2009 NBA Offseason Discussion

[underdog]

LeBron passed the ball at the end of Game 1. Kobe doesn't pass it.

I think Lebron reads ronfez.net.

Lost in all this will be the fact that Hedo is a bad motherfucker as well.

Hedo has always been pretty nasty.

[TheGameHHH]

its the next day and i still cant get over how nasty that shot was

[Snoogans]

this is why i love that im a douche. I called LeBron hittin that 3 as soon as Turk hit his jumper, but just being a dick. I was like yea dont worry bron will hit a 3. LOVE IT.


ANTI HIPPO

[TheGameHHH]

this is why i love that im a douche. I called LeBron hittin that 3 as soon as Turk hit his jumper, but just being a dick. I was like yea dont worry bron will hit a 3. LOVE IT.


ANTI HIPPO

i called lebrons shot while turk was in the air with his shot, i was like, 'dont worry turk will hit this then bron will hit a 3 to win with 1.0 seconds left.' i was right, im amazing

[Snoogans]

i called lebrons shot while turk was in the air with his shot, i was like, 'dont worry turk will hit this then bron will hit a 3 to win with 1.0 seconds left.' i was right, im amazing

its amazing, so amazing, its amazing

[Snoogans]

and i seriously cant wait for the black and white slo mo piano music commercial of bron hittin that three and then runnin up the court with his arms out, goin nuts

[TheGameHHH]

and i seriously cant wait for the black and white slo mo piano music commercial of bron hittin that three and then runnin up the court with his arms out, goin nuts

where will amazing happen this year?

[cougarjake13]

this is why i love that im a douche. I called LeBron hittin that 3 as soon as Turk hit his jumper, but just being a dick. I was like yea dont worry bron will hit a 3. LOVE IT.


ANTI HIPPO

i called lebrons shot while turk was in the air with his shot, i was like, 'dont worry turk will hit this then bron will hit a 3 to win with 1.0 seconds left.' i was right, im amazing




how long before they start comparing it to jordans jumper over ehlo ??

[TheGameHHH]

Kobe.....that was a great game

[hammersavage]

Kobe.....that was a great game

Every game is great. The league is really in a great place right now. As long as the officiating isn't over the top, this might be the best series the league has ever had.

[cougarjake13]

how sick is it that denver cou;d easily be up 3-0 but are down 2-1

[razorboy]

It was a tough way for D12 to get 24 & 9. Don't try to tell me for a second that the refs aren't on the take. The officiating in that game was blatantly in the Cav's favor.

[hammersavage]

It was a tough way for D12 to get 24 & 9. Don't try to tell me for a second that the refs aren't on the take. The officiating in that game was blatantly in the Cav's favor.

39-26 free throws. In the Magic's favor.

[razorboy]

39-26 free throws. In the Magic's favor.

The non goaltending call on LeBron, the foul called on Howard on the clean block from behind, a number of blatant fouls not called on the Cavs, blocking a guard in the back in between a PF and a center and calling a foul ...

The Magic should have had, at the very least, the opportunity to make the point differential even more than ten.

[hammersavage]

Officiating just blows, not for either team. All around. AJ's flagrant was a bad one though. LeBron's 1st chasedown wasn't a goaltend.

[ShowerBench]

The non goaltending call on LeBron, the foul called on Howard on the clean block from behind, a number of blatant fouls not called on the Cavs, blocking a guard in the back in between a PF and a center and calling a foul ...

The Magic should have had, at the very least, the opportunity to make the point differential even more than ten.

It was appalling.

[razorboy]

Officiating just blows, not for either team. All around. AJ's flagrant was a bad one though. LeBron's 1st chasedown wasn't a goaltend.

If you look at the replay it absolutely was a goaltend.

And I don't disagree about the officiating, but I watched a number of questionable calls on Howard and Lewis and a number of glaring non-calls on James.

[Crispy123]

Looks like Lebron practices the last minute three more than he does freethows. Tee Hee

[razorboy]

I still want to strangle Chris Andersen to death.

[hammersavage]

I still want to strangle Chris Andersen to death.

I kinda like he's gimmick. He's a great story and the crowd goes apeshit when he comes in.

Another good game, at least played at a high level. Nuggets overcame a bad game from Carmelo. Now its on the Cavs to continue the greatest final 4 ever.

[Snoogans]

Now its on the Cavs to continue the greatest final 4 ever.

