~ Worst Sports Franchise? ~ [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

spoon

12-12-2007, 04:27 PM

For the sake of argument, I'll list one franchise from the top four pro leagues. However, it has to be down to the Knicks and Falcons for sure.

The Falcons have their franchise player and QB in jail eating up a HUGE portion of their salary cap number with his 100 million dollar plus contract. I'm sure the team loved all the press this issue came with, along with losing the starting QB right after finally moving backup Matt Schaub. Now, the team has it's first year coach leave in the middle of the week, in the middle of the year, the day after he promised Arthur he wasn't leaving. Their record is terrible and the future looks worse!

The Knicks have just lost 16.4 million (instead of 16.5 great job Knick lawyers!) in the harassment suit, dealt with that whole debacle in public, countless great trades and drafts and of course our favorite Isiah Thomas! There's so much more, but I'll let everyone else chime in.

For the other leagues, NHL and MLB, it was tougher to pick the worst franchise. In MLB I chose Florida over TB and Nashville bc of it's fans, the way the team is run and the fact that they continually lose all the players they develop.

In the NHL it was between Nashville, Chicago and Pheonix. With Wirtz passing on and the hawks with two young studs turning the team around (Kane and Toews) I had to move on from my disdain for Chicago. I went with Nashville bc of the fans, it's ownership issues and so much more.

cougarjake13

12-12-2007, 04:31 PM

so this is a current worst and not worst of all time ???

Kevin

12-12-2007, 04:33 PM

Knicks...

Snoogans

12-12-2007, 04:36 PM

this is hard for me. Obviously I have a bias in this. And it also depends on how you view it. So I'll try to answer it a few different ways.

In terms of ability to run a franchise and decision and move making, it is unquestionably the Knicks. For how much money they have wasted on contracts and coaches, the fact that they CURRENTLY are paying 33 mllion to coaches who arent even coaching the team right now, the fact that Isiah still has a job, and the just pure not caring about what happens or the fans. Dolan is the worst owner in sports currently.

In terms of fans suffering, it would be a team like the clippers long before the Knicks. The Knicks have at least competed on a yearly basis until just the past few years. Currently Minnisota T Wolves can put in a nice claim in terms of what they have put fans through also.

Overall my answer would have to be Knicks cause I just worst franchise by what the franchise actually does making moves and things. Not neccesarily only the results on the court or field.

cougarjake13

12-12-2007, 04:37 PM

Knicks...

yeh you have to say knicks

the falcons were recently in a nfc championship game and under mora never had a losing season and although it looks bad now, they are in a shitty division where every year whoever finishes last will finish first the next year and the problems they have can be remedied quickly

marlins have won 2 world series in their short existence and yeh they tear down and rebuild each time but it seems to work for them, and with their shitty fan base can you blame them ??

predators really havent been around long enough

spoon

12-12-2007, 04:39 PM

yeh you have to say knicks

the falcons were recently in a nfc championship game and under mora never had a losing season and although it looks bad now, they are in a shitty division where every year whoever finishes last will finish first the next year and the problems they have can be remedied quickly

marlins have won 2 world series in their short existence and yeh they tear down and rebuild each time but it seems to work for them, and with their shitty fan base can you blame them ??

predators really havent been around long enough

Yah but this about RIGHT NOW. Who's in the worst shape right now? Success and past history aside, what teams are in the worst shape in all areas now?

mdr55

12-12-2007, 04:50 PM

NJ Nets

NY/NJ Metrostars

mdr55

12-12-2007, 04:52 PM

NY Jets

and Rutgers next year.:sad:

spoon

12-12-2007, 04:58 PM

NY Jets

and Rutgers next year.:sad:

Come on Marc, the Jets aren't even in the worst shape in their division (miami).

jauble

12-12-2007, 05:02 PM

NY Jets

and Rutgers next year.:sad:

Thats because Rutgers is nothing more than a bunch of nappy headed...of wait Pre-Imus World

mdr55

12-12-2007, 05:07 PM

the Jets aren't even in the worst shape in their division (miami).

Miami wasn't even expected to do anything this year. The Jets got a lot of questions right now. What a big change from a year ago. Same ole Jets.

spoon

12-12-2007, 05:13 PM

Miami wasn't even expected to do anything this year. The Jets got a lot of questions right now. What a big change from a year ago. Same ole Jets.

The point is that Jets look like Apple right now compared to the Falcons.

MHasegawa

12-12-2007, 05:25 PM

Orioles

MHasegawa

12-12-2007, 05:36 PM

In MLB I chose Florida over TB and Nashville

nashville has a baseball franchise?

Id also have to add the islanders to shitty nhl franchises too

IMSlacker

12-12-2007, 05:45 PM

Orioles

Yeah, that would be mine too. Or maybe the Royals.

Dudeman

12-12-2007, 06:08 PM

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/2c/Los_Angeles_Clippers_logo.png

cogsdoc

12-12-2007, 06:19 PM

Of this group of teams, I think you have to go with the Knicks. I mean I may be biased because I hate the NBA in general. But it embarrasses me to have even been a Knicks fan back in the day. Just a collection of losers, thugs, and criminals.:flush:

spoon

12-12-2007, 07:05 PM

nashville has a baseball franchise?

Id also have to add the islanders to shitty nhl franchises too

Oops, funny thing is I meant to put Baltimore their but this recent trade hurts their cause. Not to mention the great stadium, good fans and they hate the spanks.

spoon

12-12-2007, 07:06 PM

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/2c/Los_Angeles_Clippers_logo.png

Over time it would be them listed for the NBA of course, but not at this moment.

epo

12-12-2007, 07:08 PM

JPMNICK

12-12-2007, 07:35 PM

Yah but this about RIGHT NOW. Who's in the worst shape right now? Success and past history aside, what teams are in the worst shape in all areas now?

right now no one is spinning more out of control then the Falcons, here is why.

last year the Knicks sucked, where the Falcons still had Vick, some draft picks coming, and a new coach on the way that was supposed to move them from around .500 to playoff contender. the fans had real hope, not just hometown hope.

the knicks have been awful for a LONG time now. it just does not look as bad because they can sell out just on corporate money

King Hippos Bandaid

12-12-2007, 08:22 PM

Knicks lock it up

Ritalin

12-12-2007, 08:55 PM

The Knicks...and it's the curse of Hue Hollins.

(I'm a Bulls fan still bitter about that call, but you're paying now)

Team_Ramrod

12-13-2007, 06:00 AM

I went with Nashville bc of the fans, it's ownership issues and so much more.

