sean taylor murder investigation

[patsopinion]

i dont know if its "too soon" for this or if its callous and if so then i have no problem with this being locked up but looking at the sean taylor investigation it just doesnt seem to add up to me


why would you keep living in a place where you constantly get broken into?
how does the girlfriend not hear or see anything incriminating?
why do they shoot first and run?
can a man truely turn his life around to the point where before foul play would instantly be the assumption where now its as simple as a home invasion that went wrong?

someone breaks in
messes around in the living room
goes to the room at just the right time to run into the person's whose house it is just as hes locking the door
the home phone doesn't work (with no evidence why it wouldn't)
so the girlfriend calls from her cell

so who done it
howd it go do down?

[midwestjeff]

I blame the blacks?

[Judge Smails]

I blame the blacks.

EDIT: Ouch! my head hurts for some reason.

[PapaBear]

1. why would you keep living in a place where you constantly get broken into?

2. how does the girlfriend not hear or see anything incriminating?

3.why do they shoot first and run?

4. can a man truely turn his life around to the point where before foul play would instantly be the assumption where now its as simple as a home invasion that went wrong?



1. You'd move out 8 days after the first break in?
2. She did hear it. She hid under the blanket with the baby, like she should have.
3. They wanted to shoot him.
4. Even if it's a grudge, it's still foul play. (edit) Meaning... What the hell is a "simple" home invasion, and how are grudges and invasions both not foul play?


Let the investigation unfold before you start asking silly questions.

[Devo37]

there's only one man who can piece together the clues:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/clue.jpg

[underdog]

1. You'd move out 8 days after the first break in?
2. She did hear it. She hid under the blanket with the baby, like she should have.
3. They wanted to shoot him.
4. Even if it's a grudge, it's still foul play.


Let the investigation unfold before you start asking silly questions.

FACE!

[waltermitty]

I vote that he pissed of some big time coke dealers......

[TheGameHHH]

also someone broke in the week before and left a knife on his bed. i just dont see this getting solved. the cops down here are gonna work the streets and try to get info out of people that won't be talking. hopefully someone is willing to rat, but sadly i dont think its gonna happen.

[TheMojoPin]

Tattlers get rattlers!

[PapaBear]

What gets me, is all the talk about how bad he was before he turned his life around. So far, the only real bad thing that I've heard anyone talk about was the ATV incident. How is so hard to believe that stolen property could escalate to threats of violence these days?

Some reporters mention his immature behavior when he was first signed. That's just football stuff. Not showing up for a rookie meeting doesn't make you a thug.

Oh, wow... He got charged with DUI (not convicted). Good thing he's not the President.

[PapaBear]

also someone broke in the week before and left a knife on his bed. i just dont see this getting solved. the cops down here are gonna work the streets and try to get info out of people that won't be talking. hopefully someone is willing to rat, but sadly i dont think its gonna happen.
The knife was from his own kitchen.

[TheMojoPin]

The knife was from his own kitchen.

Right, people keep talking about that like it's some clear statement. Yes, the timing is very suspect, the the actual act in and of itself is not surprising of a burglar who grabbed something in case they ran into someone. Some friends of mine got robbed a year or so ago and when they got home they found their fireplace poker from the downstairs living room left in their bedroom.

That said, wasn't nothing taken from Taylor's home in that first break-in? THAT'S pretty weird.

[PapaBear]

Nothing was taken, but there was evidence that someone had tried to get into the safe. As in... jimmied with a knife.

[Chigworthy]

That said, wasn't nothing taken from Taylor's home in that first break-in?
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Let the investigation unfold before you start asking silly questions.

[patsopinion]

What gets me, is all the talk about how bad he was before he turned his life around. So far, the only real bad thing that I've heard anyone talk about was the ATV incident. How is so hard to believe that stolen property could escalate to threats of violence these days?

Some reporters mention his immature behavior when he was first signed. That's just football stuff. Not showing up for a rookie meeting doesn't make you a thug.

Oh, wow... He got charged with DUI (not convicted). Good thing he's not the President.

how about the time that he shot a gun into a stolen car and was booked on aggraved assult int he case and he plead down

"...the charges against Taylor were dropped as part of a negotiated plea bargain. Taylor donated his time to various charities and made $1,000 donations to 10 southern Florida schools in scholarships and, in exchange, would avoid jail time and a felony record."

