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[Sheeplovr]

so i can get a chirstmass gift next winter carnival
i didnt even get like a jew one
like a pencil or a dradel EDIT::( yay i got a pressent jon is the best admin ever)

being a mod of a topic nobody but 3 people post about stinks on ice

i wanna talk about these 3 new books i picked up strictly on the art

The Engineer

hybird bastards!

and Misericordia

all 3 are on Archadia Studios (http://www.aspcomics.com/) its the publisher that put out mouse guard one of my favorite books out there

i didnt read them yet
but all 3 have diffrnt art style alone they look fantastic

[Franklyn]

I'd like to get more into comic books. I stopped back in 1988. I used to collect "the new mutants".http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/new-mutants/43-1.jpg

[IamPixie]

I was a fan of archie

http://www.golfcomicbooks.com/Archie271.jpg

[Hottub]

I miss these. Good stuff.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/War%20That%20Time%20Forgot%206.jpg

[Dougie Brootal]

comic books are gay.

[JerseyRich]

Where's Uncle Gvac to tell us about this neighbor who used to work for DC and would give him free comic books?

Ahhh...nostalgia.

I used to collect these...thinking they would be worth something.

http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/bear/353/xforce5.jpg

[OGC]

Thank you for bringing up this subject Sheepy.

Dilbert is THE MAN.

[PhishHead]

man you would love my PM's with Eli, we talk about comics all day long.

[Marc with a c]

man you would love my PM's with Eli, we talk about comics all day long.

you know alot of things about alot of things.

[MadMatt]

so i can get a chirstmass gift next winter carnival
i didnt even get like a jew one
like a pencil or a dradel

being a mod of a topic nobody but 3 people post about stinks on ice

i wanna talk about these 3 new books i picked up strictly on the art

The Engineer

hybird bastards!

and Misericordia

all 3 are on Archadia Studios (http://www.aspcomics.com/) its the publisher that put out mouse guard one of my favorite books out there

i didnt read them yet
but all 3 have diffrnt art style alone they look fantastic

Don't blame your lack of a Winter Carnival gift on a lack of action in the Comic Book threads - blame it on your treachery and abandoning the board for PalTalk. :bye:

That said, anybody try the new Marvel online comics - I know they have been around for a while, but they just started their subscription service where you can read a lot of back issues and most of their new titles.

I like the concept, but find their interface awkward. You can zoom, but you can't move the book around where you need it - the page only moved vertically, not horizontally. Maybe they have improved it since I tried it, but it kind of sucked.

The fact you can't download the books is also a down-side for me. They tout the internet based interface as a 'plus' since you don't have to add any software to your system or take up disk space with downloads. However, you can't read the books offline or any time you want. That's a down side to me.

[ToLEEdo]

I got your back Sheepy. There is a lot coming out this Wednesday. I read yours suggestions and get back to you.

[Knowledged_one]

I had gotten back into them pretty steady actually this past year but slacked off when i got laid off

I loved the new Marvel Universe they put out this year but was big into

Exiles, Thunderbolts, Avengers Initiative and the XMen books

[DarkHippie]

I know I've mentioned this before, but the new Iron Fist series is excellent

[EliSnow]

Yeah, Phishy and I discuss comic books and Bowen statues virtually every day.

Speaking of comics, when in MN, I got a gift of a CD-Rom containing every issue of Uncanny X-Men from 1963 to August 2005. I'm almost at the end of 1964.

[donnie_darko]

iron fist reminds me too much of dare devil with a green outfit.
do the same people draw them?


for some reason i'm reading through the ultimate marvel series..presently on spiderman.

that drafted series seems pretty cool so far
um...

[PhishHead]

Yeah, Phishy and I discuss comic books and Bowen statues virtually every day.

Speaking of comics, when in MN, I got a gift of a CD-Rom containing every issue of Uncanny X-Men from 1963 to August 2005. I'm almost at the end of 1964.

that is an awesome gift.

[EliSnow]

that is an awesome gift.

Yeah, last year I got Amazing Spider-man. Only read about 2 years worth though.

I'm planning to do better with this one.

[PhishHead]

Yeah, last year I got Amazing Spider-man. Only read about 2 years worth though.

I'm planning to do better with this one.

i think after awhile I would get tired of reading them on the computer screen.

[EliSnow]

i think after awhile I would get tired of reading them on the computer screen.

I only read about 1 or 2 at a time.

[Soupy_Dreck]

comic books are gay.

if anyone would know...









it would be douggrasso

[Soupy_Dreck]

I know I've mentioned this before, but the new Iron Fist series is excellent



sounds painful

[TooLowBrow]

I know I've mentioned this before, but the new Iron Fist series is excellent

sounds like it should be on the food network

[JustJon]

Yeah, Phishy and I discuss comic books and Bowen statues virtually every day.

Speaking of comics, when in MN, I got a gift of a CD-Rom containing every issue of Uncanny X-Men from 1963 to August 2005. I'm almost at the end of 1964.

As cool as it is, my biggest problem is that I have so many variations of all those issues. I own archives, collections, essentials, reprints and original issues.

[EliSnow]

As cool as it is, my biggest problem is that I have so many variations of all those issues. I own archives, collections, essentials, reprints and original issues.

I only started collecting in 1994, and have only seen a couple of reprints plus some TPBS (Dark Phoenix, Mutant Massacure, Inferno), so for me, it's reading most of the issues for the first time.

[PhishHead]

I only read about 1 or 2 at a time.

yea that is probably the smart way to go about it. I tried to read all 40 years in one sitting.

[EliSnow]

yea that is probably the smart way to go about it. I tried to read all 40 years in one sitting.

Silly Phishhead.

[chubbyknuckles]

it is hard to collect books nbowadays, all i do is wait for the tpb's.

[JustJon]

it is hard to collect books nbowadays, all i do is wait for the tpb's.

I went to the NY Comic Con last Feb, and saw the table for the guy who did Mouse Guard. I walked up and looked and the book looked good, and talked to one of the two guys at the table and said I'd heard the series was fantastic, but I don't read monthlies any more and wanted to know when the trade was coming, which I picked up when it was released in April.

I felt really bad going up to the guy like that, but I just can't be bothered with individual issues anymore.

[DiabloSammich]

I never did and still don't read alot of comic books but a few years ago my brother got me hooked on The Preacher series, and I found it amazing. Is it really that good, or has all comic books come this far?

[EliSnow]

I never did and still don't read alot of comic books but a few years ago my brother got me hooked on The Preacher series, and I found it amazing. Is it really that good, or has all comic books come this far?

It was a great series, but there have been a number of books that are as good or better (favorites of mine being Planetary, Starman, Hellboy, Astro City, Fables, Daredevil). I wouldn't say all comic books are as good, but I think overall comic books as a whole are better than they were 20, even 10 years ago.

[DiabloSammich]

It was a great series, but there have been a number of books that are as good or better (favorites of mine being Planetary, Starman, Hellboy, Astro City, Fables, Daredevil). I wouldn't say all comic books are as good, but I think overall comic books as a whole are better than they were 20, even 10 years ago.


Thanks, buddy. From what I've seen your opinions on comics are not to be taken lightly.

I will say I grew up reading a lot of Zane Grey (westerns) so the whole Saint of Killers and Texas vibe worked for me big time

[EliSnow]

Thanks, buddy. From what I've seen your opinions on comics are not to be taken lightly.

I will say I grew up reading a lot of Zane Grey (westerns) so the whole Saint of Killers and Texas vibe worked for me big time

I forgot to add that you would probably like Hellblazer and Sandman, which Phish and I were talking about just today.

[PhishHead]

everything Eli has recommended to me has been amazing, I have enjoyed everyone.

I only wish I had enough money to buy all of them at once instead of 4 TPBs every 2-3 weeks.

[DarkHippie]

I never did and still don't read alot of comic books but a few years ago my brother got me hooked on The Preacher series, and I found it amazing. Is it really that good, or has all comic books come this far?

If you liked Preacher, you should pick up some of the Hitman trades. They are both by Garth Ennis, and I actually prefered Hitman. It takes place in DC Universe, so no bad language, but its has all the clever humor.

[JustJon]

If you liked Preacher, you should pick up some of the Hitman trades. They are both by Garth Ennis, and I actually prefered Hitman. It takes place in DC Universe, so no bad language, but its has all the clever humor.

Hitman is severely out of print and stopped at 2 trades anyway.

[weekapaugjz]

anyone know when the last y: the last man trade comes out? im too lazy to do a search.

[ToLEEdo]

The last Y trade wont come out for a while I believe the last issue is Jan 9th. I am soo stoked. But Pride of Baghdad just go re-released I believe. Check it out if you haven't already.

[weekapaugjz]

The last Y trade wont come out for a while I believe the last issue is Jan 9th. I am soo stoked. But Pride of Baghdad just go re-released I believe. Check it out if you haven't already.

i read that last spring. i thought it was awesome.

[Stankfoot]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/swampthing.jpg

still my favorite. don't read comics much anymore (obviously)

[weekapaugjz]

i just picked up the last few issues of batman for the "resurrection of ra's al ghul". gonna start reading them now that i finally have some free time. anyone else reading these?

[JustJon]

The last Y trade wont come out for a while I believe the last issue is Jan 9th. I am soo stoked. But Pride of Baghdad just go re-released I believe. Check it out if you haven't already.

