time travel

[topless_mike]

if you can travel back in time, where would you go?
for me:

a) 150 million years ago. i want to see a dinosaur
b) year 100AD- i want to travel and see what the US looked like before whitey invaded it.
c) 1975- i would hang out with steve jobs, give him suprise buttseckz, and buy all the apple stock i could.

[Chigworthy]

Dinosaurs were 6000 years ago. Everyone knows that.

[ralphbxny]

I wish I could go back 9800 posts be funny once!

But Id Settle for 1993 and try and get my life on a better path!

[Dougie Brootal]

i would go back to 10-12-2007, 11:04 AM and really think hard about starting a new thread.

[Death Metal Moe]

Time travel is impossible.

But if it wasn't I'd totally go back to the Middle Ages, get a suit of armor and rock it hard in present day.

[DolaMight]

Sorry no deal. No Ziggy, no time travel for me.

[HBox]

I'd go back to this morning and eat a better breakfast.

[Snoogans]

john titor, time traveler (http://www.johntitor.com/)

[Snoogans]

I would go back to the day i graduated HS, knowing what I know now. That would kick ass.

[DolaMight]

I'd go back to this morning and eat a better breakfast.

I'd go back to this morning and eat your breakfast while you weren't looking.

[HBox]

I'd go back to this morning and eat your breakfast while you weren't looking.

Why am I so starving? It's like I didn't eat breakfast or something........

[MadMatt]

I need some details on how I would be traveling through time and if it is a short trip or I can stay there.

First, is it physical time travel - ex: Terminator - or 'mental' time travel - ex: Quantum Leap. LSS, am I going back as myself or jumping back into somebody else's body?

Second, is it a short trip or can it be permanent? Will I have a predetermined return time or can I choose when to come back?

Third, do I have a limited number of trips or can I come and go as I please? There is a ton of stuff I would like to see/experience, but if I can only go back a couple of times that is going to change my choice(s).

Fourth, can I jump back into myself? Meaning, can I jump back to myself in high school and have the knowledge I have now? This possibility essentially assumes the 'Quantum Leap' style of time travel.

Fifth, am I jumping within the same timeline or am I jumping to alternate timelines? Meaning, if I jump back can my actions possibly screw up things in the present/future or am I jumping into a different timeline where my actions will not impact the 'main' timeline. Along these lines, if I am not jumping directly into an alternate timeline, will my actions in the past CREATE and alternate timieline (not an alteration of the primary timeline I came from).

Any clarification you can provide would be appreciated. :bye:

[furie]

john titor, time traveler (http://www.johntitor.com/)

great call back! i totally forgot about that hack!
I'd go back to the early 1700's. It's a time that has always held my attention

[Furtherman]

I'd go into the future, to see how we end up or how we ended ourselves.

[Death Metal Moe]

http://moodrabbit.com/images/time_travel.jpg

[topless_mike]

http://moodrabbit.com/images/time_travel.jpg

dont know whats worse... the ad or the mullet.
hot damn!

[Dingbat_Charlie]

dont know whats worse... the ad or the mullet.
hot damn!

worse? that mullet is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

[Death Metal Moe]

dont know whats worse... the ad or the mullet.
hot damn!

Business up front my friend. ALL business.

[topless_mike]

worse? that mullet is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

wonder if he's featured on
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/

[DolaMight]

wonder if he's featured on
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/

I don't even have to go there, yes he is. That picture is on t-shirts and bumperstickers everywhere. I know because I have a friend whose entire sense of humor revolves around mullets and napoleon dynamite, "Oh I see, mullet shampoo, ha.... that's funny".

Mullet humor is so '99.

[Dingbat_Charlie]

I used to play 'count the mullets' while waiting for connecting flights. It was fun to see which cities produced the highest mullet counts. This was in the early 90's, when mulletry still ran deep in even major metropolitan areas.

In my experience Philadelphia, at least among major cities, won the mullet crown.

[DolaMight]

I used to play 'count the mullets' while waiting for connecting flights. It was fun to see which cities produced the highest mullet counts. This was in the early 90's, when mulletry still ran deep in even major metropolitan areas.

In my experience Philadelphia, at least among major cities, won the mullet crown.

Yeah Joe Dirt ruined it for everybody. Mullet owners were forced to become introspective.

[midwestjeff]

I would go back in time and gather up famous people so that me and my friend Ted can pass our oral history exam and keep Ted's dad from sending him to military school, thus keeping the Wyld Stallyns together forever. That would be most excellent.

[DolaMight]

I would go back in time and gather up famous people so that me and my friend Ted can pass our oral history exam and keep Ted's dad from sending him to military school, thus keeping the Wyld Stallyns together forever. That would be most excellent.

I get it, back to the future rules.

[topless_mike]

In my experience Philadelphia, at least among major cities, won the mullet crown.

it figures. philthy-ass hick town. the people there suck, so do the teams, and the whole city in general.

[cougarjake13]

to the time of jesus

so i can see if everyone is just wasting their time

[joethebartender]

I'd go back to 03/06/2007. With these numbers burned into memory...16 22 29 39 42 Power ball: 20.

