MLB Offseason Discussion...HOT STOVE, SSSSSSSSS!!!

[cougarjake13]

Hunter beefs up Angels' lineup (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7477188)






Brewers reach agreement with Kendall (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7474860)

[epo]

White Sox sign P Linebrink (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=3006&line=226588&spln=1)

[cougarjake13]

so where does andruw jones end up ????

[epo]

so where does andruw jones end up ????

I keep reading that the Dodgers want him.

[TheMojoPin]

And the ridiculous Hunter contract almost ensures that Jones is going to be vastly overpaid, especially if the Dodgers go after him. Look how much they paid Juan-friggin'-Pierre.

Can someone edit the thread title so that "Mlb" is "MLB?" That's gonna bug me all season.

[cougarjake13]

And the ridiculous Hunter contract almost ensures that Jones is going to be vastly overpaid, especially if the Dodgers go after him. Look how much they paid Juan-friggin'-Pierre.

Can someone edit the thread title so that "Mlb" is "MLB?" That's gonna bug me all season.

i wrote the title in all caps

[Fallon]

Pitcher Joe Kennedy Dies (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3124303)

[ChrisTheCop]

Pitcher Joe Kennedy Dies (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3124303)

Thats too bad and all, but unless theyre waiting an unusually long time to bury him, he doesnt belong in the 2008 thread. A mod should really know better.

[RAAMONE]

Thats too bad and all, but unless theyre waiting an unusually long time to bury him, he doesnt belong in the 2008 thread. A mod should really know better.

arent all the other stories and links in this thread take place in 2007...why not call them out too

[epo]

New Report, the Cincinnati Reds have signed P Francisco Cordero to a 4 year/$46 Million contract. A team option for a fifth year would take the deal to 5/57.

I don't have a link yet.

Edit: Link to story here. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2007/11/23/brewers-lose-cordero-to-reds.aspx)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

New Report, the Cincinnati Reds have signed P Francisco Cordero to a 4 year/$46 Million contract. A team option for a fifth year would take the deal to 5/57.

I don't have a link yet.

looks like its back to Derrick Turnbow for you

:king:

[epo]

looks like its back to Derrick Turnbow for you

:king:

I think I might have to cancel my ticket package if it comes to that.

[ChrisTheCop]

arent all the other stories and links in this thread take place in 2007...why not call them out too

not true. re-read the posts. Theyre all about 2008.
unless i'm missing your joke here.

my point (and my joke) was that the guy wont be playing in 2008.

[cougarjake13]

not true. re-read the posts. Theyre all about 2008.
unless i'm missing your joke here.

my point (and my joke) was that the guy wont be playing in 2008.

well he could play in heaven or in costner's backyard

[RAAMONE]

not true. re-read the posts. Theyre all about 2008.
unless i'm missing your joke here.

my point (and my joke) was that the guy wont be playing in 2008.

oh, ha...yeah i'm an idiot

[ChrisTheCop]

pm from mikeyboy:
calling yourself names is grounds for vacation.

[RAAMONE]

oh...ok, you're an idiot

[ChrisTheCop]

better.

[TheMojoPin]

Kerry Wood resigns with the Cubs for 1 year/$4 million. Really good to hear this...apparently there were other teams out there, chief among them the Red Sox, who were willing to give him 2 years/$3-6 million per to be the chief setup reliever. He's likely going to be the Cubs' closer next season, which I can't wait. He really looked good as a reliever.

Wood was 1-1 with a 3.33 ERA in 22 appearances last season, coming back from right shoulder problems that limited him to four games in 2006.

This coming season will be Wood's 14th in the Cubs organization. He ranks fourth on the Cubs' all-time strikeout list with 1,323 K's, while his .215 batting average against is the lowest of any pitcher in franchise history (minimum 1,000 innings pitched).

Last season, he totaled 18 scoreless appearances and gave up one run or fewer in 21 of 22 appearances, as six of his nine runs allowed came in two outings. He limited opponents to a .207 batting average and struck out 24 batters over 24 1/3 innings.

[Kevin]

Kerry Wood resigns with the Cubs for 1 year/$4 million. Really good to hear this...apparently there were other teams out there, chief among them the Red Sox, who were willing to give him 2 years/$3-6 million per to be the chief setup reliever. He's likely going to be the Cubs' closer next season, which I can't wait. He really looked good as a reliever.

Whats the latest on Prior?? Is he a FA, if so, you think anyone would take a shot?? Man, its really a shame what Dusty did to that kid..

[TheMojoPin]

Whats the latest on Prior?? Is he a FA, if so, you think anyone would take a shot?? Man, its really a shame what Dusty did to that kid..

Nah, they have Prior through 2008, then he's a FA. Obviously, they're not relying on him for anything, but people are definitely curious to see what'll happen since he had surgery for the first time early this year and something was finally and definitively found to be "wrong" injury-wise and was ideally fixed. He's on an off-season throwing and workout schedule that it's being reported that he's on without any delays so far, so hey, any production he can throw out there would be cake. I really wish/hope the Cubs offer him an incentive-heavy 2-year extension or something along those lines ASAP...it would suck to see him go on to find success again with another team, and he's really not pad all that much ($3.5 million per) now in the grand scheme of things. A guy who has been that great and with such a high ceiling is worth taking a risk on. Teams toss out those contracts all the time to "scrap heap" pitchers coming off of injuries in the hopes they're even a shadow of their former selves...why not do it with a guy who was as dominant as Prior? Even if he's half as good as he was that makes him a very solid #3 pitcher.

[PhishHead]

Prior is doing well. But he does get depressed once in awhile cause he knows he won't be as good as he once was. He is rehabbing well and coming along on schedule but you never know what setbacks may occur. He is very excited for next year and is hoping he can come back to his old form even though he believes he as lost some velocity.

[Kevin]

Prior is doing well. But he does get depressed once in awhile cause he knows he won't be as good as he once was. He is rehabbing well and coming along on schedule but you never know what setbacks may occur. He is very excited for next year and is hoping he can come back to his old form even though he believes he as lost some velocity.

Are you his new best friend?? Or agent??

[Kevin]

Nah, they have Prior through 2008, then he's a FA. Obviously, they're not relying on him for anything, but people are definitely curious to see what'll happen since he had surgery for the first time early this year and something was finally and definitively found to be "wrong" injury-wise and was ideally fixed. He's on an off-season throwing and workout schedule that it's being reported that he's on without any delays so far, so hey, any production he can throw out there would be cake. I really wish/hope the Cubs offer him an incentive-heavy 2-year extension or something along those lines ASAP...it would suck to see him go on to find success again with another team, and he's really not pad all that much ($3.5 million per) now in the grand scheme of things. A guy who has been that great and with such a high ceiling is worth taking a risk on. Teams toss out those contracts all the time to "scrap heap" pitchers coming off of injuries in the hopes they're even a shadow of their former selves...why not do it with a guy who was as dominant as Prior? Even if he's half as good as he was that makes him a very solid #3 pitcher.


Yea, he is def worth taking a shot on...

[PhishHead]

Are you his new best friend?? Or agent??

my best friend from law school grew up with him and lives next door to his house in san diego and is still good friends with him. He gives me updates when he hears something.

Prior is also one cool guy to hang out with.

[Kevin]

my best friend from law school grew up with him and lives next door to his house in san diego and is still good friends with him. He gives me updates when he hears something.

Prior is also one cool guy to hang out with.

Ohh that's cool.. Yea it must be depressing.. Does he blame Baker personally?? Has he said anything like that?? He has to..

[PhishHead]

Ohh that's cool.. Yea it must be depressing.. Does he blame Baker personally?? Has he said anything like that?? He has to..

my friend has said he has brought up baker and will bash him but won't get into too much detail or anything he is kind of a laid back guy and just says F it and focuses on the future really.

i would blame baker all the time, just walk down the streets cursing bakers name.

[Kevin]

my friend has said he has brought up baker and will bash him but won't get into too much detail or anything he is kind of a laid back guy and just says F it and focuses on the future really.

i would blame baker all the time, just walk down the streets cursing bakers name.

No kidding.. Forget the money that he cost him.. But i think that he would have honestly been an all-time great. His stuff was that good. If he reached FA next year, and was Prior.. He would be making as much, or more than Santana..

[PhishHead]

No kidding.. Forget the money that he cost him.. But i think that he would have honestly been an all-time great. His stuff was that good. If he reached FA next year, and was Prior.. He would be making as much, or more than Santana..

i think he is quite happy with the money he has made though. At the time he signed a pretty good contract for a rookie, and his endorsements WERE HUGE. He seems pretty content with money actually his family and him are set so I dont think the money is an issue, i think that actually calms him sometimes.

His stuff was very good I mean watching him at USC was amazing. He had so much potential.

[Kevin]

i think he is quite happy with the money he has made though. At the time he signed a pretty good contract for a rookie, and his endorsements WERE HUGE. He seems pretty content with money actually his family and him are set so I dont think the money is an issue, i think that actually calms him sometimes.

His stuff was very good I mean watching him at USC was amazing. He had so much potential.

Yea.. 10.5 mil.. 4mil signing bonus.. Unless your really retarded, you can live comfortably on that for the rest of your life.

[PhishHead]

Yea.. 10.5 mil.. 4mil signing bonus.. Unless your really retarded, you can live comfortably on that for the rest of your life.

plus all his endorsement deals basically doubled that money. his parents weren't poor to begin with, university of san diego HS is pretty damn expensive (its were my friend went toas well) and is in a great area(even more so now as it moved to del mar) The guy is doing fine, but I am sure on the baseball side he is pissed cause he knows he could have been better.

Every cub fan should curse baker till the day they die.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, Phish, did you tell me that about knowing a good friend of his? Sorry if I'm totally blanking on that, but that's very cool.

I really, really hope the Cubs take a chance on him and offer him an extension by spring training. Lord knows they've done the same for more money with pitchers who were decent at best...why not with a guy who was amazing as Prior?

Baker is really the main villain in his story. With Wood, people were talking about him having injury issues when he was being drafted due to his violent pitching motions and how much he was worked in high school, but Prior was the one who had the dazzling "perfect mechanics" (hyperbole, sure, but still...). All you have to do with him is look at his 2003 stats, his first full year. Look at that picher abuse rating...I think something like 8 games where he went 120+ pitches...moronic things to do with ANY young pitcher in their first full MLB year. Combine that with the collision he had with Marcus Giles that injured him ad that's a ton of strain to put on any pitcher's body in their rookie system.

