NASCAR Discussion

[spoon]

Ha!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/8089168/Moss-set-to-start-own-NASCAR-truck-team

[hurlmon]

anyone watching?

[Tenbatsuzen]

anyone watching?

Yeah. Strong race by Denny. But a hell of a comeback by Gordon.

[Tenbatsuzen]

...why was Michael parked? It looked like Casey ran into him...

[Tenbatsuzen]

RAGE.

Unbridled, out of control, rage.

[nevnut]

I Fucking Hate Piece Of Shit Kyle Busch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

i Fucking Hate Piece Of Shit Kyle Busch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think what we just saw was about 8000x worse than Vickers' stupidity at Talladega.

He turned his tires to the right.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think I just temporarily became the biggest CLint Bowyer fan in the world.

[nevnut]

I think I just temporarily became the biggest CLint Bowyer fan in the world.

So did I!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I want to see Dale pissed off post race. I want to see some fire. I don't want to see him squinting and rubbing his forehead and saying shit like, "It's tough man... it's tough."

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the analysts were trying to do every single thing to calm down Junior nation, but the fact of the matter is, Kyle Busch is a dangerous, irresponsible driver. He's had a TRACK RECORD of doing dumb shit. This isn't something like Vickers where it was really an isolated incident.

The announcers: "He was spinning out, Dale was the one who just caught him."

OH REALLY? Well, when you spin, you hit your brakes. KYLE DID NO SUCH FUCKING THING.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I guarantee you Kyle will decline to give an interview post-race.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Holy shit.


What a fucking DOUCHE.

[Tenbatsuzen]

"Whether it was fair or not, Kyle's gonna need some security from all of us."

Nice. I dig bearded Junior. He's EEEEEEVIL.

[ScottFromGA]

Kyle Busch is a douchebag, but you can tell that the car got loose under braking. If you've never driven a racecar, you have no idea what that is like.

He probably dailed some rear brake into the car to loosen it up for a short run and it made it super loose entering the corner.

Still...he wrecked him nonetheless....

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kyle Busch is a douchebag, but you can tell that the car got loose under braking. If you've never driven a racecar, you have no idea what that is like.

He probably dailed some rear brake into the car to loosen it up for a short run and it made it super loose entering the corner.

Still...he wrecked him nonetheless....

Kyle didn't do himself any favors in that post race interview. The bitterness he had was basically saying, "Fuck you Hendrick, you fire me, I crash your golden boy."

[Jughead]

I came here to see what Ten's thoughts were....If Kyle was so lose he should have backed off..I hate that fucker and I'm not a giant Jr fan( But I do really like Jr and his way he handles his popularity)....Kyle said the team member from Jr's team should have never came down to him after the race......In one of his smart ass behind the scenes remarks... Its not all about him(Jr's team member)..Well How about Kyle last night going over to Wallace after the race...I'm going now to read tenbats post because i respect his thoughts........Juggy

[Jughead]

I want to see Dale pissed off post race. I want to see some fire. I don't want to see him squinting and rubbing his forehead and saying shit like, "It's tough man... it's tough."

It is really time for that..He has the right... the power.... and it will make him better...

[cougarjake13]

i can see kyle busch being the first nascar driver to be assassinated

[Dan 'Hampton]

Love watching Busch piss off all the hayseeds.

[scottinnj]

Kyle Busch is one of the most talented dullards I have ever seen. He constantly over-drives his car. The NASCAR commentators get a kick out of it, showing closeups of how he turns the steering wheel through the turns to keep on the track. The problem with that is when he gets into traffic and takes out another car. This time it was for the lead, and this time it was Dale Jr. You can't hide your stupidity then.

I just love the blogs over at NASCAR.com right now. All the 88 haters are out in force defending the special needs of Kyle.

[Tenbatsuzen]

something I forgot to post both on FARK and here - I like Hamlin, but his parking on the track when his car was still drivable to get the caution was fucking NUTS. That was done to get the yellow so Kyle could catch up. ANY OTHER DRIVER who has a tire going down PITS.

Hamlin doesn't stop on the track to pull a yellow, Jr. wins this race. Period.

[scottinnj]

something I forgot to post both on FARK and here - I like Hamlin, but his parking on the track when his car was still drivable to get the caution was fucking NUTS. That was done to get the yellow so Kyle could catch up. ANY OTHER DRIVER who has a tire going down PITS.

Hamlin doesn't stop on the track to pull a yellow, Jr. wins this race. Period.

Yep. If it weren't for Hamlin drawing the caution, Jr. was still pulling away from Kyle. NASCAR should have black-flagged him based on minimum speed, and everyone knew he has a bad tire. Did you see how many close calls he had with traffic trying to race each other and get around him?


But that doesn't get Kyle off the hook. He's still a douchebag. And his brother "Mr. Personality" too.

[Reephdweller]

something I forgot to post both on FARK and here - I like Hamlin, but his parking on the track when his car was still drivable to get the caution was fucking NUTS. That was done to get the yellow so Kyle could catch up. ANY OTHER DRIVER who has a tire going down PITS.

Hamlin doesn't stop on the track to pull a yellow, Jr. wins this race. Period.


I agree, Denny is my guy but I didn't care for that parking on the track and then all of a sudden driving away after the caution came out. It sucks, but he deserved the penalty for that.

I was somewhat of a Kyle Busch fan because I didn't like the way Hendrick dumped him, but that obvious move on junior was bullshit.

[ScottFromGA]

Kyle Busch is one of the most talented dullards I have ever seen. He constantly over-drives his car. The NASCAR commentators get a kick out of it, showing closeups of how he turns the steering wheel through the turns to keep on the track. The problem with that is when he gets into traffic and takes out another car. This time it was for the lead, and this time it was Dale Jr. You can't hide your stupidity then.

I just love the blogs over at NASCAR.com right now. All the 88 haters are out in force defending the special needs of Kyle.

there was another driver that constantly overdrove his car....

his name was Dale Earnhardt......just sayin.

[ScottFromGA]

I came here to see what Ten's thoughts were....If Kyle was so lose he should have backed off..I hate that fucker and I'm not a giant Jr fan( But I do really like Jr and his way he handles his popularity)....Kyle said the team member from Jr's team should have never came down to him after the race......In one of his smart ass behind the scenes remarks... Its not all about him(Jr's team member)..Well How about Kyle last night going over to Wallace after the race...I'm going now to read tenbats post because i respect his thoughts........Juggy

thats just it though, his car wasn't "Loose". His car was good, not as good as Junior's, but when you put rear brake into your car with the brake bias, you are sending more pressure to the rear brakes so they will grab faster than the front. Drivers do this all the time. Thats how you see some cars get faster during a run is because they adjust the brake bias. On short tracks, brakes get hotter and faster than on a big track.

Kyle overdrove the turn, smashed on the brakes to make it turn under Junior, the rear caught and it sent the rearend of the car around making him "loose". Thats driver error, yes....but from my years of actually racing, this is an occurance that you can't see coming as a driver.

I think Kyle was actually apologizing to Earnhardt...but saying Fuck You to his fans that won't see racing logically. I respect the guy for that, even though he's an ass. Far as him walking over to Steven Wallace's car, that was HIM doing it...not his crew. The crew just needs to work on the car and let the drivers work it out. That guy that walked down to Busch looked like he took it personally.

[scottinnj]

Kyle overdrove the turn, smashed on the brakes to make it turn under Junior, the rear caught and it sent the rearend of the car around making him "loose". Thats driver error, yes....but from my years of actually racing, this is an occurance that you can't see coming as a driver.


That's what I'm talking about with Kyle's patience level. He had Dale, who for some reason insisted on running the top line (dumb move in my opinion) and allowed Kyle to catch up to him after the Hamlin caution. He could have passed Dale clean with one more lap, he had plenty of time to do it compared to his position next to Dale verses how many laps were left.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Busch race is gonna be ridiculous. Darlington repaved is gonna be fucking nasty.

And Bowyer just called Douchebag the Younger a "big hairy bear". I think I just threw up in my mouth.

[TheGameHHH]

Hey Danica Patrick almost committed vehicular homicide today. I dont know if its NASCAR news or some other shitty racing circuit shes on, but it was pretty awesome.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Brad Keselowski RULES. That is all.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hey Danica Patrick almost committed vehicular homicide today. I dont know if its NASCAR news or some other shitty racing circuit shes on, but it was pretty awesome.

Idiot wasn't wearing a helmet and was walking in front of an active pitbox. Wasn't her fault.

[Epschtein]

yeah, i havent seen anything suggesting it was her fault yet, sounds like he shouldnt have been where he was and stepped out in front of her.