Seriously? Cause bron hit 1 game winnin 3 with one second left, this is now the greatest set of conf finals ever? Please tell me this was a fuckin joke

[hammersavage]

Seriously? Cause bron hit 1 game winnin 3 with one second left, this is now the greatest set of conf finals ever? Please tell me this was a fuckin joke

With the talent and the story lines in play, yes. You don't need buzzer beaters for a game to be great unless you don't understand how to watch basketball like some housewife. And it wasn't just some random game winning shot, it was iconic. If that series peters out, then no.

[Shane Peterson]

Lakers all the way baby. Lebron's time will come soon enough, but now, Kobe is still king of the NBA.

[hammersavage]

Lakers all the way baby. Lebron's time will come soon enough, but now, Kobe is still king of the NBA.

It's looking that way for another year.

[hammersavage]

:40 mark is pretty funny.

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[hammersavage]

95 PSAL championship game on MSG right now. Lincoln vs Robeson. Good to see Stephon Marbury had his best moment at the Garden when he was 17.

[hammersavage]

Welcome to the series Boobie Gibson.


You see Mike Brown, the offense runs much more efficiently when West or Williams take the inbounds and dribble upcourt, using LeBron on screens or establishing a post. Instead of LeBron dribbling up for a clear out, and since he's so great getting his points but not getting the rest of the team involved. It took you 3 games to get that Mike Brown?

[razorboy]

For the fucking love of God! Try and tell me the NBA isn't fixed. That was the most bullshit technical I've seen in a long long time.

[hammersavage]

For the fucking love of God! Try and tell me the NBA isn't fixed. That was the most bullshit technical I've seen in a long long time.

Not a good call. Flat out. The league is really sensitive about that type of incident, yelling in a players face while he is down.

To the league's credit, they well almost definitely rescind that. Technically, he missed that free throw, made Ewing's. Doesn't matter


And what does Mike Brown do? Plays Wally Szczerbiak and Ben Wallace in crunch time. Just play James, West, Williams, Varejao and Z you dumb bastard. Joe Smith if you need a 4 off the bench, let Boobie Williams shoot. He's awful.


Skip to My Lou playing the game of his life.

[hammersavage]

It's over

[epo]

For the fucking love of God! Try and tell me the NBA isn't fixed. That was the most bullshit technical I've seen in a long long time.

And now add in that bullshit bailout for LeBron.

[Crispy_Mobile]

oh sweet jesus!

[hammersavage]

And now add in that bullshit bailout for LeBron.

Eh, he got tripped up. He's a superstar so he gets that call.


And we go to overtime.

[epo]

Now add in the fact that Dwight Howard didn't get that call.....at home.

[hammersavage]

Now add in the fact that Dwight Howard didn't get that call.....at home.

That was more legit

[epo]

That was more legit

Smell that? Its David Stern giving the referees instructions.

[K.C.]

Why does the NBA even try to put forth the illusion of competitive basketball games?

LeBron basically gets to play like it's NBA Jam on the SNES.

[ShowerBench]

And the LeBron coddling continues unabated. Beyond the pale.

[epo]

Why does the NBA even try to put forth the illusion of competitive basketball games?

LeBron basically gets to play like it's NBA Jam on the SNES.

Exactly. This is almost as ridiculous as Game 6 of Lakers/Kings in 2002.

[epo]

Rashard Lewis didn't even touch him.

[K.C.]

The Magic are on the verge of defeating the Vast NBA Conspiracy and taking a 3-1 lead.

Some refs are going to get a tongue-lashing from the boss after tonight's game. No way this doesn't go seven...the Conspiracy shan't allow it.

[epo]

Is LeBron trying to make me hate him? He shoots a stupid 3 and just into Dwight Howard who is standing up & down and cries for the foul.

Fuck him.

[TheGameHHH]

and to think.....Orlando was one miracle shot away from sweeping the Cavs

[Kevin]

Fuck the Cavs

[epo]

The refereeing is so bad that I don't even like the Magic, but yet still find myself pulling for them.

[Crispy_Mobile]

The Magic continue their march to destiny baby!

[TheGameHHH]

The refereeing is so bad that I don't even like the Magic, but yet still find myself pulling for them.

once you accept that LeBron, Kobe and Wade get calls that nobody else gets its ok. Jordan got the same kind of treatment and everyone is cool with it.

[razorboy]

I'm happy with the outcome, but the officiating was just horrendously one-sided tonight. I honestly can't imagine how the Magic didn't get more T's just based off reacting to the ineptitude and obvious bias of the refs.

[Kevin]

once you accept that LeBron, Kobe and Wade get calls that nobody else gets its ok. Jordan got the same kind of treatment and everyone is cool with it.

Its still doesn't make it right.

These fucking teams pour their heart and soul into these games. Its a joke that the refs take it away.

The NBA is worse than the fucking WWE

[TheGameHHH]

Its still doesn't make it right.

