Superhero Fight!

[DarkHippie]

This is the unofficiall thread for asking what superhero is stronger, faster, smarter, or would win in a fight. Lesser known characters welcome

I'll start it off, cause this one has been bothering me:

Who's Smarter, Mr. Terriffic or The Elongated Man?

Normally I would say T-face, but after finishing 52 last week (finally) I have to give it to Dibny. The shit with Detective Chimp and the ending clinches it.

[EliSnow]

This is the unofficiall thread for asking what superhero is stronger, faster, smarter, or would win in a fight. Lesser known characters welcome

I'll start it off, cause this one has been bothering me:

Who's Smarter, Mr. Terriffic or The Elongated Man?

Normally I would say T-face, but after finishing 52 last week (finally) I have to give it to Dibny. The shit with Detective Chimp and the ending clinches it.

Elongated Man is the better detective, but Mr. Terrific is far smarter. The man made flying orbs that acts as drones, cameras, etc., beyond everything else he's done.

[DarkHippie]

Elongated Man is the better detective, but Mr. Terrific is far smarter. The man made flying orbs that acts as drones, cameras, etc., beyond everything else he's done.

If he's so smart, why does he have that dumb ass T on his face?

Ok, who would win in a fight, Martian Manhunter or Hal Jordan?

[EliSnow]

If he's so smart, why does he have that dumb ass T on his face?

Bad design taste does not equal stupidity.

Ok, who would win in a fight, Martian Manhunter or Hal Jordan?

J'onn. He's like 10 superheroes rolled up into one: he has (1)super-strength, (2) can fly, (3) can turn himself invisible, (4) can phase through objects, (5) has "Martian vision" which has been written to do a lot of different things, (6) can shape shift, and (7) is a telepath, who could use that power to mess up Jordan's concentration while he tries to make a giant boxing glove.

Daredevil v. Moon Knight. Go.

[Sinestro]

Sinestro beats them all!!!!!

[EliSnow]

Sinestro beats them all!!!!!

Except that he rarely beats anyone.

[thejives]

J'onn. He's like 10 superheroes rolled up into one has super-strength, can fly, can turn himself invisible, can phase through objects, has "Martian vision" which has done almost everything, can shape shift, and is a telepath, who could use that power to mess up Jordan's concentration while he tries to make a giant boxing glove.

I dunno.
Hal Jordan is a scrapper. It's a classic case of hardcore ingenuity vs. extensive powers.

How about Hellboy vs. The Thing

[Sinestro]

Except that he rarely beats anyone.

GAWK!!!! It's the writer's fault.:wallbash:

[DarkHippie]

Is moon knight still dependent on the moon phase? Is so, moonknight could take him only on a full moon. Daredevil is too good of a fighter.

How about Daredevil vs Iron Fist?

[thejives]

Is moon knight still dependent on the moon phase? Is so, moonknight could take him only on a full moon. Daredevil is too good of a fighter.

How about Daredevil vs Iron Fist?

Even during Jae Lee's Iron Fist run he was lame.
I'm going with Daredevil.

[DarkHippie]

I dunno.
Hal Jordan is a scrapper. It's a classic case of hardcore ingenuity vs. extensive powers.

How about Hellboy vs. The Thing

Yeah, but hal's powers are based on willpower. J'onn can get into his head with telepathy and sap his will.

I don't know much about Hellboy, but based on the movie, I'd say that the Thing pwns him badly.

[Sinestro]

Mockingbird vs. Blackcat

[EliSnow]

Even during Jae Lee's Iron Fist run he was lame.
I'm going with Daredevil.

Brubaker's Iron Fist is getting a lot better, but I'm sticking with Daredevil.

[Sinestro]

Just light a match and the Martianmanhunter will melt like butter.

[DarkHippie]

Even during Jae Lee's Iron Fist run he was lame.
I'm going with Daredevil.

no way, even if you wanna say that their fighting skills are equal (which is a stretch) Iron Fist can heal himself and project his Chi. And he can make his fist 'liken a thing of iron' ;)

I'm a bit biased though, cause i love the old school Heroes for Hire, and the new Iron Fist series is splended

[EliSnow]

Mockingbird vs. Blackcat

Black Cat will find Mockingbird's grave, stand on it, and declare victory.

[DarkHippie]

Just light a match and the Martianmanhunter will melt like butter.

he's over that now

[Sinestro]

Superman vs. the Martian Manhunter

[DarkHippie]

Black Cat will find Mockingbird's grave, stand on it, and declare victory.

Fatality.

If she was alive i would give it to Mockingbird. Didn't she use guns? Guns are hard to beat

[EliSnow]

Just light a match and the Martianmanhunter will melt like butter.

