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EliSnow

11-10-2008, 05:19 AM

Bucky always wins, gets all the chicks, strikes fear in the hearts of men, and effortlessly fills the role of the world's greatest soldier/fighter/tactician just because. .

He doesn't get all the chicks, strike fear in the hearts of men or effortlessly fill the role.

It's been quite clear that he doesn't feel he lives up to Steve's standard or is able to do the same things that Steve did. Nor has he struck any fear in his enemies, because they know he's not Steve.

To the extent that Bucky has been able to do any of the above, it's because of his military training, including his training to be the Winter Soldier. And this includes his "ability" to land the Black Widow, because they met and fell in love when he was being controlled by the KGB.

I disagree that there was "laziness" etc. with how Bucky became Cap. If anything, this story is a clear lesson on 1) how to bring a "dead" character back to life, and 2) have him take over a role filled by another character.

TheMojoPin

11-10-2008, 05:41 AM

And this includes his "ability" to land the Black Widow, because they met and fell in love when he was being controlled by the KGB.

That, and comic writers are a bunch of nerds and have made her into the go-to Marvel hoooooooooooo-aaaaaah.

JustJon

11-10-2008, 09:02 AM

He doesn't get all the chicks, strike fear in the hearts of men or effortlessly fill the role.

It's been quite clear that he doesn't feel he lives up to Steve's standard or is able to do the same things that Steve did. Nor has he struck any fear in his enemies, because they know he's not Steve.

To the extent that Bucky has been able to do any of the above, it's because of his military training, including his training to be the Winter Soldier. And this includes his "ability" to land the Black Widow, because they met and fell in love when he was being controlled by the KGB.

I disagree that there was "laziness" etc. with how Bucky became Cap. If anything, this story is a clear lesson on 1) how to bring a "dead" character back to life, and 2) have him take over a role filled by another character.

I absolutely love the whole Cap/Winter Soldier story except for the one point of bringing Bucky back. OOOOooo.. we grabbed him from the point of death, threw him in a tank and brought him back to life.

TheMojoPin

11-10-2008, 09:11 AM

I absolutely love the whole Cap/Winter Soldier story except for the one point of bringing Bucky back. OOOOooo.. we grabbed him from the point of death, threw him in a tank and brought him back to life.

As opposed to the guy who turned into an ice cube and bobbed around in the Atlantic for a few decades?

JustJon

11-10-2008, 09:14 AM

As opposed to the guy who turned into an ice cube and bobbed around in the Atlantic for a few decades?

Did I say that was good? It was cheesy, but it was what it was. Then again, most comics back then reveled in their cheese factor.

The Ogre

11-10-2008, 09:42 AM

He doesn't get all the chicks, strike fear in the hearts of men or effortlessly fill the role.

While he was being held at SHIELD command one of the female agents was swooning over him. Plus he is banging the Black Widow. He has a history as the most dangerous enemy agent of all time, according to Nick Fury and SHIELD, who only spoke of him in reverent whispers. He's effortlessly filling the role by somehow engaging in Cap level acrobatics and fighting as a normal human without the benefit of the Super Soldier Serum. He has also somehow mastered the art of using Steve's shield. Somehow this is chalked up to his bionic arm even though it took Steve years to master. His one time replacement John Walker never truly figured out the shield throwing bit and he had the Taskmaster training him which is basically as good as being trained by Steve Rogers.

The fact that Brubaker writes an internal monlogue for Bucky which states thing s like " I can't do this as good as Steve." or "This might not work out like if Steve was here." means nothing if the character is then SHOWN doing the exact feats that the chemically enhanced Steve Rogers would have done. The words and the actions aren't matching up.

What bugs me most of all about this is what I stated before. That it seems like the whole natural story progression of the Winter Soldier was shitcanned due to editorial mandate at the end of Civil War. Buck as Cap feels incredibly forced and the book hasn't been as good as it was during the first two or three arcs under Brubaker.

TheMojoPin

11-10-2008, 10:18 AM

While he was being held at SHIELD command one of the female agents was swooning over him. Plus he is banging the Black Widow. He has a history as the most dangerous enemy agent of all time, according to Nick Fury and SHIELD, who only spoke of him in reverent whispers. He's effortlessly filling the role by somehow engaging in Cap level acrobatics and fighting as a normal human without the benefit of the Super Soldier Serum. He has also somehow mastered the art of using Steve's shield. Somehow this is chalked up to his bionic arm even though it took Steve years to master. His one time replacement John Walker never truly figured out the shield throwing bit and he had the Taskmaster training him which is basically as good as being trained by Steve Rogers.

The fact that Brubaker writes an internal monlogue for Bucky which states thing s like " I can't do this as good as Steve." or "This might not work out like if Steve was here." means nothing if the character is then SHOWN doing the exact feats that the chemically enhanced Steve Rogers would have done. The words and the actions aren't matching up.

We see non-"powered" or chemically enhanced people doing Cap's stuff all the time...Daredevil, Batman, etc.. It's comic logic.

cougarjake13

11-10-2008, 03:42 PM

so bucky is still wannabe cap or is cap back ??

AnnoyedGrunt

11-10-2008, 05:10 PM

He has also somehow mastered the art of using Steve's shield. Somehow this is chalked up to his bionic arm even though it took Steve years to master.

Granted, I've never read the original issues of Cap from the golden age but in every flashback scene I've read he's more the capable with his shield. If it took him years to master then the war would have practically been over by the time he was a pro.

TheMojoPin

11-10-2008, 05:29 PM

Granted, I've never read the original issues of Cap from the golden age but in every flashback scene I've read he's more the capable with his shield. If it took him years to master then the war would have practically been over by the time he was a pro.

Yeah, no kidding. Nevermind that he started off with the non-circular shield at first and didn't get the one we all know until America was in the war in Europe.

weekapaugjz

11-10-2008, 06:23 PM

TheMojoPin

11-10-2008, 06:31 PM

I'm gonna start reading ruckas queen and country tonight. I picked up vol 1 earlier.

Great series. If you like it, be sure to check out Rucka's two Whiteout miniseries.

weekapaugjz

11-10-2008, 06:41 PM

Great series. If you like it, be sure to check out Rucka's two Whiteout miniseries.

I read vol 1 of whiteout and really liked it. I have no idea why I still haven't picked up vol 2

EliSnow

11-11-2008, 06:28 AM

so bucky is still wannabe cap or is cap back ??

Bucky is Cap. Steve Rogers is still dead.

Aqualad

11-11-2008, 02:14 PM

Bucky is Cap. Steve Rogers is still dead.

I'm glad they're not rushing into bringing Rogers back. This way the Bucky Cap era is a real part of the Captain America saga, and not just a temporary gimmick like Cap-Wolf or something.

TheMojoPin

11-11-2008, 05:17 PM

Miss Cap-Wolf.

weekapaugjz

11-12-2008, 11:42 AM

Just got back from the shop. Big week for me.

Detective 850, action 871, nightwing 150, green lantern corps 30, magneto testament 3, wolverine 69, and trinity 24

donnie_darko

11-12-2008, 11:54 AM

too bad they can't reconstitute the paper they used to print trinity back into trees.

winter soldier made captain america enjoyable for me, just like extremis and iron man.

JustJon

11-13-2008, 11:21 AM

This week:
Justice League International vol 3
JLA/Avengers TPB (sorry, didn't want to pay $75 for the hc)

Aqualad

11-13-2008, 12:02 PM

Went to the shop for the first time in a month yesterday. I bought: Detective 850; Batman: Cacophony (by 202's own Kevin Smith!); Teen Titans 64; Captain America: Theater of War; Wolverine: Old Man Logan; and the last month's worth of Amazing Spider-Man. A good haul.

MisterSmith

11-13-2008, 12:02 PM

I dozed off a few hours ago and ended up dreaming about booster gold and I had to ask him where skeets was. I think I may be reading too many comic books.

I'm gonna start reading ruckas queen and country tonight. I picked up vol 1 earlier.

I have recently become a huge Booster Gold fan; the new series is excellent. They are finally doing something with that character and it makes me happy - I don't know why, but it does. Very well done book.

I hope the new team does it justice.

EliSnow

11-13-2008, 12:05 PM

This week's stuff was okay. I really wasn't overjoyed with any of it, although I enjoyed the Stephen King/Marvel stuff.

Wolverine's heating up, but the next issue is going to be the payoff.

Westley

11-13-2008, 01:31 PM

today ron said people who read comicbooks r gay!

Aqualad

11-13-2008, 02:43 PM

This week's stuff was okay. I really wasn't overjoyed with any of it, although I enjoyed the Stephen King/Marvel stuff.

Wolverine's heating up, but the next issue is going to be the payoff.

Wolverine is good as hell. And I generally hate Wolverine as a solo character.

The Ogre

11-14-2008, 01:41 PM

This week's stuff was okay. I really wasn't overjoyed with any of it, although I enjoyed the Stephen King/Marvel stuff.

Wolverine's heating up, but the next issue is going to be the payoff.

Your sif pic reminded me of when I used to read Planetary. Anyone know if they ever ended up finishing that series off or are there still a few issues left?

TheMojoPin

11-14-2008, 01:43 PM

Your sif pic reminded me of when I used to read Planetary. Anyone know if they ever ended up finishing that series off or are there still a few issues left?

Still one issue left to go. Warren Ellis has finished the script, and they're just waiting on Cassady to finish the art.

EliSnow

11-14-2008, 02:45 PM

Still one issue left to go. Warren Ellis has finished the script, and they're just waiting on Cassady to finish the art.

What Mojo said. And my sig pics aren't the only thing taken from Planetary. My name also comes from the series.

The Ogre

11-15-2008, 03:23 AM

And my sig pics aren't the only thing taken from Planetary. My name also comes from the series.

Well I knew that. I just didn't want to be too on the nose. So what was your favorite issue of the series? Mine had to be the discovery of the Galactus analogue corpse and the civlization that sprung up around it. Then again the history of the William Leather family was another choice issue.

EliSnow

11-15-2008, 03:41 AM

Well I knew that. I just didn't want to be too on the nose. So what was your favorite issue of the series? Mine had to be the discovery of the Galactus analogue corpse and the civlization that sprung up around it. Then again the history of the William Leather family was another choice issue.

I don't know if I have a favorite. Maybe the one with the escapee from the fictional world.

TheMojoPin

11-15-2008, 06:09 AM

I just hope DC puts out a 2nd Absolute edition for the series when it all wraps up.

Aqualad

11-15-2008, 07:48 AM

donnie_darko

11-28-2008, 07:11 PM

anyone else reading crossed?
city of embers?
black terror?
four eyes?

all new series i'm kinda enjoying.