[scottinnj]

Brad Keselowski RULES. That is all.

Your enthusiasm knows no bounds. I love you.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Your enthusiasm knows no bounds. I love you.

First of all, ew, and secondly, do you know what I'm referencing?

Someone did his boss's dirty work, and in the process, made someone else act like a little bitch on ESPN.

[Jughead]

thats just it though, his car wasn't "Loose". His car was good, not as good as Junior's, but when you put rear brake into your car with the brake bias, you are sending more pressure to the rear brakes so they will grab faster than the front. Drivers do this all the time. Thats how you see some cars get faster during a run is because they adjust the brake bias. On short tracks, brakes get hotter and faster than on a big track.

Kyle overdrove the turn, smashed on the brakes to make it turn under Junior, the rear caught and it sent the rearend of the car around making him "loose". Thats driver error, yes....but from my years of actually racing, this is an occurance that you can't see coming as a driver.

I think Kyle was actually apologizing to Earnhardt...but saying Fuck You to his fans that won't see racing logically. I respect the guy for that, even though he's an ass. Far as him walking over to Steven Wallace's car, that was HIM doing it...not his crew. The crew just needs to work on the car and let the drivers work it out. That guy that walked down to Busch looked like he took it personally.

I know all about brake bias That is bull shit....Kyle must adjust bias a lot ..Even with his brother at Charlotte... Kyle is a great driver with no brains....How about tonight when he blames a lap car for his over driving again...Oh it just happened to be a car owned by Jr...He over drove the corner got caught down below the line at Darlington...Blamed Brad for that one..What a piece of work he is....BUT....He is a great driver Just stupid...Oh and by the way he was pissed more tonight and blaming people..Way more than Jr was about being wrecked in a cup race while leading.....

[scottinnj]

First of all, ew, and secondly, do you know what I'm referencing?

Someone did his boss's dirty work, and in the process, made someone else act like a little bitch on ESPN.

Are you referring to the reason why Kyle is 44 laps down? I think we're on the same page.

[Jughead]

First of all, ew, and secondly, do you know what I'm referencing?

Someone did his boss's dirty work, and in the process, made someone else act like a little bitch on ESPN.

I do...

[Jughead]

By the way Tony was heart felt in his win..And that amazes me for he has won almost everywhere and driving anything with wheels.........I'm not going to say I know him But I have connections that do...Closely...

[scottinnj]

Kyle is a great driver with no brains....


I've been saying that all week on NASCAR.com, and all I've gotten back from the M&M fans is "shutup! just another Jr. Nation fan whining again! Kyle was just racin maaaaaaan!"

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've been saying that all week on NASCAR.com, and all I've gotten back from the M&M fans is "shutup! just another Jr. Nation fan whining again! Kyle was just racin maaaaaaan!"

And in his post race interview on ESPN, he again put all blame on the other driver. Wasn't Keslowski only a lap down when the incident occured? OF COURSE HE'D BE RACING THE LEADERS, YOU DUMMY.

I actually couldn't believe how fast Kyle was in street clothes after the race. Just everything about Busch BOTHERS me.

Was he wearing his sunglasses in the post race interview?

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, this isn't me ranting against Kyle as an associated Jr. fan. For God's sake, HE DRIVES ON MY FAVORITE DRIVER'S TEAM. But ever since he's been on the scene, he bothers me.

[Jughead]

Ten grats to Tony he was the class of the field tonight ..Even if Matt would have stayed in the race...

[Jughead]

I've been saying that all week on NASCAR.com, and all I've gotten back from the M&M fans is "shutup! just another Jr. Nation fan whining again! Kyle was just racin maaaaaaan!"

I understand I wish I was a Big Jr fan..Or even Tony(I like very much) or shit even Gordon....But my Favorite driver never makes the race and really sucks..But I like him and his Indy roots ...And I have meet him he was really nice to me..His sister bought a car from me I cant help it...You people are so lucky to have a great driver to root for... Ive yet to find one.....I watch every race and can't seem to find a favorite.....I think it will take just a meeting or a wave or some connection before i find another one...It really sucks being such a fan and not really having a favorite....Well that is in every race.......:wallbash:

[scottinnj]

BTW, this isn't me ranting against Kyle as an associated Jr. fan. For God's sake, HE DRIVES ON MY FAVORITE DRIVER'S TEAM. But ever since he's been on the scene, he bothers me.

Speaking of which, I have really enjoyed Tony's "maturing" during his NASCAR tenure. His comments on the Jr./Busch incident of last week he said on his Sirius show were really good.

I'm glad Tony is consistently a driver on the HotPass channels. If Jr. has a messup, I like going to the Stewart channel. The radio banter between him and Zippy makes it all worth while.

[scottinnj]

...You people are so lucky to have a great driver to root for... Ive yet to find one.....I watch every race and can't seem to find a favorite

Start paying attention to number 16, Greg "The Bif" Biffle. There has been a lot of "comparisons" of Kyle Busch to Dale Earnhardt Sr. *choking back vomit* but among the current Cup drivers, Bif exhibits the same gutsy aggressive intelligent racing Dale did, IMO.

[scottinnj]

I actually couldn't believe how fast Kyle was in street clothes after the race.


Not as fast as he was when he drove for Hendrick. I believe Jr. had to take over one race because he left the track so quickly, even though he was on another team.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Elliot Sadler: "I made a mistake, and I'd like to apologize to Tony and Tony's fans."

TAKE NOTES, KYLE.

[scottinnj]

Why does it seem every race this season Dale's got a third place car and has to bust ass to get up front?

And Kyle's over-driving again. Dale will be catching him soon. He's tearing up his tires trying to be first for the whole race. Douche-his crew chief must want to punch his face at the end of every race.

[scottinnj]

Elliot Sadler: "I made a mistake, and I'd like to apologize to Tony and Tony's fans."

TAKE NOTES, KYLE.

That sucked. Sorry about that one man. If Jr. can't win Darlington, I would have liked to have seen Smoke sweep the weekend.

[Jughead]

That sucked. Sorry about that one man. If Jr. can't win Darlington, I would have liked to have seen Smoke sweep the weekend.

I missed that..I was mowing..Sadler did sound sincere..Kyle just told his crew that his brakes were the worst he has ever felt in his life... ..That a boy Kyle pump them up....Maybe its because they have been glowing red since lap 15....Kyle I hate that Prick.........Sorry Kyle fans if there is any???

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why does it seem every race this season Dale's got a third place car and has to bust ass to get up front?

And Kyle's over-driving again. Dale will be catching him soon. He's tearing up his tires trying to be first for the whole race. Douche-his crew chief must want to punch his face at the end of every race.

Not only that, DW chastized him for talking shit to his crew. It's the same story that he had last year at Hendrick. I will be shocked if Busch lasts until the end of his contract at Gibbs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

For the record, Dale's scheme tonight is GORGEOUS.

[Reephdweller]

For the record, Dale's scheme tonight is GORGEOUS.


I agree, I love the retro look.

[scottinnj]

For the record, Dale's scheme tonight is GORGEOUS.

I agree, I love the retro look.

So do I. Even with the "custom" stripe on the left side. God I hope Tony gets that car turning good.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Not only that, DW chastized him for talking shit to his crew. It's the same story that he had last year at Hendrick. I will be shocked if Busch lasts until the end of his contract at Gibbs.

Yeah why would they want a young talented headcase driver at Gibbs.

[scottinnj]

Yeah why would they want a young talented headcase driver at Gibbs.

Well, if we're going down that road, it is good that Kyle is at JGR. Tony did a whole lot of growing up while at JGR. But with Tony, he came to NASCAR as an experienced driver before he had to prove himself as a stock car driver, sort of like JPM is going through now.

It's going to be interesting to watch Kyle. He is either going to wind up being the greatest NASCAR driver ever, or he is just going to peak early and then wind up under a bridge blowing hobo cock for the same M&Ms he's getting millions for now to have on his car.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well, if we're going down that road, it is good that Kyle is at JGR. Tony did a whole lot of growing up while at JGR. But with Tony, he came to NASCAR as an experienced driver before he had to prove himself as a stock car driver, sort of like JPM is going through now.

It's going to be interesting to watch Kyle. He is either going to wind up being the greatest NASCAR driver ever, or he is just going to peak early and then wind up under a bridge blowing hobo cock for the same M&Ms he's getting millions for now to have on his car.

This. We all know that when Joey's ready, he's gonna be the Gibbs golden boy. And if Kyle keeps talking shit to his crew, it doesn't matter how talented he is, people will not want to work with him.

