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[TheMojoPin]

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Goddamn X-comics.

Goddamn Marvel.

"Make him a cyborg! Give him two GUNS for arms! Don't forget a bunch of useless pouches!"

[JustJon]

Yeah, that Kane, but when I read him, he was part of Cable's Six Pack, wasn't quite so cybernetic, and had a red jacket.

[JustJon]

...

Goddamn X-comics.

Goddamn Marvel.

"Make him a cyborg! Give him two GUNS for arms! Don't forget a bunch of useless pouches!"

Uh, first appearance: X-Force Vol 1. #2. 'nuff said.

[EliSnow]

You're gay for Fantomex.

Times infinity.

Well, then here you go:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9053/fantosig1zf9.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2822/fantosig2hs3.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

*HEART*

You're the bee's knees!

[TheMojoPin]

Uh, first appearance: X-Force Vol 1. #2. 'nuff said.

HAH! I figured he was just a Liefeld knockoff (redundant, I know), but turns out he was spewed from the man himself.

[Tall_James]

Just read Secret Invasion #1 and I enjoyed it. Perhaps this title may warrant its own thread.

[EliSnow]

Just read Secret Invasion #1 and I enjoyed it. Perhaps this title may warrant its own thread.

I ordered it, but I won't be getting it until Monday night. I may have to go to the closest comic book store to pick it up.

I think it's worth it's own thread.

[Knowledged_one]

I ordered it, but I won't be getting it until Monday night. I may have to go to the closest comic book store to pick it up.

I think it's worth it's own thread.

I agree i cant wait to read this, i am betting will lead to the return of the real captain america i have been checking the wiki page on this regluarly

Can anyone tell me whats happening with the Divided we Stand arc that the x-books are now running after messiah complex?

[EliSnow]

I agree i cant wait to read this, i am betting will lead to the return of the real captain america i have been checking the wiki page on this regluarly

All of the Marvel writers have been clear that the Cap was not a Skrull. Brubaker has said that Secret Invasion will not play that big of a role in the Captain America books.


Can anyone tell me whats happening with the Divided we Stand arc that the x-books are now running after messiah complex?

Very little, and really nothing worth summarizing.

[Knowledged_one]

All of the Marvel writers have been clear that the Cap was not a Skrull. Brubaker has said that Secret Invasion will not play that big of a role in the Captain America books.




Very little, and really nothing worth summarizing.

Thank you for the Divided we Stand update you are a prince good sir

And i know that Cap isnt a skrull, thats why i think they may bring him back as he is the only one they know for sure is not a skrull, i know they are saying no Cap bring back but they have misled us before, maybe they will say that Mephisto offered Cap his life back if he promises to give up his man love for the Falcon i mean it happened in Spidey right?

I know i am probably way off but i did say they were going to bring back Sara Tencredy on Prison Break and everyone said i was wrong but she is coming back

[EliSnow]

Thank you for the Divided we Stand update you are a prince good sir

And i know that Cap isnt a skrull, thats why i think they may bring him back as he is the only one they know for sure is not a skrull, i know they are saying no Cap bring back but they have misled us before, maybe they will say that Mephisto offered Cap his life back if he promises to give up his man love for the Falcon i mean it happened in Spidey right?

I know i am probably way off but i did say they were going to bring back Sara Tencredy on Prison Break and everyone said i was wrong but she is coming back



If (When) Cap comes back, I predict it happens in his own book and not as part of Secret Invasion or other company wide "event" (unless the event itself is Cap's return).

[JustJon]

Please make Secret Invasion its own thread. I'll be reading the trade in the fall/winter, and I know there will be spoilers I come across before then, but I really don't want it to be overly ruined by the discussion.

[Gritty]

Please make Secret Invasion its own thread. I'll be reading the trade in the fall/winter, and I know there will be spoilers I come across before then, but I really don't want it to be overly ruined by the discussion.

Should we do the same for Final Crisis?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7219/fc24pe4.jpg

'cuz all of a sudden I'm interested in this series.

[EliSnow]

Should we do the same for Final Crisis?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7219/fc24pe4.jpg

'cuz all of a sudden I'm interested in this series.

We probably will, although the image above isn't for the main Final Crisis miniseries. It's for a side event involving the Legion of Super Heroes.

[Gritty]

We probably will, although the image above isn't for the main Final Crisis miniseries. It's for a side event involving the Legion of Super Heroes.

My reading comprehension skills stink. I didn't pick that up at all from the interview with Johns and just assumed that the theme for the entire series was LOS. Thanks for straightening me out, Eli.

Still looking forward to the series.

[JustJon]

You can create a thread for any series you want.

And is that XS in the art? She was created during the previous reboot as a Legion/Flash character by Mark Waid and only existed during that reboot. So does that mean it's going to tie all the reboots and original series together?

[EliSnow]

Ed Brubaker and others are leaving Iron Fist this summer after issue #16.

I'm inconsolable. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=152812)

[Tall_James]

Ed Brubaker and others are leaving Iron Fist this summer after issue #16.

I'm inconsolable. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=152812)

I hear they're going to revamp this old title...

http://www.tomchristopher.com/home/Comic%20History/Orrin%20C.%20Evans%20and%20The%20Story%20of%20All% 20Negro%20Comics/images/image002.jpg

[JustJon]

Ed Brubaker and others are leaving Iron Fist this summer after issue #16.

I'm inconsolable. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=152812)

I liked the first hard cover of this series. I'll read thru the Brubaker collections, hope he gives it an ending when he goes.

[chubbyknuckles]

I hear they're going to revamp this old title...

http://www.tomchristopher.com/home/Comic%20History/Orrin%20C.%20Evans%20and%20The%20Story%20of%20All% 20Negro%20Comics/images/image002.jpg

Wow, i wonder if Earl's gonna sue over copyright infringement.

[Sheeplovr]

Wow, i wonder if Earl's gonna sue over copyright infringement.

i think ennis should do it

[Mike Kingston]

Anyone here read any indy comics at all? If so, which titles?

I dig:

Maintenance from Oni
Walking Dead from Image
Students of the Unusual from 3 Boy Publishing
Starship Troopers from Markosia


Looking at picking up Jeff Smith's new series but haven't yet....

[chubbyknuckles]

i think ennis should do it

Ennis already writes 25 comics a month, so maybe just send him the dvd collection of Shaka Zulu, Roots and The Kentucky fried movie, should give him just the right characterization.

[weekapaugjz]

ive picked up a few tpb over the last few days that excited to get into this afternoon.

killing joke - ive been looking forward to reading this for a long time and could never find it anywhere

batman: false faces - it immediately caught my eye because of brian k. vaughan. ive enjoyed everything ive read by him

wolverine evolution - ive been getting back into wolverine quite a bit. i read the origins hardcover about two weeks back

new frontier - from all the talk about the dvd, i saw the tpb at the local store yesterday and decided to check it out. i havent read any dc except for batman so im looking forward to it.

[weekapaugjz]

just finished wolverine: evolution and thought it was pretty good. i enjoyed the story line of being connected with sabretooth through the different ages. anybody know anything about romulus? ive done a little searching had havent been able to really find anything. is he going to be popping up in any future wolverine issues?

[EliSnow]

just finished wolverine: evolution and thought it was pretty good. i enjoyed the story line of being connected with sabretooth through the different ages. anybody know anything about romulus? ive done a little searching had havent been able to really find anything. is he going to be popping up in any future wolverine issues?

Presumably he will. Although they haven't done anything with the character since the Romulus storyline.

It may be awhile as well. Right now, the Wolverine comic is dealing with the aftereffects of Messah CompleX and after that arc is an arc by Mark Millar about Wolvie set in the future when almost all superheroes are gone and Wolvie retired with a family.

[Gmann]

Anyone here read any indy comics at all? If so, which titles?

I dig:

Maintenance from Oni
Walking Dead from Image
Students of the Unusual from 3 Boy Publishing
Starship Troopers from Markosia


Looking at picking up Jeff Smith's new series but haven't yet....


I keep hearing Walking Dead is a sick comic. Any Tpb's on it ?

[JustJon]

ive picked up a few tpb over the last few days that excited to get into this afternoon.

killing joke - ive been looking forward to reading this for a long time and could never find it anywhere

batman: false faces - it immediately caught my eye because of brian k. vaughan. ive enjoyed everything ive read by him

wolverine evolution - ive been getting back into wolverine quite a bit. i read the origins hardcover about two weeks back

new frontier - from all the talk about the dvd, i saw the tpb at the local store yesterday and decided to check it out. i havent read any dc except for batman so im looking forward to it.

Killing Joke was available in the Alan Moore DC tpb last year. About the same money for a softcover with some amazing comics, including the last superman story.

New Frontier is 2 tpbs or a single Absolute edition. I picked up the absolute, but he story is fantastic.

I think I may have missed that Bat book, and I don't read any Wolverine books because too many of them are shite.

I keep hearing Walking Dead is a sick comic. Any Tpb's on it ?

There's multiple collections, my numbers may be a lil off, but I think it's in 6 softcovers or 3 hardcovers.

[TheMojoPin]

Killing Joke was available in the Alan Moore DC tpb last year. About the same money for a softcover with some amazing comics, including the last superman story.

New Frontier is 2 tpbs or a single Absolute edition. I picked up the absolute, but he story is fantastic.

I think I may have missed that Bat book, and I don't read any Wolverine books because too many of them are shite.



There's multiple collections, my numbers may be a lil off, but I think it's in 6 softcovers or 3 hardcovers.

8 softcovers of TWD are out so far.

The Absolute edition of TNF has a bunch of extra pages that the trades don't have.

DC is seemingly trying to piss off Alan Moore on purpose now, since that collection and the new deluxe version of TKJ inexplicably cut out the silent opening and closing pages for no reason whatsoever.

[JustJon]

8 softcovers of TWD are out so far.

The Absolute edition of TNF has a bunch of extra pages that the trades don't have.

DC is seemingly trying to piss off Alan Moore on purpose now, since that collection and the new deluxe version of TKJ inexplicably cut out the silent opening and closing pages for no reason whatsoever.

Ok, 8. I haven't read TWD, I keep putting it off...

I didn't realize they cut those pages out of The Killing Joke, but at this point is there any company that Alan Moore does like?

[TheMojoPin]

Ok, 8. I haven't read TWD, I keep putting it off...

I didn't realize they cut those pages out of The Killing Joke, but at this point is there any company that Alan Moore does like?

I think he just hates Marvel and DC and anything Rob Liefeld is running.

