one season- worthy of hof?

[patsopinion]

could one season of incredible play earn a spot in the hall of fame

i think it would me more possible in basketball or football because their is no minors system

take adrain peterson for example
say he sets the single season rushing record in his rookie year... and he could never play again, would that earn him a spot in the hall of fame

could it happen and under what circumstances?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Nope

Kevin Maas will not be in the Hall of Fame Sir

:king:

[Dougie Brootal]

aww man! i thought this thread was gonna be about THE HOFF!!
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[BoondockSaint]

Only a horse.

[patsopinion]

Only a horse.

is there a horse hall of fame?

[BeerBandit]

Roger Maris, 61 in 61, beats the Babe, not in the HOF.

[MM2]

could one season of incredible play earn a spot in the hall of fame

i think it would me more possible in basketball or football because their is no minors system

take adrain peterson for example
say he sets the single season rushing record in his rookie year... and he could never play again, would that earn him a spot in the hall of fame

could it happen and under what circumstances?

Nope, a single season cannot get you inducted into the hall of fame.

If Adrian Peterson sets the single season rushing mark and never plays again, his name will be in the HOF and he'll have a jersey in there somewhere but he will not get a gold jacket and will not have a plaque with his face on it.

[BoondockSaint]

is there a horse hall of fame?


yes. (http://www.racingmuseum.org/)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Skip Away had a Hall of Fame One Year

There are Quite Few Horses that have had great One Years

Its a really hard feat to win atleast 2 triple crown races and a breeders cup event

:king:

[Kevin]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/bob_hamelin_autograph.jpg

[Tallman388]

It's probably not even possible in Football or Basketball. If a player had a great season and then just fell apart after that, most people would attribute it to opposing teams/players making the necessary adjustments to negate said player's ability. Even if the player died after one great season, it would take a lot to get him elected to his respective HOF.

[jauble]

Barring a tragic death ala Roberto Clemente (I do know that he played more than one season) that cut a sure career short I dont think that is possible...but that is still based on a sympathy vote alone.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/bob_hamelin_autograph.jpg

funny thing, I predicted 5 40 HR Seasons for "Home Run Hamelin"

:king:

[MM2]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/bob_hamelin_autograph.jpg

The Royals have had a few, Angel Berroa. He looked like he'd be a 20/20 guy playing good defense for years. Wow he fell off.

[K.C.]

Baseball - no
Football - Yes
Basketball - no
Hockey - maybe

[BoondockSaint]

Barring a tragic death ala Roberto Clemente (I do know that he played more than one season) that cut a sure career short I dont think that is possible...but that is still based on a sympathy vote alone.


Celmente's career really wasn't cut all that short. He played 17 or 18 years and had 3000 hits. If he would have just retired he would have gone in the HoF anyway.

[patsopinion]

Baseball - no
Football - Yes
Basketball - no
Hockey - maybe

what position in football
qb/rb/wr i can see as maybes
but a defensive player or a lineman?

[K.C.]

what position in football
qb/rb/wr i can see as maybes
but a defensive player or a lineman?

The three you mentioned...and it'd have to be a record shattering season that culminates in a Super Bowl win.

Still it's possible.

I'm not sure about defense. Even if a guy shatters the sack, or INT record, I don't know if it's meaningful enough to be HOF worthy.

[donnie_darko]

i know its not the same, but this really makes me think of ken griffey jr, and what should've been.

here's to you griff, and to what could've been.

or barry sanders, i realized this weekend while watching the colts/patriots that I lost interest in football when barry wandered off.

but no, one great season followed by mediocrity doesn't warrant a position in the hall of fame....

[patsopinion]

No im not talking about mediocraty following
although that could be it

one season and then nothing
A rookie who accomplishes X during one season- and then injures himself/dies/looses it after wards

only one season

[cougarjake13]

the only way i see it happening in baseball is if the guy becomes the first player in over 60 years to hit .400 or better, breaks joe d's 56 game hitting streak, breaks barry's 73 homers, hack wilson's 190 rbi's , ricky's 130 steals, and ichiro's 262 hits

[Kevin]

funny thing, I predicted 5 40 HR Seasons for "Home Run Hamelin"

:king:

He should sue you for millions in lost wages..