I thought it was so great that when I met BKV earlier this year, I had to ask him to sign it for me. I think this comic is prolly the closest any comic ever brought me to tears.

i just picked up the last few issues of batman for the "resurrection of ra's al ghul". gonna start reading them now that i finally have some free time. anyone else reading these?

Looking forward to the trade.

[DarkHippie]

Hitman is severely out of print and stopped at 2 trades anyway.

I have 4 trades right in front of me. I believe that there are six. Its still pisses me off that they haven't made trades out of the last few issues. this series was a gem

[PhishHead]

The Boys by Garth Ennis is amazing as well.

[ToLEEdo]

I thought it was so great that when I met BKV earlier this year, I had to ask him to sign it for me. I think this comic is prolly the closest any comic ever brought me to tears.

Thats awesome. I got back into comics after hearing BKV on RnF. I have to agree with you that is was very touching. What did you think of We3?

[furie]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/themes/ShadedComics/img/We1.jpg

[Sheeplovr]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/themes/ShadedComics/img/We1.jpg

i want We3

i keep putting it off

[Sheeplovr]

The Boys by Garth Ennis is amazing as well.

come to my shop again
pleaaaaaaaase

[PhishHead]

come to my shop again
pleaaaaaaaase

i shall just waiting for my christmas money :)

[JustJon]

i want We3

i keep putting it off

unfortunately, same here.

The Boys first trade was excellent. Very reminiscent of Wanted to me (another book I really liked)

[lleeder]

i just picked up the last few issues of batman for the "resurrection of ra's al ghul". gonna start reading them now that i finally have some free time. anyone else reading these?

I've been reading it. I haven't read Batman or any of the other Batman related titles in a while. I just read part 5 the other day I think I'm an issue behind but I think its solid so far.

[Mangoat]

Just get The Walking Dead and all the Green Lantern books, it's all you'll ever need.

[chubbyknuckles]

I went to the NY Comic Con last Feb, and saw the table for the guy who did Mouse Guard. I walked up and looked and the book looked good, and talked to one of the two guys at the table and said I'd heard the series was fantastic, but I don't read monthlies any more and wanted to know when the trade was coming, which I picked up when it was released in April.

I felt really bad going up to the guy like that, but I just can't be bothered with individual issues anymore.

I do layouts and comic work for small press companies, and it's a really big thing nowaday's with the more "mature" reader just waiting for the tpb. But the burn in producing it is, that if you wanted to put something new out JUST as a TPB, no one would buy it. Kind of like putting out the season before you've seen all the episodes. You need that initial run build up to get anyone to care.

[Sheeplovr]

if you wanted to put something new out JUST as a TPB, no one would buy it. Kind of like putting out the season before you've seen all the episodes. You need that initial run build up to get anyone to care.

The goon just did that
they put out a goon book called china town it looks great i wanna get it some day
youd think i have all the time to read at my shop
but i dont
im dooing to many project in that place

[chubbyknuckles]

The goon just did that
they put out a goon book called china town it looks great i wanna get it some day
youd think i have all the time to read at my shop
but i dont
im dooing to many project in that place

what dya mean doing too many project in that place?

[Sheeplovr]

what dya mean doing too many projects in that place?

sorting books and pricing and inventory

[EliSnow]

unfortunately, same here.

The Boys first trade was excellent. Very reminiscent of Wanted to me (another book I really liked)

Wanted was a great book. Unfortunately, I have little expectation for the movie, since I don't expect they'll be daring enough to keep the clear DC Comics references that the book did.

[EliSnow]

Just get The Walking Dead and all the Green Lantern books, it's all you'll ever need.

It's not out in TPB yet, but I recommend getting the Sinestro Corps War as soon as it comes out. (You may have to get the previous Green Lantern books as well). Great old school superhero storytelling.

Best superhero storyline of the year.

[Knowledged_one]

So does anyone have an idea who mutant zero is? The one being used covertly in Avengers Initiative and World War Hulk?

[EliSnow]

So does anyone have an idea who mutant zero is? The one being used covertly in Avengers Initiative and World War Hulk?

I don't read Initiative, but where did this mutant appear in WWH?

[Knowledged_one]

Continuing the crossover with World War Hulk, we see in a flashback that Gyrich tried to persuade Trauma to join his team, thinking he could be a powerful member. However, Trauma's trainer, the former mutant known as Moonstar, objects to Gyrich's claims.

Sooner though the Shadow Initiative sneaks into Madison Square Garden, where the Hulk has built an arena to deliver captured heroes for their punishment. It is there where they are confronted by some of the Hulk's Death's Head guards, and Mutant Zero defeats them all. It was revealed then that Mutant Zero can only be used once a mission because she needs to recharge her powers.

Apparently mutant zero is a her, and has been on the cover of many issues of comics before, it cant be Jean Grey can it

[EliSnow]

Continuing the crossover with World War Hulk, we see in a flashback that Gyrich tried to persuade Trauma to join his team, thinking he could be a powerful member. However, Trauma's trainer, the former mutant known as Moonstar, objects to Gyrich's claims.

Sooner though the Shadow Initiative sneaks into Madison Square Garden, where the Hulk has built an arena to deliver captured heroes for their punishment. It is there where they are confronted by some of the Hulk's Death's Head guards, and Mutant Zero defeats them all. It was revealed then that Mutant Zero can only be used once a mission because she needs to recharge her powers.

Apparently mutant zero is a her, and has been on the cover of many issues of comics before, it cant be Jean Grey can it

That wasn't in WWH was it, but the Initative crossover?

I don't think it's Jean Grey. I think they showed that Grey's conciousness is in the "White Hot Room (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_%28Jean_Grey%29)."

[Knowledged_one]

oh i dont think its Jean Grey either considering it would be lame after the whole X-Factor rebirth thing

SO if not who could it be?

[EliSnow]

oh i dont think its Jean Grey either considering it would be lame after the whole X-Factor rebirth thing

SO if not who could it be?

No idea -- but Phoenix is the only female mutant not already accounted for I can think of who is reconizable by people who don't read comics regularly.

[Knowledged_one]

where are the rest of our comic fans to help with the conundrum

I would think that Rogue might be a possibility, is Ms. Marvel a mutant? Dazzler? It apparently is a non-depowered mutant from M-Day

[EliSnow]

where are the rest of our comic fans to help with the conundrum

I would think that Rogue might be a possibility, is Ms. Marvel a mutant? Dazzler? It apparently is a non-depowered mutant from M-Day

Rogue recently got shot by Mystique, and was in the control of Mystique and Mr. Sinister. The X-Men were trying to get her back.

Ms. Marvel is leading the Mighty Avengers and is not a mutant.

Dazzler is a mutant, but is with Excalibur/Exiles.

The other person I could think of is the Scarlet Witch, but she's in Central Europe.

[Knowledged_one]

And its hard to look off of the 198 list because this is supposedly #199 so that throws out some i thought of.

Damn cliffhangers

Maybe its a mutant from another timeline like from AOA or something like that

[EliSnow]

And its hard to look off of the 198 list because this is supposedly #199 so that throws out some i thought of.

Damn cliffhangers

Maybe its a mutant from another timeline like from AOA or something like that

Did they show how the mutant defeated the various people she fought?

The timeline thing made me think of Blink. The Blink of this timeline is supposed to be dead, but maybe she isn't.

[ToLEEdo]

it would be awesome if it was Molly from The Runaways.

[Knowledged_one]

You know that is kinda what i was thinking also could be Layla Miller from a diff. timeline?

[EliSnow]

it would be awesome if it was Molly from The Runaways.

She doesn't fit in the category of having been on a number of covers though, or being someone recognizable to those who don't read regularly.

[EliSnow]

You know that is kinda what i was thinking also could be Layla Miller from a diff. timeline?

Same answer that I had to the Molly guess, plus, I'm not sure she's a mutant.

[chubbyknuckles]

Did they show how the mutant defeated the various people she fought?

The timeline thing made me think of Blink. The Blink of this timeline is supposed to be dead, but maybe she isn't.

Haven't they been teasing a Magik comeback?

[Knowledged_one]

yeah but she was a teleporter and hardly cover worthy i would think, but i could be wrong its happened once i think

[EliSnow]

yeah but she was a teleporter and hardly cover worthy i would think, but i could be wrong its happened once i think

In the Age of Apocalypse and in Exiles, they show that she can use her teleportation powers in many interesting ways. Also, she has appeared on a number of AoA and Exiles covers.

From wikipedia:

Blink can teleport large masses, including sizable groups of people. She can also teleport only parts of objects. She can open portals that displace projectiles and even enemies that threaten her. She can focus her ability into short, transparent, crystal-like javelins, which teleport whatever people or objects they touch. She usually keeps a supply of these in a quiver around her back. Her teleportations are always accompanied by a "blink!" sound, from which she takes her codename.

[Knowledged_one]

I was talking about Magik Eli, my bad

I dont discount Blink at all, but it doesnt seem to fit the MO of use power once and they are cooked. I just hope its not some obscure cover person from like the early 80's.

[EliSnow]

I was talking about Magik Eli, my bad

I dont discount Blink at all, but it doesnt seem to fit the MO of use power once and they are cooked. I just hope its not some obscure cover person from like the early 80's.