[weekapaugjz]

and I don't read any Wolverine books because too many of them are shite.


any advice on which wolverine stories to stay away from? nothing pisses me off more than wasting 20 bucks on a shitty trade.

[TheMojoPin]

any advice on which wolverine stories to stay away from? nothing pisses me off more than wasting 20 bucks on a shitty trade.

95% of them.

[JustJon]

any advice on which wolverine stories to stay away from? nothing pisses me off more than wasting 20 bucks on a shitty trade.

95% of them.

QFT. Honestly, last Wolverine story I read was the Origins miniseries and felt ripped off by that. (I was reading floppies, so weak story + delays)

I will tell you to get the original Wolverine miniseries by Chris Claremont and Frank Miller and you'll see why I used to be a Wolverine fan when I started reading X-Men, and compare it to today's Wolvie stories to see why I'm not anymore.

[weekapaugjz]

QFT. Honestly, last Wolverine story I read was the Origins miniseries and felt ripped off by that. (I was reading floppies, so weak story + delays)

I will tell you to get the original Wolverine miniseries by Chris Claremont and Frank Miller and you'll see why I used to be a Wolverine fan when I started reading X-Men, and compare it to today's Wolvie stories to see why I'm not anymore.

sounds good, i just added to my cart at amazon. any other recommendations before i go to checkout?

[Sheeplovr]

95% of them.

hahahahahaha

jon you dont like origins?

its very popular in my store and alot of people just buy the wolverine origins book

[JustJon]

hahahahahaha

jon you dont like origins?

its very popular in my store and alot of people just buy the wolverine origins book

That's great. Rob Liefeld was popular in the 90's. Didn't make him good.

[EliSnow]

What about Millar's Enemy of the State. I liked that.

[TheMojoPin]

hahahahahaha

jon you dont like origins?

its very popular in my store and alot of people just buy the wolverine origins book

Yeah, and Valiant used to be the hottest publisher going according to "the people in the stores."

[Mike Kingston]

I keep hearing Walking Dead is a sick comic. Any Tpb's on it ?

The whole story is collected in trade...it's worth starting from the beginning.

[TheMojoPin]

The whole story is collected in trade...it's worth starting from the beginning.

It's a fantastic title, but I also reccomend Kirkman's other ongoing Image title, Invincible. That's easily my favorite ongoing superhero title right now.

[JustJon]

It's a fantastic title, but I also reccomend Kirkman's other ongoing Image title, Invincible. That's easily my favorite ongoing superhero title right now.

I picked up the Essential oversized HC that had like the first 50 issues of the book. Fantastic story. Fun book.

[Sheeplovr]

That's great. Rob Liefeld was popular in the 90's. Didn't make him good.

no its hahah to mojo comment it was funny

then it was new with talking about how it's popular

[Sheeplovr]

i like kick ass so far

[JustJon]

no its hahah to mojo comment it was funny

then it was new with talking about how it's popular

Yes, I got it. You laughed at mojo, but the next line you asked me a question, so I answered it. I can piss off fanboys next saturday and say the same thing at the comic con.

[Mike Kingston]

Anyone going to the New York City Comic Con this weekend?

If you are, I'll be sharing a booth (booth 2450) in small press and a guest signer for Comic Collector Live on Saturday from 12-2.

Come by and say hi....particularly to the CCL signing so I look somewhat respectable :)


And I think Wolverine: Origins really sucks, I kind of enjoyed the first arc but it went downhill very fast.

I am however enjoying the current regular Wolverine arc with Jason Aaron at the helm...I thought his single issue fill in a few months back was pretty solid too. But I'm not shocked, Scalped is one of my favorite titles anyway....

[Gritty]

Anyone going to the New York City Comic Con this weekend?

If you are, I'll be sharing a booth (booth 2450) in small press and a guest signer for Comic Collector Live on Saturday from 12-2.

Come by and say hi....particularly to the CCL signing so I look somewhat respectable :)


And I think Wolverine: Origins really sucks, I kind of enjoyed the first arc but it went downhill very fast.

I am however enjoying the current regular Wolverine arc with Jason Aaron at the helm...I thought his single issue fill in a few months back was pretty solid too. But I'm not shocked, Scalped is one of my favorite titles anyway....

My son and I will be there on Sunday. Hopefully we'll get a chance to stop by. Good luck at the signing!

[ToLEEdo]

i like kick ass so far

Kick-Ass has been really good, I believe the movie rights have already been picked up. It will be interesting to see how the story plays out.

[EliSnow]

just finished wolverine: evolution and thought it was pretty good. i enjoyed the story line of being connected with sabretooth through the different ages. anybody know anything about romulus? ive done a little searching had havent been able to really find anything. is he going to be popping up in any future wolverine issues?

Presumably he will. Although they haven't done anything with the character since the Romulus storyline.

It may be awhile as well. Right now, the Wolverine comic is dealing with the aftereffects of Messah CompleX and after that arc is an arc by Mark Millar about Wolvie set in the future when almost all superheroes are gone and Wolvie retired with a family.

Looks like storyline of the ongoing series Wolverine: Origins will have Romulus in it. And it looks like Romulus has been training Wolvie's son, Daaken.

[JustJon]

Looks like storyline of the ongoing series Wolverine: Origins will have Romulus in it. And it looks like Romulus has been training Wolvie's son, Daaken.

1) What kind of name is Daaken?

2) Is there a Remus too?

[EliSnow]

1) What kind of name is Daaken?

I mistyped it. It's Daken, and I have no idea where it's from.

2) Is there a Remus too?

So far, no.

[JustJon]

Who is the mother? Silver Fox?

(And I really liked the original Silver Fox story. I hate that it was turned into a Weapon X thing)

[EliSnow]

Who is the mother? Silver Fox?

(And I really liked the original Silver Fox story. I hate that it was turned into a Weapon X thing)

No, it was a Japanese woman named Itsu who was killed by Bucky (as the Winter Soldier), when he was controlled by the Soviets.

[Mike Kingston]

I just read Walking Dead 48/49....damn what a series! Nothing I can really say without spoiling things but talk about turning the status quo completely on its head!

[EliSnow]

I don't know who here reads Wizard, but they recently had a collector's issue celebrating their 200th issue. As part of that issue, they listed their top 200 comics since Wizard started (in 1991). Like any list, the list is interesting just for some of their choices and thoughts about comics. After reading the full list, I felt the need to go back and re-read a bunch of issues on the list (especially two Starman issues on the list).

Some comics got their place on the list for being an event comic (Superman#75 "Death of Superman"), some for the story itslef (Sandman #50 "Ramadan" or Ultimate Spider-man #13), and some because of how that comic/issue led to developments for comics generally (Daredevil (vol. 2) #1, listed as the first brick of the current Marvel universe and paving the way for Quesada).

Here's the top 10:

10. Dark Horse Presents Fifth Anniversary Special - Sin City debut
9. Daredevil (vol. 2) #1
8. Identity Crisis #1
7. Bone #1
6. Preacher #1
5. Superman #75
4. Sandman #50
3. All Star Superman #1
2. Marvels #1
1. Y The Last Man #1.

[TheMojoPin]

Huh. What's their reasoning for picking Y #1 as opposed to the final issue? Yes, the first one has a great setup, but the amazing resolution I think is what really made this series unique and special...much like Sandman.

And fuck, I still read Wizard, but I miss old snarky Wizard that actually had real opinions on things. I remember they made a very clear statement a few years ago that as the only major comics magazine, they wanted to present the medium in as posiive and welcoming a light as possibe as comics got more exposure through newer mediums like films and video games and drew in new readers or old readers who had been gone for a while. Yes, I understand that goal, but at the same time, it really maes the mgazine very voiceless and flat. It's like you can only get two ends of the spectrum...nu-Wizard, which loves everything, or The Comics Journal, which despises everything that sells more than 100 copies.

[EliSnow]

Huh. What's their reasoning for picking Y #1 as opposed to the final issue? Yes, the first one has a great setup, but the amazing resolution I think is what really made this series unique and special...much like Sandman.


The final issue was no. 32.

Their reasons for Y#1 getting the nod was due to "the books sweeping effects on readers everywhere which earn it the top spot." They go on to say how this first issue laid down story elements, adn had "clever threading of the series' intricate, overlapping narratives."

They end it saying that as proof, you could give this issue to a non-comic reading friend and they will be hooked.

So in my own words, it's a combination of the story, the impact of the idea underlying the series, and what this issue led to.

And I agree about Wizard. Liked it better back in the day, but still read.

[Sheeplovr]

10. Dark Horse Presents Fifth Anniversary Special - Sin City debut
9. Daredevil (vol. 2) #1
8. Identity Crisis #1
7. Bone #1
6. Preacher #1
5. Superman #75
4. Sandman #50
3. All Star Superman #1
2. Marvels #1
1. Y The Last Man #1. [/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

though i love the all star superman book and enjoyed the issue i dunno about bottom 10
i gotta read it at work tomarrow to see it all or whatever then nerd off with customers

[TheMojoPin]

The final issue was no. 32.

And I agree about Wizard. Liked it better back in the day, but still read.

Cool, at least it's on there.

I still read Wizard...there's really no other choice.

[EliSnow]

though i love the all star superman book and enjoyed the issue i dunno about bottom 10
i gotta read it at work tomarrow to see it all or whatever then nerd off with customers


Here are the links to the entire list, with their explanations of their reasonings:

200-151 (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/042508greatcomics1.html)
150-101 (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/042508greatcomics2.html)
100-51 (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/042808greatcomics3.html)
50-1 (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/042908greatcomics4.html)

[JustJon]

Cool, at least it's on there.

I still read Wizard...there's really no other choice.

Yes there is. Don't read it.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes there is. Don't read it.

In terms of single regular source that lets me easily keep track of the trades coming out? No, there isn't. Wizard and Wizard Edge are a godsend in that regard. Navigating comic websites, even ones as good as CBR, for that purpose are a fucking nightmare.

[MadMatt]

I just read Walking Dead 48/49....damn what a series! Nothing I can really say without spoiling things but talk about turning the status quo completely on its head!

Wait, is 49 out now? I read up to 48, but didn't know 49 was out...

[angrymissy]

Does anyone know when the next Walking Dead trade is coming out?

[weekapaugjz]

Does anyone know when the next Walking Dead trade is coming out?

it came out april 16. i can't wait to get it. i might just have to order it from amazon now...

edit: well, amazon said the 16th but it is still saying "pre-order". so i don't know.

[angrymissy]

it came out april 16. i can't wait to get it. i might just have to order it from amazon now...

yay. I was asking at comiccon and no one had it.