I know Tony Stewart had growing pains, but there's an intangible there that makes him likable. I haven't seen that in Kyle.

[scottinnj]

I know Tony Stewart had growing pains, but there's an intangible there that makes him likable. I haven't seen that in Kyle.


Good point. There is a difference between a good, talented likeable driver losing his temper once in a while and a newbie to the team talking shit and trying to piss off more half of NASCAR's fanbase.


I think Joe had a big influence on Tony, but now that he is more hands off while grooming
his son to take over in a season or two, Kyle's gonna be real disappointed every time he talks shit to his crew on the radio. I predict a lot more "loose" lug nuts if he keeps it up.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I still love Kyle pissing off the hayseeds who seem to forget that Dale Sr was a bit abrasive.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Whoever is designing the paint schemes at Hendrick... holy crap. Dale's scheme tonight is even better than last weeks.

And BTW, please tell me that yellow wall isn't going to be there next weekend. I don't think I can look at that abomination in HD for 600 laps.

[PhilDeez]

Whoever is designing the paint schemes at Hendrick... holy crap. Dale's scheme tonight is even better than last weeks.

And BTW, please tell me that yellow wall isn't going to be there next weekend. I don't think I can look at that abomination in HD for 600 laps.

No yellow wall next week, 560 gallons of yellow paint just for this race - or I think that is what I heard.

[ScottFromGA]

I still love Kyle pissing off the hayseeds who seem to forget that Dale Sr was a bit abrasive.

thats the reason I like that punk so much. He's called a dirty driver, but yet they wear a 3 cap and drive around with a 3 sticker in their back window.

[ScottFromGA]

I know all about brake bias That is bull shit....Kyle must adjust bias a lot ..

(going back on this one)

yea...all the drivers adjust the bias alot. its called self adjustment during the race....happens alot in Dirt Racing and NASCAR is no different......I am saying he overdrove the corner, but my main point is that I think the car snapped loose on him when it hadn't all race long and he wasn't expecting it. It wasn't dirty driving, just hard racing.


He's still an ass though.

gettin back to this weekends race, Anyone think its pretty shitty that JGR has to run TRD equipment to get them back up front and not their own shit, but praise Mark Conquist for their engines?

[scottinnj]

gettin back to this weekends race, Anyone think its pretty shitty that JGR has to run TRD equipment to get them back up front and not their own shit, but praise Mark Conquist for their engines?

I missed that one. That is not cool.

[scottinnj]

Kyle Busch is pole sitter, so who's gonna bet how many laps its gonna be before he grenades his motor trying to be first for 600 miles?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kyle Busch is pole sitter, so who's gonna bet how many laps its gonna be before he grenades his motor trying to be first for 600 miles?

I don't know. Are they still running that experimental package that blew out on everyone last week?

BTW, what Scheme is Dale running? Is he going with the Silver and Black or the National Guard digital camoflauge? I heard the Digital Camoflauge was going to be at Daytona, not here.

[scottinnj]

not sure. that black and silver national guard scheme at the all-star race was the best paint job yet on juniors cars, imo.

[Jughead]

I know its not nascar but I'm going 45 miles south Sunday..I can't wait....It will be my 20th.......:drunk:

[scottinnj]

I know its not nascar but I'm going 45 miles south Sunday..I can't wait....It will be my 20th.......:drunk:

Congrats. I've never seen an Indy 500 live, but have been in Indianapolis and seen the speedway.

I'm old school so I'm rooting for AJ Foyt IV, but his team and car seem to be running into bad luck. That wind on qualifying day they couldn't get enough downforce to go as fast as they could, the fuel cap coming off and spraying the ethanol over the rear tires....
I'm hoping he can overcome all of that to win.

I love the Indy 500. Where are your seats?

[Tenbatsuzen]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Brad Keselowski's crew vs. Denny Hamlin's crew.

My god, Keselowski is fast becoming my favorite N'wide driver.

[scottinnj]

Dammit, I missed it. I was at a party and had to leave at lap 130. Any links to the fight? ESPN.com have anything?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dammit, I missed it. I was at a party and had to leave at lap 130. Any links to the fight? ESPN.com have anything?

It was just pushing and shoving with NASCAR officials in the middle, but obviously added some "character" to the end of the race. Especially with keselowski basically calling Hamlin a pussy and Hamlin calling Keselowski a know-nothing rook.

Once the braces come off and Keselowski stops looking like Rusty Griswold, it's gonna be awesome.

[scottinnj]

It was just pushing and shoving with NASCAR officials in the middle, but obviously added some "character" to the end of the race. Especially with keselowski basically calling Hamlin a pussy and Hamlin calling Keselowski a know-nothing rook.

Once the braces come off and Keselowski stops looking like Rusty Griswold, it's gonna be awesome.

What really sucks is I went to NASCAR.com to see if there was any updates, like fines or probations, etc. They were called into the trailer, but NASCAR has decided to hose down the place and act like nothing happened.

Thank God for fellow NASCAR fans. A quick "Keselowski vs. Hamlin" in my AOL search engine came up with a lot of video.

Too Bad NASCAR doesn't understand this is what gets ratings for the Nationwide series, not having Cup Drivers taking up spots that the up and comers need to prove themselves. I know Hamlin is a Cup driver and so is Dale, but what I mean is that this type of drama that gets you glued in your seat the following week to see what is coming next.

I don't care if Dale starts next week in Nationwide or not. I'm watching for the Keselowski saga to further unfold.

[watson]

here is the "incident"
http://www.youtube.com/v/HdUTAwyRn-k&hl=en

love rusty "someones going to punch somebody"

***

I will be at Dover all 3 days making an ass of myself

[scottinnj]

I will be at Dover all 3 days making an ass of myself


Take TONS of pictures. I may be down there in October. If I can get the time off.

[scottinnj]

That clip was funny as shit.

Rusty: (About Kyle celebrating) "He'd better turn around and see what's going on in the pits! No one's paying any attention to him celebrating!"

Meanwhile, the whole front grandstand is booing the shit out of Kyle while he does his bow, and after he grabs the flag, you can see a water bottle or a beer cup flying out onto the track.

Yea Rusty, nobody cared a hoot about Kyle.

[watson]

Take TONS of pictures. I may be down there in October. If I can get the time off.

I goto both weekends every year since 1988, and I always make an ass of myself, especially in the slots casino... I hope to get a picture of me mooning the new big monster thing they built at front

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0223/travel_dmonster_300.jpg

[scottinnj]

Now that Humpy is giving up the keys to Lowes Speedway, does anyone think he could lend some of his talents to IRL and help get them back on their feet? I'd hate to see American open wheel competition go by the wayside and have all that talent sent to Europe to compete in F1.

Having Danica in the spotlight week after week is not enough. She's a good driver and represenative for IRL, but the league needs to let her race and concentrate on that instead of sending her everywhere a camera is warming up.

[scottinnj]

I goto both weekends every year since 1988, and I always make an ass of myself, especially in the slots casino... I hope to get a picture of me mooning the new big monster thing they built at front

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0223/travel_dmonster_300.jpg

You get that done, and I expect to see it as your avatar.

[ralphbxny]

This year I am back into Nascar for the first time since 2004. Loving it again!

I am probably not going to make a race this year, but Next Year I want to try and get to Dover & Pocono!! I have friends who Camp out in Talledega...if I can sneak down in the Fall I will!! If I can sneak into Dover I will also!! Great Season so far!

[scottinnj]

This year I am back into Nascar for the first time since 2004. Loving it again!

I am probably not going to make a race this year, but Next Year I want to try and get to Dover & Pocono!! I have friends who Camp out in Talledega...if I can sneak down in the Fall I will!! If I can sneak into Dover I will also!! Great Season so far!

welcome back. it's good to have you in the crowd.
*old friends....*

[scottinnj]

btw, ralph-you rooting for anyone/team in particular?

[scottinnj]

Former teammates Gordon, Busch displeased with one another (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/19253909.html)

"He’s got an issue because he gave me the finger, and you know what?” Gordon said. “That’s not necessary for a guy he just didn’t like racing him the way I did.”


“Kyle and I never had any issues,” Gordon said. “But I raced him hard tonight just like I did everybody. And when track position is as important as it is here, you’ve got to race every single car for every single position"

[Jughead]

The hardest thing for me is I hate the prick .... But the Nascar gods work in amazing ways .....It kills me to say this, but he is one of the greatest talents to come along in a long time..The old racing slang was... Back it up on the track.... And this KID can.. It makes the sport fun for me.....(He is driving JJ's car from last year).I would bet my life you put that kid in a Petty piece of shit and he would finish top 10.....:sad:

[scottinnj]

I would bet my life you put that kid in a Petty piece of shit and he would finish top 10.....:sad:

He'd do it in Fred Flintstone's car. And I can't stand it, but gotta respect it.