Too bad Rob and Big already ruined the dream for us all.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/rob_and_big/season2/assets/images/flipbooks/episodes/202/fb02.jpg

I still had hope when Chris Elliot was able to do it with "Time Juice":

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0399/chris4.jpghttp://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0399/chris5.jpg

[Chigworthy]

I'd go back to 03/06/2007. With these numbers burned into memory...16 22 29 39 42 Power ball: 20.

Too bad Rob and Big already ruined the dream for us all.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/rob_and_big/season2/assets/images/flipbooks/episodes/202/fb02.jpg

I still had hope when Chris Elliot was able to do it with "Time Juice":

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0399/chris4.jpghttp://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0399/chris5.jpg

Is this post from the future? I can't understand anything about it.

[Furtherman]

it figures. philthy-ass hick town. the people there suck, so do the teams, and the whole city in general.

Awww, someone from Philadelphia beat you up?

[WampusCrandle]

travel back to go to WoodStock '69, Pearl Harbor, and stab bill gates while in the womb - that will teach him to be better than me

[Snoogans]

http://moodrabbit.com/images/time_travel.jpg

Ice, Ice Time Travel


VANILLA ICE ICE TIME TRAVEL

[Furtherman]

The world's first time machine? Tunnel to the past could open door to future within three months (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=512733&in_page_id=1770)

The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) hopes its "atom-smashing" tests -which aim to recreate the conditions in the first billionth of a second after the "Big Bang'" created everything - will shed invaluable light on the origins of the universe.

But Irina Aref'eva and Igor Volovich, of Moscow's Steklov Mathematical Institute, say the energy produced by forcing tiny particles to collide at close to the speed of light could open the door to visitors from the future.

Maybe Gvac will visit. Let us know what's happening in 40 days.

[Furtherman]

"I now had a completed theory for time travel to the past"

I just got done reading this book, Time Traveler by Dr. Ronald Mallett (http://www.amazon.com/Time-Traveler-Scientists-Personal-Mission/dp/156858363X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206394190&sr=8-1).

If anyone is going to do it, he will. In fact, he even has a patent on a time machine.

His story is mostly an autobiographical one, starting with the longing notion to see his father again, who died when he was 10.

He does have a working theory on time travel, and none of his colleagues, or any other physicists, can punch holes in it.

We're no where near sending an actually person back in time. But, and Dr. Mallett feels this will happen soon, we can send back a particle or information. A message perhaps.

It's a short (200 pages) and easy read.

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14830000/14839002.JPG

[Stankfoot]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/timetunnel.jpg

[high fly]

They occasionally have segments on time travel on the Coast to Coast radio show.
Sometimes they will open up a phone line for time travellers to call in.
Most of the calls are quite lame, claiming to be from far in the future and saying they have come back on a school history project.....

Given the chance, I'd like to check nearly any period in history.
I'd like to have been at the top of a mast on one of the ships at Trafalgar.
I'd like to have been there when my ancestors came here in 1640.
I'd have liked to have seen and followed the arrival of Cortez.
It would be mighty interesting to be in the court of Louis XIII.
I'd like to have been in Paris in the 20s and banged Kiki Montparnasse.
But if going back to those times would not be possible, I'd glady settle for going back o my teen years and my 20s and gotten laid a few times when shyness or distraction on my part caused me to miss an opportunity...

[cougarjake13]

id go back to the primordial ooze

[Radioguy]

We're no where near sending an actually person back in time. But, and Dr. Mallett feels this will happen soon, we can send back a particle or information. A message perhaps.

That's about the most anyone can possibly expect. I remember a couple of years ago that the London Times or some other reputable paper reported a UK study stating, categorically, that anything beyond a transmission would be impossible.

That alone would spell doom for us all, and of course, such helpful transmissions could still go unnoticed until it's too late.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5008/princeofdarknessik8.jpg

[PapaBear]

If we were ever able to send a message back in time, wouldn't we receive the message from the future before we ever figured out how to send it to the past?

[sr71blackbird]

I would like to set it up where we hold the future hostage. We threaten to detonate nuclear bombs at midnight unless future time travelers show up to stop it and prove time travel is possible!!

[Furtherman]

If we were ever able to send a message back in time, wouldn't we receive the message from the future before we ever figured out how to send it to the past?

We would receive the message as soon as the time machine was turned on. The message would only be able to go back to the exact moment the machine was activated. It could go back no further because there would be no machine to receive the transmission.

One possible scenario for this to help us would be a space mission, say, to Mars. One time machine goes with the mission, and one stays at command. Command turns on the machine and if anything went wrong with the mission, they would know and be able to correct any mistake that was going to happen. In theory.

[Furtherman]

We would receive the message as soon as the time machine was turned on. The message would only be able to go back to the exact moment the machine was activated. It could go back no further because there would be no machine to receive the transmission.

Well whaddya know...

Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/06/scitime106.xml)

...the European particle physics centre near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the world's first time machine, reports New Scientist.

The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because travelling into the past is only possible - if it is possible at all - as far back as the point of creation of the first time machine.