Not anymore. The Trial By Fire story arc of JLA clarified that weakness. Now he's only vulnerable to "fires of psychic significance," as flames of suffering or passion.

[Sinestro]

Black Cat will find Mockingbird's grave, stand on it, and declare victory.

Poor Mockingbird. Sinestro did not know.:down:

[EliSnow]

Fatality.

If she was alive i would give it to Mockingbird. Didn't she use guns? Guns are hard to beat


Yeah, you always see superheroes give up when they face an opponent with guns.








:tongue:

[MadMatt]

Bad design taste does not equal stupidity.



J'onn. He's like 10 superheroes rolled up into one: he has (1)super-strength, (2) can fly, (3) can turn himself invisible, (4) can phase through objects, (5) has "Martian vision" which has been written to do a lot of different things, (6) can shape shift, and (7) is a telepath, who could use that power to mess up Jordan's concentration while he tries to make a giant boxing glove.

Daredevil v. Moon Knight. Go.

I wouldn't give up on GL so easily - his power ring should be able to block telepathic attacks, and all that is really necessary to defeat Martian Manhunter is fire. If we are talking unconventional fighting, then Green Lantern should be able to contain and destroy Manhunter. EX: Bind MM in a power bubble that won't let him dematerialize then jam him int a volcano and release the field, but hold mi there until he burns to death.

I'm not saying Martian Manhunter is a pushover, but lets not assume Green Lantern is out of his element. He wields "The Most Powerful Weapon in the Universe" after all.

As for DD vs. MK, I am going to say it depends on the phase of the moon. Generally I would give the edge to Daredevil because of his fighting ability, agility, and the edge his powers give him. However, Moon Knight is a superbly trained hand-to-hand combatant that ranks up there with the best in Marvel. Since his strength increases as the moon gets closer to full, he might gain an edge. If he can connect with Devil then he could put him down.

All things being equal, I am going with Dardevil.

EDIT: Damn, you bastards are moving too fast.

EDIT 2: And I see MM is no longer weakened by fire. I still think Green Lantern would win, but I have to think more about strategy.

[EliSnow]

Superman vs. the Martian Manhunter

They've fought several times, and MM has never won.

[DarkHippie]

Superman vs. the Martian Manhunter

I knew this was gonna come up. I just don't see how anyone can beat J'onn with out magic or telepathy or something like that. Punching doesn't work against someone who can change his density and shape. But Supes has proven before that he can take out almost anyone. I think it would come down to luck and if J'onn uses all his powers

[DarkHippie]

Not anymore. The Trial By Fire story arc of JLA clarified that weakness. Now he's only vulnerable to "fires of psychic significance," as flames of suffering or passion.

God, he's such a drama queen ;)

[Sinestro]

They've fought several times, and MM has never won.


But isn't Johnn Jonnzz whatever the Green Superman?

[EliSnow]

I wouldn't give up on GL so easily - his power ring should be able to block telepathic attacks, and all that is really necessary to defeat Martian Manhunter is fire.

Again, not anymore.

okay. Hawkeye v. Green Arrow (Oliver Queen).

I'm prefer Hawkeye as a character over Green Arrow, and think that given Cap's training, Hawkeye the better fighter. If it was Connor (Ollie's kid) instead of Ollie, I'd give it to him. But since we're talking Ollie, I'm going with Clint.

[DarkHippie]

Again, not anymore.

okay. Hawkeye v. Green Arrow (Oliver Queen).

I'm prefer Hawkeye as a character over Green Arrow, and think that given Cap's training, Hawkeye the better fighter. If it was Connor (Ollie's kid) instead of Ollie, I'd give it to him. But since we're talking Ollie, I'm going with Clint.

I like Green Arrow better, but I think Hawkeye would win for the reasons you gave.

Superman Vs Black Adam (before he lost the ability to change)

[EliSnow]

But isn't Johnn Jonnzz whatever the Green Superman?

Pretty much, with even more powers than Supes.

He's probably lost more often because of Supe's heat vision (which shouldn't be as much of a problem), but in the DC universe, he's not going to beat Supes. The writers won't let him.

[Sinestro]

Since Sinestro trained Hal Jordan, Jordan could make a green image of martians burning. I bet that would traumatize MM.

[Sinestro]

Zatanna vs. the Scarlett Witch.

[EliSnow]

Since Sinestro trained Hal Jordan, Jordan could make a green image of martians burning. I bet that would traumatize MM.

Too complex of a creation for Hal Jordan. Kyle could do that, but Hal's limited to giant boxing gloves, hands, and simple objects.





Okay, I'm just letting Hal have it, aren't I? And the above was tongue-in-cheek.

[EliSnow]

Zatanna vs. the Scarlett Witch.

