Should college players make some money?

[patsopinion]

should college players make money for playing?
in 100,000 seat stadiums and are essential for the life blood of most schools
i think its fucking lunacy that they cant make any money
i mean people are complaining that basketball players are skipping college and so forth

im not saying that teams should pay the players or even their schools, but why cant they cash in a few endorsement deals!
its fucking lunacy that these people cant make any money of off this!

whoz with me?

[Furtherman]

Not me.

The colleges make a kajillion dollars from the people who fill up those stadiums anyway, why give it to players? It's not economically viable. Besides, if you start paying them, then it turns into a job, therefore a profession. Then what would be the difference between them and professional football players? They'd have to attend school too! And how long do you think that would work out if they were getting paid. The system would collapse on itself.

[FUNKMAN]

wouldn't it just raise the price of tuitions? they would have to make up the difference somewhere else. Plus there are probably 1/2 the students attending who have no interest in sports but they'll have to pay additional tuition fees...

[Chris from TX]

They have scholarships. University's primary purpose is still education, right? (and research)

[Jujubees2]

Furtherman hit it straight on. If schools were allowed to pay their athletes the system would be even more ripe for corruption than it is now. The gap between the haves and the have nots would grow even bigger. And it's only a small number of schools that actually profit from athletics (especially if they have football).

I work in the athletic dept. at a Division I school and these kids do get paid. It's called a scholarship. Between tuition, room, board and books, these student-athletes are making over $40,000/year! At the bigger schools, the athletes also get all kinds of gear (sneakers, sweats, etc.) for free. I'm not saying it's easy to be a Division I student-athlete but they do receive compensation for their efforts.

[patsopinion]

not the schools
im talking about endorsement deals
i understand the university not paying

but that they dont get to make any money is ridiculous

[King Hippos Bandaid]

short answer no


see furtherman's response for an explanation..


did you eat your Wheaties today Furtherman, funny and dead on posts

you are todays MVP

:king:

[badorties]

without a doubt ... it's a business

it's a sin that a multi-billion dollar business thrives without the athlete getting a taste ... the coaches profit and have their endorsement deals ... the schools get endless publicity and marketing plans for merchandising ... and TV networks devote endless hour of commercial programming to their exploits

the players get a free education, but they should see some compensation from the endless revenue streams

if they really want to make it about the education, raise the minimum GPA to 3.5 for eligibility ... for the major sports, these kids are not primarily recruited for their smarts

as i've gotten older, it's harder to watch college sports and not get annoyed by how these kids are getting exploted

[ChrisTheCop]

short answer no


see furtherman's response for an explanation..


did you eat your Wheaties today Furtherman, funny and dead on posts

you are todays MVP

:king:

And now, he will start to falter.
Way to go Hippo.

[Jujubees2]

not the schools
im talking about endorsement deals
i understand the university not paying

but that they dont get to make any money is ridiculous

The NCAA does not allow an athlete to profit from their talents in each sport with endorsements. However, an athlete can be pro in one sport and still maintain his or her amateur status in another sport. So a guy can sign a professional baseball contract and still play college basketball. However, the athlete is not allowed to receive an endorsement income for any sport. So he could be a professional baseball player but not receive money for wearing Nikes.

[ChrisTheCop]

The NCAA does not allow an athlete to profit from their talents in each sport with endorsements. However, an athlete can be pro in one sport and still maintain his or her amateur status in another sport. So a guy can sign a professional baseball contract and still play college basketball. However, the athlete is not allowed to receive an endorsement income for any sport. So he could be a professional baseball player but not receive money for wearing Nikes.

dont think he was asking CAN they, but SHOULD they...

and my answer is NO.
Pros get paid, students learn.

[patsopinion]

dont think he was asking CAN they, but SHOULD they...

and my answer is NO.
Pros get paid, students learn.

college coaches/ a.d.s get paid?

[Snacks]

should college players make money for playing?
in 100,000 seat stadiums and are essential for the life blood of most schools
i think its fucking lunacy that they cant make any money
i mean people are complaining that basketball players are skipping college and so forth

im not saying that teams should pay the players or even their schools, but why cant they cash in a few endorsement deals!
its fucking lunacy that these people cant make any money of off this!

whoz with me?