These fucking teams pour their heart and soul into these games. Its a joke that the refs take it away.

The NBA is worse than the fucking WWE

i completely agree, its bullshit and it doesnt make it right. but thats the way it is and its not gonna change. so, i just take the route of accepting it and it makes these types of games a lot easier to watch.

[hammersavage]

and to think.....Orlando was one miracle shot away from sweeping the Cavs

If the Cavs hit their 2, they'd be up 3-1.

[TheGameHHH]

If the Cavs hit their 2, they'd be up 3-1.

yea i know 'what ifs' are stupid, i just liked how that whole last few seconds unfolded in game 2. turk with the big shot followed by lebrons.

[hammersavage]

yea i know 'what ifs' are stupid, i just liked how that whole last few seconds unfolded in game 2. turk with the big shot followed by lebrons.

No, I'm with you. Mo Williams shot goes off the back of the rim. LeBron's shot tonight, a bad look, but I thought it had a good chance to go in. A series played on a wire.

[Suspect Chin]

I totally missed hearing about Rodney Rogers getting paralyzed until they had him on tonight. Sad story.

[Crispy123]

No, I'm with you. Mo Williams shot goes off the back of the rim. LeBron's shot tonight, a bad look, but I thought it had a good chance to go in. A series played on a wire.

Keeping it close is good for the Magic they are a defensively dominant team. All the Cavs have is Lebron. He better get all the calls going his way, cause if he fouls out they are totally fucked.

[hammersavage]

Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard is back to two technical fouls away from suspension territory.

The NBA announced Wednesday that it has rescinded Howard's sixth technical foul of the playoffs, which he was given for taunting Anderson Varejao after a layup in the fourth quarter of the Magic's 116-114 overtime victory Tuesday night. Cleveland's forward had draped his arms around Howard in a failed attempt to stop him from scoring.

Howard's total of technicals for the postseason is thus back down to five. Players receive a one-game suspension after reaching seven technical fouls and further one-game suspensions for every other technical thereafter.

I said they would. The problem is the refs are so trigger happy to make these calls, they shouldn't have to downgrade them afterwards. Just get them right at the time.

[Doctor Z]

It's been a very exciting post-season, but the reffing has been nothing short of embarrassing. Please get your shit straight, NBA referees. Inconsistent and whistle-happy.

[hammersavage]

Karl just cried about the officiating for this game. I disagree. Calls were way down, the game had somewhat of a flow, clean blocks that were good no calls. Maybe he has a gripe because its inconsistent from the rest of the series, but good tonight.

[TheGameHHH]

Karl just cried about the officiating for this game. I disagree. Calls were way down, the game had somewhat of a flow, clean blocks that were good no calls. Maybe he has a gripe because its inconsistent from the rest of the series, but good tonight.

did you see the press conference? it was a george karl bitch-fest. and he took a little shot at phil jackson too

[King Hippos Bandaid]

8-0 run by the Magic, this team will not get blown out, Lebron may need to make another 30 footer if the Cavs have a chance

[hammersavage]

I've never seen a team give back leads so easily and so quickly. It's unreal. Mike Brown should be shot at half.

[Suspect Chin]

Was Lebron even on the court for the entire 2nd quarter?

[Doctor Z]

WOW, do the Cavs suck at holding leads.

[Cyber Trucker]

Coming from Cleveland I can tell yall I think the Cavs are fucked. I go down with the ship as a fan but this don't look good. Dam I thought this was our year.:down:

[Suspect Chin]

Ron seems really into the NBA playoffs this year. How cool would it be if they did a live show for a game 7 if one came up?

[Suspect Chin]

Lebron taking the game over. Finally.

[Crispy123]

Lebron taking the game over. Finally.

You mean the refs took the game over. :thumbdown:

[Suspect Chin]

The only player older than Lebron in the league is Greg Oden.

[Cyber Trucker]

WOW, do the Cavs suck at holding leads.

They did it tonight can they do it 2 more times

[TheGameHHH]

this was surprisingly one of the more boring games of the playoffs in my opinion. orlando got way too 3 happy (as they do every game) and 'Bron just capitalized on the opportunities he was given.

[Crispy123]

They did it tonight can they do it 2 more times

Please, they did not hold the lead. Anytime Lebron missed a layup it was a foul. And when he charged Dwight Howard it was a foul on Howard. The referees handed the game to King James.

[Suspect Chin]

this was surprisingly one of the more boring games of the playoffs in my opinion. orlando got way too 3 happy (as they do every game) and 'Bron just capitalized on the opportunities he was given.

