2008 New England Patriots Discussion - take an infected knee, boys...it's over.

[cougarjake13]

well we all know what happened last year




so what moves will be made for this year ???


moss is he coming back ???


samuel is he back ???


and oh yeh




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[Snacks]

I hope Moss leaves. just because I hate the pats. I cant believe espn reported that the pats have taped every team they played and taped the walk through of the teams they were playing before the super bowls and no one on the board is talking about it.

steroids never bothered me in baseball but this kills me. they won all 3 super bowls by 3 points. it is a huge advantage if you know the defensice plays and positions. if you know the def is stacked right and in a short pass def. all you need to do is throw left and deep.

i hate everything about the pats, especially there coach.

[cougarjake13]

I hope Moss leaves. just because I hate the pats. I cant believe espn reported that the pats have taped every team they played and taped the walk through of the teams they were playing before the super bowls and no one on the board is talking about it.

steroids never bothered me in baseball but this kills me. they won all 3 super bowls by 3 points. it is a huge advantage if you know the defensice plays and positions. if you know the def is stacked right and in a short pass def. all you need to do is throw left and deep.

i hate everything about the pats, especially there coach.


yeh no one seems to wanna talk about it


i wonder if they'll do anything about it but they cant take the super bowls back

[TheGameHHH]

So the Pats have decided the best way to bounce back from a Super Bowl defeat would be to get older on defense and offer Zach Thomas a contract. what??????????????

[foodcourtdruide]

I have nothing to say, I just want an early post in one of these epic threads.

[DJEvelEd]

Billy Bel can pick up a wireless hidden camera. Something smaller than last years model.

[underdog]

So the Pats have decided the best way to bounce back from a Super Bowl defeat would be to get older on defense and offer Zach Thomas a contract. what??????????????

Maybe they figure if they sign 20 LBs, they can rotate them so much that no one gets tired.

[NortonRules]

They need Rodney Harrison to get back on the stuff.

How else can you describe this organization other than * ?

[underdog]

They need Rodney Harrison to get back on the stuff.

How else can you describe this organization other than * ?

18-1 works just fine, thanks.

[cougarjake13]

18-1 works just fine, thanks.

now only if we could work a 9 in there

[Fallon]

"Bruschi agreed to a multiyear deal that he plans to sign Friday to stay with the Patriots. Terms of the deal were unavailable."

That's good, but they need to go younger on LB.

[Slumbag]

Sorry to interupt the thread, but I think the title is wrong.
They're the Patriots and you spelled it...............oh, OHHHHH. That's funny. Nevermind.



I'm in Indiana, so I can easily fuck the Pats.

[TheGameHHH]

"Bruschi agreed to a multiyear deal that he plans to sign Friday to stay with the Patriots. Terms of the deal were unavailable."

That's good, but they need to go younger on LB.

Yea, their two focal points for the offseason should be signing Moss and drafting good, young defensive players.

[underdog]

Patriots, Moss reach agreement on three-year contract (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d807016ab&template=without-video&confirm=true)

Also, the thread title is misleading. The Patriots cheated in 2007, not 2008. The thread title is wrong.

Otherwise, we're going to have to add cheating to every other sports' team thread title, especially the Yankees.

-Arlen Spector is going to be pissed. The Eagles offered Moss more money but he still came back to the Patriots.

[Kevin]

Patriots, Moss reach agreement on three-year contract (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d807016ab&template=without-video&confirm=true)

Also, the thread title is misleading. The Patriots cheated in 2007, not 2008. The thread title is wrong.

Otherwise, we're going to have to add cheating to every other sports' team thread title, especially the Yankees.

-Arlen Spector is going to be pissed. The Eagles offered Moss more money but he still came back to the Patriots.

Good, fuck the Eagles.

[TheGameHHH]

Welcome back Mr. Moss.................my next jersey purchase will be a Pats white replica Moss jersey.

[cougarjake13]

Patriots, Moss reach agreement on three-year contract (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d807016ab&template=without-video&confirm=true)

Also, the thread title is misleading. The Patriots cheated in 2007, not 2008. The thread title is wrong.

Otherwise, we're going to have to add cheating to every other sports' team thread title, especially the Yankees.

-Arlen Spector is going to be pissed. The Eagles offered Moss more money but he still came back to the Patriots.

actually as we're now finding out they have cheated in other years as well

and they may not cheat this year but we can still call them that for their past discretions

[cougarjake13]

Good, fuck the Eagles.

im glad


imagine the cowboys with t.o. and the eagles with moss 2x a year ???

[underdog]

and they may not cheat this year but we can still call them that for their past discretions

Then, like I said, every other thread should be renamed, as well. Because every team people cheer for on this board is filled with cheaters.

[cougarjake13]

Then, like I said, every other thread should be renamed, as well. Because every team people cheer for on this board is filled with cheaters.

true but not every team name flows so well as patricheats its almost close to the real name and phoenetically sounds ok


new york cheatankees or yankcheats doesnt sounds as good

[Snacks]

Then, like I said, every other thread should be renamed, as well. Because every team people cheer for on this board is filled with cheaters.

tell me another team that has cheated or is under investigation? the pats won ever super bowl by 3 points, dont tell me that knowing what defense called isnt an advantage.

this is worse then steroids because this is an entire organization cheating. plus this is and has been for awhile against the rules of the nfl, steroids til 2004 were not illegal in mlb.

[Kevin]

tell me another team that has cheated or is under investigation? the pats won ever super bowl by 3 points, dont tell me that knowing what defense called isnt an advantage.

this is worse then steroids because this is an entire organization cheating. plus this is and has been for awhile against the rules of the nfl, steroids til 2004 were not illegal in mlb.

Snacks... What i tell you aboot being "logical" on this board???

THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IT DAMMIT!

[underdog]

this is worse then steroids because this is an entire organization cheating. plus this is and has been for awhile against the rules of the nfl, steroids til 2004 were not illegal in mlb.

Just because you want to make the distinction between different types of cheating...

Eh, fuck it. I actually agree with you.

[Marc with a c]

this guy probably would've knocked the ball out of tyree's hands.

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[Fallon]

this guy probably would've knocked the ball out of tyree's hands.

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Those guys must wait all fucking season for an opportunity like that.

[A.J.]

Ronnie Lott would have been proud of a hit like that.

[sailor]

patricheat kaczur had 202 Oxycontin pills (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3496481) on him when arrested in april. no word on whether it was part of a virus promotion.

[JimmieHats]

Ooooh I get it! Ugh.

Pats fans? Thoughts on the upcoming season?

[Bossanova]

As much as I hate the Pats, can someone change the title to Patriots. This title is no longer relevant nor funny

[cougarjake13]

As much as I hate the Pats, can someone change the title to Patriots. This title is no longer relevant nor funny



hippie

[JimmieHats]

Happy new season, everyone. Go Pats!

[cougarjake13]

boooooooooooooooooo



dirty mods changed my thread title




:devil2::devil2::devil2::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[TheGameHHH]

its going to be a looooooooooooooong season

[HBox]

http://www.hydrogennow.org/Facts/hindenburg.jpg

It burst into flames! It burst into flames! Oh my get out of the way please! Oh my god this is one of the world's worst catastrophes. Oh the humanity! I can't talk ladies and gentlemen........

[JimmieHats]

Go Sox?

I hope Mr. Cassell has paid attention the past 3 years...

[oldladyfacepuncher]

Lock it up.

[JimmieHats]

According to a statement just issued by the team, Brady has been placed on injured reserve. His knee requires surgery. I'm listening into the Belichick press conference and will post anything else I hear...

[cougarjake13]

is this maybe a lil karma ???

[underdog]

is this maybe a lil karma ???

