Bonds Indicted

[Snoogans]

Federal grand jury today indicted Barry Bonds for perjury and obstruction of justice.

[TooLowBrow]

Federal grand jury today indicted Barry Bonds for perjury and obstruction of justice.

damn, thats a tough one

[cougarjake13]

he's done

stick a fork in him

[HBox]

Awesome.

But now A-Rod will have to turn his back on the Yanks again to grab the headlines back.

[jauble]

11 pages 5 counts. This would have been great a couple of months back.

[Earlshog]

The feds have nothing better to do then fuck with this guy?

[TheGameHHH]

fuck barry bonds, but he's a scapegoat in all of this and its unfair. u think they waited until he was a free agent on purpose?

[Snoogans]

Kevin said something to me earlier today that made me think he actually may be right. I hope not cause that would be twice in a week and thats bad.

Anyway, he said he thinks that ARod is rushing this deal with the Yankees now cause he found out he is gonna be on George Mitchell's list when it comes out

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The feds have nothing better to do then fuck with this guy?

yes yes indeed


Now its gonna be Barry "Bail" Bonds

:king:

[BoondockSaint]

Do not lie to the feds.

[Snoogans]

fuck barry bonds, but he's a scapegoat in all of this and its unfair. u think they waited until he was a free agent on purpose?

I hope so, that would be funny as hell

[TheGameHHH]

Kevin said something to me earlier today that made me think he actually may be right. I hope not cause that would be twice in a week and thats bad.

Anyway, he said he thinks that ARod is rushing this deal with the Yankees now cause he found out he is gonna be on George Mitchell's list when it comes out

it's def. possible, but i think a name of A-Rod's stature would have been leaked somehow already.

[Kevin]

Kevin said something to me earlier today that made me think he actually may be right. I hope not cause that would be twice in a week and thats bad.

Anyway, he said he thinks that ARod is rushing this deal with the Yankees now cause he found out he is gonna be on George Mitchell's list when it comes out

Matty is gunna say he said that in July..

[HBox]

Kevin said something to me earlier today that made me think he actually may be right. I hope not cause that would be twice in a week and thats bad.

Anyway, he said he thinks that ARod is rushing this deal with the Yankees now cause he found out he is gonna be on George Mitchell's list when it comes out

Did he get that from every other WFAN caller yesterday?

[Snoogans]

Did he get that from every other WFAN caller yesterday?

HAHAHA he listens to it alot. I cant stand it

[Kevin]

Did he get that from every other WFAN caller yesterday?

The fan? Who am i BDC?

[cougarjake13]

Kevin said something to me earlier today that made me think he actually may be right. I hope not cause that would be twice in a week and thats bad.

Anyway, he said he thinks that ARod is rushing this deal with the Yankees now cause he found out he is gonna be on George Mitchell's list when it comes out

what was the first thing he was right about if i may ask

[Earlshog]

Did he get that from every other WFAN caller yesterday?

It was Jerome... haha

[Snoogans]

what was the first thing he was right about if i may ask

that ARod would come back to the Yankees

[Earlshog]

I hope so, that would be funny as hell

Money is the least of his problems...

well unless we are talking about the taxes he evaded...

[cougarjake13]

that ARod would come back to the Yankees

ahh gotcha

[BoondockSaint]

I wonder if Giambi is a witness.

[chubbyknuckles]

just about every free agent "could' be mentioned in this report. The report is going to list people who were patients of certain doctors known to give the steroids. So regardless if you did or didn't take them, whoever is named will have the cloud. And boo hoo a "cloud" is over your head, you make millions of dollare for playing a game, you sit under that cloud and f'n like it.

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if Giambi is a witness.

snitches get stitches

[lleeder]

just about every free agent "could' be mentioned in this report. The report is going to list people who were patients of certain doctors known to give the steroids. So regardless if you did or didn't take them, whoever is named will have the cloud. And boo hoo a "cloud" is over your head, you make millions of dollare for playing a game, you sit under that cloud and f'n like it.

As long as its not a brain cloud.:wacko:

[Kevin]

As long as its not a brain cloud.:wacko:

Or a shit cloud..

