NL Central Discussion

[jauble]

This month they are only home for 9 out of 27 games and at the end of the month they do a 10 game away streak.

They're on the road right now. Just won the first series. They play 23 of their 32 games this month away.

Which one of us cant count?

[K.C.]

How amazing has Edinson Volquez been?


Very Amazing...I saw him last night.


But it'll be a shame when Dusty runs him out for 150 pitches six starts in a row and his shoulder explodes.

He ruined Wood. He ruined Prior. I have to think he came close to ruining Zambrano.

[TheMojoPin]

Which one of us cant count?

Me. From when they started this trip on Monday, 23 of their next 32 games are on the road. I screwed it up by stupidly saying that it was all "this month."

[BlackKen]

Alright. Time for the Astros to fatten up on the Brewers and then shit on the AL East.

[midwestjeff]

Make your runs now, Pujols is down and the Cards will definitely be struggling while he's out. I don't expect a total collapse but it's as bad of an injury as any team can take.

On the bright side, Duncan will likely be called back up. He was tearing up AAA batting a whopping .190 with no homers since getting sent down. So there's that.

[TheMojoPin]

Dude, quit trying to get our hopes up. Duncan will show up and suddenly turn into an insane hitter. Ludwick will keep having his freak year and Ankiel probaby will turn into a beast with the bat again. The Cardinals have consistently turned shit into gold under LaRussa...I'm waiting for them to sign Ponson and watch him dominate.

[midwestjeff]

Dude, quit trying to get our hopes up. Duncan will show up and suddenly turn into an insane hitter. Ludwick will keep having his freak year and Ankiel probaby will turn into a beast with the bat again. The Cardinals have consistently turned shit into gold under LaRussa...I'm waiting for them to sign Ponson and watch him dominate.

Can we have Edmonds back? I always liked it when he filled in at first.

[Knowledged_one]

Dude, quit trying to get our hopes up. Duncan will show up and suddenly turn into an insane hitter. Ludwick will keep having his freak year and Ankiel probaby will turn into a beast with the bat again. The Cardinals have consistently turned shit into gold under LaRussa...I'm waiting for them to sign Ponson and watch him dominate.

Well Trachsel is now available

[midwestjeff]

Well Trachsel is now available

Shhh. God I hope the Cardinals' front office doesn't read this thread.

[epo]

Alright. Time for the Astros to fatten up on the Brewers and then shit on the AL East.

Ohhh....sorry about that. That would be 2 of 3 for the Crew. Have fun playing the AL East!

[epo]

Shhhhh.....don't look behind you Cubbies....but the Brewers are waking up!

[midwestjeff]

Izzy just put up not one, but TWO scoreless innings. Sure it's against the Royals, but it's still something. Now, if he can just hit a couple homers they have this thing locked up. Score some fucking runs already you Pujols-coattail riding pricks! :furious:

[Snoogans]

its pretty sad when a whole division gets lumped into 1 awful thread

[epo]

its pretty sad when a whole division gets lumped into 1 awful thread

I'm sorry....which front runner are you cheering for in this sport?

[cougarjake13]

its pretty sad when a whole division gets lumped into 1 awful thread

sad but true

[Snoogans]

I'm sorry....which front runner are you cheering for in this sport?

yea the giant front running knicks fan that I am

[cougarjake13]

I'm sorry....which front runner are you cheering for in this sport?

so sorry about the no hitter

[epo]

its pretty sad when a whole division gets lumped into 1 awful thread

sad but true

I'm sorry...the last time I checked there was only 2 divisions in all of baseball that had 3 teams over .500, and the NL Central was one of those divisions.

And we didn't need two teams with a combined payroll of $340million to do it either.

Face!

[epo]

so sorry about the no hitter

Are you kidding? The Brewers just got 7 no-hit innings from Dave Bush & an inside-the-park HR from Prince Fielder.

Life is pretty good.

[Snoogans]

I'm sorry...the last time I checked there was only 2 divisions in all of baseball that had 3 teams over .500, and the NL Central was one of those divisions.

And we didn't need two teams with a combined payroll of $340million to do it either.

Face!

yea cause as IL shows, all these AL teams would have awesome records if they were allowed to continue to beat up on AAAA teams that you guys all play against.

And dont act like the cubs and cardinals are small market teams either. Teams over there are spending more now

[epo]

yea cause as IL shows, all these AL teams would have awesome records if they were allowed to continue to beat up on AAAA teams that you guys all play against.

And dont act like the cubs and cardinals are small market teams either. Teams over there are spending more now

It depends upon the stadium for interleague. Games in the AL ballpark favor the AL, games in the NL park favor the NL. That's what history always shows.

The stupid AL team has a wasted spot on some useless DH and the NL uses that roster spot on a utility guy or an extra reliever.

Don't give me some bullshit about the "superiority" of your retarded American League.

[Snoogans]

It depends upon the stadium for interleague. Games in the AL ballpark favor the AL, games in the NL park favor the NL. That's what history always shows.

The stupid AL team has a wasted spot on some useless DH and the NL uses that roster spot on a utility guy or an extra reliever.

Don't give me some bullshit about the "superiority" of your retarded American League.

the teams in the AL are better. period.

[cougarjake13]

the teams in the AL are better. period.

during the steroid era ?? yeh

but over the next coming years we'll see if that holds form

[Snoogans]

during the steroid era ?? yeh

but over the next coming years we'll see if that holds form

Yea but we arent talking about the coming years. And yea, NOBODY in the NL EVER took steroids. That was all AL. Absolutely

And anyway, i only said it cause epo said not to. If i was tryin to make a point I woulda brought some facts. Or is reading it on the internet fact enough?

[epo]

the teams in the AL are better. period.

Make Milton Bradley, David Ortiz, Hideki Matsui, Garrett Anderson, Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, Jose Vidro, Aubrey Huff, Johny Gomes, Joey Gathright, Gary Sheffield, Jason Kubel and Jim Thome all wear a glove. Then make the pitcher hit for himself.

Then and only then can you tell me how great your retarded brand of baseball is.

[Snoogans]

Make Milton Bradley, David Ortiz, Hideki Matsui, Garrett Anderson, Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, Jose Vidro, Aubrey Huff, Johny Gomes, Joey Gathright, Gary Sheffield, Jason Kubel and Jim Thome all wear a glove. Then make the pitcher hit for himself.

Then and only then can you tell me how great your retarded brand of baseball is.

HOW CAN YOU BLIND FUCKS NOT NOTICE ME SAYING THAT IS A GOOF. Jesus fucking christ. And most of those guys do play defense and did it pretty well.

Regardless, this arguement is fuckin stupid. Its been this way for fuckin 36 years. Do I think teams should have a DH, honestly no, I dont. but they do, fuckin deal with it.

[midwestjeff]

Swept by the Royals.
The Royals.
The Kansas City Royals.
Swept.
:wallbash:
Maybe the AL is better after all.

[cougarjake13]

Swept by the Royals.
The Royals.
The Kansas City Royals.
Swept.
:wallbash:
Maybe the AL is better after all.

royals ??? what is this 1985 ???