Im with you.

wouldn't it just raise the price of tuitions? they would have to make up the difference somewhere else. Plus there are probably 1/2 the students attending who have no interest in sports but they'll have to pay additional tuition fees...

And college tuition is cheaper (if you could call it that) because of the sports progrmas. If it wasnt for these athletes the other students might pay double.

not the schools
im talking about endorsement deals
i understand the university not paying

but that they dont get to make any money is ridiculous

I think Im the only one who gets your point. The schools make money, the states make money, the sponsors make money, the networks make money and all the players get is an education? For most of us that would be enough but I would also bet a lot not all but a lot of players have easier classes and are there to play football. The education some of them REALLY get is just the paper if they graduate.

I think a player should be able to sign a contract with nike, reebok or pepsi or whoever else. Why not, some players are only marketable during there college years. Players like Andre Ware, TY Detmer, Danny Wuerfal, Eric Crouch, Jason White and more. All these players were studs in college and won the heisman trophy and made no money from it. Some didnt even make it to the pros and the ones that did made little money and were out the league within a year or 2. Strike while the irons hot. Let them make some money. Not from the schools but from advertisers.

[ChrisTheCop]

college coaches/ a.d.s get paid?

theyre not students. theyre professionals.

like snacks accidentally just pointed out, their "salary" is getting a college degree.

[patsopinion]

Im with you.



And college tuition is cheaper (if you could call it that) because of the sports progrmas. If it wasnt for these athletes the other students might pay double.



I think Im the only one who gets your point. The schools make money, the states make money, the sponsors make money, the networks make money and all the players get is an education? I would also bet a lot not all but a lot of players have easier classes and are there to play football. The education some of them REALLY get is just the paper if they graduate.

I think a player should be able to sign a contract with nike, reebok or pepsi or whoever else. Why not, some players are only marketable during there college years. Players like Andre Ware, TY Detmer, Danny Wuerfal, Eric Crouch, Jason White and more. All these players were studs in college and won the heisman trophy and made no money from it. Some didnt even make it to the pros and the ones that did made little money and were out the league within a year or 2. Strike while the irons hot. Let them make some money. Not from the schools but from advertisers.


my sister goes to ucla and its well known that the all the basketball players are getting degrees in a general history program that works around their schedule and doesn't necessarily challenge the players and the class is pretty much just for the athletes and fills up before anyone else can sign up so the curve cant get fucked up.

id say only 10 percent that are really worth a lot to their schools actually care about their education.

[FUNKMAN]

And college tuition is cheaper (if you could call it that) because of the sports progrmas. If it wasnt for these athletes the other students might pay double.





yeah but there would be less rapes

:tongue:

[patsopinion]

so the top 4 teams get a first round bye
20 team total playoff
still weighs the bcs somewhat

8 games first week(top 4 off)(5-20 teams play)
4 games second week 4 winers with 4 bye(with the losers of first round playing amongst themselves)
2 games for undefeated (losers playing losers based on bcs numbers/seceding
1 championship

what do you think?

[Ritalin]

How about, instead of paying them, extending their scholarships for 2 years after their eligibility runs out so they can complete a meaningful degree?

I'm not losing a lot of sleep because Ty Detmer and Andre Ware might have gotten ripped off.

Although, can I say that I've watched a game where Andre Ware was an announcer, and he's really, really good.

[torker]

"New players must be real students. No more scholarships, no more monkey business...or else no more football."

— Coach Ed Gennero

[chubbyknuckles]

They should get some compensation, but also should be full time students. Get some cash, but also stop the free passes they get. I mean, if a kid can lose his scholarship and even his career, if an injury is bad enough, it should be looked at as a job.

[epo]

How about, instead of paying them, extending their scholarships for 2 years after their eligibility runs out so they can complete a meaningful degree?


That is an outstanding idea.

[Ritalin]

That is an outstanding idea.

I think so too. It wasn't mine. I can't remember where I read it...I think TMQB at espn.com. Great column.

[epo]

I think so too. It wasn't mine. I can't remember where I read it...I think TMQB at espn.com. Great column.

Seriously, this high horse "they are getting a scholarship, so they ARE getting paid" argument is getting old.