For the second comment, I'm not sure how Mutant Zero kills so I can't comment there.

But for Magik, didn't she have other magical powers and the Soulsword?

[Gritty]

Has anyone picked up The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - Black Dossier? I bought it yesterday and got through the 'comic' parts but haven't finished the text pieces. Alan Moore is amazing!

[ToLEEdo]

She doesn't fit in the category of having been on a number of covers though, or being someone recognizable to those who don't read regularly.

That and she is like 10.

[BalloonKnotB]

Been out of most current comics' continuity, so I can't speak to much of what's being discussed about the X-Men and such. Anyone remember X-Men back in the 160s - 170s when Paul Smith drew it? It was a big Brood storyline, the introduction of Rogue and Madyline Pryor. Brilliant Stuff.

Haven't caught the end of the "Y the Last Man" run, but anything BKV writes is comics gold. Loving "Ex Machina" and I want to get Pride of Baghdad.

Been mostly reading "The Ultimates" vol. I & II. Bryan Hitch is an unbelievable artists and draws impossibly complicated layouts that truly tell these epic storylines. Great re-take on the Avengers.

The movie version of "Wanted" looks from the trailer to be the essence of the comic minus all the super powers and DC Hero/ Villain references. I'll still give it a look since I'm happy they're mining the comic industry for content on the big screen.

Last Question: Anyone know what the status of "Planetary" is? Did it end?

[GonzoStyle]

I haven't read comics in a very long time, last time was Kingdom Come back in 1996. I did recently start reading the season 8 series of comics for Buffy The Vampire Slayer, only cause I have a sick adoration for that show.

[EliSnow]

Last Question: Anyone know what the status of "Planetary" is? Did it end?


No, unfortunately. They had the conclusion of the Four storyline in issue #26, and Ellis has promised an issue #27, which is purported to be a wrap-up/epilogue.

A google search of Planetary #27 doesn't give any dates for the issue, but Ellis has stated he has written it, and Cassaday has drawn at least a portion of it.

[PhishHead]

No, unfortunately. They had the conclusion of the Four storyline in issue #26, and Ellis has promised an issue #27, which is purported to be a wrap-up/epilogue.

A google search of Planetary #27 doesn't give any dates for the issue, but Ellis has stated he has written it, and Cassaday has drawn at least a portion of it.

i want the last TPB out already so i can finish the storyline. this was my favorite of all the books you recommended.

[EliSnow]

i want the last TPB out already so i can finish the storyline. this was my favorite of all the books you recommended.

Just did the google search again. According to wikipedia, Cassady has promised to finishing drawing issue #27 in early 2008. Presumably, when he's done with Astonishing X-Men.

Then it can be published "sometime in 2008."

[BalloonKnotB]

Just did the google search again. According to wikipedia, Cassady has promised to finishing drawing issue #27 in early 2008. Presumably, when he's done with Astonishing X-Men.

Then it can be published "sometime in 2008."

Straight from Mr. Snow himself! Thanks for the info. Hope I get some Amazon gift certificates for X-Mas. I have some reading to do...

[EliSnow]

Been out of most current comics' continuity, so I can't speak to much of what's being discussed about the X-Men and such. Anyone remember X-Men back in the 160s - 170s when Paul Smith drew it? It was a big Brood storyline, the introduction of Rogue and Madyline Pryor. Brilliant Stuff.



I read one issue of the Brood storyline while in high school, but now, with my X-Men CD-ROM, I can read those issue.

Of course, I still need to get through the Stan Lee years in the '60s'. I'm in 1965 now, reading the Master Mold/Sentinals storyline. I think the first good storyline of the series.

[PhishHead]

Eli when you recommended Astonishing x-men by Whedon, I was a little apprehensive at first, as I remember some of the horrible X-Men story lines I had read in the 80's and 90's but I was pleasantly surprised as the ones by Whedon are absolutely brilliant.

[EliSnow]

Eli when you recommended Astonishing x-men by Whedon, I was a little apprehensive at first, as I remember some of the horrible X-Men story lines I had read in the 80's and 90's but I was pleasantly surprised as the ones by Whedon are absolutely brilliant.

You may want to check out Grant Morrison's New X-Men run. Where Whedon's run is an example of returning the X-Men to old school greatness, Morrison's run (like most of his work) pushed the boundaries of the X-Men in some new great ways. The only problem with that run was that Frank Quitely was the artist at the start, but couldn't keep up so the art is all over the place during the run.

[PhishHead]

You may want to check out Grant Morrison's New X-Men run. Where Whedon's run is an example of returning the X-Men to old school greatness, Morrison's run (like most of his work) pushed the boundaries of the X-Men in some new great ways. The only problem with that run was that Frank Quitely was the artist at the start, but couldn't keep up so the art is all over the place during the run.

is it more then one artist on the run or just Quitely and one other person?

[EliSnow]

is it more then one artist on the run or just Quitely and one other person?

There were several artists involved, though I'm not sure how man. Quitely did a number of them (the best of the run), and then others drew issues here and there when Quitely couldn't keep up the pace. Marc Silvestri, who was an artist on the X-Men and Wolverine in the 80's and 90's finished the run.

Here's (http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=9855) a gallery of the covers from that run

[PhishHead]

There were several artists involved, though I'm not sure how man. Quitely did a number of them (the best of the run), and then others drew issues here and there when Quitely couldn't keep up the pace. Marc Silvestri, who was an artist on the X-Men and Wolverine in the 80's and 90's finished the run.

Here's (http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=9855) a gallery of the covers from that run

wow you can definitely tell the art difference. You can also tell the difference just from the normal comic book x-men art to those ones.

[EliSnow]

wow you can definitely tell the art difference. You can also tell the difference just from the normal comic book x-men art to those ones.

Yeah, the quality of art in some of those issues was really bad, but the writing was really good.

This run also introduced Cassandra Nova who appeared in the second half of Whedon's Astonishing series.

[Knowledged_one]

So the rumors i am hearing is that mutant zero may be Madelyne Prior

Also heard that the baby in the Messiah Complex may be Madelyne Prior as well

[PhishHead]

jubilee? whatever happened to her

[EliSnow]

jubilee? whatever happened to her

She was "de-powered" on M Day, and recently seriously injured (though not killed, I believe) in the series Wolverine: Origins.

[Knowledged_one]

jubilee? whatever happened to her

New Warriors
Jubilee is currently appearing in New Warriors (vol. 4) under the guise of Wondra.[6] Wondra is shown to have superhuman strength (derived from a power suit) capable of lifting a freight train over her head.[7] As a member of the New Warriors, Jubilee acts as Night Thrasher's second-in-command and is responsible for training the team. Jubilee's appears to take a more serious attitude to here role as Wondra.

[JustJon]

I do layouts and comic work for small press companies, and it's a really big thing nowaday's with the more "mature" reader just waiting for the tpb. But the burn in producing it is, that if you wanted to put something new out JUST as a TPB, no one would buy it. Kind of like putting out the season before you've seen all the episodes. You need that initial run build up to get anyone to care.

I realize the need for individual issues, but I just can't deal with them anymore. But if you feel like hooking up a messageboard admin with free comics and/or trades (or any small press companies wanna do some site sponsorship), let me know. :smile:

Haven't they been teasing a Magik comeback?

The trade of that came out last week. It was the latest New X-Men trade, it was ok.

And Mutant Zero was introduced in The Avengers: Initiative (trade 2 weeks ago). All the stuff about about once per mission and mutant #199 came up in her first appearance. I don't think it's Jean Grey - if they bring her back, it'll be a major event- and it can't be Maddy Pryor because she was never a mutant. She was a close of Jean Grey whose powers were all mystic in nature as the Goblin Queen.

[Knowledged_one]

i thought she (maddelyne prior) had some mutant powers as didnt sheuse her powers to help influence cyclops losing leadership to storm when she was depowered from the forge device?

And yeah jean grey would be bad to use again which is why the rumor is it could be madelyne

another name i saw thrown out is Typhoid Mary

[chubbyknuckles]

I'm thinking Maddy Pryor as well, inferno was awesome years ago, and she was a great character, as the burned girlfriend to the tenth power

[JustJon]

I'm thinking Maddy Pryor as well, inferno was awesome years ago, and she was a great character, as the burned girlfriend to the tenth power

Um, you haven't read Inferno since then, have you? I bought a stack of X-Men trades like a year ago, including Inferno. First issue was good, the rest was absolute shite.

[EliSnow]

Um, you haven't read Inferno since then, have you? I bought a stack of X-Men trades like a year ago, including Inferno. First issue was good, the rest was absolute shite.

I agree with JustJon. One of the crappier X-Crossovers. Not as bad as X-cutioner's Saga, but still very bad.

[Knowledged_one]

X-tinction agenda was my favorite i think, very well put together and tied in with every book

Muid Island Saga was good

And the return of Professor X/Shadow King

[Sheeplovr]

what a great thread

[DarkHippie]

New Warriors
Jubilee is currently appearing in New Warriors (vol. 4) under the guise of Wondra.[6] Wondra is shown to have superhuman strength (derived from a power suit) capable of lifting a freight train over her head.[7] As a member of the New Warriors, Jubilee acts as Night Thrasher's second-in-command and is responsible for training the team. Jubilee's appears to take a more serious attitude to here role as Wondra.