It looked like it was going to turn into a classic, but the Magic couldn't hang with Lebron as time wound down. I expected their team to go basket for basket with him with him carrying the team until the end. Everyone ran out of gas with about 3 minutes left.

[Cyber Trucker]

Please, they did not hold the lead. Anytime Lebron missed a layup it was a foul. And when he charged Dwight Howard it was a foul on Howard. The referees handed the game to King James.

No argument there The Cavs sucked ass all night

[Crispy123]

No argument there The Cavs sucked ass all night

Yeah it was cummy and shitty all the way around. I did like seeing Jay Z in the stands though.

[hammersavage]

Please, they did not hold the lead. Anytime Lebron missed a layup it was a foul. And when he charged Dwight Howard it was a foul on Howard. The referees handed the game to King James.

Magic went to the line 7 more times than the Cavs. That call on Howard was the absolute right call, he was moving his feet and ran into LeBron's body.

Pietrus has been great for the Magic. All playoffs.


Hopefully, Mike Brown realizes that Boobie Gibson should play more. If you are gonna use LeBron on a clear out, at least have two 3pt shooters on the perimeter like Boobie and Mo. I doubt it though, he's pretty stupid.


And 37, 14, and 12 is just retarded. Maybe his 2nd best playoff performance.

[Crispy123]

Magic went to the line 7 more times than the Cavs. That call on Howard was the absolute right call, he was moving his feet and ran into LeBron's body.



BS He was planted and his arms were straight up. I know it sounds like a bitch fest and Im not going to do it anymore but it was given to the Cavs, they didn't win.

[hammersavage]

BS He was planted and his arms were straight up. I know it sounds like a bitch fest and Im not going to do it anymore but it was given to the Cavs, they didn't win.

His feet were moving. Definitely. Officiating sucks, but it sucks both ways.

[Suspect Chin]

BS He was planted and his arms were straight up. I know it sounds like a bitch fest and Im not going to do it anymore but it was given to the Cavs, they didn't win.

They won by 10. You can't tell me the 2-3 nitpicky fouls you are complaining about could have made up for that deficit.

[hammersavage]

They won by 10. You can't tell me the 2-3 nitpicky fouls you are complaining about could have made up for that deficit.

They lost the free throw comparison. Bad officiating again, but they didn't overreact with any flagrants or techs tonight. Its sad but that's a compliment.

[Crispy123]

Officiating sucks, but it sucks both ways.

Agreed. I'm just pissy, need to go for a run!

[Suspect Chin]

Are you seeing Dwight Howard's all white suit in the post game interviews? I remember when the NBA said they had to dress up on the sidelines and for interviews and everyone complained, but now they are just going all out with the suits. I love it.

[hammersavage]

Are you seeing Dwight Howard's all white suit in the post game interviews? I remember when the NBA said they had to dress up on the sidelines and for interviews and everyone complained, but now they are just going all out with the suits. I love it.

It's a big reason why I love the NBA so much. Better costumes than the WWE at this point. The Draft is the Mt. Everast of over the top suits, it's amazing.

[TheGameHHH]

And 37, 14, and 12 is just retarded. Maybe his 2nd best playoff performance.

after what? the game 7 against detroit in '06?

[hammersavage]

after what? the game 7 against detroit in '06?

I know you mean game 5 in 06-07 playoffs against Detroit. Got down 0-2 in the series, won the next 4. In game 5 he scored 48, his teams last 25 into double overtime.

[TheMojoPin]

It's a big reason why I love the NBA so much. Better costumes than the WWE at this point. The Draft is the Mt. Everast of over the top suits, it's amazing.

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/noah.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

I know you mean game 5 in 06-07 playoffs against Detroit. Got down 0-2 in the series, won the next 4. In game 5 he scored 48, his teams last 25 into double overtime.

yes, thats exactly what i mean. im retarded

[Doctor Z]

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/noah.jpg

I hope his mom is proud.

[TheMojoPin]

I hope his mom is proud.

I shit you not, his mom was Miss Sweden 1978. His dad was a pro tennis player and singer.

The apple fell pretty damn far from the tree, looks-wise (except for the gap)

[hammersavage]

Lake show in the Finals for the 30th time. Kobe was unreal tonight. Hopefully, tomorrow nights game can be more competitive.

Joey Crawford is the best official in the association right now, sans a Spurs game.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Owen Nuggets

[Suspect Chin]

What is it about the NBA that makes it so difficult to officiate? You never hear these sorts of complaints in other major sports.

Has it become too fast paced for these old men to keep up?

Is it just that fouls are so subjective and not as clearly defined as fair/foul, inbounds/out of bounds, reception/incomplete, etc.?