[zildjian361]

Duh********:bye:

[BoondockSaint]

They released Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson from jail today. I'm guessing it's not a coincidence.

Stephen A Smith was just asked on ESPN if he thought race played a role in this and he said, "Absolutely. Let's call a spade a spade." That's the first time I ever laughed at him.

[Snoogans]

They released Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson from jail today. I'm guessing it's not a coincidence.

Stephen A Smith was just asked on ESPN if he thought race played a role in this and he said, "Absolutely. Let's call a spade a spade." That's the first time I ever laughed at him.

he thinks race plays a role in everything. Let me guess, was he yelling at some point during this

[patsopinion]

steven a smith is screaming and yelling that bonds is being victimized as a black athlete and this hole mitchell investigation is bring down the greatest black athlete maybe in sports history

i dont know
yes Mark McGwire used steroids and he wasn't "persecuted" but i don't know that baseball could have gone after him just because they needed to get people watching the game again so there was a free play mentality compared to a competitive league that doesn't put up with cheating which is what we have now

[HBox]

he thinks race plays a role in everything. Let me guess, was he yelling at some point during this

You can tell exactly how he said it just by reading what he said.

[Snoogans]

i think, if it is even a personal thing against bonds, it would be because he was just a rotten douche his whole life before it would be because he is black.

[zildjian361]

They released Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson from jail today. I'm guessing it's not a coincidence.

Stephen A Smith was just asked on ESPN if he thought race played a role in this and he said, "Absolutely. Let's call a spade a spade." That's the first time I ever laughed at him.

you aint the only one.

[Snoogans]

You can tell exactly how he said it just by reading what he said.

sadly i did when i read it. It went through my head as if I watched it. My brain even made up a few more insane lines after it just from habit

[BoondockSaint]

Mark McGwire won't get in the Hall of Fame because he's white! rabble rabble

[HBox]

i think, if it is even a personal thing against bonds, it would be because he was just a rotten douche his whole life before it would be because he is black.

Truth.

[HBox]

Mark McGwire won't get in the Hall of Fame because he's white! rabble rabble

Chuck Knoblauch won't get in because the Hall hates fags! rabble rabble

[Snoogans]

and, umm, im not sure you get indicted because your black. Maybe this happened cause he fuckin lied to the grand jury. Ever think, of that, SAS, you douche

[lleeder]

and, umm, im not sure you get indicted because your black. Maybe this happened cause he fuckin lied to the grand jury. Ever think, of that, SAS, you douche

Thats true they usually just shoot the black people before they get a chance to charge them, arrest them or indicted them. :wink:

[Kevin]

Chuck Knoblauch won't get in because the Hall hates fags! rabble rabble


Weird.. Because i heard Jeter was his best Friend.. Rabble Rabble..

[furie]

he should have been indicted before he hit 755

[led37zep]

I can't wait to see Mitchells list...fuck all them hoes.

[buzzard]

maybe he can get OJ's attorneys :lol:

[ralphbxny]

No one is surprised. I just hope they dont ban him or nothin..id love to see if the sportswriters put him in...or if they ban all the other steroid freaks!

[waltermitty]

Perjury and Obstruction of justice.....

The Bill Clinton charges....

[lleeder]

maybe he can get OJ's attorneys :lol:

He better have a scary telephone.

[Ritalin]

It was Jerome... haha

I couldn't have been Doris from Rego Park.

"...and I ahem thank you ahem for you time ahem and courtesy

[K.C.]

First off, Stephen A. Smith is the biggest douchebag around.

Even when he used to write exclusively for the Philadelphia Inquirer, he was a joke. He's an attention whore who will do or say whatever he has to, to get attention.



Onto Bonds...on one hand, he deserves whatever he gets...on the other, he unfairly will take the fall fo an entire generation of ballplayers. The bottom line is that for a good 10, 15, 20 years, MLB players are suspect of performance enhancers.

Bonds will go down as the poster child for a dark era in baseball. Not sure he deserves that.

[A.J.]

Perjury and Obstruction of justice.....

The Bill Clinton charges....


That's the first thing I thought. Bonds will get a fine and that's it.