[midwestjeff]

Hey Tigers broadcasters! Last time I checked the Cardinals were 12 games over .500 and the Tigers were 3 games under. Don't act like it is a fucking miracle that the shitdick Tigers barely pulled out a win last night and imply that they should be destroying the "over-achieving" Cardinals. You are not the favorite in this match up, the preseason predictions don't matter anymore. And never really did, obviously. Alright XM. Enough. Give me the option to listen to either booth. :furious:

[epo]

Hey Tigers broadcasters! Last time I checked the Cardinals were 12 games over .500 and the Tigers were 3 games under. Don't act like it is a fucking miracle that the shitdick Tigers barely pulled out a win last night and imply that they should be destroying the "over-achieving" Cardinals. You are not the favorite in this match up, the preseason predictions don't matter anymore. And never really did, obviously. Alright XM. Enough. Give me the option to listen to either booth. :furious:

I would love having the option of broadcast.

I can't describe the pain of listening to the Braves broadcast yesterday afternoon. I'm shocked I didn't off myself.

[TheMojoPin]

Brewers give up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th to the Diamondbacks (with no outs recorded) to lose 6-5. THAT IS EPIX GET BACK TO THE GODDAMN AL WHERE YOU BELONG-PHAIL. (http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280703129)

http://www.fangraphs.com/lgraphs/280703129_Brewers_Diamondbacks_89287798_lbig.png

I gloat because the Cubs are likely to lose against Lincecum tonight, so this'll make it sting a little less, especially before the potential weekend ass-raping at the hands of those goddamn freak-Cardinals.

[IMSlacker]

Brewers give up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th to the Diamondbacks (with no outs recorded) to lose 6-5. THAT IS EPIX GET BACK TO THE GODDAMN AL WHERE YOU BELONG-PHAIL. (http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280703129)

http://www.fangraphs.com/lgraphs/280703129_Brewers_Diamondbacks_89287798_lbig.png

I gloat because the Cubs are likely to lose against Lincecum tonight, so this'll make it sting a little less, especially before the potential weekend ass-raping at the hands of those goddamn freak-Cardinals.

Johnson and Ramirez are back in the line up today. Maybe the Cubs have a chance.

[TheMojoPin]

Johnson and Ramirez are back in the line up today. Maybe the Cubs have a chance.

You were saying?

4-1 Giants already in the 2nd. Cubs are gonna get massacred.

[IMSlacker]

You were saying?

4-1 Giants already in the 2nd. Cubs are gonna get massacred.

Yeah. So much for wishful thinking.

[jauble]

Brewers fans

http://i36.tinypic.com/339hpjm.jpg

Cubs Fans

http://i38.tinypic.com/jb43ev.jpg

Brewers fans are cowards...hi epo.

[epo]

At least we're not Cardinals fans....

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

[midwestjeff]

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080719&content_id=3154244&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

There is nothing wrong with Mulder. He is just a no-pain-tolerance-having sissy.
Thank god this is his last year under contract. There is an option for next year, but it seems like they are done fucking around with him. I hope.
I predict he will be back with a new team next year and win the Cy Young.
J.D. Drew version 2.0.

[epo]

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080719&content_id=3154244&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

There is nothing wrong with Mulder. He is just a no-pain-tolerance-having sissy.
Thank god this is his last year under contract. There is an option for next year, but it seems like they are done fucking around with him. I hope.
I predict he will be back with a new team next year and win the Cy Young.
J.D. Drew version 2.0.

This rest sounds like the perfect ending to a clusterfuck.

By the way....nothing is pissing me off quite like the Brewers losing to the fucking Giants...while the Padres are beating the Cards. :wallbash:

[midwestjeff]

This rest sounds like the perfect ending to a clusterfuck.

By the way....nothing is pissing me off quite like the Brewers losing to the fucking Giants...while the Padres are beating the Cards. :wallbash:

Don't hold your breath. 4-run 5th for the Cards.
It's now a one run game and Wellemeyer has settled in after a couple bad innings.
I'm not guaranteeing a comeback, but the momentum has shifted.

[epo]

Don't hold your breath. 4-run 5th for the Cards.
It's now a one run game and Wellemeyer has settled in after a couple bad innings.
I'm not guaranteeing a comeback, but the momentum has shifted.

I should be watching that game, but I'm pissed at Fox for blacking out the Brewers game.

[midwestjeff]

I should be watching that game, but I'm pissed at Fox for blacking out the Brewers game.

5-5.
You'd better hope Izzy comes in to blow the game.

Edit-It's 6-5 now, Cards.

[epo]

Nice edit....I saw the Cards took the lead....and so did the Brewers, 5-4.

Now our bullpens can really shit the bed!

[midwestjeff]

Flores-Walk.
Springer-Two singles.
Villone-Pitching with the bases loaded, 1 out.

Wellemeyer only threw 84 pitches. Just 1 hit, 1 walk after the first two innings.
I am pretty sure he could have loaded the bases, why let the bullpen do it?
On the other hand, I'd be pissed if he was still in and getting shelled.

Come on double play ball.

Ok, I'll take a strike out. Now get the third one fuckfaces.

Pheww.

[midwestjeff]

Nice win. Somehow the bullpen held up.
Probably helped that Izzy didn't get in the game.
He did look good the other night, but one game doesn't mean shit.

Alright, flipped to the Brewers game. Go Giants! :drunk:

[midwestjeff]

San Fran's bullpen has given up 23 runs in their last 23 innings.
I guess I shouldn't feel so bad about the Cards' bunch of faildozers.
Obviously, things could be much worse.

[epo]

8-5 at least going into the ninth & Torres is up.

We better win this freaking game!

[midwestjeff]

Alright, fuck the Giants.

Go Astros!

[epo]

Alright, fuck the Giants.

Go Astros!

Finally, something we can agree upon.

[Neckbeard]

This doesn't look to be the Baby Bears' game/series/season/century. I'm gonna go out and get drunk and sweaty with some Wrigley Trixies.

http://sorryigotdrunk.com/images/orton%20and%20sweet%20tits.jpg

[epo]

This doesn't look to be the Baby Bears' game/series/season/century. I'm gonna go out and get drunk and sweaty with some Wrigley Trixies.

http://sorryigotdrunk.com/images/orton%20and%20sweet%20tits.jpg

Thanks Mojo. Brewers get the division, Cardinals the wildcard.

You'll see!

[TheMojoPin]

Fukudome has been dogshit for about 2 months with no signs of getting better. Aramis has stunk for over a month. Lee hasn't hit a HR in a month. Wood is sidelined with the blister. Marmol is iffy at best. The bench is incredibly weak. Still no Soriano.

Yeah, it's a miracle the Cubs are still in first. I'll be stunned if they come home from this road series still on top.

[IMSlacker]

That game was painful to watch. The whole offense is dogshit except for Theriot. Soriano can't come back soon enough. Z didn't look too hot either.

[burrben]

reds are only 10 games back and only 3 games under .500

[TheMojoPin]

That game was painful to watch. The whole offense is dogshit except for Theriot. Soriano can't come back soon enough. Z didn't look too hot either.

He didn't, but he still kept them within striking distance all game. The offense just shit the bed. Their road woes are going to be a big problem. I really think Hendry needs to add a big bat. Go for it all. Milton Bradley, if he becomes available, or hell, Holliday. Shoot for the moon. I think Fukudome needs to work throuigh adjusting to the new league and all the new stadiums and such, but thes Cubs have a huge chance to win it all this year.

[epo]

Brewers add Ray Durham. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3497321) The deal will probably be officially announced after today's Brewers/Giants game.

[IMSlacker]

Ugh. I hate the Padres so much.

[Bossanova]

Brewers add Ray Durham. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3497321) The deal will probably be officially announced after today's Brewers/Giants game.

The Brewers really want to win this year. Any chance they pay for CC next year?

[Kevin]

The Brewers really want to win this year. Any chance they pay for CC next year?