[PapaBear]

how about the time that he shot a gun into a stolen car and was booked on aggraved assult int he case and he plead down

"...the charges against Taylor were dropped as part of a negotiated plea bargain. Taylor donated his time to various charities and made $1,000 donations to 10 southern Florida schools in scholarships and, in exchange, would avoid jail time and a felony record."
That's the case I'm talking about. The dispute was over some ATV's that were stolen from him.

[patsopinion]

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speculation and assumptions is what this country's legal system is based on

[patsopinion]

That's the case I'm talking about. The dispute was over some ATV's that were stolen from him.

oh sorry i didnt see anything about atvs in the article i was reading

[TheGameHHH]

Right, people keep talking about that like it's some clear statement. Yes, the timing is very suspect, the the actual act in and of itself is not surprising of a burglar who grabbed something in case they ran into someone. Some friends of mine got robbed a year or so ago and when they got home they found their fireplace poker from the downstairs living room left in their bedroom.

That said, wasn't nothing taken from Taylor's home in that first break-in? THAT'S pretty weird.

i think it is a clear statement. it states that those two robberies were prob. connected in some way.

[TheMojoPin]

i think it is a clear statement. it states that those two robberies were prob. connected in some way.

How so? In recent years, more professional athletes around the country have been targeted for home invasion robberies. There's a very good chance that's what happened here in both cases, and there's just as much chance that they had nothing to do with each other as there is that they're related.

I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked...just the fact that he was shot after the intruders broke down the door seems to steer this incident away from being just a burglary. The vast majority of home robberies involve people that are trying to avoid the owners of the homes they're robbing as much as possible. The fact that they broke down the door and shot him and took nothing is very strange and unusual. That he was shot in the groin area could be telling. Granted, bullets often just end up in odd places, but it could also point to this being a planned personal assault...shooting a man in the groin is a pretty specific act if they were there with the idea of shooting him.

I'm assuming he was standing when he was shot since he had locked the door and apparently had a blade weapon or was trying to get it. It doesn't make sense for him to get back into the bed after hearing the noises like his gilfriend said stirred him, though if he was in bed when he was shot it would go a long way to explaining why he was shot where he was shot.

I wonder if maybe the attackers didn't mean to kill him. Maybe this was a targeted attack, but maybe it was a shakedown or retaliation ad they wanted to hurt him...like by shooting him in the leg...but not kill him. It's odd that he was only shot around his groin and then nowhere else. Is there any indication that any other shots were fired? He was only hit once, right?

Strange...

[patsopinion]

that all being said i really hope this doesnt end even worse then it already is

[mikeyboy]

that all being said i really hope this doesnt end even worse then it already is

worse than dead?

[patsopinion]

worse than dead?

like the tillman thing wasnt bad enough with him dieing but it got uglier as time went on

[TheGameHHH]

How so? In recent years, more professional athletes around the country have been targeted for home invasion robberies. There's a very good chance that's what happened here in both cases, and there's just as much chance that they had nothing to do with each other as there is that they're related.

I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked...just the fact that he was shot after the intruders broke down the door seems to steer this incident away from being just a burglary. The vast majority of home robberies involve people that are trying to avoid the owners of the homes they're robbing as much as possible. The fact that they broke down the door and shot him and took nothing is very strange and unusual. That he was shot in the groin area could be telling. Granted, bullets often just end up in odd places, but it could also point to this being a planned personal assault...shooting a man in the groin is a pretty specific act if they were there with the idea of shooting him.

I'm assuming he was standing when he was shot since he had locked the door and apparently had a blade weapon or was trying to get it. It doesn't make sense for him to get back into the bed after hearing the noises like his gilfriend said stirred him, though if he was in bed when he was shot it would go a long way to explaining why he was shot where he was shot.

I wonder if maybe the attackers didn't mean to kill him. Maybe this was a targeted attack, but maybe it was a shakedown or retaliation ad they wanted to hurt him...like by shooting him in the leg...but not kill him. It's odd that he was only shot around his groin and then nowhere else. Is there any indication that any other shots were fired? He was only hit once, right?

Strange...

im not a detective, i dont solve murders for a living. i dont do cop work, nor do i wish to spend my time analyzing this case. all im saying is someone breaks into his home, leaves a knife on his bed and then something like 8 days later he's shot in another home invasion. these events aren't related and somebody didn't want him dead?

[PapaBear]

worse than dead?

like the tillman thing wasnt bad enough with him dieing but it got uglier as time went on

FACE!