I'll see your Nashville and Raise you a Florida.

Nashville is still fairly young, by no means will they ever be a viable franchise nor will they ever get fan support or win the Cup. So I can see where you are coming from.

But I'll put in Florida. A franchise that gives away tickets at car lots for people who test drive vehicles (and can't even sell out), a franchise who get's rid of Roberto Luongo in his prime, a franchise who is threatening to fire it's head coach/GM and trade away their captain if they don't make the playoffs this year.... They had one good season (96?), before that there was nothing, after that there was nothing.

It's true that Nashville screwed themselves even more by 'going for it all' last year, but at least they made that attempt. Florida is nothing and will continue to be nothing.

cougarjake13

12-13-2007, 01:46 PM

Yeah, that would be mine too. Or maybe the Royals.

nah the orioles are worse

the royals are in a small market and cant keep up financially

orioles spend money and still suck

TeeBone

12-13-2007, 05:34 PM

Bossanova

12-13-2007, 05:47 PM

TeeBone

12-13-2007, 06:40 PM

Their primary color is fucking teal thats why :thumbup:

touché

spoon

12-14-2007, 02:50 AM

How can a team that has won 2 World Series and basically been the farm club for the rest of the league be considered the worst?
That coupled with having the BEST SPORTS MASCOT OF ALL TIME, Billy The Marlin; begs the question, 'What Kinda Dick-Bucket put this poll together?'

Dick-Bucket, really!? Settle down and stop being an asshole bc your team is a fucking joke in all areas. Read the reasoning about this thread and realize that the past has nothing to do with it, it's NOW! Can you read that, it's about what franchise is in the worst shape NOW. Being that I also put other and stated that the MLB and NHL choices weren't sure things, you have plenty of say in changing people's minds. But to think the Marlins are even in the middle of the MLB pack, your just kidding yourself.

K.C.

12-14-2007, 04:34 PM

NFL - Falcons, Dolphins
MLB - Pirates, Marlins
NBA - Knicks

I'd actually go with the Pirates as the worst franchise in professional sports over the Marlins, because the Pirates HAD a fan base and a rich history.

What's happened to that organization is just sad. You can make the argument that what the Marlins do, they do out of necessity, because people don't show up. But the Pirates organization gutted that franchise to the point where it's going to be very difficult to bring those fans back.

If you've ever been to PNC Park, it's like a graveyard.

FUNKMAN

12-14-2007, 05:00 PM

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/938/706285.JPG

heartbreakers!

Snoogans

12-14-2007, 05:19 PM

how sad is it that the knicks have almost double the votes that OTHER FRANCHISE, about 115 other teams, all combined

TeeBone

12-16-2007, 07:51 PM

But to think the Marlins are even in the middle of the MLB pack, your just kidding yourself.

You just don't get it, Spoon. You just don't get it. Perhaps YOUR not able to grasp that.

Old Fitzgerald

12-16-2007, 08:04 PM

I'd have to say the Lions, take away Barry Sanders and there has been no success, and they have been a part of the NFL since almost the beginning.

Snoogans

12-16-2007, 08:05 PM

I'd have to say the Lions, take away Barry Sanders and there has been no success, and they have been a part of the NFL since almost the beginning.

come on, you dont think Scott Mitchell was the shit...Herman Moore. DOMINATION

hahahahaha fuckin lions. Way to waste the back RB in the history of the game

spoon

12-16-2007, 11:09 PM

You just don't get it, Spoon. You just don't get it. Perhaps YOUR not able to grasp that.

Ooo sorry, you're. I forgot TeeBone had his Masters in English, with a focus on 6am posts on message boards. Got me! Zinnnnnnngggggg!

jauble

12-16-2007, 11:16 PM

Ooo sorry, you're. I forgot TeeBone had his Masters in English, with a focus on 6am posts on message boards. Got me! Zinnnnnnngggggg!

sadly spoon's major was not in clock reading

spoon

12-16-2007, 11:43 PM

sadly spoon's major was not in clock reading

No, the post he was correcting was from 6:50am. I think you got it mixed up....unless I missed something?

spoon

12-16-2007, 11:43 PM

If that was a college major, I bet ESD would have been all over it!

Marc with a c

04-08-2008, 02:56 PM

"Absolutely, Positively the Worst Team in the History of Professional Sports"

http://images.nymag.com/news/sports/knicks080414_1_560.jpg

http://nymag.com/news/sports/45787/

cougarjake13

04-08-2008, 05:46 PM

"Absolutely, Positively the Worst Team in the History of Professional Sports"

http://images.nymag.com/news/sports/knicks080414_1_560.jpg

http://nymag.com/news/sports/45787/

sadly

spoon

02-16-2011, 11:52 PM

wow this poll wouldn't even have the same options at this point

Falcons, Nashville and even the Knicks have turned shit around. The Knicks are just getting it started this year (earlier if you can't digging out from under shit contracts) but the future seems pretty bright.

What team do you think deserves it in every league now?

And how the fuck didn't I say Pitt in MLB? WTF?

weekapaugjz

02-17-2011, 12:49 AM

nfl: bills
nhl: islanders? oilers?
mlb: pitt
nba: who the fuck cares

Earlshog

02-17-2011, 05:26 AM

nfl: bills
nhl: islanders? oilers?
mlb: pitt
nba: who the fuck cares

nba Id go with Minnesota

TripleSkeet

02-17-2011, 05:34 AM

Looking back on this, how were the Browns and Lions not options on this poll???

Snacks

02-17-2011, 05:35 AM

Snoogans

02-17-2011, 06:37 AM

nba Id go with Minnesota

its the Cavs. Not only are they terrible, but because of the owners little tirade, they arent going to be gettin any big time FAs anytime soon. You can put the clippers in there too, cause we all know how that is. Blake will be leaving in a year or 2

KnoxHarrington

02-17-2011, 06:42 AM

its the Cavs. Not only are they terrible, but because of the owners little tirade, they arent going to be gettin any big time FAs anytime soon. You can put the clippers in there too, cause we all know how that is. Blake will be leaving in a year or 2

It's obvious Donald Sterling doesn't give a shit about winning with the Clippers, and that he sees them merely as an investment, and will spend only what he must and no more. He runs the Clippers like one of his hellhole apartment complexes: put as little as he can into the team, and if someone complains, get them the hell out.

I do believe they're probably the worst franchise in all sports now, and if the NBA wants to contract, they should go.