Nay.

[epo]

The Brewers really want to win this year. Any chance they pay for CC next year?

It's pretty obvious that they would like to sign either Sheets or Sabathia...but they are both going to get gigantic deals. At this point the money isn't the issue, it's the length of the contract.

[Bossanova]

I say take the lefty who is two years younger. Maybe Sheets slips to the Mets?

[midwestjeff]

Glaus!!!

[jauble]

I really hope both your teams wear each other out. I dont want an injury but I would like a lot of extra innings.

[epo]

Glaus!!!

Weeks!

[TheMojoPin]

Split the series, please. Cards need to win tonight and tomorrow with Seets and NeedSabathia (RIP The Dugout) closing the series.

[Friday]

I really hope both your teams wear each other out. I dont want an injury but I would like a lot of extra innings.

i will be the bad guy and root for an injury. :bye:

[TheMojoPin]

Hopefully my hardon for Harden continues tonight.

Hmmmmm...Dick Harden vs. Randy "The Big Unit" Johnson tonight.

Bonertastic!

[sarsbusdriver]

Damn - Ankiel always makes that play. But what a throw.

[cougarjake13]

i will be the bad guy and root for an injury. :bye:

didnt work kerry wood is on the dl

[epo]

Split the series, please. Cards need to win tonight and tomorrow with Seets and NeedSabathia (RIP The Dugout) closing the series.

Is that English? Mojo...have you been drinking?

[epo]

didnt work kerry wood is on the dl

It worked fine, thanks. :bye:

[TheMojoPin]

Is that English? Mojo...have you been drinking?

The Dugout (http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/)

[epo]

The Dugout (http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/)

Answer: Yes.

[TheMojoPin]

You never saw that site when it was around?

[cougarjake13]

It worked fine, thanks. :bye:

guess it depends on your perspective

[epo]

Face to you Cardinals and your stupid comebacks!

Let's go D-backs.

[burrben]

coco cordero makes me sad :down:

[epo]

coco cordero makes me sad :down:

Well, Dusty did throw him 4 of the past 5 days. Surprisingly enough, Baker has him on a pace for a new career high in innings.

[jauble]

Well, Dusty did throw him 4 of the past 5 days. Surprisingly enough, Baker has him on a pace for a new career high in innings.

HA!

[Kevin]

Well, Dusty did throw him 4 of the past 5 days. Surprisingly enough, Baker has him on a pace for a new career high in innings.

Shut up.

Next thing you are going to say is that Torre will put Scott Procter on the DL, one of these days.

[Bossanova]

i just want to say how great it was to watch Albert Juicejols fly out in the 9th. Fuck that mothafucker in his fucking asshole

[epo]

Come on Diamondbacks, 1-0 isn't going to get this done!

[Kevin]

i just want to say how great it was to watch Albert Juicejols fly out in the 9th. Fuck that mothafucker in his fucking asshole

Everything is about man sex with you, isn't it.

[Bossanova]

Everything is about man sex with you, isn't it.

How long have you known me?

[IMSlacker]

So, the Astros traded for Randy Wolf. Apparently, Ed Wade feels that the Astros minor league system wasn't quite thin enough as it is.

[epo]

So, the Astros traded for Randy Wolf. Apparently, Ed Wade feels that the Astros minor league system wasn't quite thin enough as it is.

Only 10 out of the wildcard...Randy Wolf alone could make that up!

[epo]

Billy Hall!

Eat the dick Cardinals!

[TheMojoPin]

Fuckin' Cardinals. Hopefully this is when they start to finally slip.

I'll be stunned if the Brewers aren't in first when they play the Cubs in about a week.

[epo]

Fuckin' Cardinals. Hopefully this is when they start to finally slip.

I'll be stunned if the Brewers aren't in first when they play the Cubs in about a week.

I would love to think the Cardinals are gonna slip, but they are so damned fundamentally sound. Offensively, they lead the league in walks and have the least strikeouts. Good defense. I have no idea how their pitching is any good, but give Duncan some credit. Plus they have LaRussa.

Although, they are in a spot in this series, down 0-2 and the Brewers now throw Sabathia & Sheets in the last two games of the set.

[TheMojoPin]

I would love to think the Cardinals are gonna slip, but they are so damned fundamentally sound. Offensively, they lead the league in walks and have the least strikeouts. Good defense. I have no idea how their pitching is any good, but give Duncan some credit. Plus they have LaRussa.

Although, they are in a spot in this series, down 0-2 and the Brewers now throw Sabathia & Sheets in the last two games of the set.

Their for the next month or so is easily their toughest stretch of the year. If they fall, this'll be the time, and a Brewers' sweep of them would be a great way to start that.

[epo]

Their for the next month or so is easily their toughest stretch of the year. If they fall, this'll be the time, and a Brewers' sweep of them would be a great way to start that.

Shhh! I'm watching the D-backs game.

[K.C.]

I would love to think the Cardinals are gonna slip, but they are so damned fundamentally sound. Offensively, they lead the league in walks and have the least strikeouts. Good defense. I have no idea how their pitching is any good, but give Duncan some credit. Plus they have LaRussa.

Although, they are in a spot in this series, down 0-2 and the Brewers now throw Sabathia & Sheets in the last two games of the set.


The Cardinals are one of the most impressive teams (not best by a long shot...but 'impressive') I've seen this year, all things considered.

If they get anything out of Wainwright and Carpenter, they're going to hold strong the rest of the way.

[bobsnin]

At least Coco didn't blow another save.

http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/0/t/f/-/-/keppinger.jpg

[midwestjeff]

The Cardinals are one of the most impressive teams (not best by a long shot...but 'impressive') I've seen this year, all things considered.

If they get anything out of Wainwright and Carpenter, they're going to hold strong the rest of the way.

I like what you're saying here, but unless Carp and Wainwright are going to pitch out of the bullpen, which as of now they aren't, then the 8th and 9th innings will continue to be a giant shitfest. I don't know, maybe one of them will end up relieving for the rest of the year. God knows no one else is going to get three outs in the 9th.

[K.C.]

I like what you're saying here, but unless Carp and Wainwright are going to pitch out of the bullpen, which as of now they aren't, then the 8th and 9th innings will continue to be a giant shitfest. I don't know, maybe one of them will end up relieving for the rest of the year. God knows no one else is going to get three outs in the 9th.

You'd think they'll pick up an arm before the deadline.

There's a lot of bullpen arms on the block this year.

[epo]

You'd think they'll pick up an arm before the deadline.

There's a lot of bullpen arms on the block this year.

Legit question: Do the Cardinals have anything to deal other than Colby Rasmus?

[K.C.]

Legit question: Do the Cardinals have anything to deal other than Colby Rasmus?

I would think Anthony Reyes still has some trade value. But other than that, I'm not sure.

Still, i would think you can grab a guy like Grabow from Pittsburgh, or Mahay from Kansas City for some B or C level prospects.

They're not going to close, but either could be solid at the back-end of a bullpen.


Actually, moving Wainwright to the bullpen when he comes back wouldn't be the worst idea. That, or throw Looper back there. He was an ok closer once upon a time.

[burrben]

the reds are only 10 games back and 4 games under .500

[midwestjeff]

Time to bounce back. :clap:

[midwestjeff]

Watch your lead, Weeks!

hahahahaha

[epo]

This home plate ump should be reprimanded.

A. Makes a horrible call on Fielder for a called third strike.
B. Yost takes 3 steps out of the dugout to question the call and gets rung.
C. Yost argues and get separated by the 3rd base ump...and the home plate ump follows.