If we had this conversation 10 years ago, I'd say Zatanna. But after Avengers Disassembled, and House of M, Scarlet Witch's powers have shaped reality ("no more mutants"). She's too powerful now.

[DarkHippie]

Since Sinestro trained Hal Jordan, Jordan could make a green image of martians burning. I bet that would traumatize MM.

Good point, but i don't think it would traumatize him to the point where he would lose. Also, eventually he will have to recharge.

Now if it was Sinestro . . . ;)

[DarkHippie]

Too complex of a creation for Hal Jordan. Kyle could do that, but Hal's limited to giant boxing gloves, hands, and simple objects.





Okay, I'm just letting Hal have it, aren't I? And the above was tongue-in-cheek.

That's just cause Hal is a linear thinker, while Kyle is an artiste

[DarkHippie]

Superman vs Black Adam

[EliSnow]

That's just cause Hal is a linear thinker, while Kyle is an artiste

And better than some other artistes, Kyle doesn't take forever to whip up his creations.

[EliSnow]

Superman vs Black Adam

If it's Black Adam now, it would be a very close shot. Black Adam took on almost every superhero except Supes, WW, and Batman during WWIII, and kicked ass. I'd still say Supes, but could be convinced otherwise.

[DarkHippie]

If it's Black Adam now, it would be a very close shot. Black Adam took on almost every superhero except Supes, WW, and Batman during WWIII, and kicked ass. I'd still say Supes, but could be convinced otherwise.

Well, Supes and Captain Marvel usually fight to a draw (although now that he is the keeper of magic, billy would destroy supes) and Adam has always been portrayed as slightly stronger than Billy. I think Black Adam would squeak by.

Plus he has Black Rage ;)

[ToLEEdo]

Zatanna vs. the Scarlett Witch.

Anyone who can think of mass genocide and have it come true should win.

[EliSnow]

Okay, I got two for you:

Battle of the Butlers: Jarvis v. Alfred

Battle of the Sidekicks: Snapper Carr v. Rick Jones.

Edit: Okay, I know it says superhero fight, but I wanted to mix it up a little.

[CaptClown]

Okay, I got two for you:

Battle of the Butlers: Jarvis v. Alfred

Battle of the Sidekicks: Snapper Carr v. Rick Jones.

Edit: Okay, I know it says superhero fight, but I wanted to mix it up a little.

Battle of the butlers: Alfred for the win. Wasn't Alfred a member of British Intelligence before he became a butler?
Battle of the Sidekicks: Rick Jones. If he got the Bucky training from Cap.

Magus battle: Dr. Fate vs Dr. Strange.

[DarkHippie]

Battle of the butlers: Alfred for the win. Wasn't Alfred a member of British Intelligence before he became a butler?
Battle of the Sidekicks: Rick Jones. If he got the Bucky training from Cap.

Magus battle: Dr. Fate vs Dr. Strange.

I think Dr. Strange would destroy Dr. fate. He's too powerful (which is probably why I don't find him interesting)

Alfred had some combat training back in the day, and Jarvis is a bit of a fairy. Alfred by KO.

How Dr. Strange vs the Phantom Stranger?

[EliSnow]

Alfred had some combat training back in the day, and Jarvis is a bit of a fairy. Alfred by KO.



Jarvis has had training too, from Captain America, who taught most of the Avengers how to fight.

[Gvac]

Congratulations guys. This is officially the nerdiest thread EVER on RFnet!

Is Cap still dead?

[reillyluck]

Congratulations guys. This is officially the nerdiest thread EVER on RFnet!

Is Cap still dead?

you should make a sig pic about it.

oh wait...you already did.

[EliSnow]

Congratulations guys. This is officially the nerdiest thread EVER on RFnet!

That certainly was my goal.

Is Cap still dead?

Yep. Although next month, someone else become Captain America.

[DarkHippie]

Cap vs Ultimate Cap

[Gvac]

Yep. Although next month, someone else become Captain America.

Sacrilege!!!

[DarkHippie]

Congratulations guys. This is officially the nerdiest thread EVER on RFnet!



Nah, it would have to have some D&D or Warcraft in it. I appreciate the thought though

[EliSnow]

Sacrilege!!!

Yes, I know.

Although it's not the first time it happened, or the second.

[DarkHippie]

Yes, I know.

Although it's not the first time it happened, or the second.

hey now, back to the topic at hand! Gvac will not be derailing my damn thread!

[PhishHead]

Eternity owns them all

[DolaMight]

Hitler and the entire 3rd Reich vs Captain America?

[CaptClown]

Hitler and the entire 3rd Reich vs Captain America?
Cap of course!

Sidekick Battle II: Bucky VS Robin

[DarkHippie]

Cap of course!

Sidekick Battle II: Bucky VS Robin

Bucky or Winter Solider? Which Robin?

