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[chubbyknuckles]

Doesn't it just seem that when the x-men books get caught up in writers changes, and overload of different characters coming in and out, that's when they hit with an event to kind of re-organize the titles? I dont know i've never been a huge fan of any crossover, minus the old secret wars, which were just sooo good.

[TheMojoPin]

In hindsight, I really can't stand most of the 90's X-books. They really set the trend (birthed by Claremont himself right as he went to shit and never recovered) of starting numerous mysterious plotlines with no written or editorial conclusion drawn out and the purposeful idea to string them and us along as much as possible to stretch out story arcs. Barely anything had any kind of resolution and so much shit contridicted everything else on a monthly basis. I really just assume the X-Men and their various counterparts vanished sometime in the mid to late 80's and didn't re-emerge until Grant Morrison's New X-Men and Milligan/Allred's X-Force/X-Statix. Now they're dead to me again. Seeyuh in a decade or so, ladies and gents!

[Knowledged_one]

I dont know i thought they wrapped up the Muir island saga pretty well

I think the way that New Mutants ended and X-Force started was done pretty well, but when they start getting into clone things thats when i call it quits as it is to hard to understand who is what and what is who

But there were a lot of things that did get left hanging like the way Shatterstar just appeared conveniently when Cable was forming X-Force and same thing with Feral just way to conveneient to me

But the X books were better then what was happening in FF and Iron Man and Avengers at the time

I mean really whooo hydro base is destroyed

[TheMojoPin]

But the X books were better then what was happening in FF and Iron Man and Avengers at the time

I thought it all pretty much sucked, Marvel and DC (though I read almost everything like a junkie). By 1994 I was pretty much only really enjoying Vertigo and Vertigo-esque titles like a homo snob.

I really liked the Valiant titles the first couple of years they were around, and then a lot of the Dark Horse stuff. The 90's were a pretty barren time creatively for the Big Two. And I gave up on Image after their first year, though they've finally come around this century to become what they should have been at the bginning...distribution and creators' rights (unless you created something for MacFarlane) and exposure for new creators and their creations as opposed to just knockoffs of major DC and Marvel heroes written by overrated artists.

[cougarjake13]

anyone else pick up the new red hulk #1 ???


basically its a lil backstory and the revelation that this new red hulk is not bruce banner

[BalloonKnotB]

In hindsight, I really can't stand most of the 90's X-books. They really set the trend (birthed by Claremont himself right as he went to shit and never recovered) of starting numerous mysterious plotlines with no written or editorial conclusion drawn out and the purposeful idea to string them and us along as much as possible to stretch out story arcs. Barely anything had any kind of resolution and so much shit contridicted everything else on a monthly basis. I really just assume the X-Men and their various counterparts vanished sometime in the mid to late 80's and didn't re-emerge until Grant Morrison's New X-Men and Milligan/Allred's X-Force/X-Statix. Now they're dead to me again. Seeyuh in a decade or so, ladies and gents!

I don't know -- I only pick up Astonishing X-Men and it's been a great read. Maybe that's the trick: just by ONE X-Book and live in blissful ignorance of all the others. Might save you some frustration Mojo.

Hell, remember when there was only one book, The Uncanny X-Men? And what the f**k does "Uncanny" mean??

[TheMojoPin]

I tried Astonishing and was not terribly impressed, especially since it undid so much that Morrison had done.

[Sheeplovr]

I tried Astonishing and was not terribly impressed, especially since it undid so much that Morrison had done.

but i never read morrison so i love it

though i liek morrison stuff

whats he writing right now
am i reading any of it

im not sure
i loved the seven soliders thing
and hoped for it to be some kidna title by now

but what happend

[TheMojoPin]

He's one of the chief writers of the DC Universe now, along with Geoff Johns and Greg Rucka, when it comes to the giant events. He's been writing Batman, though it's just been OK. I don't know if All Star Superman is done, but it's been fantastic so far. He will be writing Final Crisis, and he's always said the Seven Soldiers play into this stuff pretty big, so expect to see them back for that. He's also doing the relaunches of WildCATS and The Authority, but there have been scheduling problems. Check out his New X-Men run, Sheepy. It's very cool and a bit of a head twister.

Whedon's X-men stuff has just felt like a total retread of Claremont's classic runs. I had really high hopes with Mike Carey ad Ed Brubaker taking on the other two major X-Men tiles, but even they have fallen kind of flat.

I've found my comic reading is much less stressful and more enjoyable so long as I pretend the X-Universe just doesn't exist.

[EliSnow]

I tried Astonishing and was not terribly impressed, especially since it undid so much that Morrison had done.

I think the only thing Astonishing undid of Morrison's was the uniforms.

The other X-Men books (and Marvel as a whole) undid almost everything else.

[TheMojoPin]

I think the only thing Astonishing undid of Morrison's was the uniforms.

The other X-Men books (and Marvel as a whole) undid almost everything else.

True. Bringing back Colossus was super lame, though that has nothing to do with aything Morrison did. They shoulda kept around someone cool like Fantomex instead.

[EliSnow]

True. Bringing back Colossus was super lame, though that has nothing to do with aything Morrison did. They shoulda kept around someone cool like Fantomex instead.

I disagree. I thought Colossus' death was super lame, and that his resurrection was great. While I generally dislike resurrections of dead characters in comics (because it's done so often), I'll accept it if the way the character comes back is part of a good story. I think they had that with Colossus and with Bucky. I really, really liked the scene where Kitty discovered that Colossus was alive.

And I was impartial to Fantomex, although I did like homage to Diabolik (at least I think that was the inspiration for the character).

[TheMojoPin]

I disagree. I thought Colossus' death was super lame, and that his resurrection was great. While I generally dislike resurrections of dead characters in comics (because it's done so often), I'll accept it if the way the character comes back is part of a good story. I think they had that with Colossus and with Bucky. I really, really liked the scene where Kitty discovered that Colossus was alive.

And I was impartial to Fantomex, although I did like homage to Diabolik (at least I think that was the inspiration for the character).

He's actually a public domain character, Fantomas, re-worked by Morrison for the series. Diabolik himself was just a reworking of Fantomas.

I thought Colossus had one of the few major comic deaths in recent history was well done. At least he died for something "bigger" than just sacrificing himself to stop the villain of the week ad his big, scary machine. He died saving the rest of the mutants from the Legacy Virus, which is a whole helluva lot more useful than he had been alive.

I think most of Claremont's "foreign characters" always seemed pretty forced and one-note. Some of them were expanded beyond his initial "I still say random words in my home language to show I'm foreign" outline, like Banshee, but most of themm, to me, stayed horrible cliche and shallow...like motherfucking Gambit. Colossus' role as the superstrong Yakov Smirnov of the team ended up even more redundant once the Soviet Bloc fell...I thought making him sign up with Magneto was the only interesting thing they did with him, but even that didn't last. So they give him a noble send-off and all is well. BUT WAIT! Joss Whedon wants you to think he's Chris Claremont! Let's bring back the metal Commie! And do the fastball special! And make Kitty go ga-ga over him like she's 13 again even though she had supposedly grown up over the years and had ended up with much more interesting and less cliche men! Even the purple dragon will show up! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

I don't like that stuff for the same reason I hate the Spider-Man relaunch...lazy writing that hinges on nostalgia as opposed to trying for something that's even remotely new or different, that latter of which Morrison did.

[JustJon]

I dont know i thought they wrapped up the Muir island saga pretty well

I think the way that New Mutants ended and X-Force started was done pretty well, but when they start getting into clone things thats when i call it quits as it is to hard to understand who is what and what is who

But there were a lot of things that did get left hanging like the way Shatterstar just appeared conveniently when Cable was forming X-Force and same thing with Feral just way to conveneient to me


You mean unmasked Stryfe, reveal him to have Cable's face, and have no actual long term plans, just Liefeld wanted a shocking ending?

In hindsight, I really can't stand most of the 90's X-books. They really set the trend (birthed by Claremont himself right as he went to shit and never recovered) of starting numerous mysterious plotlines with no written or editorial conclusion drawn out and the purposeful idea to string them and us along as much as possible to stretch out story arcs. Barely anything had any kind of resolution and so much shit contridicted everything else on a monthly basis. I really just assume the X-Men and their various counterparts vanished sometime in the mid to late 80's and didn't re-emerge until Grant Morrison's New X-Men and Milligan/Allred's X-Force/X-Statix. Now they're dead to me again. Seeyuh in a decade or so, ladies and gents!

Even the Grant Morrison run fell apart at the end, but Morrison's writing has a tendency to do that as he starts ending one project and putting his energy into planning his next project.

[EliSnow]

He's actually a public domain character, Fantomas, re-worked by Morrison for the series. Diabolik himself was just a reworking of Fantomas.

I thought Colossus had one of the few major comic deaths in recent history was well done. At least he died for something "bigger" than just sacrificing himself to stop the villain of the week ad his big, scary machine. He died saving the rest of the mutants from the Legacy Virus, which is a whole helluva lot more useful than he had been alive.

I think most of Claremont's "foreign characters" always seemed pretty forced and one-note. Some of them were expanded beyond his initial "I still say random words in my home language to show I'm foreign" outline, like Banshee, but most of themm, to me, stayed horrible cliche and shallow...like motherfucking Gambit. Colossus' role as the superstrong Yakov Smirnov of the team ended up even more redundant once the Soviet Bloc fell...I thought making him sign up with Magneto was the only interesting thing they did with him, but even that didn't last. So they give him a noble send-off and all is well. BUT WAIT! Joss Whedon wants you to think he's Chris Claremont! Let's bring back the metal Commie! And do the fastball special! And make Kitty go ga-ga over him like she's 13 again even though she had supposedly grown up over the years and had ended up with much more interesting and less cliche men! Even the purple dragon will show up! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

For me, the Legacy Virus was worse than a villain of the week. That storyline went on and on and on, and was one of the reasons I stopped reading X-Men for a long while. I was reading when Peter died so having him die to wrap up a silly storyline was lame for me.