B is completely unacceptable. C is ridiculous.

[epo]

Bravo Cards...it only took you 5.2 innings to get a hit!

[TheMojoPin]

Welcome to 1st place, Brewers.

[epo]

Wow. Sabathia was brilliant tonight, throwing a 3-hit shutout at Busch on only 106 pitches. He has been nothing short of fucking awesome...4-0 since coming over with 3 complete games and a 1.36 ERA.

[Kevin]

Did you guys know that the Cubs have a + 102 runs scored to runs allowed differential. To Brewers 34? And only are a half game in front?

[epo]

Did you know that since May 19th the Milwaukee Brewers have the best record in baseball at 38-19?

Also the rotation for Milwaukee next week against the Cubs goes as follows: Sabathia, Sheets, Parra and Suppan.

[Kevin]

Did you know that since May 19th the Milwaukee Brewers have the best record in baseball at 38-10?

Also the rotation for Milwaukee next week against the Cubs goes as follows: Sabathia, Sheets, Parra and Suppan.

No..

I watch ESPN..

Milwaukee who??

[Kevin]

Did you mean the Green Bay Packers?

[epo]

Did you mean the Green Bay Packers?

No, I'm pretty sure the Brewers are trying to trade Favre for an extra bullpen arm.

[Kevin]

No, I'm pretty sure the Brewers are trying to trade Favre for an extra bullpen arm.

Yea, he throws hard but can't really control where its going.

[epo]

Yea, he throws hard but can't really control where its going.

I offered him to Gvac for Coco Cordero, but he didn't want the deal. That sombitch!

[Kevin]

I offered him to Gvac for Coco Cordero, but he didn't want the deal. That sombitch!

Well, i heard the real reason behind it was that Favre saw that he was gunna go to Dusty and called Gvac with the Brewers cellphone and threatened to retire.

[TheMojoPin]

Did you guys know that the Cubs have a + 102 runs scored to runs allowed differential. To Brewers 34? And only are a half game in front?

The Cubs are going to, ironically, blow it this year due to the same reasons the Brewers blew it last year...horrible on the road and the bullpen going to shit.

[epo]

The Cubs are going to, ironically, blow it this year due to the same reasons the Brewers blew it last year...horrible on the road and the bullpen going to shit.

Meanwhile the Brewers are 1 game over on the road and have a very well-rested bullpen at the moment thanks to their rotation.

[jauble]

Meanwhile the Brewers are 1 game over on the road and have a very well-rested bullpen at the moment thanks to their rotation.

Don't get cocky

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2010/han20solo20blasterbi0.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Meanwhile the Brewers are 1 game over on the road and have a very well-rested bullpen at the moment thanks to their rotation.

Dude, all I keep doing is talking about why the Brewers are going to win it. You don't need to convince me.

[epo]

Don't get cocky



Let's go D-backs!

[epo]

Ryan Braun!

[bobsnin]

Milwaukee 58 43 .574 -
St. Louis 57 46 .553 2.0
Philadelphia 54 48 .529 4.5
Florida 53 48 .525 5.0
Cincinnati 50 53 .485 9.0
LA Dodgers 49 52 .485 9.0

The reds are in the wild card chase!

[IMSlacker]

Come on Cardinals. We need extra innings!

edit: booooooo!

[epo]

Milwaukee 58 43 .574 -
St. Louis 57 46 .553 2.0
Philadelphia 54 48 .529 4.5
Florida 53 48 .525 5.0
Cincinnati 50 53 .485 9.0
LA Dodgers 49 52 .485 9.0

The reds are in the wild card chase!

No they aren't.

[ADF]

You're insane if you think the Brewers are going to capture the division. Cubs take it easily with a win total in the low 90s.

Alright, maybe I was a bit overreaching when I said "insane," but I still feel that the Cubs will be the eventual division champs by at least two to three games with Milwaukee taking the wild card (unless Ben Sheets goes down).

[bobsnin]

No they aren't.

Come on, I need something to be excited about. I will say, I route for the crew because I hate in this order, the cards, cubs, astros, not the pirates.

[TheMojoPin]

Come on, I need something to be excited about. I will say, I route for the crew because I hate in this order, the cards, cubs, astros, not the pirates.

What team are you a fan of?

[jauble]

What team are you a fan of?

cmon mojo you know bobsnin is a reds fan

or is this sarcasm

I suck

edit: there was no edit there I was just typing as I thought

[TheMojoPin]

cmon mojo you know bobsnin is a reds fan

or is this sarcasm

I suck

edit: there was no edit there I was just typing as I thought

Nah, I missed that he didn't mention the Reds. I thought he basically listed all Central teams as ones he hated, but like he wasn't actually a fan of the Brewers.

[jauble]

Nah, I missed that he didn't mention the Reds. I thought he basically listed all Central teams as ones he hated, but like he wasn't actually a fan of the Brewers.

Well he is from ohio (Same town I lived in for university) and we have been to the same bars that I used to go to when I was at school there so we have chatted about baseball and Ohio.

[TheMojoPin]

OK, now it makes sense. I was looking that he was in Florida and hating all the Central teams and it seemed weird.

[Kevin]

Well he is from ohio (Same town I lived in for university) and we have been to the same bars that I used to go to when I was at school there so we have chatted about baseball and Ohio.

What are you, British?

[jauble]

What are you, British?

It wasnt called Wittenberg college you plebian.

[midwestjeff]

Well, fuck me, right in the ass. LaRussa won't blame the bullpen and he has a point, but for fuck's sake, four fucking games lost like that? Jocketty wouldn't have let this happen. Fucking management has a hard on for the ballpark village that just got approved but doesn't give a fuck about what actually happens in the ballpark, on the field. Oh, in three years this village will be generating revenue that will allow us to increase payroll. Really? Last I heard the new stadium was going to do the same fucking thing. Where is that money? It's not being spent on players. Fuck you and your rebuilding bullshit. This team has every shot to win the division but since you deep butts decided in the offseason to be cheap fucking assholes it isn't going to happen. Let's sit back and wait. Yeah, fuck you. Low rent mother fuckers. Seriously, where is the money from the new stadium? Glaus? No. Izturis? No. Lohse? No. There are glaring holes in the team. Fill them. Don't let the other franchises make you look like shitfaces. The Cardinals' tradition does not deserve to be shit on for the sake of future revenue.
If you read this whole post, you're an asshole. Can't you see that I am hurting here?
Just ignore it. Tomorrow is a new day. :smile:

[IMSlacker]

I think the Padres left some of their "Padreness" behind when they left St. Louis.

[epo]

I'm on my way to Miller Park right now....to claim first place.

[midwestjeff]

I'm on my way to Miller Park right now....to claim first place.

I'm just glad the fucking Brewers are out of St. Louis
and only play two more games against them.
Time to beat up on the NL East and right the ship.
Damn, well played Brewers.

[Towelie]

Time to beat up on the NL East and right the ship.

Well you're going to lose at least 2 of 3 to the Mets

But after that, feel free to beat up on the rest of the division.

[IMSlacker]

I'm on my way to Miller Park right now....to claim first place.

Don't you mean "Wrigley North"?

[epo]

They'll come back. You'll see!

[bobsnin]

What team are you a fan of?

I'm a Reds fan. The only reason I'm routing for the Brewers is my best friend is a huge Cubs fan and I just need something to give him shit about. If the cubbies made it to the series, I would definitely pull for them.

