Attractive Women with Unattractive Men

[TheMojoPin]

Conventionally unattractive man gets good-looking girl in the end. I almost walked out of Clerks for this very reason alone.

First of all, who was the "good-looking girl" in Clerks? I think Randall was technically the prettist girl there. And secondly, who ends up with this mysterious "good-looking girl?"

Personally, I've never walked out on a movie. I know my own tastes enough and read enough reviews to smell cinemtic turds like that from miles away and just simply avoid them. I never understand how people end up stuck watching films they hate.

[EliSnow]

First of all, who was the "good-looking girl" in Clerks? I think Randall was technically the prettist girl there. And secondly, who ends up with this mysterious "good-looking girl?"

I was thinking the same thing. Dante didn't have any girl by the end of the movie, and Randall was watching Tranny porn.

He had to mean Clerks II.

[TheMojoPin]

I was thinking the same thing. Dante didn't have any girl by the end of the movie, and Randall was watching Tranny porn.

He had to mean Clerks II.

Yeah, I assumed the same thing. Though I blame that more on Dante not laying off the pies for a few weeks.

[EliSnow]

Yeah, I assumed the same thing. Though I blame that more on Dante not laying off the pies for a few weeks.

I've decided that even if he meant Clerks II, he's off.

Yes, Rosario Dawson was out of Dante's league (in part because of "the pies"), but look at the writer/director. Kevin Smith is, by his own admission, a very heavy man, with no sense of any clothing style, and he has an attractive wife, who let him kneel behind her while she was getting ready to go out, and jack off looking at her ass and pussy.

Look at Ric Okasiek getting Paulina. Look at Lyle Lovett, and Julia Roberts.

So I say to you, FMJeff, nay on Clerks II. Nay.

[Drunky McBetidont]

I've decided that even if he meant Clerks II, he's off.

Yes, Rosario Dawson was out of Dante's league (in part because of "the pies"), but look at the writer/director. Kevin Smith is, by his own admission, a very heavy man, with no sense of any clothing style, and he has an attractive wife, who let him kneel behind her while she was getting ready to go out, and jack off looking at her ass and pussy.

Look at Ric Okasiek getting Paulina. Look at Lyle Lovett, and Julia Roberts FmJEff and Missy.
So I say to you, FMJeff, nay on Clerks II. Nay.

:wink:

[TheMojoPin]

Though the difference is, those are all dudes who are varying degrees of famous, and Dante is just some schlub working in a burger joint. Though then again, she's also just some schlub manaing a burger joint.

In the end it doesn't really bug me because I know plenty of women end up with guys that at first glance are way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under their league. Hell, most of them have dated me.

[EliSnow]

Though the difference is, those are all dudes who are varying degrees of famous, and Dante is just some schlub working in a burger joint. Though then again, she's also just some schlub manaing a burger joint.



True, but it's not like any of those chicks couldn't get good looking famous guys. That point would be more persuasive if the chicks themselves weren't famous.

But Paulina as a supermodel, and Julia as Julia Roberts, could get a lot of good looking famous guys (and Julia Roberts did, actually). But they did marry these famous schlubs.

[TheMojoPin]

True, but it's not like any of those chicks couldn't get good looking famous guys. That point would be more persuasive if the chicks themselves weren't famous.

But Paulina as a supermodel, and Julia as Julia Roberts, could get a lot of good looking famous guys (and Julia Roberts did, actually). But they did marry these famous schlubs.

Yeah, but Smith's wife was an entertainment reporter for USA Today. I think I'm technically more famous than she was.

[Knowledged_one]

I'm too shallow to go with that. I've broken up too many relaitonships over pop culture opinions.

Not you Mojo no way no how will i believe that, i could see over a disparaging remark about the cubs but not over pop culture unless they liked the spoof movies

But i have walked out of two movies - National Security and K-19 the Widowmaker which is the absolute worst film ever, i should have known when it said National Geographic in the opening credits

[badorties]

Though the difference is, those are all dudes who are varying degrees of famous, and Dante is just some schlub working in a burger joint. Though then again, she's also just some schlub manaing a burger joint.

In the end it doesn't really bug me because I know plenty of women end up with guys that at first glance are way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under their league. Hell, most of them have dated me.

jennifer schwalbach seemed a little out of his league, too ... what bothered me more, in each clerks movie, are the two attractive women vying for a whining schlep in a series of dead-end jobs

[mikeyboy]

2) Conventionally unattractive man gets good-looking girl in the end. I almost walked out of Clerks for this very reason alone. I am tired of writers/directors fulfilling fantasies through their own films. YOu can't get the hot girl in real life? Don't put it in your movie. Live vicariously some other way. There is a reason ugly guys fail to net the attractive girls in the real world. They're ugly. It's the same reason people don't buy the Pontiac Aztec or wear Cavaricci jeans anymore.



