what cities most diserve a baseball team

[patsopinion]

i fucking hate the management of both of the florida franchises
the two place i can think of off the top of my head that better deserve teams then these two fuck head franchises and the market for the product are Sacramento and Oklahoma city
and i would also maybe put san jose on that list if the a's stay in Oakland
if they move to freemont then it might be to close but other wise



anyway
which cities deserve a baseball team?

[lleeder]

I think a team in Oklahoma city would bomb. (tragedy+time)

[FUNKMAN]

Bangalore - why not, they're outsourcing everything else

[patsopinion]

I think a team in Oklahoma city would bomb. (tragedy+time)

insert 911/yankees joke here









(dick)

[TheMojoPin]

NO MORE.

Teams need to be eliminated, not moved or more added.

[DolaMight]

I think a 300mag/30-O6 offers the best protection for your money.

[underdog]

You hate the management of the teams? Isn't the problem the city, not the management?

[patsopinion]

a nba team in china would work
a mlb team in tokoyo


my argument would be for this in the condition that the team shouldn't have to travel all year
first half the year at home-load up all series back to back to limit travel time for opponents
get one of those really fast jets to fly out of denver and all teams connect through there and have the jet be dedicated for the team to limit lay overs

i wouldnt be against it under those circumstances
playoffs would be a logistical nightmare but whatever

[patsopinion]

You hate the management of the teams? Isn't the problem the city, not the management?

i hate that the teams are overly influenced by the shitty cities they are in
if its not a baseball city/ why is there a team there?

[FUNKMAN]

cities are built on rock n roll, not sports teams...

[underdog]

i hate that the teams are overly influenced by the shitty cities they are in
if its not a baseball city/ why is there a team there?

I'm assuming they thought it could be a baseball city.

And the owners are still making money. But in order to keep making money, they need to keep their payrolls down.

[TheMojoPin]

a get one of those really fast jets

Uh-oh...

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/pictures/flames1.jpg

[patsopinion]

I'm assuming they thought it could be a baseball city.

And the owners are still making money. But in order to keep making money, they need to keep their payrolls down.

they are making money because of the luxury tax that the yankees pay to the other teams

[Snoogans]

seriously. TOO MANY TEAMS. Thats why games are getting shitty. Not enough talent. No sports should have more then 24 teams

[DolaMight]

seriously. TOO MANY TEAMS. Thats why games are getting shitty.

That and the fact they're playing baseball.

[TheMojoPin]

CULL THE TEAMS.

Blue Jays, any Florida team, the Diamondbacks, the Rockies, the Nationals...DEAD.

If any "new" teams are needed, move some out of California.

[K.C.]

San Jose is pretty much an add-on to the Giants fan base, and while I like the idea of another heartland team, Oklahoma City would probably end up like Kansas City.

The most ideal, IDEAL spot for a MLB team would be Havana...but we all know the hang-ups there, so let's not hold out breath.

Really, I'm not sure if there's another market that could support one in the U.S. Some of the names we always hear floated are:

-Las Vegas- It'd be interesting. I'm sure they'd put slot machines in the concourse of the stadium for one. I think they'd draw fairly well in terms of people who are in from out of down wanting to see their team play on the road, but I'm not sure there's a huge desire from the people who live there for one.

-Portland- They've got the Trail Blazers and that's it. I think it's big enough to support another franchise, and if they stuck the team in the AL West, they'd form an instant rivalry with Seattle, and I think the fans in Oregon would turn out for it. The question is if it's a big enough market or not.

-Brooklyn- People always say they've had enough of New York teams driving the media, but honestly, I think the city could support another team, and you could play up the historic angle of a franchise coming back. I have no idea where the hell they'd put the stadium and both the Steinbrenners and Wilpons would fight to death to keep that team out.

-San Antonio- Similar boat with Portland. I think they'd produce a fanbase, but not sure if there's enough people to in the area to sustain it.

-Monterry, Mexico- I think this is a potential huge hotbed for baseball. Unlike San Juan, there's enough people there to sustain it. They'd have to build a dome, though, because it'll be way too fucking hot in Monterry. Biggest issue here wouldn't be interest, it'd be determing if it was economically viable.

-San Juan, PR- They tried it, it turned out intially, but they can't support it long-term.