KingGeno

12-03-2008, 11:07 AM

I haven't collected comic books since the X-Men series back in the 90s.....

But this new Rogue Statue is goddamn hot:

http://www.toyark.com/news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=986

cougarjake13

12-03-2008, 11:30 AM

I haven't collected comic books since the X-Men series back in the 90s.....

But this new Rogue Statue is goddamn hot:

http://www.toyark.com/news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=986

ill be back in a few minutes

anyone got a spare towel ??

djjd

12-17-2008, 02:45 PM

not a comic book, but a book about comic books (and other stuff)

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x3/x19346.jpg

good read so far

Tall_James

01-02-2009, 09:54 AM

weekapaugjz

01-02-2009, 11:32 AM

I picked up issue 22 of the Justice Society of America today (new release day due to holidays) and found it to be one of the best endings I've read in a while. It wraps up the whole Gog storyline and, believe it or not, finally wraps up "Kingdom Come" as well in a great way with original Alex Ross art. I highly recommend it.

i agree 100%. great issue. i just got done reading green lantern 36 (rage of the red lanterns part 2) as well, and it was awesome. my love of geoff johns grows with every issue i read.

it was a great week for me at the shop. the two mentioned above plus batman 684, robin 181, final crisis: secret files, superman 683, and magneto: testament part 4. the last few times i had been to the shop it had only been two or so books i picked up, so i was giddy when i saw all these in my file. okay, back to the pile...

Don Stugots

01-02-2009, 11:40 AM

not a comic book, but a book about comic books (and other stuff)

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x3/x19346.jpg

good read so far

read books 1 and 2 of the sandman and i love it. i need to find #3, 4 and 5.

Aqualad

01-03-2009, 06:27 AM

i agree 100%. great issue. i just got done reading green lantern 36 (rage of the red lanterns part 2) as well, and it was awesome. my love of geoff johns grows with every issue i read.

I dropped Justice Society at issue 12 or 13 because NOTHING HAPPENS. it was like the Seinfeld of superteams--- it took an entire year just to assemble the team. I can't believe this Kingdom Come Superman story took another year to wrap up. I usually like Geoff Johns (and really liked the previous JSA series) but I can't stand this comic.

EliSnow

01-03-2009, 06:29 AM

Don Stugots

01-03-2009, 06:35 AM

Over the month of December, I read the entire Civil War, Death Of Captain America, two Sandman Books (which I am hooked on) and Red Hulk vs Green Hulk.

All and all, I was a bit disappointed in he Hulk book since Planet Hulk and WWH were cool to read. It just didn't seem Epic enough. Although, I did like Thor kicking Red Hulk's ass.

I now have to find the 3rd and 4th Sandman books and I will be catching up on Thor since i read issues 9-11 and enjoyed them.

psycho

01-03-2009, 09:30 AM

i agree 100%. great issue. i just got done reading green lantern 36 (rage of the red lanterns part 2) as well, and it was awesome. my love of geoff johns grows with every issue i read.

it was a great week for me at the shop. the two mentioned above plus batman 684, robin 181, final crisis: secret files, superman 683, and magneto: testament part 4. the last few times i had been to the shop it had only been two or so books i picked up, so i was giddy when i saw all these in my file. okay, back to the pile...

I keep forgetting to pick up part 2, i gotta read that!

weekapaugjz

01-03-2009, 12:09 PM

All and all, I was a bit disappointed in he Hulk book since Planet Hulk and WWH were cool to read. It just didn't seem Epic enough. Although, I did like Thor kicking Red Hulk's ass.

i dropped the hulk book after issue 7. just wasn't holding my interest. first few issues were decent but i felt they went downhill fast.

EliSnow

01-03-2009, 12:12 PM

I've given up on Jeph Loeb completely. Everything he writes is crap anymore.

JustJon

01-03-2009, 04:30 PM

I dropped Justice Society at issue 12 or 13 because NOTHING HAPPENS. it was like the Seinfeld of superteams--- it took an entire year just to assemble the team. I can't believe this Kingdom Come Superman story took another year to wrap up. I usually like Geoff Johns (and really liked the previous JSA series) but I can't stand this comic.

Still more happening in JSA than a Bendis book.

I've given up on Jeph Loeb completely. Everything he writes is crap anymore.

anymore? I was just talking to my comic shop owner the other day and the topic of good Jeph Loeb stories came up. No one could name any good, solid ones that weren't one-shots or using someone else's framework (original X-Man AoA miniseries).

cougarjake13

01-03-2009, 04:34 PM

i dropped the hulk book after issue 7. just wasn't holding my interest. first few issues were decent but i felt they went downhill fast.

who did red hulk turn out to be ??

lleeder

01-03-2009, 04:43 PM

who did red hulk turn out to be ??

Carrot Top.

cougarjake13

01-03-2009, 05:10 PM

Carrot Top.

rumor was it was conan obrien

Don Stugots

01-03-2009, 05:30 PM

who did red hulk turn out to be ??

yo momma.

donnie_darko

01-03-2009, 05:35 PM

the only good part of captain america is what happens after his death...

Batman 682 was kinda weird, all of those books are now as they scramble to do something after the mess that was rip.

And this new squadron supreme stuff is weird, too bad they never finished the fight with that dude in the original one.

Aqualad

01-03-2009, 08:10 PM

anymore? I was just talking to my comic shop owner the other day and the topic of good Jeph Loeb stories came up. No one could name any good, solid ones that weren't one-shots or using someone else's framework (original X-Man AoA miniseries).

Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Superman for All Seasons, Spider-Man: Blue, Hulk: Gray are all good- but they were all done with Tim Sale. I think Sale is the real genius half of that duo.

Aqualad

01-03-2009, 08:12 PM

Still more happening in JSA than a Bendis book.

Even New Avengers managed to assemble the team in less than a year. JSA was literally 12 issues of forming the team, and then another ten fluffing Alex Ross' ego.

JustJon

01-03-2009, 08:14 PM

Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Superman for All Seasons, Spider-Man: Blue, Hulk: Gray are all good- but they were all done with Tim Sale. I think Sale is the real genius half of that duo.

I didn't read the Marvel color ones, but reread those again. Long Halloween runs 13 issues and ultimately sucks at the end, Dark Victory just goes nowhere.

Jeph Loeb's stories are poorly plotted, go nowhere and have no or terrible endings.

Aqualad

01-03-2009, 08:22 PM

I didn't read the Marvel color ones, but reread those again. Long Halloween runs 13 issues and ultimately sucks at the end, Dark Victory just goes nowhere.

Jeph Loeb's stories are poorly plotted, go nowhere and have no or terrible endings.

The endings to his "mystery" stories are terrible. Hush would have been the best Batman story in ten years, had the ending made any damn sense. Ditto Long Halloween- a great mystery story with a nonsensical out-of-nowhere resolution. It cheapens the whole story when the killer is somebody you could never figure out (long halloween) or somebody who is SO obvious that he must be a red herring (Hush).

But the color books are solid, and Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Catwoman: When in Rome are all above-average superhero books. Compared to shit like Superman/Batman and Red Hulk they're goddamn Shakespeare.

TheMojoPin

01-03-2009, 08:43 PM

It's nice to see Loeb getting slammed like he deserves. I've enjoyed his retro stuff like the "colors" books and the titles for DC, especially Superman: For all Seasons, but you're right about the ending to LH sucking. Everytime I pick it up I forget how it ends and then remember why I did whenever I finish it again...such a mess. Such a shame, since the rest of it is so good.

Everything else he does is ass. I remember having the misfotune to read his earlier work with Liefeld. Those two deserve each other.

Maybe Tim Sale is the secret weapon and contributes much more to the scripts and plots of the work they do together.

TheMojoPin

01-03-2009, 08:45 PM

Hush would have been the best Batman story in ten years, had the ending made any damn sense.

Noooooooooooooo. I don't get what people see in that run. Sure, Lee's art is decent, but the story is so hack the whole way. Cramming every villain possible into it, tossing in the obligatory Superman teamup, tricking you into thinking Jason is back, the never before seen old friend who is clearly the fucking villain from the second he shows up.

Blech.

psycho

01-03-2009, 08:45 PM

The endings to his "mystery" stories are terrible. Hush would have been the best Batman story in ten years, had the ending made any damn sense. Ditto Long Halloween- a great mystery story with a nonsensical out-of-nowhere resolution. It cheapens the whole story when the killer is somebody you could never figure out (long halloween) or somebody who is SO obvious that he must be a red herring (Hush).

But the color books are solid, and Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Catwoman: When in Rome are all above-average superhero books. Compared to shit like Superman/Batman and Red Hulk they're goddamn Shakespeare.

What didn't make sense about Hush? It seemed pretty straight forward to me.

TheMojoPin

01-03-2009, 08:48 PM

What didn't make sense about Hush? It seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Agreed. It was really simplistic and easy to figure out from the beginning.

donnie_darko

01-03-2009, 08:55 PM

Yeah, i like hush as well, you seem to be on your own.

I read a ton of books, and make a point to look at most everything, and in comparison its great.

Now some of the more recent appearances of hush are really awful....really..just ugh..wtf.

psycho

01-03-2009, 09:17 PM

TheMojoPin

01-03-2009, 09:34 PM

What makes "Hush" great?

I bet you subtract the Jim Lee art nobody would have paid attention and nobody would be talking about it now.

psycho

01-03-2009, 09:40 PM

What makes "Hush" great?

I bet you subtract the Jim Lee art nobody would have paid attention and nobody would be talking about it now.

Oh dude I definitely agree that Jim Lee is what makes it amazing - i mean the art is half of what makes a comic book.

Overall I think it was a good story, not great, but the art enhances the words so much and makes it so much more effective.

donnie_darko

01-03-2009, 11:13 PM

Hush Returns, Hush also popped up during RIP, and a few more times i think, i'm sure some more hardcore batman fans will chime in....

And i honestly just re-read hush (got nothing to do at 2am anyway) Its a great story, it adds a new character to bruce's early life....which is obviously the entire reason for it.

I do think the twist after the twist after the twist does try your patience, but come on this is a comic book not faulkner. If you want a literary masterpiece go pick up the sound and the fury.

Hush is an excellent addition to the batman cast, and that's why i enjoy the book.

EliSnow

01-04-2009, 04:58 AM

Mojo's not alone. I don't like Hush either. I also don't like Knightfall, No Man's Land or War Games either.

djjd

01-04-2009, 05:14 AM

read books 1 and 2 of the sandman and i love it. i need to find #3, 4 and 5.
back, as they say, in the day, i bought the first 8 comics (which ended up being the 1st TPB), but after moving to the sticks i was never able to read anymore for about 3 years, i eventually bought all 10 trades and have the first two ultimates

it's such a good story, i re-read them on a regular basis

if you're digging the sandman, you'd probably like his novel american gods

Aqualad

01-04-2009, 05:49 AM

Agreed. It was really simplistic and easy to figure out from the beginning.