[joethebartender]

I have my own two tix on ebay for sunday...email me or bid on 'em!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=140236906685

[Freitag]

I'd love to go on Sunday, but my money situation is tight right now. I'm looking forward the Nationwide race to watch Logano. He's got Gamestop for a sponsor.

[scottinnj]

Logano pulled in a 6th place finish. That was some great driving he did on those last laps-he had a 10th place car, but with Kyle getting wrecked and Brad's car all fucked up from from hitting Kyle in the pits, Logano really had a great opportunity there at the end to move up and he really took advantage of it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Logano pulled in a 6th place finish. That was some great driving he did on those last laps-he had a 10th place car, but with Kyle getting wrecked and Brad's car all fucked up from from hitting Kyle in the pits, Logano really had a great opportunity there at the end to move up and he really took advantage of it.

Kyle gave a pissy interview after the race. God, he makes my skin CRAWL.

Junior Fans and Gordon Fans can agree on one thing: Kyle Busch is a douche.

[ralphbxny]

btw, ralph-you rooting for anyone/team in particular?

Not really. I am a fan of Greg Biffle cause my brother did a commercial with him a couple years back. But I enjoy it all. From Jr, to Stewart and Kyle Bush playing heel.

I Love it!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Can't wait to see kyle win at louden at the end of the month.

[scottinnj]

Can't wait to see kyle win at louden at the end of the month.

Got Tix? You'll like it. Really nice facility. Have fun. (watching Dale win, wakka wakka)

[awesomebill]

Go Jimmie Johnson

[led37zep]

I thought Mark Martin retired at the end of last season. I must have missed something.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I thought Mark Martin retired at the end of last season. I must have missed something.

He's retired a few times, but he keeps getting money thrown at him to come back. He's not going to have a career in broadcasting so he's probably padding his retirement nest egg. He runs a reduced schedule with Aric Arimola getting the rest of the seat time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

TNT's coverage today has been an ABORTION.

- sound issues

- constant accidental breaks to commercials... i.e. a commercial starts for 10 seconds then suddenly it cuts back live to the race

- The pre-race show being in press box - not outside, not in a studio - and looking like TOTAL CRAP.

- and those needless CGI gimmicks on the track, like the fake restart pole.

[led37zep]

TNT is really having a rough time with this broadcast. First the Audio problems and now they keep jumping to commercials at the wrong time.

Someone is getting chewed out in Atlanta.


Anyone else watching?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did Kyle Busch just... honestly... apologize... without sarcasm?

[led37zep]

Did Kyle Busch just... honestly... apologize... without sarcasm?


The look on his face after was priceless. He looked so deflated.

[Tenbatsuzen]

"Yeah, that worked in the 90's" - A pissed Junior to Tony Jr.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[ScottFromGA]

memo sent back from Budweiser:

Junior Who?


:clap::clap:

[Tenbatsuzen]

memo sent back from Budweiser:

Junior Who?


:clap::clap:

*shrug* - wins are great and all, but if Jr. runs this consistent by Race 26, it won't make that much of a difference, will it?

I'm beginning to get into the camp that Tony Eury Jr. is the one that's holding Jr. back.

[Jughead]

*shrug* - wins are great and all, but if Jr. runs this consistent by Race 26, it won't make that much of a difference, will it?

I'm beginning to get into the camp that Tony Eury Jr. is the one that's holding Jr. back.

Tell me what is wrong in the Stewart camp..I had to try and move one of my son's today...Did not get a chance to see the whole race......Just know I did pretty well with my picks by a little luck and some research .........Is Zippy the same??....Rouch seems to be making a come back...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tell me what is wrong in the Stewart camp..I had to try and move one of my son's today...Did not get a chance to see the whole race......Just know I did pretty well with my picks by a little luck and some research .........Is Zippy the same??....Rouch seems to be making a come back...

Tony got hit with a pit penalty that took him out of the race.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Joey Logano wins in his third race.

This dude is gonna hit the Sprint Cup like crazy.

[cougarjake13]

Joey Logano wins in his third race.

This dude is gonna hit the Sprint Cup like crazy.

4th car or maybe to replace tony if they let him go

[led37zep]

Vickers is owning this race.

[AngelAmy]

junior Wins!

[nevnut]

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Congrats to Junior! I was on the edge of my seat - he wouldn't have made it for that caution.

[Reephdweller]

That's awesome for Junior. I'm so glad he's finally got that behind him.

[Friday]

i just watched car racing on TV.

is this rock bottom?

:unsure:

[AngelAmy]

i just watched car racing on TV.

is this rock bottom?

:unsure:

welcome to the addiction, my friend.

[MojoTeddybear]

A long time coming for Junior. :)

[MojoTeddybear]

i just watched car racing on TV.

is this rock bottom?

:unsure:


Nah....watching bowling is rock bottom.

[Reephdweller]

Nah....watching bowling is rock bottom.




Watching?


I'm taping bowling....TO WATCH LATER!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Reason #2389743298 that any Non-FOX NASCAR coverage sucks outside of Bestwick and Larry Mac:

One of the idiot TNT pit reporters today said that Matt Kenseth gave his father for Father's Day a....

wait for it...

A Chevy Mustang.


Liz and I were watching, and I stopped, paused, and looked at her.

"Did... did he just say a... Chevy Mustang?"

Liz nodded.

[AngelAmy]

I haven't done this in a while

2008 Standings

1. Kyle Busch (18) -
2. Jeff Burton (31) -32
3. Dale Earnhardt Jr. (88) -84
4. Carl Edwards (99) -206
5. Jimmie Johnson (48) -254
6. Denny Hamlin (11) -287
7. Kasey Kahne (9) -324
8. Greg Biffle (16) -329
9. Jeff Gordon (24) -337
10. Kevin Harvick (29) -396

[cougarjake13]

I haven't done this in a while

2008 Standings

1. Kyle Busch (18) -
2. Jeff Burton (31) -32
3. Dale Earnhardt Jr. (88) -84
4. Carl Edwards (99) -206
5. Jimmie Johnson (48) -254
6. Denny Hamlin (11) -287
7. Kasey Kahne (9) -324
8. Greg Biffle (16) -329
9. Jeff Gordon (24) -337
10. Kevin Harvick (29) -396


you know what annoys the hell out of me

how the announcers put the same kind of importance to the standings and how far back certain drivers are like it was still the old system

none of the standings or points matter since it resets once the chase begins and they add points for wins

the only part of the standings that really matters is who is 12th and how far back any drivers behind 12th may be

[Friday]

Watching?


I'm taping bowling....TO WATCH LATER!!!




you have no idea how sexy this is.

:wink:

[AngelAmy]

you know what annoys the hell out of me

how the announcers put the same kind of importance to the standings and how far back certain drivers are like it was still the old system

none of the standings or points matter since it resets once the chase begins and they add points for wins

the only part of the standings that really matters is who is 12th and how far back any drivers behind 12th may be

true...I really didn't think about that before...but you're totally right.

[PapaBear]

It's still good to enter the chase in first, though. You get more points than the other 9 drivers.

[nevnut]

It's still good to enter the chase in first, though. You get more points than the other 9 drivers.

Not since last year...http://www.nascar.com/news/features/chase.format/index.html

They all start with the same and get 10 points for each win they had in the first 26 races.

[PapaBear]

Not since last year...http://www.nascar.com/news/features/chase.format/index.html

They all start with the same and get 10 points for each win they had in the first 26 races.
Damn. That's good for Bush, and bad for Dale.

[Sue_Bender]

Yeah.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Damn. That's good for Bush, and bad for Dale.

The first part of the season isn't over and there's a 3-win differential. So in the long and short of it, that's a 30 point differential, which is the difference of 6 spots of finishing order.

The only reason this rule was added was to help drivers like Kasey Kahne, who had like 6 wins and almost didn't make the cut.

[Snoogans]

Today is a good day. I finally get to be a Said Head

[Tenbatsuzen]

Today is a good day. I finally get to be a Said Head

Did someone mention... BORIS SAID!?!?!?

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[Tenbatsuzen]

So, news is swirling that Casey Mears is gonna lose his gig at Hendrick.

ESPN "Michael Vick Won't Be Indicted, Les Miles is Going to Michigan" reports that Mark Martin is going to take a full-time ride at Hendrick for one last ride at 2009.