[weekapaugjz]

yay. I was asking at comiccon and no one had it.

see my edit. :sad:

[TheMojoPin]

It hasn't come out yet. As it's been pointed out, it was supposed to actually come out already, but Image as per usual never follows its release dates.

[EliSnow]

It hasn't come out yet. As it's been pointed out, it was supposed to actually come out already, but Image as per usual never follows its release dates.

Speaking of Image, Wizard also had the top 50 events that "rocked comics" since 1991, and No. 1 was the launch of Image Comics.

2 was death of Superman, 3 was the implosion of the speculation market in comics, 4 was Quesada taknig over Marel as EiC, and 5 was how being a comic book fan has become mainstream (take at look at how Comic-con has changed).

[EliSnow]

So is The New York Daily News the most comic book friendly newspaper right now? Yesterday, they revealed the news about DC Universe #0 (found in the DC's Final Crisis thread), and they also revealed Captain America's death last year.

Plus, I've noticed other articles here and and there, including some reviews, in the paper. It looks like a guy named Ethan Sacks has been writing these and has gotten some contacts at both Marvel and DC to write about stuff.

[JustJon]

So is The New York Daily News the most comic book friendly newspaper right now? Yesterday, they revealed the news about DC Universe #0 (found in the DC's Final Crisis thread), and they also revealed Captain America's death last year.

WTF is with the drops to the newspapers getting out before people can actually read the damn comics? Wednesday is new comic book day, but the papers are available at 6am and the stores don't open till 10 or 11 to actually buy the comics.

[EliSnow]

WTF is with the drops to the newspapers getting out before people can actually read the damn comics? Wednesday is new comic book day, but the papers are available at 6am and the stores don't open till 10 or 11 to actually buy the comics.

It's a great point. While I'm happy to see some maintstream coverage, this spoiler thing is annoying.

But don't you just read TPBs now anyway?

[Mike Kingston]

The thing that bother me about Wizard is that they really don't provide much coverage of indies at all and even then they're only talking about Jeff Smith, Terry Moore, or licensed properties. Wizard Edge is pretty much a once a year 8pg. article which again 1/4 of it went to Smith and Moore....

I go to cons all the time and there are so many incredible concepts and books that never get off the ground because they get snuffed out before they ever get started. A little coverage could make all the difference in the world for a lot of these books in terms of making enough orders to be carried by Diamond or god forbid, make a profit.

I would really like to see some expanded coverage of indies...even its its only 2 pages/issue. It's very difficult to break the whole Wizard/Diamond/Retailer axis that is essentially the gateway into the industry. Wizard needs to do a better job of highlighting concepts that will bring new readers into the industry instead of just catering to the superhero crowd. They have much more power to help/shape the industry than they realize.

I say this as my book was just mentioned in the letters page of issue 199....but only because Jerry Lawler mentioned it.

[JustJon]

It's a great point. While I'm happy to see some maintstream coverage, this spoiler thing is annoying.

But don't you just read TPBs now anyway?

Just because I read the books six months to a year later doesn't mean I like spoilers.

The thing that bother me about Wizard is that they really don't provide much coverage of indies at all and even then they're only talking about Jeff Smith, Terry Moore, or licensed properties. Wizard Edge is pretty much a once a year 8pg. article which again 1/4 of it went to Smith and Moore....

I go to cons all the time and there are so many incredible concepts and books that never get off the ground because they get snuffed out before they ever get started. A little coverage could make all the difference in the world for a lot of these books in terms of making enough orders to be carried by Diamond or god forbid, make a profit.

I would really like to see some expanded coverage of indies...even its its only 2 pages/issue. It's very difficult to break the whole Wizard/Diamond/Retailer axis that is essentially the gateway into the industry. Wizard needs to do a better job of highlighting concepts that will bring new readers into the industry instead of just catering to the superhero crowd. They have much more power to help/shape the industry than they realize.

I say this as my book was just mentioned in the letters page of issue 199....but only because Jerry Lawler mentioned it.

Wizard is all about appealing to the mainstream and promoting anything that people will buy. Whatever is popular is what Wizard covers.

[Mike Kingston]

Just because I read the books six months to a year later doesn't mean I like spoilers.



Wizard is all about appealing to the mainstream and promoting anything that people will buy. Whatever is popular is what Wizard covers.

Right and I understand that but two pages devoted to indy comics isn't going to hurt their readership and could help strengthen the industry. Wizard may fancy themselves as a pop culture comic book but if the comics industry went under...so would Wizard.

And at this point, Wizard has enough clout that they could help shape the industry rather than just be simple reporters.

[Lady Resin]

'The King' of comic book artists

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/05/02/jack.kirby/index.html

[EliSnow]

'The King' of comic book artists

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/05/02/jack.kirby/index.html

I picked this book up. Haven't read it yet though. Has some great Kirby art in it.

[JustJon]

'The King' of comic book artists

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/05/02/jack.kirby/index.html

Genius. Freakin' certified genius. I'll read the book eventually.

[TheMojoPin]

Incredible master of action art...changed the way it was portrayed forever. His attention to detail and sense of scope is just amazing...but damn if he didn't draw almost all of his adult human faces the same. Standard male face...standard female face, Kirby-style. It's no wonder DC had artists like Curt Swan redraw the face whenever Kirby drew Superman.

[Sheeplovr]

Incredible master of action art...changed the way it was portrayed forever. His attention to detail and sense of scope is just amazing...but damn if he didn't draw almost all of his adult human faces the same. Standard male face...standard female face, Kirby-style. It's no wonder DC had artists like Curt Swan redraw the face whenever Kirby drew Superman.

theres a new book out called kirby five oh it's really cool it jsut came in
we have it in my shop

[TheMojoPin]

And no, Jack didn't like that DC redrew his Supes. (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/)

Still, look at how he drew him:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/supermanhead1.jpg

That dude simply is not Superman. Yeah, artists are going to have their own take on a character, but that looks like Generic Kirby Adult Male #86 as opposed to the most recognizable superhero of all time. Hence why DC had it redone to look like this:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/supermanhead2.jpg

That's Superman.

And this is my favorite Kirby site if you want to find out more about him. (http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq1.htm)

[Gritty]

And no, Jack didn't like that DC redrew his Supes. (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/)

Still, look at how he drew him:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/supermanhead1.jpg

That dude simply is not Superman. Yeah, artists are going to have their own take on a character, but that looks like Generic Kirby Adult Male #86 as opposed to the most recognizable superhero of all time. Hence why DC had it redone to look like this:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/supermanhead2.jpg

That's Superman.

And this is my favorite Kirby site if you want to find out more about him. (http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq1.htm)

Aw, all they had to do was redraw the old spit-curl and it would have been fine. I don't blame possibly the greatest comic artist of all time for being pissed that someone altered his work.

Was his Superman really that different from what Frank Miller's, Bruce Timm's or Jon Bogdanove's? I mean, really -- everyone knows that this is what Superman looks like:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5803/superman04detailvx1.jpg

But I'll grant you that almost all of Kirby's characters look alike.

[JustJon]

Yeah, but Superman was iconic, and every single Superman back then had the same look. If you couldn't do that Curt Swan style, then you were generally off the book. Kirby's Superman did look a bit mongoloid, but they did let him make up his own corner of the DC Universe with the Mister Miracle/New Gods/Fourth World books.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but Superman was iconic, and every single Superman back then had the same look. If you couldn't do that Curt Swan style, then you were generally off the book. Kirby's Superman did look a bit mongoloid, but they did let him make up his own corner of the DC Universe with the Mister Miracle/New Gods/Fourth World books.

Plus it's not like they totally re-did the art...just Supes' face.

[ToLEEdo]

What do you guys think of artist Tony Harris?? (Ex-Machina, Spiderman: With great power)

He has a different style. I really dig him but it is definitely unique.

[TheMojoPin]

Don't forget his great work from Starman!

He's one of my favorite artists out there. Very crisp, unique style. I like how he references photo stagings of a lot of the scenes he draws...if you look at them, he uses them more as general outlines as opposed to just copying the details, and it lends a really cool sense of cinematic "realism" to his art.

The flipside of him is the ultra-hacky thieving Greg Land. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=149155) His work is mostly done through lightboxing...he basically traces photos and film stills, especially for the female faces he does. You'll notice his characters rarely have the same face, and the women usually look oddly orgasmic...probably because he's been busted for lifting most of his female faces from porn photos/films. He went from a typical Image-style crosshatching hack to a stealing "photorealistic" hack. (http://iagainstcomics.blogspot.com/2006/12/my-greg-land-experiment-pt-1.html) Fuck Greg Land.

[Gritty]

Plus it's not like they totally re-did the art...just Supes' face.

So it's OK to paint a mustache on the Mona Lisa? :annoyed: We're talking Jack Freakin' 'KING' Kirby. I can see doing it to some hack but not Jack.

I understand the thinking back then, it's just a shame he was subjected to that standard when he was so far above it. He was owed better for all he'd done as an artist/creator for so long.

Check out the cover of the Kirby Five-Oh issue of the Jack Kirby Collector for a fantastic Kirby Superman. Inked by Darwyn Cooke, I think it fits all the criteria for the 'iconic' Superman while still leaving no doubt it was drawn by Jack.

Interesting note from the preface, the one thing Kirby could never get right was the 'S' on Supe's shield.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8569/jkccoveruc4.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Too bad the rest of his Superman art didn't look like that at all.

Look, I love Kirby's work...but drawing adult faces wasn't one of his strong points.

[Aqualad]

Kirby was on a whole nother level than us mere mortals. He could draw an adult face any damn way he pleases as far as I'm concerned.

He's not my favorite artist, but I do think he's the best, in terms of what he brought to the artform.

[Lady Resin]

The pictures that horrified America:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/05/08/comic.books/index.html

[TheMojoPin]

The pictures that horrified America:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/05/08/comic.books/index.html

That book is great. Highly reccomended.

[TheMojoPin]

Kirby was on a whole nother level than us mere mortals. He could draw an adult face any damn way he pleases as far as I'm concerned.

And yet, ironically, he only chose one way.

He's not my favorite artist, but I do think he's the best, in terms of what he brought to the artform.

There's no way to ignore his impact, but my personal favorite is Will Eisner.

[Knowledged_one]

When will GVac start drawing some characters is what i want to know

[EliSnow]

I love Kirby Dots!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Ron Lim is my favorite modern "cosmic" artist (he drew Silver Surfer and the Infinity Gauntlet et al series in the 90's, though George Perez did the first couple issues of IG), and he knew where it was at using Kirby dots.