Snoogans

02-17-2011, 06:51 AM

It's obvious Donald Sterling doesn't give a shit about winning with the Clippers, and that he sees them merely as an investment, and will spend only what he must and no more. He runs the Clippers like one of his hellhole apartment complexes: put as little as he can into the team, and if someone complains, get them the hell out.

I do believe they're probably the worst franchise in all sports now, and if the NBA wants to contract, they should go.

if the NBA contracts NO is the first team gone cause the NBA owns them

El Mudo

02-17-2011, 06:58 AM

The Clippers, if only for how hideous Donald Sterling is. (http://deadspin.com/#!5263277/the-sordid-life-of-clippers-owner-donald-sterling)

Second place may have to go to the Redskins.

Snoogans

02-17-2011, 07:31 AM

The Clippers, if only for how hideous Donald Sterling is. (http://deadspin.com/#!5263277/the-sordid-life-of-clippers-owner-donald-sterling)

Second place may have to go to the Redskins.

historically in the NBA its the Clippers. But as of right now, this moment, the Clippers are miles ahead of Cleveland. At least LA has some talent, a young star, and excitement. Cleveland has nothing and the prospect of nothing

ozzie

02-17-2011, 09:25 AM

Looking back on this, how were the Browns and Lions not options on this poll???

As much as I love the dumb bastards, you gotta put the V2 Browns up there.

They've done squat since getting their replacement expansion franchise.

Some of the worst hires, picks and FA acquisitions since 1999.

It's a shame they couldn't have re-started with the same leg up that the Jags and Panthers had a few years before.

El Mudo

02-17-2011, 09:36 AM

As much as I love the dumb bastards, you gotta put the V2 Browns up there.

They've done squat since getting their replacement expansion franchise.

Some of the worst hires, picks and FA acquisitions since 1999.

It's a shame they couldn't have re-started with the same leg up that the Jags and Panthers had a few years before.

Hell, they don't even have their rivalry with Pittsburgh any more. Baltimore took that.

KingModem

02-17-2011, 09:39 AM

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/938/706285.JPG

heartbreakers!

I second this. I have finally calloused into apathy because of these effing bastards.

Judge Smails

02-17-2011, 10:05 AM

Bunch of fair weather fans. I, for one, will never give up on my beloved Washington Generals. I think that they're real close to turning it all around and going on a HUGE run.

Snoogans

02-17-2011, 10:12 AM

Bunch of fair weather fans. I, for one, will never give up on my beloved Washington Generals. I think that they're real close to turning it all around and going on a HUGE run.

they won. they broke the streak like 2 months ago. Everything is gay now

Earlshog

02-17-2011, 10:22 AM

its the Cavs. Not only are they terrible, but because of the owners little tirade, they arent going to be gettin any big time FAs anytime soon. You can put the clippers in there too, cause we all know how that is. Blake will be leaving in a year or 2

I went with Minnestoa cause they have been bad for a while now and will be bad for a while...

I agree the Cavs are in worse shape long term but they led the nba in wins last season.

The Clippers ownership is a joke, I feel for anyone who is a fan of that team (this coming from a Knick fan)

Jayw

02-17-2011, 10:25 AM

How can the marlins not be the worst. I think you need to base a franchise a lot on its fan base. The marlins can't fill the stands to save their life. The knicks have sucked but they at least still have a fan base.

Snacks

02-17-2011, 10:34 AM

Jayw

02-17-2011, 10:37 AM

Marlins are competitive and have won 2 WS titles in the last 15 years.

Exactly and they can't get anyone to give a shit. Doesn't that make it even worse...

Snacks

02-17-2011, 10:40 AM

Exactly and they can't get anyone to give a shit. Doesn't that make it even worse...

That would be worst fan base not worst franchise. 2 different things!

CYYYFYYY

02-17-2011, 10:46 AM

Pirates.... They have the most losing seasons in a row and I don;t see them winning any time soon.

Jayw

02-17-2011, 10:51 AM

Pirates.... They have the most losing seasons in a row and I don;t see them winning any time soon.

Cosign on this shit. They have got to be one of the worst baseball teams of the decade hands down.

From wiki , "the Pirates have struggled more recently, with 18 consecutive losing seasons to date, the longest in North American professional sports.[1]"

KnoxHarrington

02-17-2011, 12:34 PM

Cosign on this shit. They have got to be one of the worst baseball teams of the decade hands down.

From wiki , "the Pirates have struggled more recently, with 18 consecutive losing seasons to date, the longest in North American professional sports.[1]"

One of the things that annoys me most about baseball's financial structure is that teams that do pay to have good teams, like the Yankees and Red Sox, have to pay a luxury tax that a garbage franchise like the Pirates or Royals can just pocket, and not put back into the team. There should be a salary floor in MLB so a team like the Pirates can't just get, basically, a welfare check from the Yankees.

cougarjake13

02-17-2011, 04:03 PM

Pirates.... They have the most losing seasons in a row and I don;t see them winning any time soon.

so sad too cause they used to be a great franchise

spoon

02-17-2011, 11:12 PM

One of the things that annoys me most about baseball's financial structure is that teams that do pay to have good teams, like the Yankees and Red Sox, have to pay a luxury tax that a garbage franchise like the Pirates or Royals can just pocket, and not put back into the team. There should be a salary floor in MLB so a team like the Pirates can't just get, basically, a welfare check from the Yankees.

yeah not so much

I don't know how many times I have to dispel this inaccuracy, but it seems NOBODY actually knows what the luxury tax really is/does.

Here you go.

Instead of a salary cap, Major League Baseball implements a luxury tax, an arrangement in which teams whose total payroll exceeds a certain figure (determined annually) are taxed on the excess amount. The tax is paid to the league, which then puts the money into its industry-growth fund.[9][10]

A team that goes over the luxury tax cap for the first time in a five-year period pays a penalty of 22.5% of the amount they were over the cap, second-time violators pay a 30% penalty, and teams that exceed the limit three or more times pay a 40% penalty. The cap limit for 2010 is $170 million, and the cap for 2011 is $178 million.[11]

As of the 2009 season[update], only the Boston Red Sox, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, the Detroit Tigers, and the New York Yankees have paid any luxury tax; the Yankees have contributed to over 95% ($164.1 million) of tax payments, and have been subject to six of the eleven occasions the tax has been implemented.

Money collected under the MLB luxury tax are apportioned as follows: The first $5m is held in reserve, to pay for possible luxury tax refunds. Once it is clear that there are no refunds to be issued, this money is then earmarked for the Industry Growth Fund (IGF). 50% of the remaining money is used to fund player benefits, 25% is used to fund baseball programs in developing countries with no high-school baseball, and 25% is put into the Industry Growth Fund (IGF).