But what about Smoke? Or even Keselowski?

[Snoogans]

Fuck you, Boris Said. You fucked me in my pool. 41st?????????? YOU SON OF A BITCH. I wish Kyle Busch woulda put you into the wall like Warren Wallace

[AngelAmy]

i picked sadler....i was so fuckin happy when he was in 4th and i practically cried when they said he had a flat tire


im kind of disappointed in this race, wasnt that exciting...im gonna blame the car of tomorrow!!

[Freitag]

Casey Mears, you're FIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD DD.

Stewart hasn't even entered the equation yet, so the most likely deal will be Mark Martin driving full-time or Mark driving part-time with Brad K. backing him up.

[joethebartender]

Casey Mears, you're FIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD DD.

Stewart hasn't even entered the equation yet, so the most likely deal will be Mark Martin driving full-time or Mark driving part-time with Brad K. backing him up.

As a 5 car fan, I have to say that Casey didn't show at all. It seems like Hendrick will just have to find another "worker bee" like they had in both Kyle Busch and Terry Labonte.

I've been to more than one race where the 5 has been faster than both the 24 and the 48 and they made the 5's driver "sit" for points. I heard it first hand over the scanner. Yeah...go Jimmy Johnson.:thumbdown:

I'm not surprised at Kyle Busch's successes this year at all. (He could have been doing this well 2 years ago.)

Thanks Rick Hendrick...you cocksucker.
I wonder how much longer the 5 will be the fat girl on Rick's roller derby team.

[Freitag]

As a 5 car fan, I have to say that Casey didn't show at all. It seems like Hendrick will just have to find another "worker bee" like they had in both Kyle Busch and Terry Labonte.

I've been to more than one race where the 5 has been faster than both the 24 and the 48 and they made the driver "sit" for points. Yeah...go Jimmy Johnson.:thumbdown:

I'm not surprised at Kyle Busch's successes this year at all. (He could have done this well 2 years ago.)

Kyle Busch's success will be tempered when Logano hits the scene.

If Junior is serious about moving his Busch operation to Cup, it's possible that Brad K would run a Hendrick satellite organization in 2010 when Mark is done, and then Truex and Stewart might be available.

[PapaBear]

Does anything look fishy in this (http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=nationwide18&prov=st&type=lgns) article?

<small>LOUDON, NEW HAMPSHIRE (TICKER) </small>—Tony Stewart (http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/sprint/drivers/87/;_ylt=Al0DJhDAT9A7YGDBrs_g1GPfv7YF) recorded his NASCAR Nationwide Series-leading fifth win of the season in Saturday’s Camping World RV Sales 200 at New Hampshire Motor Speedway.
Making just his seventh series start this season, Stewart averaged 109.028 miles per hour in a Toyota Camry.
It was the seventh career Nationwide victory for Stewart, who became the 22nd different winner in as many races here.

[Kit the Eskimo]

Does anything look fishy in this (http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=nationwide18&prov=st&type=lgns) article?

First one's the season, second one is career

[PapaBear]

First one's the season, second one is career
He's won a shitload more than 7 races in his career, and I'm pretty sure he's raced all the races this season.


Edit: Nevermind. Nationwide. NOt Sprint

[Tenbatsuzen]

He's won a shitload more than 7 races in his career, and I'm pretty sure he's raced all the races this season.

Key word is NATIONWIDE.

7 Nationwide wins. And he hasn't started all the N'wide races.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Edit: Nevermind. Nationwide. NOt Sprint

Everyone point and laugh at Papabear now.

[PapaBear]

These name changes are hard for an old man to keep up with.

[led37zep]

Who's watching?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Who's watching?

I am. Jr's bearing down on Harv.

[drizzle]

Go Tru!

[cougarjake13]

Who's watching?

switchin betw this, mets-yanks and germany-spain

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's really a who's who of what could end up where in the series.

If they are saying that Martin is getting the open Hendrick seat full-time in 2009, then the following possibilities exist:

1) Keselowski takes the seat in 2010.

2) They are waiting for Truex, who has a one-year option with DEI that they are negotiating right now.

3) They are waiting for Stewart, who may not get out of JGR this year.

4) The JRM operation goes to Cup in 2010 with Keselowski at the seat.

[cougarjake13]

holy fuck

imagine hendrick having gordon, jimmie , junior and smoke ???

[Tenbatsuzen]

holy fuck

imagine hendrick having gordon, jimmie , junior and smoke ???

It is possible for Smoke to own a piece of HAAS/CNC and drive for Hendrick. I could see that happening.

I would fucking ADORE Smoke at Hendrick. I've been floating this idea for a while. But Smoke's already won two championships, so it's not like he's hungry for glory.

[led37zep]

Biffle really hasn't don't shit all race. Started 15th and is running 26th.

[cougarjake13]

Biffle really hasn't don't shit all race. Started 15th and is running 26th.

damn it and i have him in my fantasy league

[scottinnj]

Juan

[scottinnj]

juan pablo montoya is my hero. "yeah, i turned kyle. he crossed the line,"

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was watching a good portion of the race without the sound.

Did Jaime McMurray just plow right into Dale Jr.? I was hoping that maybe Jaime cut a tire or something because NOBODY could be that stupid.

Michael Waltrip witha top 5 finish. I mean, really?

and also: I caught some of the JPM/Kyle thing. That look like it was all Kyle's doing and he got some payback. No matter what, JPM fucking rules.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Everything I wore yesterday is still soaked including my new #18 hat. Amazing that considering he's the most hated driver in NASCAR his lines were second only to JR and wasn't far off. Good race, love having the fanview with the Stewart DirectTV channel on the whole race.

[cougarjake13]

Everything I wore yesterday is still soaked including my new #18 hat. Amazing that considering he's the most hated driver in NASCAR his lines were second only to JR and wasn't far off. Good race, love having the fanview with the Stewart DirectTV channel on the whole race.


well he's the kinda driver where you either like him or hate him

theres no middle ground

[Tenbatsuzen]

Green drops at 8:20.

The N'Wide race was relatively calm, so I don't know what that means for the Sprint race.

[PhilDeez]

Hated that ending. Edwards would have passed him had they just finished the lap.
WTF - Kenseth goes with Busch and Kurt Busch goes with Edwards at the end, that was a tad mixed up?
I only wish someone would have connected with a beer can to the helmet when he was taking his bows to a sea of boos. Maybe next time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hated that ending. Edwards would have passed him had they just finished the lap.
WTF - Kenseth goes with Busch and Kurt Busch goes with Edwards at the end, that was a tad mixed up?
I only wish someone would have connected with a beer can to the helmet when he was taking his bows to a sea of boos. Maybe next time.

Kurt and Kyle do not like each other.

That being said, I feel bad for June. He got shuffled, and if they were running green for a sustained period, he would have worked his way back up. The stop-start of cautions killed him.

The ten bonus points you get for winning a race - are those figured AFTER the race you win, or does that figure into the final computation when they start you at 5000 when the chase starts? Because that means there would be a 50 point differential between Kyle and Junior if thats' the case.

[Sue_Bender]

Turd.

[PhilDeez]

Kurt and Kyle do not like each other.

That being said, I feel bad for June. He got shuffled, and if they were running green for a sustained period, he would have worked his way back up. The stop-start of cautions killed him.

The ten bonus points you get for winning a race - are those figured AFTER the race you win, or does that figure into the final computation when they start you at 5000 when the chase starts? Because that means there would be a 50 point differential between Kyle and Junior if thats' the case.

Don't know about the points thing for sure, but think it is factored in after each race. That makes the chase that much more exciting.

Yeah, I was pissed at how Jr. kept getting shuffled back. Once from 1st to 10th, and then from 3rd to 11th all in the final 20 laps. Martin pissed me off, he could have gone with Jr. but went with someone else on one of the runs.

I finally have a reason to like Kurt Busch now. Why do they hate each other?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't know about the points thing for sure, but think it is factored in after each race. That makes the chase that much more exciting.

Yeah, I was pissed at how Jr. kept getting shuffled back. Once from 1st to 10th, and then from 3rd to 11th all in the final 20 laps. Martin pissed me off, he could have gone with Jr. but went with someone else on one of the runs.

I finally have a reason to like Kurt Busch now. Why do they hate each other?