[Earlshog]

They released Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson from jail today. I'm guessing it's not a coincidence.

Stephen A Smith was just asked on ESPN if he thought race played a role in this and he said, "Absolutely. Let's call a spade a spade." That's the first time I ever laughed at him.


he better be careful, this is a post Imus world...

[RoyMunson]

I'm not sure what he did and didn't do but i do know that this BAD for baseball.:thumbdown:

[topless_mike]

personally, i think bonds is getting hosed on this.

baseball needed bonds to spark interest in it as he was approaching the record. why are they waiting till now to nail him? kinda odd that the w/s is over, and arod's ordeal is now settled, and they have decided to pin bonds now. this is why i think mlb is in with the feds.

i also think mlb is trying to use him as an example on how they are getting tough on roid laws. mcgwire (sp) got a wrist slap, as did palmiero. if bonds gets anything more than that, then we have a major problem. they know that probably half of the league is using roids, which improves game play which drives up attendence and brings in the $. but nobody likes bonds, and as he approached the record, nobody wanted him to break it (just like hank back in the day), so they harrassed him to save public face.

sorry for the rambling thoughts... its one of those days.

[led37zep]

baseball needed bonds to spark interest in it as he was approaching the record. why are they waiting till now to nail him? kinda odd that the w/s is over, and arod's ordeal is now settled, and they have decided to pin bonds now. this is why i think mlb is in with the feds.


I think you're way off on this bro. Baseball was just coming off the historic battle between McGuire and Sosa..the last thing they wanted was for someone like Barry to come in and take over any Home run record. Mac (at the time) was everything people wanted in a home run king, popular with the fans, great with the media, and a seemingly good family man. Baseball would have been happy with him holding that record for the next 37 years.

Last thing baseball wanted was Barry Bonds to own either HR record.

[Snacks]

personally, i think bonds is getting hosed on this.

baseball needed bonds to spark interest in it as he was approaching the record. why are they waiting till now to nail him? kinda odd that the w/s is over, and arod's ordeal is now settled, and they have decided to pin bonds now. this is why i think mlb is in with the feds.

i also think mlb is trying to use him as an example on how they are getting tough on roid laws. mcgwire (sp) got a wrist slap, as did palmiero. if bonds gets anything more than that, then we have a major problem. they know that probably half of the league is using roids, which improves game play which drives up attendence and brings in the $. but nobody likes bonds, and as he approached the record, nobody wanted him to break it (just like hank back in the day), so they harrassed him to save public face.

sorry for the rambling thoughts... its one of those days.

this may be the first time we agree!!!:clap:

[Snoogans]

this may be the first time we agree!!!:clap:

ummm, how is he getting hosed? If he lied to the grand jury, he is done, if he didnt, he is fine. This is not an opinion issue or based on how anyone feels. This is a factual case about whether he lied under oath

[buzzard]

I hope he's just getting "hosed" just like that cop Peterson in Bollingbrook,Ill. chances are when the feds get involved the fuck-a-thon is on! your tax $$ at work!

[HBox]

personally, i think bonds is getting hosed on this.

baseball needed bonds to spark interest in it as he was approaching the record. why are they waiting till now to nail him? kinda odd that the w/s is over, and arod's ordeal is now settled, and they have decided to pin bonds now. this is why i think mlb is in with the feds.

i also think mlb is trying to use him as an example on how they are getting tough on roid laws. mcgwire (sp) got a wrist slap, as did palmiero. if bonds gets anything more than that, then we have a major problem. they know that probably half of the league is using roids, which improves game play which drives up attendence and brings in the $. but nobody likes bonds, and as he approached the record, nobody wanted him to break it (just like hank back in the day), so they harrassed him to save public face.

sorry for the rambling thoughts... its one of those days.

I don't think MLB has anything to do with this. I think that even though Selig is pissed that Bonds is breaking records by cheating he doesn't want him thrown in jail. This is bad for MLB. And they can't use this as an example of them getting tough on steroids because they aren't doing anything. This is the feds stepping in and doing something. If anything it makes MLB look so weak on steroids that the government had to step in and do something. MLB has done nothing to Bonds. And this doesn't have anything to do with his taking steroids. If he had just admitted it then he would be fine and in no danger of jail time. I don't see Jason Giambi being prosecuted for anything. He lied to a grand jury and that's the only reason he's being prosecuted.

