I hate when people say _____ when debating.

[fezident]

I'm one of the few people who admits when they are wrong.

If I'm debating something with you, and you say something logical or whatever, I will very often say "wow... well I didn't know that. That was a good point. I guess you're right." etc etc.
But some people DON'T do that. And I f'ing hate it.

Example:
When arguing the finer points, you could say "well, I've researched this fully and here are the facts. X-Y-Z. Additionally, I saw an expert on CNN say blahblah and he cited such and such a journal as a reference...."
And the other person will say:
"Yeah, but still..."


As if saying "yeah but still" can somehow counter the logic or facts that don't support his case.




EXAMPLE 2:
".... well I'd like to see YOU do it."

This one bugs the shit outta me.
I saw The Rolling Stones in concert. Mick Jaggers vox were god awful. Terrible. Yeah he had a lot of energy. Yeah he worked the crowd. But the quality of his voice was inexcusable. For 300 to 1000 bucks a ticket, the guy should be able to sustain a note.
Stones fans will say "well, I'd like to see YOU get up there and do it!"


1- Fuck you.
2- Okay. Gimme the mic. I just so happen to be a great singer. Happy now?
3- For that kind of money, he should be hitting each and every note with a hammer.
4- That's not my job. It's HIS job.
4- See numbers 1 through 4.




EXAMPLE 3
This one's the worst.
When somebody uses a total lack of logic.
"Can you substitute the chicken for the beef?
-"No... I can't."
"Please. They're the same price."
-"No, my manager won't allow it. I'd get fired."
"Can I speak to your manager?"
-"No, he's not here."
"WELL THEN HOW'S HE GONNA FIRE YOU?!!"
-"Whattya mean?"

It's like a retarded comedy sketch.



Anyway, this shit gets my blood boiling.
So.... what cop-out comeback always gets your pressure up?

[sailor]

i hate when people get stuck on 4

[fezident]

i hate when people get stuck on 4

Ha!
I'm not even gonna fix it.
I was so angry when I typed it... screw it.

[BoondockSaint]

Here's how I argue:

1. Drink liquor.
Suppose you are at a party and some hotshot intellectual is expounding on the economy of Peru, a subject you know nothing about.

If you're drinking some health-fanatic drink like grapefruit juice, you'll hang back, afraid to display your ignorance, while the hotshot enthralls your date.

But if you drink several large martinis, you'll discover you have STRONG VIEWS about the Peruvian economy. You'll be a WEALTH of information. You'll argue forcefully, offering searing insights and possibly upsetting furniture. People will be impressed. Some may leave the room.


2. Make things up.
Suppose, in the Peruvian economy argument, you are trying to prove that Peruvians are underpaid, a position you base solely on the fact that YOU are underpaid, and you'll be damned if you're going to let a bunch of Peruvians be better off. DON'T say: "I think Peruvians are underpaid." Say instead: "The average Peruvian's salary in 1981 dollars adjusted for the revised tax base is $1,452.81 per annum, which is $836.07 before the mean gross poverty level."

NOTE: Always make up exact figures.

If an opponent asks you where you got your information, make THAT up too. Say: "This information comes from Dr. Hovel T. Moon's study for the Buford Commission published on May 9, 1982. Didn't you read it?" Say this in the same tone of voice you would use to say, "You left your soiled underwear in my bathroom."


3. Use meaningless but weighty-sounding words and phrases.

Memorize this list:

"Let me put it this way.."
"In terms of..."
"Vis-a-vis..."
"Per se..."
"As it were..."
"Qua..."
"So to speak..."
You should also memorize some Latin abbreviations such as: "Q.E.D.", "e.g.", and "i.e." These are all short for "I speak Latin, and you don't."

Here's how to use these words and phrases. Suppose you want to say, "Peruvians would like to order appetizers more often, but they don't have enough money." You never win arguments talking like that. But you WILL win if you say, "Let me put it this way. In terms of appetizers vis-a-vis Peruvians qua Peruvians, they would like to order them more often, so to speak, but they do not have enough money per se, as it were. Q.E.D."

Only a fool would challenge that statement.


4. Use snappy and irrelevant comebacks.
You need an arsenal of all-purpose irrelevant phrases to fire back at your opponents when they make valid points. The best are:

"You're begging the question."
"You're being defensive."
"Don't compare apples to oranges."
"What are your parameters?"

This last one is especially valuable. Nobody (other than engineers and policy wonks) has the vaguest idea what "parameters" means. and don't forget the classic: YOU'RE SO LINEAR.

Here's how to use your comebacks:


You say: As Abraham Lincoln said in 1873...
Your opponent says: Lincoln died in 1865.
You say: You're begging the question.


You say: Liberians, like most Asians...
Your opponent says: Liberia is in Africa.
You say: You're being defensive.


5. Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler.
This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously right and you are spectacularly wrong. Bring Hitler up subtly. Say, "That sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say," or "You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler."

[joethebartender]

I hate it when people overuse the word "basically". Basically, suck my cock.

[TheMojoPin]

Cheese.

Pie.

Motorcycle.

Cloud.

Sasquatch.

[A.J.]

"working families"
"the American people"
"universal health care"

[fezident]

Cheese.

Pie.

Motorcycle.

Cloud.

Sasquatch.

Things I might see at summercamp? Umm... uhh.... things that smell? Things I might see in Carrot-tops act?