That's what made it a bad ending. Tommy Eliot was SO obvious a suspect that he had to be a red herring. Nope, the guy you thought did it all along- turns out he did it. Oh, and the Riddler helped, for some reason. And dead Robin is really Clayface--Psyche!

Give the story a better last issue and you'd really have something there. The Jim Lee art is beautiful, and the story was a greatest-hits of everything great about the world of Batman. But that last issue killed it.

DJEvelEd

01-04-2009, 07:23 AM

Robert Crumb's:
http://www.artcomic.com/cat/underground/books/plymell.jpg
http://lib.calpoly.edu/spec_coll/comix/bigcovers/zap0copy.gif
http://www.artcomic.com/cat/ebay/zap0/zap0front.jpg

The dirty Archie comics:
http://flmsdown.net/uploads/posts/2008-01/1199676118_cherry_12.jpg

And of course.. S. Clay Wilson:
http://www.stanisick.com/collectables/paper/clay.jpg

psycho

01-04-2009, 07:43 AM

back, as they say, in the day, i bought the first 8 comics (which ended up being the 1st TPB), but after moving to the sticks i was never able to read anymore for about 3 years, i eventually bought all 10 trades and have the first two ultimates

it's such a good story, i re-read them on a regular basis

if you're digging the sandman, you'd probably like his novel american gods

may have to check that out too then, I just started reading sandman and it's awesome

Sinestro

01-04-2009, 08:06 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Heracles-rapist.jpg

JustJon

01-05-2009, 06:11 AM

back, as they say, in the day, i bought the first 8 comics (which ended up being the 1st TPB), but after moving to the sticks i was never able to read anymore for about 3 years, i eventually bought all 10 trades and have the first two ultimates

it's such a good story, i re-read them on a regular basis

if you're digging the sandman, you'd probably like his novel american gods

I've been reading the Absolute Sandman volume 1 this weekend. So amazing, and I'm just seeing all the series' threads from the beginning again. Plus all the art issues are finally fixed (except there is one new color change that makes no sense to me)

psycho

01-05-2009, 07:13 AM

I've been reading the Absolute Sandman volume 1 this weekend. So amazing, and I'm just seeing all the series' threads from the beginning again. Plus all the art issues are finally fixed (except there is one new color change that makes no sense to me)

I'm going to start reading Sandman tomorrow, can't wait.

MIKEYDAKEN

01-05-2009, 03:59 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Heracles-rapist.jpg

i know this isnt the place but can someone make this into a sig for me?

Don Stugots

01-05-2009, 04:26 PM

i know this isnt the place but can someone make this into a sig for me?

god damn that is a sick looking pic. i love it.

cougarjake13

01-05-2009, 04:41 PM

god damn that is a sick looking pic. i love it.

cant wait to see the finished product

Gritty

01-05-2009, 04:56 PM

Even New Avengers managed to assemble the team in less than a year. JSA was literally 12 issues of forming the team, and then another ten fluffing Alex Ross' ego.

Anyone else had enough Alex Ross yet? I thought the guy was brilliant when he first appeared and a real breath of fresh air but now I'm tired of his still-life covers and his god-awful attempts at telling a story.

TheMojoPin

01-05-2009, 05:00 PM

Gritty

01-05-2009, 05:27 PM

Love him as an artist, hate him as a plotter/writer.

I can admire his technique and talent as an artist and he's definitely unique but the whole portrait thing with everyone standing around in the shadows looking grim has been done to death, IMO. I'd frame any of it but I'd like my covers to have a little more variety.

I think he peaked during Kingdom Come. That was also the last time I remember being able to follow any of his interior work.

JustJon

01-05-2009, 06:21 PM

Anyone else had enough Alex Ross yet? I thought the guy was brilliant when he first appeared and a real breath of fresh air but now I'm tired of his still-life covers and his god-awful attempts at telling a story.

Agree with mojo, his plotting sucks, sucking any Avengers/Invaders interest from me as soon as I saw the sample pages.

He uses alot of the same poses and same models, sucking alot of the dynamicism from his work. I still love Marvels and Kingdom Come, but I have no interest in alot of the stuff he's doing now.

EliSnow

01-07-2009, 12:30 PM

Slow week this week.

I don't like the turn of things in Buffy.

Hellboy is heating up nicely.

Secret Six is still a lot of fun.

But my favorite, was Secret Invasion War of Kings. Marvel's cosmic stories have been really, really good since Annihilation, and this story sets up what looks to be another great cosmis story. And it had a great twist:

Black Bolt is now King of the Kree Empire.

Aqualad

01-07-2009, 12:45 PM

I can admire his technique and talent as an artist and he's definitely unique but the whole portrait thing with everyone standing around in the shadows looking grim has been done to death, IMO. I'd frame any of it but I'd like my covers to have a little more variety.

I think he peaked during Kingdom Come. That was also the last time I remember being able to follow any of his interior work.

I like him best when he's painting over someone else's pencils. Remember that Justice miniseries from a couple years back? That was his best interior work since Kingdom Come, IMO and in some places I thought that book was better at conveying motion and action scenes.

psycho

01-07-2009, 01:55 PM

i know this isnt the place but can someone make this into a sig for me?

hard to work with that pic but here's one.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff234/psychod619/mikey-1.jpg

MIKEYDAKEN

01-14-2009, 09:24 AM

hard to work with that pic but here's one.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff234/psychod619/mikey-1.jpg

holy shit thanks man it rocks

Tall_James

01-14-2009, 12:47 PM

It was bedlam in my shop today with all these middle-aged, suit wearing fucks lining up to buy the Obama/Spidey issue as a collectors item.

Aqualad

01-14-2009, 02:02 PM

It was bedlam in my shop today with all these middle-aged, suit wearing fucks lining up to buy the Obama/Spidey issue as a collectors item.

I saw maybe three extra customers, but the owner would not shut up about what a hassle the whole thing was. PS, they didn't get any Obama variant covers.

Tall_James

01-14-2009, 02:55 PM

PS, they didn't get any Obama variant covers.

Neither did my shop, much to the vocal chagrin of these Prius-driving, save the planet but elect a lecherous drunk Senator, Massachusetts denizens.

Gvac

01-14-2009, 02:58 PM

Neither did my shop, much to the vocal chagrin of these Prius-driving, save the planet but elect a lecherous drunk Senator, Massachusetts denizens.

Do these people realize we're having the coldest winter on record so far?

Bastards.

I have my V-8 Ford Van running 24/7 to try to combat this Arctic blast.

Tall_James

01-14-2009, 03:19 PM

Do these people realize we're having the coldest winter on record so far?

Bastards.

I have my V-8 Ford Van running 24/7 to try to combat this Arctic blast.

I wanted to let them know that it really isn't Obama in the issue, its actually the Red Skull in disguise.

But they'd have no idea who the Red Skull was and I didn't want to talk to them anyway.

JustJon

01-14-2009, 06:21 PM

I stopped by a local shop by my apt and the Spideys were long gone, but they were taking a list for next week. My regular shop has a habit of putting copies of major issues aside for the regular customers, so I may be able to get a copy this weekend.

boobieman

01-15-2009, 01:16 AM

Shop I go to, sold out of the Spidey issue and I could not think why, now after reading this thread I know. Still not going to pick one up.

Had a slow week this week..1 comic. Hate when they reschedule the shipping dates for comics, now like next week i have 3 issues and the week after I have about 9 issues.

Punisher Waz Zone mini series is great.

SEEYAYAYAYAAAAA

instrument

01-15-2009, 08:58 PM

i've never read punisher, can you recommend something recent that might be good?

I tried reading some punisher a while back and there were demons and some weird shit and i just had to give up on it.

TheMojoPin

01-15-2009, 09:21 PM

JustJon

01-16-2009, 10:16 AM

AnnoyedGrunt

01-16-2009, 11:18 AM

i've never read punisher, can you recommend something recent that might be good?

I tried reading some punisher a while back and there were demons and some weird shit and i just had to give up on it.

You did probably read what's considered one of the worst stories of all time. I'd suggest picking up a TPB called 'First to Last'.

Any of the trades written by Garth Ennis.

Any other Punisher story is garbage.

I take it you've never read anything from Chuck Dixon? Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning? Hell, even Mike Baron had quite a few decent issues and he's responsible for at least two of the lowest, most embarrassing moments.

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 11:30 AM

I take it you've never read anything from Chuck Dixon? Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning? Hell, even Mike Baron had quite a few decent issues and he's responsible for at least two of the lowest, most embarrassing moments.

I've read a ton of Punisher over the years, especially in the 80's and early to mid 90's, and ultimately most of it isn't worth the time of anyone except a REALLY dedicated superfan of the character. Any of the other "high points," if you can even call them that, don't even sniff Ennis' worst with the character. If anyone reads any non-Ennis Punisher, they should do it before reading Ennis' stuff or else they're just setting themselves up for HUGE disapointment.

In my opinion.

Of course, a large part of the problem is that the Punisher is a pretty shitty character, even in the world of comics.

AnnoyedGrunt

01-16-2009, 11:37 AM

Then I'm going to have to agree to disagree with everything aside from the fact that Ennis' work is fantastic.

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 11:48 AM

Then I'm going to have to agree to disagree with everything aside from the fact that Ennis' work is fantastic.

Fair enough.

There are certain comic chararacters I think are ultimately too finite in what they are and what can be done with them for them to have ongoing series. On one end of the spectrum, I feel Superman is like that...on the complete opposite end you have the Punisher.

Both can be good characters and used well...but when they're used month to month (and usually more like week to week these days) their limitations really shine through and they become REALLY thin and repetitive characters. There's simply not much to them. There's little to no conflict to guys like the Punisher outside of the superficial stuff that defines who the character is. I think a guy like the Punisher would be best used if he got, say a single 5 or 6 issue mini-series each year and then we got a break for a while. There's only so much you can do with him. I think Ennis' run has worked because he's largely structured the ongoing series like that. There's little connection between the different arcs outside of scattered characters who show up a 2nd time and almost always end up dead afterwards. Before Ennis (and since with the other MU series), there's too much effort to make him part of the Marvel Universe and like the other heroes...recurring villains an supporting characters, "epic" ongoing storylines and the like. For me, that doesn't work with a character like that at all. He's a psychopath. He's a loner and a serial killer. Ennis is the only one to treat him like the sociopathic nutjob he is.

weekapaugjz

01-16-2009, 11:58 AM

So mojo, I take it you haven't been reading Geoff Johns take on Superman in action comics?

boobieman

01-16-2009, 12:00 PM

i've never read punisher, can you recommend something recent that might be good?