That said, odds are Prior would have probably escaped that year with just strain and wear and tear if not for the fluke injury that followed. He started 2004 with some achilles issues that forced him to temporarily adjust his mechanics, placing more strain on his system. He missed the first 2 months, but pitched well when he came back and seemed back on course by the end of the season.

He missed his first start in 2005, but made his 2nd and was pitching very well until Brad Hawpe sent that linedrive off of his elbow. He came back ater a few weeks ad pitched well for the rest of the season, but he again shifted his mechanics to compensate for an injury. I think it was all that adjusting that eventually did him in, Hopefully finally having surgery means he can take a big step forwad.

It REALLY bugs me how so many Cubs fans and media tag him as "soft" and write him off like 2003 was his only good year. Yeah, ignore how well he did in the 2nd half of 2004 and almost all of 2005. For a guy who has been injured as much as he's been, he's always shown that he wants to pitch and has come back as quickly as possible. Calling him a "wimp" is just stupid and ignorant and I worry that those bad vibes will drive him to play elsewhere when his contract is up after next year. I hope not. I still proudly wear my Prior Cubs jersey and I always will.

[PhishHead]

Wow, Phish, did you tell me that about knowing a good friend of his? Sorry if I'm totally blanking on that, but that's very cool.

I really, really hope the Cubs take a chance on him and offer him an extension by spring training. Lord knows they've done the same for more money with pitchers who were decent at best...why not with a guy who was amazing as Prior?

Baker is really the main villain in his story. With Wood, people were talking about him having injury issues when he was being drafted due to his violent pitching motions and how much he was worked in high school, but Prior was the one who had the dazzling "perfect mechanics" (hyperbole, sure, but still...). All you have to do with him is look at his 2003 stats, his first full year. Look at that picher abuse rating...I think something like 8 games where he went 120+ pitches...moronic things to do with ANY young pitcher in their first full MLB year. Combine that with the collision he had with Marcus Giles that injured him ad that's a ton of strain to put on any pitcher's body in their rookie system.

That said, odds are Prior would have probably escaped that year with just strain and wear and tear if not for the fluke injury that followed. He started 2004 with some achilles issues that forced him to temporarily adjust his mechanics, placing more strain on his system. He missed the first 2 months, but pitched well when he came back and seemed back on course by the end of the season.

He missed his first start in 2005, but made his 2nd and was pitching very well until Brad Hawpe sent that linedrive off of his elbow. He came back ater a few weeks ad pitched well for the rest of the season, but he again shifted his mechanics to compensate for an injury. I think it was all that adjusting that eventually did him in, Hopefully finally having surgery means he can take a big step forwad.

It REALLY bugs me how so many Cubs fans and media tag him as "soft" and write him off like 2003 was his only good year. Yeah, ignore how well he did in the 2nd half of 2004 and almost all of 2005. For a guy who has been injured as much as he's been, he's always shown that he wants to pitch and has come back as quickly as possible. Calling him a "wimp" is just stupid and ignorant and I worry that those bad vibes will drive him to play elsewhere when his contract is up after next year. I hope not. I still proudly wear my Prior Cubs jersey and I always will.

yea i told you before i just thought you didn't care haha.

I cannot believe people still call him a wimp and soft he is anything but that. He could have said screw it taken all his money and quit baseball too with the types of injuries he has had. He wants to come back every year and play he isn't a pussy that just gave up and quit this guy genuinely loves the game and wants to play everyday. Cubs are lucky to have him as a teammate.

good for you wearing that jersey proudly!! I would too.

[TheMojoPin]

Phishy, keep me posted!

They hope to sign Prior to a two-year deal with incentives rather than let him play out the string with the Cubs and sign elsewhere in 2009. They may decide to trade or non-tender the right-hander if he doesn't agree to a deal in the next month.

Wood said he spoke to Prior after the season and is hoping to see him back with the Cubs.

"Mentally, he sounds great," Wood said. "I know he's going to come in ready to prove something. Mentally, I think he's in a better place than he's been in the past with his injuries. He knows the work he has to put in and that it's all going to be worth it whenever he gets back. He's starting to look at the light at the end of the tunnel." (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-071126cubsbits,1,5133952.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines)

[cougarjake13]

percival could set up mariano (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7500538)

[HBox]

Twins trade Matt Garza and other to Rays for Delmon Young and others. (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/19664.html%5C)

I think this makes the Twins less likely to trade Santana.

[BoondockSaint]

Twins trade Matt Garza and other to Rays for Delmon Young and others. (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/19664.html%5C)

I think this makes the Twins less likely to trade Santana.

It knocks the Mets out of any Santana deal since all their chips are outfielders.

[epo]

It knocks the Mets out of any Santana deal since all their chips are outfielders.

I would guess they are looking for a 3B & pitchers.

[BoondockSaint]

I would guess they are looking for a 3B & pitchers.


Yeah, they definitely want pitchers, so the Mets were a long, long shot to begin with.

[Earlshog]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/03/quentin.trade/index.html

D'backs trade Quentin to White Sox


His stock fell pretty quick....

[ralphbxny]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/03/quentin.trade/index.html

D'backs trade Quentin to White Sox


His stock fell pretty quick....

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[cougarjake13]

astros sign kaz matsui (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7517398)



rays trade dukes to the nationals (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7522090)

[BoondockSaint]

rays trade dukes to the nationals (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7522090)



This is not a bit.

[Marc with a c]

holy fuck

miguel cabrera and dontrelle to the tigers for andrew miller cameron maybin and four other fellas just reported on espn.

[MHasegawa]

Tigers get Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. (http://wintermeetings.mlblogs.com/nashvilleconfidential/2007/12/tigers_set_to_a.html)




EDIT- marc takes it in the shitter

[HBox]

Aw fuck.

[Bossanova]

holy fuck

miguel cabrera and dontrelle to the tigers for andrew miller cameron maybin and four other fellas just reported on espn.

Yeah, but are they Church and Schneider?

[BoondockSaint]

Good. I'm tired of seeing Dontrelle hit home runs against the Mets.

[Marc with a c]

Yeah, but are they Church and Schneider?

good point.


+2 for me.

[TheMojoPin]

Shazam. Nice pick up for the Tigers.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I think the Marlins wanted Quantity, the Angels offered better and more proven players

:king:

[Bossanova]

I think the Marlins wanted Quantity, the Angels offered better and more proven players

:king:

The Marlins want to be able to pay these three and the three prospects a combine 3 million bucks. To unload all that and now be able to stay way under their own personal 25 mil cap

[TheMojoPin]

Good Lord, the Tigers' hitting lineup is brutal now.

[Bossanova]

No doubt. If the Yanks are smart they need to steal Santana now. They will be below 3 AL teams if they don't. And I will laff and laff

[K.C.]

Absolutely amazing score for the Tigers, although they did give up a hell of a lot to get them.

Maybrin and Miller are flat out awesome prospects. In fact, it wouldn't shock if Miller outpiched the D-Train this season.

Kind of reminds me of the deal they made with the Red Sox...they give up Beckett and Lowell, but they got back Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez.

Good deal for both sides, although, obviously it's almost a given it'll payoff for the Tigers immediately. May have to wait a couple years for the Marlins.

[patsopinion]

fuck the marlins
fucking bullshit franchize
if baseball had any control they should force the team to relocate and force ownership to sell
its fucking stupid how badly this team preforms


same with the rays

fucking bullshit florida baseball

[underdog]

fuck the marlins
fucking bullshit franchize
if baseball had any control they should force the team to relocate and force ownership to sell
its fucking stupid how badly this team preforms

They've won two world championships.

They have some of the best scouts in all of the majors.

They're pretty competitive, usually, with a payroll under $25mil.

The Marlins need a new city.

[cougarjake13]

They've won two world championships.

They have some of the best scouts in all of the majors.

They're pretty competitive, usually, with a payroll under $25mil.

The Marlins need a new city.

yeh they get no support down there, even when they are good

[HBox]

The Dodgers sign Andruw Jones for 2 years and 36 million. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3143653)

And I thought the Yanks were overpaying Rivera.

[TheMojoPin]

But at only 2 years, that's a pretty good deal. His history shows that last season was likely a fluke, especialy since his power numbers looked a LOT better after the ASB last season. Probably never going to reach his peak again, but he's very, very likely to rebound and be a valuable offensive player. And he's not nearly as old as Riveria.

[HBox]

But at only 2 years, that's a pretty good deal. His history shows that last season was likely a fluke, especialy since his power numbers looked a LOT better after the ASB last season. Probably never going to reach his peak again, but he's very, very likely to rebound and be a valuable offensive player. And he's not nearly as old as Riveria.

That's still 18 million a year. 18 million.

[TheMojoPin]

That's still 18 million a year. 18 million.

Yes, for 2 years. With the contracts that have been tossed out recently, that's a steal.

Are you really going to be faux-stunned with contracts? They just keep getting bigger...it's not surprising at all anymore.

[spadanko]

790 AM in Houston is reporting that the Astros are close to acquiring Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for Adam Everett, Chris Burke and a pitcher.

MLB.com's sources Tuesday were reporting that the chances of an Astros-Orioles deal had dropped to "zero," so we'll remain skeptical until further confirmation comes along. Dec. 6 - 1:49 pm et

[cougarjake13]

The Dodgers sign Andruw Jones for 2 years and 36 million. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3143653)

And I thought the Yanks were overpaying Rivera.

But at only 2 years, that's a pretty good deal. His history shows that last season was likely a fluke, especialy since his power numbers looked a LOT better after the ASB last season. Probably never going to reach his peak again, but he's very, very likely to rebound and be a valuable offensive player. And he's not nearly as old as Riveria.

That's still 18 million a year. 18 million.

Yes, for 2 years. With the contracts that have been tossed out recently, that's a steal.