It's long been rumored that Kurt and Kyle don't get along. In fact, when NASCAR.com ran a pic of them together last week for a story they were doing about Kurt's win at NH, they had to go back to LAST SEASON to get one. These are guys that are in the same general vicinity for 36 weeks out of the year, and you have to use a horribly outdated picture? (Since Kyle has changed sponsors and teams)

that being said, Kyle had some really douchy comments about the race being cut short last week when he had no chance to win AND HIS BROTHER WON. That's the equivalent of Peyton Manning saying, "yeah, that guy on the Patriots should have held on to that interception in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl".

And Carl Edwards came right out and said that Kurt and Kyle don't like each other in the post-race interview tonight.

And I do have to admit, Kurt's been a LOT less douchy since he's been on Penske.

[Vodka Mule]

Turd.

Turd's the word.......Stay positive Sue!

[PhilDeez]

It's long been rumored that Kurt and Kyle don't get along. In fact, when NASCAR.com ran a pic of them together last week for a story they were doing about Kurt's win at NH, they had to go back to LAST SEASON to get one. These are guys that are in the same general vicinity for 36 weeks out of the year, and you have to use a horribly outdated picture? (Since Kyle has changed sponsors and teams)

that being said, Kyle had some really douchy comments about the race being cut short last week when he had no chance to win AND HIS BROTHER WON. That's the equivalent of Peyton Manning saying, "yeah, that guy on the Patriots should have held on to that interception in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl".

And Carl Edwards came right out and said that Kurt and Kyle don't like each other in the post-race interview tonight.

And I do have to admit, Kurt's been a LOT less douchy since he's been on Penske.

Thanks for the insight. I heard Edward's comments, and then after seeing your post started wondering. Totally agree about Kurt since he's been with Penske. He started to kind of win me over at Daytona, and how he handled helping Newman win. He is still far from my favs, but a million times better than he brother.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The new chase format is the following:

Everybody, 1-12, gets re-set to 5000 points. No -5 intervals.

You get 10 points for each win.

So right now, Kyle has a 50 point lead on Junior if the Chase started today.

It would be Kyle at 5060

Carl at 5030

Kasey at 5020

Then Jeff, June, Clint, JJ and Hamlin at 5010

and then whoever else. Although I know the standings got shuffled a LOT tonight, with Smoke falling out of the chase last I checked.

[Dan 'Hampton]

RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Kyle Busch 2686 Leader 18 2 6 11 12
2 +1 Dale Earnhardt Jr.2504 -182 18 1 1 7 12
3 -1 Jeff Burton 2484 -202 18 0 1 4 10
4 -- Carl Edwards 2437 -249 18 0 3 7 13
5 -- Jimmie Johnson 2319 -367 18 1 1 4 8
6 -- Jeff Gordon 2249 -437 18 2 0 7 8
7 -- Denny Hamlin 2240 -446 18 1 1 5 9
8 +2 Kasey Kahne 2177 -509 18 2 2 3 9
9 +4 Matt Kenseth 2166 -520 18 0 0 4 11
10 +1 Clint Bowyer 2159 -527 18 0 1 4 9
11 -3 Greg Biffle 2153 -533 18 2 0 5 7
12 -3 Tony Stewart 2145 -541 18 0 0 5 8

I hate finishing under caution, like at Michigan. Exciting race for most of the night.

[Reephdweller]

The new chase format is the following:

Everybody, 1-12, gets re-set to 5000 points. No -5 intervals.

You get 10 points for each win.

So right now, Kyle has a 50 point lead on Junior if the Chase started today.

It would be Kyle at 5060

Carl at 5030

Kasey at 5020

Then Jeff, June, Clint, JJ and Hamlin at 5010

and then whoever else. Although I know the standings got shuffled a LOT tonight, with Smoke falling out of the chase last I checked.


Smoke is in 12th so he's still in it.

I never realized how much Kurt and Kyle dislike each other either. Kurt had no words at all about Kyle when they interviewed him and then Edwards comments made it all clear. Watching Kurt after his win last week I can see he is much more mature and respectful than Kyle, Kyle is completely arrogant and only happy if he wins. If he doesn't then he's pissed and blames everyone and anything associated with the race.

I felt bad for Yeley because he did a pretty good job in the situation he was put in and ended up caught up in the wrong places at the wrong times.

[ScottFromGA]

I really wish those last 9 laps would have went caution free, that Budweiser 9 had his fresh tires, the fender pulled off his left front tire and looked like a rocket. He went from 26th to 7th in 5 laps have had 4 more to get the lead, until that caution.


Very exciting race, lot better than the 500 in my opinion from start to finish. They keep racing these COT's and it'll get the racing alot better.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Having a green and white checkered at a plate race is fucking stupid because you need a lap to a lap and a half to get up to full speed ANYWAY. The green and white checkered rules should be altered for the length of the track. Also, if a caution happens behind the leaders on the last lap, the leaders go to the finish.

Junior definitely had a top 5 car last night. All the cautions at the end is what fucked things up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, TNT's presentation last night was a fucking abortion. AGAIN. So many things wrong, I don't know where to start.

[scottinnj]

And I do have to admit, Kurt's been a LOT less douchy since he's been on Penske.

Either that or we just see a whole lot less of him on camera. "Distance does make the heart grow fonder"

[scottinnj]

It's long been rumored that Kurt and Kyle don't get along.

It's no rumor, but you are probably being polite. Fox even had a segment where they interviewed the brothers' grandmother and how she had to beg them to get together at her house for Christmas.

What's so sad about it all is that on Mother's Day, the combined douche powers the brothers bring to NASCAR led to a booing session when they came out onto the stage during the Dodge Challenger 400 with their mother. I wonder how good ol mom felt about that?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Her brand new house should make up nicely for a bunch of hicks booing her sons.

[Brock Lee]

What do you think of smokes decision to start his own race team by buying hass racing?

[nevnut]

What do you think of smokes decision to start his own race team by buying hass racing?

BOOOOrring!

[ScottFromGA]

pretty fuckin smart idea.


anyone that doesn't think GM didn't have a HUGE influence in this is an idiot.

[led37zep]

5 laps on this track and they are down to the metal on these tires. Damn.

[Tenbatsuzen]

5 laps on this track and they are down to the metal on these tires. Damn.

uh... what race?

I thought Indy isn't til tomorow.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5029/juan4405465703wx1.jpg

[cougarjake13]

does mandatory cautions take the stratgey out of racing ??

[Tenbatsuzen]

does mandatory cautions take the stratgey out of racing ??

Competition Cautions usually happen at the beginning of the race. In my 8 years of being a NASCAR fan, I can't remember scheduled competition cautions like this. The tires fucking SUCK ASSHOLE and they are doing this so no one gets killed.

I mean, did you see what happened to Kenseth's car?


Stewart's interview is gonna be golden.

[Jughead]

This is the Fucking biggest Fuck up Ive ever seen in my like!!!!Jr.called all the reporters to his garage last day of practice to show them his right rear tire....Fucking cords showing after 7 laps!!!!! When you schedule 2 competition yellows in a fucking multi million dollar race they fucking knew there was a problem...This is the fucking 3rd year in a row this has happened....This is a diamond cut race track has been for 4 years now!!!!!..Goodyear and Nascar are putting life's in danger.....They fucking knew they had a problem back in april when they tested this COT here ......It is a embarrassment and a fucking shame!!!!:furious::furious::furious::furious:

[Jughead]

does mandatory cautions take the stratgey out of racing ??

It can if you take a chance like Jr did and short pit..But everyone knows when they are......They better have one every 15 laps..What a fucking mess....so far...Maybe enough rubber will bet laid down to fix it..But i doubt it.... The rubber is being filed off not laid down because of this racing surface......Its like large sand sticking to everything..Some drivers have thought there was a fire aboard because of the balls of rubber gathering on the underside of the exhaust

[cougarjake13]

i dont know if they could or would be willing to do it but what about a driver and/or team boycott of the next race or races until the tire issue is resolved ??

[ScottFromGA]

that happened at Talladega many years ago....NASCAR then got the teams to sign contracts that they wont and can't strike...so, that won't happen.


This is why your seeing this SHIT. Goodyear is a shit tire, they need to search around for more tire suppliers. It's time for another tire wars in NASCAR.

[cougarjake13]

that happened at Talladega many years ago....NASCAR then got the teams to sign contracts that they wont and can't strike...so, that won't happen.


This is why your seeing this SHIT. Goodyear is a shit tire, they need to search around for more tire suppliers. It's time for another tire wars in NASCAR.

what if sponsors said theyd start pulling their support if nothings done ???

[led37zep]

Tony's crew chief said they are getting 11 laps on these tires now? Wow.

Here is what I don't understand. The drivers were talking about how they liked the Diamond cut on the track because of the grip, did something change on this tire to cause this increased wear?