[IMSlacker]

Thank you, Astros.

[epo]

They'll win tomorrow, You'll see!!

[TheMojoPin]

Merciful stay of execution on a day the Cubs' bats inexcusably shit the bed at home in the wake of yet another fantastic start. That's the real crime of all these post-ASG losses...the starting pitching has been fantastic. I think all quality starts except one.

[burrben]

stupid reds, always losing

[TheMojoPin]

Brewers and Cubs tied for the top spot.

Brewers likely to be leading be at least 3 games by week's end.

Let's go, football.

[Kevin]

Brewers and Cubs tied for the top spot.

Brewers likely to be leading b at least 3 games by week's end.

Let's go, football.

Rex Grossman..

[TheMojoPin]

Rex Grossman..

Countered by Neckbeard.

[Kevin]

Countered by Neckbeard.

Don't fuck with Neckbeard.

He rules.

[epo]

Brewers and Cubs tied for the top spot.

Brewers likely to be leading b at least 3 games by week's end.

Let's go, football.

I like your attitude!

[TheMojoPin]

I like your attitude!

It's just being realistic. It's the situation in the first half reversed...the Cubs offense is shitting the bed and the Brewers are on a huge tear and neither with any sign of stopping their slide/rise. The Brewers are just doing it at the right time.

[epo]

What the fuck is wrong with you Rickie Weeks?

[IMSlacker]

Well, this lead will be short lived. Watch Bob Howry work his magic.

[IMSlacker]

Fuck you, Howry.

[epo]

God bless Russell Branyan.

[IMSlacker]

Wow. What a finish. I thought Kapler had that one.

[jauble]

so when can we expect epo to fuck that horse he rode in on? Oh wait there are still 3 more games...I'll stop talking now.

[burrben]

the reds are killing me.

but adam dunn is still my god. two grannies in a week.

[epo]

Motherfucker!

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not gloating. This series still scares me. Including the next 3 games, these teams hae 9 more games this year. Anything can happen.

[midwestjeff]

Cards won big tonight, just sayin'.

[TheMojoPin]

Cards won big tonight, just sayin'.

Please tell me nobody with any sanity thinks Carpenter pitching on Wedensday is a good idea.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, I'm finally seeing and hearing clips from the game tonight...that place was jumping and loud as hell.

[midwestjeff]

Please tell me nobody with any sanity thinks Carpenter pitching on Wedensday is a good idea.

He's had a year to recover.
His rehab sessions went well.
He is throwing at full strength without pain.
If he doesn't pitch now, when should he?

[TheMojoPin]

He's had a year to recover.

From TJS. This is still considered pretty early for coming back from something like that.

He's had two rehab stints and he threw a ton of balls in both (essentially half of his 61 pitches in the first and in the 30's again out of just about 70 pitched in the 2nd) which doesn't bode well for a guy who relies so heavily on his control and can't go deep in a game.

[Kevin]

Sorry EPO, but everything Milwakee came up small this series. The fans allowing it to be a lot of Cub fans. Sabathia who i told you comes up small in big spots, and the team losing 3 at home to the Cubs. Cubbies showed they are the better team.

[epo]

Bad series all the way around. First they've lost the first three....and the Cubs fans act like soccer punks and beat a Brewer fan into the hospital! (http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/30/2008&id=44034)

[TheMojoPin]

Bad series all the way around. First they've lost the first three....and the Cubs fans act like soccer punks and beat a Brewer fan into the hospital! (http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/30/2008&id=44034)

Three men from the Chicago area - ages 25, 26 and 34 - will be spending a little more time in Wisconsin today after being taken into custody on allegations of substantial battery in the beating of a 24-year-old West Allis man after Tuesday night's Milwaukee Brewers-Chicago Cubs game at Miller Park.

According to police, the West Allis man threw a beer can at a bus full of Cubs fans, three of whom left the bus about 10:40 p.m. while it was stuck in traffic near the stadium.

Dude shouldn't start some shit.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm still not counting the Brewers out of anything. Even if they get swept, they're just 5 back with several weeks to go and 6 games left to play against the Cubs.

epo, have the Brewers been this sloppy defensively all year? I remember that being an issue with them last year, too.

[epo]

Dude shouldn't start some shit.

There is about 10 versions of this story floating around Milwaukee right now. Here is the version from WISN (http://www.wisn.com/news/17037746/detail.html):

Milwaukee police said the 24-year-old Brewers fan threw a bag of trash at a bus full of Cubs fans in a Miller Park parking lot following the game. The man was allegedly being taunted by the fans on the bus.

The suspects include one man from Joliet, Ill., and two men from Downers Grove, Ill.

A 34-year-old male suspect was arrested and was cited for disorderly conduct, assault and battery (for allegedly punching his sister during the incident), resisting arrest, and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Police said all men involved were intoxicated.

Joliet acting like trash? Hmm.......

[TheMojoPin]

Joliet acting like trash? Hmm.......

http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~nutt/Images/JakeBlues.JPG

[IMSlacker]

Bad series all the way around. First they've lost the first three....and the Cubs fans act like soccer punks and beat a Brewer fan into the hospital! (http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/30/2008&id=44034)

The guy's lucky the Cubs fans didn't kick his eye out (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-sox-fight-web-updatejul30,1,1573135.story).

I'm starting to really dislike some of my fellow Cubs fans.

[epo]

epo, have the Brewers been this sloppy defensively all year? I remember that being an issue with them last year, too.

No they've been pretty solid defensively actually. They are just acting like nervous little kids this whole series. Actually they've played very tight ever since they got home from that 7-0 road trip.

:wallbash:

[K.C.]

Please!

Cubs fans vs. Brewers fans?? That has all the viciousness of Hannah Montana fans vs. High School Musical fans.

[jauble]

Please!

Cubs fans vs. Brewers fans?? That has all the viciousness of Hannah Montana fans vs. High School Musical fans.

Ok guys lets jump this queer...oh wait is that beer? and a polish sausage? ...you got lucky KC you found our kryptonite.

[Ritalin]

Dear Epo,

I found this picture on the internets and I thought you might like it.

Ritalin

http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/broom_big.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Dear Epo,

I found this picture on the internets and I thought you might like it.

Ritalin

http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/broom_big.jpg

Great, kid...don't get cocky.

[midwestjeff]

hahahahaha

Fielder and Parra fighting in the dugout!

[epo]

hahahahaha

Fielder and Parra fighting in the dugout!

Parra owes that bench a favor for saving his life.

[Tallman388]

Parra owes that bench a favor for saving his life.

That's assuming Prince didn't get winded going for his next shove. I guess they weren't trading recipes for Veggie Chili.

[cougarjake13]

bring back Jim Gantner and Ben Oglivie

[midwestjeff]

Carpenter is cruising.

5IP, 51 pitches(33 strikes), 3H, 0BB, 2K's.

And the best part is his return didn't cost them any prospects or money.

They need to score now before the rain comes.
FUCK!!!!
Runners on the corners and the Umps call time.

[cougarjake13]

Carpenter is cruising.

5IP, 51 pitches(33 strikes), 3H, 0BB, 2K's.

And the best part is his return didn't cost them any prospects or money.

They need to score now before the rain comes.
FUCK!!!!
Runners on the corners and the Umps call time.


he'll blow his arm out again . no worries

[midwestjeff]

he'll blow his arm out again . no worries

Just let me have my moment please.

[midwestjeff]

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080806&content_id=3261749&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

I think the logic behind this is that it will free up Aaron Miles to pitch more innings.