[chubbyknuckles]

I would just really like for a death to stick, just once and make it a definable act. I know it's "comics" but look, Cap's dead, leave it already. I know its all in the realm of science fiction and fantasy but i'm actually a little tired of building all the hype behind a characters death, then bringing him back with a foil embossed cover in 6-10 months, juts to sell copies. Send a person to another realm or universe or some shit, make it that a death really counts. I heard they were bringing back Blue beetle for shit's sake! I mean if death is so NOT a defineable period, then just have bruce wayne go back in time and save them, or bring them back, so that way the rich fuck can just be the dc male version of paris hilton.

Is anyone else with me, or am I just being the prick my mail man always tells me I am?

[TheMojoPin]

You mean unmasked Stryfe, reveal him to have Cable's face, and have no actual long term plans, just Liefeld wanted a shocking ending?



Even the Grant Morrison run fell apart at the end, but Morrison's writing has a tendency to do that as he starts ending one project and putting his energy into planning his next project.

Yeah, I hated the last arc of Morrison's run when it first cam out, but re-reading it in trade a year or so later it made a LOT more sense and I enjoyed it much more as the wrap-up to his run. I especially liked that so much of it felt so final, so making that my clean break point is pretty satisfying.

[TheMojoPin]

I would just really like for a death to stick, just once and make it a definable act. I know it's "comics" but look, Cap's dead, leave it already. I know its all in the realm of science fiction and fantasy but i'm actually a little tired of building all the hype behind a characters death, then bringing him back with a foil embossed cover in 6-10 months, juts to sell copies. Send a person to another realm or universe or some shit, make it that a death really counts. I heard they were bringing back Blue beetle for shit's sake! I mean if death is so NOT a defineable period, then just have bruce wayne go back in time and save them, or bring them back, so that way the rich fuck can just be the dc male version of paris hilton.

Is anyone else with me, or am I just being the prick my mail man always tells me I am?

Nah, I'm with ya. Are they really bringing back BB? There's a new version running around, but it's not Ted Kord.

I'm most disapointed with DC when it comes to not sticking to their deaths, manly becase such great characters came out of them. On the surface, killing the Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) and Green Arrow were just cheap sales ploys (though arguably ncessary, since all three were in the toilet sales-wise and on the verge of being cancelled), but they ended up creating great, lasting characters to replace them. Thankfully, Allen hasn't REALLY come back fulltime yet, but I was really let down that they bowed to fanboy rantings or even cheaper gimmicks to bring back Lantern and Arrow. The new versions of both are fantastic characters! Let them take over and show some balls!

[EliSnow]

Nah, I'm with ya. Are they really bringing back BB? There's a new version running around, but it's not Ted Kord.

I'm most disapointed with DC when it comes to not sticking to their deaths, manly becase such great characters came out of them. On the surface, killing the Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) and Green Arrow were just cheap sales ploys (though arguably ncessary, since all three were in the toilet sales-wise and on the verge of being cancelled), but they ended up creating great, lasting characters to replace them. Thankfully, Allen hasn't REALLY come back fulltime yet, but I was really let down that they bowed to fanboy rantings or even cheaper gimmicks to bring back Lantern and Arrow. The new versions of both are fantastic characters! Let them take over and show some balls!

With Green Arrow, they have to stick with the original now, due to recent events.

[TheMojoPin]

For me, the Legacy Virus was worse than a villain of the week. That storyline went on and on and on, and was one of the reasons I stopped reading X-Men for a long while. I was reading when Peter died so having him die to wrap up a silly storyline was lame for me.

Well, like I said, I thought pretty much all of the X-stories then were super lame...the Legacy Virus just struck me as the less lamer of them all. It played to strong social metaphorical overtones that made the X-Men unique in the first place. Yes, it basically ends up like curing AIDS with a punch, but I still thought it had more weight than any of the villains that decade, especially given the fate of Colossus' sister earlier, which was one of the few storylines I really was impressed with during that era. I wish that his actions' had been able to create something that could stop the virus from spreading...basically creat a vaccine...but not cure anyone who already had it.

[TheMojoPin]

With Green Arrow, they have to stick with the original now, due to recent events.

Aw, come on. They killed Connor?

[EliSnow]

Aw, come on. They killed Connor?

Yeah, I think so. In the last issue of Green Arrow and Black canary, Connor and Black Canary rescue Ollie from Granny Goodness and the Furies (disguised as Athena and Amazons). Granny Goodness vows retaliation, and a shot/beam of light strikes Connor on the escape boat. Last image is Ollie holding Connor, who has a bloodstain over his heart.

[EliSnow]

Well, like I said, I thought pretty much all of the X-stories then were super lame...the Legacy Virus just struck me as the less lamer of them all. It played to strong social metaphorical overtones that made the X-Men unique in the first place. Yes, it basically ends up like curing AIDS with a punch, but I still thought it had more weight than any of the villains that decade, especially given the fate of Colossus' sister earlier, which was one of the few storylines I really was impressed with during that era. I wish that his actions' had been able to create something that could stop the virus from spreading...basically creat a vaccine...but not cure anyone who already had it.

For me, the Legacy Virus originally had that resonance, but it went on too long.

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah, I think so. In the last issue of Green Arrow and Black canary, Connor and Black Canary rescue Ollie from Granny Goodness and the Furies (disguised as Athena and Amazons). Granny Goodness vows retaliation, and a shot/beam of light strikes Connor on the escape boat. Last image is Ollie holding Connor, who has a bloodstain over his heart.

Granny Goodness, see this is why i could never take DC seriously. The only series i ever liked was the original Batman and the Outsiders, when it became the outsiders with Looker i threw in the towel

Granny f'n Goodness how pathetic

[JustJon]

Nah, I'm with ya. Are they really bringing back BB? There's a new version running around, but it's not Ted Kord.

I'm most disapointed with DC when it comes to not sticking to their deaths, manly becase such great characters came out of them. On the surface, killing the Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) and Green Arrow were just cheap sales ploys (though arguably ncessary, since all three were in the toilet sales-wise and on the verge of being cancelled), but they ended up creating great, lasting characters to replace them. Thankfully, Allen hasn't REALLY come back fulltime yet, but I was really let down that they bowed to fanboy rantings or even cheaper gimmicks to bring back Lantern and Arrow. The new versions of both are fantastic characters! Let them take over and show some balls!

Like when they killed Wally in the Infinite Crisis, but Bart couldn't pull the sales in 12 issues, so they killed him and are bringing back Wally? (I'm still waiting for that second Flash trade to see how they kill him)

For me, the Legacy Virus originally had that resonance, but it went on too long.

QFT. But it killed Illyana :down:

[TheMojoPin]

For me, the Legacy Virus originally had that resonance, but it went on too long.

Agreed, though I thought the Colossus death salvaged it at least somewhat, even though I think they even mishandled that. Still, it's one of the very few ongoing 90's X-stories that actually had an ending, so I'll give it that much.

[TheMojoPin]

Like when they killed Wally in the Infinite Crisis, but Bart couldn't pull the sales in 12 issues, so they killed him and are bringing back Wally? (I'm still waiting for that second Flash trade to see how they kill him)

Yeah, I forgot about that, but that was incrediby stupid. Wally's been consistently popular and is, in my book, a MUCH better character than Barry. And Wally has always been so likeable...has anyone actually REALLY liked Impulse?

[TheMojoPin]

Granny Goodness, see this is why i could never take DC seriously. The only series i ever liked was the original Batman and the Outsiders, when it became the outsiders with Looker i threw in the towel

Granny f'n Goodness how pathetic

Heh, it sucks Connor is dead, but I like GG et al. All of that Kirby New Gods stuff is so batshit crazy and surreal...plus she ties in to Darkseid.

[chubbyknuckles]

with the team books, there are soo many characters and they are a;ways fighting, death is inevitable, so I'm ok with an x-man dying or and avenger, jla, etc. Casualties of war makes sense, but other shit just to make a cross over legitimate, is weak.

[MadMatt]

Yeah, I forgot about that, but that was incrediby stupid. Wally's been consistently popular and is, in my book, a MUCH better character than Barry. And Wally has always been so likeable...has anyone actually REALLY liked Impulse?

I think Wally is a better character simply because the caliber of writing has improved pretty dramatically.

I grew up with Barry Allen as the Flash and will always have that attachment, but being able to start following Wally from his first appearance as the Flash has helped solidify him as my favorite.

I knew they weren't going to keep Wally dead though - I think they never planned for him to be gone forever, but maybe that's wishful thinking. I liked Bart, but they never did enough with him when I was still reading regularly. He was very stagnant as a character, always stuck in that ADD mode and not seeming to learn enough from his experiences.

[EliSnow]

Wally didn't die in Infinite Crisis. Nor did they present that he did. They just showed him and his family going somewhere.

[TheMojoPin]

Wally didn't die in Infinite Crisis. Nor did they present that he did. They just showed him and his family going somewhere.

Still lame. Impulse was Kid Flash for, like, a year.

[EliSnow]

Still lame. Impulse was Kid Flash for, like, a year.

Almost three years actually.

Plus, they were hinting him at being the next Flash for awhile, even when he was Impulse.

Anyway, my point was that it was clear that Wally was never meant to be gone for good, and they could have brought him back as the Flash without getting rid of Bart. I mean Jay Garrick also is called the Flash, and we have four human Green Lanterns.

So while yes they brought back Wally because Bart's as Flash wasn't selling well, he would have come back at some point regardless.

[TheMojoPin]

Almost three years actually.

Plus, they were hinting him at being the next Flash for awhile, even when he was Impulse.

Anyway, my point was that it was clear that Wally was never meant to be gone for good, and they could have brought him back as the Flash without getting rid of Bart. I mean Jay Garrick also is called the Flash, and we have four human Green Lanterns.

So while yes they brought back Wally because Bart's as Flash wasn't selling well, he would have come back at some point regardless.