That means 2008 could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel, they argue.

[IamFogHat]

Well whaddya know...

Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/06/scitime106.xml)

Um, if this is true, shouldn't it be the scariest news we've ever heard? Where is Mike the Teacher, I need this explained to me and why we should or should not be worried.

[Furtherman]

Um, if this is true, shouldn't it be the scariest news we've ever heard? Where is Mike the Teacher, I need this explained to me and why we should or should not be worried.

To be fair, I used the same shock headline as the article, but it's unlikely that a person would be the time traveler.

However, the current theory, that no one has disproved, is that it might be possible for information to be sent back.

So... in theory, would could get a message from the future. But that is unlikely as well. Just a follow-up to my previous post.


Although... what if I was meant to bring this information to ronfez.net? What if this is the beginning of a time loop!

[jafter]

http://www.jhallman.com/bttfprops/images/stories/props/p2_almanac.jpg


Let's go to Vegas

[jafter]

http://www.jhallman.com/bttfprops/images/stories/props/p2_almanac.jpg


Let's go to Vegas 1955

[Furtherman]

Jafter needs to go back in time and edit this double post.

[Mike Teacher]

Um, if this is true, shouldn't it be the scariest news we've ever heard? Where is Mike the Teacher, I need this explained to me and why we should or should not be worried.

OK I'm here. Now let me find someone who knows what theyre talking about.

I cant; you'll have to do with my ham and egger opinion.

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This is not new; this has been a plot point in several books and movies, that we will someday build a collider/machine so powerful it creates a black hole that sucks the earth up, or we rip open the fabric of space-time and The Mist comes down from the Arrowhead Project and next thing, Mrs. Carmody is getting the other customers chanting 'Expiate!'

I'd put this under 'highly unlikely but I hope the experts have checked this shit out'

When the Manhattan Project geared up and they went out to Alamagordo to test The Bomb to make sure they werent gonna drop a big radioactive dud on the enemy, several scientists were concerned the explosion might ignite the atmosphere of the planet. Bad times. We found it didn't. But what if...

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As to time travel...

We are traveling through time, into the future, at the rate of one second per second.

In quantum mechanics, in particle physics, we see events occuing that make us say: it would seem there are parts of nature where the flow of time is not what we see day to day: past to present to future. There are parts of the sub-atomic world where there is no distinction between 'past' and 'future' whatsoever.

Q: Why do we have access to the past and not the future?

Q: Why do we believe our actions influence the future, but not the past?

Coz, again, in the quantum world, again, it looks real good that Nature does this.

But its micro and macro; In short, as Penrose said, if an electron can be in two places at the same time [it can, it must, physics breaks down if it isnt], why can't humans?

Oops thats superposition, we were talking epistemic temporal access. I must eschew polemic obfuscation.

[Stankfoot]

"The theory is highly mathematical and arcane but, at its simplest, Prof Ori's time machine has to create a "doughnut" of spacetime."

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/homer-donut.gif

Can you put a weeble in it?

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[Furtherman]

*bump*


For today's discussion.

[Furtherman]

"I now had a completed theory for time travel to the past"

I just got done reading this book, Time Traveler by Dr. Ronald Mallett (http://www.amazon.com/Time-Traveler-Scientists-Personal-Mission/dp/156858363X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206394190&sr=8-1).

If anyone is going to do it, he will. In fact, he even has a patent on a time machine.

His story is mostly an autobiographical one, starting with the longing notion to see his father again, who died when he was 10.

He does have a working theory on time travel, and none of his colleagues, or any other physicists, can punch holes in it.

We're no where near sending an actually person back in time. But, and Dr. Mallett feels this will happen soon, we can send back a particle or information. A message perhaps.

It's a short (200 pages) and easy read.

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14830000/14839002.JPG

Or you could wait for the movie...

Spike Lee Helming Time Traveler
Source: Variety June 18, 2008

Spike Lee will co-write and direct Time Traveler, a feature adaptation of a memoir by Ronald Mallett, one of the nation's first African-Americans to earn a Ph.D in theoretical physics.

Variety says Lee has acquired "Time Traveler: A Scientist's Personal Mission to Make Time Travel a Reality" and set up the project through his Forty Acres & A Mule Filmworks.

Mallett, who wrote the book with Bruce Henderson, recounts his rise from poverty to a distinguished academic and scientific career, and it lays out the technical specs for what Mallett envisions as a workable time machine. Developing a time machine became an obsession for Mallett from the age of 10 after his father's death. His goal was to travel back in time to save his father.

[Furtherman]

I saw this story at the beginning of the week but now reputable journals are picking it up, so there's something to it...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/17/article-1096959-02D4C469000005DC-328_468x299.jpg

Mystery as century-old Swiss watch discovered in ancient tomb sealed for 400 years (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1096959/Mystery-century-old-Swiss-watch-discovered-ancient-tomb-sealed-400-years.html)

Archaeologists are stumped after finding a 100-year-old Swiss watch in an ancient tomb that was sealed more than 400 years ago.

They believed they were the first to visit the Ming dynasty grave in Shangsi, southern China, since its occupant's funeral.