So do you finally see what people (not just Knox by a long shot) claim about the lux tax is simply retarded? :wallbash:

Snacks

02-18-2011, 12:12 AM

Even if the teams got the lux tax from other teams it wouldnt be that much. Your talking about 25 teams splitting lux tax from 3 or 4 teams? Its not like the lux tax is 1 billion a year. As spoon showed they dont even get the lux tax anyway! Pitt cant compete in this league anymore and its sad. Why is baseball the only league that doesnt have some sort of salary cap?

Nothing I hate more about baseball then when pitcher and catchers reports or the start of the season and all the talking heads say "Right now every one has a chance". No they dont. There are about 10 teams that will have a chance and then 2 -4 that surprise people and thats it. Bring it a salary cap and a salary minimum. even if its $70 million min and $150 million max!

spoon

02-18-2011, 12:32 AM

They do get rev sharing but as I have pointed out in the past it's pretty weak compared to any other league. Not to mention that the yankees kept a lot of this too bc they used the clause allowing it based on them building a new stadium.

Revenue-sharing money comes from two pools. One is central fund revenue, which comes from national television and radio deals, Major League Baseball Advanced Media, merchandise sales and the newly formed MLB Network. Each of the 30 clubs got a check for about $30 million in 2009 through this arrangement.

The other pool is the one that has created tension between small- and large-revenue clubs, as it is the one that transfers money between franchises. This pool is made up of net local revenues, such as ticket sales, concessions and media deals that each club negotiates for television and radio. Against that money, each club is hit with a marginal rate of 31 percent, which is applied across the board to each of the 30 clubs. (The only exception comes if a club happens to be in the midst of stadium construction, which temporarily relieves a portion of its local-revenue obligation.)

After all the numbers are added up, money moves from payors (the high revenue clubs) to payees (low revenue clubs). MLB declined to say how many clubs were payors and payees for revenue sharing last year. Baseball's collective bargaining agreement simply says that a team must use its revenue-sharing money "in an effort to improve its performance on the field."

spoon

02-18-2011, 01:03 AM

Recently you heard a ton about the Pirates "pocketing" a ton of money based on rev sharing (lux tax by too many others not informed or too lazy to know what they are talking about). It really shocked me overall bc in the fucking report it shows that if they didn't get the rev sharing they'd STILL lose money and they didn't even clear much. They didn't know how much they'd get, nobody does from year to year. However, I guess Pitt should have spent 15 million a year on one or a few players to get up to 60-65 wins (Yeah!!) and be in the red in a BIG way and not even dig out when the rev sharing comes in. That's what would have happened too. They would have been in the red if they spent that much more.

pocketing $29.3 million in 2007 and '08 combined, years in which they cashed revenue-sharing checks for a whopping $69.3 million.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_sheehan/08/25/pirates.finances/index.html#ixzz1EInpr5wo

So think about that. Until the rev sharing came in, the Pirates were already in the red in 07/08 combined for 40 million. So yes, they did end up taking in 69.3 million from rev sharing from those most popular teams/rev producing teams. If MLB is the overall product, not the yankees, boston and big market teams, if the pirates aren't more productive how can't you blame competitive balance? If they spent even a little more money, they risk losses and stand to gain pretty much nothing. Why not then actually turn a profit and stick it to the other teams until they fix the system.

Being totally honest, I wish the bulk of the teams did this as a stand against yankee pawn Selig and the fucks at the MLBPA that just drive me insane. Those assholes stand to gain more from the floor/ceiling scenario than (75/150 was always my call, very close to Snacks thoughts) a no cap situation. More teams would have to come up versus the very few that would have to pair down. It would be a huge net gain overall.

Based on 2010 payrolls, 12 teams would have to increase payroll, while only 2 would need to come down. Do the math and it's a huge gain for the players overall, we get SOME semblance of competitive balance and the widest margin in payroll possible is well within 100 million dollars. If a team can't hit the suggested floor, fine in the amount making up the difference with the money going to the industry growth fund. You could even make it a soft cap with 175 being the hard cap to placate the asshole yanks again and anything over 150 gets lux taxed.

There are so many ways to fix this league, but it's not happening any time soon unfortunately.

Great breakdown on the system. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_sheehan/08/25/pirates.finances/index.html)

Snoogans

02-18-2011, 05:15 AM

Justice4all

02-18-2011, 03:49 PM

yeah not so much

I don't know how many times I have to dispel this inaccuracy, but it seems NOBODY actually knows what the luxury tax really is/does.

Here you go.

So do you finally see what people (not just Knox by a long shot) claim about the lux tax is simply retarded? :wallbash:

Thanks for pointing that out. I had no idea 25% went to develope baseball in other countries! Does that seem a little excessive? And they just keep putting another 25% back into the fund to use somewhere else?

Wow. Talk about an eye opener

Justice4all

02-18-2011, 03:50 PM

nfl: bills
nhl: islanders? oilers?
mlb: pitt
nba: who the fuck cares

Right now, unless some serious changes are made, I would put NJ Devils in with the Islanders. Very low fan base and now one of the worst teams in the league.

zildjian361

02-18-2011, 04:24 PM

Red Sox

Sinestro

02-18-2011, 05:10 PM

nfl: Bill and Lions
nhl: Sentators and Islanders
mlb: Mariners and the Mets
nba: Nets and the Warriors
messageboards: V3

Snacks

02-18-2011, 05:21 PM

nfl: Bill and Lions
nhl: Sentators and Islanders
mlb: Mariners and the Mets
nba: Nets and the Warriors
messageboards: V3

To call the Nets the worse franchise is foolish. They are one of the greatest franchises from the ABA and have gone to the NBA finals back to back year within the last 7 or 8 years. You might as well call the knicks the worse (which they arent either). The Nets have gone to the playoffs more then the knicks in the last decade and just got Melo (we think). The joke of the NBA has been the Clippers for years.

Same goes for the Mets. The Mets arent the worse franchise in the MLB. The Mets have been competitive for years and went to the WS 10 years ago. They are usually above .500 and have All Stars on their team.

Sinestro

02-18-2011, 05:36 PM

NBA I would go with the Cavs. They are terrible and might be for years!

MLB has to be the Pirates, its a shame but they havent had a .500 record in 10 years or something like that!

NFL Bills

NHL the NYI have been an embarrassment for 10 -15 years!