[EliSnow]

Ron Lim is my favorite modern "cosmic" artist (he drew Silver Surfer and the Infinity Gauntlet et al series in the 90's, though George Perez did the first couple issues of IG), and he knew where it was at using Kirby dots.

I'm looking for some good examples of Kirby dots images, for some sigs. Found one so far.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4530/kirbydotssigbe8.jpg

[Aqualad]

Ron Lim is my favorite modern "cosmic" artist (he drew Silver Surfer and the Infinity Gauntlet et al series in the 90's, though George Perez did the first couple issues of IG), and he knew where it was at using Kirby dots.

Where's Lim been lately?

[Gritty]

I'm looking for some good examples of Kirby dots images, for some sigs. Found one so far.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4530/kirbydotssigbe8.jpg



These any good?

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8242/jkgalactuszd4.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4553/jkdoomsurferyn3.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/988/jkdarkseidvc5.jpg

[Tall_James]

I've been enjoying City Cyclops. (http://citycyclops.com/index.php)

[AnnoyedGrunt]

I believe Erik Larsen called those dots the Kirby Crackle and used them quite a bit in his work as well

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1132/1135/1600/fight0020-b.jpg

Not the best pic but the only one I could find.

[EliSnow]

These any good?

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8242/jkgalactuszd4.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4553/jkdoomsurferyn3.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/988/jkdarkseidvc5.jpg

All three are great examples. I've seen the Darkseid one for awhile, but that one may be tricky making a 300 x 100 sig of.

Thanks.

[Aqualad]

The Doom/Surfer picture is the greatest thing ever.

[TheMojoPin]

Where's Lim been lately?

For awhile he was doing work for Archie Comics(!), though lately he's been back at Marvel, working on DeFalco's godforsaken corner of that world.

Not colored, but he rocked the Kirby dots:

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/SS_34_cover.jpg

[EliSnow]

The Doom/Surfer picture is the greatest thing ever.

That's the one I'll be using

[EliSnow]

Here are my Kirby sigs:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3504/kirbydotssig1eq6.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7411/doomdotssigvt3dm7.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5176/demonetrigansigyy9zq2.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8264/bpsigxk4ki9.jpg

[MadMatt]

Anybody reading Justice Society of America?

What the hell have they done to Ma Hunkel?!?!?!? I absolutely HATE the way they are drawing her now - it just doesn't fit.

Eaglesham and Thibert have turned her into Misses Doubtfire or some other kind of British Nanny. No way was that lady a rough and tumble, self-made superhero.

I'm not against an artist having their own take on a character, but they need to at least be TRUE to the character. The new look they "created" for Ma Hunkel just doesn't cut it...

[EliSnow]

Anybody reading Justice Society of America?

What the hell have they done to Ma Hunkel?!?!?!? I absolutely HATE the way they are drawing her now - it just doesn't fit.

Eaglesham and Thibert have turned her into Misses Doubtfire or some other kind of British Nanny. No way was that lady a rough and tumble, self-made superhero.

I'm not against an artist having their own take on a character, but they need to at least be TRUE to the character. The new look they "created" for Ma Hunkel just doesn't cut it...

Um, her character is a grandmother, and is a very, very minor character to the series. In fact the only reason they are using her is as part of the storyline they have for her granddaughter.

[JustJon]

They've completely marginalized Ma Hunkle in favor of her granddaughter (as said above). She was a strong character in the previous series (there were a couple stories featuring Ma), but now she's just a house mother.

I just read the latest hardcover a week or two ago, and she's really only in one or two panels.

[MadMatt]

Um, her character is a grandmother, and is a very, very minor character to the series. In fact the only reason they are using her is as part of the storyline they have for her granddaughter.

They've completely marginalized Ma Hunkle in favor of her granddaughter (as said above). She was a strong character in the previous series (there were a couple stories featuring Ma), but now she's just a house mother.

I just read the latest hardcover a week or two ago, and she's really only in one or two panels.

Just because she is a "minor character" doesn't mean they have to completely screw up what was created in the previous series. And Ma Hunkel was a tie to the original Justice Society that was really helping to bridge the gap between "old school" and "new school."

It is really a minor issue, but it is something important when looking at the series quality as a whole.

IMO the new series is more slip-shod than the last; it just doesn't have the same "family feel" that JSA had. Of course I will give it a chance, but so far I am not all that impressed.

[EliSnow]

Just because she is a "minor character" doesn't mean they have to completely screw up what was created in the previous series. And Ma Hunkel was a tie to the original Justice Society that was really helping to bridge the gap between "old school" and "new school."

There are a number of ties to the old Justice Society, whether it's Green Lantern, Flash, or Wildcat.

It is really a minor issue, but it is something important when looking at the series quality as a whole.

She's so minor, I don't think it's important at all. It's almost like complaining about Boxley in the new Battlestar Galactica (he was in two scenes in one ep). The more important stuff is how the series has slipped in quality in other ways.

IMO the new series is more slip-shod than the last; it just doesn't have the same "family feel" that JSA had. Of course I will give it a chance, but so far I am not all that impressed.

The new series has tried to do too much in expanding the family of the Society. Too many new members who have ties to the previous generation, plus the Kingdom Come tie-in is taking forever to resolve.

I'm still a huge fan, but of all of Geoff Johns titles' this one is doing the worst in terms of quality.

[Gritty]

Anyone else pumped up about this book? Sounds like it will be really, really good.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=156891

[EliSnow]

Anyone else pumped up about this book? Sounds like it will be really, really good.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=156891

I've only read the first half of Annihilation Conquest, but I'm getting this book.

[MadMatt]

There are a number of ties to the old Justice Society, whether it's Green Lantern, Flash, or Wildcat.



She's so minor, I don't think it's important at all. It's almost like complaining about Boxley in the new Battlestar Galactica (he was in two scenes in one ep). The more important stuff is how the series has slipped in quality in other ways.



The new series has tried to do too much in expanding the family of the Society. Too many new members who have ties to the previous generation, plus the Kingdom Come tie-in is taking forever to resolve.

I'm still a huge fan, but of all of Geoff Johns titles' this one is doing the worst in terms of quality.

Why are my opinions less valid than those of other people? I said I don't like what they are doing and you jump down my throat that she is a minor character.

Who cares?!?!?!?! If you don't think it's a big deal, just say "IMO, it's no big deal."

It's something I don't like about the book that ties in with other things I don't like - for me it "exemplifies" what is going wrong. How am I freakin' wrong about my opinion?

Damn it - no wonder I barely post here anymore...

[TheMojoPin]

Just because someone's opinion is contrary to yours doesn't mean anyone "jumped down your throat." What was so antagonistic about his reply?

[EliSnow]

Why are my opinions less valid than those of other people? I said I don't like what they are doing and you jump down my throat that she is a minor character.

Who cares?!?!?!?! If you don't think it's a big deal, just say "IMO, it's no big deal."

It's something I don't like about the book that ties in with other things I don't like - for me it "exemplifies" what is going wrong. How am I freakin' wrong about my opinion?

Damn it - no wonder I barely post here anymore...

Dude, I disagreed with your points your position; that's all. I was saying that in my opinion, it's not big deal, I just didn't use those express words, especially since it was rather obvious I was talking about my opinion. And your points are any less valid than any other opinions, but when I disagree with an opinion, I'm going to say why.

And I was not jumping down your throat. If I did that, I'd call you names or something. And I did agree with your point that this series wasn't as good as the last.

[EliSnow]

Just because someone's opinion is contrary to yours doesn't mean anyone "jumped down your throat." What was so antagonistic about his reply?

Thank god. I thought that I hadn't crossed any line.

[JustJon]

I thought the first HC of the new JSA was good, but I agree that the second sorta slips and is more about the expanding of the team, but I prefer smaller, tight teams in general. I do like what he did with Starman, though.

[EliSnow]

I thought the first HC of the new JSA was good, but I agree that the second sorta slips and is more about the expanding of the team, but I prefer smaller, tight teams in general. I do like what he did with Starman, though.

I'm not certain who came up with this "rule" for team superhero books, but I've heard that the most team members any team should have is 7 "active" members at any time. Any more than that, and it gets too unwieldy.

I think it may have been an Avengers writer..

[Aqualad]

I dropped Justice Society once it became clear that the team was never going to DO anything. There's a lot of standing around and admiring Kingdom Come Superman, there's a lot of recruiting new members and talking about legacies, but there's not a lot of action.

[Aqualad]

I'm not certain who came up with this "rule" for team superhero books, but I've heard that the most team members any team should have is 7 "active" members at any time. Any more than that, and it gets too unwieldy.

I think it may have been an Avengers writer..


Your sigs are sweet. The Surfer is my favorite.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

I'm not certain who came up with this "rule" for team superhero books, but I've heard that the most team members any team should have is 7 "active" members at any time. Any more than that, and it gets too unwieldy.

I think it may have been an Avengers writer..

An addition to that rule would be that every team needs a strong guy, a woman and a character who already has his or her own solo title.

If it's the early 90's you're also going to need a Wolverine knock off.

[EliSnow]

Your sigs are sweet. The Surfer is my favorite.

Thanks. I think they are pretty great as well.

[JustJon]

An addition to that rule would be that every team needs a strong guy, a woman and a character who already has his or her own solo title.

If it's the early 90's you're also going to need a Wolverine knock off.

Read Mighty Avengers #1. When Stark forms the team, Bendis spells it out.

[Gritty]

This looks incredible. Going to have to make a trip to Sheepy's CBC and pick it up.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=156987

All of a sudden I'm pumped about a lot of books coming out of DC.

[Gritty]

This looks incredible. Going to have to make a trip to Sheepy's CBC and pick it up.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=156987

All of a sudden I'm pumped about a lot of books coming out of DC and a couple from Marvel!

[TheMojoPin]

Grant Morrison is teh sex.

Easily my favorite comic book writer.

[weekapaugjz]

i just picked up the last few issues of batman for the "resurrection of ra's al ghul". gonna start reading them now that i finally have some free time. anyone else reading these?


Looking forward to the trade.

it just came out last week (http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Resurrection-Ras-Al-Ghul/dp/1401217850/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211916968&sr=8-1)

i really liked it. its definitely worth the read.

im looking forward to RIP, i think part 2 comes out this week.

[JustJon]

it just came out last week (http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Resurrection-Ras-Al-Ghul/dp/1401217850/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211916968&sr=8-1)

i really liked it. its definitely worth the read.

im looking forward to RIP, i think part 2 comes out this week.