But inside they uncovered a miniature watch in the shape of a ring marked 'Swiss' that is thought to be just a century old.

[Furtherman]

http://i.imgur.com/TDmNr.jpg

[Furtherman]

OK, I can't imagine what this might be, but you gotta admit the mannerisms are shockingly coincidental.

The footage starts at 1:30.


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This short film is about a piece of footage I (George Clarke) found behind the scenes in Charlie Chaplins film 'The Circus'. Attending the premiere at Manns Chinese Theatre in Hollywood, CA - the scene shows a large woman dressed in black with a hat hiding most of her face, with what can only be described as a mobile phone device - talking as she walks alone.

I have studied this film for over a year now - showing it to over 100 people and at a film festival, yet no-one can give any explanation as to what she is doing.

My only theory - as well as many others - is simple... a time traveler on a mobile phone. See for yourself and feel free to leave a comment on your own explanation or thoughts about it.

[deliciousV]

So who the fuck is she talking too? It's no fun unless there are others.

[Snoogans]

So who the fuck is she talking too? It's no fun unless there are others.

duh, its pretty obvious:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:F7vgWhX1cDSTIM:http://www.impawards.com/1994/posters/timecop.jpg&t=1

[Furtherman]

So who the fuck is she talking too? It's no fun unless there are others.

To her time traveling companion to find out what time Steamboat Willie starts.

[Furtherman]

http://reactorfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/abyc000a00fa_thumb.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

OK, I can't imagine what this might be, but you gotta admit the mannerisms are shockingly coincidental.

The footage starts at 1:30.


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God dammit, who made hanso a mod?

[Crash]

I spent over six hours going over this clip in great detail. After careful analysis, I believe I have translated what she's saying while in frame. It appears to be:

"A Cooky O' Puss then. Cookychic, anybody man, I want to speak to them!"

Not sure what that means.

[Furtherman]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SSM5hgOsb1c/SsIFyruRe4I/AAAAAAAADGs/Im9Dkna1P5c/s512/p8270730.jpg

The time traveler on the phone in 1928 is an impressive piece of film. However, even the Greeks had trouble getting reception on their cell phones, demonstrated here by Apollo.

[A.J.]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SSM5hgOsb1c/SsIFyruRe4I/AAAAAAAADGs/Im9Dkna1P5c/s512/p8270730.jpg

The time traveler on the phone in 1928 is an impressive piece of film. However, even the Greeks had trouble getting reception on their cell phones, demonstrated here by Apollo.

It was probably all of that static.

http://storage.msn.com/x1pqH4b6poLvbidMovzli3oMg7WtHF2NcJ1GPxGsIjGSLYlil5 PPt70QA0f0GHLn7TyB2VdxUuJlHuwTOOGFargtD3B1bpOJLROC DSGVP_JuGIAqA8Q0SrY5w

[Misteriosa]

i say she was holding her head or something. her hands look empty as she starts to turn around.

but then again, maybe she was using one of these:

http://philkickinit.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/will.jpg

[Furtherman]

Large Hadron Collider Could Be World's First Time Machine (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315163330.htm)

If the latest theory of Tom Weiler and Chui Man Ho is right, the Large Hadron Collider -- the world's largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year -- could be the first machine capable of causing matter to travel backwards in time.

[Furtherman]

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/images/feed_assets/4dcaef953c14f.jpg

[cougarjake13]

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/images/feed_assets/4dcaef953c14f.jpg



nice i wonder if he showed up

[disneyspy]

I spent over six hours going over this clip in great detail. After careful analysis, I believe I have translated what she's saying while in frame. It appears to be:

"A Cooky O' Puss then. Cookychic, anybody man, I want to speak to them!"

Not sure what that means.

maybe she was talking to her cat

[cougarjake13]

maybe she was talking to her cat

i mean in that time theres nothing else i can think of that shed be doing that has the similar motion to talking on the phone



only conclusion has to be someone edited a modern day woman into the clip

[disneyspy]

i mean in that time theres nothing else i can think of that shed be doing that has the similar motion to talking on the phone



only conclusion has to be someone edited a modern day woman into the clip

or she's a time traveler,by the way,i just posted this message from 1992

[StanUpshaw]

Time travel related, I guess: General Relativity Proven Experimentally (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/110505-einstein-theories-confirmed-gravity-probe-nasa-space-science/)

[jonyrotn]

I spent over six hours going over this clip in great detail. After careful analysis, I believe I have translated what she's saying while in frame. It appears to be:

"A Cooky O' Puss then. Cookychic, anybody man, I want to speak to them!"

Not sure what that means.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f326/hotnsexxylover4you21/CookiePuss.gif
She didn't even mention Fudgey The Whale?

[thepaulo]

I'm starting to read Hawking's new book, The Grand Design. He gives a full explanation.

[cougarjake13]

or she's a time traveler,by the way,i just posted this message from 1992

and mine was from 95 so u went back to 92 didnt see it went to 96 saw it and went back to 92

[cougarjake13]

I'm starting to read Hawking's new book, The Grand Design. He gives a full explanation.

of the lady in the movie ??