[Kevin]

No im not talking about mediocraty following
although that could be it

one season and then nothing
A rookie who accomplishes X during one season- and then injures himself/dies/looses it after wards

only one season

If something tragic happens.. Like a freak injury or death.. Then maybe.. But if he just sucks balls for years after, nope..

[BoondockSaint]

the only way i see it happening in baseball is if the guy becomes the first player in over 60 years to hit .400 or better, breaks joe d's 56 game hitting streak, breaks barry's 73 homers, hack wilson's 190 rbi's , ricky's 130 steals, and ichiro's 262 hits

None of those would get you in.

[cougarjake13]

None of those would get you in.

maybe i didnt expalin myself well


i meant if the guy did all those things in one season

[BoondockSaint]

maybe i didnt expalin myself well


i meant if the guy did all those things in one season

OK. I read it wrong but I still hope that wouldn't get you in. Put his memorabilia and stuff in there but don't induct him. Then again I'm very hardline on who is worthy.

[Kevin]

OK. I read it wrong but I still hope that wouldn't get you in. Put his memorabilia and stuff in there but don't induct him. Then again I'm very hardline on who is worthy.

I think about 70% of the people in the Baseball HOF have no buisness being there..

[BoondockSaint]

I think about 70% of the people in the Baseball HOF have no buisness being there..

Yup. But it's not as bad as the football hall of fame where they have to have four inductees every year.

[cougarjake13]

OK. I read it wrong but I still hope that wouldn't get you in. Put his memorabilia and stuff in there but don't induct him. Then again I'm very hardline on who is worthy.

oh yeah his stuff from that year, balls and etc would def go in and they may even have a small section commemerating his great season

but lets say he does all that, wins the mvp award and his team wins the world series and then decides he's done all he can in baseball and retires


maybe then ???

[BoondockSaint]

oh yeah his stuff from that year, balls and etc would def go in and they may even have a small section commemerating his great season

but lets say he does all that, wins the mvp award and his team wins the world series and then decides he's done all he can in baseball and retires


maybe then ???


And that's his rookie season? Then no. There would be so much suspicion about what he was on that he'd never get in.

[cougarjake13]

And that's his rookie season? Then no. There would be so much suspicion about what he was on that he'd never get in.

well yeh i guess it'd have to be his rookie season based on the threads question

[Kevin]

And that's his rookie season? Then no. There would be so much suspicion about what he was on that he'd never get in.

Yea, like i said.. He would have to leave the sport under bad luck.. Injury or death..

[cougarjake13]

Yea, like i said.. He would have to leave the sport under bad luck.. Injury or death..

maybe he tears his mcl, acl, pcl, and every other @cl there is celebrating in the locker room after the game 4 victory in the W.S.

[BoondockSaint]

Yea, like i said.. He would have to leave the sport under bad luck.. Injury or death..

And even then he'd have to be someone of signifigance outside of the sport. So say JFK didn't get shot, he does two terms in the White House and then plays a year for the Yankees and hits .310 with 45hrs and drives in 150. He might go in.

[K.C.]

I don't think it's possible for anyone in baseball to get in short of not breaking, but shattering, every single season record in the same season.

Baseball writers are very protective about the Hall and about emphasizing that it takes a career to get in.


The football HOF isn't nearly as exclusive. We'll see where Brady finishes but if he ends up shattering that TD, and Yardage records for QBs, and posting the best QB rating in NFL history, and the least number of interceptions, and the Pats go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl, I could see a player getting in on that season alone.

[Ritalin]

I think about 70% of the people in the Baseball HOF have no buisness being there..

*cough* Kirby Puckett *cough*

[Snacks]

I don't think it's possible for anyone in baseball to get in short of not breaking, but shattering, every single season record in the same season.

Baseball writers are very protective about the Hall and about emphasizing that it takes a career to get in.


The football HOF isn't nearly as exclusive. We'll see where Brady finishes but if he ends up shattering that TD, and Yardage records for QBs, and posting the best QB rating in NFL history, and the least number of interceptions, and the Pats go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl, I could see a player getting in on that season alone.