-Vancouever, British Columbia, Canada- If MLB takes another adventure into Canada, this place, not Montreal, may be their best hope. It's a big enough market, and Canadian once bought into baseball. The question would be whether it's so far removed from the scene up there that they just don't care.



Of all of them, Monterrey seems the best bet to me.

[K.C.]

CULL THE TEAMS.

Blue Jays, any Florida team, the Diamondbacks, the Rockies, the Nationals...DEAD.

If any "new" teams are needed, move some out of California.


I think the Blue Jays and Nationals are fine...the real test on the Rockies will be whether success will finally push them in the right direction. The teams I'd kill are:
-Kansas City- sucks, because it's got some history, but I don't think baseball will be viable there.
-Pittsburgh- There's so many things wrong with the franchise, just sell and move it to anywhere it'll actually receive attention. Again, I'd hesitate because of the history, but fuck it...gone.
-Tampa Bay- Sorry Fez
-Florida- This one's obvious.

I'm not quite ready to kill Arizona yet, but they're on notice.

[Snoogans]

lets relegate, like pirier league. 24 MLB teams, 10 teams in AAAA then the minors, and move teams back and forth based on performance

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I think 2 teams should be subtracted

Kansas City

Toronto (sorry spoon)

:king:

[patsopinion]

I think 2 teams should be subtracted

Kansas City

Toronto (sorry spoon)

:king:

everyones bagging on toronto
they are in a tough devision and they do not have the attandance problems that both of the florida teams do
its fucking disgusting what florida has done
they couldnt give away tickets against major market teams this year
ive been to more populated tee ball games


toronto looses but we should all be thankful that they are there (red sox/yanks fans)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

everyones bagging on toronto
they are in a tough devision and they do not have the attandance problems that both of the florida teams do
its fucking disgusting what florida has done
they couldnt give away tickets against major market teams this year
ive been to more populated tee ball games


toronto looses but we should all be thankful that they are there (red sox/yanks fans)


Toronto is Un-American

This isn't the Canadian Pastime


I can revise

Kansas City and Florida get the fuck out of the MLB



:king:

[Bossanova]

The Rays should have never become a franchise. The Marlins (as much as the owner sucks) have won two World Series in the last 10 years, so its hard to argue them being around. It is also hard to sell out a football stadium for 81 games in the pooring rain with noone to watch. There would be plenty of people to watch their games, but the owner needs to go not the team.

[TheMojoPin]

The Rays should have never become a franchise. The Marlins (as much as the owner sucks) have won two World Series in the last 10 years, so its hard to argue them being around. It is also hard to sell out a football stadium for 81 games in the pooring rain with noone to watch. There would be plenty of people to watch their games, but the owner needs to go not the team.

Not just the rain, bt the ridiculous heat and humidity. If they got a domed stadium in a better location, they'd seem a lot better.

[Hottub]

I despise ALL domed teams. In any sport. Ground rules if a fly ball hits the rigging, etc. Give me a break.
I was even glad the Giants didn't get a dome, even if we will never host a Super Bowl.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't have a problem with domed baseball teams since the game can be called because of weather. Domed football is inexcusable.

[patsopinion]

I despise ALL domed teams. In any sport. Ground rules if a fly ball hits the rigging, etc. Give me a break.
I was even glad the Giants didn't get a dome, even if we will never host a Super Bowl.

what about hockey? and basketball?

dome everything
everything
the outdoors will soon be unbearable, everything should be domed

[underdog]

I know everyone thinks contraction would be a great idea, but there's no way it ever happens. It hurts way too many people's wallets to take away teams.

[Snoogans]

fuck domes. And btw, a superbowl coming to giants stadium would be second only to a NY olympics as the worst possible nightmare. I will go away for that entire week if it ever happens just to not have to deal with the traffic and stupid tourists

[patsopinion]

fuck domes. And btw, a superbowl coming to giants stadium would be second only to a NY olympics as the worst possible nightmare. I will go away for that entire week if it ever happens just to not have to deal with the traffic and stupid tourists

more foren tourists.... eeeeeeeeewwwwwww

[Marc with a c]

jerusalem

[patsopinion]

jerusalem

yea because there isnt already enough sandy kofax worship

[Hottub]

Tuesday, 12/4/07 8:34pm.