Gotcha.

[lleeder]

I like Wally being back but whats with these Flash kids. Will they please do us all a favor and die already.

[EliSnow]

Heh, it sucks Connor is dead, but I like GG et al. All of that Kirby New Gods stuff is so batshit crazy and surreal...plus she ties in to Darkseid.

Connor is really the first Green Arrow I know (having started reading DC comics in about 1996.

The story how he took on The Key in Morrison's JLA still remains one of my favorite JLA stories.

[TheMojoPin]

Connor is really the first Green Arrow I know (having started reading DC comics in about 1996.

The story how he took on The Key in Morrison's JLA still remains one of my favorite JLA stories.

Yeah, that one was great. Morrion really got the best out of those characters. Hell, he made the electric blue Superman badass, and that's a fuckin' miracle. Dude moved the entire moon by himself and then wrestled an archangel.

[Sheeplovr]

i freaking love Simon Dark

check it out if you havent seen it

written by steve niles

art by scot hampton

i realy dig this creepy hero story

[DarkHippie]

Everyone please buy the JLA/Hitman crossover. If sales are good they will rerelease the Hitman tradepaperbacks.

Hitman is my favorite comic ever. It is the perfect combination of action, emotion, and dark humor.

[silas]

with the team books, there are soo many characters and they are a;ways fighting, death is inevitable, so I'm ok with an x-man dying or and avenger, jla, etc. Casualties of war makes sense, but other shit just to make a cross over legitimate, is weak.


I'm looking forward with great antici.........pation for Millar/Hitch FF;

(I never thought i would luv reading an Avengers series).


PS-Any news on Quitely's (sp?) next series?

PPS- I finally read some Dan Clowes beyond Ghostworld- imo worth checking out if you like Ghostworld but haven't bothered with his other stuff.

[TheMojoPin]

Everyone please buy the JLA/Hitman crossover. If sales are good they will rerelease the Hitman tradepaperbacks.

Hitman is my favorite comic ever. It is the perfect combination of action, emotion, and dark humor.

Hitman was my favorite DC mainline series in the 90's, and I argue their best one, too. Them not printing the whole series in trade so far is beyond dumb, especially since they stopped right as the series really hit its stride with the "Who Dares Wins" storyline. I don't want them to just rerelease the trades...FINISH COLLECTING THE SERIES, DICKS.

[DarkHippie]

Hitman was my favorite DC mainline series in the 90's, and I argue their best one, too. Them not printing the whole series in trade so far is beyond dumb, especially since they stopped right as the series really hit its stride with the "Who Dares Wins" storyline. I don't want them to just rerelease the trades...FINISH COLLECTING THE SERIES, DICKS.

Finding someway to bring the series back with out it being lame and cheesey would make me the happiest person in the multiverse

[JustJon]

Yeah, I forgot about that, but that was incrediby stupid. Wally's been consistently popular and is, in my book, a MUCH better character than Barry. And Wally has always been so likeable...has anyone actually REALLY liked Impulse?

I loved loved loved Mark Waid's run on Flash and Impulse. Impulse when he started was a great character and Waid gave him a total child in a teen's body vibe in Flash, but then kicked it into overdrive in Impulse's own series.

And the storyline leading up to Flash #100 - Terminal Velocity - was just great and a big part of it was getting Bart to grow up and be mature enough to take the mantle when Wally was gone.

It's the modern Bart, without the fun, that I don't care for, although a few earlier issues of the current Teen Titans run weren't bad (the issue where Bart reads the library and becomes Kid Flash wasn't bad)

[EliSnow]

And the storyline leading up to Flash #100 - Terminal Velocity - was just great and a big part of it was getting Bart to grow up and be mature enough to take the mantle when Wally was gone.



Terminal Velocity was awesome. I think it may have been Mark Waid's best storyline on Flash (although his whole run on Flash is why Wally West is still Flash, and Barry Allen wasn't brought back). And yeah, that's the storyline I was referring to where they said that Bart would be the next Flash.

[JustJon]

Terminal Velocity was awesome. I think it may have been Mark Waid's best storyline on Flash (although his whole run on Flash is why Wally West is still Flash, and Barry Allen wasn't brought back). And yeah, that's the storyline I was referring to where they said that Bart would be the next Flash.

Just don't deny the coolness of "The Return of Barry Allen."

[Knowledged_one]

I just googled Granny Goodness and my original theory on DC still remains

But i do enjoy reading the various Batman storylines that have taken place

The one where Batman becomes Green Lantern seems like it was pretty good

[EliSnow]

Just don't deny the coolness of "The Return of Barry Allen."

I don't deny it; just not as good as "Terminal Velocity."

[cougarjake13]

I just googled Granny Goodness and my original theory on DC still remains

But i do enjoy reading the various Batman storylines that have taken place

The one where Batman becomes Green Lantern seems like it was pretty good

i'm intrigued

how does batman become green lantern ???

[Knowledged_one]

i'm intrigued

how does batman become green lantern ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_In_Darkest_Knight

its in the vein of a what if type story

[cougarjake13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_In_Darkest_Knight

its in the vein of a what if type story

thank you kind sir

[JustJon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_In_Darkest_Knight

its in the vein of a what if type story

DC calls them Elseworlds.

[Sheeplovr]

countdown got way better
damn them
this issue 14 is to be contunied

all of a suddon a story showed up in the series

anyone digging gotham underground

[EliSnow]

countdown got way better
damn them
this issue 14 is to be contunied


About f'n time. I was really pissed at myself for keep having kept up with this book. I hope my issues from last week come in today so I can check out what happened.

[ToLEEdo]

About f'n time. I was really pissed at myself for keep having kept up with this book. I hope my issues from last week come in today so I can check out what happened.

I never started the series because it was so big. It seemed too involved for me.

[boobieman]

If your looking for a good comic to read..Punisher MAX series. It's up to issue #54 but pick up the back issues and read issues #50 thur #54. One of the best arcs of the series.

SEEYAYAYAAAAAAAA!!!

[ToLEEdo]

Anyone know if there is a good Mobile CBR reader for use on a USB drive

[chubbyknuckles]

Is messiah complex over yet?

[EliSnow]

Is messiah complex over yet?

Last week. Haven't gotten the issue from last week yet though, so I don't know how it ends.

[TheMojoPin]

Is messiah complex over yet?

No, Joe Quesada is still sadly running Marvel.

[boobieman]

Last week. Haven't gotten the issue from last week yet though, so I don't know how it ends.

Wizard magazine web site has a weekly run down of the series. If you can't buy the comic at least you can just read what happeneds. Sort of interesting ending don't want to spoil it.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/

SEE YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYA

[chubbyknuckles]

No, Joe Quesada is still sadly running Marvel.

he was on colbert yesterday and was sooo uncomfortable looking

[TheMojoPin]

he was on colbert yesterday and was sooo uncomfortable looking

Though impressively less blubbery than he's been.

[chubbyknuckles]

Though impressively less blubbery than he's been.

i mean its good comics get the national press, but i still find it weird to watch someone explain the skrulls to a mass audience, just crap.

[TheMojoPin]

i mean its good comics get the national press, but i still find it weird to watch someone explain the skrulls to a mass audience, just crap.

It really is hideously embarassing.

[ToLEEdo]

What did everyone think about the last Y: The Last Man. I loved it, it went in a completely different direction than what I thought it would and was a really cool and interesting story.
:clap:

[EliSnow]

What did everyone think about the last Y: The Last Man. I loved it, it went in a completely different direction than what I thought it would and was a really cool and interesting story.
:clap:

When did it come out? I didn't see it on my order list for last week or this week.

[EliSnow]

Is messiah complex over yet?

I got to read the last issue. With this issue, and with what's going on in Astonishing X-Men, Cyclops is definitely the (X-)Man. I had a suspicion about who the baby may be, and I think this issue confirmed this (though not completely sure). Great suprise ending though.

[chubbyknuckles]

I got to read the last issue. With this issue, and with what's going on in Astonishing X-Men, Cyclops is definitely the (X-)Man. I had a suspicion about who the baby may be, and I think this issue confirmed this (though not completely sure). Great suprise ending though.

yeah i heard that cyclops gets a complete make over by the end of this crossover. He's a total hard ass, about time since he's been a pussy for over 25 + years. Hope this new twist on him sticks, he is a cool character.

[ToLEEdo]

When did it come out? I didn't see it on my order list for last week or this week.

Came out today!!! Go get it.

[EliSnow]

yeah i heard that cyclops gets a complete make over by the end of this crossover. He's a total hard ass, about time since he's been a pussy for over 25 + years. Hope this new twist on him sticks, he is a cool character.

I wouldn't say Cyke was made over during the crossover. It's been part of the process, but not limited to that. If you read Astonishing X-Men, you'll see what I mean. I think he was the same at the beginning of the crossover, as he was at the end. Plus, it wasn't a two dimensional portrayal. The last issue had a nice moment for him that showed his compassionate side.

And given his "recent" history, even the part of him and Apocalypse merging, what five years ago, this change makes sense.

[EliSnow]

Came out today!!! Go get it.

Ugh. It wasn't on my order list for this week. I sent an e-mail to my store, and told them to include it if it came in.

I may have to run out today and get it.

[booster11373]

I had a lite week this week so I decided to pick up "What If Spiderman Wolverine" not very good and not even a true what if in my opinon or at least not a very good one. The original Spiderman Wolverine was awesome one of the best one shots ever this is crap. Save your money and your time

[EliSnow]

Anyone ever read "Quantum & Woody" back in the mid-1990's? Great humorous superhero series featuring a black hero and his white partner/sidekick. The black hero is whiter than Earl, and is the straight man/object of humor, and the white partner is the jokester.

The series was written by Christopher Priest who later had an absolutely great run on Black Panther. A series that ended before its time, and unfortunately hard to find. Looks like only volume 3 is available on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Woody-Vol-S-Word-Cancelled/dp/B000Q3RFUO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202431732&sr=1-1).