I read it 2 weeks ago :wink: The Dini and Morrison parts were really good, the Nightwing parts were good, and the Peter Milligan Robin's deficiencies really showed when put up against the others in this book.

[EliSnow]

Grant Morrison is teh sex.

Easily my favorite comic book writer.

I'm re-reading his run on JLA. Just started last night.

[Knowledged_one]

http://www.jeffpidgeon.com/uploaded_images/galactus-736635.jpg

Picture of Galactus from the new FF movie

[EliSnow]

http://www.jeffpidgeon.com/uploaded_images/galactus-736635.jpg

Picture of Galactus from the new FF movie

Nope, according to the site hosting that picture (http://www.jeffpidgeon.com/2007_04_01_archive.html), it's a screengrab for a new Ultimate Alliance videogame:

This is a screengrab of an advertisement for a videogame called Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Villains. If web rumors are to believed, Galactus will appear as cloud effects in the upcoming Fantasic Four sequel. If I needed another good reason not to show up, that's it.

Here's an image from the first Ultimate Alliance videogame:

http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/06/18/galactus_head.jpg

[Knowledged_one]

Thanks Eli

Maybe they can get teh star of Steel Shaquille O'Neal to play Galactus

What do you think of that idea

[MadMatt]

Thanks Eli

Maybe they can get teh star of Steel Shaquille O'Neal to play Galactus

What do you think of that idea

I think several of us may smack you for that comment. :dry:

[EliSnow]

Thanks Eli

Maybe they can get teh star of Steel Shaquille O'Neal to play Galactus

What do you think of that idea


That would be almost as big of mistake as saying that the pic above was for a new FF movie.

[Knowledged_one]

I think several of us may smack you for that comment. :dry:

I know i was just joking with Eli because he refuses to remember that Shaq played Steel in a failed DC movie

[MadMatt]

I know i was just joking with Eli because he refuses to remember that Shaq played Steel in a failed DC movie

I know. I think we all strive for that. :tongue:

[weekapaugjz]

okay, i have a question (probably a stupid one). what is vibranium? ive come across it in a few different titles. all i know is that it is an element that can absorb vibrations or something like that. seems like all the baddies are trying to get a hold of it for weapons. what type of weapons are these? what's the big deal about this vibranium?

[EliSnow]

okay, i have a question (probably a stupid one). what is vibranium? ive come across it in a few different titles. all i know is that it is an element that can absorb vibrations or something like that. seems like all the baddies are trying to get a hold of it for weapons. what type of weapons are these? what's the big deal about this vibranium?

From Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Glossary:V):

A precious extraterrestrial metal found only in meteor deposits in the African nation of Wakanda and in the Antarctic jungle of the Savage Land. Captain America's shield is made of vibranium, American Steel, and adamantium. The variation of vibranium found in the Antarctic has been dubbed Anti-Metal. Whereas vibranium absorbs all vibratory energy (i.e., sound) in its area, as well as kinetic energy directed at it, Anti-Metal produces, rather than absorbs these vibrations.

Think about how the weapon works with Cap America's shield. If the vibranium absorbs kinetic energy, then any bullets etc. would not only be stopped by the shield, but also the shield would absorb the kinetic energy itself. Compare that to a bulletproof vest. If you shoot someone with a bulletproof vest in the chest, the bullet won't penetrate the vest into the chest, but the wearer will still feel the kinetic impact of the bullet, which could knock him off of his feet, render him unconscious etc. With a vibranium vest, that wouldn't happen.

The same thing would be very useful in vibranium knives, swords, etc.

[weekapaugjz]

thanks eli! i know i can always come to this thread for my dumb questions.

[MadMatt]

From Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Glossary:V):



Think about how the weapon works with Cap America's shield. If the vibranium absorbs kinetic energy, then any bullets etc. would not only be stopped by the shield, but also the shield would absorb the kinetic energy itself. Compare that to a bulletproof vest. If you shoot someone with a bulletproof vest in the chest, the bullet won't penetrate the vest into the chest, but the wearer will still feel the kinetic impact of the bullet, which could knock him off of his feet, render him unconscious etc. With a vibranium vest, that wouldn't happen.

The same thing would be very useful in vibranium knives, swords, etc.

The Vibranium component of Cap's shield has always bugged me a little - mainly because it hasn't been used consistently. Examples:


I remember an issue where Cap had to jump out of a plane without a parachute (I think it was a plane, but maybe a very high building). He was able to land on his shield and roll out of the impact with no injury because the Vibranium in his shield absorbed all of the kinetic energy of his fall.

Cap frequently throws his shield, bouncing it off of various walls, rocks, etc. to "attack" villains - think about a bank shot in pool. However, shouldn't the Vibranium in his shield absorb the kinetic energy of the first impact making the drop to the ground without ricocheting?

Maybe I am just thinking about this too much, but how can both attributes be possible with the same shield?

Seriously - any ideas on how this works would help. [And I have already thought of the "easy" ones]

[MadMatt]

OK - to illustrate my point, here is a completely contradictory passage from the Wikipedia entry on Captain America's Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America%27s_shield):

The vibranium in the shield is what absorbs virtually all of the kinetic impact from any blows that the shield receives, allowing it to withstand incredible amounts of force without injuring Rogers in the process. The vibranium is also a factor in the way Rogers throws his shield: he often uses it to ricochet around a room and strike various opponents with little loss of velocity in its forward movement after each impact.

How can it both absorb kinetic energy and allow the shield to ricochet with little loss of velocity? It doesn't follow logically...

[EliSnow]

OK - to illustrate my point, here is a completely contradictory passage from the Wikipedia entry on Captain America's Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America%27s_shield):

The vibranium in the shield is what absorbs virtually all of the kinetic impact from any blows that the shield receives, allowing it to withstand incredible amounts of force without injuring Rogers in the process. The vibranium is also a factor in the way Rogers throws his shield: he often uses it to ricochet around a room and strike various opponents with little loss of velocity in its forward movement after each impact.

How can it both absorb kinetic energy and allow the shield to ricochet with little loss of velocity? It doesn't follow logically...

It absorbs the kinetic energy of the impact of the ricochet so that such energy doesn't interfere with energy used to throw the shield. If it didn't, each ricochet would slow down the shield more and more, the way friction slows down any object in motion. So it absorbs kinetic energy that strikes the shield, but you can throw the shield, and the shield won't absorb the kinetic energy that throws the shield.

does it make sense in real world science, probably not. But I could win a No-Prize with that explanation.

[Gritty]

Anyone checking out this series from Marvel? First issue was out last week and in general, I like the premise and am going to give it a few more issues despite some confusing art in places.

[MadMatt]

It absorbs the kinetic energy of the impact of the ricochet so that such energy doesn't interfere with energy used to throw the shield. If it didn't, each ricochet would slow down the shield more and more, the way friction slows down any object in motion. So it absorbs kinetic energy that strikes the shield, but you can throw the shield, and the shield won't absorb the kinetic energy that throws the shield.

does it make sense in real world science, probably not. But I could win a No-Prize with that explanation.

:lol:

Well done - that is actually somewhat plausible. The Vibranium absorbs any external vibration/kinetic energy that it encounters, placing the material outside the effects that kinetic energy would place on a normal material.

I kept getting stuck on the fact that the vibranium couldn't ricochet because all of the impact energy would be absorbed. Your explanation puts the vibranium itself outside the effects that it "counters."

Thanks - I needed a different perspective

[Foster]

:lol:

Well done - that is actually somewhat plausible. The Vibranium absorbs any external vibration/kinetic energy that it encounters, placing the material outside the effects that kinetic energy would place on a normal material.

I kept getting stuck on the fact that the vibranium couldn't ricochet because all of the impact energy would be absorbed. Your explanation puts the vibranium itself outside the effects that it "counters."

Thanks - I needed a different perspective

Won't that explanation mean when Captain American uses the shield to absorb the impact of his fall, he and the shield would bounce off the ground like a "super-ball"?:wallbash:

[MadMatt]

Won't that explanation mean when Captain American uses the shield to absorb the impact of his fall, he and the shield would bounce off the ground like a "super-ball"?:wallbash:

That's what I mean about consistency - the shield has different characteristics depending on the situation.

But Eli's explanation for the ricochet was still good.

[Foster]

That's what I mean about consistency - the shield has different characteristics depending on the situation.

But Eli's explanation for the ricochet was still good.

I know this explanation is weak but what if the front of the shield (around the star) has a high concentration of Vibranium to absorb impacts and the edges has a very low concentration of Vibranium so it can ricochet?

or maybe its just plain magic

[Knowledged_one]

isnt their two different types of vibranium

regular and Wakandan vibranium?

I believe Klaw's sonic amplifier is made of vibranium and he is desparate to gain some wakandan vibranium?

[Gmann]

I know this explanation is weak but what if the front of the shield (around the star) has a high concentration of Vibranium to absorb impacts and the edges has a very low concentration of Vibranium so it can ricochet?

or maybe its just plain magic


Ahhh....the Joe Quesada defence

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Perhaps the shield itself is made of vibranium but the edges are coated with unstable molecules, allowing it to bounce.

[EliSnow]

Perhaps the shield itself is made of vibranium but the edges are coated with unstable molecules, allowing it to bounce.

There are no unstable molecules in the shield. First, because they have never mentioned it, in the numerous times they have discussed what the shield is made of, and second, the shield was made before WWII. Reed Richards didn't discover unstable molecules until after that (how long after that depends upon Marvel's current stance of how old Reed is).

[EliSnow]

isnt their two different types of vibranium

regular and Wakandan vibranium?

I believe Klaw's sonic amplifier is made of vibranium and he is desparate to gain some wakandan vibranium?

From what I posted above from Marvel.com, it appears the two types of vibranium are Wakandan (regular) vibranium and Savage Land (anti-metal) vibranium.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

There are no unstable molecules in the shield. First, because they have never mentioned it, in the numerous times they have discussed what the shield is made of, and second, the shield was made before WWII. Reed Richards didn't discover unstable molecules until after that (how long after that depends upon Marvel's current stance of how old Reed is).

I was kidding about the unstable molecules as Marvel seems to use that as their explanation for quite a few of their unanswerable science questions.

However, if Cap is using ~65 year old technology he's lucky that he only got killed off recently. Jesus Steve, upgrade! You don't see Nick Fury walking around with grease gun from World War II, do ya?

[EliSnow]

I was kidding about the unstable molecules as Marvel seems to use that as their explanation for quite a few of their unanswerable science questions.