Jeff needs to take another look at his wedding photos.

[TheMojoPin]

jennifer schwalbach seemed a little out of his league, too ... what bothered me more, in each clerks movie, are the two attractive women vying for a whining schlep in a series of dead-end jobs

Where are the attractive women in the first one?

Jay is a dude.

[mikeyboy]

Where are the attractive women in the first one?

Jay is a dude.

What about the milk maid? grrrrrrrr...

[TheMojoPin]

What about the milk maid? grrrrrrrr...

That little girl buying the cigarettes was pretty hot, too.

[badorties]

Where are the attractive women in the first one?

Jay is a dude.

jay's beauty knows no gender (especially in the animated series)

early 90s jersey attractive ... which makes clerks 2 a bit off with their hollywood glamour

[FMJeff]

First of all, who was the "good-looking girl" in Clerks? I think Randall was technically the prettiest girl there. And secondly, who ends up with this mysterious "good-looking girl?"

Personally, I've never walked out on a movie. I know my own tastes enough and read enough reviews to smell cinematic turds like that from miles away and just simply avoid them. I never understand how people end up stuck watching films they hate.

Dante ending up with Rosario Dawson? Give me a break. Not in a million years. I guarantee he couldn't even get Kevin Smith's wife. Dante is a whining fag. Wah, my life isn't where it should be. Wah I'm working at a fast food restaurant in my mid 30's.

Dante is a semi-intelligent adult now. If he had any sense he'd have some low level paper pusher job that pays more than his gig at the fast food place. (and it seems he was intentionally written not to have any as he would not be a clerk anymore)

[FMJeff]

I was thinking the same thing. Dante didn't have any girl by the end of the movie, and Randall was watching Tranny porn.

He had to mean Clerks II.

Yeah I meant clerks II. sorry guise.

[FMJeff]

I've decided that even if he meant Clerks II, he's off.

Yes, Rosario Dawson was out of Dante's league (in part because of "the pies"), but look at the writer/director. Kevin Smith is, by his own admission, a very heavy man, with no sense of any clothing style, and he has an attractive wife, who let him kneel behind her while she was getting ready to go out, and jack off looking at her ass and pussy.

Look at Ric Okasiek getting Paulina. Look at Lyle Lovett, and Julia Roberts.

So I say to you, FMJeff, nay on Clerks II. Nay.

Let me help you understand why that is possible.

Kevin Smith = rich Hollywood director.
RIC OCASEK = rich lead singer
Lyle Lovett = rich american singer

[Furtherman]

See I can suspend my disbelief there b/c it was a piece of software used to design metal molecules. People come up with new polymers and what not all the time. What's to say an engineer from the future with a lifetime of experience can't teach a metal molecule designer software a new molecule?

And what's to say an engineer from the future would know how to work an Apple? A 1984 Apple.


Let me help you understand why that is possible.

Kevin Smith = rich Hollywood director.
RIC OCASEK = rich lead singer
Lyle Lovett = rich american singer

Bingo. These guys have the chicks because they have the money.

[EliSnow]

Let me help you understand why that is possible.

Kevin Smith = rich Hollywood director.
RIC OCASEK = rich lead singer
Lyle Lovett = rich american singer

Accept for Smith, the women they married were either equally or more famous than the schlub they married.

Paulina could have had richer, better looking guys than Ric Ocasek.

Julia Roberts could and has had richer, better looking guys than Lyle Lovett.

It would be one thing if these chicks were poor, non-celebrities who married nerds to hop on the wagon and get supported. That's not Paulina and that's not Julia Roberts. So the $ thing is a non-factor.

The Kevin Smith thing may work, but it doesn't for the others.

[underdog]

Let me help you understand why that is possible.

Kevin Smith = rich Hollywood director.
RIC OCASEK = rich lead singer
Lyle Lovett = rich american singer

Good looking girls date ugly guys that they are around at work or school all the time. Girls are much better at finding a personality of someone and slowly growing to be attracted to someone than guys are.

[Furtherman]

Good looking girls date ugly guys that they are around at work or school all the time. Girls are much better at finding a personality of someone and slowly growing to be attracted to someone than guys are until they meet an available rich guy

Finished that for you.

[FMJeff]

Accept for Smith, the women they married were either equally or more famous than the schlub they married.