These kids draw huge money for these universities, they because of schedule, they are not realistically allowed to REALLY go after that degree. Yet the NCAA asks more & more of them, with very tight regulations...all while squeezing every dime out of the public.

Just think of the TV money they generate alone.

So they should have two choices: Pay them or really offer them an education. A two-year commitment after eligibility should work fine.

[patsopinion]

Seriously, this high horse "they are getting a scholarship, so they ARE getting paid" argument is getting old.

These kids draw huge money for these universities, they because of schedule, they are not realistically allowed to REALLY go after that degree. Yet the NCAA asks more & more of them, with very tight regulations...all while squeezing every dime out of the public.

Just think of the TV money they generate alone.

So they should have two choices: Pay them or really offer them an education. A two-year commitment after eligibility should work fine.

and its not like they could go pro if they felt like it.
its fucking indentured servitude and they deserve a shot of the pie if the next level will not take them

[envirogator]

I played Div. I football for 4 years in the early 1980's (82-86). Tuition, housing, books and meals (and more sweats and tee's that I could ever wear) for 4 years including summers. I received a bachelors degree.

I was one of 110 guys on the team and saw the playing field exactly 5 times in four years.

What additional compensation did I deserve?

[RAAMONE]

a lot of you are missing the point of his question...he simply said could they cash in on some ENDORESMENTS...first of all to get an endorsement offer you would have to excell at the sport...so this would only effect probably about a couple players out of every college athlete in america, not every player is going to get an endorsement...most likely a few players from basketball and football teams...it would not effect the system at all if a couple players got a shoe deal because they got some notariety in their sport

[Ritalin]

a lot of you are missing the point of his question...he simply said could they cash in on some ENDORESMENTS...first of all to get an endorsement offer you would have to excell at the sport...so this would only effect probably about a couple players out of every college athlete in america, not every player is going to get an endorsement...most likely a few players from basketball and football teams...it would not effect the system at all if a couple players got a shoe deal because they got some notariety in their sport

Too vulnerable to cheating. For example, what's the difference between a local car dealer giving players no show summer jobs to entice them in recruiting, and paying them to endorse the dealership (to entice them in recruiting).

"Hi, this is Reggie Bush's Mom for Big Bob's Chevy on Ventura Boulevard..."

[buzzard]

And now, he will start to falter.
Way to go Hippo.

best post I've seen today! :lol: Jinxy McJinxerson!

[Furtherman]

...so this would only effect probably about a couple players out of every college athlete in america, not every player is going to get an endorsement...most likely a few players from basketball and football teams...it would not effect the system at all if a couple players got a shoe deal because they got some notariety in their sport

The sport IS the system and how long will team mentality stay positive when one or two players are getting paid for endorsements and the rest of the team isn't?

That only works in professional sports, where with or without endorsements, you're getting paid what your position on the team is worth.

You think some skilled kid is going to want to play with another skilled kid, who can't divide whole numbers, but is getting paid to wear sneakers because he can make three pointers?


C'mon, this argument has no merit. Think it through.

[Cleophus James]

So whose saying they don't? I doubt Scholarship athletes are eating Romen noodles

[Snacks]

I played Div. I football for 4 years in the early 1980's (82-86). Tuition, housing, books and meals (and more sweats and tee's that I could ever wear) for 4 years including summers. I received a bachelors degree.

I was one of 110 guys on the team and saw the playing field exactly 5 times in four years.

What additional compensation did I deserve?

Nothing from the school and no one should get from the school. But if you were the team stud and the team uses you to promote the school and the team and netwroks used you to promote games then maybe you should be allowed to be paid from sponsors or for advertising from nike or whoever.

The sport IS the system and how long will team mentality stay positive when one or two players are getting paid for endorsements and the rest of the team isn't?

That only works in professional sports, where with or without endorsements, you're getting paid what your position on the team is worth.

You think some skilled kid is going to want to play with another skilled kid, who can't divide whole numbers, but is getting paid to wear sneakers because he can make three pointers?


C'mon, this argument has no merit. Think it through.