However, if Cap is using ~65 year old technology he's lucky that he only got killed off recently. Jesus Steve, upgrade! You don't see Nick Fury walking around with grease gun from World War II, do ya?

From time to time, when the shield was lost, in someone else's hands, or in one instance when it was destroyed, Cap has used an "energy" shield.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9823/60234013cn0.jpg

[Aqualad]

From time to time, when the shield was lost, in someone else's hands, or in one instance when it was destroyed, Cap has used an "energy" shield.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9823/60234013cn0.jpg




OHhhhh yeah. He used that back in like 1998, 1999 in the Cap and Avengers books. He lost his real shield in the ocean, then used his pointy WW2 shield for a bit, then Stark gave him the energy shield. Namor eventually found the real shield and gave it back to Cap. Good times.

[weslank]

I used to read comics---then I grew up

[weekapaugjz]

I used to read comics---then I grew up

thanks for that riveting commentary.

[Coach]

Ok, I used to love a pair of comics...
one was DP7 and the Other I forgot ..but it was way in the future..a team of heroes led by a guy who found and weilded Cap's old shield (Snapper Carr?), and found a planet of mutants found by Wolverine and ruled (in a Medici fashion) by a descendant of wolverine.
What ever happened to them?

[EliSnow]

Ok, I used to love a pair of comics...
one was DP7 and the Other I forgot ..but it was way in the future..a team of heroes led by a guy who found and weilded Cap's old shield (Snapper Carr?), and found a planet of mutants found by Wolverine and ruled (in a Medici fashion) by a descendant of wolverine.
What ever happened to them?

You're thinking about Guardians of the Galaxy. Snapper Carr's a DC sidekick. The guy you are thinking about is Vance Astrovik, Justice in the current Marvel continuity. Series was set in the far future (sort of Marvel's Legion of Suoerheroes, somewhat). Series was cancelled. There is a new series set in current continuity, but with different heroes (Drax, new Quasar, Starlord and others).

[Coach]

You're thinking about Guardians of the Galaxy. Snapper Carr's a DC sidekick. The guy you are thinking about is Vance Astrovik, Justice in the current Marvel continuity. Series was set in the far future (sort of Marvel's Legion of Suoerheroes, somewhat). Series was cancelled. There is a new series set in current continuity, but with different heroes (Drax, new Quasar, Starlord and others).Thanks, I'll have to look it up.
Snapper Carr...didn't he become something else.. Waverider or something?

[EliSnow]

N/M

[EliSnow]

Thanks, I'll have to look it up.
Snapper Carr...didn't he become something else.. Waverider or something?

He didn't become Waverider. Not sure if he became something else.

[Chigworthy]

From time to time, when the shield was lost, in someone else's hands, or in one instance when it was destroyed, Cap has used an "energy" shield.


Why wouldn't he just use the energy shield forever?

[Coach]

Why wouldn't he just use the energy shield forever?
I thought he couldn't throw it..or at least as far.

[Coach]

He didn't become Waverider. Not sure if he became something else.

I was thinking of the Blasters comic

[EliSnow]

I thought he couldn't throw it..or at least as far.

There were limitations,but I can't remember exactly what they were.

[EliSnow]

I was thinking of the Blasters comic

Who came first? Rick Jones or Snapper Carr?

When I started reading comics, I got to know Rick Jones, and was exposed to Carr later and thought he was a rick jones ripoff. But I don't know for certain.

[Gritty]

Who came first? Rick Jones or Snapper Carr?

When I started reading comics, I got to know Rick Jones, and was exposed to Carr later and thought he was a rick jones ripoff. But I don't know for certain.

Snapper was in the first JLA story, 'Brave & Bold' February 1960. Rick was in the first Hulk story, 'Incredible Hulk' May 1962.

Advantage Carr.

But Rick's been a better character and in more interesting stories than Snapper ever was. Other then betraying the JLA to the Joker and appearing in the last Hourman series, I can't think of a really good Snapper Carr story.

[Aqualad]

Snapper was in the first JLA story, 'Brave & Bold' February 1960. Rick was in the first Hulk story, 'Incredible Hulk' May 1962.

Advantage Carr.

But Rick's been a better character and in more interesting stories than Snapper ever was. Other then betraying the JLA to the Joker and appearing in the last Hourman series, I can't think of a really good Snapper Carr story.

There's an issue of Hourman that re-tells "Snapper Carr: Super Traitor" and it's fantastic.

[EliSnow]

Snapper was in the first JLA story, 'Brave & Bold' February 1960. Rick was in the first Hulk story, 'Incredible Hulk' May 1962.

Advantage Carr.

But Rick's been a better character and in more interesting stories than Snapper ever was. Other then betraying the JLA to the Joker and appearing in the last Hourman series, I can't think of a really good Snapper Carr story.

There's an issue of Hourman that re-tells "Snapper Carr: Super Traitor" and it's fantastic.


Hourman was the first time I ever read anything with Snapper Carr. I think the way he was written in that book reminded me of how Rick Jones had been written in Captain Marvel.

[Gmann]

I walked into a comic book store the other day just to look around, and I just felt massively overwhelmed to just buy stacks of books off the racks.

I barely got out of there with my wallet intact.

[JustJon]

I picked up the latest Ultimate X-Men hardcover last week, and really the book is mired in mediocraty, but I liked the idea of...

Cable is the future version of Wolverine.

And while the Ultimate X-Men book tries to be too close to the regular X-Men, I really liked this idea.




My other pickup last week was even better. Anyone else read The Question: Books of Blood? I absolutely loved Renee Montoya as the new Question.

[Gritty]

I just picked up the first three issues (it's a 12 issue mini-series and they're up to like 6 or 7). Wow! Good stuff so far. 12 minor league Golden Age characters from end of WWII find themselves put into suspended animation and wake up in our time.

J. M. Straczynski does his usual excellent writing job and Chris Weston does a nice job on pencils. What a unique collection of faces he creates (very few 'pretty boy' heroes on display) and he has an overall look that calls back the comics of the times. I'm not familiar with any of his other work but I do like what I see here. Not the typical super-hero look at all.

[Sinestro]

I just picked up the first three issues (it's a 12 issue mini-series and they're up to like 6 or 7). Wow! Good stuff so far. 12 minor league Golden Age characters from end of WWII find themselves put into suspended animation and wake up in our time.

J. M. Straczynski does his usual excellent writing job and Chris Weston does a nice job on pencils. What a unique collection of faces he creates (very few 'pretty boy' heroes on display) and he has an overall look that calls back the comics of the times. I'm not familiar with any of his other work but I do like what I see here. Not the typical super-hero look at all.



Who are the 12???

Liberty Belle, Alan Scott (Green Lantern), the Guardian, Steele, the Tarantula, Starman, Firebrand, Johnny Storm, Phantom Girl, Amazing Man, Robotman, the dude with the gas mask and guns (forgot his name), Johnnie Quick, anyone from the Seven Soldiers of Victory?

[booster11373]

Who are the 12???

Liberty Belle, Alan Scott (Green Lantern), the Guardian, Steele, the Tarantula, Starman, Firebrand, Johnny Storm, Phantom Girl, Amazing Man, Robotman, the dude with the gas mask and guns (forgot his name), Johnnie Quick, anyone from the Seven Soldiers of Victory?




unless you were alive in the 40 's it will be people you never heard of

[Sinestro]

unless you were alive in the 40 's it will be people you never heard of


Who who???

Dollman, Dollgirl, Phantom Stranger, TNT, the Lone Ranger, Zorro, Incredible Woman, Strong Guy, Cowboy man???

[booster11373]

Who who???

Dollman, Dollgirl, Phantom Stranger, TNT, the Lone Ranger, Zorro, Incredible Woman, Strong Guy, Cowboy man???

really crappy Z tier characters "The Deat Defying Devil" is one (I think)

They are all Marvel by the way

[Sinestro]

really crappy Z tier characters "The Deat Defying Devil" is one (I think)

They are all Marvel by the way


Oh....when you said Golden Age I was thinking of DC comics as they had a Golden Age storyline with their Golden/Silver Age characters from WWII.

[EliSnow]

The Twelve:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/TWELEVE001_cvr-06-tif.jpg

These are characters that were published by Timely Comics (later Marvel) in the '40's, but never caught on. They are:

The Blue Blade
The Black Widow (not the modern character of that name)
Captain Wonder
Dynamic Man
Electro
The Fiery Mask
The Laughing Mask
Master Mind Excello
Mister E
The Phantom Reporter
Rockman
The Witness

[Aqualad]

Anybody reading Teen Titans? The book is really good lately.

[EliSnow]

Anybody reading Teen Titans? The book is really good lately.

I liked it better when Geoff Johns was writing it.

I wish DC could clone Johns. I think that he, Rucka, and James Robinson are the best writers they have.

[TheMojoPin]

I liked it better when Geoff Johns was writing it.

I wish DC could clone Johns. I think that he, Rucka, and James Robinson are the best writers they have.

To hell with youse!

http://strangeink.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/90571pw400.jpg

[EliSnow]

To hell with youse!

http://strangeink.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/90571pw400.jpg

Grant, All-Star Superman is one of the best books DC is publishing right now, and it's one of the top five Superman stories EVER. And you're more inventive and original than many of the writers out there.

But between your ups and downs on Seven Soldiers and now Final Crisis, I can't list you with the others.

[JustJon]

Anyone reading Booster Gold? When I heard the series was coming, I thought it would be a throw away, but my comic guy recommended me the hard cover a few weeks ago when it came out, and it's fantastic. Can't wait to see where it's going.

[EliSnow]

Anyone reading Booster Gold? When I heard the series was coming, I thought it would be a throw away, but my comic guy recommended me the hard cover a few weeks ago when it came out, and it's fantastic. Can't wait to see where it's going.

Reading it and lovvving it!

[booster11373]

Reading it and lovvving it!

Booster Gold is awesome, a real DC comics fan comic

[Aqualad]

I liked it better when Geoff Johns was writing it.

I wish DC could clone Johns. I think that he, Rucka, and James Robinson are the best writers they have.

Not me. I love this group (Miss Martian, Kid Devil, Rose, Robin, Wonder Girl, and Blue Friggin Beetle) and McKeever's really knocked it out of the park lately. Although I hated that the latest storyline ends in another unnecessary miniseries.

[Aqualad]

Booster Gold is awesome, a real DC comics fan comic

Yeah it is. If you didn't love the JLI reunion then you should hand in your DC Fanboy Card.