I'd say Winter Solider takes everyone except Nightwing. Grayson is too experienced, too acrobatic, and trained by Batman

[reillyluck]

Mikeyboy or Kevin?

[PhishHead]

Bucky or Winter Solider? Which Robin?

I'd say Winter Solider takes everyone except Nightwing. Grayson is too experienced, too acrobatic, and trained by Batman

I think Winter Solider takes Nightwing as well, he is trained by Cap, and also has superhuman strength and has the cyber arm

[thejives]

Again, not anymore.
Hawkeye v. Green Arrow (Oliver Queen).


Green Arrow! Especially the Frank Miller version from DK. You don't want to fuck with him, and I'm taking his side even if he loses because he'll go down fighting.


Battle of the Butlers: Jarvis v. Alfred

Alfred is one tough son of a bitch. I take him. How many times was Avengers mansion sacked by marauders. Jarvis specializes in getting the piss kicked out of him. (hmmm... I'm going DC on all these aren't I?)


Battle of the Sidekicks: Snapper Carr v. Rick Jones.

Rick Jones Bitch! His shenanigans with the Hulk prove he's buff as hell and pretty determined in a fight. Plus, isn't snapper's power linked to actually snapping his fingers. Pretty fey if you ask me.

Cap vs Ultimate Cap

Old school cap was pretty much unstoppable. The blood diamond series formed my love of Comics.

Hitler and the entire 3rd Reich vs Captain America?

It happened. Cap won.

Mikeyboy or Kevin?

That's like saying God and the Devil. I dunno, but I'm staying out of it.

[thejives]

How about some villains:

King Pin Vs. Lex Luthor

and

Joker Vs. The Green Goblin

[mdr55]

Hulk vs. the Pitt

Shadowhawk vs. Spiderman

Youngblood vs. Alpha Flight

Spawn vs. Ghostrider

Spider Ham vs. Captain Carrot

[MadMatt]

How about some villains:

King Pin Vs. Lex Luthor

and

Joker Vs. The Green Goblin

In a straight up physical fight, Kingpin and Green Goblin take their respective bouts. Some people don't realize that Kingpin isn't all fat - he has a massive amount of muscle. He is a power lifter and has trained extensively in hand-to-hand combat. Green Goblin is superhumanly strong, has an exceptional healing factor, and has fought extensively with Spiderman and others. The Joker is just insane and isn't really one for fisticufs.

If you pull in all of their various skills, Luthor takes Kingpin and I think the Joker takes Green Goblin. Lex Luthor has so many resources at his disposal he could throw everything plus the kitchen sink at Kingpin; plus he has some fight training, although it isn't showcased very much. The Joker's insanity and malevolence would find a way to defeat Osborn. Joker is just too twisted and creative for Green Goblin to stand up over the long haul; Norman Osborn may be clinically insane, but he looks like a psychiatrist next to Joker.

[DarkHippie]

How about some villains:

King Pin Vs. Lex Luthor

and

Joker Vs. The Green Goblin

Physically king pin can take Lex, but i think that Lex finds a way to win because of his resourcefulness.

Goblin has super strength and cooler tech. He wins

[DarkHippie]

The Joker's insanity and malevolence would find a way to defeat Osborn. Joker is just too twisted and creative for Green Goblin to stand up over the long haul; Norman Osborn may be clinically insane, but he looks like a psychiatrist next to Joker.


This leads into the classic matchup: Spiderman vs Batman

[MadMatt]

This leads into the classic matchup: Spiderman vs Batman

I'm saying Batman because he has already proved he can figure out how to take out anybody. He had contingency plans for all the members of the Justice League that worked perfectly (when implemented by Ras Al Ghul). Batman is also supposed to be the best fighter ever in the world and is trained in so many tactics that I think he could adapt to Spiderman's freestyle form of fighting. Add the gadgets and smarts and Batman takes the day.

However, I am also basing this on "old" Spiderman. I know he has gone through some changes relatively recently, but I don't know all of the details. For all I know he could be able to teleport Batman into the sun at this point.

EDIT: This made me think of another good matchup: Batman vs. Midnighter (from The Authority).

[reillyluck]

cheetara or Cat woman?

[EliSnow]

I'm saying Batman because he has already proved he can figure out how to take out anybody. He had contingency plans for all the members of the Justice League that worked perfectly (when implemented by Ras Al Ghul). Batman is also supposed to be the best fighter ever in the world and is trained in so many tactics that I think he could adapt to Spiderman's freestyle form of fighting. Add the gadgets and smarts and Batman takes the day.

However, I am also basing this on "old" Spiderman. I know he has gone through some changes relatively recently, but I don't know all of the details. For all I know he could be able to teleport Batman into the sun at this point.