[booster11373]

Anyone ever read "Quantum & Woody" back in the mid-1990's? Great humorous superhero series featuring a black hero and his white partner/sidekick. The black hero is whiter than Earl, and is the straight man/object of humor, and the white partner is the jokester.

The series was written by Christopher Priest who later had an absolutely great run on Black Panther. A series that ended before its time, and unfortunately hard to find. Looks like only volume 3 is available on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Woody-Vol-S-Word-Cancelled/dp/B000Q3RFUO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202431732&sr=1-1).

I'm always looking for a "funny" funny book, I never laughed as hard to a comic as the original Demattias/Griffin run on JLI

I will check out Quantum and Woody I vaguely remember seeing it on the shelf but never picked one up

[TheMojoPin]

Q&W was awesome. I'd kill for that series to be collected.

I miss the goat.

[chubbyknuckles]

Lemme ask all you guys a quick question.

Do you mind droppin the 2.99 on an issue. I'm sure most of us were collecting when it cost les, but is the 3 bucks too much to shell out? I'm asking because i'm gonna be published this year with my book and i'm wondering if it's too much to ask for a first time book. Even though it seems the going rate. Thanks.

[Sinestro]

I remember when comics used to cost only 60 cents.

[chubbyknuckles]

I remember when comics used to cost only 60 cents.

canadian?

[TheMojoPin]

Lemme ask all you guys a quick question.

Do you mind droppin the 2.99 on an issue. I'm sure most of us were collecting when it cost les, but is the 3 bucks too much to shell out? I'm asking because i'm gonna be published this year with my book and i'm wondering if it's too much to ask for a first time book. Even though it seems the going rate. Thanks.

That's a big reason why I gave up on buying monthly flimsies. If something is worth reading, it'll make it to trade.

[Gritty]

That's a big reason why I gave up on buying monthly flimsies. If something is worth reading, it'll make it to trade.

Same here. Last title I actively collected was 52. Once it was done, so was I. I wasn't getting $40/week's worth of enjoyment from comics anymore. Having said that, I think it's a reasonable price for a first time book since that's what the majors charge.

Oh, and I remember paying 12 cents for a comic. And they came with coupons for free rides at Palisades Park.

Yes, I am old.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3235/codesealmar1955dn4.gif

All the best with your book, Chubby. Let us know when it's out, I'll make a point of picking it up!

[chubbyknuckles]

Same here. Last title I actively collected was 52. Once it was done, so was I. I wasn't getting $40/week's worth of enjoyment from comics anymore. Having said that, I think it's a reasonable price for a first time book since that's what the majors charge.

Oh, and I remember paying 12 cents for a comic. And they came with coupons for free rides at Palisades Park.

Yes, I am old.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3235/codesealmar1955dn4.gif

All the best with your book, Chubby. Let us know when it's out, I'll make a point of picking it up!
Thanks alot, i'll def be posting about it on here and send fez a copy as well. really appreciate it.

[JustJon]

That's a big reason why I gave up on buying monthly flimsies. If something is worth reading, it'll make it to trade.

Same here, plus it's tougher to store the floppies.

At the NYCC last year, I met the guy who did Mouse Guard, and I had to ask him if a trade was coming because I'd hear great things about the book, but don't buy monthlies anymore. I felt bad not buying anything from him, but the hardcover was worth the wait.

[chubbyknuckles]

Same here, plus it's tougher to store the floppies.

At the NYCC last year, I met the guy who did Mouse Guard, and I had to ask him if a trade was coming because I'd hear great things about the book, but don't buy monthlies anymore. I felt bad not buying anything from him, but the hardcover was worth the wait.

The sad thing about that is I do it too, so it's hard to relate to the folks who go in every week and buy. I def know the same principals apply, good story, good art, but I just know it's hard to get people in weekly to buy a big name book, let alone a new book they've never heard of. I'll def be whoring it everywhere.

[EliSnow]

Just saw a rumor on Newsarama (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=146029) that the author of some of my favorite books (The Golden Age and Starman), James Robinson, is returning to comics and will be writing Superman.

I highly recommend both of these books, but especially The Golden Age to anyone. The Golden Age tells an incredibly great story about golden age DC characters (and other character later bought by DC), in particular those members of the JSA, and what happened after WWII.

Great, great story and available in TPB.

http://www.zianet.com/comic-booksuperstore/dc/goldenage.jpg

[Gritty]

Just saw a rumor on Newsarama (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=146029) that the author of some of my favorite books (The Golden Age and Starman), James Robinson, is returning to comics and will be writing Superman.

I highly recommend both of these books, but especially The Golden Age to anyone. The Golden Age tells an incredibly great story about golden age DC characters (and other character later bought by DC), in particular those members of the JSA, and what happened after WWII.

Great, great story and available in TPB.



Second that emotion. Robinson is fantastic. In addition to the titles Eli mentions I recommend 'Leave it to Chance" for the younger readers out there. There's one trade available and my kids (13 and 9 at the time) loved it. Art by Paul Smith

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8849/leaveittochanceshamansrkf6.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Robinson was one of my favorite writers in the 90's, and it aways kinda bummed me out that he's spent most of his time over the last decade working in Hollywood. Thank God he's coming back to comics...Starman is getting re-published in deluxe hardcover editions, too!

[Sheeplovr]

Lemme ask all you guys a quick question.

Do you mind droppin the 2.99 on an issue. I'm sure most of us were collecting when it cost les, but is the 3 bucks too much to shell out? I'm asking because i'm gonna be published this year with my book and i'm wondering if it's too much to ask for a first time book. Even though it seems the going rate. Thanks.

is $3.20 with taxes in nj and most indie books are $3.99 to off set cost

[chubbyknuckles]

is $3.20 with taxes in nj and most indie books are $3.99 to off set cost
yeah that's a huge amount to charge for any book. At least image has a few books that will be a full 32 pages. instead of 22 pages.

[JustJon]

is $3.20 with taxes in nj and most indie books are $3.99 to off set cost

No taxes on periodicals in NY

[MadMatt]

Lemme ask all you guys a quick question.

Do you mind droppin the 2.99 on an issue. I'm sure most of us were collecting when it cost les, but is the 3 bucks too much to shell out? I'm asking because i'm gonna be published this year with my book and i'm wondering if it's too much to ask for a first time book. Even though it seems the going rate. Thanks.

I can't tell you how cool I think it is that you are going to publish! :thumbup:

I will also admit to a certain amount of envy. :happy:

What kind of book is it going to be? You don't have to blow details, but what's the general vibe?

[Knowledged_one]

So let me ask this: Did spiderman ever get his wish granted from Loki for the help Spider man gave him?

[EliSnow]

Anyone else really looking forward to the Justice League: New Frontier (http://www.amazon.com/Justice-League-Frontier-Two-Disc-Special/dp/B000PFSYO4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1202940039&sr=8-1) DVD?

The original book was incredible, and I've read it several times. Get's an Eli Snow recommendation.

[chubbyknuckles]

I can't tell you how cool I think it is that you are going to publish! :thumbup:

I will also admit to a certain amount of envy. :happy:

What kind of book is it going to be? You don't have to blow details, but what's the general vibe?

its a completely made up new part of america, new land, and the people are pseudo like heroes where the guy with powers is responding to realizing he has a certain "gift/talent"
all while unraveling murders over the last 20 years. def an origin story and i hope it sells well to get enough time to tell all 3 parts like i want. Thanks for the well wishes, i'll keep this thread updated.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone else really looking forward to the Justice League: New Frontier (http://www.amazon.com/Justice-League-Frontier-Two-Disc-Special/dp/B000PFSYO4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1202940039&sr=8-1) DVD?

The original book was incredible, and I've read it several times. Get's an Eli Snow recommendation.

Love, love, love the book. One of the better Absolute collections, too.

[djjd]

Lemme ask all you guys a quick question.

Do you mind droppin the 2.99 on an issue. I'm sure most of us were collecting when it cost les, but is the 3 bucks too much to shell out? I'm asking because i'm gonna be published this year with my book and i'm wondering if it's too much to ask for a first time book. Even though it seems the going rate. Thanks.

That's a big reason why I gave up on buying monthly flimsies. If something is worth reading, it'll make it to trade.


so true

[djjd]

Anyone else really looking forward to the Justice League: New Frontier (http://www.amazon.com/Justice-League-Frontier-Two-Disc-Special/dp/B000PFSYO4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1202940039&sr=8-1) DVD?

The original book was incredible, and I've read it several times. Get's an Eli Snow recommendation.


really looking forward to the dvd

[JustJon]

I still want to read New Frontier. Heard good things, never got around to it.

[Sheeplovr]

The Boys Second Trade comes out this week

i love the boys
its kinda over the top at times
but every issue has something i scream holy shit at

if you never read the boys i highly suggest you try the first book

its garth ennis so you have an idea in what your in for

[JustJon]

The Boys Second Trade comes out this week

i love the boys
its kinda over the top at times
but every issue has something i scream holy shit at

if you never read the boys i highly suggest you try the first book

its garth ennis so you have an idea in what your in for

I really enjoyed the boys first trade. can't wait to see where it goes beyond the origin story.

[PhishHead]

sheepy you just made my day by telling me the 2nd trade comes out this week!!

Thanks!

[DiabloSammich]

I've had a lot of "honest" recommendations for The Boys. I might have to check this out.

[EliSnow]

I've had a lot of "honest" recommendations for The Boys. I might have to check this out.

Just read the first TPB of the Boys last weekend. Has certain things in common with Preacher (including showing Ennis' passion for New York, potrayal of sex, etc). Really, really liked it.

[lleeder]

Just read the first TPB of the Boys last weekend. Has certain things in common with Preacher (including showing Ennis' passion for New York, potrayal of sex, etc). Really, really liked it.

Is it bad that when that new superhero girl was forced to blow everyone I found it to be hot?