Wouldn't losing the Super Bowl after going 18-0 be karma?

[TheGameHHH]

I'm glad they told Chris Simms and Tim Rattay to fuck off. I think its even funnier that they did so after Simms landed in Foxbrough. The only person I'd consider outside of the organization for the job would be Culpepper but it doesnt seem like the Pats are too interested. I'm ready to trust the system and grind it out with Cassell. Nothing is a lock until they play the season out, so let's play football.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Cullpepper won't happen he want's too much. And he doesn't know the system. Keep it in house. I see Guitierez coming back this week.

[cougarjake13]

Wouldn't losing the Super Bowl after going 18-0 be karma?




well that was for 1 super bowl
brady injury is the second

so theres one more bombshell yet to come for the 3rd sb victory

[JimmieHats]

Injury summary on Brady: torn ACL and MCL.

If you're gonna go out, might as well go out big. Yeesh.

[TheGameHHH]

The Jets are favored this week, i love it. I'm actually kind of excited to be the underdog again (obviously not at the expense of Brady's health, but whatever).

[JimmieHats]

Guiterrez is back, signed to the practice squad.

Brady will have surgery in a month after the MCL heals. No cartilage damage. 6-9 months of recovery/rehab time.

[cougarjake13]

at least this divison will be competitive again

[JimmieHats]

Well, good luck to Cassell on his first NFL start. My buddy is at the game today. Go Pats!

[JimmieHats]

I'll take it. 2-0.

[Tall_James]

Sweet. Nice win on the road. Now Miami.

[Fallon]

They did enough to win. Jets don't seem very good.

[TheGameHHH]

They did enough to win. Jets don't seem very good.

i always love beating up Mangina.........or Mangenuis whatever.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

:yawn: another victory over the Jets

[Epschtein]

LOL

that is all...

:flush:

[JimBeam]

Should the NFL just make games 2 hand touch ?

That supposedly illegal hit on Cassel looked as clean as it could get.

[JimmieHats]

Oy. That was fugly.

[Kevin]

Matt Cassel will save us all!!!

[TheGameHHH]

watching this game in a South Florida bar was rough but aside from that, whatever. 21 regular season wins in a row was nice.

sign culpepper during the bye week, give him 2 weeks to work with Moss cause Cassel and these 5 yard passes ain't cutting it.

[JimBeam]

There were a few instances of aliigator arms on the Patriots though.

I think I saw Welker and Moss do it on successive plays.

The defense played like crap so it's not all on Cassel.

[Fallon]

CASSEL CAN'T THROW!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit, this guy is a bum. He can't throw screens or sideline passes.

Complete garbage.

[sailor]

4 catches for 25 yards...how long till moss quits on cassell?

[Kevin]

CASSEL CAN'T THROW!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit, this guy is a bum. He can't throw screens or sideline passes.

Complete garbage.

Drew Bledsoe is still out there..

[KnoxHarrington]

So what was that about how it's the Patriots' system that wins games, and you can plug just about any QB in there?

[OGC]

So what was that about how it's the Patriots' system that wins games, and you can plug just about any QB in there?

I don't think anyone said that the Patriot's system would win all of the games. :help:

[JimmieHats]

I love how ESPN is treating it like it's the worst defeat of the century.

It's a loss. We get it.

[Legit Bill]

Cassell looked like absolute dog shit....Fumbled on a run and then threw an interception (thank god for the flag). I hope they start O'conell next week. Nothing against Cassell, but he just makes me to nervous

[TheGameHHH]

So what was that about how it's the Patriots' system that wins games, and you can plug just about any QB in there?

nobody said that, but you should keep lying. im sure something will stick eventually.

[sailor]

I love how ESPN is treating it like it's the worst defeat of the century.

It's a loss. We get it.

it's the worst pats home loss loss in the 6 years of gillette to a heretofore abysmal dolphins team.

[JimmieHats]

it's the worst pats home loss loss in the 6 years of gillette to a heretofore abysmal dolphins team.

Oh well. We're mortal. Hide the wife and kids. Armageddon is coming...

[JimBeam]

So every Patriot win last year, including all of those against the AWFUL AFC East, meant so much but now when they lose to a team in a dramitically imporoved AFC East, a team that had won 1 time while the Patriots had won 21 times, doesn't mean anything ?

Now all of a sudden a division game isn't so impotant.

Funny how that works.

[OGC]

So every Patriot win last year, including all of those against the AWFUL AFC East, meant so much but now when they lose to a team in a dramitically imporoved AFC East, a team that had won 1 time while the Patriots had won 21 times, doesn't mean anything ?

Now all of a sudden a division game isn't so impotant.

Funny how that works.

Who said that ?

[TheGameHHH]

So every Patriot win last year, including all of those against the AWFUL AFC East, meant so much but now when they lose to a team in a dramitically imporoved AFC East, a team that had won 1 time while the Patriots had won 21 times, doesn't mean anything ?

Now all of a sudden a division game isn't so impotant.

Funny how that works.

who said a divison game isn't important? of course it is. but its ONE game, what is everybody supposed to do? cry because they lost? its over, move on and go into the bye week looking to work on things to make you better.

[Kevin]

The Super Bowl Losers always suck the next year...

[King Hippos Bandaid]

ouch

Matt Cassel must be pissed he isn't holding the Clip Board

maybe you let him hold it when the defense comes out

[cougarjake13]

The Super Bowl Losers always suck the next year...

yeh usually thats true cept for the seahags but they played in a shitty division so that helped

but i dont think the patsies would have been one of them pre brady injury

[JimmieHats]

Troy Brown has retired after 15 seasons in the NFL, all with the Patriots. He is the all time receptions leader for Pats receivers, and second in yards.


#80 r00lz. Thank you, Troy.

[cougarjake13]

Troy Brown has retired after 15 seasons in the NFL, all with the Patriots. He is the all time receptions leader for Pats receivers, and second in yards.


#80 r00lz. Thank you, Troy.


great player


he will be missed

[Legit Bill]

This season just keeps getting better and better! :annoyed:

[TheGameHHH]

This season just keeps getting better and better! :annoyed:

if you were expecting troy brown to contribute then maybe your perception of the season was mis-guided to begin with.

[underdog]

ah boo.

[Fallon]

They need to bench Cassel. He has no pocket presence at all and continues to under throw the ball.

Ah boo indeed.

:thumbdown:

[TheGameHHH]

They need to bench Cassel. He has no pocket presence at all and continues to under throw the ball.

Ah boo indeed.

:thumbdown:

but then who do they turn to? kevin o'connell? matt gutierez? remember this is only cassels 5th game he's started in like a decade. i think they should grind out the season with him, try to gear the system more to his strengths (which are few) and hope he gets better.

or they could sign daunte culpepper.

[Bossanova]

Cassel is garbage. He looks to run too much, and for some reason can't throw a pass beyond 7 yards. I also noticed that he very afraid to take a hit. If they want to compete without Brady they need to find a back up somewhere else. Cassel is never going to be the answer. Madden was disgusted with his play and he is always tries to find some positive

[underdog]

but then who do they turn to? kevin o'connell? matt gutierez? remember this is only cassels 5th game he's started in like a decade. i think they should grind out the season with him, try to gear the system more to his strengths (which are few) and hope he gets better.

or they could sign daunte culpepper.

One of them HAS to be able to throw to a 2nd or 3rd receiver. Cassell cannot check down. If his #1 is covered, he panics and then tries to run.

[Bossanova]

One of them HAS to be able to throw to a 2nd or 3rd receiver. Cassell cannot check down. If his #1 is covered, he panics and then tries to run.