[StanUpshaw]

I'd pay cash money to see Paul O describe time travel. That's what your next movie should be. You at a chalkboard in front of a high school class, sweaty, lecturing them in theoretical physics.

[TheGameHHH]

http://reactorfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/abyc000a00fa_thumb.jpg

i love this photo and want it to be real so badly

[StanUpshaw]

i love this photo and want it to be real so badly

If it hasn't been proven fake yet, I doubt it's going to be.

[Crispy123]

for those that think my ideas about belief in the future requiring faith is just pot talk and that there is some kind of absolute scientific proof about the nature of time, here are some links:

Is Time an Illusion? (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-time-an-illusion)

The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring right now—they are like a map without the “you are here” symbol. The present moment does not exist in them, and therefore neither does the flow of time. Additionally, Albert Einstein’s theories of relativity suggest not only that there is no single special present but also that all moments are equally real [see “That Mysterious Flow,” by Paul Davies; Scientific American, September 2002]. Fundamentally, the future is no more open than the past.

Time in physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_physics)

Arrow of time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time)

Reversible laws of motion and the arrow of time (http://www.nyu.edu/classes/tuckerman/stat.mech/lectures/lecture_3/node2.html)

One of the implications of time reversal symmetry is as follows: Suppose a system is evolved forward in time starting from some initial condition up to a maximum time t; at t, the evolution is stopped, the sign of the velocity of each particle in the system is reversed, i.e., a time reversal transformation is performed, and the system is allowed to evolve once again for another time interval of length t; the system will return to its original starting point in phase space, i.e., the system will return to its initial condition. Now from the point of view of mechanics and the microcanonical ensemble, the initial conditions (for the first segment of the evolution) and the conditions created by reversing the signs of the velocities for initiating the second segment are equally valid and equally probably, both being points selected from the constant energy hypersurface. Therefore, from the point of view of mechanics, without a priori knowledge of which segment is the forward evolving trajectory and which is the time reversed trajectory, it should not be possible to say which is which. That is, if a movie of each trajectory were to be made and shown to an ignorant observer, that observer should not be able to tell which is the forward-evolving trajectory and which the time-reversed trajectory. Therefore, from the point of view of mechanics, which obeys time-reversal symmetry, there is not preferred direction for the flow of time.

Yet our everyday experience tells us that there are plenty of situations in which a system seems to evolve in a certain direction and not in the reverse direction, suggesting that there actually is a preferred direction in time. Some common examples are a glass falling to the ground and smashing into tiny pieces or the sudden expansion of a gas into a large box. These processes would always seem to occur in the same way and never in the reverse (the glass shards never reassemble themselves and jump back onto the table forming an unbroken glass, and the gas particles never suddenly all gather in one corner of the large box). This seeming inconsistency with the reversible laws of mechanics is known as Loschmidt's paradox. Indeed, the second law of thermodynamics, itself, would seem to be at odds with the reversibility of the laws of mechanics. That is, the observation that a system naturally evolves in such a way as to increase its entropy cannot obviously be rationalized starting from the microscopic reversible laws of motion.

Loschmidt's paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loschmidt%27s_paradox)

[keithy_19]

The Mysterious Flow. Sounds like my girlfriend!

[IamFogHat]

http://screeninvasion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/once-before1.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

Holy shit. I'm arguing with someone who bases his life on What the Fuck Do We Know. That's fucking delicious.

[Crispy123]

Arguing would require you to present a position and defend it. What you are doing is simply attacking my character. Which is a classic logical fallacy called Ad hominem:

Ad Hominem (Personal Attack) (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/ad-hominem/)

The other type of ad hominem argument is a form of genetic fallacy. Arguments of this kind focus not on the evidence for a view but on the character of the person advancing it; they seek to discredit positions by discrediting those who hold them. It is always important to attack arguments, rather than arguers, and this is where arguments that commit the ad hominem fallacy fall down.

but you are the king of logical fallacies and probably already knew that! :king:

[StanUpshaw]

Arguing would require you to present a position and defend it. What you are doing is simply attacking my character. Which is a classic logical fallacy called Ad hominem:

Ad Hominem (Personal Attack) (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/ad-hominem/)



but you are the king of logical fallacies and probably already knew that! :king:

Why would I argue about it? That's what the physicists are for. I get to sit back and laugh at you for believing a stupid fantasy movie.

[Crispy123]

Why would I argue about it? That's what the physicists are for. I get to sit back and laugh at you for believing a stupid fantasy movie.

What movie? And for the record, you stated that you are arguing. I am the one who pointed out that you are in fact, not.

Holy shit. I'm arguing with someone who bases his life on What the Fuck Do We Know. That's fucking delicious.

