was getting tired. Damn.

[RaysFever]

Good fight, all around, a pretty good night of fights

[The Ogre]

Although I hated to see Joe Daddy Stevenson lose a fight, Brock owning Couture made it all worthwhile. Fuck the MMA elitists. This was the textbook definition of what an MMa match should be. Better fighter wins the fight. Whether it's because of experience, techinique, or good old fashioned genetics.

[Flea_Man]

Brock has all the tools needed to succeed in MMA, except for the experience. And obviously, that will come with time. And people will mock him for being a former WWE guy, but I think he's going to be taken very, very seriously in the UFC from this point forward. Once he gets more experience under his belt, he might be one of the all-time greats.

I think Lesnar is HUGE money for UFC. The buyrates of this will be through the roof. And he draws such natural (irony to use that term) heat from the crowd and he thrives on it. No one is going to think it's a conspiracy but people will tune in to see where it goes from here. Dana White needs big big names that speak English. I like Silva and GSP, but until they have the look, drawing power, and promo abilities of Lesnar, he's the big name they are going to use. And until he loses, he's the man.

[King Imp]

Since the logical next step would be for Lesnar to face the winner of Nogueira vs Mir, which fight would you rather see? Personally, I'd rather see Nogueira vs Lesnar since we've already seen Brock fight Mir.

[EddieMoscone]

Since the logical next step would be for Lesnar to face the winner of Nogueira vs Mir, which fight would you rather see? Personally, I'd rather see Nogueira vs Lesnar since we've already seen Brock fight Mir.

I'd love to see Brock get another shot at Mir, in hopes on Mir getting his lights put out, but there is no way in hell I can root for that prick Mir to beat Nog.

The Ultimate Fighter has shown me that while Mir may seem fairly intelligent in interviews and when he does commentating, he's really just another meathead at heart.

[FezsAssistant]

The Ultimate Fighter has shown me that while Mir may seem fairly intelligent in interviews and when he does commentating, he's really just another meathead at heart.

Really???? He can barely form a sentence as a commentator. It's so uncomfortable to watch/listen. He might have knowledge, but he's extremely awkward with a mic and can't get the info out.

[Dirtbag]

I was there, the crowd wasn't so much anti-Lesnar as they were just pro-Couture. It was the same type of boos Anderson Silva was getting against Rich Franklin.

The whole night of fights was great, and even the one fight that went to decision was damn good. I'm just heavily annoyed that I was too cowardly to put some money on Brock.

So, when Lesnar becomes the first man to finish Nogueira and legitimately defeat Fedor (PLEASE get this done Dana), will he be the best of all time?

[EddieMoscone]

Really???? He can barely form a sentence as a commentator. It's so uncomfortable to watch/listen. He might have knowledge, but he's extremely awkward with a mic and can't get the info out.

I said he was intelligent, not that he was a great linguist.

[cougarjake13]

great fight

one question i have is after lesnar landed that punch and couture goes down and lesnar pounced on top of him why did the ref let brock hit couture that many times before finally calling it ??

[Epschtein]

since it was a championship fight they want to absolutely make sure there isnt an early stoppage. and randy appeared to be defending himself at first, but it was definitely about to get ugly because randy was out of it when they stopped it.

thats my guess, a champ like randy gets every chance to try and recover as long as he isnt eating huge shots. tho im sure those hammerfists didnt feel too good from a guy as big as brock.

[cougarjake13]

since it was a championship fight they want to absolutely make sure there isnt an early stoppage. and randy appeared to be defending himself at first, but it was definitely about to get ugly because randy was out of it when they stopped it.

thats my guess, a champ like randy gets every chance to try and recover as long as he isnt eating huge shots. tho im sure those hammerfists didnt feel too good from a guy as big as brock.

i was kinda thinking that, bc he didnt seem to be defending himself too well

[spadanko]

My friend works for yardbarker.com and here is a video of him getting choked out by Frank Shamrock

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[Epschtein]

im just about to watch this weeks fight, i hope this john kid wins, he is a goofy dude but you cant help but like him hehe.

[Grendel_Kahn]

I was watching the UFC video blog from that night and you see Randy telling Dana that Brock broke one of his teeth as well. As far as stopping it too soon...........let's be honest. Randy really was not the same since he ate that big elbow. He was rocked then and I don't think he ever really came back from it. As far as those who say( as I have heard both ) it was a too LATE stoppage....well it was a matter of letting a legend try on his own for as long as you safely could. Randy himself said that once he was down he had no answers for Lesnar's weight advantage and sheer size.

[Epschtein]

yeah, that wasnt an early stoppage, randy wasnt complaining and was out of it when they stopped it.

so i just watched TUF, damn i wish that thing went to a 3rd round but i think it was the right call, first round was definitely roop's and in the second john won standing but didnt dominate but roop dominated him when it went to the ground.

good matchups for next week.