[JimBeam]

From a purely legal standpoint he's probably guilty, if he lied, but there are probably about 500 other people that had they been called would've probably lied as well.

What about Palmeiro ?

Dind't he lie ?

Why hasn't he been indicted ?

Baseball's a joke. Here's a sport that coddles coke-heads and wife beaters and now all of a sudden it's " cleaning up it's act " ?

A sport that has a racist history on par with the pre-intergration Mississippi school system and that celebrates the records of men who played in a segregated era.

A sport that celebrates an era which contains the biggest gambling scam in the history of sports when we know for a fact that at least one team threw a world series.

I'm not one to ever use the race card, and if anything I'm usually the polar opposite of it, but if you think maguire and Bonds were looked at the same way during their homerun chases you're kidding yourself.

There's no arguing that if Bonds were white he wouldn't be getting half of this heat.

Maguire was never anything but a one trick pony ( homeruns ).

bonds was an All-Star, a gold glover and an MVP long before he started hitting 60+ homeruns.

It's great that the gov't has as much time to put into this investigation.

Let's not worry about war, gas prices or anything tangible but let's worry about whether or not some guy who plays a sport lied to us about what he used or didn't use to hit some homeruns.

It's a joke.

He's probably guilty and if so should probably pay the price but then so should everybody that cheated and everybody that knew about the cheating.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The news is reporting that Bonds was Hunting with Ryan Klesko in Colorado when he heard the indictment, Hopefully he didnt pull a Cheney on Klesko

[HBox]

I'm not one to ever use the race card, and if anything I'm usually the polar opposite of it, but if you think maguire and Bonds were looked at the same way during their homerun chases you're kidding yourself.

There is one huge, obvious, glaring, I can't believe you didn't know it so I am assuming you are purposely avoiding it to further your own argument point: McGwire had his choice before the steroid stuff blew up. Hell, I remember him getting crap because a reporter found andro in his locker. So he wasn't completely without criticism either.

And look at him now. He wasn't spared because he is white. He is on the same level as Bonds right now. He was just lucky to finish out his playing career before it blew up. Bonds didn't.

[Snoogans]

There is one huge, obvious, glaring, I can't believe you didn't know it so I am assuming you are purposely avoiding it to further your own argument point: McGwire had his choice before the steroid stuff blew up. Hell, I remember him getting crap because a reporter found andro in his locker. So he wasn't completely without criticism either.

And look at him now. He wasn't spared because he is white. He is on the same level as Bonds right now. He was just lucky to finish out his playing career before it blew up. Bonds didn't.

i also dont remember mcgwire ever lying to a grand jury either

[lleeder]

The news is reporting that Bonds was Hunting with Ryan Klesko in Colorado when he heard the indictment, Hopefully he didnt pull a Cheney on Klesko

bleeeeeck!!!:thumbdown:

[cougarjake13]

they should give him a year in jail for every inch his head grew

[cougarjake13]

There is one huge, obvious, glaring, I can't believe you didn't know it so I am assuming you are purposely avoiding it to further your own argument point: McGwire had his choice before the steroid stuff blew up. Hell, I remember him getting crap because a reporter found andro in his locker. So he wasn't completely without criticism either.

And look at him now. He wasn't spared because he is white. He is on the same level as Bonds right now. He was just lucky to finish out his playing career before it blew up. Bonds didn't.

well it wasnt luck

he choose to retire rather than keep playing with all that controversy at his locker every day there was a game

[cougarjake13]

What about Palmeiro ?

Dind't he lie ?

Why hasn't he been indicted ?

bonds was an All-Star, a gold glover and an MVP long before he started hitting 60+ homeruns.




palmeiro did lie but that was in front of congress, not a grand jury. now congress can also indict him on perjury and maybe they are at some point, maybe not

bonds was a all star gold glover and mvp but he only hit more than 49 that one time, the time he hit 73 but i get your point

[JimBeam]

I'm obvioulsy disappointed in Bonds if he did use the steroids because he didnt have to.