[weekapaugjz]

im about to head to the local shop and need a recommendation.

ive hade my eye on the first all star superman tpb for the last few weeks stopping in there. i noticed that the all star batman and robin tpb came out yesterday? any thoughts about which one to pick up?

[Aqualad]

im about to head to the local shop and need a recommendation.

ive hade my eye on the first all star superman tpb for the last few weeks stopping in there. i noticed that the all star batman and robin tpb came out yesterday? any thoughts about which one to pick up?

Superman, definitely. All-star Batman is fun, but is severely over-the-top and ridiculous, almost to the point of parody. A lotta people can't stand All-star Batman. All-Star Superman though is an across-the-board critical success.

[EliSnow]

Superman, definitely. All-star Batman is fun, but is severely over-the-top and ridiculous, almost to the point of parody. A lotta people can't stand All-star Batman. All-Star Superman though is an across-the-board critical success.

Agreed. All Star Superman is one of the best Superman stories I have read.

[JustJon]

All Star Superman TBP was great. Haven't read Batman yet (only took a couple years for them to get to 6 issues and trade it up...)

[EliSnow]

I just read an article (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080628-Turner.html) that artist and Fathom creater Michael Turner passed away after an 8 year battle with cancer.

I never read Fathom, but have liked his work on Superman/Batman, Superman and some other titles. I am sorry to hear of his passing.

[Gritty]

I just read an article (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080628-Turner.html) that artist and Fathom creator Michael Turner passed away after an 8 year battle with cancer.

I never read Fathom, but have liked his work on Superman/Batman, Superman and some other titles. I am sorry to hear of his passing.



What a shame. Condolences to his family.

I only saw bits and pieces of his work, mostly covers and spot illustrations. Always wondered why people made such a big deal about him. He drew beautiful women but they all looked the same.

[MadMatt]

I just read an article (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080628-Turner.html) that artist and Fathom creater Michael Turner passed away after an 8 year battle with cancer.

I never read Fathom, but have liked his work on Superman/Batman, Superman and some other titles. I am sorry to hear of his passing.



Damn it. He was a really good guy and a tremendously talented artist.

The owner of the comic shop I ran was a friend of Michael's. I was lucky enough to talk to him a few times and he was always very interesting, patient, and kind.

My deepest sympathies to his family.

[djjd]

just finished jeff smith's take on captain marvel

http://www.marvelfamily.com/images/misc/SHAZAMTMSOEHC/SHAZAMTMSOEHC001.jpg

i always hated the childish nature of captain marvel and was glad to see the darker overtones of this character in the last few years (kingdom come and the new crisis series), but this is a nice take on the character, shazam! the monster society of evil, written and illustrated by jeff smith (creator of bone) is a more traditional take on the character, which updates and re-imagines captain marvel's origin.

[IMSlacker]

I just got an email from Amazon. Volume 10 of Y: The Last Man is finally on it's way. Huzzah!

[MadMatt]

I just got an email from Amazon. Volume 10 of Y: The Last Man is finally on it's way. Huzzah!

Enjoy. It is a hell of a series.

[weekapaugjz]

Superman, definitely. All-star Batman is fun, but is severely over-the-top and ridiculous, almost to the point of parody. A lotta people can't stand All-star Batman. All-Star Superman though is an across-the-board critical success.

Agreed. All Star Superman is one of the best Superman stories I have read.

All Star Superman TBP was great. Haven't read Batman yet (only took a couple years for them to get to 6 issues and trade it up...)

thanks for the recommedation. i read it a few days ago and really enjoyed it. its the first superman book i have read as him as the main character. one question though, what's the deal with jimmy olson's technicolor dreamcoat?

[Foster]

I have recently began reading comics again after about 15 years.
I have read so far "Infinite Crisis"; "52"and just started "Count Down to Final Crisis".
From reading these books I have seen a lot of the younger characters have grown up (Robin; Jason Todd..etc), but Jimmy Olsen is still acting like a guy in his late teens.
I really hate this character, especially the whole "lets give Jimmy powers bit" in Count Down. Please tell he dies in this series.

[TheMojoPin]

I read the first Countdown... trade and then returned it out of disgust. Fucking AWFUL.

[Foster]

I read the first Countdown... trade and then returned it out of disgust. Fucking AWFUL.

we can return those?

[cougarjake13]

so have they revealed who the red hulk is yet ???

[Aqualad]

Dude, just abandon Countdown. It doesn't get any better, and does not even properly lead into the FUCKING THING IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COUNTING DOWN TO. Just cut your losses and pick up Final Crisis 1 and 2.

[EliSnow]

so have they revealed who the red hulk is yet ???

No. Not yet.

[JustJon]

I just read an article (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080628-Turner.html) that artist and Fathom creater Michael Turner passed away after an 8 year battle with cancer.

I never read Fathom, but have liked his work on Superman/Batman, Superman and some other titles. I am sorry to hear of his passing.



I wasn't much of a fan of his work, but it's unfortunate.

just finished jeff smith's take on captain marvel

i always hated the childish nature of captain marvel and was glad to see the darker overtones of this character in the last few years (kingdom come and the new crisis series), but this is a nice take on the character, shazam! the monster society of evil, written and illustrated by jeff smith (creator of bone) is a more traditional take on the character, which updates and re-imagines captain marvel's origin.

I liked that book. It was a fun read.

I just got an email from Amazon. Volume 10 of Y: The Last Man is finally on it's way. Huzzah!

My store fucked up the order and the kid working the day I went in to pick it up forgot to tell the manager that he needed to reorder until it was too late to get it in the next week's order, so I'll be picking it up this week. Of course, the kid who screwed up isn't allowed to pick up a copy himself until the reorders come in.

[TheMojoPin]

I really wat that last Y trade, but I'm assuming DC is gonna re-release the entire run in HC like they've been doing with everything else lately.

[Mike Kingston]

I just read the latest issue of Ultimates Vol. 3 (issue 4) and this is perhaps the most poorly written thing I have ever seen. I can barely follow the story and I'm definitely not alone. Anyone else reading this?

[TheMojoPin]

I just read the latest issue of Ultimates Vol. 3 (issue 4) and this is perhaps the most poorly written thing I have ever seen. I can barely follow the story and I'm definitely not alone. Anyone else reading this?

I gave up after reading the first couple issues after a friend bought them. I've never been a big fan of Loeb when he's not doing his "retro"-styled series, and Maduria's art style is all wrong for the title.

[MisterSmith]

I just read the latest issue of Ultimates Vol. 3 (issue 4) and this is perhaps the most poorly written thing I have ever seen. I can barely follow the story and I'm definitely not alone. Anyone else reading this?

I gave up after reading the first couple issues after a friend bought them. I've never been a big fan of Loeb when he's not doing his "retro"-styled series, and Maduria's art style is all wrong for the title.

Ultimates 3 is a complete letdown after reading 1 & 2. The feel is utterly different, incoherent, and just doesn't have the gravitas the first two installments had.

Without Millar at the helm, the book has lost almost everything that made it great. Really disappointing.

[Aqualad]

I gave up after reading the first couple issues after a friend bought them. I've never been a big fan of Loeb when he's not doing his "retro"-styled series, and Maduria's art style is all wrong for the title.

Tim Sale is obviously the brains behind those retro books. Any time Loeb writes without him the results are unreadable.

[TheMojoPin]

Tim Sale is obviously the brains behind those retro books. Any time Loeb writes without him the results are unreadable.

They're finally doing one for Captain America later this year.

[ChimneyFish]

I haven't read comics in many years, but I recently ordered a couple graphic novels.

I just finished Batman: Year One. Pretty good.

I also bought Nightcrawler: The Devil Inside

Here's a list of the other books I'll be getting at some point"

Nightcrawler: The Winding Way(the sequel to the book I got)

Red Son

The Watchmen

The Dark Knight Returns

The Dark Knight Strikes Again

The Long Halloween

Arkham Asylum

V for Vendetta

The Killing Joke

The Sandman Volume 1(I'll start here and see if I like it)


Well, I'll check the rest of this thread, but I'm always up for recommendations.:smoke:

[booster11373]

I haven't read comics in many years, but I recently ordered a couple graphic novels.

I just finished Batman: Year One. Pretty good.

I also bought Nightcrawler: The Devil Inside

Here's a list of the other books I'll be getting at some point"

Nightcrawler: The Winding Way(the sequel to the book I got)

Red Son

The Watchmen

The Dark Knight Returns

The Dark Knight Strikes Again

The Long Halloween

Arkham Asylum

V for Vendetta

The Killing Joke

The Sandman Volume 1(I'll start here and see if I like it)


Well, I'll check the rest of this thread, but I'm always up for recommendations.:smoke:



Dont bother with Batman the Dark Knight Strikes again, its crap, get Watchmen tommorow

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Its merits have been debated quite a bit online but I think The Long Halloween is fairly over rated. Nice art though. I'd make that a lower priority. Same goes for Dark Knight Strikes Again, only without the part about the nice art.

While there is a lot to like about the first volume of Sandman you probably should be aware that it gets a lot better after that. There are some fairly awkward issues early on and you should know that it evolves in to far less of a horror series than you'd expect from the early volumes.

[Aqualad]

I

While there is a lot to like about the first volume of Sandman you probably should be aware that it gets a lot better after that. There are some fairly awkward issues early on and you should know that it evolves in to far less of a horror series than you'd expect from the early volumes.

Yeah. I'd almost recommend reading "Dream Country" before the first volume. The stories in that book are stand-alone issues that give you a better sense of what the series is really all about.

[TheMojoPin]

The general rule with Veritgo series should be "OK, read the first trade, but I swear to God, it gets SO amazing after that!"

Preacher and Y: The Last Man excepted.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

For anyone looking to get in to Vertigo I'd suggest picking up two trades called Vertigo: First Taste and Vertigo: First Offenses. it will run your $10 for the pair and you get to read the first issues of The Invisibles, Preacher, Fables, Lucifer, Sandman Mystery Theater (which is different from the Sandman everyone raves about but is also very good), The Losers, Swamp Thing, Transmetropolitan, Y: The Last Man, 100 Bullets, Books of Magik and Death: The High Cost of Living.

[ChimneyFish]

Thanks all, for the advice.

I'm probably still going to end up eventually getting "Strikes Again", but if it's really that abd, I'll just buy a cheap used copy of it.

As far as Sandman, as long as nothing is going to be spoiled for me, ten maybe I will read "Dream Country" first if that's a more accurate depiction of the current books.