Thought it through and I think they deserve to make money. Once again not from the school but from nike, pepsi or any other company to be their spokesman/ad-man. The jealousy thing you speak of or positivity changes anway when 1 players in the spot light. You dont think Reggie Bush heard jokes or the lesser players were jealous or pissed that everything was always about Reggie? How about Reggie Bush was on so many NCAA commercials, interviewed by sportcenter and everyone else. They made money by selling his image. Why should his family have to live in a trailer home while everyone else makes money off his image? What if he got hurt and couldnt get drafted? Then for 3 years or so many companies, schools, networks and more make money off his image and now he goes back to being poor? Its Not right or fair.

[patsopinion]

it would raise the level of the player and therefore make the rest of the team more marketable - poss better draft pics

the o line cashing in on rb doing well (steve hutchenson)

[Knowledged_one]

This is the worst idea ever, you all think that the money from football goes in peoples pockets? The money is used to fund pretty much every other sport the colleges have, and not to be a dick but Women's volleyball succeeds and gets funded because of men's football

[Furtherman]

Thought it through and I think they deserve to make money. Once again not from the school but from nike, pepsi or any other company to be their spokesman/ad-man. The jealousy thing you speak of or positivity changes anway when 1 players in the spot light. You dont think Reggie Bush heard jokes or the lesser players were jealous or pissed that everything was always about Reggie? How about Reggie Bush was on so many NCAA commercials, interviewed by sportcenter and everyone else. They made money by selling his image. Why should his family have to live in a trailer home while everyone else makes money off his image? What if he got hurt and couldnt get drafted? Then for 3 years or so many companies, schools, networks and more make money off his image and now he goes back to being poor? Its Not right or fair.

I don't know Reggie's situation but I'm sure he wasn't getting paid for any NCAA commercials. Did he actually speak in them? Still, if he was asked to do that on his own accord and he did, he still wasn't getting paid. You don't get paid to do interviews.
He could easily just have said "No thanks", and finished his COLLEGE football career without the spotlight.

I capitalized COLLEGE because you are forgetting, they may be football players and thousands of people watch them but they are still students. Any college out there will put it's education BEFORE sports. Education is the reason why they are out there on the field in the first place. If you start paying students then bidding wars will start and a kid could be offered more money to play here than there. Where did our star quarterback go? Oh, he transferred. Making more money over at Michigan. Then what? Have the players sign contracts so they can't transfer? It'll NEVER work. The system will collapse on itself.

You may like college football better than pro, but they're just students just like any of us were at one time or another. You can argue all you want about how much their worth when they turn pro, but when they're in college, there's no point.

[patsopinion]

This is the worst idea ever, you all think that the money from football goes in peoples pockets? The money is used to fund pretty much every other sport the colleges have, and not to be a dick but Women's volleyball succeeds and gets funded because of men's football

dude read a post before you answer

[Knowledged_one]

No need the idea sucks

[patsopinion]

I don't know Reggie's situation but I'm sure he wasn't getting paid for any NCAA commercials. Did he actually speak in them? Still, if he was asked to do that on his own accord and he did, he still wasn't getting paid. You don't get paid to do interviews.
He could easily just have said "No thanks", and finished his COLLEGE football career without the spotlight.

I capitalized COLLEGE because you are forgetting, they may be football players and thousands of people watch them but they are still students. If you start paying students then bidding wars will start and a kid could be offered more money to play here than there. Where did our star quarterback go? Oh, he transferred. Making more money over at Michigan. Then what? Have the players sign contracts so they can't transfer? It'll NEVER work. The system will collapse on itself.

You may like college football better than pro, but they're just students just like any of us were at one time or another. You can argue all you want about how much their worth when they turn pro, but when they're in college, there's no point.

the amount of money that these guys represent to their schools they are absolutely not average students
these guys make as much money for their school as any mid to high lvl pro athletes and they dont have the capicity to go on to the next level like regular students do at any point (leave school go to work full time)

[Snacks]

I don't know Reggie's situation but I'm sure he wasn't getting paid for any NCAA commercials. Did he actually speak in them? Still, if he was asked to do that on his own accord and he did, he still wasn't getting paid. You don't get paid to do interviews.
He could easily just have said "No thanks", and finished his COLLEGE football career without the spotlight.