[hammersavage]

What is it about the NBA that makes it so difficult to officiate? You never hear these sorts of complaints in other major sports.

Has it become too fast paced for these old men to keep up?

Is it just that fouls are so subjective and not as clearly defined as fair/foul, inbounds/out of bounds, reception/incomplete, etc.?

Definitely these things. Don't forget home court. Same reason why its the biggest advantage in any sport, the crowd is so close and so loud, its only human.

And superstars get the calls because they are given the benefit of the doubt for being so good. How could Kobe miss that shot or LeBron lost that handle.

And they are just too old. Dick Bavetta is 70. 70!!!!!!!! and he has to keep up with LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. Get real.

Flopping from the foreign players, a huge problem a few years ago, they did a good job of cracking down. Now its complaining about calls, gives the appearance that every call is bad. I'd like to see them crack down on that.

But get younger and train them. It's retarded that certain refs are allowed to even ref certain teams (ie: Joey Crawford in San Antonio). Someone has to keep on top of that. It's fixable, I hope.

[Stuft]

....It's fixable, I hope.

It all certainly is. The majority of these games aren't even entertaining anymore- and basketball is my favorite sport!

College basketball is where it's at and March Madness is the best time of year!

[TheGameHHH]

Lake show in the Finals for the 30th time. Kobe was unreal tonight. Hopefully, tomorrow nights game can be more competitive.

Joey Crawford is the best official in the association right now, sans a Spurs game.

IF Kobe gets himself a ring, where does it rank him? and this is now his 6th finals appearance

[hammersavage]

IF Kobe gets himself a ring, where does it rank him? and this is now his 6th finals appearance

Top 8 all time probably.

[TheGameHHH]

Top 8 all time probably.

now give me your opinion and not Bill Simmons' (just kidding, buddy)

[hammersavage]

now give me your opinion and not Bill Simmons' (just kidding, buddy)

Ha, you're right. His list was accurate though.

[TheGameHHH]

the LeBron's better start making a run

[Cyber Trucker]

the LeBron's better start making a run

They blew it. Fucking Cavs:wallbash:

[Suspect Chin]

It's going to take a miracle.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

the Magic would have to Hippo the lead in order to lose this one



Gasol better get some Vaseline, because Dwight Howard is gonna penetrate him

[Suspect Chin]

I met a guy on a plane yesterday whose company was taking 20 employees to this game. Too bad its a dud, but that is one hell of an expenditure.

[TheGameHHH]

the Magic would have to Hippo the lead in order to lose this one



Gasol better get some Vaseline, because Dwight Howard is gonna penetrate him

if the lakers wanna win they have to use Gasol and Bynum down low to bang bodies with Howard. Ilgauskis and Varejaro were terrible at it.

[razorboy]

Hells to the motherfucking yeah. D12 bitches.

[Crispy_Mobile]

woohoo!!! magic are in baby!!!

[Suspect Chin]

Hells to the motherfucking yeah. D12 bitches.

Chuuch.

[hammersavage]

I had a bet on both the Cavs and the Magic before the season to win the championship. Magic payed more. I'm happy! But here comes a big hedge.

[Suspect Chin]

I had a bet on both the Cavs and the Magic before the season to win the championship. Magic payed more. I'm happy! But here comes a big hedge.

Talk about a long term bet. Ron's friend would not approve.

[hammersavage]

Talk about a long term bet. Ron's friend would not approve.

Patience my friend. I do it every year, as well as 4 teams over/under for the year.

[Suspect Chin]

Patience my friend. I do it every year, as well as 4 teams over/under for the year.

I am impressed. I just started my long road of degeneracy with horse handicapping, but I might have to give this a shot next year.

[hammersavage]

I am impressed. I just started my long road of degeneracy with horse handicapping, but I might have to give this a shot next year.

Do not be impressed.

But I will gladly talk basketball if you ever need direction. I have no clear cut favorite team so the action helps keep my interest.

[Suspect Chin]

Do you bet online or are you close enough to a sportsbook?

[hammersavage]

Online. But if Atlantic City gets sports betting that's bad news for me. I only bet futures really, keeps me into the sport long term without killing me $ wise.

[Suspect Chin]

What kind of $$ we talking for the season long bet you mentioned earlier?

[hammersavage]

What kind of $$ we talking for the season long bet you mentioned earlier?

Well, the odds for winning the championship are usually very good for every team except for 1 or 2. This season was the Celtics and Lakers as big favorites. I bet only $25 on the Cavs and Magic. Their odds would bring back $400 and $600 respectively cuz their odds were pretty good. Then I pick 4 teams and bet $200 on each to go over or under.

[led37zep]

I hate the lakers.