[Yerdaddy]

http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes-77/BreakfastClub27.jpeg

They ignore me.

[Rockvillejoe]

"it is what it is....." no sense at all.

[TeeBone]

"I represent all that is good with the democratic party..."


What's so good?

[topless_mike]

"are they like howard stern?" hoo hoo hoo

[EliSnow]

"You think Al Gore would have done any better?"

[IMSlacker]

"I understand that..."

[topless_mike]

not debate related, but the dreaded "does this make me look fat"

:wallbash:

[A.J.]

not debate related, but the dreaded "does this make me look fat"

:wallbash:

Well, it could be related. Her pantsuits aren't slimming.

http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0710/yaeger.jpg

[Knowledged_one]

PS3 pwns XBots w00t im l33t

[topless_mike]

PS3 pwns XBots w00t im l33t

does it?

[Knowledged_one]

does it?

I have an XBox 360 and so do a bunch of my friends

I prefer the 360 myself, but if blu-ray wins out i will buy the PS3

I personally dont get the people who feud over which video game system is better

Its like debating what messageboard is better

I preach video game system unity

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I have an XBox 360 and so do a bunch of my friends

I prefer the 360 myself, but if blu-ray wins out i will buy the PS3

I personally dont get the people who feud over which video game system is better

Its like debating what messageboard is better

I preach video game system unity

We should have a unity LAN party.

[DiabloSammich]

We're going to have to agree to disagree.


Pussy.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I fucking hate it when people put too much weight on shit that doesn't matter. I hate when people judge me on the basis of some personality quirk in my speech or they utterly misinterpret my words.

For example, one of my buddies considers being described as "nice" as being offensive. He yelled at me once in fact when I said I thought he was such. Why? Because his personal little definition of "nice" is "sub-standard, boring, provisional, unexceptional, not special, plain" etc. So sorry I can't read your mind Socrates, take that flagpole out your ass.

[Barroom Hero]

I hate it when people overuse the word "basically". Basically, suck my cock.

I'm bad about that one. I also over use "regardless". I want to punch myself everytime I do it.

I also hate arguing with well-read douchebags. They think that because they have read more historical fiction than you it makes them fucking geniuses. You have to watch them too because they will start making shit up when they see that you don't know about a situation.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I say 'incidentally' way too fucking much.

[Knowledged_one]

We should have a unity LAN party.

Awesome then we can share graphics memories from systems past

And we only have the Lan Party if we have PS3 and XBox 360 fans there, fuck those Wii people i dont like them

[topless_mike]

< og NES right here.
i'll call your surround sound and hd video with my 8-bit graphics and raise you
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/1757766008819633.JPG?0.21258012142042337

[Knowledged_one]

< og NES right here.
i'll call your surround sound and hd video with my 8-bit graphics and raise you
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/1757766008819633.JPG?0.21258012142042337

You think that scares me i still ahve my Atari 2600 and over 85 games including Adventure, Indiana Jones, ET, Combat, Real Sports Football and Baseball

And you dont even need the old school controllers (mine have broken) as a Sega Genesis controller works just fine

And my brother and i would have Atari offs, and play all of the games to see who could win the most

I also had the NES, SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, Sega 32x, the 3DO, PS1, PS2 and og XBox

[GonzoStyle]

check and mate

http://www.maniacworld.com/game_console_history/Colecovision_System.jpg

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Awesome then we can share graphics memories from systems past

And we only have the Lan Party if we have PS3 and XBox 360 fans there, fuck those Wii people i dont like them

Yeah I hear some of those people even have vaginas

[CofyCrakCocaine]

You think that scares me i still ahve my Atari 2600 and over 85 games including Adventure, Indiana Jones, ET, Combat, Real Sports Football and Baseball

And you dont even need the old school controllers (mine have broken) as a Sega Genesis controller works just fine

And my brother and i would have Atari offs, and play all of the games to see who could win the most

I also had the NES, SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, Sega 32x, the 3DO, PS1, PS2 and og XBox

The 3DO? Who would admit to having that EVER? You paid $700 for a system that had less games than the Sega CD.

[DiabloSammich]

check and mate

http://www.maniacworld.com/game_console_history/Colecovision_System.jpg


Fucking A, Gonzo! Colecovision is the only way to roll!

[TheMojoPin]

"My friends are knocking down my door/To get into my..."

http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/c64/h/complete.jpg

[Knowledged_one]

The 3DO? Who would admit to having that EVER? You paid $700 for a system that had less games than the Sega CD.

I got it towards the end of its run, and only paid $300 for it.

It did have two good games that i liked for it, Panzer General which was kick ass and some basketball game where the announcer would just keep saying Slammin and Jammin

Also on the Sega CD they had a cool war game for it

I would say the 32X was quite a failure as well

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah I hear some of those people even have vaginas

Girls playing video games whats next a black guy and woman running for president

[GonzoStyle]

Fucking A, Gonzo! Colecovision is the only way to roll!

I got the extra controller buddy, afterwards we can watch some episodes of small wonder and trade, garbage pail kid stickers!

[topless_mike]

dont forget the turbo grafix 16... bonk's adventure was the shit.



wait, what was the point of this thread?

[Knowledged_one]

dont forget the turbo grafix 16... bonk's adventure was the shit.



wait, what was the point of this thread?

ummm thats a good question, i think it was whether or not the PS3 fanboys should call XBox owners XBots

Did anyone have the Neo-Geo?