I capitalized COLLEGE because you are forgetting, they may be football players and thousands of people watch them but they are still students. Any college out there will put it's education BEFORE sports. Education is the reason why they are out there on the field in the first place. If you start paying students then bidding wars will start and a kid could be offered more money to play here than there. Where did our star quarterback go? Oh, he transferred. Making more money over at Michigan. Then what? Have the players sign contracts so they can't transfer? It'll NEVER work. The system will collapse on itself.

You may like college football better than pro, but they're just students just like any of us were at one time or another. You can argue all you want about how much their worth when they turn pro, but when they're in college, there's no point.

I never said he did get paid for interviews, what I was saying is he should have gotten paid. He did all these things to promote the school, the sport and for networks yet they all made money and he made nothing.

BTW so many colleges put their football program ahead of everything. Its not right but at the end of the day some of these schools dont give a shit about the athlete or their education all they want is wins, high paying bowl invitations and free press for the school.

And how is it fair that 1 or 2 sports pay for every other? Women's softball players get scholarships so they get to go to school for free, play a sport they love at the expense of the guys who actually bring in all the money and really arent getting an education because the 1st semester is all about football?

No one is saying the school should pay a penny, but they should be allowed to earn money without having to work at Mcdonalds. When I hear about a college athlete be given money from a booster or whoever, I dont care and think he should do this. A lot of the athletes come from nothing and after college with a piece of paper they were given and didnt learn shit they will go back to nothing.

[Furtherman]

I never said he did get paid for interviews, what I was saying is he should have gotten paid. He did all these things to promote the school, the sport and for networks yet they all made money and he made nothing.

BTW so many colleges put their football program ahead of everything. Its not right but at the end of the day some of these schools dont give a shit about the athlete or their education all they want is wins, high paying bowl invitations and free press for the school.

When kids start applying to colleges - the 99% percent who won't play football, does the college promote the educational opportunities or that they have a good football program?

A lot of the athletes come from nothing and after college with a piece of paper they were given and didnt learn shit they will go back to nothing.

So it's the school's fault they didn't learn anything? That lies solely on the student. If they didn't learn shit, that's their fault and they squandered an education and deserve to go back to nothing.

[patsopinion]

When kids start applying to colleges - the 99% percent who won't play football, does the college promote the educational opportunities or that they have a good football program?



So it's the school's fault they didn't learn anything? That lies solely on the student. If they didn't learn shit, that's their fault and they squandered an education and deserve to go back to nothing.

6 hr practices
2 hrs training room
film study
X5 days a week

yea now go take a physics class

[Knowledged_one]

6 hr practices
2 hrs training room
film study
X5 days a week

yea now go take a physics class

Wow nothing like being wrong, since teams are limited to 20 hours of practice in a week where did you pull this 6 hour practice from. And why do Division II and III kids have no problem going to classes. its life

Really do research before talking out of your ass

[Furtherman]

6 hr practices
2 hrs training room
film study
X5 days a week

yea now go take a physics class

Would practices really be 6 hours?

Even so - I ran cross country in college. That involved almost 4 to 5 hours a day, sometimes more due to travel plus the races on weekends. And I know the lacrosse team spent just as much. Now I'm not comparing running 10 miles to football, but most sports require a lot of practice and you can balance the sport and classes.

And I still went and took my classes.

And I'd think in most colleges you would have to keep a good GPA or you couldn't play sports. And no basket weaving jokes here because no matter what their class, they still had to take classes, take tests. College is a challenge and when you can't keep it all together you either drop the sport or drop the classes.

[Furtherman]

Wow nothing like being wrong, since teams are limited to 20 hours of practice in a week where did you pull this 6 hour practice from. And why do Division II and III kids have no problem going to classes. its life

Really do research before talking out of your ass

Thank you. There wasn't any football at my college but that 6 hour practice seemed unbelievable.

[patsopinion]

Thank you. There wasn't any football at my college but that 6 hour practice seemed unbelievable.

they are not valued as students is the point
they are market commodities just like pro athletes and they diserve a shot at a piece of the pie


this guy agrees with me (http://blogs.chron.com/lorensteffy/2007/11/college_footbal_1.html)

[Furtherman]

they are not valued as students is the point
they are market commodities just like pro athletes and they diserve a shot at a piece of the pie


this guy agrees with me (http://blogs.chron.com/lorensteffy/2007/11/college_footbal_1.html)

Well then you and Steffy can insist that any money you give to a college, a percentage can go to the fastest guy on the team. Or you could just throw your money out the window. Or give it to me.