He'd have been a HOFer w/out 700+ hrs.

I don't know what he was thinking.

But the funny thing is it's not like he could've known that taking them would've made him the HR king.

What could he have really expected the boost to be ?

Maybe 12-20 more HRs a year ?

No way he could've known that it'd increase his totals as much as it possibly did.

And that's BS with McGwire ( I thought I had spelled it wrong earlier ) because even when he and Sosa were chasing the record more time was spent on him because he was looked at as the golden boy.

As fars as the others not lying to the grand jury it's only because they weren't called.

If this investigation really meant anything than every player in the league should've been called and not just 6 or 7 All-Stars.

It was very selective to say the least.

[BoondockSaint]

I'm obvioulsy disappointed in Bonds if he did use the steroids because he didnt have to.

He'd have been a HOFer w/out 700+ hrs.

I don't know what he was thinking.

But the funny thing is it's not like he could've known that taking them would've made him the HR king.

What could he have really expected the boost to be ?

Maybe 12-20 more HRs a year ?

No way he could've known that it'd increase his totals as much as it possibly did.

And that's BS with McGwire ( I thought I had spelled it wrong earlier ) because even when he and Sosa were chasing the record more time was spent on him because he was looked at as the golden boy.

As fars as the others not lying to the grand jury it's only because they weren't called.

If this investigation really meant anything than every player in the league should've been called and not just 6 or 7 All-Stars.

It was very selective to say the least.


They called the ones who dealt with BALCO. That was what the original trial was about.

[cougarjake13]

I'm obvioulsy disappointed in Bonds if he did use the steroids because he didnt have to.

He'd have been a HOFer w/out 700+ hrs.

I don't know what he was thinking.

But the funny thing is it's not like he could've known that taking them would've made him the HR king.

What could he have really expected the boost to be ?

Maybe 12-20 more HRs a year ?

No way he could've known that it'd increase his totals as much as it possibly did.

And that's BS with McGwire ( I thought I had spelled it wrong earlier ) because even when he and Sosa were chasing the record more time was spent on him because he was looked at as the golden boy.

As fars as the others not lying to the grand jury it's only because they weren't called.

If this investigation really meant anything than every player in the league should've been called and not just 6 or 7 All-Stars.

It was very selective to say the least.

well i was thinking more that he was taking them so he could play longer and break the record, not necessarily to hit more homers per year

[JimBeam]

But haven't we since found out that there were a lot of other people who dealt w/ BALCO ?

Maybe lesser known players.

One of the other things that has always bothered me about his is when people say " Well Giambi fessed up and that's why he's a good guy. "

That's horseshit. Giambi only fessed up because he apparently got caught.

That's like calling Sammy The Bull a great guy because he told the truth about Gotti.

Of course he did because it was the difference between 200 years in federal prison or the ability to run an Ecstacy ring in Arizona.

Purely alturistic I'm sure.

So w/ that it makes Giambi's farse of a comeback player award the equivalent of Sammy's post testifying drug ring and I only hope it turns out the same for both of them.

[cougarjake13]

But haven't we since found out that there were a lot of other people who dealt w/ BALCO ?

Maybe lesser known players.

One of the other things that has always bothered me about his is when people say " Well Giambi fessed up and that's why he's a good guy. "

That's horseshit. Giambi only fessed up because he apparently got caught.

That's like calling Sammy The Bull a great guy because he told the truth about Gotti.

Of course he did because it was the difference between 200 years in federal prison or the ability to run an Ecstacy ring in Arizona.

Purely alturistic I'm sure.

So w/ that it makes Giambi's farse of a comeback player award the equivalent of Sammy's post testifying drug ring and I only hope it turns out the same for both of them.



yes but giambi and sheffield admited to the grand jury that they used steroids, the records were supossed to be sealed but bonds kept denying he did anything

ater on giambi and sheff admitted it publicly but they already did it behind closed doors at the grand jury

[TheMojoPin]

Snoogans is juicing. With the amount of injuries he's had, the guy should be a cripple. And steroids tend to erase your eyebrows.