I just thought of a few that have to be better. Culpepper, Leftwich, Rattay, christ even Vinny Testaverde , I think even Lorenzen is out there. Cassel has nothing

[underdog]

I just thought of a few that have to be better. Culpepper, Leftwich, Rattay, christ even Vinny Testaverde , I think even Lorenzen is out there. Cassel has nothing

I'm glad they didn't touch Culpepper. I'd rather have Cassel packing it in and running than Culpepper just fumbling and overthrowing receivers.

[Bossanova]

I'm glad they didn't touch Culpepper. I'd rather have Cassel packing it in and running than Culpepper just fumbling and overthrowing receivers.

I'll give you that, but fuck.

Granted, I have Moss on my fantasy team, but I was so frustrated watching that game. I was begging this fuck to throw the ball to Welker, Morris, andyone beyond the 5. I also love how he threw the ball into the ground when he saw a guy 3 yards away from him. He didnt even bother to try to make something happen. Eh, just drill it into the ground and stop the play.

[cougarjake13]

I just thought of a few that have to be better. Culpepper, Leftwich, Rattay, christ even Vinny Testaverde , I think even Lorenzen is out there. Cassel has nothing

lorenzen is 2nd or 3rd string behind peyton


rattay is available, he's not on any roster


cant see pitt trading leftwich to the pats, plus big ben is fragile

[TheGameHHH]

lorenzen is 2nd or 3rd string behind peyton


rattay is available, he's not on any roster


cant see pitt trading leftwich to the pats, plus big ben is fragile

the Pats already told Tim Rattay to go fuck himself, right after they said the same thing to Chris "I should have NEVER had a job in college let alone the NFL" Simms.

[underdog]

the Pats already told Tim Rattay to go fuck himself, right after they said the same thing to Chris "I should have NEVER had a job in college let alone the NFL" Simms.

I really hope they reach out to Major Applewhite.

[TheGameHHH]

I really hope they reach out to Major Applewhite.

he can't leave the prestidgous position that is Assistant Head Coach at The University of Texas. However, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Texas just randomly shitcanned him and gave the job to Simms.

[JimmieHats]

:clap:

[RAAMONE]

so who's their backup? or do faulk and morris split time

just want to know if i should start morris now in fantasy

[TheGameHHH]

so who's their backup? or do faulk and morris split time

just want to know if i should start morris now in fantasy

if he's not injured then start him, why not? somebody has to run the ball.

so now the Pats have lost Brady, Maroney & Harrison for the year......good times.

[Fallon]

if he's not injured then start him, why not? somebody has to run the ball.

so now the Pats have lost Brady, Maroney & Harrison for the year......good times.

This is the craziest season ever.

I don't see Harrison playing again. :(

[RAAMONE]

if he's not injured then start him, why not? somebody has to run the ball.

so now the Pats have lost Brady, Maroney & Harrison for the year......good times.

i just didnt know if he split time evenly with faulk or if he would get most of the carries

i dont like starting RB's who share equal time...less chance of points

[DOHO@HOME]

Stop holding on to the ball in the pocket and throw the fuckin ball fuckin sack king:wallbash:
Oh Tommy are you ready to come back in a bubble suit or something we miss and need you:down:

[TheGameHHH]

i just didnt know if he split time evenly with faulk or if he would get most of the carries

i dont like starting RB's who share equal time...less chance of points

just about every RB in the league splits time to some extent, but with the Pats you never know. Hell, they won a Super Bowl with Antwan Smith and Faulk as their RBs so you never know who is going to be used when.

[TheGameHHH]

This is the craziest season ever.

I don't see Harrison playing again. :(

As soon as he was put on the cart last night I turned to my friend and said, 'I'm pretty sure this is the last time we'll ever see Rodney Harrison playing football.' Just a weird season.

[jonyrotn]

Looks like we're playing for a draft pick this year :surrender:..Anyone know how many first rounders we have this year, if any at all? :sad: :help:

EDIT: GO CELTS!!!

[Knowledged_one]

Looks like we're playing for a draft pick this year :surrender:..Anyone know how many first rounders we have this year, if any at all? :sad: :help:

EDIT: GO CELTS!!!

You mean they right?

[Dan 'Hampton]

I still think we win the division. Cassell looked better admitedly after Champ Bailey went down. I think the kid needed some confidence and maybe he'll be able to continue this week with STL.

[The Majik Man]

I feel for my majikal buddy and pal Rodney Harrison

You stay majik my friend

[Neckbeard]

Backups fucking RULE. My boy Matt is gonna fuckin' take it and OWN IT.

I AM A GOLDEN GOD.

[jonyrotn]

You mean they right?
No, I meant "we"..
I suffered through those pathetic teams when Steve Grogan, Doug Flutie,Tony Eason, Hugh Millen, Tom Hodson, Marc Wilson, Scott Zolak, Doug Flutie again and Drew "the cromagnum man" Bledsoe were leading this team straight into a brick wall..
I now consider myself apart or this dynasty, thank you very much..:thumbup:

[Neckbeard]

There's only one dynasty around these days, fools...and it has hair all over its neck and ill-defined jawline. WHUT.

[Knowledged_one]

No, I meant "we"..
I suffered through those pathetic teams when Steve Grogan, Doug Flutie,Tony Eason, Hugh Millen, Tom Hodson, Marc Wilson, Scott Zolak, Doug Flutie again and Drew "the cromagnum man" Bledsoe were leading this team straight into a brick wall..
I now consider myself apart or this dynasty, thank you very much..:thumbup:

So you got a ring when they won the championship? You draw a salary from the team?

[K.C.]

Already, speculation is running rampant that the severity of Brady's infection complications could possibly cost him next season as well.

[TheGameHHH]

Already, speculation is running rampant that the severity of Brady's infection complications could possibly cost him next season as well.

no.....it's not. it could set him back, but it wont cost him the year. im shocked that not only did we have to suffer by losing him but apparently he has a knee that isn't even fixable (is that a word?). this injury keeps getting worse.

[K.C.]

no.....it's not. it could set him back, but it wont cost him the year. im shocked that not only did we have to suffer by losing him but apparently he has a knee that isn't even fixable (is that a word?). this injury keeps getting worse.

It will be six weeks before they even are able to reassess, and that's assuming they can stop the infection with antibiotics and don't have to operate again.

Then it's a nine month recovery times, with NO setbacks.

That would take him in to September 2009.

It's going to most likely require even more rehabilitation than that, because this is football (McNabb went through the same thing, minus the infection problems, last season).

I would say the best case scenario at this point, is that if everything goes perfect, he'd only miss the first month of the 2009 season.

Very rarely does this stuff go off without a hitch, though, in professional sports.

His 2009 season is very much up in the air right now.

And even if he comes back, he most likely won't be anything close to what he used to be, in 2009. QBs who have this generally take a full season, after recovery, to really strengthen the knee into playing shape.

To draw a parallel, it's like a pitcher the first season he comes back from Tommy John.

So either way, the Pats should be extremely concerned. I'd be stunned to see him on the field before October '09, and I'd say it's probably 50-50 he's going to even be ready by then.

[Piuki]

This just all hurts, so very very much. :down:

[Dan 'Hampton]

Until I see this confirmed by the Boston papers I'm not buying it in totality.
*To the extent ESPN is saying*

[cougarjake13]

This just all hurts, so very very much. :down:




those 3 super bowls will comfort ya

[TheGameHHH]

It will be six weeks before they even are able to reassess, and that's assuming they can stop the infection with antibiotics and don't have to operate again.

Then it's a nine month recovery times, with NO setbacks.

That would take him in to September 2009.

It's going to most likely require even more rehabilitation than that, because this is football (McNabb went through the same thing, minus the infection problems, last season).

I would say the best case scenario at this point, is that if everything goes perfect, he'd only miss the first month of the 2009 season.