[StanUpshaw]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know!%

Scientists who have reviewed What the Bleep Do We Know!? have described distinct assertions made in the film as pseudoscience. Amongst the assertions in the film that have been challenged are that water molecules can be influenced by thought (as popularized by Masaru Emoto), that meditation can reduce violent crime rates, and that quantum physics implies that "consciousness is the ground of all being." The film was also discussed in a letter published in Physics Today that challenges how physics is taught, saying teaching fails to "expose the mysteries physics has encountered [and] reveal the limits of our understanding." In the letter, the authors write "the movie illustrates the uncertainty principle with a bouncing basketball being in several places at once. There's nothing wrong with that. It's recognized as pedagogical exaggeration. But the movie gradually moves to quantum 'insights' that lead a woman to toss away her antidepressant medication, to the quantum channeling of Ramtha, the 35,000-year-old Lemurian warrior, and on to even greater nonsense." It went on to say that "Most laypeople cannot tell where the quantum physics ends and the quantum nonsense begins, and many are susceptible to being misguided," and that "a physics student may be unable to convincingly confront unjustified extrapolations of quantum mechanics," a shortcoming which the authors attribute to the current teaching of quantum mechanics, in which "we tacitly deny the mysteries physics has encountered."

Richard Dawkins stated that "the authors seem undecided whether their theme is quantum theory or consciousness. Both are indeed mysterious, and their genuine mystery needs none of the hype with which this film relentlessly and noisily belabours us", concluding that the film is "tosh." Professor Clive Greated wrote that "thinking on neurology and addiction are covered in some detail but, unfortunately, early references in the film to quantum physics are not followed through, leading to a confused message". Despite his caveats, he recommends that people see the movie, stating, "I hope it develops into a cult movie in the UK as it has in the US. Science and engineering are important for our future, and anything that engages the public can only be a good thing." Simon Singh called it pseudoscience and said the suggestion "that if observing water changes its molecular structure, and if we are 90% water, then by observing ourselves we can change at a fundamental level via the laws of quantum physics" was "ridiculous balderdash." According to João Magueijo, professor in theoretical physics at Imperial College, the film deliberately misquotes science. The American Chemical Society's review criticizes the film as a "pseudoscientific docudrama", saying "Among the more outlandish assertions are that people can travel backward in time, and that matter is actually thought."

Bernie Hobbs, a science writer with ABC Science Online, explains why the movie is wrong about quantum physics and reality; "The observer effect of quantum physics isn't about people or reality. It comes from the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and it's about the limitations of trying to measure the position and momentum of subatomic particles... this only applies to sub-atomic particles—a rock doesn't need you to bump into it to exist. It's there. The sub-atomic particles that make up the atoms that make up the rock are there too." Hobbs also discusses Hagelin's experiment with Transcendental Meditation and the Washington DC rate of violent crime, saying that "the number of murders actually went up." Hobbs also disputed the film's use of the ten percent myth.

David Albert, a philosopher of physics who appears in the film, has accused the filmmakers of selectively editing his interview to make it appear that he endorses the film's thesis that quantum mechanics is linked with consciousness. He says he is "profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum mechanics with consciousness." These issues relate to the so called Quantum mind-body problem.

In the film, during a discussion of the influence of experience on perception, Candace Pert notes a story, which she says she believes is true, of Native Americans being unable to see Columbus's ships because they were outside their experience. According to an article in Fortean Times by David Hambling, the origins of this story likely involved the voyages of Captain James Cook, not Columbus, and an account related by Robert Hughes which said Cook's ships were "...complex and unfamiliar as to defy the natives' understanding". Hambling says it is likely that both the Hughes account and the story told by Pert were exaggerations of the records left by Captain Cook and the botanist Joseph Banks. Historians believe the Native Americans likely saw the ships but ignored them as posing no immediate danger.

Skeptic James Randi described the film as "a fantasy docudrama" and "[a] rampant example of abuse by charlatans and cults."The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry dismisses it as "a hodgepodge of all kinds of crackpot nonsense," where "science [is] distorted and sensationalized."A BBC reviewer described it as "a documentary aimed at the totally gullible."

According to Margaret Wertheim, "History abounds with religious enthusiasts who have read spiritual portent into the arrangement of the planets, the vacuum of space, electromagnetic waves and the big bang. But no scientific discovery has proved so ripe for spiritual projection as the theories of quantum physics, replete with their quixotic qualities of uncertainty, simultaneity and parallelism." Werteim continues that the movie "abandons itself entirely to the ecstasies of quantum mysticism, finding in this aleatory description of nature the key to spiritual transformation. As one of the film’s characters gushes early in the proceedings, “The moment we acknowledge the quantum self, we say that somebody has become enlightened." A moment in which "the mathematical formalisms of quantum mechanics [...] are stripped of all empirical content and reduced to a set of syrupy nostrums".

Journalist John Gorenfeld, writing in Salon, notes that the film's three directors are students of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, which he describes as having been called a "cult."

Praise Ramtha, brother. :clap:

[Crispy123]

so my links to Scientific American, NYU, and wikipedia are referencing some movie I have never even heard of???

Congratulations we have a NEW logical fallacy! Ladies and gentlemen StanUpshaw presents the Red Herring!!! :thumbdown:

Red Herring (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/red-herring/)

The red herring is as much a debate tactic as it is a logical fallacy. It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when a listener attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by introducing another topic. This can be one of the most frustrating, and effective, fallacies to observe.