I tried reading some punisher a while back and there were demons and some weird shit and i just had to give up on it.

A short time after the original series was canceled they tried to take the character in a different direction. They also tried for a short time to make the Punisher character working with the Mob...:blink:

As to what to read...get the Max TPB, especially the last arc, Valley Forge, when Ennis finished his run, one of the best stories ever. The issues sort of tie up Ennis's entire run. But to really enjoy it go for the Max titles.

Also early original series(Mike Baron wrote a lot and some good comic stories) and early War Zone. Also pick up year one 4 issue series.

Most of these can be found at your local shop or they might even have some TPB.

SEEEEYAYAYYAYAA

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 12:01 PM

So mojo, I take it you haven't been reading Geoff Johns take on Superman in action comics?

It's alright.

When I think about it, almost all of the Superman stories that have really impressed me have been Elseworlds or Elseworlds-esque limited series or when he's shown up as a supporting character and not the focus (like Morrison's JLA run). The ongoing stuff is just too boring and there's too much constraint in him having to be this godlike flagship character.

boobieman

01-16-2009, 12:10 PM

Of course, a large part of the problem is that the Punisher is a pretty shitty character, even in the world of comics.

Sorry but you are wrong. Punisher is one of the better characters in comics. No The BEST.

SEEYAYYAYAYAAAAAA

weekapaugjz

01-16-2009, 12:13 PM

It's alright.

When I think about it, almost all of the Superman stories that have really impressed me have been Elseworlds or Elseworlds-esque limited series or when he's shown up as a supporting character and not the focus (like Morrison's JLA run). The ongoing stuff is just too boring and there's too much constraint in him having to be this godlike flagship character.

Fair enough. I haven't read a ton of Superman but in some of the stuff I have read I can see your point.

From some of your other posts I take it you haven't been reading final crisis yet? Superman has played a very small role so far in it only popping up in two issues so far save for his two issue mini. I do believe he will play a large role in the remaining issue though.

boobieman

01-16-2009, 12:16 PM

I take it you've never read anything from Chuck Dixon? Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning? Hell, even Mike Baron had quite a few decent issues and he's responsible for at least two of the lowest, most embarrassing moments.

Dixon was good at first then he just starting writing some nothing stories. Abnett and Lanning was good too. Baron wrote the comic for years. Even wrote the War Journal for a while. He just had a nice long run and then just ran out of good material. But Baron did bring the character to being very popular.

So what are the lowest, most embarrassing moments? To me, biker blood bath, 2 issues, it just sucked. Such a crappy story and a nothing story. I hate it.

SEEYAYAYAYAYYAAA

weekapaugjz

01-16-2009, 12:16 PM

Sorry but you are wrong. Punisher is one of the better characters in comics. No The BEST.

SEEYAYYAYAYAAAAAA

I'm gonna say you are in a very small minority with that statement.

boobieman

01-16-2009, 12:21 PM

I'm gonna say you are in a very small minority with that statement.

I can understand that....hell the comic sales say that. To me I just think the character is great.

SEEYAYYAA

donnie_darko

01-16-2009, 12:31 PM

I love garth ennis, and thats why i wanted to give punisher another try.

Any of you guys reading crossed? i think its on issue 2 now..

allways getting ennis and ellis' comics mixed up.

boobieman

01-16-2009, 12:43 PM

A good comic is Kick-Ass. Only thing that sucks is it is taking forever to put out the next issue. I mean I found out more about the story line reading about the movie they are making of the comic before the comic comes out...ASSES

SEYEYAYAAAAA

AnnoyedGrunt

01-16-2009, 12:43 PM

Dixon was good at first then he just starting writing some nothing stories. Abnett and Lanning was good too. Baron wrote the comic for years. Even wrote the War Journal for a while. He just had a nice long run and then just ran out of good material. But Baron did bring the character to being very popular.

So what are the lowest, most embarrassing moments? To me, biker blood bath, 2 issues, it just sucked. Such a crappy story and a nothing story. I hate it.

SEEYAYAYAYAYYAAA

Mike Baron was okay but the endings to his stories were always kind of flat. And it seemed like the longer the story the worst the ending. His two worst moments were the Jigsaw Puzzle and Final Days storylines. Jigsaw Puzzle was a mess where Jigsaw was working for a Ra's al Ghul knock off. In the final chapter the devil shows up. The Final Days was a pretty good story until the final chapter where a plastic surgeon turns Frank black so he can go undercover.

I vaguely remember the biker story. I don't remember it being that bad but at the same time I can't remember anything good about it.

boobieman

01-16-2009, 12:52 PM

Mike Baron was okay but the endings to his stories were always king of flat. And it seemed like the longer the story the worst the ending. His two worst moments were the Jigsaw Puzzle and Final Days storylines. Jigsaw Puzzle was a mess where Jigsaw was working for a Ra's al Ghul knock off. In the final chapter the devil shows up. The Final Days was a pretty good story until the final chapter where a plastic surgeon turns Frank black so he can go undercover.

I vaguely remember the biker story. I don't remember it being that bad but at the same time I can't remember anything good about it.

Totally agree with you. They have these long title crossing stories, running all summer and then the ending pay off sucks. Totally agree with you with Jigsaw puzzle and Final Days. At the time of final days Marvel wanted to have more black heroes. So they tried it and after 2 issues, and people complained they said we screwed up and then changed him back. But very bad and stupid.

Suicide run, another long crossover and was a pretty good story. Love the beginning. They make him more of a outlaw. Then the ending of the story line and..what..it is nothing really new and no major payoff.

That is what worries me about Captain America now. They have this good story line going and such a build up with Steve Rogers dieing. I know they said they will not be bring Rogers back, but no one stays dead in comics, so they will bring Rogers back, just how? The way they are running the story it has to be one great ending or it will blow.

As for the Punisher Biker story, I don't remember much either, just know I read the issues once and never again. Most of the issues I do re-read. I guess I should go back and take another read.

SEEYYAYAYAAA

AnnoyedGrunt

01-16-2009, 01:07 PM

I liked what I read of Suicide Run, though I don't think I read all of it. However, I thought the part in the final chapter where he crossed a personal line and killed a (crooked) cop in front of news cameras was strong. They just didn't really follow up on that.

boobieman

01-16-2009, 01:27 PM

Well it lead into the next story line Piranha. Made him more of a outlaw and made the other heroes sort of gunning for him.

SEEYYAAA

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 01:39 PM

Sorry but you are wrong. Punisher is one of the better characters in comics. No The BEST.

SEEYAYYAYAYAAAAAA

I see the appeal, but he's so incredibly limited. There's only so many different was you can take a guy who is ultimately just a serial killer. The best thing I think Ennis did is basically removing him from the Marvel Universe and putting him in a "real" universe. Ridiculous shit still happens, but it makes much more sense in a world of fucked up "normal" people as opposed to a world filled with superheroes.

Not to take anything away from what you guys like, but man, the descriptions of those old Punisher storylines are giving me douchechill-like flashbacks to the dark days of 80's and 90's comics.

ChrisBrown

01-16-2009, 01:40 PM

I like Grant Morrison because of what he has written about chaos magic but I have never read his comics, or 'graphic novels' if that is the preferred nomenclature. Any recommendations?

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 01:40 PM

Fair enough. I haven't read a ton of Superman but in some of the stuff I have read I can see your point.

From some of your other posts I take it you haven't been reading final crisis yet? Superman has played a very small role so far in it only popping up in two issues so far save for his two issue mini. I do believe he will play a large role in the remaining issue though.

I'm holding off on reading FC until it's all done so I can take it all in at once. As much as I love Morrison as writer, most of his runs don't "work" until you can read the whole thing.

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 01:43 PM

I like Grant Morrison because of what he has written about chaos magic but I have never read his comics, or 'graphic novels' if that is the preferred nomenclature. Any recommendations?

Above all else, read The Invisibles. Based on what you just described as interesting you about him, that series will have you wrapped up in it for at least a few weeks, and the whole thing has been collected in trades.

After that I'd actually reccomend all of his one-shot graphic novels for Vertigo (they're all very cheap slim volumes, easy to spot) and his limited series The Filth before going back and reading his run on Doom Patrol.

EliSnow

01-16-2009, 01:45 PM

Morrison's run on Animal Man was great.

weekapaugjz

01-16-2009, 01:46 PM

I've had the filth in m hand several times but never went with it. I might have to pick it up next time I see it.

ChrisBrown

01-16-2009, 01:47 PM

Above all else, read The Invisibles. Based on what you just described as interesting you about him, that series will have you wrapped up in it for at least a few weeks, and the whole thing has been collected in trades.

After that I'd actually reccomend all of his one-shot graphic novels for Vertigo (they're all very cheap slim volumes, easy to spot) and his limited series The Filth before going back and reading his run on Doom Patrol.

Thanks, Mojo

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 01:52 PM

Morrison's run on Animal Man was great.

It is, but I figured since he's interested in the "chaos majik" side of Morrison, those other titles would be more up his alley to start with. AM is more of a philisophical jaunt than the headfucks.

Gvac

01-16-2009, 04:05 PM

Is Steve Rogers still dead?

CHUCKWAGONCOOK

01-16-2009, 04:24 PM

Is Steve Rogers still dead?
I believe the Us Army is working with his corpse, injecting rejuvenation serums into it and stuff like that.

TheMojoPin

01-16-2009, 04:26 PM

Is Steve Rogers still dead?

Thankfully, yes.

Brubaker's run has been amazing.

JustJon

01-16-2009, 05:54 PM

Thankfully, yes.

Brubaker's run has been amazing.

He has made Cap actually readable.

cougarjake13

01-17-2009, 03:52 PM

next week debuts the dark avengers

looks interesting

from this photo it looks like an

iron man with capt america theme
a venom lookalike
wolverine lookalike
hawkeye lookalike
and some chick

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0109/DARKAVNG001_COV_sm.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/comics/onsale/covers/0109/DARKAVNG001_COV.jpg

mdr55

01-17-2009, 03:55 PM

Isn't that a Capt. marvel symbol on the female.

instrument

01-17-2009, 08:05 PM

war machine did return in invasion, maybe thats him in some new armor.

EliSnow

01-18-2009, 02:50 AM

I think with Dark Avengers we'll see that the Venom lookalike is actually Venom trying to look like Spidey. "Wolvie" is his son Daken. "Hawkeye" is actually Bullseye. "Ms Marvel" is actually Moonstone. The Iron Patriot may be the Fixer. Marvel Boy is the marvel boy Millar created. The rest may be the genuine articles.

EDIT: To put the above in context, here are the Dark Avengers.