Brady is already a hall of fame based on 3 super bowl wins, but this years numbers will atleast show he deserves to be in not just for winning 3 super bowls.

As for the NFL not being too exclusive, look at how many players are in the football hall of fame. Not many. Theres only 211 total players in the hall. Thats not a lot considering there are 50+ players on a team compared to baseball with 1/2 that. Only a total of 30 QB's, how many pitchers are in the hall. Football is (imo) the hardest hof to get in.

The only player who is in the football hof that shouldnt be there is Joe Namith, other then that there are a lot that should be that still havent made it. Most notably Art Monk.

[Kevin]

Brady is already a hall of fame based on 3 super bowl wins, but this years numbers will atleast show he deserves to be in not just for winning 3 super bowls.

As for the NFL not being too exclusive, look at how many players are in the football hall of fame. Not many. Theres only 211 total players in the hall. Thats not a lot considering there are 50+ players on a team compared to baseball with 1/2 that. Only a total of 30 QB's, how many pitchers are in the hall. Football is (imo) the hardest hof to get in.

The only player who is in the football hof that shouldnt be there is Joe Namith, other then that there are a lot that should be that still havent made it. Most notably Art Monk.

But but he had that one game where he made a nothing to lose everything to gain guarantee.. Then didn't do much in.. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT!

[sailor]

As for the NFL not being too exclusive, look at how many players are in the football hall of fame. Not many. Theres only 211 total players in the hall. Thats not a lot considering there are 50+ players on a team compared to baseball with 1/2 that. Only a total of 30 QB's, how many pitchers are in the hall. Football is (imo) the hardest hof to get in.

how many qb's do most teams use in a year? how many pitchers? it's not as simple as just counting up the people who made their respective halls. also, doesn't baseball have more of a representation from the early years of the game? i'd say maybe the best comparison would be to look at how many people are in either hall who played in the 70s. that would be a much more level measure. heck, look at how many people get into each hall every year to see how exclusive either one is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think about 70% of the people in the Baseball HOF have no buisness being there..

...the blacks?

[Tenbatsuzen]

The only player who is in the football hof that shouldnt be there is Joe Namith, other then that there are a lot that should be that still havent made it. Most notably Art Monk.

But but he had that one game where he made a nothing to lose everything to gain guarantee.. Then didn't do much in.. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT!

Not this shit again. If you're comparing Namath's numbers to today's QBs, of course he shouldn't be in. But if you look at Namath's numbers vs. Len Dawson's, Staubach's, etc. they are a lot more comparable. Sure he threw a lot of picks. But he helped put the AFL on the map which led the merger, one of the most important events in NFL history.

[Hottub]

That's true. You can't always base the value of a player just by the stats. There can always be intangibles that the numbers do not reflect.

[sailor]

That's true. You can't always base the value of a player just by the stats. There can always be intangibles that the numbers do not reflect.

namath has big, brass intangibles.

[K.C.]

Brady is already a hall of fame based on 3 super bowl wins, but this years numbers will atleast show he deserves to be in not just for winning 3 super bowls.

As for the NFL not being too exclusive, look at how many players are in the football hall of fame. Not many. Theres only 211 total players in the hall. Thats not a lot considering there are 50+ players on a team compared to baseball with 1/2 that. Only a total of 30 QB's, how many pitchers are in the hall. Football is (imo) the hardest hof to get in.

The only player who is in the football hof that shouldnt be there is Joe Namith, other then that there are a lot that should be that still havent made it. Most notably Art Monk.

I agree Brady was already a Hall of Famer...I was just using his current season, and where he projects with the rest of it, as an example of what it would kind of take for someone to get in with one season.


As for the Baseball vs. Football Hall of Fame...there's no comparison.

Yes, there's 53 players on each NFL roster, but for all intents and purposes, there's 22 starters (11 on defense, 11 on offense) that are considered (special teams, backups don't really count).

-There's 211 Football Hall of Famers since it opened in 1967.

whereas

-There's 280 Baseball Hall of Famers since it opened in 1939.



-The NFL was founded in 1920.

whereas

-Professional baseball and the pool of players considered dates back to the 1880s.



-The NFL selects from a board of 44 members.

whereas

-MLB selects from a pool of over 260 writers or the Veterans committee.