I know i'm a bit behind cause i only read Trades, but I thought that Night Thrasher was killed in stanford with all the other new warriors.

[Knowledged_one]

well apparently the new night thrasher is the originals brother, at least that is what they are going with now

[MadMatt]

well apparently the new night thrasher is the originals brother, at least that is what they are going with now

That's horses@#$ retconing if it's true! There was never ANY mention of a sibling in any of the series he was in, and there would have been an obvious impact on the "Folding Circle" storyline. Stupid Marvel!

EDIT: And he was supposed to be a young analog of Batman. Parents killed, rich, driven to avenge deaths and fight crime, useful gadgets, etc. A sibling runs contrary to the loss driving that scenario.

[EliSnow]

X-tinction agenda was my favorite i think, very well put together and tied in with every book

Muid Island Saga was good

And the return of Professor X/Shadow King

I'm sorry to say this, but I think the X-tinction Agenda was the worst of the X-Crossovers.

[DarkHippie]

That's horses@#$ retconing if it's true! There was never ANY mention of a sibling in any of the series he was in, and there would have been an obvious impact on the "Folding Circle" storyline. Stupid Marvel!

EDIT: And he was supposed to be a young analog of Batman. Parents killed, rich, driven to avenge deaths and fight crime, useful gadgets, etc. A sibling runs contrary to the loss driving that scenario.

Yeah, this is a serious continuity fuck up. They probably hoped no one would care since night thrasher was so fucking gay anyway

[chubbyknuckles]

has anyone else read the new x-force yet, any good?

[EliSnow]

has anyone else read the new x-force yet, any good?

I don't thnk it has come out yet.

Yeah, the solicitations have it coming out in February 2008.

[chubbyknuckles]

I don't thnk it has come out yet.

Yeah, the solicitations have it coming out in February 2008.

Thanks eli, i just def like the idea of it, but can't see marvel making it what it's pitched as. A mutant team of hitmen, for the threats that need to be neutralized, i'm not buying it.

[mdr55]

I haven't been into comics for awhile. I used to follow Justice League (and all it's incarnations), All-Star Squadron/JSA, and Green Lantern/GL Corps (I follow DC more than Marvel). I check the Comic book Message board everynow and then. I see Sinestro is making a huge impact on the GL universe and the Sinestro Corps. Can someone fill me in on when or what issue this storyline started at??? And will there be a TPB coming out soon?? Thanks .

[EliSnow]

I haven't been into comics for awhile. I used to follow Justice League (and all it's incarnations), All-Star Squadron/JSA, and Green Lantern/GL Corps (I follow DC more than Marvel). I check the Comic book Message board everynow and then. I see Sinestro is making a huge impact on the GL universe and the Sinestro Corps. Can someone fill me in on when or what issue this storyline started at??? And will there be a TPB coming out soon?? Thanks .

I think somewhere around GL #15, 16 or 17. The main storyline in those books dealt with Star Sapphire (which is relevant to a future storyline), but I believe that's when they started showing some people (including a member of the JLA) being approached by yellow power rings. They also had stories at the end providing histories of some of the Sinestro Corps members.

Like I said, it's someowhere in the late teens. And then it explodes in the Sinestro Corps War special and then in GL # 21.

The story also runs in Green Lantern Corps, with the War staring in #14, but I don't know if previous issues had anything on the Sinestro Corps.

As for TPB, Amazon has a listing for volume 1 of the story coming out in February.

[JustJon]

The last GL trade (still only in hardcover, I think) had the yellow rings and star sapphire.

[EliSnow]

The last GL trade (still only in hardcover, I think) had the yellow rings and star sapphire.

That's right. I forgot about that.

[cougarjake13]

i've noticed that a lot of comics havent come out

is this due to the writers strike ???

[chubbyknuckles]

i've noticed that a lot of comics havent come out

is this due to the writers strike ???

i'm still waiting on the answer, i doubt it. i think the screen actors guild is completely different from comic writers entirely, no?

[furie]

Has anyone picked up the Buffy the vampire slayer season 8 series?
I was a fan of the show and this is the only title right now that interests me and might make me return to a comic shop.

[chubbyknuckles]

Has anyone picked up the Buffy the vampire slayer season 8 series?
I was a fan of the show and this is the only title right now that interests me and might make me return to a comic shop.

I never watc hed the show, but every person i know that was into the show, is insanely crazy about how good the book is and how it continues the show.

[ToLEEdo]

I never watc hed the show, but every person i know that was into the show, is insanely crazy about how good the book is and how it continues the show.

Joss Whedon writes that series and is really good. I haven't picked up any but I've heard they are great. Don't forget our friend of the show ,Brian K Vaughan, wrote the Faith story arc.

[EliSnow]

Has anyone picked up the Buffy the vampire slayer season 8 series?
I was a fan of the show and this is the only title right now that interests me and might make me return to a comic shop.

I was a huge fan of the Buffy show, and absolutely love the season 8 series. As a fan of the show, you know that Whedon is a huge comic book fan, and that translates into how he writes the books.

And as others have pointed out, he's getting help from other great writers like Brian K. Vaughan, who is doing an incredible Faith arc.

It's not as good as seeing it on the screen, but it is great second.

[EliSnow]

[i've noticed that a lot of comics havent come out

is this due to the writers strike ???

i'm still waiting on the answer, i doubt it. i think the screen actors guild is completely different from comic writers entirely, no?

Yeah, the writer's strike does not impact comics.

Comics have always been late, but which ones are you wondering about? There are usually different reasons for each series. For instance, Spider-man's One More Day has been delayed because it's drawn by Quesada, who happens to be the Editor-in-Chief of Marvel, so his day job is getting in the way of the book coming out on a timely basis.

[ToLEEdo]

There are rumors that some Writer's Guild member might be getting offers to dabble in comic book writing during their striking as well.

[EliSnow]

There are rumors that some Writer's Guild member might be getting offers to dabble in comic book writing during their striking as well.

Well, there are a number of television writers who also write comics, such as Brian K. Vaughan and the guy who did Grey's Anatomy and Wonder Woman.

So doing some writing chores on a comic's not a bad way to make some dough during the strike without crossing the picket line.

[ToLEEdo]

Well, there are a number of television writers who also write comics, such as Brian K. Vaughan and the guy who did Grey's Anatomy and Wonder Woman.

So doing some writing chores on a comic's not a bad way to make some dough during the strike without crossing the picket line.

Hopefully we will get some good new reads out of it. Do you know of any in particular out now by TV writers?

[djjd]

i'm a huge comic book fan, but i don't collect like i did twenty years ago

mostly a TPB guy these days, picked up the civil war series a few weeks back along with the first three volumes of 52

grabbed the first series of mouse guard the other day, fantastic stuff

[EliSnow]

Hopefully we will get some good new reads out of it. Do you know of any in particular out now by TV writers?

Too early for that. I'm not sure of the exact time frame (largely because they differ), if a writer wrote a script in the last month, it's going to take at least 3 to 6 months (if not longer) for that scipt to be published as comic book. It has to go to an artist to draw, then an inker, then a colorist, and at some point the writer has to be the dialogue/words in, nd then to the publisher to review, copy and publish.

There are books out now by comic book writers who also write for television (Joss Whedon, BKV, Jeph Loeb, probably others who write for Heroes and Lost), but those books were written months and months ago.

[ToLEEdo]

It has to go to an artist to draw, then an inker, then a tracer, and at some point the writer has to be the dialogue/words in, and then to the publisher to review, copy and publish.

I corrected your post haha

[LordJezo]

Does anyone want to buy my comic collection? I'll sell it for $50.

[EliSnow]

Does anyone want to buy my comic collection? I'll sell it for $50.

Can you describe your collection? The price may be good if you've got a good collection, but very bad if it's just one issue of Ravage 2099.

[PhishHead]

Can you describe your collection? The price may be good if you've got a good collection, but very bad if it's just one issue of Ravage 2099.

I have signed sealed copies of Punisher 2099 and Spiderman 2099 #1's that were given out to comic shop owners, are they worth anything?

It is a weird white packaging that is certified and like one of those notary seals on it to keep it closed.

[EliSnow]

I have signed sealed copies of Punisher 2099 and Spiderman 2099 #1's that were given out to comic shop owners, are they worth anything?

It is a weird white packaging that is certified and like one of those notary seals on it to keep it closed.

My guess is not much, but I don't know for certain.

Sheepy, you're the comic store professional. What are you willing to pay Phish for these issues?

[PhishHead]

My guess is not much, but I don't know for certain.

man that sucks I have all these autographed comics from when my dad owned his comic store and they are probably worth crap.

[joethebartender]

man that sucks I have all these autographed comics from when my dad owned his comic store and they are probably worth crap.

Er, excuse me. No banging your head on the display case, please. It contains a very rare 'Mary Worth' in which she has advised a friend to commit suicide. Thank you.

http://lh3.google.com/AstroAdamB/Rp1eM6gKDTI/AAAAAAAADwc/cbcD5c8SMs4/P1000564.JPG?imgmax=512

[MadMatt]

OK guys, I need some help with this one. I am trying to remember a comic that came out in around 1999-2001. I think I only read the first issue, but it may not have been; either way I know it was very early in the series/mini-series.