Pat made a funny.:clap:

[epo]

I despise ALL domed teams. In any sport. Ground rules if a fly ball hits the rigging, etc. Give me a break.
I was even glad the Giants didn't get a dome, even if we will never host a Super Bowl.

I don't have a problem with domed baseball teams since the game can be called because of weather. Domed football is inexcusable.

I've got a solution: The Retractable Roof stadium.

Seriously, it's a pretty sweet deal for a baseball game. You always get a game and 90% of the time the roof is open.

[patsopinion]

I've got a solution: The Retractable Roof stadium.

Seriously, it's a pretty sweet deal for a baseball game. You always get a game and 90% of the time the roof is open.

yea and you only gotta add 70 mil to a 300mil dollar already domed stadium

[scottinnj]

NO MORE.

Teams need to be eliminated, not moved or more added.


QF to the Motherfucking T


Let's start with the Marlins and the Devil Rays. Gaaaay!

[scottinnj]

I despise ALL domed teams. In any sport. Ground rules if a fly ball hits the rigging, etc. Give me a break.
I was even glad the Giants didn't get a dome, even if we will never host a Super Bowl.



God I hate that. Boohoo if we have a cloudy camera lens during the Superbowl if it rains or snows. The last two games at Pittsburgh, now that was some great football weather.

[Hottub]

Remember when they were talking about throwing us a bone the season after September 11th? Let New York celebrate the Super Bowl. The fucking advertisers and suits squashed that one real fast.
Scumbags!!

[epo]

yea and you only gotta add 70 mil to a 300mil dollar already domed stadium

The final number on Miller Park was $392 Million. So I would guess that would be about $400-450 now.

Still, not a bad deal.

[jauble]

Perhaps take cities that sell well with their minor league teams and switch them up with florida or kansas city. I really dont think baseball does that well in places where spring training happens because some of the locals have had alliances to the teams that have always trained there. That said lets throw a few more teams at california or NYC:thumbdown:.

[A.J.]

NO MORE.

Teams need to be eliminated, not moved or more added.

:clap:

[chubbyknuckles]

Even though the pitfalls are high, Vegas would be a great place to have a team. And it would do good just because people could go bet on the game, take a cab over and watch it live, with vested interest even if it wasn't for thier teams.

[RhinoinMN]

I've got a solution: The Retractable Roof stadium.

Seriously, it's a pretty sweet deal for a baseball game. You always get a game and 90% of the time the roof is open.

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/vikings901.jpg
New Vikings stadium plans. retractable roof.
Cost: $954 million

The Twins are building a new stadium too. Open air

They are either going to dynamite the Metrodome or give it to the Gophers. The Metordome isn't too bad to watch the Vikings, but its horseshit to watch the Twins. I won't miss it.

[Freakshow]

NO MORE.

Teams need to be eliminated, not moved or more added.

Sounds good. Lets start with the teams that have gone the longest without winning a world series. Who would that be?

[Jujubees2]

they are making money because of the luxury tax that the yankees pay to the other teams

There a simple solution to stop the Yankees from having to pay the luxury tax. Stop giving out the huge contracts.

[led37zep]

-Portland- They've got the Trail Blazers and that's it. I think it's big enough to support another franchise, and if they stuck the team in the AL West, they'd form an instant rivalry with Seattle, and I think the fans in Oregon would turn out for it. The question is if it's a big enough market or not.


Portland has been trying to get a team for a while. When the Expos packed up Portland was one of the cities lobbying hard for the team. They believe they have the fan base (Oregon people are die hard fans for their teams, mainly college right now), they have the space for a new stadium and possibly the funding if the legislature cooperates. My only concern is if Seattle would allow it. The Mariners pull fans from all around the northwest, who knows what they stand to lose from the Portland market.

Here is the link for more info on Baseball coming to Portland.
http://www.portlandbaseballgroup.com/index.cfm

Portland has been fighting for another franchise for a long time. When the Penguins were threatening to leave Pittsburgh, Portland was rumored to be one of the leading cities. (They have a pretty decent fan base for their minor league hockey team)

Sacramento will never get a baseball team. The Giants would never allow it. Its a large chunk of their fan base.