[DiabloSammich]

Just read the first TPB of the Boys last weekend. Has certain things in common with Preacher (including showing Ennis' passion for New York, potrayal of sex, etc). Really, really liked it.



It's from Ennis?

I'm there.

[EliSnow]

Is it bad that when that new superhero girl was forced to blow everyone I found it to be hot?

If you add that to your comments about the Lohan pics, yes, I do believe so.

[MadMatt]

Anyone else really looking forward to the Justice League: New Frontier (http://www.amazon.com/Justice-League-Frontier-Two-Disc-Special/dp/B000PFSYO4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1202940039&sr=8-1) DVD?

The original book was incredible, and I've read it several times. Get's an Eli Snow recommendation.

I haven't read the book, but got to watch a "pre-release" copy of the DVD. It was REALLY good.

[BalloonKnotB]

Just read the first TPB of the Boys last weekend. Has certain things in common with Preacher (including showing Ennis' passion for New York, potrayal of sex, etc). Really, really liked it.

Anyone notice that "Wee Hughie" looks a LOT like Simon Pegg?

Really nice art by Darick Robertson that compliments Garth's writing nicely.

What I love about the book is how it beats up on the classic "superhero". It does it so well, in fact, that DC bailed on the book six issues in. Dynamite was smart to pick it back up with very little delay between issues.

[JustJon]

Anyone notice that "Wee Hughie" looks a LOT like Simon Pegg?

Read Simon's intro to the first TPB.


And I dunno about hot, but I liked how they tortured her like that.

[chubbyknuckles]

Anyone notice that "Wee Hughie" looks a LOT like Simon Pegg?

Really nice art by Darick Robertson that compliments Garth's writing nicely.

What I love about the book is how it beats up on the classic "superhero". It does it so well, in fact, that DC bailed on the book six issues in. Dynamite was smart to pick it back up with very little delay between issues.

Thats who wee hughie is modeled after, Ennis and Robertson are big fans of his, and they had hoped if it ever gets made into a movie he'd jump on board.

[EliSnow]

For those who want to know what Marvel issues/TPBs are coming out in May 2008:

Marvel Solicitations (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May08/solicitations.html)

[Knowledged_one]

March 5th is the return of the Dark Tower Series

This should be much better as its not a retelling of Wizard and Glass but all new stories based on teh Gunslinger legend

Anyone else enjoy the first series of books?

[EliSnow]

March 5th is the return of the Dark Tower Series

This should be much better as its not a retelling of Wizard and Glass but all new stories based on teh Gunslinger legend

Anyone else enjoy the first series of books?

That's one of several cool things happening on March 5th. One other cool thing is that a Frank Miller Batman statute is being released. There 's another huge cool thing happening on March 5th too..

As for Dark Tower, the next series does come from Wizard and Glass as it describes what happens when Roland returns after the events in the first series. But since these events aren't detailed as much in the book as the other events, there will be a lot of new stuff.

And I loved the first series.

[EliSnow]

DC's May 2008 Solicitations (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May08/solicitations.html)

Next big DC event, the Final Crisis, starts in May.

That and you can buy Superman's cape and belt.

[cougarjake13]

anyone interested in getting the red hulk #2 ???


i hope they explain who the hell he is in this issue

[EliSnow]

anyone interested in getting the red hulk #2 ???


i hope they explain who the hell he is in this issue

I ordered it. I don't have high expectations.

[PhishHead]

I thought they already said who the Red Hulk was in Issue #1?? Unless I am mistaken, I could have swore they said it was Rick Jones.

[EliSnow]

I thought they already said who the Red Hulk was in Issue #1?? Unless I am mistaken, I could have swore they said it was Rick Jones.

The events at the end certainly suggest that the person you identified is the Red Hulk, but until they show him Hulking out, I think we can't say for certain.

[JustJon]

DC's May 2008 Solicitations (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May08/solicitations.html)

Next big DC event, the Final Crisis, starts in May.

That and you can buy Superman's cape and belt.

then what will superman wear?

[EliSnow]

then what will superman wear?

Maybe he's going back to the Electro Supes look.

[PhishHead]

Maybe he's going back to the Electro Supes look.

sweet

[booster11373]

Maybe he's going back to the Electro Supes look.

Bleegh! worst throwaway costume ever

[EliSnow]

Bleegh! worst throwaway costume ever

Worse than these? I don't think so:

http://www.toybender.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/daredevilarmor01.jpg

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/848/848459/the-many-looks-of-captain-america-20080129031540498.jpg

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/848/848459/the-many-looks-of-captain-america-20080129031801773.jpg

[booster11373]

Worse than these? I don't think so:

http://www.toybender.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/daredevilarmor01.jpg

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/848/848459/the-many-looks-of-captain-america-20080129031540498.jpg

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/848/848459/the-many-looks-of-captain-america-20080129031801773.jpg



I consider most Marvel characters costumes to be bad throw-away costumes:wink:

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, yet another of our daily random bard crashes ate my reply. Thanks, internet.

Anyway, Electro-Supes sucked, but at least Grant Morrison used him to reaffirm his own comic writing godliness by making him badass in the pages of JLA, having him use his new powers to first move the fucking moon and then wrestle with a goddamn angel.

And Spider-Man has had a couple of real dog variant costumes along the way...as much as I love Ben Reilly as the character, this was horrible:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/ScarletSpider.JPG

And what about the infamous Spider-Armor?

http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/Spiderman/CostumeSpideyArmor.gif

That said, Ben Reilly's Spider-man costume when he briefly took over the role I think kicked ass. I wish it had actually become the regular costume. It was a subtle update that still harkened back enough to the classic original.

http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/BenReilly/BenSpiderLegs.gif

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/e/e9/Reilly_head.jpg/440px-Reilly_head.jpg

http://www.arcadiaclub.com/img/fumetti/marvel/ben_reilly.JPG

The real Spidey is a fucking dumbass for not keeping those stingers and impact webbing dealies that Ben had.

[TheMojoPin]

I consider most Marvel characters costumes to be bad throw-away costumes:wink:

Yeah, DC has never dogged it up:

http://www.darkknight.ca/gallery/azrael-b.jpg

Both companies have been really good at designing classic looks for their mainstay characters over the decades.

[TheMojoPin]

Here's my comic question of the day...which characters are the biggest icons? Like, if a kid in some poor country halfway around the world sees it, they know exactly who that is?

My list would go in this order:

Superman
Batman (and classic Robin)
Spider-Man
Captain America
The Hulk
Wolverine
Wonder Woman
Everyone else

In terms of specific ionography, it's much more limited (like only identifying the character by their logo). I think Superman is still by far the tops with the "S," but I'd then pick Captain America's shield second. Batman had a huge bump with the black and yellow bat logo and its hype from the '89 film, but before and after his actual "logo" is far more non-descript. Spider-Man too is pretty non-descript if you focus just on his spider logo. Nobody really notices that thing.

[EliSnow]

Here's my comic question of the day...which characters are the biggest icons? Like, if a kid in some poor country halfway around the world sees it, they know exactly who that is?

My list would go in this order:

Superman
Batman (and classic Robin)
Spider-Man
Captain America
The Hulk
Wolverine
Wonder Woman
Everyone else

In terms of specific ionography, it's much more limited (like only identifying the character by their logo). I think Superman is still by far the tops with the "S," but I'd then pick Captain America's shield second. Batman had a huge bump with the black and yellow bat logo and its hype from the '89 film, but before and after his actual "logo" is far more non-descript. Spider-Man too is pretty non-descript if you focus just on his spider logo. Nobody really notices that thing.

I think Wonder Woman goes higher on the list (maybe after Spidey?). But other than that, I think that's pretty close.

Maybe the Flash should be on there too, but at the end.

[EliSnow]

It looks like Deadpool and Gambit will be appearing in the new Wolverine movie (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=147408)coming out next May.

[TheMojoPin]

I think Wonder Woman goes higher on the list (maybe after Spidey?). But other than that, I think that's pretty close.

Maybe the Flash should be on there too, but at the end.

I thought about Flash and Green Lantern, but I don't think they ever made that big push outside of the comic book world to be in the same level as those that I picked.

[PhishHead]

Speedball is by far the most iconic

[EliSnow]

I thought about Flash and Green Lantern, but I don't think they ever made that big push outside of the comic book world to be in the same level as those that I picked.

I think with the tv show Flash and some other things, Flash has gone up higher to almost Wolverine status.

[Knowledged_one]

I think with the tv show Flash and some other things, Flash has gone up higher to almost Wolverine status.

No way the SNIKT and claws are more iconic then the lame flash

Also they have a new JLA live action movie that will focus on the Green Arrow and Green Lantern supposedly

[EliSnow]

No way the SNIKT and claws are more iconic then the lame flash



I assume you meant to have a period or comma after "No way."

[TheMojoPin]

I think with the tv show Flash and some other things, Flash has gone up higher to almost Wolverine status.

Wait, are we talking about the complete disaster and radar blip of a TV show almost 20 years ago and a few scattered cartoon appearances that catered mostly to comic book fans?

That said, I'd probably slip him in at the end of my list just because of all the times I've heard people around me or on TV or whatever say something is "as fast as/faster than the Flash."

[Knowledged_one]

Wait, are we talking about the complete disaster and radar blip of a TV show almost 20 years ago and a few scattered cartoon appearances that catered mostly to comic book fans?

I love the character, but come on. I'd say he's easily on the top end of "all the rest," bt I don't really see anything that breaks him out of the pack.

Must you always put sunshine on my parade

[EliSnow]

Wait, are we talking about the complete disaster and radar blip of a TV show almost 20 years ago and a few scattered cartoon appearances that catered mostly to comic book fans?

That said, I'd probably slip him in at the end of my list just because of all the times I've heard people around me or on TV or whatever say something is "as fast as/faster than the Flash."

I know, but just from watching non-comics things, I think I see more Flash references in every day life, entertainments, etc., than other superheroes not appearing on your list.