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/943/943754/dark-avengers-20090109035926353_640w.jpg

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 07:24 AM

Marvel Boy is the marvel boy Millar created.

*Ahem*

Marvel Boy is Morrison's.

I don't see how this Dark Avengers gimmick is any different than what the Thunderbolts started out as if it's just villains in disguise.

Who is writing this?

EliSnow

01-18-2009, 08:43 AM

*Ahem*

Marvel Boy is Morrison's.

I don't see how this Dark Avengers gimmick is any different than what the Thunderbolts started out as if it's just villains in disguise.

Who is writing this?

Shit. You're right. I think Bendis is writing this one as well.

I guess the difference between this and Thunderbolts is that due to Norman Osborn becoming head of HAMMER (that which replaces SHIELD) is that the villains are now running the offiical hero group of the US. And unlike the Thunderbolts, I don't see this team becoming heroes.

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 09:31 AM

Shit. You're right. I think Bendis is writing this one as well.

I guess the difference between this and Thunderbolts is that due to Norman Osborn becoming head of HAMMER (that which replaces SHIELD) is that the villains are now running the offiical hero group of the US. And unlike the Thunderbolts, I don't see this team becoming heroes.

Huh.

I like the concept, but I hate when Bendis writes team titles. I like his writing style despite his flaws, but I think he's much better suited to writing a title that focus on a single character. His "voice" doesn't lend itself to teams because he makes everyone sound the same.

So I take it Ellis is no longer writing Thunderbolts? I really like the two trades thus far...too bad they couldn't get him to do this new series.

EliSnow

01-18-2009, 09:39 AM

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 09:42 AM

No, Andy Diggle is. From the desciption I've seen (one one wikipedia) it's got a Suicide Squad aspect to it now. Unlike the previous thunderbolts, these thunderbolts are d-list villains (Black Widow II -- the blonde one is the biggest name on the list).

Hmmmm, then I might have to stick with it. Diggle did really good work with The Losers and Hellblazer...though his Batman and Green Arrow minis where rather underwhelming.

Gvac

01-18-2009, 09:42 AM

So Steve Rogers is still dead, huh?

Did Marvel kill off every one of my childhood favorites?

Deathlok?

Shang-Chi?

Dr. Strange?

Conan?

Bastards.

EliSnow

01-18-2009, 09:46 AM

So Steve Rogers is still dead, huh?

Did Marvel kill off every one of my childhood favorites?

Deathlok?

Shang-Chi?

Dr. Strange?

Conan?

Bastards.

Hasn't Dealthlok always been "dead?"

As for the rest, they are still alive, only Marvel doesn't have Conan's rights anymore. Dark Horse is publishing Conan comics.

Although Dr. Strange will apparently be stripped of being Sorceror Supreme soon.

djjd

01-18-2009, 09:46 AM

reading through some of my collection the last little while, currently reading DC's Millennium series, god there were some horrible story lines in the 80's

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 09:47 AM

Isn't Dealthlok always been "dead?"

As for the rest, they are still alive, only Marvel doesn't have Conan's rights anymore. Dark Horse is publishing Conan comics.

Although Dr. Strange will apparently be stripped of being Sorceror Supreme soon.

Poor Dr. Strange. I just re-read that mini Brian Vaughan wrote and it's so damn good. I like Strange like he is in that or when he showed up in the Dead Girl mini: kind of an arrogant goofy snob who is all powerful and bring down the thunder whenever he needs to.

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 09:50 AM

So Steve Rogers is still dead, huh?

Did Marvel kill off every one of my childhood favorites?

Deathlok?

Shang-Chi?

Dr. Strange?

Conan?

Bastards.

Gvac, you should pick up the Captain America and Iron Fist runs written by Ed Brubaker. I think you'd really dig both of them.

Gvac

01-18-2009, 09:56 AM

Gvac, you should pick up the Captain America and Iron Fist runs written by Ed Brubaker. I think you'd really dig both of them.

I did pick up one of those books with a bunch of Captain America issues in it (trade paperback I think it's called?) about a year ago on everyone's recommendation here and it was really good.

I'd have to dig it out and re-read it because I don't remember where I left off. I believe Red Skull had entered the mind of some Russian prick.

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 09:58 AM

I did pick up one of those books with a bunch of Captain America issues in it (trade paperback I think it's called?) about a year ago on everyone's recommendation here and it was really good.

I'd have to dig it out and re-read it because I don't remember where I left off. I believe Red Skull had entered the mind of some Russian prick.

Yeah, that's part of Brubaker's run. He's still on the title today. It's amazing how he's handled somthing like bringing back Bucky, killing Cap and then having Bucky takeover and made it one of the best things going when such cliche twists are usually disaster.

And his take on Iron Fist rules!

http://www.comiclist.com/media/users/cslepage/IF2Cov.jpg

http://www.bamkapow.com/ul/519-IRONFIST_001.jpg

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan07/covers/IRONFIST003_cvr_col.jpg

http://www.funnybookbabylon.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ironfist.jpg

Gvac

01-18-2009, 10:01 AM

Yeah, that's part of Brubaker's run. He's still on the title today. It's amazing how he's handled somthing like bringing back Bucky, killing Cap and then having Bucky takeover and made it one of the best things going.

Is Danny Rand still Iron Fist at least? Or did he kill him off too?

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 10:03 AM

Is Danny Rand still Iron Fist at least? Or did he kill him off too?

Nah, Danny's still around, but he's really expanded the history of the character and his abilities, namely that there have been various "Iron Fists" throughout history ad they can focus their powers much more than Rand has, like channelling it into things like arrows and bullets.

http://i18.tinypic.com/4qz4p45.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0507/IRONFIST_006.jpg

The killing of Rogers definitely seems like something ordered by Marvel as opposed to Brubaker's own plas for the character, but he's rolled with it beautifully.

disneyspy

01-18-2009, 10:05 AM

remember WARLOCK? that was a comic book way ahead of its time,universal balance,chaos and the myths.i think i quit readin comic books about the time they stopped publishing it,77 or 78?

Gvac

01-18-2009, 10:06 AM

remember WARLOCK? that was a comic book way ahead of its time,universal balance,chaos and the myths.i think i quit readin comic books about the time they stopped publishing it,77 or 78?

Absolutely! Jim Starlin if memory serves correctly. He had a weird little dwarf sidekick also.

I always seemed to really like comics that wound up getting canceled when I was a kid.

I think I stopped collecting around '79 or '80.

disneyspy

01-18-2009, 10:08 AM

Absolutely! Jim Starlin if memory serves correctly. He had a weird little dwarf sidekick also.

I always seemed to really like comics that wound up getting canceled when I was a kid.

I think I stopped collecting around '79 or '80.

me too,A MAN CALLED NOVA

Gvac

01-18-2009, 10:10 AM

me too,A MAN CALLED NOVA

WOW! Holy shit...I forgot about him!

How about Omega the Unknown?

Every time I really started digging a comic...BAM! Canceled.

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 10:11 AM

Adam Warlock is probably my single favorite comic character, mostly due to the almost limitless potential creatively he presents. Starlin's stories with him and Thanos from the 70's and 80's are fucking EPIC and mindblowing. Infinity Gauntlet and the first 12 issues or so of Warlock and the Infinity Watch were another bright point, but it pretty much all devolved into a warmed up leftover version of the 70's stories. I really wish a creative and "big vision" writer like Grant Morrison or Warren Ellis or Alan Moore would tackle Marvel's "cosmic" characters like him and the Silver Surfer and the High Evolutionary and Eternity and such. There's a goldmine there.

EliSnow

01-18-2009, 10:13 AM

Adam Warlock is bow one of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

disneyspy

01-18-2009, 10:19 AM

Gvac

01-18-2009, 10:22 AM

i didnt think i'd ever post in this thread,but i used to look forward to some comic books as a kid and when they'd just end a series i felt cheated.sold my collection for a keg of bud in high school and never looked at the comic stands again

Ha! I sold my copy of The Incredible Hulk which introduced Wolverine (I paid 20 cents for it as a kid) for $250 bucks when I was 18 or 19 so I could go partying.

I don't even wanna know what it's worth now.

lleeder

01-18-2009, 10:26 AM

Ha! I sold my copy of The Incredible Hulk which introduced Wolverine (I paid 20 cents for it as a kid) for $250 bucks when I was 18 or 19 so I could go partying.

I don't even wanna know what it's worth now.

Was it the cameo or was he in the entire issue? #180 the cameo is listed at $150. #181 the entire issue has Wolverine is listed at $2,075.

Gvac

01-18-2009, 10:30 AM

Was it the cameo or was he in the entire issue? #180 the cameo is listed at $150. #181 the entire issue has Wolverine is listed at $2,075.

#181. He looked more like a cat than a wolverine.

My father owned a small liquor store for many years. When he closed the business, a comic store moved in.

That's who I sold it to.

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 10:31 AM

Adam Warlock is bow one of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Yeah, I'm not too impressed with that series. It's not bad, and actually very readable, but there seems to be zero interest by the creative team to explore the "bigger picture" of the cosmic Marvel Universe.

lleeder

01-18-2009, 10:33 AM

#181. He looked more like a cat than a wolverine.

My father owned a small liquor store for many years. When he closed the business, a comic store moved in.

That's who I sold it to.

How was the condition? When I was younger I wanted to save up and get the first issue of X-men. Everyone looks lame as hell in it but its a #1.

Gvac

01-18-2009, 10:35 AM

How was the condition? When I was younger I wanted to save up and get the first issue of X-men. Everyone looks lame as hell in it but its a #1.

It's weird, but even as a young child I insisted on keeping my comic books in perfect condition. I was a neat freak from the time I was an infant, so I guess that's why I never rolled 'em up or bent them. When I started to learn they were worth money to collectors I really took care of them.

My Hulk 181 was in mint condition, as was my Giant Size X-Men #1, and X-Men #94 thru whenever I stopped collecting.

I sold 'em all.

What a shame.

lleeder

01-18-2009, 10:39 AM

It's weird, but even as a young child I insisted on keeping my comic books in perfect condition. I was a neat freak from the time I was an infant, so I guess that's why I never rolled 'em up or bent them. When I started to learn they were worth money to collectors I really took care of them.

My Hulk 181 was in mint condition, as was my Giant Size X-Men #1, and X-Men #94 thru whenever I stopped collecting.

I sold 'em all.

What a shame.

I always thought I'll never be the guy to sell my comics. Now with space and money getting tight I've been thinking it over. I'd still like to have them for my kids to write on and ruin and have me get all pissed at. Like when I would color my dads old 45's with crayons.

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 10:46 AM

I always thought I'll never be the guy to sell my comics.