It's much tougher to get in the MLB Hall of Fame.

[BoondockSaint]

I agree Brady was already a Hall of Famer...I was just using his current season, and where he projects with the rest of it, as an example of what it would kind of take for someone to get in with one season.


As for the Baseball vs. Football Hall of Fame...there's no comparison.

Yes, there's 53 players on each NFL roster, but for all intents and purposes, there's 22 starters (11 on defense, 11 on offense) that are considered (special teams, backups don't really count).

-There's 211 Football Hall of Famers since it opened in 1967.

whereas

-There's 280 Baseball Hall of Famers since it opened in 1939.



-The NFL was founded in 1920.

whereas

-Professional baseball and the pool of players considered dates back to the 1880s.



-The NFL selects from a board of 44 members.

whereas

-MLB selects from a pool of over 260 writers or the Veterans committee.


It's much tougher to get in the MLB Hall of Fame.


Ad don't forget that the NFL has a rule that they must put 4 players in every year no matter what. So you could have a year where no one gets enough votes to be elected and they just take the top 4 vote getters.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Also add to that... the Baseball Writers are some of the most self-important, bitter, and egotistical shitheads on the face of the planet. Much harder to get into Cooperstown.

[Snacks]

I agree Brady was already a Hall of Famer...I was just using his current season, and where he projects with the rest of it, as an example of what it would kind of take for someone to get in with one season.


As for the Baseball vs. Football Hall of Fame...there's no comparison.

Yes, there's 53 players on each NFL roster, but for all intents and purposes, there's 22 starters (11 on defense, 11 on offense) that are considered (special teams, backups don't really count).

-There's 211 Football Hall of Famers since it opened in 1967.

whereas

-There's 280 Baseball Hall of Famers since it opened in 1939.



-The NFL was founded in 1920.

whereas

-Professional baseball and the pool of players considered dates back to the 1880s.



-The NFL selects from a board of 44 members.

whereas

-MLB selects from a pool of over 260 writers or the Veterans committee.


It's much tougher to get in the MLB Hall of Fame.

211 includes all of the players from the previous era. 47 of the 211 are pre modern era. So the total is 164 players.

as for the statement about pitchers, you are right there are 10-12 maybe as many as 20 pitchers used a year per team. But thats the only position all the rest of them start 8 other players and for the most part those are the players that play. Every NFL game has a minimum of 22 starters. Plus kickers and punters that no one gives credit to but are the reason for wins and losses. If it wasnt for Viniteri NE would have zero SB's.

As for Namith and comparing himto others of his era. He sucks. Lets compare, ok. How about Fran Tarkenton, Sonny Jurgensen? He couldnt wash their jock strap. Even John Brodie and John Hadl had much more TD's and more yards then Namith. The only reason they arent in the hall is td to int which their ratio is better then Namith.

[sailor]

ray guy needs to be inducted immediately.

and my post about the number of pitchers was only because their hof numbers were being directly compared to qbs. it was really only about those two positions, not entire rosters.

[A.J.]

http://www.banthor.com/hobbs.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

As for Namith and comparing himto others of his era. He sucks. Lets compare, ok. How about Fran Tarkenton, Sonny Jurgensen? He couldnt wash their jock strap. Even John Brodie and John Hadl had much more TD's and more yards then Namith. The only reason they arent in the hall is td to int which their ratio is better then Namith.

First: N-A-M-A-T-H.

Secondly: Jurgensen played six more seasons than Namath did. Even then he only had 5000 more yards than Namath, and his percentage is in the same neighborhood as Joe's.

Third: Tarkenton... It's funny how a ring ups your cred.

Namath's numbers are comparable to Bart Starr, Len Dawson, and others. I'm not saying Namath is a greatest QB on the face of the planet; he's not. He threw a ton of picks. But his impact on the NFL cannot be denied.

Football was different when Namath was inducted. Hindsight is 20/20, but you can't pull someone out of the HOF. Sorry.

[lleeder]

What if the guy played mulitple sports and broke mulitple records then faded away after one year? Say he set the rushing record and the homerun record in the same season then never played again. Like a super Bo Jackson?
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