The only point I remember clearly is one of the characters is very old and it is intimated that he is Lazarus who was made immortal after being resurrected by Jesus. There is a panel where he stands up the a "bad guy," the view is looking at part of the back of Lazarus, the bad guy(s) look shocked, and there is a golden glow coming from behind Lazarus (like it was right beside the reader and off frame). Apparently it is either an angel or the power of God.

I thought it might have been Ellis or Miller, but I can't find anything they did that matches up - and it definitely isn't Lazarus Churchyard as the "Lazarus" I remember was only a side character.

Can any of you guys help with this? I can't remember what the book is and it is driving me crazy. :furious:

[cougarjake13]

[

Yeah, the writer's strike does not impact comics.

Comics have always been late, but which ones are you wondering about? There are usually different reasons for each series. For instance, Spider-man's One More Day has been delayed because it's drawn by Quesada, who happens to be the Editor-in-Chief of Marvel, so his day job is getting in the way of the book coming out on a timely basis.


mainly thor is the only one ive been pickin up lately

[Sevenyears]

I've been ready comics since the 70's. I've always been a big Jonah Hex fan. I'm glad the book is back but I wish the series would be better.
Scalped is a great series and so is the lone Ranger. I'm also diggin New avengers, Ghost Rider and the New thor has been great so far.

[scottinnj]

Comics are good.
















































How's that for a post about comics?

[Patient zer0]

hi creepy

[LordJezo]

Can you describe your collection? The price may be good if you've got a good collection, but very bad if it's just one issue of Ravage 2099.

I'll take some pictures of it next time I see it, it's not at my place here and the guy who is keeping it for me does not have a camera.

Will be top priority of 2008.

[EliSnow]

I'll take some pictures of it next time I see it, it's not at my place here and the guy who is keeping it for me does not have a camera.

Will be top priority of 2008.

Describe it generally. For instance, if I were to describe my collection, it would comics from 1993 to the present: X-Men, Cap America, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, JLA, JSA, Planetary, Authority, Conan, some smatterings of Batman, Superman, Spider-man, Green Arrow, Hulk, 100 Bullets, and most of the big events from that time frame: Marvels, Kingdom Come, Civil War, Identity Crisis, etc.

[EliSnow]

IGN.com does its best of awards for comics in 2007. (http://bestof.ign.com/2007/comics/)

[EliSnow]

OK guys, I need some help with this one. I am trying to remember a comic that came out in around 1999-2001. I think I only read the first issue, but it may not have been; either way I know it was very early in the series/mini-series.

The only point I remember clearly is one of the characters is very old and it is intimated that he is Lazarus who was made immortal after being resurrected by Jesus. There is a panel where he stands up the a "bad guy," the view is looking at part of the back of Lazarus, the bad guy(s) look shocked, and there is a golden glow coming from behind Lazarus (like it was right beside the reader and off frame). Apparently it is either an angel or the power of God.

I thought it might have been Ellis or Miller, but I can't find anything they did that matches up - and it definitely isn't Lazarus Churchyard as the "Lazarus" I remember was only a side character.

Can any of you guys help with this? I can't remember what the book is and it is driving me crazy. :furious:

The only book I know where Lazarus appeared was Midnight Nation, which is the best comic book J. Michael Straczynski has written.

Great series, with a heartbreaking ending, and I recommend it to everyone.

And Phish, this one just occurred to me after you mentioned Rising Stars.

[MadMatt]

The only book I know where Lazarus appeared was Midnight Nation, which is the best comic book J. Michael Straczynski has written.

Great series, with a heartbreaking ending, and I recommend it to everyone.

And Phish, this one just occurred to me after you mentioned Rising Stars.

Hot dog!!! That is it!!!

Thanks Eli, that one has been really bugging me. I know I read the first issue because I can remember more of it now, but I'm not sure how deep into the other issues I got. I have to get the TPB now.

[PhishHead]

The only book I know where Lazarus appeared was Midnight Nation, which is the best comic book J. Michael Straczynski has written.

Great series, with a heartbreaking ending, and I recommend it to everyone.

And Phish, this one just occurred to me after you mentioned Rising Stars.

I rule!

[EliSnow]

Hot dog!!! That is it!!!

Thanks Eli, that one has been really bugging me. I know I read the first issue because I can remember more of it now, but I'm not sure how deep into the other issues I got. I have to get the TPB now.

As soon as you mentioned Lazarus, it was bugging me to all heck as well. My brain kept saying Preacher, but I knew he wasn't in that book. The only reason I got it was because someone mentioned Rising Stars to Phish, who apparently rules.

[JustJon]

There are books out now by comic book writers who also write for television (Joss Whedon, BKV, Jeph Loeb, probably others who write for Heroes and Lost), but those books were written months and months ago.

Don't forget Kevin Smith (only takes him 5 years to finish a 4 issue miniseries... or to put out a second issue of Daredevil/Bullseye) or Damon Lindelof of Lost (Ultimate Hulk/Wolverine... 2 issues, 6 months or so apart, no one expects to see the third at this point)

[BalloonKnotB]

Just went to a comic store here in my old stompin' grounds near San Francisco. Picked up a Cartoon Network comic for the kids (they'd rather WATCH the cartoons than just read 'em), Then grabbed issue #5 of Omega Flight drawn by Scott Kolins (he's using a shaded pencil technique that looks cool).

And speaking of TV writers doing comics, I'm a huge fan of Joss Whendon's Astonishing X-Men. A pared down team with the White Queen as a good guy. I'd only read the first 2 collections and just picked up the third, "Torn" Cassaday's art is brilliant -- Great characters, expressions and storytelling. He reminds me of Paul Smith's old stuff with more lighting and shading, with a dash of Adam Hughes but has now created his own distinct style. And Whedon's character development is outstanding. I started getting into the X-Men when Colossus and Kitty Pride were just starting their romance, and seeing it rekindled just warms my soap-opera loving guts to no end. And oh yeah, Cassady can draw some balls-out action too.

I used to go to the comic shop on a weekly basis and keep up with a lot of titles regularly. Now I just pop in when I can (both time wise and financially). Definitely going to keep checking in on this thread to keep track of RF.net's favorite storylines.
:thumbup:

[EliSnow]

Hot dog!!! That is it!!!

Thanks Eli, that one has been really bugging me. I know I read the first issue because I can remember more of it now, but I'm not sure how deep into the other issues I got. I have to get the TPB now.

I decided to do some comics organizing today, and found my issues of Midnight Nation, and read all twelve issues again. Great series, with a great ending.

I forgot how great the art was too. Gary Frank is awesome.

Here's the TPB at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Nation-New/dp/1582404607/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199210618&sr=8-1).

[cougarjake13]

Just went to a comic store here in my old stompin' grounds near San Francisco. Picked up a Cartoon Network comic for the kids (they'd rather WATCH the cartoons than just read 'em), Then grabbed issue #5 of Omega Flight drawn by Scott Kolins (he's using a shaded pencil technique that looks cool).

And speaking of TV writers doing comics, I'm a huge fan of Joss Whendon's Astonishing X-Men. A pared down team with the White Queen as a good guy. I'd only read the first 2 collections and just picked up the third, "Torn" Cassaday's art is brilliant -- Great characters, expressions and storytelling. He reminds me of Paul Smith's old stuff with more lighting and shading, with a dash of Adam Hughes but has now created his own distinct style. And Whedon's character development is outstanding. I started getting into the X-Men when Colossus and Kitty Pride were just starting their romance, and seeing it rekindled just warms my soap-opera loving guts to no end. And oh yeah, Cassady can draw some balls-out action too.

I used to go to the comic shop on a weekly basis and keep up with a lot of titles regularly. Now I just pop in when I can (both time wise and financially). Definitely going to keep checking in on this thread to keep track of RF.net's favorite storylines.
:thumbup:

4 posts in 2 years :wink:

[Gritty]

4 posts in 2 years :wink:

Possibly due to the warm feedback the new posters get from some old-timers.

:innocent:


Oh yeah, I picked up the trades for Prelude to Planet Hulk and Iron Man: Extremis. Not normally a Hulk fan or Iron Man (since the Bob Layton days, anyway -- god, I'm old) but I recommend both.

[ToLEEdo]

Possibly due to the warm feedback the new posters get from some old-timers.

I get mad love from the Geek Forum.

[MadMatt]

OK, who reads Green Lantern?

I am working on catching up on storylines now that Kyle is no longer Parallax and I am not angry anymore. However, I am not sure what his power level is now. Did Kyle loose the Starheart power when he lost Ion power (I know Ion is an entity, but still...)?

I know he is back to being a "regular" Green Lantern and uses a ring again, but I thought the Starheart and Ion powers were separate and individual. Any help out there?

[EliSnow]

OK, who reads Green Lantern?

I am working on catching up on storylines now that Kyle is no longer Parallax and I am not angry anymore. However, I am not sure what his power level is now. Did Kyle loose the Starheart power when he lost Ion power (I know Ion is an entity, but still...)?

I know he is back to being a "regular" Green Lantern and uses a ring again, but I thought the Starheart and Ion powers were separate and individual. Any help out there?

It sounds like there was a minor retcon. It appears the Starheart powers were temporary, but allowed the Guardians to bond Ion to Kyle. Once he lost the bond, he couldn't be rebonded (as he didn't have the Starheart power).

Now he's a regular Green Lantern again.

[Furtherman]

post more about comic books

OK.