Can we write that down somewhere?

I guess I'm now a Magic fan for the next few weeks.

[Crispy123]

Gasol better get some Vaseline, because Dwight Howard is gonna penetrate him


Its so true.

[epo]

No press conference LeBron? Until you can man up after a giant loss, you aren't a superstar.

[Gvac]

No press conference LeBron? Until you can man up after a giant loss, you aren't a superstar.

I guess he ain't all that.

[cougarjake13]

i was just thinking about it today


the lakers have represented the western conference in the finals for the 6th time this decade

with san antonio representing 3 times

the last remaining appearance was by dallas




so basically this decade its been either lakers or spurs in the western conference

[JimBeam]

No press conference LeBron? Until you can man up after a giant loss, you aren't a superstar.

I love how all his apologists were making excuses for him.

One of the guys on FAN yesterday morning, Richard Neer or Jody MacDonald, was complaining about his callers that were mocking James for leaving the court like a pussy by saying " OK so he did it one time in his entire career and now it's a habit ? "

The point is he did it at his most difficult time which makes him look like a crybaby.

Anybody can meet w/ the press and shake hands when they win a series 4-0 but when you lose the biggest games of your career now all of a sudden you're a " competitor " and don't like to congratulate the team that beat you ?

His explanation, while wearing a Yankee hat like the poser he is, was that he's a winner and he doesn't like to congratulate the team that beat him.

Well you know what scumbag, there are plenty of guys in the history of your sport that have won a lot more than you ( since you haven't won a damn thing ) and have been graceful in losses.

F*ck him !!

I just wish Howard would've knocked his block off in one game.

[hammersavage]

the 24 year old kid blew off the press. he made a mistake. calm down

[JimBeam]

Oh he's just a kid when he loses but " King James " when he wins ?

Just what is he king of w/ 1 MVP and no titles ?

Lots of players were his age when they lost games ( Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade, etc ... ) and I don't remember hearing about them being tit babies when they lost.

Is this when the argument that he had no supporting cast is raised ?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

If Howard owns like he should and Pietrus annoys Kobe like he should

this series can go either way


I will refrain from any predictions, just observations after the games

[cougarjake13]

Oh he's just a kid when he loses but " King James " when he wins ?

Just what is he king of w/ 1 MVP and no titles ?

Lots of players were his age when they lost games ( Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade, etc ... ) and I don't remember hearing about them being tit babies when they lost.

Is this when the argument that he had no supporting cast is raised ?



yes

[ShowerBench]

His explanation, while wearing a Yankee hat like the poser he is, was that he's a winner and he doesn't like to congratulate the team that beat him.

Well you know what scumbag, there are plenty of guys in the history of your sport that have won a lot more than you ( since you haven't won a damn thing ) and have been graceful in losses.

F*ck him !!

I just wish Howard would've knocked his block off in one game.

TRUTH BOMB

http://www.smallexplosions.com/images/nuclear-bomb-badger350.jpg

[hanso]

Would have liked a magic nuggets match up.
Just to be able to say "magic nuggets" Lol.

But the real match up imo.
The magic have 3pt shooters and when these guys are on. There is no stopping them.

[Stuft]

I am not even close to a King James supporter and i hate what the NBA has become, w/ a passion, but....do you not grasp what it's like to be a 24 yr old? Of course he's gonna ride the highs and he will learn to ride the lows, as well. Crybaby? He's young as hell...how many decisions did you make at that age (w/ that kinda impact) that could be deemed *right*? I just don't get fuckos that have that vested an interest, to berate someone. Grow the fuck up.

[Crispy123]

Thank you ESD for putting the red-headed retard wammy on the lakers. Go Magic!

[Earlshog]

Its one thing to shoot over a small team like Cleveland different story with Ariza, Bynum, and Gasol etc.

Who is going to slow down Kobe Bryant?

Will Howard be able to stay out of foul trouble?

Who is Turkoglu going to guard?

Everyone thought the Lakers would take Detroit apart in 2004 and The Pistons would have swept them had it not be for a Kobe hitting a miracle shot. Hopefully we will see an exciting series that will culminate in a game 7.

[Earlshog]

Lakers in 6

[CYYYFYYY]

Magic In 3!

[cougarjake13]

Magic In 3!

then what ??

[hammersavage]

So I guess it should be Lakers in 6. I should have learned my lesson that the regular season means something after last round but I can't. Hope I'm wrong, I hate Kobe deep down.

[TheGameHHH]

great first half for Kobe and the Lake Show

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Kobe is pwning the Magic


but the Magic like being down 20, they play their best ball then

[spoon]

Kobe is pwning the Magic


but the Magic like being down 20, they play their best ball then

u said "pwning".....u can kill yourself now

Go Magic Go!