[patsopinion]

Well then you and Steffy can insist that any money you give to a college, a percentage can go to the fastest guy on the team. Or you could just throw your money out the window. Or give it to me.

huh?
allz im saying is look at what these guys draw funding wise
why cant they drink a pepsi for a few bucks?

[Furtherman]

huh?
allz im saying is look at what these guys draw funding wise
why cant they drink a pepsi for a few bucks?

Because then the line between student and pro is wiped clean. And as much as some colleges pimp their stars, if we don't separate student from pro then what is the point of even going to school? What the point of the team even associating with the college? Some other college could offer them more money to play on their field. The Harvard Fighting Irish!

It's a line that will never be crossed because it would never work.


And I don't see why you would want these kids to be making more money than you BEFORE they have a professional job. I couldn't throw a 60 yard pass so I worked to get where I am today. Why even put them on a pedestal? There's other things to do besides watch college football.

[patsopinion]

There's other things to do besides watch college football.

obviously youve never been to ohio

but now there are blocks on students entering basketball early and the maurice clarette(sp?) case that they cant go pro and yet they are risking there careers and close to 100 mil dollars every time a player steps on the field for a quailty first round pic that lives upto expectations and thats not including players who get endorsements

i contest that they are playing for semi pro organizations
these arent student athletes
they are athletes that work as hard as any pro to be as good as they can and everyone but the player is benefiting financially

[Furtherman]

but now there are blocks on students entering basketball early and the maurice clarette(sp?) case that they cant go pro and yet they are risking there careers and close to 100 mil dollars every time a player steps on the field for a quailty first round pic that lives upto expectations and thats not including players who get endorsements

i contest that they are playing for semi pro organizations
these arent student athletes
they are athletes that work as hard as any pro to be as good as they can and everyone but the player is benefiting financially

Please re-read my explanation of why there has to be a difference between students and pros.

And please, some punctuation and grammar. It looks like you need to go back to school.

[patsopinion]

Please re-read my explanation of why there has to be a difference between students and pros.

And please, some punctuation and grammar. It looks like you need to go back to school.

i am a college student
and im waiting for my fucking check btw

[JimBeam]

The quick and easy answer to the question is " No they shouldn't be paid because they are already receiving something worth possibly $100K ".

What does it cost the average student to go to a USC, Notre Dame or an Oh St ?

Probably close to $ 60K a year when you take all expenses into consideration.

Now the average student is taking out loans that they'll be paying for damn near close to their entire life but the athlete not only gets that free of charge but he gets access to networks that will assit him later in life either through his advancement to the professional leagues or through the contacts which he's made that can assist him in finding a job.

The argument that college sports is a billion dollar venture and that it's made off of the back of the player is no different than anybody who's working in a job for which they are not the owner.

I work for a Fortune 500 company that makes billions of dollars a year and in some way my role, however small, helps them make that money. Do I really think I'll be paid in proportion to what they make ?

No and to think otherwise would be insane.

Nobody's forcing these kids to play the sport but by doing so their opportunities for a chance at success are much greater.

College sports are not professional sports. People will go to watch the game regardless of whose playing. In college the great players are those that are actually playing. Why else do awful schools and lower division schools still have fans going to games ?

Because they want to see people play. Anybody play.

I don't wanna use Army/Navy as an example because there's a different mystique there but games like Trinity/Millsaps and Harvard/Yale are huge to their fans.

If a kid doesn't wanna go to a college because he's not getting paid then I wish him luck w/ his life and I'm glad he now leaves open the option for somebody else to go.

[Shane Peterson]

The question would be who gets paid what and who doesn't. You're playing for a team, should every player get a cut of the ticket sales or the apparell sales? What I honestly think should happen is that the NFL and NBA should not have an age requirement. LeBron and Kobe didn't go to college and it was the best thing that ever happened to the NBA. If you were an amazing clarinet player and had a chance to play with the Boston Pops at age 16, no one would tell you that you should give that up and stay in school and go to college. But for some reason we tell out atheletes that.