The Cavs had a good record last year, so how can they be the worst franchise

The Bill went to 4 superbowls. I know they didn't win but still how many teams get there.

The Islanders won 4 Cups in a row regardless of when it was.

And the Nets, sure they were a good ABA franchise, and they did have a couple of good seasons with Kidd but does that negate the rest of the awful years?

The Mets are the Mets, c'mon.

Snoogans

02-18-2011, 05:55 PM

Snacks

02-18-2011, 06:58 PM

The Cavs had a good record last year, so how can they be the worst franchise

The Bill went to 4 superbowls. I know they didn't win but still how many teams get there.

The Islanders won 4 Cups in a row regardless of when it was.

And the Nets, sure they were a good ABA franchise, and they did have a couple of good seasons with Kidd but does that negate the rest of the awful years?

The Mets are the Mets, c'mon.

The Bills went to 4 SB 20 years ago. They have been shit for 10 years now. The Islander have been shit for 15 years now.

The Nets were good at time before Kidd. In the 90's they had some 40-45 wins seasons and went to the playoffs regularly. Like I said, if you are going by recently only then they are shit but the knicks have been even shittier until this year. You can only use recent only if there isnt any other team that is shit for longer. The Clippers have been shit for 30 years. I think they qualified for the playoffs like 3 or 4 times in their entire history? Terrible. The Cavs have always been a shit franchise except with Lebron and a couple of years in the early 90s with Daurghty. Actually we should just say The Indian, Brown and Cavs are the 3 worst because other then a couple years here and there none have won a championship in 50 years. They never had consistent playoff teams and are a shit sports city. Its sad because I root for the Browns a little because they were my dads fav team!

sailor

02-18-2011, 07:59 PM

the isles went to the playoffs 4 of the last 8 years that had playoffs.

ozzie

02-18-2011, 08:07 PM

Actually we should just say The Indian, Brown and Cavs are the 3 worst because other then a couple years here and there none have won a championship in 50 years. They never had consistent playoff teams and are a shit sports city. Its sad because I root for the Browns a little because they were my dads fav team!

I already cast a vote for the V2 Browns, and I'm not going to argue about the Cavs, having attended some of the awful early 80's teams out in the Richfield Coliseum with World B. Free...

But, c'mon. Since the '94 strike, the Indians have averaged over 84 wins per year, and took the Sox to game 7 of the ALCS only 4 years ago. By far, not the worst MLB franchise, especially compared to some of the other "small market" teams.

weekapaugjz

02-18-2011, 09:10 PM

Right now, unless some serious changes are made, I would put NJ Devils in with the Islanders. Very low fan base and now one of the worst teams in the league.

no way would the devils be in that category. this year, yeah sure they suck, but most years fill a competitive team.

weekapaugjz

02-18-2011, 09:13 PM

The Bill went to 4 superbowls. I know they didn't win but still how many teams get there.

The Islanders won 4 Cups in a row regardless of when it was.

last time the bills were in the superbowl was 93! they haven't come close to shit in forever. they haven't been in the playoffs for a DECADE.

and the last time the islanders won was 84. i was fucking 2 years old. keithy wasn't even a twinkle in his father's eye yet...

spoon

02-19-2011, 12:19 AM

no way would the devils be in that category. this year, yeah sure they suck, but most years fill a competitive team.

not to mention their turnaround this year alone is quite impressive

JL is such a good coach and man was BM terrible

spoon

02-19-2011, 12:20 AM

last time the bills were in the superbowl was 93! they haven't come close to shit in forever. they haven't been in the playoffs for a DECADE.

and the last time the islanders won was 84. i was fucking 2 years old. keithy wasn't even a twinkle in his father's eye yet...

To be fair, keithy always was and always will be a twinkle.

Snoogans

02-19-2011, 07:50 AM

no way would the devils be in that category. this year, yeah sure they suck, but most years fill a competitive team.

the devils have won like 19 of 21 games too. They arent even that bad

Snacks

02-19-2011, 08:22 AM

the devils have won like 19 of 21 games too. They arent even that bad

I hope they continue this hot streak and make the playoffs maybe even by knocking out the rangers. I would love the hear Boomer Esiason crying like a little bitch after all the shit he talks this year. He has talked so much about how the NYR are a great team and the Devils are a joke..... Yeah this was a bad year for the Devil but the Devil are 10 times the franchise the NYR are. They can live off of their original NHL status and that they play in the garden, great blow me. How many titles you got in 50 years? Devils have been 1 of the best franchises in hockey the last 15-20 years. They actually should have more titles but for some reason when they were a high seed a few times they got knocked out very early when they should have or could have won another title! Lets not forget 1994 the Devils could have and should beat the NYR and went for another title.

furie

02-19-2011, 01:53 PM

it's a tie:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TQ_rpb4yhbs/TL2wgfzZaRI/AAAAAAAAAF0/D1uqTzu2utI/s1600/1918_BUFFALO_SABRES_LOGO_edited.jpg

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_ucf/files/2010/04/BuffaloBills.jpg

newport king

02-19-2011, 02:50 PM

MLB, alot of people are leaning pittsburgh, but they've won 5 world series, and play in one of the nicest parks. my vote?

http://mklasing.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/houston_astros2.jpg

never won a WS. a close second would be San Diego.

NBA
http://toughsledding.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/cavs.png

NHL
too many pictures to put up: Ducks, Coyotes, Predators, Wild, Lightning, Panthers, Thrashers, and the Blues can suck a dick too.
Too many teams with stupid uniforms.

NFL
http://static.technorati.com/10/07/28/15439/New-Orleans-Saints.jpg
here's why. they're stadium is a piece of shit. they were in a division with the falcons, rams and 49ers for almost 20 years! and never did anything. I don't care what they did last year. I'm not in love with them like everyone else. Fuck the Saints.

Justice4all

02-19-2011, 09:12 PM

NFL
http://static.technorati.com/10/07/28/15439/New-Orleans-Saints.jpg
here's why. they're stadium is a piece of shit. they were in a division with the falcons, rams and 49ers for almost 20 years! and never did anything. I don't care what they did last year. I'm not in love with them like everyone else. Fuck the Saints.

Multiple years in the Playoffs. Their whole stadium and city was devastated from Hurricane Katrina and they still go on a few years later to win the super bowl.

You've got to be kidding me. They are a FAR FAR cry from the 'Aints we knew and laughed at.