Are you really going to be faux-stunned with contracts? They just keep getting bigger...it's not surprising at all anymore.

even still im with hbox

18 mil a yr is too much, yes his past history is much better reflection of him than a one year look but how do you know that last year isnt the beginning of a decline

[TheMojoPin]

even still im with hbox

18 mil a yr is too much, yes his past history is much better reflection of him than a one year look but how do you know that last year isnt the beginning of a decline

Because it's extremely unlikely that he'd drop that quickly at this age, and most of his numbers rebounded significantly in the second half of last season.

And again, it's only for 2 years. Contracts of this price are the norm now. It's kind of pointless to act like that they're outrageous since they're par for the course at this point.

[cougarjake13]

Because it's extremely unlikely that he'd drop that quickly at this age, and most of his numbers rebounded significantly in the second half of last season.

And again, it's only for 2 years. Contracts of this price are the norm now. It's kind of pointless to act like that they're outrageous since they're par for the course at this point.

im not outraged at the price

i just dont think he's worth it

[TheMojoPin]

im not outraged at the price

i just dont think he's worth it

Is anyone "worth" these massive contracts?

These teams can all afford them. I shed no tears. It's the way the game is going.

[cougarjake13]

Is anyone "worth" these massive contracts?

These teams can all afford them. I shed no tears. It's the way the game is going.

not many of them are worth it

some are just worth less of theirs then others

[HBox]

Yes, for 2 years. With the contracts that have been tossed out recently, that's a steal.

Are you really going to be faux-stunned with contracts? They just keep getting bigger...it's not surprising at all anymore.

I'm not stunned, I just think its a lot of money for a player like Andruw Jones. Even in this market.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not stunned, I just think its a lot of money for a player like Andruw Jones. Even in this market.

The first half of the 2007 season aside, he deserves it a lot more than guys like Pierre, Hunter, Matthews, et al.

[epo]

No hard evidence on this one yet, but Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is reporting in his blog that the Brewers are finalizing a 1-yr deal w/Eric Gagne.

Edit: AOL sports is now reporting the story. (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/08/eric-gagne-is-close-to-a-deal-with-the-brewers/)

[cougarjake13]

The first half of the 2007 season aside, he deserves it a lot more than guys like Pierre, Hunter, Matthews, et al.

didnt the dodgers just sign pierre ???

so who's playing center ???

[epo]

didnt the dodgers just sign pierre ???

so who's playing center ???

I would guess they would put Jones in CF and move Pierre to LF.

I wouldn't think twice about it.

[cougarjake13]

I would guess they would put Jones in CF and move Pierre to LF.

I wouldn't think twice about it.

neither would i, just was curious who'd they move over

id prob move jones though and keep pierre in center

plus theres some talk down here about the rays trading for andre either

[cougarjake13]

No hard evidence on this one yet, but Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is reporting in his blog that the Brewers are finalizing a 1-yr deal w/Eric Gagne.

Edit: AOL sports is now reporting the story. (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/08/eric-gagne-is-close-to-a-deal-with-the-brewers/)

deal contigent on gagne passing a physical (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Alfa_YG57phxa_hUKX989Os5nYcB?slug=ap-brewers-gagne&prov=ap&type=lgns)


maybe going back to the NL will help

[Bulldogcakes]

I would guess they would put Jones in CF and move Pierre to LF.

I wouldn't think twice about it.

I would. He doesn't give you enough pop to be a LF on a winning team. I'd trade him for a bag of balls and go get myself a real LF.

[MHasegawa]

Milton Bradley to Texas (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3147693)

[epo]

neither would i, just was curious who'd they move over

id prob move jones though and keep pierre in center

plus theres some talk down here about the rays trading for andre either

Why move Jones? Seriously.

Juan Pierre has one of the worst arms in baseball and left field is the only place to hide him in the OF. Couple that with the fact that Andruw Jones is the gold standard in CF defensively and it seems pretty easy to me.

[cougarjake13]

Why move Jones? Seriously.

Juan Pierre has one of the worst arms in baseball and left field is the only place to hide him in the OF. Couple that with the fact that Andruw Jones is the gold standard in CF defensively and it seems pretty easy to me.

didnt know about pierre's arm being weak, plus i figured he has more speed than andruw

[TheMojoPin]

didnt know about pierre's arm being weak, plus i figured he has more speed than andruw

Dude, Pierre's arm is pathetic. It's like a doll's arm. People run with abandon on him constantly. He's one of the most overrated actually worthless players of all time. I was furious the day the Cubs traded for him and danced when the Dodgers signed him to that moronic contract.

[Bulldogcakes]

The more I look at Juan Pierre's stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4486), the more I think this guy should not have a starting job on a winning team. Maybe if you're the Royals or Nats you don't mind a .682 OPS or 330 OBP from a leadoff hitter, but the Dodgers can't give him LF and expect to win. I like the 64 stolen bases, but the rest of his numbers are 4th OF material.

[epo]

Milton Bradley to Texas (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3147693)

Looking at the prospect of being really awful...Texas decided to entertain their crowds each & everynight in a whole new way.

Is this night that Milton goes crazy? Come see for yourself out at the Ballpark in Arlington! Call the ticket office to secure your crazy to be a magic of the mayhem.

[TheMojoPin]

People knock Bradley as a headcase, but I'd love to hae him as a 4th OFer for the Cubs. Work him as a sub or in a platoon so he stays healthy and the guy will produce. He's a lot of return for low cost...good signing by Texas.

[TheMojoPin]

The more I look at Juan Pierre's stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4486), the more I think this guy should not have a starting job on a winning team. Maybe if you're the Royals or Nats you don't mind a .682 OPS or 330 OBP from a leadoff hitter, but the Dodgers can't give him LF and expect to win. I like the 64 stolen bases, but the rest of his numbers are 4th OF material.

Stolen bases are really overrated and arguably pointless in modern baseball with how much power guys hit with now. A guy fast enough to steal that many bases is almost as likely to score from 1st as they are from 2nd on a well hit ball, so it's redundant and often a wholly unecessary risk.

Fun drinking game with Pierre...take a double shot every time he grounds out 4-3.

You'll be dead by the ASB.

[underdog]

Stolen bases are really overrated and arguably pointless in modern baseball

A lot of Red Sox fans would argue that.

[Marc with a c]

A lot of Red Sox fans would argue that.

and taco fans.

not taco the puttin on the ritz guy i mean taco like hard shell taco.

[led37zep]

I'm really glad the giants took full advantage of the Winter Meetings in Nashville. Resigning Omar Vizquel and then talking about how they hope to keep Lincecum. (aka they trying to get more out of a potential trade)

Unless something major is in the works, I can look forward to another season at the bottom of the N.L. West.

:wallbash:

[HBox]

I'm really glad the giants took full advantage of the Winter Meetings in Nashville. Resigning Omar Vizquel and then talking about how they hope to keep Lincecum. (aka they trying to get more out of a potential trade)

Unless something major is in the works, I can look forward to another season at the bottom of the N.L. West.

:wallbash:

Look at it this way. If you keep Lincecum once he reaches arbitration how can you afford to keep on paying Barry Zito's salary?

[epo]

I'm really glad the giants took full advantage of the Winter Meetings in Nashville. Resigning Omar Vizquel and then talking about how they hope to keep Lincecum. (aka they trying to get more out of a potential trade)

Unless something major is in the works, I can look forward to another season at the bottom of the N.L. West.

:wallbash:

Are they waiting for the Twins to trade Santana?

That seems to be the strategy of a bunch of teams out there.

[TheMojoPin]

A lot of Red Sox fans would argue that.

They shouldn't. Their offense hinges on the amazing power and skilled hitters they have coupled with excellent OBP. Unless this is referring to one certain steal.

[underdog]

They shouldn't. Their offense hinges on the amazing power and skilled hitters they have coupled with excellent OBP. Unless this is referring to one certain steal.

Yeah, I was just sort of making a joke about the Dave Roberts steal against Rivera.

[HBox]

They shouldn't. Their offense hinges on the amazing power and skilled hitters they have coupled with excellent OBP. Unless this is referring to one certain steal.

That wouldn't have happened if the one person in the world who didn't know Roberts was gonna steal and call a pitch out was the Yankee manager.

[PhilDeez]

Stolen bases are really overrated and arguably pointless in modern baseball with how much power guys hit with now. A guy fast enough to steal that many bases is almost as likely to score from 1st as they are from 2nd on a well hit ball, so it's redundant and often a wholly unecessary risk.

Fun drinking game with Pierre...take a double shot every time he grounds out 4-3.

You'll be dead by the ASB.

That's great. As a die hard Dodgers fan, I can't express my disappointment for this guy.
Holding out hopes for Jones, but expect a blown out knee or something similar early in the season. The Dodgers are worse than the Redskins at overpaying fading stars, that well, do just that.

[spadanko]

Tejada traded to Astros

Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada finally got his wish for a change of scenery, as he was traded to the Houston Astros on Wednesday.

In return for the four-time All-Star, the Orioles will get outfielder Luke Scott, pitchers Matt Albers, Troy Patton and Dennis Sarfate, and third baseman Michael Costanzo.

[Knowledged_one]

Damn you you scooped me

[spoon]

Rowand off to San Fran!


Good news is that this means Rios stays in Toronto!

Bad news for Philly.

[underdog]

Padres trying to trade for Jason Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3151599)

[Earlshog]

Tejada traded to Astros

Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada finally got his wish for a change of scenery, as he was traded to the Houston Astros on Wednesday.

In return for the four-time All-Star, the Orioles will get outfielder Luke Scott, pitchers Matt Albers, Troy Patton and Dennis Sarfate, and third baseman Michael Costanzo.

Well a change of scenery, the NL, and playing in a homer dome should help him. With that said I wouldn't touch that juice monkey with a ten foot pool. Is Houston picking up his entire contract?

[Earlshog]

Rowand off to San Fran!


Good news is that this means Rios stays in Toronto!

Bad news for Philly.


The Phillies knew they could not afford him. I am surprised he would go to a bad team.

[spoon]

Well a change of scenery, the NL, and playing in a homer dome should help him. With that said I wouldn't touch that juice monkey with a ten foot pool. Is Houston picking up his entire contract?

With that fucking trade they better be. Holy shit that's a lot for a declining player in every aspect, and tie this to his steroid speculation and I'm totally confused. He can barely stay alive out there at SS right now, and they state he's coming in to stay at short! His power numbers aren't that good either anymore, especially for third where he'll surely end up soon.