Very rarely does this stuff go off without a hitch, though, in professional sports.

His 2009 season is very much up in the air right now.

And even if he comes back, he most likely won't be anything close to what he used to be, in 2009. QBs who have this generally take a full season, after recovery, to really strengthen the knee into playing shape.

To draw a parallel, it's like a pitcher the first season he comes back from Tommy John.

So either way, the Pats should be extremely concerned. I'd be stunned to see him on the field before October '09, and I'd say it's probably 50-50 he's going to even be ready by then.

not really, considering many times a pitcher can actually come back stronger after Tommy John. I've never a a QB come back better and more mobile after an ACL surgery.

other then that i get what youre saying and i agre

[K.C.]

Until I see this confirmed by the Boston papers I'm not buying it in totality.
*To the extent ESPN is saying*

Didn't this start in the Globe?

I think they're just quoting that story (and maybe speculating on recovery time).

But on the bright side, I'm sure they'll do 18 straight hours of Brady on ESPN this weekend, like they did after he first got hurt.

[KingGeno]

Beat news about Tom Brady, patriots fans. I hate to see a player go down with an injury, and even moreso when complications pop up. He could end up having to walk with a cane if they don't resolve it. Real shame, one of the best QBs ever to play the game. Good luck.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Boston.com article with Pats official press release on Brady knee situation:http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2008/10/patriots_releas_3.html
Go figure ESPN got something wrong/didn't research the whole story.

[RAAMONE]

sammy morris out 3 weeks

your team is falling apart

[RAAMONE]

n/m

[nate1000]

For Brady's knee, maybe this will help it heal:

http://msp274.photobucket.com/albums/jj261/silverio16/poop.gif

[Freitag]

The thing that's always bothered me about the Patriots is how secretive they've been about injury reports, and now this. It's like... WTF? Kind of like the Boy Who Cried Wolf in a sense.

One has to hope it's just an "infection" and not MRSA. If it's MRSA, forget his playing career, that could be a quality of life issue.

I made jokes before about Brady being injured, but that was under the pretense is that everyone comes back from knee injuries, and besdies which, Brady has enough success to get him into the HOF and then some.

But I won't joke about this; this is serious stuff.

[Piuki]

those 3 super bowls will comfort ya

You'd think...but not really. I lost BabyBandit's football soul in the Super Bowl last year to her father. Now she's a Giants fan. I am scared of losing Beer, Jr.'s soul, too.

[TheGameHHH]

Dr. James Andrews said today Bradys knee seems to be responding well to antibiotics and his timetable for recovery likely hasnt been compromised. i'll take that as some welcomed good news.

[cougarjake13]

brady will be fine

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dr. James Andrews said today Bradys knee seems to be responding well to antibiotics and his timetable for recovery likely hasnt been compromised. i'll take that as some welcomed good news.

I think that's the first time Dr. James has been mention with "good news".

[sailor]

it's like barbaro all over again. :glurps:

[TheGameHHH]

I think that's the first time Dr. James has been mention with "good news".

i truthfully can not think of another time when that was the case, this injury has been weird on so many levels.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Game, you heading north anytime soon?

[TheGameHHH]

Game, you heading north anytime soon?

tuesday before thanksgiving till the sunday after, then around christmas.............why?

[underdog]

Game, you heading north anytime soon?

tuesday before thanksgiving till the sunday after, then around christmas.............why?

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[TheGameHHH]

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/69.gif

for serious, tenbats wants a little booty call

[Tenbatsuzen]

Nah, just wanted to see if you wanted to get a beer and watch real hockey.

[TheGameHHH]

5-2 going into Indy next week, i'll take it.........for now.

Cassell still sucks

[cougarjake13]

5-2 going into Indy next week, i'll take it.........for now.

Cassell still sucks



and who'd a thought that this game wouldnt be as big as it has been in years past

[TheGameHHH]

6-3........bring on the Jets

[Fallon]

6-3........bring on the Jets

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

[Epschtein]

unbelievable bad luck so far, and still a chance to be alone in first if they beat the jets...

"Linebacker Adalius Thomas, who has started all nine games for the Patriots and is tied for the team lead with five sacks, suffered a broken left forearm in the first half of the Patriots 20-10 win, according to sources. The sources believe the injury is likely season ending.

"It's not good. He's probably done [for the season]," said one source.

New England is 6-3 and tied for first place in the AFC East despite a season-ending injuries to quarterback Tom Brady, safety Rodney Harrison, and running back Laurence Maroney as well as the absence of running backs Sammy Morris and LaMont Jordan."

[TheGameHHH]

unbelievable bad luck so far, and still a chance to be alone in first if they beat the jets...

"Linebacker Adalius Thomas, who has started all nine games for the Patriots and is tied for the team lead with five sacks, suffered a broken left forearm in the first half of the Patriots 20-10 win, according to sources. The sources believe the injury is likely season ending.

"It's not good. He's probably done [for the season]," said one source.

New England is 6-3 and tied for first place in the AFC East despite a season-ending injuries to quarterback Tom Brady, safety Rodney Harrison, and running back Laurence Maroney as well as the absence of running backs Sammy Morris and LaMont Jordan."

At this rate I honestly wasn't even surprised. From here on out I just expect to lose one starter per game due to season ending injuries.

Next week I predict Jerrod Mayo

[Fallon]

This is nuts!

I've never seen a team so injured before.

[cougarjake13]

they may become the first team to have to forfeit a game

[Dan 'Hampton]

At this rate I honestly wasn't even surprised. From here on out I just expect to lose one starter per game due to season ending injuries.

Next week I predict Jerrod Mayo

Shut your dirty hole!
Jesus don't even joke.

[cougarjake13]

Shut your dirty hole!
Jesus don't even joke.

my guess is matt cassell

[Dan 'Hampton]

my guess is matt cassell

I'm betting on your Downs QB.

[cougarjake13]

I'm betting on your Downs QB.



yet he still finds a way to win

it truly amazing how the downs community has elevated eli on top of their slumped shoulders


he's a shining example and gives hope to them all

[OGC]

Looks like an old friend will be playing against the Patriots this week

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_jets_law

[RAAMONE]

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP)—The NFL has rescinded a $20,000 fine levied against New England Patriots receiver Randy Moss for his comments about officiating.

The fine was withdrawn by Ray Anderson, the league’s vice president of operations, after a review, league spokesman Greg Aiello said Tuesday.

Moss’ remarks came after the Patriots lost 18-15 at Indianapolis on Nov. 2. The fine was never announced by the league.

Moss said at the time there were “some real iffy calls out there.” He added that good calls and bad calls are part of the game, and “you’ve got to live and die with them.”


they were really going to fine him 20,000 for that?!...it wasnt even bad...just said its part of the game and you have to deal with it

these fines are getting outta control...at least they reversed this one

[cougarjake13]

they were really going to fine him 20,000 for that?!...it wasnt even bad...just said its part of the game and you have to deal with it

these fines are getting outta control...at least they reversed this one



they're really getting fucking crazy here


one question

if we live in a country where we have freedom of speech

how can the NFL fine people for expressing their right ???

[Dan 'Hampton]

they're really getting fucking crazy here


one question

if we live in a country where we have freedom of speech

how can the NFL fine people for expressing their right ???

The NFL, like all sports leagues is a dictatorship.

[cougarjake13]

The NFL, like all sports leagues is a dictatorship.

well its time to overthrow the dictator then

[Dan 'Hampton]

well its time to overthrow the dictator then

He can't get the game tomorrow night on my tv so he's obviously weak.