EDIT: This made me think of another good matchup: Batman vs. Midnighter (from The Authority).

First, for Spiderman v. Batman. Batman's way too hyped up. He's one of my favorite characters, but he's still a regular human being. All it takes is one Spider-punch, and Bats is dead (See Spider-man v. Wolverine. Also, Bats is not the best fighter ever. Lady Shiva, Connor Queen, and even Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) are better fighters, according to DC continuity (and that's geekiness, my friends).

I guess, all I'm saying is that I don't buy the Batman beats all mindset. So please no one suggest Bats v. Supes.

As for Bats v. Midnighter, Midnighter is the better fighter. The gadgets could give Bats the edge. I call a draw.

[EliSnow]

cheetara or Cat woman?

Catwoman, because no one, I mean no one, is hotter than Catwoman:

http://www.julienewmar.com/images/11JNCat5wb.jpg

[reillyluck]

Catwoman, because no one, I mean no one, is hotter than Catwoman:

http://www.julienewmar.com/images/11JNCat5wb.jpg

but....but....i thought....i.....you said.....I.... :sad:

[MadMatt]

First, for Spiderman v. Batman. Batman's way too hyped up. He's one of my favorite characters, but he's still a regular human being. All it takes is one Spider-punch, and Bats is dead (See Spider-man v. Wolverine. Also, Bats is not the best fighter ever. Lady Shiva, Connor Queen, and even Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) are better fighters, according to DC continuity (and that's geekiness, my friends).

I guess, all I'm saying is that I don't buy the Batman beats all mindset. So please no one suggest Bats v. Supes.

As for Bats v. Midnighter, Midnighter is the better fighter. The gadgets could give Bats the edge. I call a draw.

There may be better fighters out there, but given time to prepare, Batman would find a way to counter all of Spiderman's abilities. Stripped of his advantages (like superhuman strength, agility, and spider-sense), Spiderman would be thumped by Batman.

In a surprise, "hey, who the F are you?" kind of fight, I think you are right. Batman would loose. Spidey has fought some amazing opponents and come out on top against all reasonable expectations.

[Bossanova]

but....but....i thought....i.....you said.....I.... :sad:

Only in make believe land my dear. Noone compares to you in real life

[EliSnow]

but....but....i thought....i.....you said.....I.... :sad:

Well, I was talking fictional characters.

Tell you what. Dress up in a Catwoman outift, and you'll be my favorite ever.

[MadMatt]

but....but....i thought....i.....you said.....I.... :sad:

Well, I was talking fictional characters.

Tell you what. Dress up in a Catwoman outift, and you'll be my favorite ever.

Is this where we get to say: "This thread is useless without pictures." :lol:

[EliSnow]

There may be better fighters out there, but given time to prepare, Batman would find a way to counter all of Spiderman's abilities. Stripped of his advantages (like superhuman strength, agility, and spider-sense), Spiderman would be thumped by Batman.

In a surprise, "hey, who the F are you?" kind of fight, I think you are right. Batman would loose. Spidey has fought some amazing opponents and come out on top against all reasonable expectations.

I think I still disagree. Spidey may be the king of the "taking time to prepare fights." Whenever, he's fought some of his villains, often he wins after he takes the time to figure out the villains weaknesses and the way to counter it. Take a look at how he took on the Vulture, Sandman, Venom, Carnage, and others. Spidey's best asset is probably is mind (or maybe his abilty to quip while fighting, it's a toss-up).

[EliSnow]

Is this where we get to say: "This thread is useless without pictures." :lol:

It's the perfect example.

[DarkHippie]

There may be better fighters out there, but given time to prepare, Batman would find a way to counter all of Spiderman's abilities. Stripped of his advantages (like superhuman strength, agility, and spider-sense), Spiderman would be thumped by Batman.

In a surprise, "hey, who the F are you?" kind of fight, I think you are right. Batman would loose. Spidey has fought some amazing opponents and come out on top against all reasonable expectations.

But that's given time to prepare. Batman doesn't have any enemies that has the strength, agility, and brains of spidey. Given time he might find a way to beat him, but thats a big If.

[EliSnow]

But that's given time to prepare. Batman doesn't have any enemies that has the strength, agility, and brains of spidey. Given time he might find a way to beat him, but thats a big If.

Exactly. In almost every Batman v. _____ debate I've ever seen, the people supporting Bats use the "given time to prepare" spiel. Yes, given time to prepare Bats can beat many super-powered people. But why does the fights get to be stacked Batman's way every time?

[MadMatt]

I think I still disagree. Spidey may be the king of the "taking time to prepare fights." Whenever, he's fought some of his villains, often he wins after he takes the time to figure out the villains weaknesses and the way to counter it. Take a look at how he took on the Vulture, Sandman, Venom, Carnage, and others. Spidey's best asset is probably is mind (or maybe his abilty to quip while fighting, it's a toss-up).