[spoon]

The Phillies knew they could not afford him. I am surprised he would go to a bad team.

You shouldn't be, he went to a bad Philly team a few years back right? I know I know, that was different, but tooo easy!

:lol:

[Earlshog]

You shouldn't be, he went to a bad Philly team a few years back right? I know I know, that was different, but tooo easy!

:lol:


haha... I put that volleyball right in front of the net for you there...

They were good, but it wasn't his choice he got traded. I think at first he was pissed and wanted to stay in Chicago....

[IMSlacker]

I'll be amazed if Ed Wade lasts an entire season in Houston.

[Earlshog]

I'll be amazed if Ed Wade lasts an entire season in Houston.


is he really the GM?

If so this debacle of a deal makes total sense now...

[spoon]

I'll be amazed if Ed Wade lasts an entire season in Houston.

Well I wouldn't be since he did probably upgrade the team for the 08 year. It's past this that he'll probably see the negative results, as the Houston management continues to push for the right now moves and never looking forward with their moves.

In the trade, the Astros gave up 3 good PITCHERS in a league were they are clearly a huge commodity. Two have yet to reach the majors, Patton, 22, and Albers, 24. They are respectively rated the Nos. 2 and 3 prospects in the Astros' organization by Baseball America. That rating includes all positions, not just pitchers.

The third pitcher, Sarfate, is a 26 year old reliever who has a 2.70 ERA in 15 career major-league appearances, with 25 strikeouts and five walks in 16 2/3 innings. The guy has some good heat and projects as at least a good setup man, and probably a closer in the future.

The only position player in the trade with MLB experience is outfielder Luke Scott. He brings great versatility to Baltimore in that he can play all fields and has some pop as well. Over 231 games spread out over three years coming into the league he has 28 hrs and a .366 OB%. Over the last two years he hit .336 and .255 and projects to hit somewhere in the middle around .285. Last year he also had 18 home runs over 132 games, what did Tejada have!? Oh yah, that's right, 18. So right there we could see an even swap of stats even if it is an OF for a SS.

Finally, Michael Costanzo is a decent third baseman prospect in AA now who has average to good pop, decent range for a player transitioning from being a pitcher in college. If he continues to develop, he could be a steal and put up natural stats like Tejada's enhanced version.

How could they make this move?! Still, I bet Wade's job will be safe. It shouldn't looking at this and his history, but they only live in the now in Texas.

[TheMojoPin]

The Astros #3-6 hitters look pretty good.

Everything else looks like ass.

And their starting rotation is hideous outside of Oswalt.

[cougarjake13]

The Astros #3-6 hitters look pretty good.

Everything else looks like ass.

And their starting rotation is hideous outside of Oswalt.

this trade might have made sense 2 years ago with clemens and pettite still in astro uni's

[Bulldogcakes]

Well I wouldn't be since he did probably upgrade the team for the 08 year. It's past this that he'll probably see the negative results, as the Houston management continues to push for the right now moves and never looking forward with their moves.

In the trade, the Astros gave up 3 good PITCHERS in a league were they are clearly a huge commodity. Two have yet to reach the majors, Patton, 22, and Albers, 24. They are respectively rated the Nos. 2 and 3 prospects in the Astros' organization by Baseball America. That rating includes all positions, not just pitchers.

The third pitcher, Sarfate, is a 26 year old reliever who has a 2.70 ERA in 15 career major-league appearances, with 25 strikeouts and five walks in 16 2/3 innings. The guy has some good heat and projects as at least a good setup man, and probably a closer in the future.

The only position player in the trade with MLB experience is outfielder Luke Scott. He brings great versatility to Baltimore in that he can play all fields and has some pop as well. Over 231 games spread out over three years coming into the league he has 28 hrs and a .366 OB%. Over the last two years he hit .336 and .255 and projects to hit somewhere in the middle around .285. Last year he also had 18 home runs over 132 games, what did Tejada have!? Oh yah, that's right, 18. So right there we could see an even swap of stats even if it is an OF for a SS.

Finally, Michael Costanzo is a decent third baseman prospect in AA now who has average to good pop, decent range for a player transitioning from being a pitcher in college. If he continues to develop, he could be a steal and put up natural stats like Tejada's enhanced version.

How could they make this move?! Still, I bet Wade's job will be safe. It shouldn't looking at this and his history, but they only live in the now in Texas.

Nice work Spoon! I was going to try to dig all that up and you just saved me the trouble.

[Bossanova]

Dan Haren to the fucking Diamondbacks

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071214&content_id=2326595&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

[Doctor Z]

Haren to the D-Bags is annoying.

Also, Louis Vizcaino ended up in Colorado. Have fun.

[Kevin]

Jim Edmonds to San Diego.

[midwestjeff]

Jim Edmonds to San Diego.

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071215&content_id=2327164&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

I'm inconsolable.

[scottinnj]

Rowand off to San Fran!


Good news is that this means Rios stays in Toronto!

Bad news for Philly.


Not really bad news. We liked him, but he was too much money. That frees up the payroll for some pitching, which is what we need more then a center fielder. We will definitely miss his bat though. And an all around good person too, he was good for the team's public image.

[HBox]

It's gonna be hilarious 5 years from now when San Fran has so much money stuck with geriatric Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand.

[cougarjake13]

thats sucks about haren

guess they werent waiting for johan

[Bulldogcakes]

Interesting article on HGH (http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/my-solution-to-rid-mlb-of-hgh-legalize-it/)

Instead, I have relied upon experts in the field, who are in near-unanimous agreement that human growth hormone has little to no impact on athletic performance. Despite the academic consensus, the media has reported on the use of growth hormone by athletes in many sports without investigating the science.

His point is that when you check into the effects of HGH, they're not like steroids. They don't add strength and don't improve performance in any measurable way. Its hard to figure out why its banned. He goes on to argue that they should take it off the PED list, since it has no performance enhancing effect. Its presence on the list ends up encouraging use, making desperate players seek it out thinking it will give them an edge, which it doesn't.

[Snoogans]

Interesting article on HGH (http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/my-solution-to-rid-mlb-of-hgh-legalize-it/)



His point is that when you check into the effects of HGH, they're not like steroids. They don't add strength and don't improve performance in any measurable way. Its hard to figure out why its banned. He goes on to argue that they should take it off the PED list, since it has no performance enhancing effect. Its presence on the list ends up encouraging use, making desperate players seek it out thinking it will give them an edge, which it doesn't.

its banned because it helps your muscles heal themselves faster. It wont make them stronger, but it definately helps your performance when yoau re taking something that makes it easier to recover and keep up your energy

[Bulldogcakes]

its banned because it helps your muscles heal themselves faster. It wont make them stronger, but it definately helps your performance when yoau re taking something that makes it easier to recover and keep up your energy

Shaun, click on his "previous posts" link at the top. He has 4 or 5 different studies which all say in young, otherwise healthy adults they find no performance enhancement. Its been studied by researchers doing work for the Olympics, and they can't come up with any evidence. Players may think it helps, but they're only fooling themselves.

HGH has come under a lot of criticism because a lot of quack doctors have set up "anti aging" clinics which charge a fortune for HGH therapy, and most mainstream medical journals and doctors say its a rip off.

[Snoogans]

Shaun, click on his "previous posts" link at the top. He has 4 or 5 different studies which all say in young, otherwise healthy adults they find no performance enhancement. Its been studied by researchers doing work for the Olympics, and they can't come up with any evidence. Players may think it helps, but they're only fooling themselves.

HGH has come under a lot of criticism because a lot of quack doctors have set up "anti aging" clinics which charge a fortune for HGH therapy, and most mainstream medical journals and doctors say its a rip off.

performance enhancement doesnt mean anything. Im not argueing that it makes you bigger. It wont make you bigger, stronger, or anything. That is true. But I'm still pretty sure that it promotes healing of muscles. It wont make them stronger then you can make them, but it will make them recover faster. I've been looking it up and so far, havent found any studies that say it doesn't.

Again, you can't necessarilly go by this article. Remember when someone posted that article saying Hummer's are more environmentally conscious then Prius'? You are taking one guy's opinion without him posting anything solid more then "I work next to doctor's" as his reasoning.

[Snacks]

Interesting article on HGH (http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/my-solution-to-rid-mlb-of-hgh-legalize-it/)



His point is that when you check into the effects of HGH, they're not like steroids. They don't add strength and don't improve performance in any measurable way. Its hard to figure out why its banned. He goes on to argue that they should take it off the PED list, since it has no performance enhancing effect. Its presence on the list ends up encouraging use, making desperate players seek it out thinking it will give them an edge, which it doesn't.

That Dr. will never get his findings out to the masses because it will let the children thinks its ok. We cant have something go public about this awful awful drug being good or not as bad as stated by the asshole media. Its just like weed. The media and some advocacy groups have decided they dont like it so ban it. Yet studies have shown they arent as bad as alcohol which is legal. Same as steroids and HGH. There are other legal presriptions that are worse for your body yet people want to worry about this.


I have been told by my Dr. for years that HGH and steroids taken properly have little to no risk. Similar to every other drug we cant get a prescription for.


its banned because it helps your muscles heal themselves faster. It wont make them stronger, but it definately helps your performance when yoau re taking something that makes it easier to recover and keep up your energy

Who cares if it helps them heal quicker? Isnt that what we, the owners, players and everyone else wants them to do? Get back on the field as quick as they can. Why not ban Tommy John surgery or hot tubs. or massages or anything else that helps you recover. HGH was made for this specific reason and it is prescribed to people all over the country, but no good for baseball players.

[cougarjake13]

so if it's not a performance enhancer can these players still get in trouble just b/c they were trying to cheat but actually didnt since the hgh didnt do anything performance wise ???

[Knowledged_one]

so if it's not a performance enhancer can these players still get in trouble just b/c they were trying to cheat but actually didnt since the hgh didnt do anything performance wise ???

Easy there cowboy, thats according to one report, you cant take it as gospel.