[Fallon]

like the tillman thing wasnt bad enough with him dieing but it got uglier as time went on

I hope it's not another case of friendly fire.

[TheMojoPin]

im not a detective, i dont solve murders for a living. i dont do cop work, nor do i wish to spend my time analyzing this case. all im saying is someone breaks into his home, leaves a knife on his bed and then something like 8 days later he's shot in another home invasion. these events aren't related and somebody didn't want him dead?

Like I said, the chances that they are related is just as good as them being not related. No, it's not a common thing, but it's very possible. If what PapaBear said and there was an attempt to get into a safe in the first break-in, that differs greatly with the second intrusion. Like I said, the second one shows little indication that it was a robbery.

Then again, where was this safe located? Maybe it was the same guys, but they were coming back to make him open the safe since they couldn't get it open before. The first time they broke in when they knew nobody was home so they didn't have a gun. They grab the knife from the kitchen just in case someone comes home and they try to open the safe. If the safe is in the bedroom, it makes sense that they just tossed the knife down on the bed and took off. They decide to come back when he's there with a gun and make him open it. They kick down the door, see him with the machete people are talking about, panic, shoot him and take off.

My point is that even if the knife was left there by the same intruders, that doesn't mean this is some kind of "hit" or mean the knife was some kind of "message."

[patsopinion]

Like I said, the chances that they are related is just as good as them being not related. No, it's not a common thing, but it's very possible. If what PapaBear said and there was an attempt to get into a safe in the first break-in, that differs greatly with the second intrusion. Like I said, the second one shows little indication that it was a robbery.

Then again, where was this safe located? Maybe it was the same guys, but they were coming back to make him open the safe since they couldn't get it open before. The first time they broke in when they knew nobody was home so they didn't have a gun. They grab the knife from the kitchen just in case someone comes home and they try to open the safe. If the safe is in the bedroom, it makes sense that they just tossed the knife down on the bed and took off. They decide to come back when he's there with a gun and make him open it. They kick down the door, see him with the machete people are talking about, panic, shoot him and take off.

My point is that even if the knife was left there by the same intruders, that doesn't mean this is some kind of "hit" or mean the knife was some kind of "message."

thats some really good speculation

[TheMojoPin]

I'm like a gayer, fatter Batman.

[underdog]

I hope it's not another case of friendly fire.

Fallon is speculating that it was the wife who shot him.

[Snacks]

What gets me, is all the talk about how bad he was before he turned his life around. So far, the only real bad thing that I've heard anyone talk about was the ATV incident. How is so hard to believe that stolen property could escalate to threats of violence these days?

Some reporters mention his immature behavior when he was first signed. That's just football stuff. Not showing up for a rookie meeting doesn't make you a thug.

Oh, wow... He got charged with DUI (not convicted). Good thing he's not the President.

I was just saying this exact thing to my friend and my cousin. The media always has to bring up the bad. The first time the story was told on ESPN they said "Sean Taylor has been shot. Taylor who was arrested for beating a guy with his gun over an argument about stolen vehicles a few years back..." What does that have to do with the story? Why does any of his bad shit have to do with us and why do we need to know? If it has something to do with the case and comes out from the police after its solved then you can do a story about a tragic life and what he did wrong. But dont do it while hes in a hospital fighting for his life. I hate the media, everything has to be sensationalized.

[underdog]

I was just saying this exact thing to my friend and my cousin. The media always has to bring up the bad.

Media To Sean Taylor : You Had It Coming (http://www.thenaughtyamerican.com/2007/Sports/11/27/Media-To-Sean-Taylor-You-Had-It-Coming-744.html)

[TheGameHHH]

I was just saying this exact thing to my friend and my cousin. The media always has to bring up the bad. The first time the story was told on ESPN they said "Sean Taylor has been shot. Taylor who was arrested for beating a guy with his gun over an argument about stolen vehicles a few years back..." What does that have to do with the story? Why does any of his bad shit have to do with us and why do we need to know? If it has something to do with the case and comes out from the police after its solved then you can do a story about a tragic life and what he did wrong. But dont do it while hes in a hospital fighting for his life. I hate the media, everything has to be sensationalized.

you're dead on with the sensationalizim angle and how the media can be incredibly fucking stupid in many aspects. but i do think personal history can be relevant when evaluating certain circumstances. if a man was arrested for domestic violence and then is a suspect in his wife's slaying a year later, i think its more then relevant for the media to bring up his prior history.