Plus, if you were to ask your average person to name a superhero who has super-speed, I bet they say the Flash (tho' they may say Superman first).

[booster11373]

I think Superman's S shield is by far the most recognizable icon there is and way out front of all others. I think 2nd place came be a tie between Batman and Spiderman with maybe a slight lead given to Spidey due to his movie success.

Besides Spidey and Captain America what Marvel character has a great icon that automatically identifies them?

[EliSnow]

I think Superman's S shield is by far the most recognizable icon there is and way out front of all others. I think 2nd place came be a tie between Batman and Spiderman with maybe a slight lead given to Spidey due to his movie success.

Besides Spidey and Captain America what Marvel character has a great icon that automatically identifies them?

Punisher, although I don't think that it's that famous, but that is a great icon.

[MadMatt]

It looks like Deadpool and Gambit will be appearing in the new Wolverine movie (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=147408)coming out next May.

I have to say, Ryan Reynolds is a pretty good choice for Deadpool. His horrible wise-cracking is extremely similar to Wade's and Reynolds has built a solid physique over the last few years.

As long as he doesn't over-act too much (compensating for the mask), we should be OK.

Of course they could have gone with Tom Cruise...

:lol:

[Knowledged_one]

I think Superman's S shield is by far the most recognizable icon there is and way out front of all others. I think 2nd place came be a tie between Batman and Spiderman with maybe a slight lead given to Spidey due to his movie success.

Besides Spidey and Captain America what Marvel character has a great icon that automatically identifies them?

You know i read somewhere where the ghostbusters logo was one of the worlds most recognizable logos

I think the difference is, is that Marvel doesnt feel the need to market some kind of icon for their people. People know who the X men are but they dont really have a recognizable logo, or the avengers or on and on

Marvel lets its characters just speak for themselves without the need for logoizing(TM KO) its stars

[EliSnow]

I have to say, Ryan Reynolds is a pretty good choice for Deadpool. His horrible wise-cracking is extremely similar to Wade's and Reynolds has built a solid physique over the last few years.

As long as he doesn't over-act too much (compensating for the mask), we should be OK.

Of course they could have gone with Tom Cruise...

:lol:

Having Liev Schreiber as Sabretooth is a very interesting choice. Not sure how they are going to go with this.

[TheMojoPin]

I think Superman's S shield is by far the most recognizable icon there is and way out front of all others. I think 2nd place came be a tie between Batman and Spiderman with maybe a slight lead given to Spidey due to his movie success.

But it sounds like you're talking actual icons/logos of the characters, like Superman's "S." Spider-Man's spider is pretty non-descript and not eye-catching at all. Like, if you showed someone that logo all by itself just on a piece of paper, I'd bet more people say that it's just a spider.

[MadMatt]

Having Liev Schreiber as Sabretooth is a very interesting choice. Not sure how they are going to go with this.

He's certainly a better actor than Tyler Mane, although I'm not sure about his physical presence.

Schreiber is in respectable shape, but doesn't seem to be tremendously "imposing."

Of course I thought the same thing about Hugh Jackman when he was announced as Wolverine and he seemed to pull it off.

[EliSnow]

He's certainly a better actor than Tyler Mane, although I'm not sure about his physical presence.

Schreiber is in respectable shape, but doesn't seem to be tremendously "imposing."

Of course I thought the same thing about Hugh Jackman when he was announced as Wolverine and he seemed to pull it off.

I was thinking similar things.

[booster11373]

You know i read somewhere where the ghostbusters logo was one of the worlds most recognizable logos

I think the difference is, is that Marvel doesnt feel the need to market some kind of icon for their people. People know who the X men are but they dont really have a recognizable logo, or the avengers or on and on

Marvel lets its characters just speak for themselves without the need for logoizing(TM KO) its stars


I think for the most part you are right in Marvels philosophy, I dont agree but I agree that's maybe what Marvels wants to do.

And might certainly work with comic book readers and such

But I took the question in that some one from outside that world would be able to recognize a Icon of a superhero and I dont think that someone in China would be able to tell who Cyclops or Kitty Pryde.

[ToLEEdo]

He's certainly a better actor than Tyler Mane, although I'm not sure about his physical presence.

Schreiber is in respectable shape, but doesn't seem to be tremendously "imposing."

Of course I thought the same thing about Hugh Jackman when he was announced as Wolverine and he seemed to pull it off.


I'm sure they will use lifts and camera tricks to make him seem bigger. It will be good for him to be able to actually say lines and display emotions.

[JustJon]

as much as I love Flash, I think this story kinda shows how iconic he is...

several years ago, a friend of mine who is a die hard spidey fan and comic reader tells me he got a shazam shirt for x-mas. I visit him a few days later and he shows me his new shirt with the lightning bolt on it. I had to tell him it was the flash.

[EliSnow]

as much as I love Flash, I think this story kinda shows how iconic he is...

several years ago, a friend of mine who is a die hard spidey fan and comic reader tells me he got a shazam shirt for x-mas. I visit him a few days later and he shows me his new shirt with the lightning bolt on it. I had to tell him it was the flash.

Really? He messed up these two shirts?

Captain Marvel:

http://www.e-comic.de/catalog/images/Shazam!Symbol_Metalix.jpg (I have this one and the Black Adam t-shirt).

Flash:

http://www.e-comic.de/catalog/images/non-flash-t-shirt-gross.jpg

Of course, then you have the Mage t-shirt (which I own as well):

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_folder/t_34144_04.jpg

[EliSnow]

And then there's the original Flash design:

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/tshirts/GA_flash.jpg

[JustJon]

the shirt in question was the barry allen/wally west shirt.

[EliSnow]

Just finished the "Coward" arc of Ed Brubaker's Criminal. This is a great arc, and has a great noir feel, about a pickpocket/thief who is known for his ability to stay unnoticed and to survive.

Brubaker's been on a great run for the last 3 years or so, with Criminal, Captain America, Daredevil and Iron Fist. His Uncanny X-men has been okay, but he's knocking them out of the park with these other books.

[Sheeplovr]

i wanna jump into criminal it catches my eye every week
i cant keep up wiht anyrthing though

to much stacked up
i gotta get bags and bords now
i need more boxes

this is ridiculous

[EliSnow]

i wanna jump into criminal it catches my eye every week
i cant keep up wiht anyrthing though

to much stacked up
i gotta get bags and bords now
i need more boxes

this is ridiculous

I just went with the TPBs for Criminal. Last night was Coward, and I'm going to read "Lawless" later this week.

[TheMojoPin]

i wanna jump into criminal it catches my eye every week
i cant keep up wiht anyrthing though

to much stacked up
i gotta get bags and bords now
i need more boxes

this is ridiculous

Just read anything Brubaker writes that doesn't stat with "X."

Best book I've read lately?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/IncognegroSolicit.jpg

Vertigo HC about a black reporter in the 1930's who is light-skinned enough to infiltrate and report on lynchings down in the south. Great, great, great book.

[PhishHead]

Because Eli has never steered me wrong I just ordered both TPBs of Criminal.

[Sheeplovr]

Because Eli has never steered me wrong I just ordered both TPBs of Criminal.

ordered?........ouch

[TheMojoPin]

If you like Brubaker and haven't read Sleeper yet, don't read anything else until you do.

[ToLEEdo]

sooo much to read and so little time. I did catch Deadpool #50 though and loved it.

[Knowledged_one]

So now that messiah complex has ended what do you think of the new storyline they are running with through the X books

And thoughts on Secret Invasion?

[EliSnow]

If you like Brubaker and haven't read Sleeper yet, don't read anything else until you do.

I haven't actually. I'll have to put that on the list.

[EliSnow]

So now that messiah complex has ended what do you think of the new storyline they are running with through the X books

I don't know about you, but it's too early to tell.


And thoughts on Secret Invasion?

I'm more excited for this than I am for Final Crisis, or for any other event out there.

[PhishHead]

ordered?........ouch

I am sorry Sheepy, it was just easier to order them because I wanted them quickly and cant make it out to the store for awhile.

[ToLEEdo]

So now that messiah complex has ended what do you think of the new storyline they are running with through the X books

And thoughts on Secret Invasion?

I liked how X books were going together and I liked both the stories and the art.

I really think Secret Invasion is going to be good. I've enjoyed the tie-ins I've seen so far. The only thing I don't like is that I doubt they will bring new Cap into it.

[donnie_darko]

criminal is definitely cool

whats up with this batman 673? sort of lost track and stuck mostly to the detective comiccs.

i actually enjoyed last months ultimate human too, and i'm kicking myself for starting to read drafted....really should've waited on that one.

[EliSnow]

criminal is definitely cool

whats up with this batman 673? sort of lost track and stuck mostly to the detective comiccs.

i actually enjoyed last months ultimate human too, and i'm kicking myself for starting to read drafted....really should've waited on that one.

Batman had a heart attack at the end of Batman #672 while trying to take on a faux Batman attacking a Gotham police station.

Batman 673 shows him remembering some of his early exploits that were originally in comics from the 50's and 60's, I believe.

[cougarjake13]

did anyone pick up the red hulk #2 ???

[donnie_darko]

thanks eli, is it worth checking out? i hate back tracking through stuff i don't normally follow...end up a bit obsessed and back tracking for years.

[EliSnow]

did anyone pick up the red hulk #2 ???

Yes. It was meh.


And it appears that the person everyone thought was the red Hulk was not.

[PhishHead]

Yes. It was meh.


And it appears that the person everyone thought was the red Hulk was not.

who is it then?

[EliSnow]

thanks eli, is it worth checking out? i hate back tracking through stuff i don't normally follow...end up a bit obsessed and back tracking for years.

I liked it a lot, but you may want to wait until Grant Morrison's Batman is collected in TPB.

[chubbyknuckles]

For those near to the ny area, is anyone going to the NY comicon in april. I was wondering if some people would be getting together for some beers or just a meet up before or afterwards.