[tileslinger]

This is just terrible. I can't watch. This is just terrible. I can't watch.

Just put four new tires on everyone and fast forward to 10 to go.

This is just terrible. I can't watch. This is just terrible. I can't watch.

I'm inconsolable my Sunday is ruined.

[led37zep]

Did you see that bird get hit?

[tileslinger]

Did you see that bird get hit?

I missed it I'm sure they'll show it again there's nothing to see on the track.

[Freakshow]

^^^^^I was thinking the same thing.


I have to admit I have fallen into the pattern of taking a NASCAR nap. I put the race on and in a few minutes i'm dozing away. Not such a bad thing, since i'm only watching to see Juan Pablo and usually he's a couple of laps down by the time I think to tune in.

[ScottFromGA]

what if sponsors said theyd start pulling their support if nothings done ???

you forget, sir. Sponsors are signed to contracts just as Drivers and Teams are to NASCAR.


now, this just happened at one race.....I don't see sponsors running away just cause of one major fuck up. If so, then Atlanta would have been the race that they would have said "Fuck it" and pulled support.


Something I think NASCAR needs to do is pull the COT back or shorten the schedule. The older cars were developed with 30 races a year, so there was time to rest and test the cars away from the track. Now there is almost racing every weekend, its hard for these guys to learn these new cars like they did the other ones. They rushed this new car in wayyyyy too fast, not knowing how it would be for the bigger tracks with the higher center of gravity and tire wear issues.


Like Richard Petty said a long time ago, you can always fix things....but the more the fix, the more other things start to show up.

[DolaMight]

I'm contemplating goin to see the whatever 200 in montreal this weekend. I've never seen Nascar and I'd imagine where you choose to sit makes a big difference, I'm contemplating taking the 2nd grandstand overlooking the pit and the end of the main straightaway, it's 150$ for both days, is that a good deal? figured nascar to be cheaper.Thems almost F1 prices. Also there's general admission tickets for 40, are those shit? where you can just see the jumbotron.

Also its a saturday race which I guess is the Busch series not the sunday Winston or nextel series. Is Busch like the AAA of nascar?

[nevnut]

I'm contemplating goin to see the whatever 200 in montreal this weekend. I've never seen Nascar and I'd imagine where you choose to sit makes a big difference, I'm contemplating taking the 2nd grandstand overlooking the pit and the end of the main straightaway, it's 150$ for both days, is that a good deal? figured nascar to be cheaper.Thems almost F1 prices. Also there's general admission tickets for 40, are those shit? where you can just see the jumbotron.

Also its a saturday race which I guess is the Busch series not the sunday Winston or nextel series. Is Busch like the AAA of nascar?

Montreal is a road course race so there's no way to see the whole track from one seat although road courses are usually very exciting. I would probably take the more expensive pit view seats and hope you also have a good view of the jumbotron.

And it's Sprint Cup and Nationwide now and a lot of "big" league drivers usually drive quite often in the "AAA" league.

[DolaMight]

Montreal is a road course race so there's no way to see the whole track from one seat although road courses are usually very exciting. I would probably take the more expensive pit view seats and hope you also have a good view of the jumbotron.

And it's Sprint Cup and Nationwide now and a lot of "big" league drivers usually drive quite often in the "AAA" league.

So Busch is/was like a AAA league? I honestly don't know.

I used to follow just indy till the split and even though they're back together I only occasionally check nascar nowadays.

So 150 is normal for minor league? Pit view is the expensiveness equivalent of the 50 yard line? And general admission is just jumbotron view only?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Busch aka Nationwide is still considered Triple A, because there ARE developing drivers.

The problem is, a lot of full-time cup drivers also drive in Nationwide because of the paycheck and they get seat time to check out the track before the Sprint Cup race.

these drivers who drive a full-time Nationwide schedule are called "Buschwhackers".

[weslank]

Did you see that bird get hit?

The bird getting hit was the best part of the race......big let down,
big yawner............

[weslank]

Competition Cautions usually happen at the beginning of the race. In my 8 years of being a NASCAR fan, I can't remember scheduled competition cautions like this. The tires fucking SUCK ASSHOLE and they are doing this so no one gets killed.

I mean, did you see what happened to Kenseth's car?


Stewart's interview is gonna be golden.

Did you see Stewart rip the headset off an official, and shove another at the ASCA race Thurs. night at O'Reilly?? His car he owns wrecked and they wouldn't let it go back out---too bad Harvick got taken out by Skirt Busch..........

[DolaMight]

Busch aka Nationwide is still considered Triple A, because there ARE developing drivers.

The problem is, a lot of full-time cup drivers also drive in Nationwide because of the paycheck and they get seat time to check out the track before the Sprint Cup race.

these drivers who drive a full-time Nationwide schedule are called "Buschwhackers".

tnx that was the info I was looking for. How can these bushwackers drive a full national schedule if national racedays fall on the same day as sprint qualifiers?

Also can someone confirm with me that 150 is ballpark for pit view grandstand minor league nascar... I really don't want to overpay. it's 220 for world class boring 22 car starting grid f1.

[Tenbatsuzen]

tnx that was the info I was looking for. How can these bushwackers drive a full national schedule if national racedays fall on the same day as sprint qualifiers?

Also can someone confirm with me that 150 is ballpark for pit view grandstand minor league nascar... I really don't want to overpay. it's 220 for world class boring 22 car starting grid f1.

about 85 percent of the time, the Nationwide race runs at the same track as the Sprint race.

A typical race weekend is qualifying and practice for Sprint on Friday evenings, then qualifying and the race for Nationwide on Saturday afternoon or evening, then the Sprint race on Sunday.

This is one of the few weekends where Sprint and NAtionwide don't run at the same track.

[Freakshow]

tnx that was the info I was looking for. How can these bushwackers drive a full national schedule if national racedays fall on the same day as sprint qualifiers?

Also can someone confirm with me that 150 is ballpark for pit view grandstand minor league nascar... I really don't want to overpay. it's 220 for world class boring 22 car starting grid f1.

For just Sunday? I paid 137 for the cheapest grandstand this year for GP Canada. It was 225 for the whole 3 days.

I liked it down there by the hairpin--a lot of action. The only problem was they could cut off you from getting down to the other end with the pits and all that until after the race ended.

[Jughead]

For just Sunday? I paid 137 for the cheapest grandstand this year for GP Canada. It was 225 for the whole 3 days.

I liked it down there by the hairpin--a lot of action. The only problem was they could cut off you from getting down to the other end with the pits and all that until after the race ended.

I have always wanted to see a F-1 race..I wanted to go down to Indy when they were there but never made it.....

[Freakshow]

I think they will be back, the top constructors, except Renault, have way too much invested in the US to allow Bernie to keep the race out. I've even heard Ferrari, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, and Honda want 2 races in the US.

Montreal was a great time, though. The track on the island is very cool. And there is so much going on all weekend.

[cougarjake13]

Sources: Newman, Stewart have verbal deal (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/8395726/Sources:-Newman,-Stewart-have-verbal-deal)

[tjchr]

gee newman going to stewart-hass, only been reported for the last month or so...

that indy race sucked big time, if there was ever a reason for new fans to watch a major race that wasnt it. All they needed to do was to run 10 laps and save all those commercials. Which with espn knowing that they would get plenty of yellow time why did they have to goto commercials in the middle of a 10 lap run? fucking coverage blew

one boring race to another, great pocono this week zzzzzzzzzzz

[led37zep]

ooooooooooh CANADA!!!!!



Lovely rain delay.

[tileslinger]

Yeah how many are gonna wreck in turn 1

[tileslinger]

They look like they are going so slow!!!!

[cougarjake13]

They look like they are going so slow!!!!

thats just the canadian to american translation on your tv

[led37zep]

In Canada racing isn't about who goes the fastest but who can drive the legal speed limit the longest.

Viva the 70mph race!

[tileslinger]

In Canada racing isn't about who goes the fastest but who can drive the legal speed limit the longest.

Viva the 70mph race!

My bad. It feels like 70Km/Hr.
I like the rain tires though. Wonder if they'll have them @ w. Glen

[tileslinger]

I guess there maybe problems with racing in the rain.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-norway-lightning&prov=ap&type=lgns

[scottinnj]

NASCAR tried rain tires before, I think back in the late 70s early 80s when the teams had more control over tires then NASCAR did.

Ever since this deal with Goodyear I doubt it could happen. I'm not a big fan of "exclusive" suppliers to NASCAR teams, like gas and tires. It makes the competition less and less.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Watkins Glen had two of my favorite moments:

Harvick and Montoya fighting...