[patsopinion]

the anti stop snitching article (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7499442)
very well written intelligent stuff here ppl i promise

[TheGameHHH]

the anti stop snitching article (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7499442)
very well written intelligent stuff here ppl i promise

i thought that was great, my favorite line was, "until we recapture the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to 'super man dat ho' and end any and every dispute by 'cocking on your bitch,' nothing will change. Does a Soulja Boy want an education?"

[TheMojoPin]

Heh, I knew that was gonna be some Whitlock even before I opened it.

Typically vague.

[Chigworthy]

We certainly love for our black celebrities to be savage street thugs these days. It seems like we don't really want that many positive black role models for some reason. I blame the whites.

[Russel P]

Media To Sean Taylor : You Had It Coming (http://www.thenaughtyamerican.com/2007/Sports/11/27/Media-To-Sean-Taylor-You-Had-It-Coming-744.html)

I liked this article even better.http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7499442




And this one was interesting:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/29/rolle.taylor.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

[topless_mike]

im not a detective, i dont solve murders for a living. i dont do cop work, nor do i wish to spend my time analyzing this case. all im saying is someone breaks into his home, leaves a knife on his bed and then something like 8 days later he's shot in another home invasion. these events aren't related and somebody didn't want him dead?

i agree...
"you have 1 week to pay up"

after the 7th day, they came back for the money.

[Knowledged_one]

Keep thinking it was a drug deal or something that went wrong because im sure thats what it is, really truly pathetic to speculate on this stuff with absolutely no facts to support it

[Freitag]

My thoughts on this are the following...

The knife on the bed is a knife from the home. It wasn't a knife brought in and left there.

The actual killing:

The shooting, to me, is consistent with someone panicking; not someone who had the intent of killing.

If someone was so hell bent on killing Taylor, they would have killed everyone in the house. Since Florida has the death penalty, what are they gonna do - give you three lethal injections?

I put it together like this:

The person who broke in didn't intend to kill Taylor. They broke in for the purpose to rob and terrorize, similar to what happened to the Bulls player a few months ago. Carry a gun for show, but not to actually kill. Get the money, get the jewelry, get a pin number, that's it.

Perp gets into Taylor's bedroom only to see a pissed off, huge FOOTBALL PLAYER bearing down on him with a machete.

Perp freaks out and shoots twice in a panic and runs out of the house. Since gang bangers and burgulars aren't exactly known for their knowledge of anatomy, maybe he shoots low as not to kill him, just to slow him down. Unfortunately, it was a lucky (unlucky?) shot that hits the femoral artery, and the dude dies.

if this was intentional, it would have been a chest/head shot. Same as a crime of passion.

[Knowledged_one]

My thoughts on this are the following...

The knife on the bed is a knife from the home. It wasn't a knife brought in and left there.

The actual killing:

The shooting, to me, is consistent with someone panicking; not someone who had the intent of killing.

If someone was so hell bent on killing Taylor, they would have killed everyone in the house. Since Florida has the death penalty, what are they gonna do - give you three lethal injections?

I put it together like this:

The person who broke in didn't intend to kill Taylor. They broke in for the purpose to rob and terrorize, similar to what happened to the Bulls player a few months ago. Carry a gun for show, but not to actually kill. Get the money, get the jewelry, get a pin number, that's it.

Perp gets into Taylor's bedroom only to see a pissed off, huge FOOTBALL PLAYER bearing down on him with a machete.

Perp freaks out and shoots twice in a panic and runs out of the house. Since gang bangers and burgulars aren't exactly known for their knowledge of anatomy, maybe he shoots low as not to kill him, just to slow him down. Unfortunately, it was a lucky (unlucky?) shot that hits the femoral artery, and the dude dies.

if this was intentional, it would have been a chest/head shot. Same as a crime of passion.

Well said sir, bravo

[Freitag]

Media To Sean Taylor : You Had It Coming (http://www.thenaughtyamerican.com/2007/Sports/11/27/Media-To-Sean-Taylor-You-Had-It-Coming-744.html)

Please be aware that link is NSFW and it's based of NSFW servers with NSFW ads. Thank you.

[TheMojoPin]

Well said sir, bravo

Goddammit, I already said what he said. DAMN YOU AND YOUR THUNDER STEALING, MATTY FRIDAYS.

[Knowledged_one]

Goddammit, I already said what he said. DAMN YOU AND YOUR THUNDER STEALING, MATTY FRIDAYS.