Paulina could have had richer, better looking guys than Ric Ocasek.

Julia Roberts could and has had richer, better looking guys than Lyle Lovett.

It would be one thing if these chicks were poor, non-celebrities who married nerds to hop on the wagon and get supported. That's not Paulina and that's not Julia Roberts. So the $ thing is a non-factor.

The Kevin Smith thing may work, but it doesn't for the others.

Well Julia Roberts was relatively a new face in the industry when she married him. It was only 3 years after Pretty Woman. So she probably didn't have the financial stability she has now.

But that's besides the point. If you're a famous musician, looks are just not part of the equation. Women are naturally drawn to performers. Men who can command a crowd.

I would say lumping the lead singer of the Cars and a popular american singer together in the same group of guys as a loser like Dante is just inaccurate.

[EliSnow]

I would say lumping the lead singer of the Cars and a popular american singer together in the same group of guys as a loser like Dante is just inaccurate.

It's not equating these two to Dante, as comparing their relationships with their wives, and Dante's relationship with his girl.

Listen, I agree that it's a cliche on television shows and commercials showing schlubs with attractive wives, but it does happen in real life. And of all the valid movie cliches/problems you point out, I think this one's probably the least of a problem for me.

[Knowledged_one]

It's not equating these two to Dante, as comparing their relationships with their wives, and Dante's relationship with his girl.

Listen, I agree that it's a cliche on television shows and commercials showing schlubs with attractive wives, but it does happen in real life. And of all the valid movie cliches/problems you point out, I think this one's probably the least of a problem for me.

Like Leah Remini and Kevin James

[EliSnow]

Good looking girls date ugly guys that they are around at work or school all the time. Girls are much better at finding a personality of someone and slowly growing to be attracted to someone than guys are.

I think you may be right. Let's throw it to the group.

Do you think's it more likely that a guy will date/marry a woman out of his league (looks-wise), or that a girl will date/marry a man out of her league (looks-wise)?

[EliSnow]

Like Leah Remini and Kevin James

That was the example primarily in my mind when I wrote that post.

[FMJeff]

It's not equating these two to Dante, as comparing their relationships with their wives, and Dante's relationship with his girl.

Listen, I agree that it's a cliche on television shows and commercials showing schlubs with attractive wives, but it does happen in real life. And of all the valid movie cliches/problems you point out, I think this one's probably the least of a problem for me.

I'm not discounting it, I'm just not going ot watch a movie about a career loser going through the ACHES and PAINS of having to decide between two beautiful woman, neither of which even consider the possibility that he is an unattractive, slightly obese american male with no career goals and an equally sad hanger-on friend.

[underdog]

I think you may be right. Let's throw it to the group.

Do you think's it more likely that a guy will date/marry a woman out of his league (looks-wise), or that a girl will date/marry a man out of her league (looks-wise)?

I'm pretty average looking, but before I got married, I could get just about any girl to date or fuck me, if I had time to hang out with her. Girls are just, for the most part, way less superficial than guys.

[FMJeff]

I think you may be right. Let's throw it to the group.

Do you think's it more likely that a guy will date/marry a woman out of his league (looks-wise), or that a girl will date/marry a man out of her league (looks-wise)?

can we make another thread out of this so it doesnt derail the original purpose of my thread?

[EliSnow]

can we make another thread out of this so it doesnt derail the original purpose of my thread?

Yeah, I'll do it.

[Knowledged_one]

That was the example primarily in my mind when I wrote that post.

im starting to get you more and more every day

[mikeyboy]

Yeah, I'll do it.

Nah. I'll split it out.

[EliSnow]

We were talking about this subject on another thread, but what's more likely. A guy dating/marrying a girl out of his league looks wise, or a girl dating/marrying someone out of her league looks wise.

In other words, who's more superficial?

[DolaMight]

We were talking about this subject on another thread, but what's more likely. A guy dating/marrying a girl out of his league looks wise, or a girl dating/marrying someone out of her league looks wise.

In other words, who's more superficial?


It's in men's genetic code to marry out of their league. Genetic code designed to breed the ugly out of the species. Look at any rich guy, there's a golddigger to match.

The real question is who's more superficial, the rich dude or the golddigger? She gets to buy pretty things and he gets to feel pretty things. It's a tossup.

[EliSnow]

It's in men's genetic code to marry out of their league. Genetic code designed to breed the ugly out of the species. Look at any rich guy, there's a golddigger to match.

The real question is who's more superficial, the rich dude or the golddigger? She gets to buy pretty things and he gets to feel pretty things. It's a tossup.