Justice4all

02-19-2011, 09:13 PM

JL is such a good coach

HOF worthy

spoon

02-20-2011, 02:17 PM

I hope they continue this hot streak and make the playoffs maybe even by knocking out the rangers. I would love the hear Boomer Esiason crying like a little bitch after all the shit he talks this year. He has talked so much about how the NYR are a great team and the Devils are a joke..... Yeah this was a bad year for the Devil but the Devil are 10 times the franchise the NYR are. They can live off of their original NHL status and that they play in the garden, great blow me. How many titles you got in 50 years? Devils have been 1 of the best franchises in hockey the last 15-20 years. They actually should have more titles but for some reason when they were a high seed a few times they got knocked out very early when they should have or could have won another title! Lets not forget 1994 the Devils could have and should beat the NYR and went for another title.

Yah well that original six thing is complete bullshit anyway. Still, the Devs have plenty of issues as an org, it's usually not the results on the ice. Yah I know that's the main goal, but attendance, interest and so many other factors are a part of the overall running of an organization. The league will be much better off if BOTH teams are going well, just the Devs came late to the party in the ny metro area for the northern side of NJ, and Philly has the southern side NJ market cornered to say the least.

The other issue the Devs run into is in the way they won. Yah sure true fans will be all for it and understand winning is key no matter how you get there. However, the trap/dump and chase low scoring game is not going to blow up your franchise as if they did it winning like the Oiler teams in the past. Saying the Rangers are a bad franchise is simply odd to me. I'm no fan but they've been plenty good since Sather was forced not to just spend bc in the NHL you can't use the MLB formula. You absolutely need grit, power, toughness and more than pure scoring across lines and d pairings. It's another reason I love the game. Teams almost NEVER win without some amazingly unselfish PK specialists, grit 3rd/4th liners, faceoff specialist and so much more.

disneyspy

02-20-2011, 02:42 PM

how the fuck are the detroit lions not on this list?

theyve been drafting 1st or second for decades

spoon

02-20-2011, 02:57 PM

Yah but this about RIGHT NOW. Who's in the worst shape right now? Success and past history aside, what teams are in the worst shape in all areas now?

Reminder, this was my criteria for the vote in the past. So people making a claim for teams really on a downturn and the future looks very bleak are on the right path (Cavs). Those saying the Pirates are fine bc they have won in the distant past are talking historic worst, different topic completely. Feel free to discuss it all, but for the sake of this argument/thread/discussion, I'm looking for who everyone feels is the worst in each area RIGHT NOW and moving forward.

These are my picks going into 2011, many years after the original thread. I find it really interesting to see just how bad some teams have got, how others improved drastically and those that are still in the discussion still. They may not be the worst, but man to be close every time we spark this thread up should be embarrassing to the owners, players, management and cities alike. The only sport I give leeway is MLB bc it's run sooo improperly some teams simply don't have a shot or very little.

MLB: Pirates Some might argue the O's, but they've always had Camden Yards and the future there looks pretty solid. Love some of their moves and younger arms close to coming up so they are out of the race easy in my mind. KC has a very good farm system right now and should only get better soon. They'll NEVER spend at the top levels, but they just fixed up their stadium, have some great/loyal fans and unfortunately will lose their top players when it comes to paying them. Until the league gets a better overall system looking at what is best for MLB and not the top teams, they'll always be in the picture bc of it but not to the level of the Pirates.

They too have a great fan base, and an even better stadium, but they lose/ship players way quicker, lose a ton more games every year and have done it for a LOT longer. Their farm system should be fucking unreal at this point, but it isn't even close to KC's. They are easily the worst in my mind, even with Florida having trouble supporting one team, let alone two. The difference maker there is a weird factor called success.

NBA: Tougher call here for me not being a huge fan but it comes down a team bad forever and seemingly not caring and the team currently in major flux linked to some really dumb moves in the press by the ownership. What also makes it tough to me is that the NBA is usually a league of haves and have nots. There are so many TERRIBLE teams and a few teams at the top almost win every night. This league is like the US of late, not much of a middle class overall. It has a ton to do with a few top players on any team can dominate unlike pretty much any other major sport. So here I'll defer to those who know the sport better than I and go Cavs. The way they handled LeBron, how bad they were before and now even worse after and the fact they never really got him that second piece when they had him wins the race for me. Plus, it's fucking Cleveland. The future isn't looking bright in any way.

spoon

02-20-2011, 03:02 PM

NFL: This to me is the TOUGHEST call overall. Here are my players for this honor. Buffalo, Cincy, Washington, Minny, Cleveland, Oakland, Denver, Zona and Detroit. Yes some are clearly out pretty quick, but there are reasons I put them in the conversation.

Denver clearly doesn't belong when opening up the time frame but man has the organization taken a HUGE step into shitdom. Yes shitdom bc they pushed out two top players due to a huge disaster in signing a young coach clearly not ready for the spot but surely willing to fight everyone in his path. Also they now have everything linked to God's favorite qb and a coach who won fucking 2 games just this year as the game seems to be "passing" him by.

Minny too has some been a mess bc of some stupid personal/coaching moves of late and recent past (Farve, chilly and some more). Who is going to qb this team next year? Frazier can't be the answer at HC can he? And we all know how f'd up their stadium is right now. Lucky the people of Louisiana didn't have to seek refuge in this dome with Catrina bearing down. So yes they aren't quite as bad off as some others, but man is the org a mess overall of late. What a difference a year makes huh?

Arizona is in the discussion bc to me they've only had a Kurt Warner hiatus from possibly BEING the worst both times we argued about this. Bc of Warner, their stadium and pretty recent runs they aren't in the main discussion. Still I could easily see someone wanting to put them in the discussion here.

Detroit would normally be a sure fire top 3 here if not for some real good play under their coach last year in my mind, especially on offense. If their young qb can stay healthy I see them being at least in the picture for playoff contention. That would be a HUGE step for them, but Suh and others will need to fix that GAPING hole on defense.

Now for the contenders!

spoon

02-20-2011, 03:24 PM

Some would argue with me on Oakland bc they FINALLY hit .500 for a season, but come on, they just fired the coach that got them to the mark and Al Davis is still there. While I finally liked a draft class of theirs for the first time in years (2009), I simply can't take the team out of the running based on one year of not losing to normal levels. Let's remember, they still haven't had a winning season in how long? More shakeup with coaching and no qb still keeps this team in a shitty holding pattern until they address both issues. I don't put them dead last, but man they are in the hunt every fucking year. They last made the playoffs in 2002.