I remember reading an article about Lyle Alzado in SI before he died and he talked about using steroids and HGH when trying to come back. He believes that the HGH led to his brain cancer, and now you may say thats only one guy, but I also knew twins growing up, when they hit 13 one started growing the other didnt, to make him grow they (the doctors) gave him HGH he also ended up with Brain Cancer

I think the true facts and what will tell about the people who used the stuff will be in like 20-30 years when the negative effects on their health is discovered

[cougarjake13]

Easy there cowboy, thats according to one report, you cant take it as gospel.

I remember reading an article about Lyle Alzado in SI before he died and he talked about using steroids and HGH when trying to come back. He believes that the HGH led to his brain cancer, and now you may say thats only one guy, but I also knew twins growing up, when they hit 13 one started growing the other didnt, to make him grow they (the doctors) gave him HGH he also ended up with Brain Cancer

I think the true facts and what will tell about the people who used the stuff will be in like 20-30 years when the negative effects on their health is discovered



no, i know, im not taking it as gospel

just throwing it out there for pondering

if they ever prove that hgh doesnt enhance your performance could the powers that be in mlb fie or suspend any players for attempting to cheat

to paraphrase iverson

we're talking bout trying, not actually doing, but just trying, to cheat

[Knowledged_one]

weed doesnt improve your performance but they ban that same with heroin.

Its not just the performance enhancing part its the safety of the players that they have to take into account

Drugs in sports isnt all about performance enhancement

[cougarjake13]

weed doesnt improve your performance but they ban that same with heroin.

Its not just the performance enhancing part its the safety of the players that they have to take into account

Drugs in sports isnt all about performance enhancement

true but drugs have been banned for years

im thinking of the years that hgh wasnt a banned substance in mlb

[cougarjake13]

josh hamilton traded to texas


http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7592872




tigers sign wilis to extension (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7588544)

[cougarjake13]

mariners sign silva (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7592872)




jenkins to phillies (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7587588)

[Bulldogcakes]

performance enhancement doesnt mean anything. Im not argueing that it makes you bigger. It wont make you bigger, stronger, or anything. That is true. But I'm still pretty sure that it promotes healing of muscles. It wont make them stronger then you can make them, but it will make them recover faster. I've been looking it up and so far, havent found any studies that say it doesn't.



If that the case, whats wrong with that? I think what bugs most people about steroids is it makes you MORE than you could ever be without them. If something helps you heal/recover faster, it sounds like its just helping you get back to your natural abilities. I have no problem with that.

Maybe the Olympics would still ban HGH because many athletes in other countries don't have access to or the money for HGH. But this is the big leagues were talking about here. They have the best of everything so I don't see anyone getting an unfair advantage.

[PhishHead]

Prior going to Padres and I am very excited for it. Pitching at a pitcher friendly park and has Peavy, Young and Maddox to relieve alot of stress as being the GUY on the team.

[Snoogans]

If that the case, whats wrong with that? I think what bugs most people about steroids is it makes you MORE than you could ever be without them. If something helps you heal/recover faster, it sounds like its just helping you get back to your natural abilities. I have no problem with that.

Maybe the Olympics would still ban HGH because many athletes in other countries don't have access to or the money for HGH. But this is the big leagues were talking about here. They have the best of everything so I don't see anyone getting an unfair advantage.

because that means you can heal faster that humanly possible. Personally, I find nothing wrong with that, but anyone who says thats ok has to think steroids is ok. Cause even though HGH may not really make you stronger, it allows your muscles to heal in a way that wouldn't be possible. Steroids let's them grow in a way that isn't possible. It's part of the reason alot of guys take both, to heal and make better the muscle steroids build.

So there is no problem if you have no problem with juicing

[cougarjake13]

Jays, Johnson agree to $3.275M deal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7628104)

[cougarjake13]

Astros sign recently-acquired Villarreal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7611378)



Astros, Erstad reach 1-year agreement (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7609738)



Canseco sequel to arrive on opening day 2008 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7617708)

[Earlshog]

A's trade Swisher to White Sox

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/01/03/whitesox.swisher.ap/index.html

[HBox]

A's trade Swisher to White Sox

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/01/03/whitesox.swisher.ap/index.html

It seems like the A's got a lot in return for a guy like Swisher.

[Snoogans]

if anyone is listening to Mike and the Mad Dog. Cant wait for 60 minutes, Clemens is done

[Snoogans]

who gets Litocane in the ass? What would a numb ass cheek do?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Mike Wallace is a Schill

[BoondockSaint]

who gets Litocane in the ass? What would a numb ass cheek do?

Maybe it was LIEdocaine.

[HBox]

who gets Litocane in the ass? What would a numb ass cheek do?

Maybe he was a pussy. They use lidocaine to numb areas where they are about to do an injection with people who can't take the pain from needles.

Of course when they do that it's lidocaine cream. If he injected with lidocaine that would defeat the whole purpose. Never mind.

[HBox]

if anyone is listening to Mike and the Mad Dog. Cant wait for 60 minutes, Clemens is done

The Rocket obviously took steroids. Obviously, the Rocket took steroids.

[Snoogans]

The Rocket obviously took steroids. Obviously, the Rocket took steroids.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....say something funny Mike

[cougarjake13]

Maybe it was LIEdocaine.

see what he did there ???

[cougarjake13]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....say something funny Mike

something funny mike

[midwestjeff]

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080103&content_id=2338616&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Ugh. Well at least he can't possibly do any worse than fucking Kip Wells.
I wish that, just once, they would pick up a pitcher that hasn't blown his shoulder/elbow/arm out yet.
There really isn't much out there, I know, but it's like they aren't even trying.
Here's to another 80-85 win season. :drunk:

[cougarjake13]

Clemens, Pettitte, McNamee asked to testify (http://images.odeo.com/2/2/4/itunes_small.jpg)

[cougarjake13]

Royals sign Nomo to minor league deal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7636494)

[ralphbxny]

This fuckn lawyer wont shut the fuck up and play this sleezy tape!

[Knowledged_one]

apparently the Orioles and Cubs trade for Brian Roberts is back on again and may be a done deal depending on approval from Peter Angelos

So this means it probably wont happen

[TheMojoPin]

apparently the Orioles and Cubs trade for Brian Roberts is back on again and may be a done deal depending on approval from Peter Angelos

So this means it probably wont happen

Yeah, the talks never stopped...I'm not a huge fan of the rumored deal thus far. It almost always the Cubs giving up Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher, two of their better young pitchers plus a third player. That's too much decent pitching to give up for a guy that's only a marginal improvement over the 2nd baseman the Cubs already have.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, the talks never stopped...I'm not a huge fan of the rumored deal thus far. It almost always the Cubs giving up Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher, two of their better young pitchers plus a third player. That's too much decent pitching to give up for a guy that's only a marginal improvement over the 2nd baseman the Cubs already have.

plus didnt roberts name come up in the mitchell report ???

[TheMojoPin]

plus didnt roberts name come up in the mitchell report ???

Sure.

Nobody cares.

[cougarjake13]

Sure.

Nobody cares.

yeh thats true

[TheMojoPin]

yeh thats true

Yeah, I wasn't trying to be a smartass to your post, just saying in general.

His was pretty mild, too...he apparently tried it back in 2004 and hasn't used it since...and all of his best years came after that. If you read the context of the conversation about his usage, it would make sense he was lying then.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to be a smartass to your post, just saying in general.

His was pretty mild, too...he apparently tried it back in 2004 and hasn't used it since...and all of his best years came after that. If you read the context of the conversation about his usage, it would make sense he was lying then.

yeh i didnt take take it as smartass


and the only time people seem to care about the roids issue is in terms of hall of fame, clemens or bonds

[Bulldogcakes]

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Goose Gossage explodes at reporters

[Knowledged_one]

apparently angelos has nixed the Cubs trade

its funny mojo thinks the cubs are giving up to much for roberts while idiot Bmore fans think that the players they would recieve (Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher and Ronny Cedeno) are major league washouts

I love the orioles but god i hate baltimore fans

[TheMojoPin]

God, I hope it's dead. I'd much rather use what we have in the rumored Kahlil Greene shop, or to get another decent starting pitcher.

[epo]

Pending a physical, the Milwaukee Brewers have signed CF Mike Cameron to a one year deal. Link to story here. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/01/11/cameron-deal-in-place-pending-physical.aspx)

This probably moves Bill Hall to 3B and Ryan Braun to LF.

[Kevin]

Pending a physical, the Milwaukee Brewers have signed CF Mike Cameron to a one year deal. Link to story here. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/01/11/cameron-deal-in-place-pending-physical.aspx)

This probably moves Bill Hall to 3B and Ryan Braun to LF.

If i am not wrong.. Isn't he Susp for first 50 games of the season??

[epo]

If i am not wrong.. Isn't he Susp for first 50 games of the season??

Good call. Actually it's 25 games, but check out the big brain on Kevin!

http://www.qstudy.ru/pict/pulp-fiction.jpg

[Kevin]

Good call. Actually it's 25 games, but check out the big brain on Kevin!

http://www.qstudy.ru/pict/pulp-fiction.jpg

Thanks....


And Yea, its 25 games.. I guess it is 25 for first, 50 for 2nd and life for 3rd...

[Kevin]

Mota was susp for 50 games, that is why i thought 50.. I guess Cameron was busted for "Performance enhancers" Non Roids and non HGH while Mota was straight roids..

[IMSlacker]

God, I hope it's dead. I'd much rather use what we have in the rumored Kahlil Greene shop, or to get another decent starting pitcher.

I hope the deal's dead too. I don't think Roberts is enough of an upgrade over DeRosa to give up both Marshall and Gallagher. Losing Cedeno doesn't bother me.

[TheMojoPin]

I hope the deal's dead too. I don't think Roberts is enough of an upgrade over DeRosa to give up both Marshall and Gallagher. Losing Cedeno doesn't bother me.

Hell, losing Cedeno would bother me since Hendry is showing zero interest in going out and trying to get an actual SS upgrade. Honestly, Cedeno is the best in-house option by far. He's still very young and has consistently raked in the minors. It drives me nuts that a career quadruple-A player has more push. He's freakin' 27, his minor league numbers have been mediocre and he was good for about a month last year, plus he's not a natural SS. He's a 25th man, period. Yeah, Cedeno could flame out, but his ceiling is MUCH higher and he's shown a helluva lot more in the minors a lot younger and sooner than Theriot could ever dream of.