Truth is stranger than science fiction (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/column.php?id=115108)

As a young, midwestern boy collecting comic books in the 70's, I simply found it intriguing that there were so many references to UFO's, flying saucers, men from Mars, and Planet X type cataclysms in American pop culture. Especially comic books.

[Gritty]

I get mad love from the Geek Forum.

Mad Love? Another great book from Paul Dini and Bruce Timm!

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8586/250pxmadlovecoverlo4.jpg

[EliSnow]

Mad Love? Another great book from Paul Dini and Bruce Timm!

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8586/250pxmadlovecoverlo4.jpg

QFT!

One of the best one-shots ever.

[SHANEFROMGA]

i know its probably been said and resaid but... i just read the whole 52 story from start to finish , and i have to say it was a great f'n read. i loved how they used the smaller b and c list characters, and gave them a place worth something in the dc universe, other than clean up crew for the big 3.

<a href="http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z18/monkeypoot/?action=view&current=52_1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z18/monkeypoot/52_1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[Sheeplovr]

i know its probably been said and resaid but... i just read the whole 52 story from start to finish , and i have to say it was a great f'n read. i loved how they used the smaller b and c list characters, and gave them a place worth something in the dc universe, other than clean up crew for the big 3.


yeah i really enjoyed 52 even though it didnt answer things as promised over all it was fun

sadly countdown isnt as fun
but im still reading it

whats really annoying to is that batwoman they brought in and havent used
when she seams cool
but she only shows up here and there its al murky still i think shes in the next gotham underground wich im enjoying

[TheMojoPin]

Dan, I thought that knife to the heart would have kicked her to the curb.

Bigger Bat family = less gooder. There should be a handful of vigilantes roaming around Gotham, tops.

[JustJon]

I think DC is skittish about Batwoman because of the way they hyped the book as a big lesbian thing and it overshadowed everything else about her.

And I'll read anything that is by the Dini/Timm team. Loved B:TAS. Just finding some of it hard to watch now that I see Toon Disney picked it up recently and plays it at night.

[ToLEEdo]

To bring back the point of non-comic guys writing comic books the writer of Smokin' Aces is going to write a short Taskmaster series. This could be pretty good but not too sure of what characters would be invovled. There is more about it at newsarama.com

[MadMatt]

To bring back the point of non-comic guys writing comic books the writer of Smokin' Aces is going to write a short Taskmaster series. This could be pretty good but not too sure of what characters would be invovled. There is more about it at newsarama.com

That rules! I have always thought the Taskmaster had an awesome power. Having photographic reflexes would be the coolest. :clap:

[BalloonKnotB]

4 posts in 2 years :wink:

I'll have you know I have more than DOUBLED my post count in the last week, sir. :clap: I'm going to try and break the record for being the laziest poster on dot net.

Heard that they're gonna let Jeph Loeb turn the Hulk Red. Anyone know what's up with that?

[EliSnow]

I'll have you know I have more than DOUBLED my post count in the last week, sir. :clap: I'm going to try and break the record for being the laziest poster on dot net.

Heard that they're gonna let Jeph Loeb turn the Hulk Red. Anyone know what's up with that?

There will be a new Hulk book in February, I think. Loeb is doing that book, and the Hulk will be red. Whether it's the original Hulk is to be seen, but if you read the end of World War Hulk, it suggests that it is.

[PhishHead]

There will be a new Hulk book in February, I think. Loeb is doing that book, and the Hulk will be red. Whether it's the original Hulk is to be seen, but if you read the end of World War Hulk, it suggests that it is.

I have heard rumors that it is really Rick Jones and that he isn't dead, which would just be crazy, but who knows with marvel they always bring back dead characters.

I thought the new hulk book starts next week (my friend said that red hulk starts next week, but he could be completely wrong).

Pak will now be doing Skaar: The son of Hulk which should be interesting. I enjoy Pak's work.

[EliSnow]

I have heard rumors that it is really Rick Jones and that he isn't dead, which would just be crazy, but who knows with marvel they always bring back dead characters.

I thought the new hulk book starts next week (my friend said that red hulk starts next week, but he could be completely wrong).

Pak will now be doing Skaar: The son of Hulk which should be interesting. I enjoy Pak's work.


You're right, it's (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8037) coming out next week.

[PhishHead]

You're right, it's (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8037) coming out next week.

I think the art of Red Hulk looks amazing actually.

There have been some previews released of Abomination vs Red Hulk and it looks awesome actually, even though Abomination looks different then his usual self.

[MadMatt]

I think the art of Red Hulk looks amazing actually.

There have been some previews released of Abomination vs Red Hulk and it looks awesome actually, even though Abomination looks different then his usual self.

I'm a big fan of Ed McGuinness' artwork - It's kind of like "cartoon realism." Although I haven't officially read many comics recently, I still keep track of many titles. I think the McGuinness version of Superman is one of my favorites of all time.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/interviews/mcguinness2.jpg

[cougarjake13]

what if the civil war ended differently (http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/1952new_storyimage6285606_full.jpg)

cool pic of iron man in a semi capt america costume

[TheMojoPin]

Why would IRON Man need a shield?

[cougarjake13]

Why would IRON Man need a shield?

other than to show you he's capt iron man america... none

[TheMojoPin]

Iron Man's "regular universe" helmet has always bugged me...it's too damn small. It's always drawn as if it's a basically a thin layer going over Stark's head, and it's clearly supposed to be a helmet, implying his head is much smaller than it actually has to be. I love the bulky "Ultimate" version is much better:

http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/ultimates/images/14.jpg

[ToLEEdo]

what if the civil war ended differently (http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/1952new_storyimage6285606_full.jpg)

cool pic of iron man in a semi capt america costume

Actually that is Cap with Iron Man armor. Hence the shield and colors.

[cougarjake13]

Actually that is Cap with Iron Man armor. Hence the shield and colors.

shit didnt know

guess if you read it it tells you that

[ToLEEdo]

shit didnt know

guess if you read it it tells you that

Haha, it is all in the details.

[djjd]

latest reads

siver surfer: requiem (hardcover)

death of captain america (hardcover)

justice volumes 1 and 2 (hardcover)

justice league: the tornado's path (hardcover)

all star superman (hardcover)

picking up the absolute sandman II next week

[Drunky McBetidont]

i have the complete collection of groo the wanderer. i dont know if it is worth much but i keep em in plastic sleeves and read em every now and then. they seem to hold up as far as anything else i have read lately.

i cant wait for th first edition of sheeplvr the paltalker to hit the stands!:thumbup:

[djjd]

groo rules

i've got some individual issues and TPB's

[djjd]

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6760/300pxgroorufferto4dv.jpg

[djjd]

http://www.fireflake.com/groo/npm_3_11.gif

[Knowledged_one]

this is an interesting read

http://powet.tv/2007/04/01/exclusive-future-marvel-comics-storylines-revealed/

[JustJon]

this is an interesting read

http://powet.tv/2007/04/01/exclusive-future-marvel-comics-storylines-revealed/

From April 1, 2007

[ZigZagBigBag]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/25/250px-Alpha.gif

most of my comic-reading is marvel. i always seem to get into the cool stuff like frank miller and alan moore about 10 years after everyone else...for example i just started reading love and rockets last week. none of my friends like comics either...so i find it hard to find new cool stuff. i tried searching david mack on my bittorrent thing to no avail either. sad now.

[mdr55]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/25/250px-Alpha.gif





Dang. The good old days of Alpha Flight.

[BalloonKnotB]

Had the biggest crush on Aurora (the female twin) when I was reading Alpha Flight. Me and my geek buddies were floored when Byrne killed Guardian in issue #12.

Oops! SPOILER ALERT!!

[cougarjake13]

whats the story behind this superman ???


http://www.marcsweb.de/bilder/Superman%20blue.jpg

[PhishHead]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/25/250px-Alpha.gif



anyone else remember when Northstar came out of the closest from Alpha Flight and it was just unheard of in the comic book world basically.

[EliSnow]

whats the story behind this superman ???


http://www.marcsweb.de/bilder/Superman%20blue.jpg

It happened not too long after Supes was resurrected.

Here's a quick synopsis from this site (http://www.supermansupersite.com/1997.html):

Superman began to develop energy-based abilities after troubles he believed stemmed from a natural evolution of his "classic" powers. His condition was unstable and eventually forced him to adopt a blue and white containment suit. He also gained the ability to turn his powers "off," though this left him as vulnerable as a normal human.

Eventually, Superman split into two beings who represented different aspects of his personality, though each believed himself to be the original. After an encounter with the planet-threatening Millennium Giants, the Supermen merged and Superman returned to his normal powers and classic costume. The explanation is vague; Superman felt he was "rewarded" for saving the world, although he claimed in a JLA storyline that he returned to normal when his electromagnetic energy dispersed.

When Superman spilt into two beings, one was red, one was blue. This was a homage to a Superman "Imaginary Story" in Superman #162, when Superman was split into Superman Red and Superman Blue.