The dude asking for an autograph from Kenseth under red flag.

[cougarjake13]

gentlemen start your engines !!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

gentlemen start your engines !!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a question:

Why do I like Watkins Glen but not Sonoma?

[cougarjake13]

Here's a question:

Why do I like Watkins Glen but not Sonoma?

b/c its in ny ??

i dunno but i have the same thought

[Dan 'Hampton]

I personally like Sonoma a little better. Haven't any of you driven it on Gran Tourismo4?

[Columbus]

I do not like Kyle Bucsh But he can drive a car. We will see if this continues but WOW he ia good.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I really think that him not being coddled by owners/fans/media has made and is making him an amazing driver.

[Freitag]

Tony Eury Jr. is just getting ripped for his call yesterday during the race. Horrible, horrible call. Has there been any explanation of what he was waiting for?

[Columbus]

I really think that him not being coddled by owners/fans/media has made and is making him an amazing driver.

Tony Eury Jr. is just getting ripped for his call yesterday during the race. Horrible, horrible call. Has there been any explanation of what he was waiting for?

I think your right about Kyle. He is really responding to the hatered directed towards him.

Tony Jr is an amazing Crew Chief. Had his call worked we would be saying it was a great call. But yes looking at it now it was a bone head move.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I think your right about Kyle. He is really responding to the hatered directed towards him.

Tony Jr is an amazing Crew Chief. Had his call worked we would be saying it was a great call. But yes looking at it now it was a bone head move.

I don't agree with that I think it was a mistake for him to go over with JR. He's holding the team back. His one win this year is on a caution on the final lap. I know it'd be tough for him to cut ties with his cousin but it's gotta happen.

[Freitag]

Columbus, how would have his call worked? Jr. was out of pit sequence and a yellow flag was BOUND to come out. They still had half the race to go. There's no point in leading laps at the halfway point if you're 22nd when the race is over.

You can't gain track position back on a road course like you can at Daytona. Once you're in the back and out of sequence, you're screwed.

[Columbus]

I really like the Idea he stayed with the team. Just wait you will see he is really great.

[Dan 'Hampton]

You can't gain track position back on a road course like you can at Daytona. Once you're in the back and out of sequence, you're screwed.

Didn't busch come from like 29th to win at Sonoma?

[Columbus]

Didn't busch come from like 29th to win at Sonoma?

No. He started on the pole.

[Columbus]

Columbus, how would have his call worked? Jr. was out of pit sequence and a yellow flag was BOUND to come out. They still had half the race to go. There's no point in leading laps at the halfway point if you're 22nd when the race is over.

.

I am really not saying it could or would but hao many time do we see dumb calls end up winning the race? It happens.

[Freakshow]

No. He started on the pole.

at Infineon? wikipedia says Kasey Kahne started on the pole there.


But Montoya started this race in 25th, and Ambrose started 43rd.

[Columbus]

at Infineon? wikipedia says Kasey Kahne started on the pole there.


But Montoya started this race in 25th, and Ambrose started 43rd.

Oh shit. Im sorry I was thinking this past weekend. Im sorry.
<------= Huge Void on Knowledge.

[Freitag]

I really like the Idea he stayed with the team. Just wait you will see he is really great.

Columbus, I've been following Jr. since 2001 and weighed the criticisms for and against him a lot. The problems are the following:

1) Jr. doesn't like change and has a hard time adjusting to direction.
2) He is comfortable with Tony Jr.
3) Tony Jr. is just not that good of a crew chief. he's a good people person and handles Dale jr. well, but it was roundly said that Dale's biggest mistake in his move to HMS was taking Tony Jr. with him with all the assets they have there.

After watching what happened yesterday, I really hope that Jr. loses the cup by about 30 or so points to whoever wins and it's Tony Jr's boneheaded manuevers that led to it.

[Freitag]

The key phrase is "out of pit sequence".

At a track like the Glen, where you only need three or four stops, going out of sequence KILLS you. That's what happened to Dale. Tony kept him out there, and the yellow came out, and Jr was in no-man's land. He was the last one to pit on the lead lap, thereby screwing him up especially when the yellow came out. He was the only lead lap car to come in on that yellow.

Junior is not that strong of a road racer anyway.

[Columbus]

Columbus, I've been following Jr. since 2001 and weighed the criticisms for and against him a lot. The problems are the following:

1) Jr. doesn't like change and has a hard time adjusting to direction.
2) He is comfortable with Tony Jr.
3) Tony Jr. is just not that good of a crew chief. he's a good people person and handles Dale jr. well, but it was roundly said that Dale's biggest mistake in his move to HMS was taking Tony Jr. with him with all the assets they have there.

After watching what happened yesterday, I really hope that Jr. loses the cup by about 30 or so points to whoever wins and it's Tony Jr's boneheaded manuevers that led to it.

Hey great point. I do understand and get what you are sayin. And All we can do is wait and see.

[whiskyriver]

ESPN blows........best race to watch all year and all I'm seeing is ads
when it's not an ad it's follow the names.....holy shit there are 43 cars great races all over show it god damn it!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

ESPN's coverage is better than TNT's.

[Jughead]

What a fuck up Casey said it was his spotters fault ....Clint is a Dick He wrecked David R. last week.....:furious:

[Jughead]

Next year Casey sponsor Jack....WOW??

[Jughead]

Tony......... Jeff Bump.....:drunk:

[whiskyriver]

ESPN's coverage is better than TNT's.
I guess.........just pisses me off that the old espn was the f-in place to see a race,now not so much.

[Jughead]

I never thought i would say it but ..Rusty has come a long way from his open wheel Commentary.......

[whiskyriver]

I did like the tnt split screen when the ads ran,but I guess the sponsors have to agree to that

[whiskyriver]

I never thought i would say it but ..Rusty has come a long way from his open wheel Commentary.......

that whole season was strange,but I guess they needed to something with Rusty while they waited to get NASCAR back

[Jughead]

That Kyle.....He is amazing......Love Hate....:wallbash:

[Jughead]

that whole season was strange,but I guess they needed to something with Rusty while they waited to get NASCAR back

I just could not believe he admitted to getting his ass chewed by somebody on national tv..If you happened to see the pre-race segment......Thought that was pretty humble for Rusty...

[Jughead]

I have always liked Dave B.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Anyone want to take bets on what Kyle's penalty is going to be?

I'd take away his chase bonus points. Docking him 100 at this point does no good.

[cougarjake13]

Anyone want to take bets on what Kyle's penalty is going to be?

I'd take away his chase bonus points. Docking him 100 at this point does no good.



yeh i agree

he's already clinched a spot in the chase and the points standings as they are now are going to be meaningless so it wont matter


and right now he'd have 80 bonus points just ahead of edwards with 60 so thats def gonna be a huge penalty

[Tenbatsuzen]

yeh i agree

he's already clinched a spot in the chase and the points standings as they are now are going to be meaningless so it wont matter


and right now he'd have 80 bonus points just ahead of edwards with 60 so thats def gonna be a huge penalty

Is that 60 with or without the Vegas win? He's not getting a bonus for Vegas because of the oil pan.

Carl may be penalized too because of the retaliation, but who knows.

[cougarjake13]

Is that 60 with or without the Vegas win? He's not getting a bonus for Vegas because of the oil pan.

Carl may be penalized too because of the retaliation, but who knows.



i was just going by the 6 wins he had, so if he got banged for the oil pan infraction then i guess its only 50

[Bossanova]

Alright, I am a casual at best watcher of the sport. I usually have no favorite, ind of liked Jimmie Johnson after he did O&A. Well I just read the Rollingstone article on Tony Stewart and I am now a complete fan of Stewart. I knew he was insane, but I never knew he was a throwback. Not only that he is a really laidback, everyday guy. Gained a ton of respect for the guy. Great read, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you try to.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Alright, I am a casual at best watcher of the sport. I usually have no favorite, ind of liked Jimmie Johnson after he did O&A. Well I just read the Rollingstone article on Tony Stewart and I am now a complete fan of Stewart. I knew he was insane, but I never knew he was a throwback. Not only that he is a really laidback, everyday guy. Gained a ton of respect for the guy. Great read, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you try to.

The Rolling Stone article is hysterical.



Pussy, money and race cars. That’s pretty much all I care about.



QFT, my friend. Q....F...T...

[Bossanova]

The Rolling Stone article is hysterical.



QFT, my friend. Q....F...T...




It really was. Like I said, as a casual watcher, I thought he was an asshole. He has such a great view on life and is damn funny.