[cougarjake13]

He can't get the game tomorrow night on my tv so he's obviously weak.

i thought the rule was that these nfl network thurs games had to be played on reg tv in the home markets of the 2 teams playing

[Dan 'Hampton]

i thought the rule was that these nfl network thurs games had to be played on reg tv in the home markets of the 2 teams playing

I live an hour and 20 min outside of Boston. We don't get the Boston TV stations, so we're in the cold. Nice.

[barjockey]

Chris Colinsworth looks like Mr. Burns

[barjockey]

Cassel is gonna get hurt if keeps scrmbling w/o sliding

[Epschtein]

i realize they need to work the underneath stuff but its really frustrating that they dont try to get randy involved.

and yeah, cassell is asking for an injury if he doesnt slide sometimes.

ugly effort by the patriots so far, they needed to come right out and score after halftime so instead they give it away, and now they are punting.

ack.

[TheGameHHH]

If the defense isn't addressed in the offseason theres going to be serious problems with this team in 2009, even with the addition of Brady.

I can't even talk about tonights game, it feels like my heart was ripped out of my chest. Maybe sometime next week i'll get to talking about it.

[Fallon]

If the defense isn't addressed in the offseason theres going to be serious problems with this team in 2009, even with the addition of Brady.

I can't even talk about tonights game, it feels like my heart was ripped out of my chest. Maybe sometime next week i'll get to talking about it.

Honestly, I'm not very upset. If they were playing this way with all of their IR guys healthy I'd be concerned. But this is a fucked up year and they are still staying competitive and I'd be happy if they can just sneak a playoff spot.

Great game.

[TheGameHHH]

Honestly, I'm not very upset. If they were playing this way with all of their IR guys healthy I'd be concerned. But this is a fucked up year and they are still staying competitive and I'd be happy if they can just sneak a playoff spot.

Great game.

I get what you're saying, believe me. But they only played a good half of a game tonight, they looked like absolute dogshit the entire first half. And truthfully if the Pats had won the game it would have been because the Jets lost it. You simply can't blow a 24-6 lead. Out of the four major IR guys they have right now I'm only excited about the return of Brady. Maroney is made of glass and has proven to be pretty much useless during his tenure with this team, they can plug any back in their system and they do alright. He's certainly nothing special as he's hesitant to hit holes hard and he's been injured through his whole time in New England. Rodney Harrison will be close to 106 years old and it seems fairly logical that he would hang em up. Thomas, showing marked improvement this season, will be a year older but I'd like to see him healthy next year. That leaves Brady, which I hope he can make it back as close to 100% as possible.

On defense, Tedy will be right behind Harrison as he will turn 105 next season and he really only makes plays now if somebody forgets to block him. Their defensive line is full of big names that have for the most part laid duds this season, being a year older certainly wont make them quicker or more explosive. As far as their corners are concerned I'm pretty sure I could make the Pats right now as a corner, top to bottom they are awful. I dont care what people say, I miss having a half way decent shut down corner like Asante Samuel. They only player on defense that i fucking LOVE right now is Mayo. He's a fucking freak and will be a force to be recokened with for years to come. But outside of him the defense is weak, plain and simple. Its something that needs to be addressed because if they improve at all on D then this team will once again be scary in 2009.

I still think they have a shot at sneaking in to the playoffs and once that happens it's anybodys game, but they must improve on defense to be successful at that next level.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Honestly, I'm not very upset. If they were playing this way with all of their IR guys healthy I'd be concerned. But this is a fucked up year and they are still staying competitive and I'd be happy if they can just sneak a playoff spot.

Great game.

my thoughts exactly. It's starting to get fun watching MAT CASSELL of all people playing QB for us.
Plus if the Jets give up 470+ yards to Cassell I don't see them going very far.

[OGC]

my thoughts exactly. It's starting to get fun watching MAT CASSELL of all people playing QB for us.
Plus if the Jets give up 470+ yards to Cassell I don't see them going very far.


After last year's great season and loss in the Super Bowl, I've come to realize that the regular season doesn't matter much as long as you are good enough to make it to the playoffs. Anything can happen once the post season starts.

[JimmieHats]

After last year's great season and loss in the Super Bowl, I've come to realize that the regular season doesn't matter much as long as you are good enough to make it to the playoffs. Anything can happen once the post season starts.

srsly.

[cougarjake13]

After last year's great season and loss in the Super Bowl, I've come to realize that the regular season doesn't matter much as long as you are good enough to make it to the playoffs. Anything can happen once the post season starts.

srsly.




any given sunday

[TheGameHHH]

Man......Cassel is getting a lot better

[cougarjake13]

Man......Cassel is getting a lot better

too bad someone will give him a shit load of money and a starting gig in the offseason

[TheGameHHH]

too bad someone will give him a shit load of money and a starting gig in the offseason

why is that too bad? he deserves a starting job in the NFL next season. I can already name 10 QBs off the top of my head that he's better then.

[cougarjake13]

why is that too bad? he deserves a starting job in the NFL next season. I can already name 10 QBs off the top of my head that he's better then.

bad for the patriots in that now they know they have a very capable back up but most likely won't be able to keep him b/c he'll want to start

[RAAMONE]

i know i'm a little late but...

you guys SUCKED

[JimmieHats]

i know i'm a little late but...

you guys SUCKED

Yea, not so good. Been quiet. I think we were just trying to ignore that the game ever happened...

[TheGameHHH]

the Pats won the last 6 of 7 vs. the Steelers going into last week, im sure the Pats just felt sorry for them. the sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while. just ask the Giants.

[underdog]

Yea, not so good. Been quiet. I think we were just trying to ignore that the game ever happened...

I hate that all anyone talked about afterward were the receivers' drops, no one mentioned Cassell throwing behind EVERYONE. God damn, he looked fucking AWFUL.

[JimmieHats]

I hate that all anyone talked about afterward were the receivers' drops, no one mentioned Cassell throwing behind EVERYONE. God damn, he looked fucking AWFUL.

very true. I guess he was due after the two straight 400-yard games...

[underdog]

very true. I guess he was due after the two straight 400-yard games...

I'm just glad the "let go of Brady and keep Cassell" talk is finally over.

[JimmieHats]

I'm just glad the "let go of Brady and keep Cassell" talk is finally over.

To even utter those words is insanity. Gotta love Boston sports talk.

[underdog]

To even utter those words is insanity. Gotta love Boston sports talk.

It was even on national media. People kept making parallels to the 2001 season, even though that team was led by a bad QB that the coach didn't want and his injury was actually a public relations blessing for the team.

I was curious as to how good Cassell would be, but I can't even begin to make a judgment until he shows himself in the playoffs.

[TheGameHHH]

It was even on national media. People kept making parallels to the 2001 season, even though that team was led by a bad QB that the coach didn't want and his injury was actually a public relations blessing for the team.

I was curious as to how good Cassell would be, but I can't even begin to make a judgment until he shows himself in the playoffs.

can you tell me who these "people" in the national media were? i consider myself a fairly in touch sports fan and rather abreast in national sports media. i never once heard somebody say Cassell should be kept over Brady. not even those lunatics on Around The Horn, like Mariotti or Paige. would say something that crazy. im really hoping you aren't gonna dig up an article from some random paper like the Oregon Gazette or something and use that as a source.

[underdog]

can you tell me who these "people" in the national media were? i consider myself a fairly in touch sports fan and rather abreast in national sports media. i never once heard somebody say Cassell should be kept over Brady. not even those lunatics on Around The Horn, like Mariotti or Paige. would say something that crazy. im really hoping you aren't gonna dig up an article from some random paper like the Oregon Gazette or something and use that as a source.

It was a point raised on PTI, although neither agreed with the point. But just that it was a discussion was bothering enough.

[JimmieHats]

Rosie is back. Pats bring back Colvin to help depleted OLB corps.