Yeah, but Spidey found a way to fight his enemies; Batman can neutralize his enemies (or even his friends). I entirely see your point, and I agree to an extent (Spidey is/was one of my favorites), but Batman has the ability and experience to neutralize Spiderman's advantages.

Think of the times that enemies like Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Venom, and Kraven have disrupted one or more of Spiderman's abilities. It is usually enough to throw off his game and lead to a thorough ass-kicking. Although he will usually triumph in the end, Spidey has taken some serious thumpings.

[DolaMight]

It happened. Cap won.

Oh, then Black Jesus vs Captain America. That never happened.

[MadMatt]

But that's given time to prepare. Batman doesn't have any enemies that has the strength, agility, and brains of spidey. Given time he might find a way to beat him, but thats a big If.

Exactly. In almost every Batman v. _____ debate I've ever seen, the people supporting Bats use the "given time to prepare" spiel. Yes, given time to prepare Bats can beat many super-powered people. But why does the fights get to be stacked Batman's way every time?

I understand that, but...

:lol:

EDIT: That's why we are discussing the issue. Almost anybody could beat anybody given the right circumstances. Figuring that out is half the fun. :clap:

[EliSnow]

Think of the times that enemies like Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Venom, and Kraven have disrupted one or more of Spiderman's abilities. It is usually enough to throw off his game and lead to a thorough ass-kicking. Although he will usually triumph in the end, Spidey has taken some serious thumpings.


Like Batman hasn't? How many times has he found himself captured by the Joker, Scarecrow, or other villains, and had to fight his way out of some death trap they put him in after gettting the best of him?

Also, look at Spidey's villains versus Bats. Each of those you mention above have super-human power (Kraven gets his, I believe through herbs, drugs, etc). Virtually all of Bat's villains have no super-powers (Poison Ivy, I think may be the only exception). Virtually all of Spidey's do.

[EliSnow]

Oh, then Black Jesus vs Captain America. That never happened.

Lucky for Black Jesus.

[DarkHippie]

Hank Pym vs Atom Smasher

[MadMatt]

Like Batman hasn't? How many times has he found himself captured by the Joker, Scarecrow, or other villains, and had to fight his way out of some death trap they put him in after gettting the best of him?

Also, look at Spidey's villains versus Bats. Each of those you mention above have super-human power (Kraven gets his, I believe through herbs, drugs, etc). Virtually all of Bat's villains have no super-powers (Poison Ivy, I think may be the only exception). Virtually all of Spidey's do.

Very true. Neither is infallible and each has been manhandled various times during their careers. Also, each tends to fight criminals themed to their abilities - Spidey fights superhumans because he is superhuman; Batman fights less physically powerful, arguably more resourceful criminals.

But think about this point - it would be relatively easy for Batman to increase his power (using gadgets, drugs, etc.), or rob Spiderman of his advantages. He has the experience and ability to do both. However, Spiderman has a better chance to beat Batman if Batman increases his "power" while Batman has a much better chance of beating a neutralized/depowered Spiderman.

[DolaMight]

Lucky for Black Jesus.

Now I'm not sure if Captain USA is blasphemous or racist.

[MadMatt]

Hank Pym vs Atom Smasher

Can Atom Smasher decrease his size? I know he can grow, but I don't think he can shrink.

Also, does Pym still have the ability to shrink or enlarge items by touch like he did during his West Coast Avengers tenure? Even if they are prepared items (bombarded by Pym Particles) that can be an advantage.

[EliSnow]

Now I'm not sure if Captain USA is blasphemous or racist.

No, just me (the blasphemous part). :wink:

[donnie_darko]

bruce banner vs donald blake
no switching to their "alternate personalities"
just geek vs. geek.

[DarkHippie]

bruce banner vs donald blake
no switching to their "alternate personalities"
just geek vs. geek.

who is donald blake again?

[EliSnow]

But think about this point - it would be relatively easy for Batman to increase his power (using gadgets, drugs, etc.), or rob Spiderman of his advantages. He has the experience and ability to do both. However, Spiderman has a better chance to beat Batman if Batman increases his "power" while Batman has a much better chance of beating a neutralized/depowered Spiderman.


Not sure I get this point. Spidey can beat Bats without Batman increasing his power (no gadgets, etc).. Plus, has had the experience and ability to increase his "power" through gadgets. That's the way he beat the Vulture originally, and Venom.

Yes, if Spider-man was de-powered (i.e. brought to Bats' level), Bats would win. And you could say that about every super-powered person (from Supes to Wolverine). But in this game, the people get to fight with their powers. Also, how do you take away Spidey's powers?

[EliSnow]

who is donald blake again?