I definitely want to sell mine. Seems like a pain in the ass...selling 9 longboxes at once doesn't seem realistic. You gotta do everything bit by bit if you want decent value, otherwise you'll probably just get a bulk price that way undervalues everything.

instrument

01-18-2009, 10:51 AM

My buddy just sold a huge chunk of his books, even all his valiant and savage dragon stuff
, he made well over 10grand.

Wouldve made more a few years ago.... I say sell now, unless you have anything that ties in with a movie.

lleeder

01-18-2009, 10:53 AM

I have like every issue of wolverine from 1 to 100 and a big chunk of X-men from like 250-400 I don't think they're worth alot though.

djjd

01-18-2009, 11:24 AM

lleeder

01-18-2009, 11:29 AM

i've always been a reader and not a collector, most of mine are well used, no rips but some creases

i'm going through about 8 good size boxes, keeping some collected stories and annuals and indie titles, then i'm giving the rest to a charity shop

I run a non profit organization called Lleeders Boys. We'd love some of your old books, furniture or small underpants.

cougarjake13

01-18-2009, 01:57 PM

TheMojoPin

01-18-2009, 01:57 PM

so who is the punisher thor guy ??

Ares.

cougarjake13

01-18-2009, 02:06 PM

Ares.

the same ares that became the red hulk ??

and is the iron fist chest logo suppossed to look like batmans or is it a coincidence ??

JustJon

01-19-2009, 05:12 AM

Huh.

I like the concept, but I hate when Bendis writes team titles. I like his writing style despite his flaws, but I think he's much better suited to writing a title that focus on a single character. His "voice" doesn't lend itself to teams because he makes everyone sound the same.

So I take it Ellis is no longer writing Thunderbolts? I really like the two trades thus far...too bad they couldn't get him to do this new series.

Ellis only did 12 issues. Read both HCs. Fantastic.

Poor Dr. Strange. I just re-read that mini Brian Vaughan wrote and it's so damn good. I like Strange like he is in that or when he showed up in the Dead Girl mini: kind of an arrogant goofy snob who is all powerful and bring down the thunder whenever he needs to.

Any mini that brings back Night Nurse gets a thumbs up from me.

I definitely want to sell mine. Seems like a pain in the ass...selling 9 longboxes at once doesn't seem realistic. You gotta do everything bit by bit if you want decent value, otherwise you'll probably just get a bulk price that way undervalues everything.

You pull the parts you think are valuable and sell those seperately, then bulk the rest.

TheMojoPin

01-19-2009, 05:43 AM

Ellis only did 12 issues. Read both HCs. Fantastic.

I really like the two trades thus far

You loon.

JustJon

01-19-2009, 05:50 AM

You loon.

But unlike you I knew they stopped at 2. :tongue:

TheMojoPin

01-19-2009, 05:51 AM

But unlike you I knew they stopped at 2. :tongue:

Yeah, thanks for the bad news, jerk.

JustJon

01-19-2009, 05:53 AM

Yeah, thanks for the bad news, jerk.

Let me cheer you up. The Boys is still monthly.

EliSnow

01-20-2009, 12:02 PM

the same ares that became the red hulk ??

Ares is not the Red Hulk.

JustJon

01-20-2009, 12:17 PM

Ares is not the Red Hulk.

Ares fought the Red Hulk in one of the first 6 issues.

Captain Rooster

01-21-2009, 05:27 PM

instrument

01-21-2009, 05:37 PM

1. Dark Avengers are like the old, slightly more sinister.

2.Red hulk was like green, much less interesting.

3. You could just read this thread, there's been tons of suggestions.

JustJon

01-22-2009, 06:00 AM

OK ... c'mon ... refresh, boys, I need an update:

1) What's the deal with "Dark Avemgers"?

2) Can I get some info on Red Hulk ... since I don't know, I better ask somebody!

3) Give me a decent title to read ... and why

PLEASE:)

1) After Secret Invasion, there's some sort of "evil" Avenger (ok, haven't read it yet)

2) Jeph Loeb is a hack writer who created a red hulk created by the govt., and Rick Jones - who was killed recently - is suddenly back as a blue hulk named A-Bomb.

3) Captain America. Because it's not Steve Rogers. (Hi Gvac)

TheMojoPin

01-22-2009, 07:13 AM

It's been mentioned here, but check out Scalped. Very cool crime/noir title set on an Indian reservation.

EliSnow

01-22-2009, 07:22 AM

OK ... c'mon ... refresh, boys, I need an update:

1) What's the deal with "Dark Avemgers"?

Prior to Secret Invasion, there was Civil War where Marvel's heroes fought about new legislation that required super-powered individuals to register with the US government. At that time, the Thunderbolts were taken over by the government and staffed with villains such as Bullseye and Venom. Norman Osborn led the Thunderbolts. Also, Tony Stark was made head of SHIELD, and managed groups like the Mighty Avengers, and the Initiative.

During Secret Invasion, Tony Stark's technology was rendered useless by a Skrull posing as Jarvis. As a result, Stark is in disfavor with the government, and kicked out. However, Osborn comes out as a hero because he led the Thunderbolts against the Skrulls and killed the Skrull Queen. SHIELD is dismantled and HAMMER is its replacement. Osborn is its head and gets to restaff the official Avengers. He staffs that team mostly with villains dressed in hero's costumes.

weekapaugjz

01-22-2009, 02:45 PM

i picked up dark avengers #1 yesterday out of curiosity. i think i might give it another 2 or 3 issues to grab my attention, if not, im gonna drop it. i have become very disinterested in what marvel has been putting out lately. i did just read the first iron fist trade and enjoyed it. the newest captain america trade is on my list to buy. im about to drop new avengers as well, gonna give it a few more issues like the dark avengers to see where bendis is taking it.

cougarjake13

01-22-2009, 03:22 PM

also just picked up the dark avengers

idea so far has got me

we'll see where it goes from here

cougarjake13

01-22-2009, 03:23 PM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/487973-000y240b_super.jpg

Aqualad

01-22-2009, 04:47 PM

also just picked up the dark avengers

idea so far has got me

we'll see where it goes from here

Fantastic first issue. I doubt I'll be a regular reader, but man what a setup.

Captain Rooster

01-22-2009, 04:48 PM

Prior to Secret Invasion, there was Civil War where Marvel's heroes fought about new legislation that required super-powered individuals to register with the US government. At that time, the Thunderbolts were taken over by the government and staffed with villains such as Bullseye and Venom. Norman Osborn led the Thunderbolts. Also, Tony Stark was made head of SHIELD, and managed groups like the Mighty Avengers, and the Initiative.

During Secret Invasion, Tony Stark's technology was rendered useless by a Skrull posing as Jarvis. As a result, Stark is in disfavor with the government, and kicked out. However, Osborn comes out as a hero because he led the Thunderbolts against the Skrulls and killed the Skrull Queen. SHIELD is dismantled and HAMMER is its replacement. Osborn is its head and gets to restaff the official Avengers. He staffs that team mostly with villains dressed in hero's costumes.

Sounds as if this should be a mini-series ... not its own title. I'll check it out.

Aqualad

01-22-2009, 04:48 PM

1)
2) Jeph Loeb is a hack writer who created a red hulk created by the govt., and Rick Jones - who was killed recently - is suddenly back as a blue hulk named A-Bomb.

A-Bomb the Blue Hulk? Seriously??

EliSnow

01-22-2009, 05:10 PM

Sounds as if this should be a mini-series ... not its own title. I'll check it out.

In a way, it is. It will last only as long as Dark Reign, so 2 years.

EliSnow

01-22-2009, 05:13 PM

A-Bomb the Blue Hulk? Seriously??

Not a Blue Hulk, more like Abomination II-- hence A-Bomb (sort of short for Abomination).

weekapaugjz

01-22-2009, 05:14 PM

Not a Blue Hulk, more like Abomination II-- hence A-Bomb (sort of short for Abomination).

kind of like this storyline.

EliSnow

01-23-2009, 09:26 AM

I don't know if we talked about this or not, but the new animated tv series, Wolverine and the X-Men starts on Nicktoons tonight.

JustJon

01-23-2009, 11:11 AM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/487973-000y240b_super.jpg

A-Bomb the Blue Hulk? Seriously??

See the above comic.

I don't know if we talked about this or not, but the new animated tv series, Wolverine and the X-Men starts on Nicktoons tonight.

TiVo already set. :smile:

TheMojoPin

01-23-2009, 11:12 AM

TiVo already set. :smile:

Quit acting like you won't be home tonight.

JustJon

01-23-2009, 11:15 AM

Quit acting like you won't be home tonight.

I will, but I forget to watch things if the TiVo doesn't automagically switch channels. Same for BSG tonite.

EliSnow

01-23-2009, 11:27 AM

See the above comic.

Okay, I saw the comic but does this look like a Blue Hulk or Abomination II?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Abomb.jpg/396px-Abomb.jpg

JustJon

01-23-2009, 11:48 AM

Okay, I saw the comic but does this look like a Blue Hulk or Abomination II?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Abomb.jpg/396px-Abomb.jpg

I read the first six issues online. Pretty art, but the writing doesn't get much better than the above.

EliSnow

01-23-2009, 11:50 AM

I read the first six issues online. Pretty art, but the writing doesn't get much better than the above.

I think I only read the first three issues. Couldn't stand it after that. Just complete crap.

Gvac

01-23-2009, 05:15 PM

1) After Secret Invasion, there's some sort of "evil" Avenger (ok, haven't read it yet)

2) Jeph Loeb is a hack writer who created a red hulk created by the govt., and Rick Jones - who was killed recently - is suddenly back as a blue hulk named A-Bomb.

3) Captain America. Because it's not Steve Rogers. (Hi Gvac)

Crazy talk.

Prick.

Captain Rooster

01-24-2009, 08:42 AM

donnie_darko

01-24-2009, 08:50 AM

why can't you imagine it?
whats so absurd or un-doable in the book?
we already know the rape scene is in the movie..

what do you think will be so impossible? just wondering.

and those blue hulk/red hulk/pretty much everything after wwh/planet hulk have all been horrible, wtf happened to those comics..

TheMojoPin

01-24-2009, 08:50 AM

just read Watchmen for the first time--ok, point and laugh--and that story is amazing! the writing is truly literary, and overall the novel has balls! i cant imagine the movie being truly accurate to the novel. i want to read every allen moore title .... ever!

Watch out for Lost Girls.

You should probably move on to debunking the movie versions of his books and read V for Vendetta, From Hell and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen boks nxt.

Captain Rooster

01-24-2009, 08:55 AM

Watch out for Lost Girls.