Let's take the rich out of it, because obviously rich guys will get women out of their league easier.

How about your average guys/gals?

[Knowledged_one]

How about this i will pull back the curtain on myself

Im definetly not much and am currently trying to lose weight and everything to get back into the shape i was in playing football in college

About 3 or 4 years ago, i had lost my job and was in the process of getting a new one and went out with this girl who was Miss Serbia, we went out a few times and fooled around a good bit, then her mom got sick and she went back to serbia. Shes back now but i had moved cross country by then. I look back and wonder how i even pulled this off here is her picture

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/jcoleman76/missinternational2.jpg

and yes she really is that tall, she's 6'6" and wore 2" heels the night i met her i actually looked up to her, she also played basketball at maryland, and she was working as the St. Pauli girl for the company at local bars

[Furtherman]

Oh yea? Well I dated Ms. Kerplakistan. I'll post a picture.


Once I find one.

[topless_mike]

But that's besides the point. If you're a famous musician, looks are just not part of the equation. Women are naturally drawn to performers. Men who can command a crowd.


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/cowfishrule/appl.gif
oh wait- the wb invented that hoo hoo hoo


seriously. just axe Gvac (when he comes back) or JerseyRich.

[DiabloSammich]

How about this i will pull back the curtain on myself

Im definetly not much and am currently trying to lose weight and everything to get back into the shape i was in playing football in college

About 3 or 4 years ago, i had lost my job and was in the process of getting a new one and went out with this girl who was Miss Serbia, we went out a few times and fooled around a good bit, then her mom got sick and she went back to serbia. Shes back now but i had moved cross country by then. I look back and wonder how i even pulled this off here is her picture

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/jcoleman76/missinternational2.jpg

and yes she really is that tall, she's 6'6" and wore 2" heels the night i met her i actually looked up to her, she also played basketball at maryland, and she was working as the St. Pauli girl for the company at local bars



How tall are you, KO?

[Knowledged_one]

6'6" which is the primary reason i had a chance i think, she said she was tired of getting hit on by guys who are like 5'10

I was surprised the brothers on the terps mens team weren't railing her out, but she likes the whiteys

[DiabloSammich]

6'6"



Well, here's to the two of you staying together, and having beautiful superstar athelete children!

[ralphbxny]

Women cause Men stink!

[Death Metal Moe]

I've really started to despise those fucking stories where the akward guy ends up with an amazing chick at the end of it all. It fills young people's heads with this bullshit illusion that "There's someone for everyone."

Yea, well there's not. Life doesn't "Work out in the end." It fucking blows and people end up alone.

Fuck your fairytale ending.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK, let's ignore the money theory for a second.

Explain Diamond Dallas Page and Kimberly Page.

She had a masters from Northwestern and ended up with a club owner. The money he got was way, WAAAAAAY past them already being married.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've really started to despise those fucking stories where the akward guy ends up with an amazing chick at the end of it all. It fills young people's heads with this bullshit illusion that "There's someone for everyone."

Yea, well there's not. Life doesn't "Work out in the end." It fucking blows and people end up alone.

Fuck your fairytale ending.

DeathMetalJerryTaker?

[Hottub]

http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=2243

I rest.

[Death Metal Moe]

DeathMetalJerryTaker?

NO, I won't keep talking about it. But it's the truth. Life isn't rosey and it doesn't work out for the best all the time.

[Rockvillejoe]

men are visual, woman are not. they only see the amount of dough the jabroni makes, and they can be cared for in luxury. they also are into power, intelligence, and that intangible quality of sensuality. men are into big tits and blonde hair. all of a sudden i am deepak chopra.

[IamPixie]

I wasn't planning on posting in this thread...but I'll bite. I think men are generally more shallow than women. Personality is a huge factor in who I'm attracted to....That being said I still like to look at handsome man and feel a strong physical attraction based on that. It's the animal in me.

[DolaMight]

Let's take the rich out of it, because obviously rich guys will get women out of their league easier.

How about your average guys/gals?

Ok then, In my homeland I would say when I see a babe I'd probally say the dude lucked out but then I'm not sure I'm not biased or can aptly gauge a dude's equivalency factor. For the most part I've always noticed that people pretty much pan out. Ugly, mediocre, or hot, they find their opposite sex equivalent.

Money, power, sense of humor/wit, smartness, and fistfighting ability will all tilt the scale proportionaly for either gender, the attraction of compromise.

[EliSnow]

http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=2243

I rest.

That won the case, 'tub.

[mikeyboy]

http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=2243

I rest.