[Snoogans]

u said "pwning".....u can kill yourself now

Go Magic Go!

i feel so sick after seein his gayness.

We all just got Jewed by hippo

[King Hippos Bandaid]

u said "pwning".....u can kill yourself now

Go Magic Go!


that was a typo, I meant to say owning


the o and p are next to each other


guess suicide is the only option

[hammersavage]

Gasol/Lewis is a bigger mismatch than I thought. Gasol is so versatile, he can post Rashard up which he can't defend. Keeps two big defenders inside and opens things up a little bit for Kobe. Magic looked really outmatched. I don't think they have a chance in this series but they better win 1 game of I lose money.

[epo]

Since Phil has never lost a 7 game series in which he's won game 1, I'm guessing this prick is over.

Sorry Red, Phil is #1 now.

[spoon]

I am afraid of no ghost.

[cougarjake13]

Since Phil has never lost a 7 game series in which he's won game 1, I'm guessing this prick is over.

Sorry Red, Phil is #1 now.

hes gotta lose sometime

[hammersavage]

Van Gundy has to realize that Rashard Lewis has no shot on the defensive end against Gasol. He's gonna have to try Gortat and Howard at the same time against Bynum and Gasol. Try Rashard against Odom when the Lakers go small.

[hammersavage]

And what do you know. Gortat and Howard in together moments after I say it. You're ripping me off Van Gundy

[cougarjake13]

i hope the magic win just to make it a good series

[IamFogHat]

Does the camera seem weird to anyone, like washed out? Or is it just my local feed?

[hammersavage]

Does the camera seem weird to anyone, like washed out? Or is it just my local feed?

A little. Like the whites are brighter than normal

[cougarjake13]

A little. Like the whites are brighter than normal

nah theres just more europeans in the nba these days

[IamFogHat]

A little. Like the whites are brighter than normal

Seriously, it's the fucking NBA finals. Someone's getting fired tomorrow.
BTW, does this board not care about the NBA? Where is anyone?

[hammersavage]

Tony Awards are on

[cougarjake13]

Tony Awards are on



no thanx

[hammersavage]

Might be one of the sloppiest first halfs ever. Rashard Lewis went off in the 2nd when they switched up. He has 20 of the 35 of his team. Crazy

[IamFogHat]

Can someone quickly remind me what the bet was between Fez and Dave, I totally forget now?

[IamFogHat]

BTW, is this the whitest NBA finals in the last 25 years or am I crazy?

[IamFogHat]

Maybe the worst call in NBA history.

[spoon]

Maybe the worst call in NBA history.

Backed up by yet another!

Fuck this NBA reffing.

[spoon]

And Jack SIT THE FUCK DOWN!

Why is he allowed to just walk on the court? He actually got right in the way of the van gundy during the game.

[hammersavage]

Maybe the worst call in NBA history.

What one? The Ariza reach in?

[Snoogans]

What one? The Ariza reach in?

every foul so far that sent kobe to the line in the 4th was bullshit

[hammersavage]

JJ Reddick, cold blooded! Suck it Adam Morrison.

And now Hedo

[hammersavage]

Huge play Hedo. He'll have .9 to catch and shoot too, I'm guessing.

[IamFogHat]

The fuck!!!!???? That was the cleanest block I've ever seen!! Fucking LA refs:furious:

[underdog]

The fuck!!!!???? That was the cleanest block I've ever seen!! Fucking LA refs:furious:

What?

Why is Hedo taking it out of bounds? Isn't he the guy you want taking the shot?

[hammersavage]

The fuck!!!!???? That was the cleanest block I've ever seen!! Fucking LA refs:furious:

That's why they didn't call a foul.

What?

Why is Hedo taking it out of bounds? Isn't he the guy you want taking the shot?

Made no sense. They need someone with size to do it. I would think Gortat or Battie would be better. Free up Gasol, Lewis and Reddick. Lee had it regardless.

[spoon]

NICE!

I hate the nba and all, but somehow I hate Kobe and the Lakers more. Does that even make sense!? Fuck, why start now?

[IamFogHat]

Why would you shoot a three in overtime?
*edit*In that situation I mean.

[IamFogHat]

Well this game's over. LA just looks like a better organized and coached team to be honest.