Thor's alternate identity.

Doesn't he have a bum leg or something?

[EliSnow]

BTW, you can't get any geekier than having comic book debates on a Saturday night.

[thejives]

Hulk vs. the Pitt
Wizard did this one once, and came up with the Hulk. More experienced, not crazy, but also basically unstoppable because the Pitt would make him REALLY angry.

Shadowhawk vs. Spiderman
Spiderman. Shadowhawk is lame.

Youngblood vs. Alpha Flight

God I hate Liefield. Ummm... can they both die?

Spawn vs. Ghostrider
Spawn, unless it's one of those instances where Spawn's costume randomly gives him a wedgie instead of actually fighting.

Spider Ham vs. Captain Carrot
the vegetarian in me says carrot

cheetara or Cat woman?
Wow. I don't know who would win, but most of us posting on this thread would batch to it.

Oh, then Black Jesus vs Captain America. That never happened.
I'm gonna take Black Jesus on this one... Only because I think Black Jesus could get his hands on a rifle with a scope, and apparently that's all it takes.

bruce banner vs donald blake
Ah shit. If it was Eric Masterson, he wins, but Bruce Banner's a better character with more resourcefulness. Especially in some recent incarnations. I'll take him.

[thejives]

Very true. Neither is infallible and each has been manhandled various times during their careers. Also, each tends to fight criminals themed to their abilities - Spidey fights superhumans because he is superhuman; Batman fights less physically powerful, arguably more resourceful criminals.

But think about this point - it would be relatively easy for Batman to increase his power (using gadgets, drugs, etc.), or rob Spiderman of his advantages. He has the experience and ability to do both. However, Spiderman has a better chance to beat Batman if Batman increases his "power" while Batman has a much better chance of beating a neutralized/depowered Spiderman.

Yeah... this one's a really tough call!

I'll take Batman because he kicks ass.

[DarkHippie]

Yeah... this one's a really tough call!

I'll take Batman because he kicks ass.

yeah, well spidey kicks more ass.

seriously, in a one on one fight, superpowers win

[ToLEEdo]

bruce banner vs donald blake

In the recent Thor series Donald Blake is still a pretty big guy. He would knock Banner out.

[thejives]

yeah, well spidey kicks more ass.

seriously, in a one on one fight, superpowers win

I hate you

[CaptClown]

Hank Pym vs Atom Smasher

Atom Smasher if he still has any of his Nuklon powers like density control. There's nothing like a giant that can go ghost on you.

Non powered Brohter Battle: Black Panther vs Bronze Tiger.

[EliSnow]

Atom Smasher if he still has any of his Nuklon powers like density control. There's nothing like a giant that can go ghost on you.

Non powered Brohter Battle: Black Panther vs Bronze Tiger.

Black Panther. How can you beat a guy whose suit is made from vibranium?

[DarkHippie]

Atom Smasher if he still has any of his Nuklon powers like density control. There's nothing like a giant that can go ghost on you.

Non powered Brohter Battle: Black Panther vs Bronze Tiger.

I always liked the density control. i dont know if he has it anymore. he hasnt used it anyway.

[EliSnow]

I always liked the density control. i dont know if he has it anymore. he hasnt used it anyway.

I've only read about him in JSA (so for the last 7 years), and I don't think I've ever seen him use that power.

[lleeder]

Midnighter Vs. Winter Soldier

[mdr55]

Swamp-thing vs. Man-Thing

Ma Kent vs. Aunt May

Hawkman vs. Angel

Darkseid vs. Thanos

WildCATs vs. Silver Sable and the Wildpack

J. J. Jameson vs. Perry White

Rocket Red vs. Iron Man

The Watcher vs. the Guardians of Oa

Lois Lane vs. Mary Jane

[EliSnow]

Midnighter Vs. Winter Soldier

Midnighter. Any one who can see any outcome to a fight wins any hand-to-hand battle.

[DolaMight]

BTW, you can't get any geekier than having comic book debates on a Saturday night.

Geekier: Saturday night comics debating vs Saturday night doesn't know anything about comics debate observer

[CaptClown]

I've only read about him in JSA (so for the last 7 years), and I don't think I've ever seen him use that power.
I think they forgot about that when he took on the name Atom Smasher.

Midnighter, He could beat that ass and then try to tag it.

Swamp-thing, The whole spirit of the green thing

Ma Kent, she kept superman out of trouble as a teenager

Hawkman just a better version

Darkseid, Thanos has delusions of Godhood.

WildCATs, super powers nuff said.

J. J. Jameson vs. Perry White, draw

Iron Man, has got the better hardware.

the Guardians of Oa, the are immortal and supply the powers for the Lantern Corps.

Lois Lane vs. Mary Jane, Bra and panties match!