[ZigZagBigBag]

anyone else remember when Northstar came out of the closest from Alpha Flight and it was just unheard of in the comic book world basically.

figures that they would make the french-canadian guy the gay one. i figured if anyone in the marvel universe would come out it would be Quasar.

http://www.quantumzone.org/main_image.gif

[djjd]

anyone read "Castle Waiting", it's interesting tale in the cerebus/bone type genre, but no where near as good as either one of those

http://yafantasy.com/bookcovers/castlewaiting.jpg

[djjd]

re-reading Paul Chadwick's Concrete collection now, one of my faves

http://www.lambiek.net/artists/c/chadwick_paul/chadwick_concrete2.jpg

picked up The World Below recently, not bad, but not as good as concrete imo

http://www.playbackstl.com/images/stories/paneldiscussion/0507/worldbelow.jpg

[BalloonKnotB]

Huge Paul Chadwick fan. Loved the story about Concrete climbing Mount Everest.

[JustJon]

anyone else remember when Northstar came out of the closest from Alpha Flight and it was just unheard of in the comic book world basically.

It was done by DC about 2 months before it in Flash, but they didn't feel the need to make a big deal of it.

[mdr55]

Who came out in Flash???

[booster11373]

Who came out in Flash???

The Pied Piper came out as gay

[JustJon]

Who came out in Flash???

The Pied Piper came out as gay

Yeah, Pied Piper. And it was literally about 2 months before the Northstar thing. My memory is a lil fuzzy as to whether it was as he started working with Flash as a good guy or right before.

[Sheeplovr]

i hope superman book gets better i like action comics but the past bunch of superman books stunk so bad

but i enjoy batman and dectective comics alot

[EliSnow]

i hope superman book gets better i like action comics but the past bunch of superman books stunk so bad

but i enjoy batman and dectective comics alot

Are you talking about the 5th Kryptonian storyline?

I'd like to say I'm a Superman fan, but I don't regularly collect Superman stories (other than All-Star Superman). I just don't get into Superman comics the way I do other comics. But I love Superman the character.

[MadMatt]

Why would IRON Man need a shield?

Actually that is Cap with Iron Man armor. Hence the shield and colors.

OK, that makes more sense. Very cool look overall.

But how about this: What the hell could cause that kind of damage to Cap's shield? It is nigh indestructible. Did they explain that in the story?

EDIT: and I know these comments were from about a week ago, but I am just catching up now.

[chubbyknuckles]

Are you talking about the 5th Kryptonian storyline?

I'd like to say I'm a Superman fan, but I don't regularly collect Superman stories (other than All-Star Superman). I just don't get into Superman comics the way I do other comics. But I love Superman the character.

I'd buy a collection in tpb from whatever series Gary Frank is working on now, but beyond that I just can't get down with superman as a character it's kind of why i'm hoping this big company crossover kills him off or makes him a god or something different. I feel he's the same f'n character and its just redundancy, never a change to status quo.

[EliSnow]

I'd buy a collection in tpb from whatever series Gary Frank is working on now, but beyond that I just can't get down with superman as a character it's kind of why i'm hoping this big company crossover kills him off or makes him a god or something different. I feel he's the same f'n character and its just redundancy, never a change to status quo.

Try All-Star Superman (http://www.amazon.com/All-Star-Superman-Vol-1/dp/1401209149/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200344744&sr=8-1). Grant Morrison wrote it and Frank Quitely does the art. Really great Superman stories, and because they are separate from the main DC continuity, they can mess around, and take the best parts of Superman from history.

[chubbyknuckles]

Try All-Star Superman (http://www.amazon.com/All-Star-Superman-Vol-1/dp/1401209149/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200344744&sr=8-1). Grant Morrison wrote it and Frank Quitely does the art. Really great Superman stories, and because they are separate from the main DC continuity, they can mess around, and take the best parts of Superman from history.

i did read the one issue where hercules or some others try competeing for a suped up lois lane. And i def like quietly's art, he's sick, so yeah that series will def work. I have a friend who colors for Marvel and said they were thinking at one point to do a crossover with dc to get capt america back, using the lazarus pits and having cap go nutty for even a few years, where he's just a crazy shit out messin people up. That would be the only time i would want to jump on a dc book coming out.

[JustJon]

I'd buy a collection in tpb from whatever series Gary Frank is working on now, but beyond that I just can't get down with superman as a character it's kind of why i'm hoping this big company crossover kills him off or makes him a god or something different. I feel he's the same f'n character and its just redundancy, never a change to status quo.

According to LitG, they were gonna kill all the majors and make them the 5th World. (4th is Kirby's New Gods) That got scrapped and for a while there was talk of just one of the majors getting elevated, but I don't know if that was scrapped too.

[TheMojoPin]

Try All-Star Superman (http://www.amazon.com/All-Star-Superman-Vol-1/dp/1401209149/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200344744&sr=8-1). Grant Morrison wrote it and Frank Quitely does the art. Really great Superman stories, and because they are separate from the main DC continuity, they can mess around, and take the best parts of Superman from history.

I'd also reccomend Secret Idenity by Kurt Busiek, Red Son by Mark Millar and the couple of Superman stories that Alan Moore did back in the day, collected in his DC Universe trade. And any of Grant Morrison's JLA books. He even made the short lived, blue "electric Superman" awesome.

Supes is tops on my list of comic characters that work far better as concepts or in limited doses than in regular series. He's very effective as part of an ensemble or in limited series, but following him month after after month is pretty tedious a good 95% of the time.

[EliSnow]

I'd also reccomend Secret Idenity by Kurt Busiek, Red Son by Mark Millar and the couple of Superman stories that Alan Moore did back in the day, collected in his DC Universe trade.



The best Superman stories are the Alan Moore stories "Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow" and "For The Man Who Has Everything."

[TheMojoPin]

The best Superman stories are the Alan Moore stories "Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow" and "For The Man Who Has Everything."

I think those are the only two he ever wrote. They're both in that collection. I especially love the latter story. Great art by Dave Gibbons and the single most badass Superman moment ever:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/tbondurant/smanv1ann10_p29_burn.jpg

[EliSnow]

I think those are the only two he ever wrote. They're both in that collection. I especially love the latter story. Great art by Dave Gibbons and the single most badass Superman moment ever:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/tbondurant/smanv1ann10_p29_burn.jpg

Agreed. The "burn" comment is just incredible.

[Gvac]

Did they unveil the 'new' Captain America yet?

Bastards.

Steve Rogers forever!!!

[PhishHead]

Did they unveil the 'new' Captain America yet?

Bastards.

Steve Rogers forever!!!

i second that...Rogers will always be Captain America!

[EliSnow]

Did they unveil the 'new' Captain America yet?

Bastards.

Steve Rogers forever!!!

Somewhat of a spoiler, but since the issue has been out for three weeks, not really:


In the most recent issue, Bucky agreed to become the new Captain America. Steve Rogers himself picked Bucky to do so, in part to save his soul (he had been a brainwashed assassin for the Soviets when every thought he was dead).

He suits up for the first time next issue.

[Thebazile78]

Red Son by Mark Millar

This is quite possibly one of THE best Superman stories I have ever read.

INCLUDING the "imaginary stories" from the 1960's that my dad allowed me to read.

[TheMojoPin]

Alan More's take on Rob Liefeld's Supreme is one of the better Superman runs out there.

Supreme was originally a hacky Superman knockoff created by the hack of all hacks, Liefeld. Supreme was basically just a more violent, dick-y, "X-TREME" version of ol' Supes. Alan Moore relaunched the whole thing (he only agreed to write the character if he could do that, since everything Liefeld did was a mess and, in Moore's own words to Rob, "not very good") so it basically functioned as an homage to the classic decades of Superman stories up until Superman was relaunched in the 1980's ad his previous comic history was scrapped. If you love the old stories about Superboy and wacky robot duplicates and crazy other dimensions and hiding his identity from the girl he loves and all that good stuff, read Moore's Supreme books.

[djjd]

good post mojo pin, those are great tales

[Thebazile78]

Alan More's take on Rob Liefeld's Supreme is one of the better Superman runs out there.

Supreme was originally a hacky Superman knockoff created by the hack of all hacks, Liefeld. Supreme was basically just a more violent, dick-y, "X-TREME" version of ol' Supes. Alan Moore relaunched the whole thing (he only agreed to write the character if he could do that, since everything Liefeld did was a mess and, in Moore's own words to Rob, "not very good") so it basically functioned as an homage to the classic decades of Superman stories up until Superman was relaunched in the 1980's ad his previous comic history was scrapped. If you love the old stories about Superboy and wacky robot duplicates and crazy other dimensions and hiding his identity from the girl he loves and all that good stuff, read Moore's Supreme books.

My dad read those when they first came out.

I think he was pretty happy to have found an outlet for the rage he felt about the divorce...the books were out at about the same time as the nastiest parts of that ordeal, so it makes sense.
For the life of me, I can't remember why he stopped reading them, but if it's the hackiness it's probably for the best, considering the fact that his Hero growing up was Superman.

[One Dead Fred]

Where do you pick these comics up? My girl is doing a web comic with Act-i-vate (http://community.livejournal.com/act_i_vate/)on Live Journal. I haven't seen an on-line one that I have the patience to read though.

[djjd]

anyone looking for more alan moore goodness should check out Top Ten

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/TopTencover1.jpg/387px-TopTencover1.jpg
TBP Volume One

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/TopTencover2.jpg/390px-TopTencover2.jpg
TBP Volume Two

[Gritty]

I'd also recommend the Tom Strong books. Pretty much everything done in the ABC line was excellent.