[led37zep]

Guess who's team hasn't made any of the "Big Trades/Pick ups" they were promising?

<--------------------This Guy.

http://www.bitdamaged.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/_Photos_Albums_05_Baseball_Logos_Images_05SFGiants Logo.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Guess who's team hasn't made any of the "Big Trades/Pick ups" they were promising?

<--------------------This Guy.

http://www.bitdamaged.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/_Photos_Albums_05_Baseball_Logos_Images_05SFGiants Logo.jpg

what about aaron rowand ????

[cougarjake13]

hey spoonie whaddya think of this



Cards, Blue Jays set to swap third basemen (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7665630)

[cougarjake13]

in this video it says goose picked his hat

goose picks a hat to the hall (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&brand=foxsports&vid=0c90e261-1824-4f4e-9603-344f2843123f&playlist=&editor=&from=foxsports&rf=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7665630)


i thought the hall picked the hats

hence thats why carter is an expo and winfield a padre

[BoondockSaint]

in this video it says goose picked his hat

goose picks a hat to the hall (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&brand=foxsports&vid=0c90e261-1824-4f4e-9603-344f2843123f&playlist=&editor=&from=foxsports&rf=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7665630)


i thought the hall picked the hats

hence thats why carter is an expo and winfield a padre
They take a players choice into consideration but have the power to veto it now. Winfield is one of the reasons for this rule because he had the Yankees and Padres bidding against each other for him. The Padres wound up giving him a front office job for him to go in as a Padre. Wade Boggs wanted to go in as a Devil Ray but they wouldn't let him. Carter went in as an Expo because he had his best years as an Expo and because he is the only Expo in the Hall of Fame.

[cougarjake13]

They take a players choice into consideration but have the power to veto it now. Winfield is one of the reasons for this rule because he had the Yankees and Padres bidding against each other for him. The Padres wound up giving him a front office job for him to go in as a Padre. Wade Boggs wanted to go in as a Devil Ray but they wouldn't let him. Carter went in as an Expo because he had his best years as an Expo and because he is the only Expo in the Hall of Fame.

i know they usually tend to side with whatever team a player spent the most time with unless there are overidding circumstances where he may have spent more time with one team but had most of his success and personal accomplishments in another

[HBox]

hey spoonie whaddya think of this



Cards, Blue Jays set to swap third basemen (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7665630)

I think the Blue Jays just raped the Cards.

[cougarjake13]

I think the Blue Jays just raped the Cards.

unfortunately for the cards everyone knows la russa and rolen hate each other so its gonna be hard for them to get good value

[Bulldogcakes]

unfortunately for the cards everyone knows la russa and rolen hate each other so its gonna be hard for them to get good value

Glaus is a good player, but he's also a steroid guy and he started to break down last year with a typical steroid injury (foot plantar). Could be the first of many ligament related injuries to come.

[cougarjake13]

Glaus is a good player, but he's also a steroid guy and he started to break down last year with a typical steroid injury (foot plantar). Could be the first of many ligament related injuries to come.

wasnt he out with a torn biceps also, another steriods type injury ???

[spoon]

Hell, Glaus was already having injury issues when the Jays signed him.

Tops in the MLB? Defense? Lineup? Rotation? Bullpen? Bench?

Take ur guess then read this.....--->http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7670694

[spoon]

Giants make the NFC Conf Game and MLB is forgotten huh??

No thoughts here people?

[MHasegawa]

only 30 more days...

[Earlshog]

Giants make the NFC Conf Game and MLB is forgotten huh??

No thoughts here people?

The Rolen for Glaus trade??? If it was 2002 we would all be going crazy. In 2008, on the surface, its two past there prime, overpaid players who have worn out their respective welcomes.

When he is healthy Glaus has been a monster, however one must seriously wonder are the rest of his days going to be plagued by juice allegations and nagging injuries???

Rolen is a gritty and gutsy player but has been on a rapid decline the past three seasons, after starting his promising career with hall of fame type numbers. Could a change of scenery help? Sure, I guess anything is possible, but it seems more likely he will finish out his career in Donnie Baseball fashion, a decent player, hampered by a chronic injury who never touch his early career numbers.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Giants make the NFC Conf Game and MLB is forgotten huh??

No thoughts here people?

yes, all trades should happen after the Superbowl

[cougarjake13]

yes, all trades should happen after the Superbowl

i say after the pro bowl

[spoon]

The Rolen for Glaus trade??? If it was 2002 we would all be going crazy. In 2008, on the surface, its two past there prime, overpaid players who have worn out their respective welcomes.

When he is healthy Glaus has been a monster, however one must seriously wonder are the rest of his days going to be plagued by juice allegations and nagging injuries???

Rolen is a gritty and gutsy player but has been on a rapid decline the past three seasons, after starting his promising career with hall of fame type numbers. Could a change of scenery help? Sure, I guess anything is possible, but it seems more likely he will finish out his career in Donnie Baseball fashion, a decent player, hampered by a chronic injury who never touch his early career numbers.

Thanks for the 02 comment, but I meant the article I linked about 2008 above.

Here it is again. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7670694

[spoon]

yes, all trades should happen after the Superbowl

Ur retarded.

[spoon]

i say after the pro bowl

And ur retarded.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Ur more of a man than I am.

dont we have games to prepare for, how can you even think about Baseball

[midwestjeff]

dont we have games to prepare for, how can you even think about Baseball

He's trying not to cum.
Just like Cardinals fans after the big blockbuster trade.
Now, where'd I put those sarcasm tags.

[cougarjake13]

And ur retarded.

you obviosuly dont have your sarcasm button on

[cougarjake13]

Tigers sign Robertson to 3-year deal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7683750)

[Kevin]

O's nix big swap with Cubs
Brian Roberts | Orioles | Interested: Cubs
Orioles owner Peter Angelos killed a 7-for-2 trade that would have sent second baseman Brian Roberts and left-handed pitcher Erik Bedard to the Cubs, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

"I don't think we're going to do anything, to be honest with you," Cubs manager Lou Piniella told the newspaper when asked about trading for an infielder. "If we do, it'll be in the outfield. ? It would be a right-handed bat to help out in center field. I would think that's probably a possibility, as opposed to the other things you all have been hearing about."

The Cubs reportedly are interested in Rangers outfielder Marlon Byrd.

You can never ever do anything big with Angelos... I remeber when he nixed a Soriano for BJ Surhoff deal.. Thank God.. Surhoff was like 37 at the time.. Do not know what the Yanks were thinking with that offer..

[TheMojoPin]

Thank God that deal was nixed. Rich Hill has comparable numbers to Bedard and doesn't have the rampant injury history.

[Bossanova]

Is Brian Roberts really that good anyway

[TheMojoPin]

Is Brian Roberts really that good anyway

He's decent, but not for wha the Orioles are asking. The Cubs basically have him aready in Mark DeRosa. DeRosa is less than 2 years older and doesn't steal the bases....otherwise there's little difference.

[Kevin]

Thank God that deal was nixed. Rich Hill has comparable numbers to Bedard and doesn't have the rampant injury history.

I agree with you on Roberts.. But Bedard is a great pitcher.. He would be even better in the NL.. Esp that weak NL Centeral.. But you know the team better.. Were the other prospects good?

[TheMojoPin]

I agree with you on Roberts.. But Bedard is a great pitcher.. He would be even better in the NL.. Esp that weak NL Centeral.. But you know the team better.. Were the other prospects good?

Bedard is a very good injury, but he's got a very worrisome injury history for someone as young as him. He's only come close to 200 innings once so far in his career, either 160 or 180, I forget whih. I would welcome Bedard happily despite this if it din't cost the Cubs Hill. Hill has shown he has clicked with the pros for almost two years now. His strikeout numbers are amazing, his walks are very low and he's had no major injuries, plus less service time. You could argue that Bedard is potenially a downgrade form Hill based on certain key factors. Giving up Marshall wouldn't have been a big deal...he's decent, but like Bedard, he has trouble lasting a full season and he projects to be around a #4 starter at best. Gallagher I wouldn't want to give up. He's one of the Cubs better pitching prospects and he just dropped almost 30 pounds, which has apparently helped him last longer in winter ball and pick up some more speed on his fastball. He usually sits 92-94 on it but now can touch 95 and 96 from time to time. He's got a good mix of pitches and has a really good shot at being a #2-3 starter.

[Great Tiger's Turban]

Don Mattingly steps down as hitting coach from the Dodgers

[led37zep]

Don Mattingly steps down as hitting coach from the Dodgers

Please continue to post ANY and ALL negative news about the Dodgers. It brings a smile to my soul.

[cougarjake13]

Don Mattingly steps down as hitting coach from the Dodgers

why ????

[BoondockSaint]

why ????


Hank Steinbrenner changed his mind about managers.

[cougarjake13]

Hank Steinbrenner changed his mind about managers.

that would be funny


i saw that it was family related

[TheMojoPin]

Sounds like the O's just traded Bedard to the Mariners for:

Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, George Sherrill, Tony Butler and Kameron Mickolio

If that's true, and they get the 2-3 guys from the Cubs that's being talked about for Roberts, the O's have just done an amazing job setting themselves up for the future.

[Knowledged_one]

Sounds like the O's just traded Bedard to the Mariners for:



If that's true, and they get the 2-3 guys from the Cubs that's being talked about for Roberts, the O's have just done an amazing job setting themselves up for the future.

Oh i am so cised for this trade if it happens, they get a RP, a SP and a from all acounts bona fide stud CF with 30-30 potential

As hard as it is to find a legit #1 starter which Bedard is, its just as tough to find a legit CF in this league. And i really love the combo of Markakis and Jones in the OF which could be a great twosome in the lineup

[Basedow]

Angelos hasn't crossed T's and dotted I's yet (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3218624) but Seattle has Brad Wilkerson waiting in the wings (http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/01/go_play_in_the_snow.html). The AL east is going to be filled with excellent players. If the O's and Cubs can work out the rumored deal (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/27/scoop.bedard/index.html?eref=writers) for Roberts it would mean the O's return would be:

1. Adam Jones, CF - everyone knows the expectations here. paired with markakis, pie.

2. Chris Tillman, SP - projected as a No. 2 starter and fifth best player under age 25 in M's system. will start year in AA ball.