Who needs a Harden or Sabathia when you can have a shitdick utility player? Excellent.

Meh, at least they're trying.

[PhishHead]

There are baseball teams in the midwest??

Do Midwesterners even know what a baseball looks like?

[epo]

There are baseball teams in the midwest??

Do Midwesterners even know what a baseball looks like?

The question should be, does the rest of the nation know what baseball looks like! As the Midwest has the top three records in the National League.

Oh the pride of the New Jersey Whatevers! Aren't they good this year!

[PhishHead]

The question should be, does the rest of the nation know what baseball looks like! As the Midwest has the top three records in the National League.

Oh the pride of the New Jersey Whatevers! Aren't they good this year!

NL is that even real baseball?

[midwestjeff]

NL is that even real baseball?

You'd love it the most Phishy.
The pitchers actually get to bat and everything.
So much strategy and excitement.
It's the best.

[cougarjake13]

Just let me have my moment please.

you had yours in 06

[cougarjake13]

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080806&content_id=3261749&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

I think the logic behind this is that it will free up Aaron Miles to pitch more innings.

Who needs a Harden or Sabathia when you can have a shitdick utility player? Excellent.

Meh, at least they're trying.



your deal was carpenter coming back

[midwestjeff]

Fuck you Manny!!!

This is Albert's league!!!


Motherfucker is gonna hit for the cycle.


Edit*- Back to back!!!

[bobsnin]

You guys don't know what you're missing. I just went to the single-A vero beach devil rays game. Baseball at it's truest form. And it was leftover 2006 Tampa Bay Devil Rays figurine night. I got a Rocco Baldelli figurine.

[midwestjeff]

I hope some of you fools are listening to the Cards' XM broadcast.

First of all, LaRussa is brilliant.
Secondly, Mike Shannon is brilliant.
And, in closing, I know no one is listening.

[Kevin]

I hope some of you fools are listening to the Cards' XM broadcast.

First of all, LaRussa is brilliant.
Secondly, Mike Shannon is brilliant.
And, in closing, I know no one is listening.

You lost me at Cardinals.

[midwestjeff]

NL is that even real baseball?

you had yours in 06

You guys don't know what you're missing. I just went to the single-A vero beach devil rays game. Baseball at it's truest form. And it was leftover 2006 Tampa Bay Devil Rays figurine night. I got a Rocco Baldelli figurine.

You lost me at Cardinals.

GET OUT!!!!!!!

[epo]

CC Sabathia wins again tonight, throwing a 5-hit shutout. Since coming over, he is 6-0 with a 1.57 ERA in 7 starts with 4 complete games.

Serious question, could he win the CY Young in the NL?

[midwestjeff]

CC Sabathia wins again tonight, throwing a 5-hit shutout. Since coming over, he is 6-0 with a 1.57 ERA in 7 starts with 4 complete games.

Serious question, could he win the CY Young in the NL?

I'm going to say no, though he may deserve it.
No bias in my statement.
Just thinking the voting people won't give him his due.
What fucks with me is how he can pitch so deep into a game consistently and no one else in baseball can string together a couple CG's. It's unreal.

[epo]

I'm going to say no, though he may deserve it.
No bias in my statement.
Just thinking the voting people won't give him his due.
What fucks with me is how he can pitch so deep into a game consistently and no one else in baseball can string together a couple CG's. It's unreal.

Seriously, he's worth every penny that he gets in the off-season. Tonight he only threw 103 pitches while striking out 9.

He'll be the difference to them into getting into the postseason. (No offense to Felipe Lopez.)

[midwestjeff]

Seriously, he's worth every penny that he gets in the off-season. Tonight he only threw 103 pitches while striking out 9.

He'll be the difference to them into getting into the postseason. (No offense to Felipe Lopez.)

Well, Felipe is the difference in the Cards making the postseason, so I will see you there.
But really, it doesn't make sense that he is so much better than anyone else. If he were a Cardinal, Mojo would accuse him of doping.

[epo]

Well, Felipe is the difference in the Cards making the postseason, so I will see you there.
But really, it doesn't make sense that he is so much better than anyone else. If he were a Cardinal, Mojo would accuse him of doping.

I'm not sure why a 6'7", 300+ lb pitcher would dope, but sure.

People just need to get over their fantasy baseball numbers about the Cardinals. They are a good team that plays very fundamental baseball. Their hitters have high walk counts, low strikeout totals. Their fielding is solid and those outfield arms are impressive. And as much as people hate to say it, LaRussa is a smart prick.

[bobsnin]

Well, Felipe is the difference in the Cards making the postseason, so I will see you there.
But really, it doesn't make sense that he is so much better than anyone else. If he were a Cardinal, Mojo would accuse him of doping.

Felipe=Error waiting to happen. There's a reason the reds traded him and the NATIONALS! released him. Any of Jim Bowden cast offs are bad news.

[midwestjeff]

LaRussa is a smart prick.

If there is a mod in heaven.......

You're right though, Mojo would never say something so stupid. I just wanted to take a shot at him while I knew he was busy fucking dolphins on the NC shore and couldn't reply with his stats and logic.

[epo]

If there is a mod in heaven.......

You're right though, Mojo would never say something so stupid. I just wanted to take a shot at him while I knew he was busy fucking dolphins on the NC shore and couldn't reply with his stats and logic.

I guess the thing that drives me nuts about the Cardinals/Brewers vs. the Cubs is the player development angle.

Seriously, outside of Carlos Marmol, Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano or Geovanny Soto...who in the fuck didn't that organization steal or buy?

[IMSlacker]

Seriously, outside of Carlos Marmol, Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano or Geovanny Soto...who in the fuck didn't that organization steal or buy?

Ryan Theriot, Ronny Cedeno, Sean Marshall and Jeff Samardzija. Why does that matter?

[Kevin]

Ryan Theriot, Ronny Cedeno, Sean Marshall and Jeff Samardzija. Why does that matter?

He is trying out his new role of Midwest Spoon

[Ritalin]

Ryan Theriot, Ronny Cedeno, Sean Marshall and Jeff Samardzija. Why does that matter?

Please, can you lose that avatar now?

Looking at it is like chewing tin foil.

[IMSlacker]

Please, can you lose that avatar now?

Looking at it is like chewing tin foil.

Yeah. I just haven't found a new one yet.

edit: OK, new avatar is up now.

[ozzie]

CC Sabathia wins again tonight, throwing a 5-hit shutout. Since coming over, he is 6-0 with a 1.57 ERA in 7 starts with 4 complete games.

Serious question, could he win the CY Young in the NL?

Why not? Sutcliffe did. Although his trade was slightly earlier in the season, but similar results.

http://a156.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_8f7a4eb8ee39c1ac468c8f52dac43e43.jpg

[epo]

Why not? Sutcliffe did. Although his trade was slightly earlier in the season, but similar results.

http://a156.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_8f7a4eb8ee39c1ac468c8f52dac43e43.jpg

By a rough estimate he should have 9 more starts left. There is no reason the writers should judge him as "not enough" for this stretch.

[IMSlacker]

By a rough estimate he should have 9 more starts left. There is no reason the writers should judge him as "not enough" for this stretch.

They'll probably hold his bad start of the season against him. Also, Brandon Webb will likely end up with 21 or 22 wins, and even though they should hold the awfulness of the NL West against him, they wont.

[epo]

The NL Central continues its dominance over the National League:

Chicago 70-47
Milwaukee 66-51
St Louis 65-54
Philadelphia 63-53

Let's face it outside of the NL Central, the rest of the National League is a joke.