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8085/tstt12om6.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3131/tomstrongla4.jpg

Has a great retro-feel, deeply textured stories and fantastic art from Chris Sprouse, Jerry Ordway, Art Adams and others.

[TheMojoPin]

Top 10 was so great...I'm still sad Moore isn't going to do any more series with that world.

Yeah, I really enjoyed the ABC stuff, and it wasn't all just fun and games. Promthea is seriously mind-blowing.

[chubbyknuckles]

anyone looking for more alan moore goodness should check out Top Ten

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/TopTencover1.jpg/387px-TopTencover1.jpg
TBP Volume One

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/TopTencover2.jpg/390px-TopTencover2.jpg
TBP Volume Two

now since you recomended this, what did you think of gene Ha's art style? I've heard some people hated it, i'm curious to hear what all you guys think.

[Gritty]

Top 10 was so great...I'm still sad Moore isn't going to do any more series with that world.

Yeah, I really enjoyed the ABC stuff, and it wasn't all just fun and games. Promthea is seriously mind-blowing.

Promethea is one of the few books that just went over my head. Loved the art but I just couldn't keep up with the symbolism and metaphysical theory. A true mind-blower indeed!

[Gritty]

now since you recomended this, what did you think of gene Ha's art style? I've heard some people hated it, i'm curious to hear what all you guys think.


Gene Ha is a genius! If you thought George Perez drew detailed characters and backgrounds, you will be amazed by what Ha accomplishes.

[TheMojoPin]

Gene Ha is a genius! If you thought George Perez drew detailed characters and backgrounds, you will be amazed by what Ha accomplishes.

Yeah, gorgeous art, especially on the Top 10: Forty Niners series.

[BalloonKnotB]

Speaking of Alan Moore, I heard about this series he wrote in the 80's called "The Watchmen". :smile:

The did an animated version of "The Man Who Has Everything" that was pretty damn good too. Also really dug the animated "Superman: Doomsday".

[ToLEEdo]

Supes is tops on my list of comic characters that work far better as concepts or in limited doses than in regular series. He's very effective as part of an ensemble or in limited series, but following him month after after month is pretty tedious a good 95% of the time.

I know could you imagine if Marvel had a Sentry series out????

[TheMojoPin]

I know could you imagine if Marvel had a Sentry series out????

It would be coma-inducing in its dullness.

But it doesn't have to be the all-powerful guys. I think characters like the Punisher and Ghost Rider really only work in small doses. They're better as tattoo designs than as regular characters.

[djjd]

now since you recomended this, what did you think of gene Ha's art style? I've heard some people hated it, i'm curious to hear what all you guys think.

i loved the art, and most panels were stuffed with crazy little homages to comic books past and present

[EliSnow]

In my mission to review the entire CD-Rom of Uncanny X-Men comics, I came across the story arc introducing Havok and resurrecting the Sentinels.

I have to say it's a great storyline, but Neal Adams' art is unbelievable. Incredible stuff.

[PhishHead]

In my mission to review the entire CD-Rom of Uncanny X-Men comics, I came across the story arc introducing Havok and resurrecting the Sentinels.

I have to say it's a great storyline, but Neal Adams' art is unbelievable. Incredible stuff.

this is one of the storylines I remember reading back in the day and I loved Havok and his introduction.

[Knowledged_one]

Havok has been and always will be my favorite mutant

He was great in Xtinction agenda

He is the inspiration for my XBox gamertag

[Knowledged_one]

does anyone read thunderbolts or Exiles

I have missed like the last 3 months and am wondering what has happened as wikipedia hasnt really updated them

[EliSnow]

Just discussing some comics with Phish, and I realized that I never told him about a great comics website. Which means that I've never told anyone else here about it (although they may know of it already).

It's called the Grand Comicbook Database (http://www.comics.org/index.lasso), sort of an IMDB for comics. The database has information on many, many, many comics, including the cover for most issues, dates of release for issues, authors, artists, and even character appearance. It also often discusses TPBs, and reprints.

So if you want to see every Planetary issue, you put that in the search engine and get this (http://www.comics.org/search.lasso?query=Planetary&type=title&sort=alpha).

I've used this database to find source material for most of my comic book sigs.

[JustJon]

does anyone read thunderbolts or Exiles

I have missed like the last 3 months and am wondering what has happened as wikipedia hasnt really updated them

Never read Thunderbolts, but Exiles ended a few weeks ago. I read it in trades, so I can't tell you how it ends.

[Knowledged_one]

Wow didnt know they ended exiles i really enjoyed it, it was an easy title that you could pick up on in the middle without knowing the backstory

[Gritty]

Wow didnt know they ended exiles i really enjoyed it, it was an easy title that you could pick up on in the middle without knowing the backstory

Until Claremont took over the writing and ruined a fun book.

[EliSnow]

Never read Thunderbolts, but Exiles ended a few weeks ago. I read it in trades, so I can't tell you how it ends.

Wow didnt know they ended exiles i really enjoyed it, it was an easy title that you could pick up on in the middle without knowing the backstory

New Exiles started this week. It took some castmembers for New Excalibur (Dazzler and Sage I believe), and lost others (Warpath and Nightcrawler's kid).

Thunderbolts. Team is getting messed with by someone unknown. Penance is getting Hulk-level damage capabilities, and Osborne found a certain mask hidden in one of his drawers.

[JustJon]

Wow didnt know they ended exiles i really enjoyed it, it was an easy title that you could pick up on in the middle without knowing the backstory

I liked it when they were willing to just kill characters regularly when Bedard was writing it. When Winnick took over, it was a bit too team oriented but still decent. Claremont kinda sucked out alot of the fun, but it was still readable.

[Knowledged_one]

you guys are awesome

such founts of knowledge

its great to have buddys that know Comics


PS - Does anyone know the value of the X-Men: Hero's for Hope issue is worth

It was written by a lot of authors back in like 86 for the starving people in ethiopia

[TheMojoPin]

Thunderbolts. Team is getting messed with by someone unknown. Penance is getting Hulk-level damage capabilities, and Osborne found a certain mask hidden in one of his drawers.

Is Warren Ellis still writing it? I really enjoyed that first trade by him.

[TheMojoPin]

PS - Does anyone know the value of the X-Men: Hero's for Hope issue is worth

It was written by a lot of authors back in like 86 for the starving people in ethiopia

Realistically? Not much at all.

If it's in really good condition and you got it slabbed ad rated above 9.0, Lord only knows what people would pay for it. I hate that system so goddamn much.

[EliSnow]

Is Warren Ellis still writing it? I really enjoyed that first trade by him.

Yes, he's still writing it.

[Gritty]

Realistically? Not much at all.

If it's in really good condition and you got it slabbed ad rated above 9.0, Lord only knows what people would pay for it. I hate that system so goddamn much.


Second that! The whole point (at least for me, anyway) of collecting comics was always to be able to READ what I bought. Nothing better than going up to the attic to put away X-mas decorations or some clothes, digging out the long box and rediscovering some old book that I haven't thought of in years.

Not a slabbing fan.

[Knowledged_one]

oh im not looking to sell it or anything just curious

I have a decent collection from like 83-87 then again from 90-94

Had an awesome way of stealing comics, me and my brother would go to the local convenience store to get the sunday paper for my folks, we would then insert all of the comics into the sunday paper awesome scam

[TheMojoPin]

oh im not looking to sell it or anything just curious

I have a decent collection from like 83-87 then again from 90-94

Had an awesome way of stealing comics, me and my brother would go to the local convenience store to get the sunday paper for my folks, we would then insert all of the comics into the sunday paper awesome scam

Unless you've got things like the Transformers, Star Wars or GI Joe titles from that time, most of it is pretty worthless with very few exceptions.

[Knowledged_one]

I actually have the Transformers limited series

I also have the 3 issue A-Team limited series

[ToLEEdo]

Thought Sheepy might enjoy this:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p65/illnoise618/n10007992_38272719_6123-1.jpg

[chubbyknuckles]

so this new x-men storyline is worth picking up in tpb?And waaaay to sell spider-man books marvel. Have top line artists working on them so you have to look at them for the art alone. I'm starting to think mephisto made a deal with spider-man AND marvel.

[EliSnow]

so this new x-men storyline is worth picking up in tpb?

I'm a couple issues behind right now, because I get my comics shipped from my old comics store. However, I think it's a really good crossover/event. Definitely better then stuff like Inferno, X-cutioner's Saga, and X-tinction Agenda.

[TheMojoPin]

Definitely better then stuff like Inferno, X-cutioner's Saga, and X-tinction Agenda.

Damn. I thought everything ever was better than those.

[Knowledged_one]

why didnt you all like X-tinction agenda? I really liked it, it regrouped the teams put people back together and such

However the Cameron Hodge robot thing was a bit much to swallow


Also on a side note did anyone see the article about the Spiderman One More day thing on CNN.com?

[EliSnow]

why didnt you all like X-tinction agenda? I really liked it, it regrouped the teams put people back together and such

However the Cameron Hodge robot thing was a bit much to swallow



I've tried to shut out the details. But I think it was all about Cameron Hodge and how awful everything was about his character.

How he looked hurt my eyes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/UncannyX-Men271.jpg

That just looks ridiculous.

Plus, I hated how the character, and how he was winning over the X-Men (until the end), was written.