Cleveland, arguably the most pathetic city for the top four sports overall (no NHL but their AHL team is actually good for the first time ever), is awful year in and year out. Here Holmgren hopes to turn it around by firing the Mangini, so the change comes a year late and Mike wasted a year that could have been used with a new coach. The team has only made the playoffs twice since 1990 (1994 & 2002) and simply is a mess overall at seemingly every major position on the field and behind the whistle. Not sure how they didn't win here for me, but maybe bc it's Cleveland and I just expect them to be shit. I hardly notice them, and I'm not trying to rip them either.

Washington is on this list bc they really shouldn't be. If it wasn't for Snyder I think this team would be much better, as he simply shouldn't be so involved, or at all based on his past. The guy is a running joke and his Shanahan pick ups simply crack me up. Tie into this an elderly qb fighting an long-time shitty one for the starting rights and you've got yourself a whole lot of issues at some major positions on and off the field there. Let's also not forget the Haynesworth fun every other week. Still, they do find ways to win and stay competitive here and there and have a rabid fan base backing them at all turns. It's just not right to put them there but I couldn't pass up the chance to rip them just for PB!

spoon

02-20-2011, 03:59 PM

So for me it comes down to two teams, Buffalo and yes, Cincinnati.

Both have a history of losing to NFC powerhouses (they helped build) in the Super Bowl. Both finished 4-12 last year and missed the playoffs. For the Bills it was the 11th straight year and they've made the playoffs overall 17 times. Yet the Bengals have only made it 9 times...since 1968 (including a few years in the AFL). The Bills have 8 more years in it's sample size, but the Bengals would have to win every year just to even up.

To me these organizations both have iffy (Gailey in Buf), if not SHITTY ones of late (Lewis in Cincy). However I think the Bills have more upside currently, less issues with it's players in legal trouble and I simply respect the past of Ralph Wilson in helping mold the NFL as it is today (real rev sharing) and keeping the AFL afloat with 0% loans to other teams out of his own pocket. Yes the latter of that rundown is in the past, but I just think both teams are fucking awful, play in tough divisions overall and have little true hope moving forward. I guess it's all the extra bullshit with the Bengals, the fact that I think the Bills are trending a little better right now and the difference in owner philosophy.

Read this rundown on Mike Brown and the Bengals.

Since Brown became owner, the team has had only 2 winning seasons out of 20 and have a winning percentage of .361 (115-204-1) in the regular season and .000 (0-2) in the playoffs.[24] In 2008, the Bengals set a record for the most games needed under one specific owner to attain 100 wins (288). In 2010, the team set a record for the least games needed to lose 200 (both considering and not considering playoffs) under one specific owner (314).[25]

The Bengals hold a number of distinctions for the time frame of Brown's ownership: It is the only team with three nine-game-or-more losing streaks.[26] It also holds six of the twenty-five 0-6 starts (24%)[27] and four of the thirteen 0-8 starts (31%) in that time.[28] The Bengals have gone winless in October eight different times in twenty years under five different head coaches (Sam Wyche was originally hired by Paul Brown).

So yah, Cincinnati is my pick right now despite last year's anomaly. Sure the Bills are close, if not arguably worse, but I just think the Bengals are a complete JOKE of a franchise from start to finish.

spoon

02-20-2011, 04:34 PM

NHL: To me this has to be the Islanders. The Preds now make the playoffs almost every year and surely have sured up it's ownership/financial issues. Same goes for Phoenix here as well. The Isles have some just awful contracts at any moment in time (Yashin, now Dipietro) and fans have long suffered under the likes of Maloney, Millbury, Smith and the Snow/Wang combo. Fuck, they even gave us one of the worst logos in NHL history and still have the worst arena HANDS DOWN.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/New_York_Islanders_logo_%281995%E2%80%9397%29.svg/500px-New_York_Islanders_logo_%281995%E2%80%9397%29.svg. png

Don't worry though, Fred Wilpon has their back! AHAHAhahahaahahha! They can call it the Madoff Arena.

Citi Arena... (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/sports/13wilpon.html?_r=2):lol:

That being said, I'd love them to move there and not end up in KC.

disneyspy

02-20-2011, 04:37 PM

spoon,judging by the continuous posts you've had in this thread it makes me think you're afraid to admit that the red wings are the greatest modern day sports franchise we have

Snacks

02-20-2011, 05:40 PM

spoon,judging by the continuous posts you've had in this thread it makes me think you're afraid to admit that the red wings are the greatest modern day sports franchise we have

You are doing drugs or watching too many pro Detroit, Eminem commercials?!

disneyspy

02-20-2011, 05:51 PM

You are doing drugs or watching too many pro Detroit, Eminem commercials?!

oh please,i think the lions owned by the ford family are the worst franchise in history

i also think the reason why the fords wont put a quality football team on the field is because they think it will hurt car sales in certain regions of the country if their team starts to build resentments with certain fans

Snoogans

02-20-2011, 06:09 PM

oh please,i think the lions owned by the ford family are the worst franchise in history

i also think the reason why the fords wont put a quality football team on the field is because they think it will hurt car sales in certain regions of the country if their team starts to build resentments with certain fans

that might be the most retarded thing i ever heard. Nobody buys fords cause they suck, it has nothing to do with the lions

disneyspy

02-20-2011, 06:16 PM

its not retarded,the fords do all kinds of marketing surveys and im sure they wouldnt do anything that would hurt sells

Sinestro

02-20-2011, 06:19 PM

its not retarded,the fords do all kinds of marketing surveys and im sure they wouldnt do anything that would hurt sells

Then why even own the team. Makes no sense. I don't even associate Ford with the Lions.

disneyspy

02-20-2011, 06:20 PM

Then why even own the team. Makes no sense. I don't even associate Ford with the Lions.

then their plan is working on you

disneyspy

02-20-2011, 06:21 PM

and even with shitty attendance the lions make money

Sinestro

02-20-2011, 06:22 PM

then their plan is working on you

If the Lions were a good team, then the sales of Grey Fords would increase.

Justice4all

02-20-2011, 09:38 PM

The league will be much better off if BOTH teams are going well, just the Devs came late to the party in the ny metro area for the northern side of NJ, and Philly has the southern side NJ market cornered to say the least.

Totally agree. I think the 94 playoffs were some of the best playoff hockey I had ever seen. Even though, as a Devils fan, I hate watching the Rangers win that was some amazing hockey to watch. I was on the edge of my seat every game.

spoon

02-21-2011, 10:27 AM

Totally agree. I think the 94 playoffs were some of the best playoff hockey I had ever seen. Even though, as a Devils fan, I hate watching the Rangers win that was some amazing hockey to watch. I was on the edge of my seat every game.