You should probably move on to debunking the movie versions of his books and read V for Vendetta, From Hell and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen boks nxt.

move on to debunking?

lost girls? that's moore?

on th movie ... i have a hard time believing the makers would allow the film to be as dark in the end ... i dont want to spoil.

TheMojoPin

01-24-2009, 09:07 AM

move on to debunking?

All the movie versions of those books don't even come close to sniffing how good the books were, hence "debunking" the films by checking out the amazing original source material.

lost girls? that's moore?

Yeah, it's....bizarre, to say the least. The concept sounded interesting at first...the exploration of the adult themes of famous female literary characters, but the end result is just straight up gonzo comic porn.

Captain Rooster

01-24-2009, 09:21 AM

All the movie versions of those books don't even come close to sniffing how good the books were, hence "debunking" the films by checking out the amazing original source material.

Gotcha ... I thought you were driving at something else. I am not one of those people who shoot down every film version I see ... but some just arent even close to the original vision.

I remember reading The Killing Joke as a kid ... and that blew my mind.

JustJon

01-24-2009, 06:41 PM

move on to debunking?

lost girls? that's moore?

on th movie ... i have a hard time believing the makers would allow the film to be as dark in the end ... i dont want to spoil.

I think you are allowed to spoil 20 year old books.

The Ogre

01-25-2009, 08:01 AM

No spoilers, but they altered the ending for the Watchmen film. I'm not sure if it retains the darkness of the original or not, but the mere fact that ithas been twisted into this new denoument really makes me doubt the quality of the film. My bigger issue, if that's even possible is that there is no way to translate such a layered story into a 2.5 or 3 hour movie. So a lot of scrifices will have to be made. And the fact that the director doesn't get certain elements of Watchmen will cause more story points and details to be removed or changed.

Example - Blake's scar which he gets in Vietnam. In the comics it runs down his face into the side of his mouth, giving him an inhuman, monstrous appearance, meant to give a visual cue to the fact that Blake is inhuman and monstrous. This leads to him stepping further away from humanity by way of the black mask, which isn't in the film. It also makes his attempt to connect to Laurie and regain a slight bit of his humanity that much more poignant.

There are other examples like this. I'd imagine the psychiatrist will have most of his story removed, and I haven't seen much to suggest that Hollis Mason will play as big a part. Like I mentioned before though, the real deal killer for me is the altered ending. I'm sure i'll be in the theater watching it, but the comic will always be the be all end all of Watchmen for me.

Aqualad

01-25-2009, 09:07 AM

The Ogre

01-25-2009, 12:29 PM

For me, the genius of Watchmen isn't in the plot or the characters, it is the way it uses the history and conventions of the comic book format to make you think of the medium in a new light. That's going to be tough to translate to a movie.

I agree completely. There's no way they can capture the metacommentary on the medium itself so I was focusing just on the surface elements of the story; the plot and characters. Watchmen is a perfectly realized comic book and will always exist there in its purest and best form.

donnie_darko

01-26-2009, 02:01 PM

oh they can capture it with some voiceover narration, hopefully they havent.

I'm not a huge fan of the original story, probably because i didn't read it years ago.. but no one i know is a huge fan of the story...and most people can't even get into it at all... still everyone's excited for the movie anyway.

Sort of like miracle man after about book 12.

Captain Rooster

01-28-2009, 08:34 AM

The X-Men based in San Fran SUCKS! The whole metaphor related to gay America was introduced by the films ... an even then the metaphor was too heavey handed.

Marvel keeps trying to make Cyclops into some sort of a badass ... seriously? Leave the tough guy shit to Wolverine. It would be more plausible to have Collosus begin to explore an edgier side.

The New X-Force isn't too bad ... art is dark ... and they are bringing back Cameron Hodge (I think) ... fell in love with that villain back in X-Tinction agenda, years ago.

I may abandon the X titles ... and look for some new ones.

EliSnow

01-28-2009, 08:46 AM

Marvel keeps trying to make Cyclops into some sort of a badass ... seriously? Leave the tough guy shit to Wolverine. It would be more plausible to have Collosus begin to explore an edgier side.

I disagree. Grant Morrison and Joss Whedon did a great job into making Cyclops from the annoying doubting, almost crybaby leader of the X-Men to a strong forceful figure. I think his character development over the last few years is probably the best character development going on in the X-Men world.

The New X-Force isn't too bad ... art is dark ... and they are bringing back Cameron Hodge (I think) ... fell in love with that villain back in X-Tinction agenda, years ago.

Cameron Hodge was brought back almost a year ago when X-Force started. And I have to say that he is a horrendous villain and X-Tinction Agenda is one of the three worst X-crossover stories aver.

JustJon

01-28-2009, 09:06 AM

X-Force looks like complete shite. Haven't touched a single issue.

And the gay metaphor comes and goes in X-Men. X-Men pretty much represent every outcast group in america.

Captain Rooster

01-28-2009, 01:42 PM

I disagree. Grant Morrison and Joss Whedon did a great job into making Cyclops from the annoying doubting, almost crybaby leader of the X-Men to a strong forceful figure. I think his character development over the last few years is probablym the best character development going on in the X-Men world.

Cameron Hodge was brought back almost a year ago when X-Force started. And I have to say that he is a horrendous villain and X-Tinction Agenda is one of the three worst X-crossover stories aver.

So ... agree to disagree? The love affair between Wolverine and Jean was undeveloped in X-Tinction? Jim Lee as an artist the the story as a whole is the best thing in 15 years ... name a better cross over ... and if you mention eXecutioner's song ... I'll puke,

And Cyclops ... wasn't his doubting and weakness more of a reason to allow another character to come to the forefront rather than suddenly have him become an altogether new character? I liked him the way he was ... I don;t buy that he is suddenly this badass strategist who would make Patton look like a lightweight.

And Jon, aren't the X titles better as the ambiguous compilation of all merginalized groups ... rather than what they are becoming.

Sheeplovr

01-28-2009, 04:14 PM

anyone checking out the Watchmen Motion comic you can buy them form amazon or itunes $1.99 a chapter or $19.99 for a subscription of all chapters

it's pretty cool though the voices arn't the voices i have in my head for the characters

i would like alot of classic comics ot be redone this way
you still read all the word bubbles come up but its nariated
its kinda a comic on tape really

if i had a itouch i would buy them all for my phone ot keep and would watch them over and over

they go about 20 to 25 minuets a episode

------
side note
i hate how confusing the dc titles are right now with the villain covers it's hard working at a shop i keep forgetting what is what

CofyCrakCocaine

01-28-2009, 05:17 PM

I've not read Xmen since the Onslaught saga, oh, some 16 or so years ago. Last I checked, Wolverine's nose disappeared immediately following that storyline. Did it ever come back?

instrument

01-28-2009, 05:27 PM

I really enjoyed x-factor till they moved and got a new artist.

I can't deal with whoevers drawing that thing now.

Miss Layla Miller, the girl who knows stuff.

EliSnow

01-29-2009, 08:06 AM

So ... agree to disagree? The love affair between Wolverine and Jean was undeveloped in X-Tinction? Jim Lee as an artist the the story as a whole is the best thing in 15 years ... name a better cross over ... and if you mention eXecutioner's song ... I'll puke,

My feeling is that X-Men crossovers generally suck. Jim Lee didn't do the whole thing and the art in parts was horrendous. I was reading comics for 2 years at that point, and was huge X-Men fan, but even I couldn't stomach that mess. And the Wolverine/Jean love was done many times by that point.

I think the recent Messiah crossover was way better.

And Cyclops ... wasn't his doubting and weakness more of a reason to allow another character to come to the forefront rather than suddenly have him become an altogether new character? I liked him the way he was ... I don;t buy that he is suddenly this badass strategist who would make Patton look like a lightweight.

They always made him a great tactician. He was always great at that aspect of leading a team. The problem he had was in his doubt of himself during the quiet moments. And shit, after everything he did and how he led the team, he shouldn't have been that way anymore.

As for him being a suddenly altogether new character, that's not the way it happened. They developed him very nicely he came back from his merger with Apocalypse. Morrison and then Whedon brought him from where he was after that, and showed how he became what he is today.

And Jon, aren't the X titles better as the ambiguous compilation of all merginalized groups ... rather than what they are becoming.

The problem is that in reality, you're not seeing the marginalized groups as much as you did in the '60's/'70's. But the one marginalized group we still have is the gays. Given how big of news Prop 8 was in California, that is a great thing to portray in comics.

Sheeplovr

01-29-2009, 05:31 PM

anyone checking out the Watchmen Motion comic you can buy them form amazon or itunes $1.99 a chapter or $19.99 for a subscription of all chapters

it's pretty cool though the voices arn't the voices i have in my head for the characters

i would like alot of classic comics ot be redone this way
you still read all the word bubbles come up but its nariated
its kinda a comic on tape really

if i had a itouch i would buy them all for my phone ot keep and would watch them over and over

they go about 20 to 25 minuets a episode

------

http://www.havenvideo.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&p=130890

link to see them for free

Captain Rooster

01-29-2009, 05:38 PM

My feeling is that X-Men crossovers generally suck. Jim Lee didn't do the whole thing and the art in parts was horrendous. I was reading comics for 2 years at that point, and was huge X-Men fan, but even I couldn't stomach that mess. And the Wolverine/Jean love was done many times by that point.

I think the recent Messiah crossover was way better.

They always made him a great tactician. He was always great at that aspect of leading a team. The problem he had was in his doubt of himself during the quiet moments. And shit, after everything he did and how he led the team, he shouldn't have been that way anymore.

As for him being a suddenly altogether new character, that's not the way it happened. They developed him very nicely he came back from his merger with Apocalypse. Morrison and then Whedon brought him from where he was after that, and showed how he became what he is today.

The problem is that in reality, you're not seeing the marginalized groups as much as you did in the '60's/'70's. But the one marginalized group we still have is the gays. Given how big of news Prop 8 was in California, that is a great thing to portray in comics.

Eli ... I really like your perspectives. I missed the whole "merger with Apocalypse" thing w/ Cyclops. I gotta say, Whedon's "Astonishing" title is what brought me back to subscribing to monthlies.

I'll give Cyclops another chance ... and read the lead up to now.

Re: "the agenda"... I think part of my frustration come from my love for the idea that the mansion was in Westchester, NY was so cool. San Fran removes the New York aspect I loved about the X-Men.

I appreciate the feedback ... you a Deadpool fan? I am thinking about picking up the series.

Aqualad

01-31-2009, 07:28 AM

I appreciate the feedback ... you a Deadpool fan? I am thinking about picking up the series.

I love Deadpool but from what I've read the current series is only OK. Not on the level of Kelley, Priest, or Simone.

DH 215

02-01-2009, 08:17 AM

boobieman

02-01-2009, 08:29 AM

Suggestion: Captain America Theater of War. Good stories. Set in war time, with original Cap.