[cougarjake13]

The NL Central continues its dominance over the National League:

Chicago 70-47
Milwaukee 66-51
St Louis 65-54
Philadelphia 63-53

Let's face it outside of the NL Central, the rest of the National League is a joke.



with the mets only one game behind philly why didnt you include them ??

and last i checked philly wasnt in the central

but yeh the west is just a joke but the phils, mets, and marlins arent that far behind

[epo]

with the mets only one game behind philly why didnt you include them ??

and last i checked philly wasnt in the central

but yeh the west is just a joke but the phils, mets, and marlins arent that far behind

My point was to illustrate that the top 3 records in the Central are better than the rest of the NL. If my slighting of the Mets is hurtful, then that's too bad.

[cougarjake13]

My point was to illustrate that the top 3 records in the Central are better than the rest of the NL. If my slighting of the Mets is hurtful, then that's too bad.

oh its not hurtful ... the mets suck ass


but you said the central is better then anyone else but then included philly without the disclaimer of that it was to compare

a simple miscommunication

[epo]

oh its not hurtful ... the mets suck ass


but you said the central is better then anyone else but then included philly without the disclaimer of that it was to compare

a simple miscommunication

Fair enough.

[midwestjeff]

Jesus Christ. Worst sixth inning ever.

Gigantic collapse. :flush:


Carp left with a tricep strain. Could be a lot worse.
Or maybe they just aren't being honest yet.

[jauble]

Jesus Christ. Worst sixth inning ever.

Gigantic collapse. :flush:


Carp left with a tricep strain. Could be a lot worse.
Or maybe they just aren't being honest yet.

Im going to FWD this post onto mojo with the subject heading" RE: you called it and I will blind cc it back to you jeff so he doesnt know.

[midwestjeff]

Im going to FWD this post onto mojo with the subject heading" RE: you called it and I will blind cc it back to you jeff so he doesnt know.

Technically he thought it was a bad idea three starts ago, not tonight, so he didn't really call it. Aw fuck. Who am I kidding? Damn Mojo and logic. :wallbash:

[epo]

Seeing Carpenter hurt has convinced me that the Brewers should shut Yovani Gallardo down for the year.

[IMSlacker]

Seeing Carpenter hurt has convinced me that the Brewers should shut Yovani Gallardo down for the year.

I wonder if it will affect the Cardinals plans for Wainwright.

[jauble]

Seeing Carpenter hurt has convinced me that the Brewers should shut Yovani Gallardo down for the year.


http://www.mugdish.com/images/boxing/ivan-drago.jpg

We will break you(r pitchers slowly NL Central)

[spadanko]

Hey Cards fans, is Perez now your closer? or is it still sorta izzy?

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if it will affect the Cardinals plans for Wainwright.

i think i heard on espn radio that hes going to the minors to get ready to go back in the bullpen

[IMSlacker]

i think i heard on espn radio that hes going to the minors to get ready to go back in the bullpen

Yeah, I had heard the same thing. They were wanting to use him in the bullpen since they felt like their rotation was set, and the bullpen needed help. I'm wondering if Carpenter getting hurt again will change their minds about that.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, I had heard the same thing. They were wanting to use him in the bullpen since they felt like their rotation was set, and the bullpen needed help. I'm wondering if Carpenter getting hurt again will change their minds about that.

prob not they said carps may only miss the one start

[TheMojoPin]

epo, seriously...how do you not hate Ned Yost? Granted, the Brewers pen is pretty assy and you guys likely won't have him back next year, but leaving Sabathia in for the good ol' classic 11-hit, 129-pitch, 9-2 blowout CG?

Even Dusty Baker points and laughs at that.

[epo]

epo, seriously...how do you not hate Ned Yost? Granted, the Brewers pen is pretty assy and you guys likely won't have him back next year, but leaving Sabathia in for the good ol' classic 11-hit, 129-pitch, 9-2 blowout CG?

Even Dusty Baker points and laughs at that.

You might wanna notice that there are different rules with Sabathia than there are with the rest of the staff.

Why?

They aren't going to sign Sabathia! USE his ass before he gets that free agent contract.

[TheMojoPin]

You might wanna notice that there are different rules with Sabathia than there are with the rest of the staff.

Why?

They aren't going to sign Sabathia! USE his ass before he gets that free agent contract.

But presumably you're USING him to get to the playoffs...a month and a half away. And presumably you want there to be a good chance of him being effective in the playoffs. Pitchers and catchers tend to burn out more than anyone else towards the end, and it's looking more and more like the Brewers are going to be battling until the finish to make the playoffs. Wouldn't it make sense to try and give some extra rest to a pitcher who has obviously helped this team immensely since being acquired and is going to need to be a big part of making that playoff push? After 6 innings today, the Brewers never had less than a 5-run lead, yet Sabathia stays in the whole thing to throw 130 pitches. That's ridiciulous. He doesn't need to pitch CG's more often than not. The bullpen is iffy at times, but it's not that bad.

I'll keep saying it...outside of the limited payroll, Yost is the biggest fucking anchor dragging down a really talented young team, especially when it comes to the pitching.

[Kevin]

But presumably you're USING him to get to the playoffs...a month and a half away. And presumably you want there to be a good chance of him being effective in the playoffs. Pitchers and catchers tend to burn out more than anyone else towards the end, and it's looking more and more like the Brewers are going to be battling until the finish to make the playoffs. Wouldn't it make sense to try and give some extra rest to a pitcher who has obviously helped this team immensely since being acquired and is going to need to be a big part of making that playoff push? After 6 innings today, the Brewers never had less than a 5-run lead, yet Sabathia stays in the whole thing to throw 130 pitches. That's ridiciulous. He doesn't need to pitch CG's more often than not. The bullpen is iffy at times, but it's not that bad.

I'll keep saying it...outside of the limited payroll, Yost is the biggest fucking anchor dragging down a really talented young team, especially when it comes to the pitching.

Same thing happened last year.. Tribe rode him to the playoffs, then he had nothing when he got there. Pitched bad twice vs the Yankees, then got bombed by Bos.

[TheMojoPin]

Same thing happened last year.. Tribe rode him to the playoffs, then he had nothing when he got there. Pitched bad twice vs the Yankees, then got bombed by Bos.

I'm wary it's already happening with Zambrano. A ton of long starts again this year in the 120-130 range and his last 2 starts he's looking pretty rough.

[Kevin]

I'm wary it's already happening with Zambrano. A ton of long starts again this year in the 120-130 range and his last 2 starts he's looking pretty rough.

Yea, something like 7 and 5 runs?

You just better hope you clinch relatively early so you can tone him down.

[epo]

But presumably you're USING him to get to the playoffs...a month and a half away. And presumably you want there to be a good chance of him being effective in the playoffs. Pitchers and catchers tend to burn out more than anyone else towards the end, and it's looking more and more like the Brewers are going to be battling until the finish to make the playoffs. Wouldn't it make sense to try and give some extra rest to a pitcher who has obviously helped this team immensely since being acquired and is going to need to be a big part of making that playoff push? After 6 innings today, the Brewers never had less than a 5-run lead, yet Sabathia stays in the whole thing to throw 130 pitches. That's ridiciulous. He doesn't need to pitch CG's more often than not. The bullpen is iffy at times, but it's not that bad.

I'll keep saying it...outside of the limited payroll, Yost is the biggest fucking anchor dragging down a really talented young team, especially when it comes to the pitching.