[DarkHippie]

The Thing vs Atom Smasher

Mr Fantastic vs Plastic Man

The Human Torch vs Aquaman

[cougarjake13]

human torch vs firestar




silver surfer vs iceman

[ToLEEdo]

Mr. Fantastic would kill Plastic Man, is much more intelligent

Human Torch would take Aquaman, more powerful and can fly vs persuading fish

Silver Surfer over Iceman, he is almost a demi-god and much stronger than a typical mutant

Human Torch takes Firestar, more experience and better skills, better flying as well

[mdr55]

Depends on which version of Aquaman we're talking about. I'm pretty sure he could take on the Human torch easily. Also Aquaman is the better fighter.

[ToLEEdo]

I would take Torch over any Aquaman even the bearded harpooned Thor of the Sea one. I don't think it would come down to a hand to hand fight. Human Torch is on fire and can fly.

[CYYYFYYY]

I am sorry. I am a big Batman fan but he would be killed by Spodey. Not even a clsoe fight. Spidey is faster and stronger. The Bat would be lucky to lay a hand on him

[CYYYFYYY]

Captain America vs Batman

[ToLEEdo]

Captain America vs Batman

They did this a couple of years back. It sucked hardcore. I believe Cap won. I would put my money on him...experience, hand to hand no need of gadgetry. It was in the last DC v Marvel series.

[S0S]

Vixen (Mari Jiwe McCabe) vs. Mystique (Raven Darkholme) ?

[WampusCrandle]

i am personally a fan of hawkman and his people - he would kick Angel's ass. i am also a much bigger fan hawkwoman.

hawkman vs hawkgirl

im going with hawkgirl -she's got spunk!

[DarkHippie]

Mr. Fantastic would kill Plastic Man, is much more intelligent

I dont know about that. Plastic man has no limit to his stretching abilities, and is virtually immortal. Mr fantastic is a genius but not necessarily a great tactician, and he is used to working in a group. I think Plas takes him

[ToLEEdo]

I dont know about that. Plastic man has no limit to his stretching abilities, and is virtually immortal. Mr fantastic is a genius but not necessarily a great tactician, and he is used to working in a group. I think Plas takes him

Mr. Fantastic has been a leader in a million battles against everyone including Glactus and Dr. Doom. I don't recall Plastic Man taking on that kind of force. I might be wrong though.

[DarkHippie]

Mr. Fantastic has been a leader in a million battles against everyone including Glactus and Dr. Doom. I don't recall Plastic Man taking on that kind of force. I might be wrong though.

He's been in the JLA for many many many years

[mdr55]

Joker vs. Jack of Hearts

Wonder Woman vs. Wonder Man

S.H.I.E.L.D. vs. Checkmate

Cat-Man vs. Black Panther

The Web vs. Spiderman vs. the Tarantula

Shaft vs. Green Arrow vs. Hawkeye

Chapel vs. Cable

Badrock vs. the Thing

Capt. America vs. the Shield vs. the Guardian

Plastic Man vs. Elongated Man vs. Mr. Fantastic

[ToLEEdo]

He's been in the JLA for many many many years

You could team anyone up with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern and they would win. I never took Plastic Man as being an integral part of that team.

[CYYYFYYY]

I would pick Superman in basically any fight. I mean lets face it he is insanely powerful... However if I was to put Supes against anyone it would be

Superman vs Thor

P.S I pick Captain America over Batman in an amazing battle

[DarkHippie]

I would pick Superman in basically any fight. I mean lets face it he is insanely powerful... However if I was to put Supes against anyone it would be

Superman vs Thor

P.S I pick Captain America over Batman in an amazing battle

Oh yeah, Superman vs the Spectre. Let's see him beat God's fucking avenging angel!

And I think batman will beat cap because Batman is willing to do things that Cap is too idealist to do.

[CaptClown]

They did this a couple of years back. It sucked hardcore. I believe Cap won. I would put my money on him...experience, hand to hand no need of gadgetry. It was in the last DC v Marvel series.

They did do it a few years ago and Cap conceded.

Jack of Hearts, Cosmic hero

Wonder Woman , Her boobs are made of win.

Checkmate

Black Panther, better tech and vibranium suit.

Spiderman

Shaft vs. Green Arrow vs. Hawkeye

Cable, Scott and Jean's kids kick ass

the Thing, too much experience

Capt. America

Mr. Fantastic, check out the brain on him
Thor, magic.

[EliSnow]

And I think batman will beat cap because Batman is willing to do things that Cap is too idealist to do.


Like what? Name one action or tactic that Batman has used, but Cap has refused to. I've seen a number of people use this rationale to pick Bats, but no one has ever been able to answer this question.

However, I've Cap do at least one thing Bats won't do: carry a gun.