[OGC]

can you tell me who these "people" in the national media were? i consider myself a fairly in touch sports fan and rather abreast in national sports media. i never once heard somebody say Cassell should be kept over Brady. not even those lunatics on Around The Horn, like Mariotti or Paige. would say something that crazy. im really hoping you aren't gonna dig up an article from some random paper like the Oregon Gazette or something and use that as a source.

It was a point raised on PTI, although neither agreed with the point. But just that it was a discussion was bothering enough.

Yea, I consider myself fairly up on the sports talk here in New England and the only mention I heard about keeping Cassell over Brady was the outrage that anyone would even mention it. It would be my guess that some dope called in to weei and mentioned it and the hosts laughed him off and then continued to talk about it the rest of the day. There is a lot of time to fill on sports talk radio.

[TheGameHHH]

Rosie is back. Pats bring back Colvin to help depleted OLB corps.

i remember this past offseason being upset when he was cut, it didnt make sense to me. but now that i think about it, if he couldnt catch on anywhere else in the NFL then is he really that good? its been said he's dealing with some off the field issues so that might play a role. either way they need help, maybe Colvin can step up.

[underdog]

i remember this past offseason being upset when he was cut, it didnt make sense to me. but now that i think about it, if he couldnt catch on anywhere else in the NFL then is he really that good? its been said he's dealing with some off the field issues so that might play a role. either way they need help, maybe Colvin can step up.

Rosie is back. Pats bring back Colvin to help depleted OLB corps.

He failed a physical with the Texans. But I love Colvin, I'm glad to have him back. I'm so sad his prime was ruined when he broke his hip.

Yea, I consider myself fairly up on the sports talk here in New England and the only mention I heard about keeping Cassell over Brady was the outrage that anyone would even mention it. It would be my guess that some dope called in to weei and mentioned it and the hosts laughed him off and then continued to talk about it the rest of the day. There is a lot of time to fill on sports talk radio.

Maybe that's what I kept hearing, people upset that someone would mention Cassell over Brady, without anyone ever actually mentioning it.

[Fallon]

Seau's back.

Who's next? Ted Johnson?

[cougarjake13]

Seau's back.

Who's next? Ted Johnson?




steve grogan

[TheGameHHH]

Seau's back.

Who's next? Ted Johnson?

sadly, at this point it wouldnt surprise me.....how do you answer an aging, injury riddled defense? plug in old guys!!!

truthfully though they need help no matter what, clearly the guys on their roster couldn't cut it, so lets give these old bastards a shot.

im really looking forward to Seau making big plays when people forget to block him, cause thats really all he's good for.

[JimBeam]

im really looking forward to Seau making big plays when people forget to block him, cause thats really all he's good for.

Yeah but he's so old his Alzheimers may kick in and he'll forget to do what he needs to do.

[TheGameHHH]

i dont think i've ever seen a team get so injured during a season. every team has them and they deal, but this is unreal. 2 quick more to add to the list so far today, vince wilfork and tedy bruschi. this is getting out of hand.

[TheGameHHH]

talk about a game the Pats had no business winning......wow.

Cassel looked good on the last drive, when it counted. Welker came up huge as usual. I still can't fathom how the Dolphins let him get away.

8-5 and in a 3 way tie for the division. The Colts are going to win the rest of the way out because they're playing High School Women's Soccer teams the rest of the way so hopefully the Ravens lose tonight and a Wild Card spot will start to open up as well.

[OGC]

talk about a game the Pats had no business winning......wow.



an ugly win in better than a pretty loss.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Amazing ending.
3 game season.

[TheGameHHH]

an ugly win in better than a pretty loss.

always my friend, always

[cougarjake13]

Amazing ending.
3 game season.



3 way tie now


and man how bad have the toronto bills fallen

werent they like 5-1 at 1 point ??





although i gotta ask u pats fans


do u really think the pats will go far in the postseason and even if they do but not win the super bowl wouldnt you have rather had them go 5-11 or 4-12 get a great first rd pick and then start again in 09 with brady back ??

[TheGameHHH]

3 way tie now


and man how bad have the toronto bills fallen

werent they like 5-1 at 1 point ??





although i gotta ask u pats fans


do u really think the pats will go far in the postseason and even if they do but not win the super bowl wouldnt you have rather had them go 5-11 or 4-12 get a great first rd pick and then start again in 09 with brady back ??

i'll take a stab at this one....i dont know how far the Pats will go if they make the postseason but I do know it's not about being the "best" team, its about getting hot at the right time (one can argue that alone does make you the best team but that's another story). once you get to the postseason ANYTHING can happen. we can look at 2001 and you Giants fans can look at last year as perfect examples.

Their most pressing need is LBs. Why tank an entire season just to move up 15 odd picks to take a LB? If that's what you're rooting for as a player or a fan then you have zero desire to go out, be a professional and compete. hoping for a losing season just shows no class whatsoever.

[OGC]

although i gotta ask u pats fans


do u really think the pats will go far in the postseason and even if they do but not win the super bowl wouldnt you have rather had them go 5-11 or 4-12 get a great first rd pick and then start again in 09 with brady back ??

No, the league would just find another reason to take the pick away from them.

I can't say I feel very confident that this years Patriots will go too far in the playoffs. Maybe we can ruin someone else's season this year.

[cougarjake13]

i'll take a stab at this one....i dont know how far the Pats will go if they make the postseason but I do know it's not about being the "best" team, its about getting hot at the right time (one can argue that alone does make you the best team but that's another story). once you get to the postseason ANYTHING can happen. we can look at 2001 and you Giants fans can look at last year as perfect examples.

Their most pressing need is LBs. Why tank an entire season just to move up 15 odd picks to take a LB? If that's what you're rooting for as a player or a fan then you have zero desire to go out, be a professional and compete. hoping for a losing season just shows no class whatsoever.


im not saying tank the season and obviously things have worked out better than anyone could have imagined

im just saying that if they dont go on a 01 patriots like run and finish lets say 8-8 or 9-7 miss or make the playoffs but draft 20 something when if they won only 4 or 5 they'd draft 5th and get some stud linebacker or what have you


what im saying is after the season is done and whatever happens, happens and you look back and they didnt win the super bowl would you, personally the fan wish they had only won 4 or 5

[TheGameHHH]

im not saying tank the season and obviously things have worked out better than anyone could have imagined

im just saying that if they dont go on a 01 patriots like run and finish lets say 8-8 or 9-7 miss or make the playoffs but draft 20 something when if they won only 4 or 5 they'd draft 5th and get some stud linebacker or what have you


what im saying is after the season is done and whatever happens, happens and you look back and they didnt win the super bowl would you, personally the fan wish they had only won 4 or 5

isnt that kind of a silly question though? hindsight is 20/20. ask any playoff team that doesn't win the Super Bowl if they'd like to be drafting number 1 overall and they would all say yes. It just doesn't happen that way. I'd rather be in the playoffs and take my shot.

[cougarjake13]

isnt that kind of a silly question though? hindsight is 20/20. ask any playoff team that doesn't win the Super Bowl if they'd like to be drafting number 1 overall and they would all say yes. It just doesn't happen that way. I'd rather be in the playoffs and take my shot.



normally yes


but in a situation like the pats are in currently, losing their starting QB so early in the season

[TheGameHHH]

normally yes


but in a situation like the pats are in currently, losing their starting QB so early in the season

but what bearing does that have on anything? the Pats are currently tied for the division lead with 3 games left. theyre playing football just like every other team out there (obviously minus the Lions). yea they lost Brady for the year, so what? a good team will rise above adversity, and that includes injuries

[Dan 'Hampton]

If they win the division it's been a fantastic year considering the start. We don't need/can't afford a low draft pick. We have important things like resigning Wilfork to spend money on. big bucks on rookies isn't part of our M.O.
If we don't make the playoffs we still get a mid round pick.