Operation:Zero Point
America First!
America The Beautiful..Really liked this one.
A few more are due to come out.

SEEEYAYAYAYAAA

ToiletCrusher

02-03-2009, 05:07 AM

didn't read through the entire thread but I did a quick search.

Anyone ever read 'gen 13' series?

EliSnow

02-03-2009, 05:14 AM

Eli ... I really like your perspectives. I missed the whole "merger with Apocalypse" thing w/ Cyclops. I gotta say, Whedon's "Astonishing" title is what brought me back to subscribing to monthlies.

I'll give Cyclops another chance ... and read the lead up to now.

Re: "the agenda"... I think part of my frustration come from my love for the idea that the mansion was in Westchester, NY was so cool. San Fran removes the New York aspect I loved about the X-Men.

Last year I got the entire run of Uncanny X-Men on CDRom for Christmas. Over the year, I went back and read every issue (skipping annuals), and I was suprised to see that the team was in San Francisco for a short period during its run.

Given San Fran's more liberal leanings, and I'm not just talking gays, it's a good fit for the X-Men, especially if you want to mix things up a little.

I appreciate the feedback ... you a Deadpool fan? I am thinking about picking up the series.

I collected it when Casey was writing him. Not really since then.

Captain Rooster

02-04-2009, 01:16 PM

[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]Last year I got the entire run of Uncanny X-Men on CDRom for Christmas.

I NEED that CDROM ... will look into it at my local store.

EliSnow

02-04-2009, 01:21 PM

I NEED that CDROM ... will look into it at my local store.

It's available at amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/40-Years-of-the-X-Men/dp/B000E28UT2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1233786029&sr=8-1).

weekapaugjz

02-04-2009, 02:04 PM

I am not liking the new Deadpool title. It does not feel like the same quality as the last run.

I agree with Sheepy in regards to the new Faces of Evil covers that DC is using. It is confusing when you are looking at titles.

DC is set on confusing readers after Final Crisis. I think there may be an internal memo on this topic.

ive been loving the faces of evil covers, mainly because i love the villains in the dc universe. i really enjoyed the black adam cover on the jsa, the solomon grundy, and deathstroke issues also liked the superwoman pose on supergirl.

weekapaugjz

02-04-2009, 02:07 PM

weekapaugjz

02-04-2009, 02:09 PM

also, the magneto: testament mini came out with its last issue today. i thought it was a great story. it had great art and was very accurate in portraying the life of during the holocaust. i highly recommend it if you haven't been reading it.

Gvac

02-04-2009, 03:24 PM

i didn't post this last week, but i loved the jsa issue last week with the start of the black adam story. its picking up the storyline of felix faust holding isis captive and adam finally getting his revenge on him. looks like it should be a pretty action packed story arc.

i also could be biased though because black adam is my favorite dcu villain.

The JSA is still around? NO SHIT!

How about Wildcat? He was my favorite.

For some reason I always seemed to like guys with limited or no superpowers over the ones like Superman.

weekapaugjz

02-04-2009, 03:41 PM

The JSA is still around? NO SHIT!

How about Wildcat? He was my favorite.

For some reason I always seemed to like guys with limited or no superpowers over the ones like Superman.

yeah, wildcat is still around. they did a relaunch of jsa a little bit ago. its up to issue 26. the new series has some of the old jsa members like alan scott, jay garrick, wildcat, and hawkman training some younger heroes and giving them guidance. and wildcat's son is part of the team too.

JustJon

02-04-2009, 06:03 PM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p0mdOhPKL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Scott Pilgrim 5 came out today (but my store didn't order any, so I'll pick it up from Oni Saturday at NYCC)

EliSnow

02-05-2009, 02:24 AM

yeah, wildcat is still around. they did a relaunch of jsa a little bit ago. its up to issue 26. the new series has some of the old jsa members like alan scott, jay garrick, wildcat, and hawkman training some younger heroes and giving them guidance. and wildcat's son is part of the team too.

Actually, a relaunched JSA came out around 1999. Then the re-launched again as Justice Society of America about two years or so ago. It's been a pretty good book the entire time. And actually demonstrated Geoff Johns ability to bring back characters with complicated and conflicting storylines and make them simpler when he brought back Hawkman.

EliSnow

02-09-2009, 05:48 AM

MisterSmith

02-09-2009, 06:01 AM

Actually, a relaunched JSA came out around 1999. Then the re-launched again as Justice Society of America about two years or so ago. It's been a pretty good book the entire time. And actually demonstrated Geoff Johns ability to bring back characters with complicated and conflicting storylines and make them simpler when he brought back Hawkman.

I just caught up on Justice Society and it is a really solid book. I "dropped it" during the slow start it had in the "team building" phase, but I really should have had more patience.

But to be fair, I think the first 9 issues work a lot better as a collection than a monthly run. Reading them one after the other in immediate succession gave you a much better feel for what Johns was doing.

MisterSmith

02-09-2009, 06:04 AM

You know, lately, even I have been getting tired of comic book movies. However, until I saw this, (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40042) I didn't realize how bad it could get.

That's right, there's a rumor that Brett Ratner will direct Rob Liefeld's Youngblood. Unbelievable.

Ugh. Not much else you can say about that one.

Of course with everybody expecting the movie to suck maybe we will be surprised by a palatable movie.

Tall_James

02-09-2009, 06:04 AM

You know, lately, even I have been getting tired of comic book movies. However, until I saw this, (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40042) I didn't realize how bad it could get.

That's right, there's a rumor that Brett Ratner will direct Rob Liefeld's Youngblood. Unbelievable.

There is only one Youngblood movie. And that one stars Rob Lowe, Patrick Swayze and Keanu Reeves.

JustJon

02-09-2009, 09:06 AM

TheMojoPin

02-09-2009, 12:00 PM

I just got the 4th hardcover of Walking Dead, which goes through the 8th trade.

...

Jesus Christ.

weekapaugjz

02-09-2009, 01:11 PM

I just got the 4th hardcover of Walking Dead, which goes through the 8th trade.

...

Jesus Christ.

I've never been so affected reading a comic than at the end of volume 8.

Aqualad

02-09-2009, 02:16 PM

You know, lately, even I have been getting tired of comic book movies. However, until I saw this, (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40042) I didn't realize how bad it could get.

That's right, there's a rumor that Brett Ratner will direct Rob Liefeld's Youngblood. Unbelievable.

I actually really like this idea. I've gotten pretty tired of superhero movies lately, but a bizarre choice like this one would guarantee my ass would be in the seat on opening day.

DH 215

02-09-2009, 06:37 PM

weekapaugjz

02-09-2009, 10:22 PM

I do not get the appeal of the Youngblood movie. Is there that much of a fan base to support a movie?

Also, I am really liking the current JSA run. I am thinking this new Black Adam storyline may change my view of it. I was never a Black Adam fan.

I believe its only a three issue arc. And I couldn't disagree with you more on black adam. But to each their own.

Aqualad

02-10-2009, 12:44 AM

Also, I am really liking the current JSA run. I am thinking this new Black Adam storyline may change my view of it. I was never a Black Adam fan.

Not me. Love Black Adam, hate the Justice Society book. "JSA" was so great, but "Justice Society" moves at a slug's pace, spending ten + issues telling you how great Kingdom Come was. What a disappointing relaunch.

Captain Rooster

02-10-2009, 02:42 PM

Servo

02-10-2009, 03:22 PM

I just got the 4th hardcover of Walking Dead, which goes through the 8th trade.

...

Jesus Christ.

Ooh, I have to get that. I'm not a comic book guy, but I like Walking Dead very much.

I just finished reading Moore's "From Hell." Loved it.

JustJon

02-11-2009, 09:18 AM

Read Scott Pilgrim 5 last night. I need vol 6. Now.

booster11373

02-11-2009, 09:59 AM

This will be the first week in.... I dont know how long that I wont be picking up any titles, last week I told my guy that I had to cancel my in-store subscription.

EliSnow

02-11-2009, 10:08 AM

TheMojoPin

02-11-2009, 10:51 AM

Ooh, I have to get that. I'm not a comic book guy, but I like Walking Dead very much.

Get ready to feel like you just got kicked in the balls by the end of it.

I just finished reading Moore's "From Hell." Loved it.

FH is one of my favorite pieces of literature, period. It's definitely my favorite book by Moore, by far. It's incredible how much research went into that thing.

Aqualad

02-11-2009, 02:00 PM

I picked up Batman #686, the start of the Whatever Happened To The Caped Crusader arc by Neil Gaiman.

It reminds me a little of what Morrison was doing with Last Rites, but I like it better. It definitely has a Sandman feel to it as well. [

Totally agree. I liked the Morrison run a lot, but this one issue accomplished the same things in a fraction of the time.

I wish Gaiman would do more work with the Batman family. He did a couple Secret Origins, a short story in Black and White, a couple cameos in Sandman, and now this. You would think that this would be a great match of writer and character.

AnnoyedGrunt

02-11-2009, 02:14 PM

I can only think of a one panel cameo in the final Sandman trade. What am I forgetting?

TheMojoPin

02-11-2009, 02:16 PM

I can only think of a one panel cameo in the final Sandman trade. What am I forgetting?

I think there was just the one. When Morpheus encounters the JLA in the first story arc, I think he only deals with Mr. Miracle and Martian Manhunter.

EliSnow

02-11-2009, 02:26 PM

I think there was just the one. When Morpheus encounters the JLA in the first story arc, I think he only deals with Mr. Miracle and Martian Manhunter.

He didn't encounter Bats in that arc? I thought one of the villains had escaped Arkham.

TheMojoPin

02-11-2009, 02:31 PM

He didn't encounter Bats in that arc? I thought one of the villains had escaped Arkham.

Yeah, Dr. Destiny, but the only Batman connection I remember is that we briefly see Scarecrow.

EliSnow

02-11-2009, 02:38 PM

Yeah, Dr. Destiny, but the only Batman connection I remember is that we briefly see Scarecrow.

You're probably right.

Minor tangent to the Caped Crusader arc. I remember when. I first saw Andy Kubert 's work on the X-Men and I hated it. I don't know if it was the inking, that it wasn't good, or that my taste sucked, but now I really like his work.

Aqualad

02-11-2009, 05:45 PM

I think there was just the one. When Morpheus encounters the JLA in the first story arc, I think he only deals with Mr. Miracle and Martian Manhunter.

One-panel cameo in Preludes and Nocturnes (no lines, just him and Hal Jordan fighting Dr Destiny in flashback, I think); one-panel cameo in The Wake. Also he had a brief scene in Black Orchid, another Gaiman/ McKean book.