Haha. Miss the Impacts.

[grlNIN]

That little girl buying the cigarettes was pretty hot, too.

HAAA.

I worked with her and am friends with her.

I looooooooooove Fran!!!!!

[sailor]

chicks is less shallow.

[Justice4all]

Accept for Smith, the women they married were either equally or more famous than the schlub they married.

Paulina could have had richer, better looking guys than Ric Ocasek.

Julia Roberts could and has had richer, better looking guys than Lyle Lovett.

It would be one thing if these chicks were poor, non-celebrities who married nerds to hop on the wagon and get supported. That's not Paulina and that's not Julia Roberts. So the $ thing is a non-factor.

The Kevin Smith thing may work, but it doesn't for the others.

You DO know that Smiths wife was the chick who Dante was supposed to marry in Clerks II. The one who flashed Randall?
She was also in another one of his movies (surprise surprise) Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

[keithy_19]

I voted for women, but I am dating a girl who is so out of my league(in my mind anyway) that I should have voted for men. :flush:

[EliSnow]

You DO know that Smiths wife was the chick who Dante was supposed to marry in Clerks II. The one who flashed Randall?
She was also in another one of his movies (surprise surprise) Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

More than well aware.

But when she married Smith, her fame/wealth did not match Smith's. Unlike Paulina or Julia Roberts.

[A.J.]

Good looking girls date ugly guys that they are around at work or school all the time. Girls are much better at finding a personality of someone and slowly growing to be attracted to someone than guys are.

I wasn't planning on posting in this thread...but I'll bite. I think men are generally more shallow than women. Personality is a huge factor in who I'm attracted to....That being said I still like to look at handsome man and feel a strong physical attraction based on that. It's the animal in me.

That's true. I can't tell you how many times hot women I wanted to date told me "you're so funny and sweet -- I can't believe you're single!"

Maybe they were just intimidated by my gorgeous looks....

[TheMojoPin]

I really don't like having my name tacked onto such a halfassed thread/poll. MOD ABUSE.

[A.J.]

I really don't like having my name tacked onto such a halfassed thread/poll. MOD ABUSE.

It was like that when I got here.

[TheMojoPin]

You're out of control. When you almost choked Hottub to death at the staff meeting just by looking at him, I got nervous.

[PhishHead]

You're out of control. When you almost choked Hottub to death at the staff meeting just by looking at him, I got nervous.

I didn't i loved every second of it!

AJ FOR SUPER SUPER MOD!!

[mikeyboy]

Ok. This raises a somewhat unrelated question -- do people really find Kevin Smith's wife all that hot? I mean, sure, for a USA Today reporter, she's probably the bee's knees, but is she really that much of a head turner? She was kind of the odd chick out when decked out in tight leather with that jewel stealing gang in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. Glad you lucked out and were able to marry up, Kev, but I don't know that your wife is as hot as you think she is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ok. This raises a somewhat unrelated question -- do people really find Kevin Smith's wife all that hot? I mean, sure, for a USA Today reporter, she's probably the bee's knees, but is she really that much of a head turner? She was kind of the odd chick out when decked out in tight leather with that jewel stealing gang in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. Glad you lucked out and were able to marry up, Kev, but I don't know that your wife is as hot as you think she is.

She was OK in J&SBSB. But she is definitely NOT that hot in Clerks II. The blonde hair was not suited for her at all. It also kinda looks like she got a facelift.

Edit: Looking at pics, she definitely had something done; her entire faced changed weirdly between 2003 to now crossing the line from "yeah, I'd go for it" to "What the hell?"

[TheGameHHH]

Ok. This raises a somewhat unrelated question -- do people really find Kevin Smith's wife all that hot? I mean, sure, for a USA Today reporter, she's probably the bee's knees, but is she really that much of a head turner? She was kind of the odd chick out when decked out in tight leather with that jewel stealing gang in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. Glad you lucked out and were able to marry up, Kev, but I don't know that your wife is as hot as you think she is.

you're dead on here, she stuck out like a sore thumb in many of those scenes. shes an attractive chick, but no where near the level of Eliza or Ali. I'd rate her a 6 or 7 out of 10.

[lleeder]

me.

[mikeyboy]

me.

true.

me too.

[EffMeBoobs]

See this thread. (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62783&highlight=hot+chicks+with+douchebags)

[Team_Ramrod]

true.

me too.

C'mon, you know that's not entirely true.... well, I do anyway.

When I do my fleshnight at night it's 'Mikeyboy' that I scream.














I gave myself chills doing that.
I should have put that one in post purgatory