Well said sir bravo to you

[underdog]

Please be aware that link is NSFW and it's based of NSFW servers with NSFW ads. Thank you.

I didn't even notice that it was NSFW. Sorry.

[topless_mike]

My thoughts on this are the following...

The knife on the bed is a knife from the home. It wasn't a knife brought in and left there.

The actual killing:

The shooting, to me, is consistent with someone panicking; not someone who had the intent of killing.

If someone was so hell bent on killing Taylor, they would have killed everyone in the house. Since Florida has the death penalty, what are they gonna do - give you three lethal injections?

I put it together like this:

The person who broke in didn't intend to kill Taylor. They broke in for the purpose to rob and terrorize, similar to what happened to the Bulls player a few months ago. Carry a gun for show, but not to actually kill. Get the money, get the jewelry, get a pin number, that's it.

Perp gets into Taylor's bedroom only to see a pissed off, huge FOOTBALL PLAYER bearing down on him with a machete.

Perp freaks out and shoots twice in a panic and runs out of the house. Since gang bangers and burgulars aren't exactly known for their knowledge of anatomy, maybe he shoots low as not to kill him, just to slow him down. Unfortunately, it was a lucky (unlucky?) shot that hits the femoral artery, and the dude dies.

if this was intentional, it would have been a chest/head shot. Same as a crime of passion.


now that you mention it, your right.
if he wanted him dead, he would have scored a chest or head shot.
this was an "oh shit" panic shot.

i recunt my previous post about this.

[hurlmon]

now that you mention it, your right.
if he wanted him dead, he would have scored a chest or head shot.
this was an "oh shit" panic shot.

i recunt my previous post about this.

not necessarily...Street punks aren't know for their accuracy with guns. Ever read a story about gang shootouts. They never seem get off quality shots, even when trying to shoot someone. They rush.

How do you recunt?:)

[Earlshog]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/30/taylor.ap/index.html

Report: Three detained in Taylor case

[PapaBear]

It's all sketchy right now, but it looks like it may have been teenagers (17, 18, and 21). People are saying one guy was boasting about how rich Taylor was, and the others decided to rob his house.

[earthbrown]

I am psychic...

Murderer will be.... Black male, 22-33 y/o, 5'11"-6'2"

[sailor]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/30/taylor.ap/index.html

Report: Three detained in Taylor case

i'm shocked scott mitchell was involved.

[PapaBear]

I am psychic...

Murderer will be.... Black male, 22-33 y/o, 5'11"-6'2"
You're not a very good psychic. The oldest one was 20.


By the way... The poll didn't have the right answer. It was a robbery. Not a home invasion.

[sailor]

are athletes targets (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3133995)?

for ogunleye, why wouldn't he just drive to a police station in his scenario?

crazy times, but i don't think the athletes are targeted, just makes a big story when something does happen to them.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You're not a very good psychic. The oldest one was 20.


By the way... The poll didn't have the right answer. It was a robbery. Not a home invasion.

Uh, what's the difference? Home invasion is the same deal. Only difference is that people are home. You're still going in with the intent to rob.

[TheMojoPin]

Uh, what's the difference? Home invasion is the same deal. Only difference is that people are home. You're still going in with the intent to rob.

Isn't home invasion when the burglars assume/know someone is home? And I didn't think "home invasion" necessarily only meant in terms of robberies. It's just anyone who is not supposed to be there breaking into your home for whatever reason.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Isn't home invasion when the burglars assume/know someone is home? And I didn't think "home invasion" necessarily only meant in terms of robberies. It's just anyone who is not supposed to be there breaking into your home for whatever reason.

Home invasion is a generally new media buzzphrase to talk about robberies while someone is home.

There's no "crime" that defines home invasions. If someone is arrested for burgularly while someone is home and they terrorize them, they generally will put an assault or kidnapping charge on there. It's not 2nd Degree Home Invasion.

However, if you rob a house while someone is home and they don't know it, it's just robbery.

"Home invasions" knowing someone is home are usually done intentionally because the robbers want pin numbers, safe access, etc. But it's still burglary/robbery.

This is still a "home invasion", it was just unintentional.

1st degree murder charge probably won't stick either, from the sound of it. Probably if the cops have them dead to rights, 2nd degree, no death penalty.

[PapaBear]

My point about the difference is the type of animal it takes. You have to be more vicious to intentionally break into a home because you KNOW someone is home, and want to use that to get more. These guys were just fucking idiots who unfortunately had a gun.