[JustJon]

For those near to the ny area, is anyone going to the NY comicon in april. I was wondering if some people would be getting together for some beers or just a meet up before or afterwards.

I would say start a nycc thread closer to the con. i'm sure quite a few of us will be going.

[ToLEEdo]

did anyone win that contest to go to comic con with Sam last year or did they just forget about it.

[Sheeplovr]

I would say start a nycc thread closer to the con. i'm sure quite a few of us will be going.

im defintly going again this year

and totlly will post about it probably mid or late march since its in april

[JustJon]

im defintly going again this year

and totlly will post about it probably mid or late march since its in april

Then we'll have to hang out again. I just can't wait on that fucking line again.

[Sheeplovr]

Then we'll have to hang out again. I just can't wait on that fucking line again.

turns out we didnt have to wait on the line if you have the ticket befor hand i wish someone told me that last year instead of me getting yelled at by the guy at the counter

[EliSnow]

Just got my Blu-Ray copy of New Frontier yesterday.

Can't wait to watch it.

[Sinestro]

Do you peeps also go to Philly for the Wizard World Convention????

[Sheeplovr]

Do you peeps also go to Philly for the Wizard World Convention????

i don't but thought about it

[JustJon]

turns out we didnt have to wait on the line if you have the ticket befor hand i wish someone told me that last year instead of me getting yelled at by the guy at the counter

I didn't have tickets in advance last year.

and I don't go down to philly.

[Sinestro]

You don't know what you're missing. Wizard World East Coast is awesome if you like comics, gaming, exclusives, guests and other stuff. Aria Giovanni, Virgil, Dazza and some Star Wars Jedi chic was there when I went there one time.

[booster11373]

Justice League New Frontier

I watched last night really enjoyed, I hope its a big sucess so that they make more of this kind of stuff.

The voice cast was really good and different from the JLU.

My only complaint is the continued puusifiction of Superman continues in media other then comics. Although in the story it makes sence and its not really a Superman story but still....

[MadMatt]

Justice League New Frontier

I watched last night really enjoyed, I hope its a big sucess so that they make more of this kind of stuff.

The voice cast was really good and different from the JLU.

My only complaint is the continued puusifiction of Superman continues in media other then comics. Although in the story it makes sence and its not really a Superman story but still....

I agree - there was top-notch voice talent. Really well done.

And to defend Superman, they were going for a 1950's Supes not the 'modern' version. It was the era of "truth, justice, and the American way!" I thought they did a great job bringing that across.

Wonder Woman was a little wooden, but I liked her attitude.

[djjd]

just picked up the new frontier dvd at best buy, really well done, and i got a cool green lantern figurine

[Gritty]

turns out we didnt have to wait on the line if you have the ticket befor hand i wish someone told me that last year instead of me getting yelled at by the guy at the counter

Wasn't the whole con a cluster-F last year? Lines that went to nowhere, exhibit room so small the NYFD only allowed new people in as others left?

Or was that 2 years ago?

[chubbyknuckles]

Wasn't the whole con a cluster-F last year? Lines that went to nowhere, exhibit room so small the NYFD only allowed new people in as others left?

Or was that 2 years ago?

yeah that was last year, it was a disaster.

[Sinestro]

The Philly Wizard East Coast Con has a lot of stuff. And it's 3 days Fri, Sat, and Sun.

[chubbyknuckles]

The Philly Wizard East Coast Con has a lot of stuff. And it's 3 days Fri, Sat, and Sun.

i went to philly years ago, the company i work for just invited me to go to emerald city con, anyone on here know anything about that one?

[Sheeplovr]

i went to philly years ago, the company i work for just invited me to go to emerald city con, anyone on here know anything about that one?

actully my comic shop boss is going pluss a guy who works in the shop who has his own indiependent book

it sounds pretty cool

youll enjoy yourself
and ill tell you to say hi to my boss

[EliSnow]

He's certainly a better actor than Tyler Mane, although I'm not sure about his physical presence.

Schreiber is in respectable shape, but doesn't seem to be tremendously "imposing."

Of course I thought the same thing about Hugh Jackman when he was announced as Wolverine and he seemed to pull it off.

Liev as Sabretooth (http://www.flynetonline.com/2008/03/wolverine-sabretooth/)

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/WolvieSabertooth1.jpg

[MadMatt]

Liev as Sabretooth (http://www.flynetonline.com/2008/03/wolverine-sabretooth/)

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/WolvieSabertooth1.jpg



Damn it.

:sad:

[EliSnow]

Damn it.

:sad:

I had a similar thoght, but just remember it's one pic off-scene, etc. He may look better in action during the movie.

[chubbyknuckles]

actully my comic shop boss is going pluss a guy who works in the shop who has his own indiependent book

it sounds pretty cool

youll enjoy yourself
and ill tell you to say hi to my boss

wow sheepy, so you work in a comic shop? Thats cool, where?

[chubbyknuckles]

I had a similar thoght, but just remember it's one pic off-scene, etc. He may look better in action during the movie.

liev is a pretty awesome actor i'll give up the look for the better acting.

[cougarjake13]

I had a similar thoght, but just remember it's one pic off-scene, etc. He may look better in action during the movie.

they couldnt get t mane to reprise the role ??

[JustJon]

I think Liev looks ok. I prefer continuity among the movies, but supposedly they're trying to relaunch the franchise a bit after the X3 travesty.

[EliSnow]

they couldnt get t mane to reprise the role ??

They didn't want Mane to reprise the role, and I don't blame them. The guy doesn't have the acting chops to be the lead villain in the movie.

[chubbyknuckles]

They didn't want Mane to reprise the role, and I don't blame them. The guy doesn't have the acting chops to be the lead villain in the movie.

totally agree, but the more i think about liev, the more i actually like it. Even when he plays a hero, his characters always feel like they're evil or hiding something, he's getting a thumbs up from me, for now. Who else is in the film, is it a who's who from wolverines past?

[Sheeplovr]

i love liev shriver the more i hear about this the more im into it
damn wolverine movie
ill be seeing it

[EliSnow]

Who else is in the film, is it a who's who from wolverines past?

Somewhat. I think Aintitcoolnews.com has had several reports but I've seen reports that Gambit and Deadpool (played by Ryan Reynolds I believe) with be in the movie, and I think also Wraith and Maverick.

[cougarjake13]

ryan reynolds is deadpool


http://imdb.com/title/tt0458525/

[TheMojoPin]

I'm pretty sure I'd rather watch a Ryaan Reynolds flick.

[Tall_James]

ryan reynolds is deadpool

I'm pretty sure I'd rather watch a Ryaan Reynolds flick.

ryaan reynolds is jizzpool

[chubbyknuckles]

ryan reynolds is awful, but in this movie i hope he plays a sarcastic witty smarmy fella, y'know stretch a lil bit.

[cougarjake13]

ryan reynolds is awful, but in this movie i hope he plays a sarcastic witty smarmy fella, y'know stretch a lil bit.


might be a bit much to expect

[EliSnow]

Looks like James Robinson will be on an another book for DC. Specifically, Justice League (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=150409).

This isn't Justice League of America or JLA, though. The premise sounds like one of those more proactive books we've been talking about. Its feature Hal Jordan, Ollie, Supergirl, Batwoman, Ray Palmer, Freddy Freeman (the former Captain Marvel Jr), the blue Starman, and Congorilla, who I have never heard of. But Robinson's claims he'll do for Congorilla what he did for Shade in the Starman book.

Tell you what. If it wasn't for James Robinson, I would say this book doesn't really sound that great.

But I probably said the same thing about Starman when I heard about it.

[booster11373]

Looks like James Robinson will be on an another book for DC. Specifically, Justice League (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=150409).

This isn't Justice League of America or JLA, though. The premise sounds like one of those more proactive books we've been talking about. Its feature Hal Jordan, Ollie, Supergirl, Batwoman, Ray Palmer, Freddy Freeman (the former Captain Marvel Jr), the blue Starman, and Congorilla, who I have never heard of. But Robinson's claims he'll do for Congorilla what he did for Shade in the Starman book.

Tell you what. If it wasn't for James Robinson, I would say this book doesn't really sound that great.

But I probably said the same thing about Starman when I heard about it.

It sounds like the Exterme Justice book done mid-90's led by Captain Atom. That was a whole pro-active take on the JL. Plus the whole relaunch of the Outsiders no to long ago was the same concept as well

Has it really worked?

Im sure I will give it a shot but.........

[EliSnow]

It sounds like the Exterme Justice book done mid-90's led by Captain Atom. That was a whole pro-active take on the JL. Plus the whole relaunch of the Outsiders no to long ago was the same concept as well

Has it really worked?

Im sure I will give it a shot but.........

Exactly my thought, but it's James Robinson, and his love of the Silver Age and writing skills makes things better.

[EliSnow]

For those interested, Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/June08/solicitations.html) has a page of DC Comics solicitations of comics, trade paperbacks, etc. for June.

[Sheeplovr]

did anyone talk about all these new books that started this past few weeks anyone read echo
theres alot of first issues right now

weird time

and last weeks countdown blew so hard

[EliSnow]

did anyone talk about all these new books that started this past few weeks anyone read echo
theres alot of first issues right now

weird time

and last weeks countdown blew so hard

I don't know about the other books, but Countdown did indeed suck.

[Sheeplovr]

For those interested, Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/June08/solicitations.html) has a page of DC Comics solicitations of comics, trade paperbacks, etc. for June.

if supergirl punches threw reailty like superboy did im going to lose my hat

[EliSnow]

if supergirl punches threw reailty like superboy did im going to lose my hat

You have a hat?

Does it look like Gvac's hat?

[Sheeplovr]

You have a hat?

Does it look like Gvac's hat?

shhhhhhhh don't tell him

[EliSnow]

Marvel's June solicitations (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/June08/solicitations.html) of comic books, graphic novels, etc.

The cover to June's Captain America book features two men dressed as Cap. Is Steve Rogers returning?

I wouldn't be my money on it.