[JimBeam]

OK well if that is the way it happened ( although I thought Sheffield had never admitted it either under oath or since, other than that cream admission ) but from a legal standpoint isn't leaked testimony far much worse than the actual lie ?

What if this wasn't some trivial steroid/baseball case and it actually dealt w/ real crimes like murder would we look at leaked testimony and possible witness names as being not such a big deal ?

Isn't the fact that testimony can be sold to writers and/or anybody else a little more alarming then a guy lying to save his skin ?

Don't we assume that almost everybody lies to save their skin when they are on the stand ?

I know swearing to tell the truth is like apple pie and mom but is it every really done ?

And please don't take that as a defense for Bonds lying, which I do disagree w/ and think is awful, but I'm just trying to compare it's damage versus the sanctity of the sealed garnd jury idea.

[BoondockSaint]

OK well if that is the way it happened ( although I thought Sheffield had never admitted it either under oath or since, other than that cream admission ) but from a legal standpoint isn't leaked testimony far much worse than the actual lie ?

What if this wasn't some trivial steroid/baseball case and it actually dealt w/ real crimes like murder would we look at leaked testimony and possible witness names as being not such a big deal ?

Isn't the fact that testimony can be sold to writers and/or anybody else a little more alarming then a guy lying to save his skin ?

Don't we assume that almost everybody lies to save their skin when they are on the stand ?

I know swearing to tell the truth is like apple pie and mom but is it every really done ?

And please don't take that as a defense for Bonds lying, which I do disagree w/ and think is awful, but I'm just trying to compare it's damage versus the sanctity of the sealed garnd jury idea.

Yes the fact that the testimony was leaked is a big deal and they should try to find who did it.

Bonds was given complete immunity and still lied. That tends to piss off the govenment.

[cougarjake13]

OK well if that is the way it happened ( although I thought Sheffield had never admitted it either under oath or since, other than that cream admission ) but from a legal standpoint isn't leaked testimony far much worse than the actual lie ?

What if this wasn't some trivial steroid/baseball case and it actually dealt w/ real crimes like murder would we look at leaked testimony and possible witness names as being not such a big deal ?

Isn't the fact that testimony can be sold to writers and/or anybody else a little more alarming then a guy lying to save his skin ?

Don't we assume that almost everybody lies to save their skin when they are on the stand ?

I know swearing to tell the truth is like apple pie and mom but is it every really done ?

And please don't take that as a defense for Bonds lying, which I do disagree w/ and think is awful, but I'm just trying to compare it's damage versus the sanctity of the sealed garnd jury idea.

yeh as far as i know he only admitted to the cream


yeh i pretty much agree, most people who testify are getting something usually to do it (reduced or no jail time, immunity, etc.). most normal people dont wanna get involved

[JimBeam]

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

Russo and Francessa were talking about some list that's supposed to come out that's going to have a lot of other names on it.

I only caught the ass end of what they were saying so I'm not sure if this is an actual list or one they are presumming is out there somewhere.

[BoondockSaint]

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

Russo and Francessa were talking about some list that's supposed to come out that's going to have a lot of other names on it.

I only caught the ass end of what they were saying so I'm not sure if this is an actual list or one they are presumming is out there somewhere.

Baseball has been paying former Sen. George Mitchell to do an investigation into the history of steroids in baseball. He's wrapping it up and will release his findings in the next month or two, including a list of players who did steroids.

[cougarjake13]

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

Russo and Francessa were talking about some list that's supposed to come out that's going to have a lot of other names on it.

I only caught the ass end of what they were saying so I'm not sure if this is an actual list or one they are presumming is out there somewhere.

yeh its the list from the mitchell investigation

[JimBeam]

I kinda figured that was part of it but I was under the impression that the investigation was gonna take years.

Didn't realize they were close to finished.

[cougarjake13]

I kinda figured that was part of it but I was under the impression that the investigation was gonna take years.

Didn't realize they were close to finished.

yeh its been years

originally i was gonna come out by oct 31 or after the world series ended but its still not released


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