[StanUpshaw]

Right. I'm sure you developed your theories after all your years at MIT studying quantum theory. fuck off.

[Crispy123]

back to the ad hominem, boooooooo!!! I thought you were better than that Stanny???


(pssst...those aren't my theories, hence the links!)

[StanUpshaw]

I believe that humans are really batteries and we're all living inside a computer simulation.

The Matrix? Never heard of it.

[Furtherman]

Right. I'm sure you developed your theories after all your years at MIT studying quantum theory. fuck off.

Settle down, Cypher.

[Crispy123]

I believe that humans are really batteries and we're all living inside a computer simulation.

The Matrix? Never heard of it.

remember now Stanny, in an argument you have to DEFEND your position. that's kind of an important part.

[StanUpshaw]

remember now Stanny, in an argument you have to DEFEND your position. that's kind of an important part.

What's there to defend? You watched a movie, believed the laughable shit within, and are now lying about it.

[deliciousV]

so when he's not in the drunk thread Crispy hangs out here, in the Pot Talk thread. good to know

[Crispy123]

What's there to defend? You watched a movie, believed the laughable shit within, and are now lying about it.

I have never seen this movie. I have read books and websites on the subject.

I am a pilot and navigator with over 4000 flight hours. Time is an important concept to me. One that I have studied and dealt with in depth for the last 14 or so years.

And if this were an actual argument you would defend your human batteries, matrix b.s.

[StanUpshaw]

And yet you haven't figured out that the quantum world is different from the macro world?

[Crispy123]

Jesus, what do I have to do to get you to have a discussion on the fucking matter???

By your statements in the random throughts thread I would think that your favorite scientist is Miss Cleo.

Please Stan, for the love of God and all that is holy, defend your position that there is scientific proof of the future.

[StanUpshaw]

Entropy.

q.e.d.

[Crispy123]

so you are incapable of a logical discussion on the matter or, apparently, it is a reading comprehension problem, got it.

FYI, Loschmidt's paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loschmidt%27s_paradox) refutes your Q.E.D. and I quoted it in my first post above.

I thought maybe you had something but thanks for playing anyway.:bye:

[StanUpshaw]

I wish there was someone who knew what the fuck they were talking about and could explain this in Crispyspeak, because you seem to be reaching the exact wrong conclusions.

All those "arrow of time" articles are saying despite the math working both forward and backward, time only travels in one direction, thanks to entropy.

[Crispy123]

so it IS a reading comprehension issue for you.

Reversible laws of motion cannot explain why we experience our world to be in such a comparatively low state of entropy at the moment (compared to the equilibrium entropy of universal heat death); and to have been at even lower entropy in the past.

This conversation between us has run its course.

[StanUpshaw]

But the "reversible laws of motion" are what you have a hard on for. You don't even understand what you don't understand.

[deliciousV]

a couple of more hits on the ole bong and I believe you kids will figure this out.

[Crispy123]

time-asymmetry. Just because we have record of the past and can observe the present, there is still no scientific proof of the future. Entropy does not offer any proof.

[Crispy123]

a couple of more hits on the ole bong and I believe you kids will figure this out.

completely straight today, my friend. :down:

[StanUpshaw]

time-asymmetry. Just because we have record of the past and can observe the present, there is still no scientific proof of the future. Entropy does not offer any proof.

You're straying into the metaphysical. If you accept physics, then you must accept that energy can't just poof itself out of existence.

[Crispy123]

You're straying into the metaphysical. If you accept physics, then you must accept that energy can't just poof itself out of existence.

Hello, thats where the paradox comes in. Physics CAN'T answer it. Thats kind of been my whole point, guy.

[StanUpshaw]

So you believe it's more likely that one day the universe could just turn off like a light switch...than the possibility that just maybe we haven't written all the right equations to describe all of physics yet?

What does your little page of logical fallacies have to say about Occam's razor?

[cougarjake13]

time-asymmetry. Just because we have record of the past and can observe the present, there is still no scientific proof of the future. Entropy does not offer any proof.


Well what if we went to the past
Try telling that guy in 1910 that isn't reality anymore he's actually long dead and the real yr is 2012

Same applies to us in 2012

[Crispy123]

So you believe it's more likely that one day the universe could just turn off like a light switch...than the possibility that just maybe we haven't written all the right equations to describe all of physics yet?

What does your little page of logical fallacies have to say about Occam's razor?

Nope. I've never said anything remotely like that.

Well what if we went to the past
Try telling that guy in 1910 that isn't reality anymore he's actually long dead and the real yr is 2012

Same applies to us in 2012

Time travel is just crazy talk, cougar. :drunk:

[cougarjake13]

Nope. I've never said anything remotely like that.



Time travel is just crazy talk, cougar. :drunk:


Most likely

I'm just saying for sake of the argument if it were possible just bc our brains perceive now to be the present doesn't make it so

[Crispy123]

Most likely

I'm just saying for sake of the argument if it were possible just bc our brains perceive now to be the present doesn't make it so

yea I agree that there are many questions about the nature of time.

[keithy_19]

God, the make up sex the two of you have must be great.