Mind you, that you are pushing the "130" number out of context. Sabathia got into the ninth with about a 105-pitch count.

So he gets into "trouble" with an easy 7-run lead and nobody up in the pen for good reason this is Yost's fault? This is a pitcher that has a track record of 120 pitch counts working for the best and him talking about how he "likes them".

At the end of the day, I'll say this, you worry about Lou, I'll worry about Ned.

[TheMojoPin]

Mind you, that you are pushing the "130" number out of context. Sabathia got into the ninth with about a 105-pitch count.

So he gets into "trouble" with an easy 7-run lead and nobody up in the pen for good reason this is Yost's fault? This is a pitcher that has a track record of 120 pitch counts working for the best and him talking about how he "likes them".

At the end of the day, I'll say this, you worry about Lou, I'll worry about Ned.

Every pitcher thinks they can keep going, often even when they're in obvious pain or discomfort, especially the "horse" pitchers like Zambrano and Sabathia. It's a manager's job to reign that in and keep these guys potent down the stretch. Pitching Sabathia past the 7th inning last night can't really be spun as anything but pointless and rather dumb.

Yost is burning his players trying to save his job.

[epo]

Every pitcher thinks they can keep going, often even when they're in obvious pain or discomfort, especially the "horse" pitchers like Zambrano and Sabathia. It's a manager's job to reign that in and keep these guys potent down the stretch. Pitching Sabathia past the 7th inning last night can't really be spun as anything but pointless and rather dumb.

Yost is burning his players trying to save his job.

Which explains his extreme caution with Ryan Braun and his rib cage/lower back injury.

[TheMojoPin]

Which explains his extreme caution with Ryan Braun and his rib cage/lower back injury.

Didn't he just tweek it again?

Obviously, he's going hogwild with Sheets and CC since they almost certainly won't be back, but I think Yost is just playing to get to the playoffs more than anything else in the hopes that that's enough to keep his job. Obviously, winning it all would be preferred, but he's making such blatantly dumb decisions with his big pitchers when playing it conservatively at times would be the better call for the long run that it seems like he's hoping stumling across the finish line in September would be just enough...then, if the Brewers tank, it can just be blamed on two guys who were out of there anyways and Yost is safe to butcher for at least another year.

In all, I guess I'm rooting for him, since I think he's the biggest thing holding the Brewers back right now. GO YOST!

[K.C.]

The Pirates are beyond horrible.

Bases loaded, nobody out in extra innings against the Brewers, and they go pop out, strike out, ground out.

Ugh.

[epo]

The Pirates are beyond horrible.

Bases loaded, nobody out in extra innings against the Brewers, and they go pop out, strike out, ground out.

Ugh.

Brewers win! Brewers win!

[TheMojoPin]

The Pirates are beyond horrible.

Bases loaded, nobody out in extra innings against the Brewers, and they go pop out, strike out, ground out.

Ugh.

Wow, Pirates stink.

Don't fret. Contrary to the final result today, this game just highlights the bullpen problems the Brewers have. Another thing to notice is that the Brewers have ended up winning a very large number of 1-run games this year. Statistically (ew, cooties!), however, teams that tend to end up in a ton of 1-run decisions actually end up having that being detrimental in the long run. You can, yes, chalk up the Brewers winning two dozen 1-run games to a good amount of luck...luck is huge in the small series, but with 30 games left to go, luck tends to not be enough.

[epo]

Let's kill those Cardinals tonight & tomorrow and finally finish the birds!

[epo]

Are the birds dead yet?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w187/yagermeister_2008/DeadCardinal.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Are the birds dead yet?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w187/yagermeister_2008/DeadCardinal.jpg



not yet

[johnniewalker]

Didn't he just tweek it again?

Obviously, he's going hogwild with Sheets and CC since they almost certainly won't be back, but I think Yost is just playing to get to the playoffs more than anything else in the hopes that that's enough to keep his job. Obviously, winning it all would be preferred, but he's making such blatantly dumb decisions with his big pitchers when playing it conservatively at times would be the better call for the long run that it seems like he's hoping stumling across the finish line in September would be just enough...then, if the Brewers tank, it can just be blamed on two guys who were out of there anyways and Yost is safe to butcher for at least another year.

In all, I guess I'm rooting for him, since I think he's the biggest thing holding the Brewers back right now. GO YOST!

Dusty Baker did the same thing with the Cubs and nothing happened then. I don't know why you are getting so worked up.

[TheMojoPin]

Dusty Baker did the same thing with the Cubs and nothing happened then. I don't know why you are getting so worked up.

Who is getting worked up? I'm just pointing out a shitty manager.

[epo]

Who is getting worked up? I'm just pointing out a shitty manager.

A manager who also knew that Sabathia had an extra day of rest scheduled after that start and 2 extra days off after the next start.

We will never agree on Yost.

[TheMojoPin]

I hope we don't, so long as your opinion is the one shared by the Brewers.

More Yost = more gooder for the Cubs. I'm terrified of the idea of the Brewers managed by someone better than him.

[epo]

A bit of controversy today in Pittsburgh.

The Brewers defeat the Pirates 7-0 behind a 1-hitter by CC Sabathia. However the one hit was borderline at best and should/could have been called an error. The Brewers have appealed the call to Major League Baseball, but honestly at this point...who cares as "the moment" has been lost.

CC is 9-0 since joining the Brewers with a 1.43 ERA. Sabathia for NL CY Young bitches!

[K.C.]

A bit of controversy today in Pittsburgh.

The Brewers defeat the Pirates 7-0 behind a 1-hitter by CC Sabathia. However the one hit was borderline at best and should/could have been called an error. The Brewers have appealed the call to Major League Baseball, but honestly at this point...who cares as "the moment" has been lost.

Sabathia for NL CY Young bitches!


They better stop their bitching, put down their brats, and set their Pabst Blue Ribbon aside for a minute and focus on sweeping the Mets this week.

I have high expectations of the Brewers this week. We're putting the finishing touches on shaving two of the Cubs for you guys. Time to return the favor.

[epo]

They better stop their bitching, put down their brats, and set their Pabst Blue Ribbon aside for a minute and focus on sweeping the Mets this week.

I have high expectations of the Brewers this week. We're putting the finishing touches on shaving two of the Cubs for you guys. Time to return the favor.

Actually I saw the interviews after the game, the team seemed to take the "whatever" track, which is great.

This series with the Mets should be great. Luckily the Mets are throwing 3 lefties and the Brewers tend to rake against lefties.

[hammersavage]

its kinda cool that the biggest true baseball fans on this board are all fans of teams that play each other and are trying to fill 3 playoff spots.

Between Mojo, Epo, KC, the dicks in the Mets thread and every other fan in those threads, good luck to everyone, hope its an enjoyable last month (except for KC obvi)

[Friday]

epo, you better tell that lazy Chorizo to get his running legs in gear for tomorrow!!

[epo]

epo, you better tell that lazy Chorizo to get his running legs in gear for tomorrow!!

I was at a meeting for most of the night. Did Hot Dog take the honors again?

[K.C.]

I was at a meeting for most of the night. Did Hot Dog take the honors again?

Booooooooooooooooooooo!

Your team sucks.

Guess we'll just have to snatch the Wild Card as punishment during that four game series next week.

[Friday]

I was at a meeting for most of the night. Did Hot Dog take the honors again?

yep. silly hot dog! i was out to but got the stats when i came back here.
i can watch the game tomorrow... and i am rooting for a Chorizo win!!!