3. George Sherill, RP - turns 31 in April but has posted K/9 over 9.0 in each of last three seasons.

4. Sean Gallagher, SP(via Cubs) - projected to be a very solid No. 3 starter: From BP: The Good: Gallagher is solid across the board, with a low-90s fastball, looping curve, and deceptive changeup all rating as average to slightly above, as does his command and control. He's aggressive on the mound, goes after hitters, and shows confidence in all his offerings. was thought to have a shot at making cubs rotation in 2008.

5. Felix Pie, CF (via Cubs) - drips potential and has strong minor league numbers but hasn't translated to MLB level yet.

5A.Tony Butler and Kameron Mickolio - have to admit i don't know much about these guys other than what the numbers suggest at baseball reference. Butler(ranked 8th in M's system in december) has impressive whip but he only has seasoning in A ball. Mickolio is in AAA and has solid K/9 and solid WHIP but doesn't show up on the BP prospect list published in December 2007.


Not a bad haul at all for the O's. Two potential star OF to pair with markakis, two solid options for future rotation to join up with Adam Loewen, Brandon Erbe and Radhames Liz (if he can ever control his stuff). Good start to the full scale rebuilding.

Good trade for the Mariners who now have Bedard (29), Hernandez and Morrow (both under 25) to front their rotation while keeping their best hitting prospects - clement, triunfel, balentien- with the club, save for jones. This is the same front office that thought Carlos Silva's contract was a good idea this winter, but i think they come out winners here.

Need to examine the impact on the cubs more closely before I offer up an opinion, but they should be playing for 2008 clearly and Roberts seems to fit that strategy.

Now, how long before Santana gets traded ? Does anybody believe this "ten day" theory Buster Olney put out there?

[Knowledged_one]

Angelos hasn't crossed T's and dotted I's yet (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3218624) but Seattle has Brad Wilkerson waiting in the wings (http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/01/go_play_in_the_snow.html). The AL east is going to be filled with excellent players. If the O's and Cubs can work out the rumored deal (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/27/scoop.bedard/index.html?eref=writers) for Roberts it would mean the O's return would be:

1. Adam Jones, CF - everyone knows the expectations here. paired with markakis, pie.

2. Chris Tillman, SP - projected as a No. 2 starter and fifth best player under age 25 in M's system. will start year in AA ball.

3. George Sherill, RP - turns 31 in April but has posted K/9 over 9.0 in each of last three seasons.

4. Sean Gallagher, SP(via Cubs) - projected to be a very solid No. 3 starter: From BP: The Good: Gallagher is solid across the board, with a low-90s fastball, looping curve, and deceptive changeup all rating as average to slightly above, as does his command and control. He's aggressive on the mound, goes after hitters, and shows confidence in all his offerings. was thought to have a shot at making cubs rotation in 2008.

5. Felix Pie, CF (via Cubs) - drips potential and has strong minor league numbers but hasn't translated to MLB level yet.

5A.Tony Butler and Kameron Mickolio - have to admit i don't know much about these guys other than what the numbers suggest at baseball reference. Butler(ranked 8th in M's system in december) has impressive whip but he only has seasoning in A ball. Mickolio is in AAA and has solid K/9 and solid WHIP but doesn't show up on the BP prospect list published in December 2007.


Not a bad haul at all for the O's. Two potential star OF to pair with markakis, two solid options for future rotation to join up with Adam Loewen, Brandon Erbe and Radhames Liz (if he can ever control his stuff). Good start to the full scale rebuilding.

Good trade for the Mariners who now have Bedard (29), Hernandez and Morrow (both under 25) to front their rotation while keeping their best hitting prospects - clement, triunfel, balentien- with the club, save for jones. This is the same front office that thought Carlos Silva's contract was a good idea this winter, but i think they come out winners here.

Need to examine the impact on the cubs more closely before I offer up an opinion, but they should be playing for 2008 clearly and Roberts seems to fit that strategy.

Now, how long before Santana gets traded ? Does anybody believe this "ten day" theory Buster Olney put out there?

Your forgot to mention the 5 players that the orioles acquired in the Miguel Tejada trade and they are:

Houston traded outfielder Luke Scott, third baseman Michael Costanzo, left-hander Troy Patton and right-handers Matt Albers and Dennis Sarfate for Tejada.

So all in all this seems like a good haul for the O's this offseason and have started to acquire quite a few good arms to seed their system. Not to mention a guy like Matt Wieters and if he proves anywhere capable of playing at the major league level Hernandez could be traded as well. They could possibly compete for 3rd in 2 years unless the yankees or sox young arms simply implode

[Basedow]

Your forgot to mention the 5 players that the orioles acquired in the Miguel Tejada trade and they are:

Houston traded outfielder Luke Scott, third baseman Michael Costanzo, left-hander Troy Patton and right-handers Matt Albers and Dennis Sarfate for Tejada.

So all in all this seems like a good haul for the O's this offseason and have started to acquire quite a few good arms to seed their system. Not to mention a guy like Matt Wieters and if he proves anywhere capable of playing at the major league level Hernandez could be traded as well. They could possibly compete for 3rd in 2 years unless the yankees or sox young arms simply implode

yeah man, i should have noted that the tejada trade was the real starting point of rebuilding i suppose. i loved the addition of Luke Scott, but i'm disappointed that he still may not get a chance to start. regardless, he is an excellent fourth outfielder.

There is a lot to like about matt wieters for sure.

I have been thinking about the future balance of the AL East alot recently. i think your estimate of two years as a timeline to competitiveness for the O's is a bit rosy, but by no means is it out of the question. I also don't think that this division is staying a two horse race despite the financial edge and the talented farm systems that both the NYY and BOS have now. Tampa has more stars EMERGING than both of those clubs and they are under team control making next to nothing. Meanwhile they have shelled out to keep James Shields and Pena this off season showing that while they cant spend like the Yanks/Sox, they can spend to keep major components of the team. What distinguishes the Orioles in the 2010 race?


Paaaaaaaaaaandemic!

[Basedow]

Lets not consider this deal done yet. Looks like Angelos is gumming up the works (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7726024/Source:-M's-deal-for-Bedard-on-hold?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49) in more serious ways than originally thought.

[TheMojoPin]

Sounds like Angelos might have scrapped the deal...after the Angels pulled some of the guys being traded from a winter ball championship game and told them they were to be traded, too. What a monster.

[Basedow]

adam jones sounded pretty pissed about getting yanked from that game. mojo did you read something more definitive about angelos's state of mind that leads you to believe he is likely to nix this deal??

also I guess this belongs in the yanks thread, but meet joe girardi's/david justice's replacement in the YES broadcast booth: David Cone (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01282008/sports/yankees/david_cone_to_return_to_yankees_in_yes_b_567784.ht m).

[TheMojoPin]

adam jones sounded pretty pissed about getting yanked from that game. mojo did you read something more definitive about angelos's state of mind that leads you to believe he is likely to nix this deal??

Most of it is just rumblings from the biggest O's board I know of, Orioles Hangout, but they're actually one of the better sites in terms of having insiders post on it. They've called almost all of the major deals the Orioles have done in the last few years with very specific details that come true within days of their posting. One of them is hearing that Angelos did initially agree to the deal and McPahil and Bavasi settled on the terms, hence the Angels players being pulled, but then Angelos changed his mind later in the day and nixed it.

Unbelievable.

[Bulldogcakes]

I have no idea why a respected baseball guy like MacPhail took that job.

[TheMojoPin]

One of two things is happening here...either this is just an equally amazing and ridiculous bit of spin to cover up the details until official, or Angelos has seriously flipped his gourd. The Angels' players were notified and pulled from games...this is ridiculous.

[TheMojoPin]

Here's the take of the Seattle Times:

You know what? This situation is now becoming a circus and Angelos is far from the only clown. Let's look at what Adam Jones, who let the cat out of his equipment bag about the deal in Venezuela on Sunday, is now telling people, as per KOMO 1000 radio reporter Shannon Drayer's blog.

"He says that he said nothing about being traded to the Venezuelan press,'' Drayer writes, relaying details of an email conversation with Jones. "Something may have been lost in translation somewhere."

Ah yes, if all else fails and you've dug yourself a gigantic hole, just cover it up by shovelling a bunch of manure into it and blaming the Spanish-speaking reporter from the South American country. Here's the problem with Jones's first attempt at a media coverup of what he told reporter Augusto Cardenas from Diario Panorama on Sunday. My first language is English and Cardenas, well, he happened to make an audio recording of the conversation with Jones.

I just had the tape played for me over the phone from Venezuela and, yes, Jones definitely said he was off to Baltimore this morning for a physical and that he'd been traded to the Orioles. Talked all about looking forward to meeting his new teammates in Florida this spring. So, nice try. But Jones should stick to baseball and leave the backpedalling to football players....

The real kicker? This deal isn't dead. I'd expect it to get done in the next few days. Are the Mariners ticked? I'm sure they are. Are the secrecy-plagued Orioles hopping mad? You betcha. But they should straighten all that out with Jones. What I don't like is that they called the credibility of Cardenas into question.

What a mess.

[Basedow]

Mojo - thanks for the tip on that O's message board, ill add that to the baseball blog list. thoughts on the cubs/o's deal if it were to happen?

I found it refreshing that Adam Jones spoke so candidly about the deal being done. It seemed like a mistake by a green player who didn't know any better than to be honest about what was going on, rather than a vindictive play made out of anger at being traded. I also don't think he came up with the "lost in translation" business. messy.

[Knowledged_one]

If Angelos nixes these deals i really may have to officially renounce my fanship of the Orioles I have defended a lot of things that Angelos has done and think that the O's get a bad rap because of the division they play in, now with a real chance to rebuild and make this team younger and better in the next couple years and hes gonna nix them will send me over the edge.

However, I will say the baltimoresun has said that Angelos is out for personal reasons and is unavailable for his sign offs. I would not say the deal is dead but Angelos is very deliberate in his dealings and that is what usually happens with any deal with the Orioles

I would put it at 90/10 that the deal gets done

[Basedow]

If Angelos nixes these deals i really may have to officially renounce my fanship of the Orioles I have defended a lot of things that Angelos has done and think that the O's get a bad rap because of the division they play in, now with a real chance to rebuild and make this team younger and better in the next couple years and hes gonna nix them will send me over the edge.