[Crippler]

I was one of those who were initially complaining the stoppage came too soon. I thought the hammer fists seemed really fast, but with not a lot of power behind them. Then in watching the replay you could see Randy's head bounce of the mat a few times & I realized it was a good stoppage. Then when they went back into the cage live & you saw Randy try to get up & not be able to, I was sure it was correctly stopped.

As for letting it go too long, like GK said it was a legend who everybody wanted to see recover & continue so he got as much time as was realistically possible.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On a side note...anyone watch the Strikforce fights tonight on HDnet? Scott "Hand of Steel" Smith just delivered a highlight reel knockout of Terry Martin...and Mrs Couture scored her first professionbal victory over a fighter who also 0-1 but wanted no part of the fight once Kim landed her first right hook. Decent fight card especially for free TV. Love HDnet's MMA coverage!

[Dirtbag]

I had no problem with the stoppage, but of course I was rooting for Brock. If you wanna see bad late stoppages watch pretty much any of Sakuraba's losses. The refs give that poor guy way too much time because he's such a hero over there. I was literally yelling at my TV for the ref to pull Melvin Manhoef off the dude at Dream 4.

[Epschtein]

edit - im an idiot, someone just bumped the boxing thread :)

is there a boxing thread?

anyone watching the fights on HBO tonight?

this kid vera is taking a beating, almost time to throw in the towel imo.

hatton is a bit (lol) of a clutcher/brawler but i have always liked him, saw him fight in the boston garden a couple years ago.

[Crippler]

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OK, so let's say you're a wealthy fucker, so much so that you're just looking for interesting ways & good causes to give your money to. Oh, and you're a big fan of MMA. Who do you choose to hang with all weekend & be in the corner of on fight night?

I stole this idea from Sherdog & the name that seemed to come up a lot over there is Matt Serra during his upcoming fight with Matt Hughes.

[RaysFever]

Lesnar lived up to the hype, brought some excitement back to the heavyweight division - which has been lacking as of late, in my opinion.

But, there is a phenominal UFC card coming at the end of the month! Two really big PPV's back to back!

[Dirtbag]

I stole this idea from Sherdog & the name that seemed to come up a lot over there is Matt Serra during his upcoming fight with Matt Hughes.I don't understand all the hate for Hughes over there. Griffin/Bonnar and Hughes/Trigg II are the two fights that got me into MMA and no matter how much of a douchebag the guy may be that'll never change.

As for that auction, I'd probably have to go with Forrest, or maybe Kenny Florian. They seem like they'd probably be the least likely to just completely ignore you.

[NYHCmikeX]

I don't understand all the hate for Hughes over there. Griffin/Bonnar and Hughes/Trigg II are the two fights that got me into MMA and no matter how much of a douchebag the guy may be that'll never change.

As for that auction, I'd probably have to go with Forrest, or maybe Kenny Florian. They seem like they'd probably be the least likely to just completely ignore you.

It's hip to hate Hughes with MMA "insiders". I think it's the exposure he got, like a backlash.

I would want to hang with Rampage. He seems like he would be alot of fun, so long as he doesnt get us in a high speed chase while driving a truck with his picture plastered on the side.

[Dirtbag]

I doubt K-1 needs its own thread, so I'll just post this here.

Remy Bonjasky is a fucking savage.

http://i37.tinypic.com/28t5c5.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/dxg5yx.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/34gvslf.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ivo4eu.jpg

[joeyballsack]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2008/12/33yi88j.gif

Thats pretty gruesome.

[Dirtbag]

Its a shame that's what Fight for the Troops is probably going to be remembered for. It was quite possibly the best free show the UFC's ever put on. Three vicious knockouts and a retard not knowing when to tap.

[Ritalin]

I got Bader and Nover tonight. Bader is too strong for Vinnie to submit, and Nover has too much game.

[cogsdoc]

I got Bader and Nover tonight. Bader is too strong for Vinnie to submit, and Nover has too much game.

Agreed. Though I am a little less sure about Bader winning, his conditioning needs to be much improved

[Dirtbag]

If Escudero wins I'll actually have an answer for the "Most famous grad from your high school" thread. Cain Valesquez grew up in the same town, but he went to one of the rival schools.

[cougarjake13]

so have they determined lesnar's next opponent yet ??

[Dirtbag]

so have they determined lesnar's next opponent yet ??
The winner of Noguiera/Mir. So Noguiera.

And the winner of Noguiera/Lesnar is going to have that belt for a long, long time. Unless Dana signs Fedor.

[Epschtein]

another UFC vet dead, justin eilers killed in domestic disturbance;

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/eilers-shot-dead-15598

RIP

[lleeder]

another UFC vet dead, justin eilers killed in domestic disturbance;

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/eilers-shot-dead-15598

RIP

30yrs old with a gunshot wound to the chest. Thats insane.

[Dirtbag]

Couldn't have looked any worse than his fights against Arlovski and Vera.

[cougarjake13]

another UFC vet dead, justin eilers killed in domestic disturbance;

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/eilers-shot-dead-15598

RIP

30yrs old with a gunshot wound to the chest. Thats insane.

damn what a way to go out