And I was wondering about "The Last Man".
I was thinking of checking it out on the sole reason that he has been on the show a few times, but I wanted to see what the overall opinion was.
So far, it seems people have enjoyed it.

[EliSnow]

Thanks all, for the advice.

I'm probably still going to end up eventually getting "Strikes Again", but if it's really that abd, I'll just buy a cheap used copy of it.

As far as Sandman, as long as nothing is going to be spoiled for me, ten maybe I will read "Dream Country" first if that's a more accurate depiction of the current books.

And I was wondering about "The Last Man".
I was thinking of checking it out on the sole reason that he has been on the show a few times, but I wanted to see what the overall opinion was.
So far, it seems people have enjoyed it.

I would read Sandman in the proper order. Each piece serves a function in moving to the overall story and the end.

As for Y The Last Man, it's one of the best Vertigo titles ever, alongside Sandman and Preacher.

[booster11373]

I going to stump for another Vertigo book called "The Losers" by Andy Diggle and Jock really good action/spy/Military stuff I think its 4 trades in total

[ChimneyFish]

I would read Sandman in the proper order. Each piece serves a function in moving to the overall story and the end.

As for Y The Last Man, it's one of the best Vertigo titles ever, alongside Sandman and Preacher.

If that's the case, I'll probably start from the beginning, then. I'm a guy who stick with a storyline if intially captures my intrest.

Preacher is another one I've heard good things about.

[JustJon]

If that's the case, I'll probably start from the beginning, then. I'm a guy who stick with a storyline if intially captures my intrest.

Preacher is another one I've heard good things about.

Spend the extra coin and get the Absolute Editions of Sandman. Oversized hardcovers that just make the art look beautiful. Plus the coloring was corrected in the early issues.

[ChimneyFish]

Spend the extra coin and get the Absolute Editions of Sandman. Oversized hardcovers that just make the art look beautiful. Plus the coloring was corrected in the early issues.

I'm unemployed at the moment, so my spending is being kept to a minimum, but I will certainly check it out.

It's going to be awhile before I get Sandman, anyhow.
So, hopefully, I'll have a job by the time I'm going to buy it.
Then I'll certainly get the "Deluxe/Ultimate/Absolute/Divine" editions.

Next on my list is The Watchmen.(even though I basically know the whole story already)And since I've been "outside of society" and trying to catch up on movies also, I'll finally just buy "Shaun of the Dead", since I haven't been able to catch it On Demand.

[weekapaugjz]

chimneyfish, you should definitely check out the walking dead. its fucking amazing. its up to vol. 8 in trades, and 8 which just came out moved up to one of my favorites in my collection.

i would also recommend the new frontier if you are into dc books.

[EliSnow]

If that's the case, I'll probably start from the beginning, then. I'm a guy who stick with a storyline if intially captures my intrest.

Preacher is another one I've heard good things about.

Preacher, Y The Last Man and Sandman are all series that have multiple sub-arcs within one story and ended when the story was over. Unlike ongoing series, like the X-Men, Spider-man, these series really shouldn't be read by cherry picking certain collections or reading a later collection before an earlier one.

[ChimneyFish]

chimneyfish, you should definitely check out the walking dead. its fucking amazing. its up to vol. 8 in trades, and 8 which just came out moved up to one of my favorites in my collection.

i would also recommend the new frontier if you are into dc books.

That's another one I've heard good things about. I'm not exactly sure what you guys mean when you say "trade", though. I will eventually check that one out.

As for DC, the only thing they really have that I'm into is Batman. The Superman thing never really did it for me.(although I like 'Smallville, which is just downright strange:tongue:) And I was into Spiderman a little bit back in the day, but I don't know if I could get back into it now.
I was always more of a X-Men type guy.
Always loved Nightcrawler.




Preacher, Y The Last Man and Sandman are all series that have multiple sub-arcs within one story and ended when the story was over. Unlike ongoing series, like the X-Men, Spider-man, these series really shouldn't be read by cherry picking certain collections or reading a later collection before an earlier one.

Noted. So, I should just go ahead and go with Volume 1 then????

[EliSnow]

That's another one I've heard good things about. I'm not exactly sure what you guys mean when you say "trade", though. I will eventually check that one out.



Trade means trade paperback, which is a reprint of the original comics collecting together 6 or more issues.





Noted. So, I should just go ahead and go with Volume 1 then????

Yep.

[ChimneyFish]

Trade means trade paperback, which is a reprint of the original comics collecting together 6 or more issues.



That's what I figured it was going to mean, just wasn't sure. I would much rather have those than single comic books.



Yep.

Will do, then. Thanks.

[Tall_James]

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[MIKEYDAKEN]

The video got me wondering does anyone know if ultimate hulk vs. wolverine ever gonna finish I've been waiting for number 3 for 2 years now and I think its time to give up hope

[JustJon]

Next on my list is The Watchmen.(even though I basically know the whole story already)And since I've been "outside of society" and trying to catch up on movies also, I'll finally just buy "Shaun of the Dead", since I haven't been able to catch it On Demand.

After you love Shaun of the Dead, be aware Spaced (the tv show that spawned Shaun) is finally being released in America in 2 weeks.

Trade means trade paperback, which is a reprint of the original comics collecting together 6 or more issues.


Yeah, like my 4 issue Batman/Grendel TPB

[Aqualad]

Yep.

I would go to the shop and flip through Dream Country and Seasons of Mist. If what you see looks cool to you, then buy Volume 1 and start reading. Sandman is my favorite comic of all time, but I hate recommending it to people since Volume 1 is the weakest of the series.

The issue with Dr Destiny in the diner still scares the shit out of me, though...still the only comic ever to give me nightmares.

[EliSnow]

I would go to the shop and flip through Dream Country and Seasons of Mist. If what you see looks cool to you, then buy Volume 1 and start reading. Sandman is my favorite comic of all time, but I hate recommending it to people since Volume 1 is the weakest of the series.

The issue with Dr Destiny in the diner still scares the shit out of me, though...still the only comic ever to give me nightmares.


It may be the weakest, but there are a number of important story points in it that are important to later story arcs and ultimately, to the Morpheus' decisions in the final volumes.

[TheMojoPin]

It may be the weakest, but there are a number of important story points in it that are important to later story arcs and ultimately, to the Morpheus' decisions in the final volumes.

It's the same thing when I reccomend Hellblazer, Fables and Lucifer to people.

"Yeah, I know the first trade is pretty meh. Stick with it! It gets awesome real fast, I swear!"

[EliSnow]

After you love Shaun of the Dead, be aware Spaced (the tv show that spawned Shaun) is finally being released in America in 2 weeks.



Yeah, like my 4 issue Batman/Grendel TPB

Yes, when the story was originally less than 4 issues, the trade will only be those 4 issues.

But generally each trade is about 6 issues (unless it's for a limited series 12 issues or less like Kingdom Come).

[Aqualad]

It may be the weakest, but there are a number of important story points in it that are important to later story arcs and ultimately, to the Morpheus' decisions in the final volumes.

Well yeah. Nobody's suggesting he skip the first trade altogether. The art in those early issues is a major stumbling block for some people though, as is the guest-appearances from Constantine, Scott Free, and the Martian Manhunter. If you're not thoroughly steeped in late-80's DC, the first trade reads a little rough.

[JustJon]

Even DC put out the Doll's House trade long before they did the Preludes and Nocturnes trade (second story before the first, for those who don't know the trade titles)

[MisterSmith]

chimneyfish, you should definitely check out the walking dead. its fucking amazing. its up to vol. 8 in trades, and 8 which just came out moved up to one of my favorites in my collection.

i would also recommend the new frontier if you are into dc books.

The problem is, where the hell is "Walking Dead" going to go after issue 48?

Issues 49 & 50 are out

and if you haven't read them yet, there hasn't been a lot happening yet. Number 50 is a good story, but it is almost like they are starting over again (IMO). I guess it remains to be seen.

[ChimneyFish]

I would go to the shop and flip through Dream Country and Seasons of Mist. If what you see looks cool to you, then buy Volume 1 and start reading. Sandman is my favorite comic of all time, but I hate recommending it to people since Volume 1 is the weakest of the series.

The issue with Dr Destiny in the diner still scares the shit out of me, though...still the only comic ever to give me nightmares.

It may be the weakest, but there are a number of important story points in it that are important to later story arcs and ultimately, to the Morpheus' decisions in the final volumes.

I'll just start with Vol.1 and continue on. Not only do I value all of your opinions, I've heard nothing but good things about Sandman anyway.

[angrymissy]

Sandman is my #1 favorite comic of all time.

I just finished Book 8 of Walking Dead, holy shit.

[EliSnow]

Mattel releases "Black Canary" Barbie doll, and religious group express false outrage. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080718-BCBarbie.html)

http://i.newsarama.com/images/BCBarbie.jpg

Is it wrong for me to hope they release a Power Girl Barbie?

[Tall_James]

I have been reluctantly picking up the "1985" title by Marvel and for the most part have been underwhelmed. This weeks release of issue 3 didn't do itself any favors with depiction of the sheriff as an exact duplicate of Buford T. Justice from the "Smokey and the Bandit" movies.

However, this issue featured one of the most chilling scenes that I have seen in comics in a while.

Modok telepathically leading a column of people, including a mother holding a baby, to their drowning deaths in a lake while they all chant robotically "Hush little baby don't say a word, Mama's gonna buy you a mockingbird..."

That image just gave me the creeps.

[booster11373]

I have been reluctantly picking up the "1985" title by Marvel and for the most part have been underwhelmed. This weeks release of issue 3 didn't do itself any favors with depiction of the sheriff as an exact duplicate of Buford T. Justice from the "Smokey and the Bandit" movies.

However, this issue featured one of the most chilling scenes that I have seen in comics in a while.

Modok telepathically leading a column of people, including a mother holding a baby, to their drowning deaths in a lake while they all chant robotically "Hush little baby don't say a word, Mama's gonna buy you a mockingbird..."

That image just gave me the creeps.

Just the bad guys showed in the real world?

[Tall_James]

Just the bad guys showed in the real world?

So far.

[booster11373]

So far.

I dont like when bad guys win

[Captain Rooster]

X-Force better get cool quick or I am ending my subscription .. I only have one because some other X title was cancelled.

[Captain Rooster]

I need to buy a copy of "The Boys" ... because they seem like the shit ... I am thinking movie ()write that down).

[Tall_James]

I need to buy a copy of "The Boys" ... because they seem like the shit ... I am thinking movie ()write that down).

"The Boys" is one of those titles that I anxiously await each month.