[Earlshog]

fuck domes. And btw, a superbowl coming to giants stadium would be second only to a NY olympics as the worst possible nightmare. I will go away for that entire week if it ever happens just to not have to deal with the traffic and stupid tourists

I agree with you 100% on the domes for football. I hate the Lions and the Vikings solely for the fact they play in a dome. To not use the cold weather advantage and play outdoors like Green bay and Chicago is a travesty. This is fucking football!!! Minnesota made it to all those super bowls in the 70's and they weren't even the best team. When the LA or Dallas warm weather team got to Minnesota and it was 10 degrees they fell apart.

[Earlshog]

What not stick another team in the New York Metro area. It could easily support another franchise, and it would be nice to get a decent seat at a game without shelling out $100 a pop.

The Yankees and the Mets might not like it initally, but long term its in the games best interest. Lets look at it from another angle, Lets say I am a own a company selling widgets in Miami and the company is making 10 mil a year. At the same time a comparable company in New York is making 100,000,000 mil a year. Well obviously I am going to pick up my business and move to New York to get a piece of that pie. Why should this be any different. If the NY market is in a position to fully support a team let them have it. I know it will never happen cause of the power the Yanks and Mets wield, but just think if Wellington Mara was selfish and shortsighted and did not allow the Jets in his backyard the NFL would not be the powerhouse it is today.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Staten Island needs a team

we had a pro football team

the Staten Island Stapeltons (1929-1932)

:king:

[Golfman]

Even though the pitfalls are high, Vegas would be a great place to have a team. And it would do good just because people could go bet on the game, take a cab over and watch it live, with vested interest even if it wasn't for thier teams.

I would like to see an NBA team in Vegas (insert ref betting joke) but it is way to hot for a baseball team. Look at the Rangers, they collapse every year under the heat. And I think Vegas is even hotter than that. Anything there would have to be domed, and I agree with a lot of you, a dome is no place for a real man's game.

[ralphbxny]

No more teams please!!!!

[Kevin]

Toronto is Un-American

This isn't the Canadian Pastime


I can revise

Kansas City and Florida get the fuck out of the MLB



:king:

Um yea.. FLA has won TWICE as many titles as your team has, since their inception into the league..

[cougarjake13]

el paso

[jauble]

Texas also doesn't need another sports team. Texas doesnt, New York Doesnt, Chicago doesnt and California doesnt...I say put another team in Kansas City

[TheMojoPin]

Texas also doesn't need another sports team. Texas doesnt, New York Doesnt, Chicago doesnt and California doesnt...I say put another team in Kansas City

Hell no. Ohio has enough teams. No state should have more than 2 pro baseball teams, and only 1 per league. DAMN YOU, CALIFORNIA!!!

[jauble]

Hell no. Ohio has enough teams. No state should have more than 2 pro baseball teams, and only 1 per league. DAMN YOU, CALIFORNIA!!!

I forgot about ohio...but I completely agree with you. Perhaps somewhere in the SE that is not atlanta/florida. A new team would be hard to sell. I say pull the rays rename and move them to another state relativly close. On a complete side note when I was in Montreal I met this older guy at a bar (no homo) and he said that Montreal should get another team and I laughed at him. They had bring your pet to the game day in an effort to increase ticket sales.

[outlawfrank]

Baltimore should have a team.

[furie]

what cities most diserve a baseball team

Las Vegas. Seriously, they need something out there.

[CruelCircus]

Before the Expos moved, there was actually an economic study done (I forget which school did it, I'll try and dig it out, unless someone else can find it) that researched which metro areas could support a new baseball team. It factored in things like population and population density, average age, TV market size, median and per capita income, other pro teams, distance to the nearest baseball team, etc.

It concluded that the most prime area was metro NY. In fact, it concluded that the NY area could theoretically almost support TWO new baseball teams. I belive the ideal spot was deemed Northern NJ (ie. Meadowlands) or Brooklyn.

The next best spot was DC. If I remember correctly, Charlotte, Portland, and Vegas were on the list, too.

[CruelCircus]

http://www.bizjournals.com/edit_special/36.html

This isn't the study I was talking about, the one I read was baseball only, but some of the conclusions are very similar. And it's an interesting read, anyway. This study's methodology determines that no new markets could viably support an MLB franchise, and that only Northern Jersey and Suburban L.A. could support an expansion.