I'm sure you had on an extra tight kid's Gap sized Rangers jersey cheering them on! Like the Jets this year...woooooo ohhhhh ohhhaooooh! Hey, Hey, hey hey hey!

spoon

02-21-2011, 10:27 AM

Then why even own the team. Makes no sense. I don't even associate Ford with the Lions.

this

KnoxHarrington

02-21-2011, 10:36 AM

and even with shitty attendance the lions make money

I think this is why they suck, kind of. The Ford Family just sees the Lions as a part of their vast empire, and they make money, so why fuck with them. It's a very neglectful ownership situation.

It's kind of the opposite of the situation in Washington, where Lil' Danny Snyder sees the team as an expression of his ego, and invests a great deal of his own self-image in their success, or lack thereof. So he exercises a great deal of direct control over the team, and fucks things up.

I really don't know which is worse in the end: the owner who doesn't care if the team wins as long as they're profitable, or the tyrannical owner who is obsessed with winning and is sure that he can whip the team into shape. The results seem to be pretty much the same.

disneyspy

02-21-2011, 10:38 AM

I think this is why they suck, kind of. The Ford Family just sees the Lions as a part of their vast empire, and they make money, so why fuck with them. It's a very neglectful ownership situation.

It's kind of the opposite of the situation in Washington, where Lil' Danny Snyder sees the team as an expression of his ego, and invests a great deal of his own self-image in their success, or lack thereof. So he exercises a great deal of direct control over the team, and fucks things up.

I really don't know which is worse in the end: the owner who doesn't care if the team wins as long as they're profitable, or the tyrannical owner who is obsessed with winning and is sure that he can whip the team into shape. The results seem to be pretty much the same.

this is better

spoon

02-21-2011, 11:13 AM

It really depends on the owner and the sport to me bc Cuban is at least a very entertaining guy and likable usually. In the NHL and NFL it takes more than just high priced free agents to winning, as team chemistry, hustle/grinder types are huge and coaching is much more important. In the NBA and MLB you can win by spending and or having just a few big names (NBA) dominate despite those other factors. If Snyder owned and NBA or MLB team I BET they'd be pretty good, but the NFL and NHL are so team oriented it's just not that simple an endeavor.

A.J.

02-21-2011, 11:32 AM

If Snyder owned and NBA or MLB team I BET they'd be pretty good, but the NFL and NHL are so team oriented it's just not that simple an endeavor.

Snyder would be like mid 80s to mid 90s George Steinbrenner: spending lots of money on big names for short-term gain without building a team for long-term endurance.

Oh wait - he's already done that with his football team.

spoon

02-21-2011, 11:57 AM

Snyder would be like mid 80s to mid 90s George Steinbrenner: spending lots of money on big names for short-term gain without building a team for long-term endurance.

Oh wait - he's already done that with his football team.

Yet if he owned the Wizards or Nats, and signed the likes of LeBron/Wade or CC/AJ/Soriano/Tex/Petitie you'd see a much different result.

A.J.

02-21-2011, 12:06 PM

Yet if he owned the Wizards or Nats, and signed the likes of LeBron/Wade or CC/AJ/Soriano/Tex/Petitie you'd see a much different result.

Not really: he'd still be squeezing the fan base for every penny possible.

spoon

02-21-2011, 12:11 PM

Not really: he'd still be squeezing the fan base for every penny possible.

well yah that part wouldn't change

still, he'd win a whole lot more.

Justice4all

02-21-2011, 08:25 PM

I'm sure you had on an extra tight kid's Gap sized Rangers jersey cheering them on! Like the Jets this year...woooooo ohhhhh ohhhaooooh! Hey, Hey, hey hey hey!

I was rooting for the Devils doofus.
And man I hope you never get out of shape or you're in for one hell of an ass-whoopin'

Snoogans

02-21-2011, 08:26 PM

New Jersey Nets

KnoxHarrington

02-25-2011, 05:19 PM

I'm gonna have to nominate the New York Mets, based largely on gems like this:

Major League Baseball made a short-term, $25 million loan in November to the owners of the New York Mets in order to shore up the team's liquidity, the Daily News has learned.

Fred and Jeff Wilpon and their partner, Saul Katz, are fighting a massive lawsuit by the trustee representing the victims of Bernie Madoff's epic Ponzi scheme, and have said they are seeking an investor to purchase 20% to 25% of the team, valued last year by Forbes at $838 million.

The loan is expected to be repaid within months, according to sources familiar with the transaction.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2011/02/25/2011-02-25_major_league_baseball_gave_mets_owners_a_25m_sh ortterm_loan_in_november_as_madof.html#ixzz1F1l6KI 2x

Seriously, it makes you realize how unfair the line that the Yankees just win because they're lucky enough to be in New York is. You'd think the Mets would have just as many advantages as the Yankees, certainly that they'd have the same potential earnings. But they suck, and apparently their owners were in bed with one of the biggest thieving scumbags around.

What a piece of garbage this franchise is.

Snacks

02-25-2011, 05:47 PM

I'm gonna have to nominate the New York Mets, based largely on gems like this:

Seriously, it makes you realize how unfair the line that the Yankees just win because they're lucky enough to be in New York is. You'd think the Mets would have just as many advantages as the Yankees, certainly that they'd have the same potential earnings. But they suck, and apparently their owners were in bed with one of the biggest thieving scumbags around.

What a piece of garbage this franchise is.

I disagree. when there is 2 teams in a major city the 2nd team always struggles and doesnt have the same "luck" as the other team. Its even harder for team 2 because everything they do is overshadowed by team 1 no matter what. Perfect examples. NY Knicks, NJ Nets. Even when the Nets went to 2 straight titles and the knicks missed the playoffs for years the nets still had an uphill battle. NY Mets, NY Yanks. La Clippers, LA Lakers etc. NJ Devils, NY Rangers and the NY Jets and Giants. The huge markets that have 2 teams will always have the big brother looking down at little brother. The Devils are 10 times the better franchise then the rangers have been the past 15 years. Who gets all the props and respect? Its still easier for the Rangers to sign free agents then the Devils. The closest it has eve come to being reversed was in 1986 the Mets owned NY but that was short lived and more recently the Jets have inch closer if not overtaken (at least with the media which is just as important when talking about this) the Giants as the NY area team! But even if the Jets did take over it wont last forever.

So after all that NY does have advantages to signing players and selling tickets. But only if you are team 1, team 2 will struggle like they are in a small market!