However, I will say the baltimoresun has said that Angelos is out for personal reasons and is unavailable for his sign offs. I would not say the deal is dead but Angelos is very deliberate in his dealings and that is what usually happens with any deal with the Orioles

I would put it at 90/10 that the deal gets done

i think i would agree with your % chance on the deal getting done, and it was widely reported that Angelos wasn't told of th deal until Sunday evening and that he wouldn't be available to evaluate the deal on Monday. today would presumably be the first day he really examines the issue. The deal being on hold seems like it could impacting the Mets also. Bill Madden brings up the possibility that the Twins will wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/01/29/2008-01-29_erik_bedard_rumors_could_impact_mets_tra.html?r ef=rss) to see what kind of package nets Bedard in order to use it as a standard for any Santana deal. Considering that the Mets yanked/didn't permit (http://mvn.com/mlb-source/2008/01/29/santana-speculation-gomez-pulled-from-winter-ball/) Carlos Gomez to play in anymore winterball games I would say they are feeling confient that they can make a deal.

[Knowledged_one]

Isn't it funny that the 10 year losers the Orioles are holding the entire baseball world hostage in essence, with the Bedard trade holding things up and that same deal holding up the Roberts deal

I do think the problem is, is that Adam Jones leaked info on a deal that was going to take some time to get done, and when he did that it made people think it was done and done. Baseball writers should have known though on the deliberate nature of all Orioles dealings and taken this info with a grain of salt

Basedow glad to have another O's fan on board here, and i think mojo is a defacto O's fan since the Cubs and O's are trading partners like the Skins and the Jets are

[Basedow]

actually man, i've been a Yankees fan since the days before Mel Hall and Alvaro Espinoza(sometime around 87). But I do root for the orioles to improve themselves, like mcphail and hate angelos. I like seeing teams that were once poorly run become strong teams again. also a big fan of neal huntington in Pittsburg so far and loving the royals, rays and (very grudgingly) the d'backs too. sorry to disappoint budday, but ill wish the orioles well until they start to threaten the yanks.

[Knowledged_one]

actually man, i've been a Yankees fan since the days before Mel Hall and Alvaro Espinoza(sometime around 87). But I do root for the orioles to improve themselves, like mcphail and hate angelos. I like seeing teams that were once poorly run become strong teams again. also a big fan of neal huntington in Pittsburg so far and loving the royals, rays and (very grudgingly) the d'backs too. sorry to disappoint budday, but ill wish the orioles well until they start to threaten the yanks.

Die yankee scum :wink:

[Basedow]

hahaha. if its any consolation i am not one of the yanks fans who come to Camden Yard and behave obnoxiously.

[Basedow]

now that santana is a met the bedard saga has gone a little quiet, but there is an interesting note in this article about why the orioles balked at the last minute. i cant believe that its true, but its interesting. if it were true i guess people will back off on angelos crucification for a while.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/01/quick_comment_on_jones.html

[cougarjake13]

now that santana is a met the bedard saga has gone a little quiet, but there is an interesting note in this article about why the orioles balked at the last minute. i cant believe that its true, but its interesting. if it were true i guess people will back off on angelos crucification for a while.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/01/quick_comment_on_jones.html

now they found a degenerative hip condition ???

that doesnt sound like something that just pops up

[Basedow]

now they found a degenerative hip condition ???

that doesn't sound like something that just pops up

don't put too much stock in the degenerative hip condition rumor yet. started with a columnist who went on a radio show. its a strong claim so my guess is he hs some facts to back it up. whether it is a hip condition or not, the orioles did have some concern over his health as they actually hadn't planned to contact Bedards agent regarding the trade until AFTER teh phsyical was complete.

[cougarjake13]

don't put too much stock in the degenerative hip condition rumor yet. started with a columnist who went on a radio show. its a strong claim so my guess is he hs some facts to back it up. whether it is a hip condition or not, the orioles did have some concern over his health as they actually hadn't planned to contact Bedards agent regarding the trade until AFTER teh phsyical was complete.



thats true

hell it may even have been jones himself


but assuming its true, why now ???

[Basedow]

thats true

hell it may even have been jones himself


but assuming its true, why now ???

it would surprise me if it was a hip condition, but i could see it being something else as i said before. agreed, the timing is uncanny and the fact that the orioles somehow got tipped off to a possible condition is a mystery. all of the claims about a Jones injury have been coming form the baltimore media i think(but cant recall and mlb trade rumors is down): maybe the O's leaked it to make it seem like they had a legit reason for postponing the physical and the trade in order to cover up peter angelos' totalitarian meddling. then again, thats kinda far fetched...

[Bulldogcakes]

MLB trade rumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/02/odds-and-ends-d.html)
Peter Gammons believes a posting fee for phenom Yu Darvish could exceed $100MM. It's a fun idea, but the Nippon Ham Fighters probably won't want to post him anytime soon. We wrote a bit about him on January 1st, spurred by a report of the Yankees' interest

Amazing.

[GvacMobile]

The Cincinnati Reds will be your 2008 World Series Champions!

You'll see!!!

[Bossanova]

The Cincinnati Reds will be your 2008 World Series Champions!

You'll see!!!

I just fell out of my chair with laughter. Thanks for the guffaw so early in the day

[Snoogans]

The Cincinnati Reds will be your 2008 World Series Champions!

You'll see!!!

I couldnt even make that happen in MLB The Show, nevermind it happening in real life

[GvacMobile]

May I submit the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals as Exhibit A?

[Snoogans]

May I submit the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals as Exhibit A?

But they actually have some good players

[Bossanova]

May I submit the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals as Exhibit A?

Why must you dig up such hurtful memories.:glurps:

[Snoogans]

Why must you dig up such hurtful memories.:glurps:

At least Beltran didnt throw up at homeplate before he struck out lookin to end it

[Bossanova]

At least Beltran didnt throw up at homeplate before he struck out lookin to end it

Jesus Christ, do any of my teams have a guy that steps up in the final seconds of any sport.

Well Brodeur with standing

[cougarjake13]

you know what sucks for me as a mets and giants fan ???


my last 2 championships ( 86 mets and 90 giants) were won only b/c the other team fucked up ( buckner and norwood)

[cougarjake13]

The Cincinnati Reds will be your 2008 World Series Champions!

You'll see!!!


of what ?? competitive eating ??? poker ???

[MHasegawa]

you know what sucks for me as a mets and giants fan ???


my last 2 championships ( 86 mets and 90 giants) were won only b/c the other team fucked up ( buckner and norwood)


Dont blame buckner for that, blame the Sox bullpen.

[cougarjake13]

Dont blame buckner for that, blame the Sox bullpen.

yeh either way

the mets didnt win it, the sawx lost it

[Jennitalia]

I guess this would explain why Donnie had to reduce his role with the Dogers, and probably a reason why he wasnt hired as Torre's replacement. Love the mugshot.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2008/feb/04/baseballcoachs-wifearrested/

[Wickedballs]

It is all about the Mets and Santana in the NL this year. Barring any major injury on this team, it has the makings of a World Series contender. Really looking forward to this season.

[Knowledged_one]

Mojo

Have you heard the rumor that the Orioles are going to flip this guy Sherrill from the Marniers in the Brian Roberts deal for 4 or 5 players

Any truth to that rumor on your end in Chicagoland

[Bulldogcakes]

Cubs/Brian Roberts Update (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/02/cubsbrian-rober.html)

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo

Have you heard the rumor that the Orioles are going to flip this guy Sherrill from the Marniers in the Brian Roberts deal for 4 or 5 players

Any truth to that rumor on your end in Chicagoland

Only people talking about that rumor, which originated from the Orioles' message boards and press.

If that deal goes down, I'll weep. Hendry can't be that dumb. Roberts isn't worth it. Something like Gallagher and Murton is more than fair/enough. If the O's want more, fuck them.

[Bulldogcakes]

Updated 2009 Free agent list (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html)

This off season is just about wrapped up with Bedard going to Seattle. Lots of guys got traded or got extensions, so here's the new list.

[Knowledged_one]

Updated 2009 Free agent list (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html)

This off season is just about wrapped up with Bedard going to Seattle. Lots of guys got traded or got extensions, so here's the new list.

Well the deal for Bedard is now official

Now the only thing left is Roberts to the Cubs for Gallagher, Pie and Cedeno

[ralphbxny]

I need baseball....badly!

[led37zep]

I need baseball....badly!


Yes! HURRY THE FUCK UP BASEBALL!!!!!!!

And this is coming from a SF Giants fan.

[IMSlacker]

Well the deal for Bedard is now official

Now the only thing left is Roberts to the Cubs for Gallagher, Pie and Cedeno

Please, please, please, Jim Hendry, I implore you. Do not give up Gallagher, Pie and Cedeno for Roberts. That would be insane.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I figured it was a done deal when Stotelmire counted him on one of his starting pitchers in a Mike & The Mad Dog interview today

[cougarjake13]

I figured it was a done deal when Stotelmire counted him on one of his starting pitchers in a Mike & The Mad Dog interview today

timmy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jauble]

Please, please, please, Jim Hendry, I implore you. Do not give up Gallagher, Pie and Cedeno for Roberts. That would be insane.

agreed

[TheMojoPin]

While I see Gallagher as likely being part of the deal, there's zero chance Pie gets dealt as part of it unless the O's kick back one or two of the primo rookies they just got.

[Knowledged_one]

I will say that acquiring Pie does not make sense in the sense the Orioles have a young OF named Nolan Reimold who is on his way up the system and is about a year away from the bigs. And since they have Payton and Gibbons and Scott under contract acquiring Pie does not make sense to me

Its the same reason i dont see the orioles would want Matt Murton in an already crowded outfield. The same orioles fans want this young catcher that the cubs have who i dont see the cubs giving up and again the O's have Matt Wieters the stud catcher from georgia tech on his way up the ladder

In all other ways MacPhail has done a great job in getting 10 players for 2 in the Tejada and Bedard deals and if he can get a few more pitchers for brian roberts the Orioles may have the best pitching in the minors and have a lot of good young arms on the way up