[cougarjake13]

but what bearing does that have on anything? the Pats are currently tied for the division lead with 3 games left. theyre playing football just like every other team out there (obviously minus the Lions). yea they lost Brady for the year, so what? a good team will rise above adversity, and that includes injuries



thats why im saying looking back after the year is over


obviously they could repeat 2001

[TheGameHHH]

thats why im saying looking back after the year is over


obviously they could repeat 2001

yea i think i get you, i guess we're just repeating ourselves. what im saying is ask any fan or any player, the goal is to win a championship. anything less then that is a failure. so if the pats dont win the title, then i think they failed. would i like them to have a high draft pick? sure.

if the giants dont win the super bowl, would you like to have them drafting in the top 3? i bet you would.

i just dont get what you keep saying about Bradys impact on this situation. that would be like me saying, 'given the fact that you lost Osi for the year, would you like to be drafting higher if you don't win the Super Bowl?'

[cougarjake13]

yea i think i get you, i guess we're just repeating ourselves. what im saying is ask any fan or any player, the goal is to win a championship. anything less then that is a failure. so if the pats dont win the title, then i think they failed. would i like them to have a high draft pick? sure.

if the giants dont win the super bowl, would you like to have them drafting in the top 3? i bet you would.

i just dont get what you keep saying about Bradys impact on this situation. that would be like me saying, 'given the fact that you lost Osi for the year, would you like to be drafting higher if you don't win the Super Bowl?'


well obviously losing brady greatly reduced the pats chances of winning anything this year, or at least that was the perception at the time

same with osi, losing him greatly reduced the giants chances of repeating, or so we thought


but yeh if losing osi ultimately costs us the repeat b/c he's not there, how you quantify that i dunno, but if you could, then yes i'd rather suck ass for a year get a top 5 draft pick and see what develops

obviously QB is a bit more important of a loss vs a DE, but look at a few yrs ago the giants sucked, drafted 4th, traded for eli and thats working out quite nicely for the giants

to me it makes no sense for a team or franchsie to be mediocre and go 8-8 or 9-7 and either miss or just make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round and get amid first draft pick when a few less wins maybe gets you in top 5

to me in the long run the better thing for a franchise is a better pick that could turn into a franchise player vs saying you won 9 games and played in 1 playoff game one year

[JimmieHats]

Cassell is almost definitely unavailable for Sunday's game at Oakland, as he has taken a leave after the death of his father earlier this week. Kevin O'Connell is likely to start. He has four career passes, coming on the blowout loss to Miami this year. Bruschi is likely out for the remainder of the season with a knee injury. Wilfork and Warren have been limited in practice as they deal with injuries.

[TheGameHHH]

Cassell is almost definitely unavailable for Sunday's game at Oakland, as he has taken a leave after the death of his father earlier this week. Kevin O'Connell is likely to start. He has four career passes, coming on the blowout loss to Miami this year. Bruschi is likely out for the remainder of the season with a knee injury. Wilfork and Warren have been limited in practice as they deal with injuries.

It just keeps getting better and better. My heart breaks for Cassel, this is something that transcends playing football. He's got other things to deal with right now. I just wouldn't be surprised if he did wind up playing.

[cougarjake13]

wow tough times that you have to have the fat kid from stand by me starting for ya

[TheGameHHH]

wow tough times that you have to have the fat kid from stand by me starting for ya

Cassel was back at practice today and since services aren't scheduled till Monday I would assume he's gonna play. We'll see though

[TheGameHHH]

will this team be the first 11-5 team to not make the playoffs?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Think positive. Mangini will be coaching for his job on sunday, how little that means.

[Kevin]

will this team be the first 11-5 team to not make the playoffs?

You do have the SB losing curse on you..

Most teams that lose the SB do not make the playoffs the next year..

Though you have played much better than most of them. Most go like 3-13

[Earlshog]

will this team be the first 11-5 team to not make the playoffs?

the 85 Broncos were 11 - 5 and did not make it. (Back then 5 teams made the playoffs i/o six)

[underdog]

Fuck.

[cougarjake13]

will this team be the first 11-5 team to not make the playoffs?

85 broncos


oops earlshog got it

[TheGameHHH]

all things considered, im proud of the Pats this year. They overcame a lot and still battled to an 11-5 record. not being in the playoffs sucks, but you cant win all the time. and if the Jets didnt suck so fucking badly, maybe they'd be on the field next week.

see you all next year.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Exactly. Hey we get a mid round pick.

[JimmieHats]

all things considered, im proud of the Pats this year. They overcame a lot and still battled to an 11-5 record. not being in the playoffs sucks, but you cant win all the time. and if the Jets didnt suck so fucking badly, maybe they'd be on the field next week.

see you all next year.

That pretty much sums it up. Brady gone 7 minutes into the season, countless other injuries, Cassell getting his legs, etc etc. They still went 11-5. I honestly expected a .500 record if not worse. The depth of this team is outstanding, and they should feel good even though the season is over. Well done, Pats. Let the offseason madness begin.

[PD]

all things considered, im proud of the Pats this year. They overcame a lot and still battled to an 11-5 record. not being in the playoffs sucks, but you cant win all the time. and if the Jets didnt suck so fucking badly, maybe they'd be on the field next week.

see you all next year.
If the Jets didn't suck so fucking badly, they (the Jets) would be in the playoffs.

[Gwen]

I just don't understand how you can go 11-5 and not make the playoffs. It's aggravating.

[underdog]

I just don't understand how you can go 11-5 and not make the playoffs. It's aggravating.

Eh, its their own fault. If the Patriots had beaten the Colts like they should have, there would have been no problem.

Or actually had defeated the Jets the 2nd time.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

soooo


hey , hows it goin


Celtics and Bruins are kicking ass

[OGC]

I just don't understand how you can go 11-5 and not make the playoffs. It's aggravating.

Especially when a team that won only 8 wins did get into the playoffs

Eh, its their own fault. If the Patriots had beaten the Colts like they should have, there would have been no problem.

Or actually had defeated the Jets the 2nd time.

Yup, the Patriots would have been in the playoffs if they had taken care of business against Miami the first time or the Jets the second time.

I just hope they find a way to keep Cassell for next year and beyond.

[Fallon]

soooo


hey , hows it goin


Celtics and Bruins are kicking ass

Beat it you minus moderating me sports jinx!

:annoyed:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Beat it you minus moderating me sports jinx!

:annoyed:


the cool mods get kicked off first

you and Franklyn are pees in a pod

[TheGameHHH]

I just hope they find a way to keep Cassell for next year and beyond.

i've been trying to disect this problem for the past few days and really the Pats are in a little bit of a jam next season. ESPN keeps saying Brady is really behind and probably won't play next year. If that's the case, Cassel needs to be the starter. Now in order for that to happen they have two options, A) grossly overpay him or B) franchise him and pay the rate for his position. knowing the history of the Patriots organization they will choose option B, which is clearly the smart play. but what that does is add a ton of money to the books and lessens the chance they will sign some form of shut down corner (like that Adumdfkdsvnobe Nobijscjsncce guy from Oakland) or young linebacker. they can attempt to adress that problem in the draft but then you're drafting unproven rookies that might not even be ready to play in their first year. ultimately, this creates quite a problem for the Patriots and im unsure how they'll solve it.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Don't buy the hype. SI was reporting today he's well ahead of sched. I'm not worrying about it at all. If there is one team in boston I don't EVERY question it's the Pats. They have a tight ship. They leak out what they want. And if there is anyone who believes in the way things work there as much as Belichick it's Brady. He's not leaking.