[BeerBandit]

I went to the comic shop for the first time in years this past weekend. I picked up first in the new The Dark Tower series, the first Pax Romana, and the first in the new Wormwood series. I'll report on them as I read them. It's been a busy week.

[cougarjake13]

Marvel's June solicitations (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/June08/solicitations.html) of comic books, graphic novels, etc.

The cover to June's Captain America book features two men dressed as Cap. Is Steve Rogers returning?

I wouldn't be my money on it.


it'll prob just be a spirit or dream like cap

[marcpsych]

Where's Uncle Gvac to tell us about this neighbor who used to work for DC and would give him free comic books?

Ahhh...nostalgia.

I used to collect these...thinking they would be worth something.

http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/bear/353/xforce5.jpg

My buddy actually just left after working at DC for 5 years. He is awash in comics and novels - thousands upon thousands.

I visited their office, and they have the Batman Begins suit in the lobby, and are also right by MAD magazine offices.

[JustJon]

My buddy actually just left after working at DC for 5 years. He is awash in comics and novels - thousands upon thousands.

I visited their office, and they have the Batman Begins suit in the lobby, and are also right by MAD magazine offices.

DC owns Mad.

[marcpsych]

DC owns Mad.

I know this was the case, but I think MAD might have been exiled from the Time Warner empire.

[EliSnow]

I know this was the case, but I think MAD might have been exiled from the Time Warner empire.

Nope. The website for MAD magazine is www.dccomics.com/mad/ and it clearly states that it is a Warner Bros. company.

[Gritty]

Nope. The website for MAD magazine is www.dccomics.com/mad/ and it clearly states that it is a Warner Bros. company.

I recently got a subscription to Mad for my 12 year old son, expecting that he'd like it as much as I did when I was a kid. He read one, "Eh, it's not funny" and that was it. Won't even look at them as they come in.

I've checked out a few and I have to agree (granted I don't think it's geared towards 48 year olds). No Dave Berg, Don Martin. Movie parodies that aren't witty or funny. I don't think the color adds anything.

Sad.

[chubbyknuckles]

I went to the comic shop for the first time in years this past weekend. I picked up first in the new The Dark Tower series, the first Pax Romana, and the first in the new Wormwood series. I'll report on them as I read them. It's been a busy week.

How did you like Pax Romana ? I'm really curious to hear what some people think about this book.

[kdubya]

I checked out ECHO. I thought it was pretty sweet. I was starting to lose interest in comics lately but Echo and RASL have really got me excited again. I am also a fan of what Red 5 comics is doing.

I really like the art work in ECHO, very cool and simple, Terry Moore draws the best women in comics.

did anyone talk about all these new books that started this past few weeks anyone read echo
theres alot of first issues right now

weird time

and last weeks countdown blew so hard

[MadMatt]

I finally checked out Superman: Red Son last night.

You guys were right - one of the best reads ever! Really well done, and the ending was amazing.

:clap:

[ToLEEdo]

Can someone explain the Secret Invasion Prologue to me. I didn't understand what was going on at all. Anyone have this same problem?

[cougarjake13]

I finally checked out Superman: Red Son last night.

You guys were right - one of the best reads ever! Really well done, and the ending was amazing.

:clap:

damn you !!!!!!!!!!!!

ive been wanting to read it but didnt want to buy it

[MadMatt]

damn you !!!!!!!!!!!!

ive been wanting to read it but didnt want to buy it

If it helps, I used to manage a comic book store and have read thousands of titles in my lifetime. Red Son was a great read, and I am relatively hard to impress.

[chubbyknuckles]

Does anyone on here read COMIC FOUNDRY magazine? If not it's a really good comic industry magazine.

[Gritty]

Just finished vol.3 of the collected series. Fun read with solid art. I'm thinking Robot is going to be bad news at some point.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6541/invincible719315hn0.jpg

Working on vol.1 of 'Anhiliation' and loving it.

[JustJon]

Just finished vol.3 of the collected series. Fun read with solid art. I'm thinking Robot is going to be bad news at some point.


I got the Absolute Edition or whatever they called it of Invincible that covered the first 50 or so issues. Very good series. Kirkman has an interesting take on the superhero thing.

[Tall_James]

Anybody have any idea of what "the return of the '70s heroes" as referenced in this month's Wizard means in the whole "Secret Invasion" storyline?

[Furtherman]

The feds are on to you all.

In 1954, a subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee charged with investigating the causes of juvenile delinquency took on an imminent danger within: the comic-book industry. (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2008/03/31/080331crbo_books_menand)

[Hosp]

Has anyone ever heard of artist Jeff Henderson?

Here's his online portfolio. (http://www.famousframes.com/website/portfolio.php?user_id=67)

My roommate met him at the Wizard World convention in L.A. recently and apparently they're dating.

She mentioned that he worked on the story boards for 30 Days of Night, and mentioned the books he's promoting now that I missed, but I want to do a little research.



Found a link to an interview he and the director did about the subject (http://www.steveniles.com/news/2006/09/28/david-slade-jeff-henderson-talk-30-days-of-night-story-boards)

[Gritty]

Anybody have any idea of what "the return of the '70s heroes" as referenced in this month's Wizard means in the whole "Secret Invasion" storyline?

It can only mean one thing...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2631/brothervoodoopp3.gif

[Knowledged_one]

It can only mean one thing...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2631/brothervoodoopp3.gif

The return of Brother Voodoo..........now we are talking comics

Maybe they can resurrect egghead?

[silas]

I recently got a subscription to Mad for my 12 year old son, expecting that he'd like it as much as I did when I was a kid. He read one, "Eh, it's not funny" and that was it. Won't even look at them as they come in.

I've checked out a few and I have to agree (granted I don't think it's geared towards 48 year olds). No Dave Berg, Don Martin. Movie parodies that aren't witty or funny. I don't think the color adds anything.

Sad.

Even tho i'm only indirectly familiar with many of the 1950's references (Dragnet TV show etc..), i still find the legendary initial Kurtzman issues (MAD ~#1-24?) as good as ANYTHING ever in comic book form;

IIRC, there was an interesting article in the Comics Journal (maybe their "Top 100 comics of all time" issue?---BTW; a recommended read) that suggested that after MAD's "Superduperman", superhero comics had reached their logical conclusion.

Hey, at the least, WallyWood's Lois Lane is still one of the hottest ever girls-in-comix.


PS- add me to the list of "Superman Red son/Sun(?)" resisters who will probably have to finally check it out after all the recommendations posted here.

[MadMatt]

OK - I started reading Transmetropolitan from the beginning. It has been a long time since I read any of the issues and never got to read the whole series, so I just decided to start.

The question is this: How in the hell did Garth Ennis come up with this idea and make such an intriguing, ongoing story out of it?

For those who didn't follow the series, it is about Spider Jerusalem who is a psychotic, brilliant, journalist & anti-hero in a dystopic "near future." It is delightfully absurd, but completely fits. Everything just "works" on a level you will rarely find in literature of any type.

Ennis can be a bit harsh with his language at times (for my taste), but damnit that man can tell a story.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

How in the hell did Garth Ennis come up with this idea and make such an intriguing, ongoing story out of it?


He didn't. Warren Ellis did. As for how, I imagine Hunter S. Thompson was the jumping off point

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Anybody have any idea of what "the return of the '70s heroes" as referenced in this month's Wizard means in the whole "Secret Invasion" storyline?



*Possible spoilers*











What I've read online is along the lines that in the 1st issue the heroes come across a crashed space ship. They open it to find that a bunch of characters in stasis, dressed in the costume designs of the 70's. The implication is that they've been captured and replaced for many years.

[TheMojoPin]

The return of Brother Voodoo..........now we are talking comics

Maybe they can resurrect egghead?

I demand the return of Dr. Bong.

http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/comicSWAT/2.jpg

[EliSnow]

I demand the return of Dr. Bong.

http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/comicSWAT/2.jpg

He showed up during the inital Deadpool series, which I thought was a very entertaining and funny series. I know Deadpool is hated by a lot of people, but I still think the series, when Joe Kelly wrote it, was really good.

[TheMojoPin]

He showed up during the inital Deadpool series, which I thought was a very entertaining and funny series. I know Deadpool is hated by a lot of people, but I still think the series, when Joe Kelly wrote it, was really good.

Well, one of the reasons might be his stealing of Howard the Duck's parody villains. And Howard's genuine humor and replacing it with anti-humor.

Goddamn Deadpool. I just invariably hate all of the "Weapon *Blank*" characters. Except for Fantomex. Fantomex rules all of our faces. Marvel should kill off all of the X-characters and give their titles to Fantomex...and then give him 8 more, because even that wouldn't be enough for his awesomeness.

[EliSnow]

Goddamn Deadpool. I just invariably hate all of the "Weapon *Blank*" characters. Except for Fantomex. Fantomex rules all of our faces. Marvel should kill off all of the X-characters and give their titles to Fantomex...and then give him 8 more, because even that wouldn't be enough for his awesomeness.

You're gay for Fantomex.

[TheMojoPin]

You're gay for Fantomex.

Times infinity.

[JustJon]

Times infinity.

It's just his way of hiding his lust for Kane.


(And guys, if you want to talk about one particular series, like Transmetropolitan, you can start a new thread for that one specific book or it will get lost in this thread)

[TheMojoPin]

Who the hell is Kane? The only one I can think of is the shitty Spider-Clone.

[EliSnow]

Who the hell is Kane? The only one I can think of is the shitty Spider-Clone.

Garrison Kane, also known as Weapon X.

[TheMojoPin]

Garrison Kane, also known as Weapon X.

Is that Wolverine's real name? Jesus Christ, I'm glad I never read Origin.

[EliSnow]

Is that Wolverine's real name? Jesus Christ, I'm glad I never read Origin.

No. Wolverine's real name is James Howlett.

Garrison Kane became Weapon X after Wolverine left the program. Kane has two cybernetic arms, amongst other things.

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