:innocent:

[Crispy123]

God, the make up sex the two of you have must be great.

:innocent:

Theres always room for one more, tiger. :wub:

[StanUpshaw]

God, the make up sex the two of you have must be great.

:innocent:

gay porn link

[Crispy123]

As much as I want to, I am not clicking that link. :unsure:

[StanUpshaw]

As much as I want to, I am not clicking that link. :unsure:

It's nothing that you didn't see some lonely night in the barracks.

[Crispy123]

It's nothing that you didn't see some lonely night in the barracks.

you have no idea.

[deliciousV]

gay porn link

AAHHH! My eyes, my eyes, my short term memory! You are one sick fuck for even knowing where to find that sick shit.

[Crispy123]

AAHHH! My eyes, my eyes, my short term memory! You are one sick fuck for even knowing where to find that sick shit.

Why would you do it? oh yea...:drunk:

[deliciousV]

Why would you do it? oh yea...:drunk:

don't you judge me.

[StanUpshaw]

AAHHH! My eyes, my eyes, my short term memory! You are one sick fuck for even knowing where to find that sick shit.

It jars the senses.

[Furtherman]

yea I agree that there are many questions about the nature of time.

The say time is the fire, in which we burn.

[underdog]

So you believe it's more likely that one day the universe could just turn off like a light switch..

well, it's close (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_metastability_event#Vacuum_metastability_ev ent)

[Crispy123]

The say time is the fire, in which we burn.

Love is a burning thing and it makes a fiery ring.

well, it's close (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_metastability_event#Vacuum_metastability_ev ent)

The point is that nobody knows, there is no scientific proof. To believe in the concept of the future, whether it is 1minute, 1month, or 1millenium from right now, requires faith.

[Misteriosa]

Love is a burning thing and it makes a fiery ring.

you know they have medication for that, right? :unsure:

[Furtherman]

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/50214643" width="500" height="333" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/50214643">How Time Travel Works</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user10279926">Flavorwire</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

[cougarjake13]

cool video but didn't see any time cop or time machine

[Furtherman]

cool video but didn't see any time cop or time machine

Watch it again, I saw both those movies in there.

[Furtherman]

<iframe width='560' height='315' seamless='seamless' src='http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Wash-attorney-I-have-physically-traveled-in-time-171952681.html?embed' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>

Andrew Basiago tells Komo News that he was part of a secret experiment that used kids to travel through time, and that he's made dozens of trips back in time. According to Basiago, Project Pegasus operated with 140 kids and 60 adults (including his father) shooting around the timelines, and he's on a mission to expose the experiments to the masses.

Kind of like Seven Days (without the time limit) mixed with a healthy dose of Fringe. He explains:

"I have physically traveled in time. We have -- we did over 40 years ago ... My dad held my hand, we jumped through the field of energy, and we seem to be moving very rapidly but there was also a paradox and we seemed to be going no where at all."

...A tunnel was opening up in time-space just like a soap bubble being blown by a child. And when that bubble closed, we were repositioned elsewhere in time-space on the face of the Earth."

The only thing missing from Basiago's awesome tale of time travel and intrigue? Proof. But he does claim to have a shred of it, via a photo of a bugle boy present at the Gettysburg Address in 1863:
"In fact, during one probe, the one to Gettysburg, the Gettysburg Address, I was dressed as Union bugle boy. I was physically at Gettysburg."
Basiago has taken to the web to help tell his tale, with information posted at ProjectPegasus.net. A quick registrar search shows his law office has owned the domain since 2006, so if this is a hoax, it's a pretty elaborate one.

[sailor]

Totally credible.

[A.J.]

He should be applauded for not interfering with the space-time continuum.

[sailor]

He should be applauded for not interfering with the space-time continuum.

Eddies in the space-time continuum.

[A.J.]

Inertial dampeners are offline?

[cougarjake13]

Watch it again, I saw both those movies in there.



went by so fast I Musta missed it

[PapaBear]

He should be applauded for not interfering with the space-time continuum.
You're joking, right? He played "Feels So Good" at Gettysburg!

[cougarjake13]

He should be applauded for not interfering with the space-time continuum.


how do we know he didn't


maybe the south won first time around

[Furtherman]

We are all mere pawns to his whims.





I give credit to the new station putting this story together - they had fun with it. Best line: "It was hard for us to confirm any of Andrew's claims."

[furie]

<iframe width='560' height='315' seamless='seamless' src='http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Wash-attorney-I-have-physically-traveled-in-time-171952681.html?embed' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>

speaking of andrew basiago:

Two former participants in the CIA’s Mars visitation program of the early 1980’s have confirmed that U.S. President Barack H. Obama was enrolled in their Mars training class in 1980 and was among the young Americans from the program who they later encountered on the Martian surface. Mars visitors Andrew D. Basiago and William B. Stillings will be appearing with Mars whistle blower Laura M. Eisenhower. (http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/two-former-participants-in-the-cias-mars-visitation-program-of-the-early-1980s-have-confirmed-that-u-s-president-barack-h-obama-was-enrolled-in-their-mars-training-class-in-1980-an/)