[TheGameHHH]

Don't buy the hype. SI was reporting today he's well ahead of sched. I'm not worrying about it at all. If there is one team in boston I don't EVERY question it's the Pats. They have a tight ship. They leak out what they want. And if there is anyone who believes in the way things work there as much as Belichick it's Brady. He's not leaking.

oh im not fully buying into it either, but its just something that i do take interest in because it effects both my favorite team and player. nonetheless ESPN did have the curtousy at the end of the article to say that sources close to both Brady and the Patriots flat out deny any problems with his knee and insist he's right on schedule. ive also seen videos of him at their facility in foxborough peaking out of the weight room so if he's up there and in the weight room something has to be going right. time will tell though.

[Snoogans]

oh im not fully buying into it either, but its just something that i do take interest in because it effects both my favorite team and player. nonetheless ESPN did have the curtousy at the end of the article to say that sources close to both Brady and the Patriots flat out deny any problems with his knee and insist he's right on schedule. ive also seen videos of him at their facility in foxborough peaking out of the weight room so if he's up there and in the weight room something has to be going right. time will tell though.

Shouldnt you be rooting for the Titans now since they are number 1 seed?

[TheGameHHH]

Shouldnt you be rooting for the Titans now since they are number 1 seed?

dude, i fucking LOVE Kerry Collins.......GO TITANS!!!!!!!!!!! and i tried to jump on the N.O. Hornets bandwagon last season and you wouldnt let me.

[Snoogans]

dude, i fucking LOVE Kerry Collins.......GO TITANS!!!!!!!!!!! and i tried to jump on the N.O. Hornets bandwagon last season and you wouldnt let me.

You should thank me for that. They are drivin me nuts this year. Its been a hard road as a hornets fan, and I thought we turned the corner. But we havent improved so far this year and its a joke

[Fallon]

you and Franklyn are pees in a pod

TAKE IT BACK!!!!!!!!!!
:furious::furious::furious:

[OGC]

Now that Cleveland has tossed former Patriots coach Romeo Crennel to the curb, they have been granted permission to speak with Scott Pioli for GM and Josh McDaniels for head coach. (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1142013&srvc=sports&position=0)

Every year the Patriots coaching staff gets raped and every year they seem to bounce back, but I would be worried if Scott Pioli was to leave.

[JimBeam]

I posted this in the NFL thread but guess it belongs here

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I'm sure every team has it's insane fans that'll say anything when their teams don't win but some of these Patriot fans' claims are down right crazy :

http://barstoolsports.com/randomthou...yoffs_comments

I love the posts by the ant-Patriots fans w/ this being my favorite :

Not making the playoffs is a good thing. The Patriots organization has a couple of extra weeks to prepare for the draft, and Patriots fans have a couple of extra weeks to go fuck themselves.

[TheMojoPin]

Not making the playoffs is a good thing. The Patriots organization has a couple of extra weeks to prepare for the draft, and Patriots fans have a couple of extra weeks to go fuck themselves.

That is pure fucking gold.

Who is a Pats' fan here that I can use that as a mod quote for?

[cougarjake13]

That is pure fucking gold.

Who is a Pats' fan here that I can use that as amod quote for?

underdog or epchstein i think are pats fans

[JimmieJackson]

Now that Cleveland has tossed former Patriots coach Romeo Crennel to the curb, they have been granted permission to speak with Scott Pioli for GM and Josh McDaniels for head coach. (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1142013&srvc=sports&position=0)

Every year the Patriots coaching staff gets raped and every year they seem to bounce back, but I would be worried if Scott Pioli was to leave.

They say Peoli went and basically asked for stuff so nuts he will never get it, seemingly has no interest in going

[OGC]

It sure is liberating to not have my team in the playoffs. I am looking forward to not being tied to the television all weekend watching the games. Perhaps I'll spend some time with my wife or maybe I'll bond with my children.

[Snoogans]

It sure is liberating to not have my team in the playoffs. I am looking forward to not being tied to the television all weekend watching the games. Perhaps I'll spend some time with my wife or maybe I'll bond with my children.

that might be the biggest self lie ive ever read

[underdog]

Who is a Pats' fan here that I can use that as a mod quote for?

Fallon or lleeder.

underdog or epchstein i think are pats fans

I'm a Panthers fan, sir.

They say Peoli went and basically asked for stuff so nuts he will never get it, seemingly has no interest in going

Of course. Why would someone want to leave the Patriots to go to the Browns? Especially with someone with as much power as Pioli. He could probably get a job with any organization in the NFL at this point.

[OGC]

that might be the biggest self lie ive ever read


You takes your positives where you can find them.

[TheGameHHH]

go browns!!

[Kevin]

I say give it to every Pat fan on the board.

That will learn them not to root for cheaters.

[cougarjake13]

FRANCHISE TENDER WILL TRIGGER $14.4 MILLION PAYDAY FOR CASSEL
Posted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2009, 11:52 a.m.

A reader has forwarded to us the 2008 cap numbers for the five highest-paid quarterbacks, and we’ve confirmed via a league source that the numbers are indeed accurate.

Here they are: (1) Peyton Manning, $18,704,320; (2) Tom Brady, $14,621,320; (3) Carson Palmer, $13,980,001; (4) Eli Manning, $12,916,666; and (5) Brett Favre, $12,000,000.

It works out to an average of $14,444,461.40 — and that’s the amount of the one-year tender that the Patriots would have to extend to quarterback Matt Cassel if/when the franchise tag is applied to him.

Given that Brady’s cap number in 2009 will be $14,626,000, franchising Cassel will tie up more than $29 million in cap space in only two players.

[Dan 'Hampton]

They don't actually pay him that if they trade him. They just have to free that 14.4 up on the books when they tag him.

[cougarjake13]

They don't actually pay him that if they trade him. They just have to free that 14.4 up on the books when they tag him.

true but what if the do trade him and brady aint ready ??


you going with o connell ??

[underdog]

McDaniels is gone, Pioli is probably next.

Uh oh.

[TheGameHHH]

McDaniels is gone, Pioli is probably next.

Uh oh.

McDaniels leaving doesn't bother me, he deserves a shot. Pioli bolting concerns me.

[underdog]

McDaniels leaving doesn't bother me, he deserves a shot. Pioli bolting concerns me.

I just can't understand why he'd leave for the same position with the Chiefs. I get assistants leaving to be coaches, but why the lateral move to an inferior program?

[Snoogans]

I just can't understand why he'd leave for the same position with the Chiefs. I get assistants leaving to be coaches, but why the lateral move to an inferior program?

money

[underdog]

money

I can't imagine the Patriots wouldn't pay him what he wants. There's no "GM Salary Cap", so to underpay the most sought after front office guy in the league would be retarded.

Although, I wouldn't put it past Kraft.

[Snoogans]

I can't imagine the Patriots wouldn't pay him what he wants. There's no "GM Salary Cap", so to underpay the most sought after front office guy in the league would be retarded.

Although, I wouldn't put it past Kraft.

from what I have heard, the Pats are actually pretty stingy when it comes to paying coaches. One of the lower paying teams in the league from what I hear and read on the little information they let slip out.

If anything, the Pats are amazing at actually keeping shit in house

[Dan 'Hampton]

Pioli will get more power with the chiefs. Simple as that. Belichick had more power here than Pioli. I"m not worried in the least if A. Pioli leaves, B. McDaniels leaves, C. Cassel gets traded and Brady is out for more time.

[hammersavage]

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[Kevin]

Pioli will get more power with the chiefs. Simple as that. Belichick had more power here than Pioli. I"m not worried in the least if A. Pioli leaves, B. McDaniels leaves, C. Cassel gets traded and Brady is out for more time.

thats A and B so far

[cougarjake13]

thats A and B so far

c is prob gonna at least start the season



maybe get traded before trade deadline