[Snoogans]

glad to see they dont call goaltending. NBA should reverse it, call that goaltend on gasol, and give the game to orlando. The refs REALLY blew it

[King Hippos Bandaid]

fucking magic, Howard did not need to push off there

[spoon]

well, technically that last shot should have been goaltending and the magic won

so much for the rules i guess

and make sure not to look at kobe....it's a foul

[IamFogHat]

glad to see they dont call goaltending. NBA should reverse it, call that goaltend on gasol, and give the game to orlando. The refs REALLY blew it

Watching the replays, on both sides, the reffing in this game as sucked huge cock. I'm not invested either way, but dammit what are they doing?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

well, technically that last shot should have been goaltending and the magic won

so much for the rules i guess

and make sure not to look at kobe....it's a foul'


the Magic will need to win by 6 or more in LA LA land

hopefully the Magic will bounce back to make it a series

[hammersavage]

I think the clock didn't run. That's clearly a three.

[Snoogans]

Watching the replays, on both sides, the reffing in this game as sucked huge cock. I'm not invested either way, but dammit what are they doing?

the entire playoffs it has. Both ways, against and for every team. It was the worst kind of reffing. At least if a bad ump or ref is consistant in what he calls, then you can deal. They are just all over the place

[IamFogHat]

Well fuck, that was an exciting second half at least.

[hammersavage]

I think the Magic figured out a way to beat the Lakers. Go big and slot Lewis and Hedo down. Skip and Nelson were non existent tonight and they almost won.

[cougarjake13]

magic were up 91-90 and just got the ball back

instead of trying to find a new guy to get a jumpshot in for 2 and go up 3

they go to reddick ( yes he was open ) but unccessarily threw up a 3 and the lakers took over from there

[Pestz4Evah]

Lakers coach says Gasol goaltended (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4246830)

[hammersavage]

Lakers coach says Gasol goaltended (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4246830)

For me, its one of those situations in which that may be the right call, but I'm glad they didn't call it there. It didn't effect the shot. I'm sure every Magic fan disagrees but I was alright with it.

[hammersavage]

Kobe is downright deadly tonight. 50+ is definitely in play.

[Dudeman]

the ref's are doing their job tonight... stern doesn't want a sweep- he wants more ad revenue. howard should have 4 fouls already

[Pestz4Evah]

Kings hire Paul Westphal...ugh.

[Crispy_Mobile]

this game is awesome! magic have to pull this one out.

[spoon]

Kobe is downright deadly tonight. 50+ is definitely in play.

oooops

[hammersavage]

oooops

Might have been a little off there. He had 2 in the 2nd half I think. Great job by Lee.



Thoughts:
1-That Bynum contract is an albatross. He is useless.
2-Gasol might be underrated even though he was 3rd team all NBA. He has so many moves to score for a guy his size. Incredible.
3-Howard deserves all the credit in the world for becoming a competent free throw shooter. If he adds another low post move, he will be an EVERYDAY dominate center.
4-That's how a crowd should sound in an NBA Finals game. LA blows.
5-What if Courtney Lee's layup goes in??

[King Hippos Bandaid]

wow what a fucking waste of a 5 point lead


can you fucking hit a clutch free throw Dwight Howard, one ft pretty much ices the game

[underdog]

STOP LEAVING DERRICK FISHER OPEN.

Good defense.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Fucking Chokers


the Magic seem happy being a bride's maid


sit Dwight Howard when up by 6 or less in the final minute, a thank you

[epo]

STOP LEAVING DERRICK FISHER OPEN.



Exactly.

[TheGameHHH]

Exactly.

they left him open most of the night and he was laying bricks like a mason. more importantly you cant leave him open in the clutch

[epo]

they left him open most of the night and he was laying bricks like a mason. more importantly you cant leave him open in the clutch

Sure leave Fisher open in the second quarter or even better while he's wearing a Warriors jersey. But leaving Fisher open with 4 seconds left or in OT of the NBA Finals is just stupid.

Shame on you Jameer Nelson!

[hammersavage]

I wouldn't say Fisher was that open on the one he hit in the 4th. Fairly well contested.

And well reffed. It needs to be said cuz they get trashed so bad. I thought last game and this was pretty fair, the home team favored a little bit.

The Magic are a Lee layup and Howard free throws away from being up 3-1.

[cougarjake13]

I wouldn't say Fisher was that open on the one he hit in the 4th. Fairly well contested.

And well reffed. It needs to be said cuz they get trashed so bad. I thought last game and this was pretty fair, the home team favored a little bit.

The Magic are a Lee layup and Howard free throws away from being up 3-1.

the lee layup was awkward although he had a good opportunity




but one d howard free throw and its at least tied 2-2

[Earlshog]

Lakers are the champs... great season... congrats!

[KingModem]

Thank God it is over.

[Dudeman]

why does bill russell insist on being everywhere to get his ass kissed? with kareem in orlando, he isn't even the best center in the room right now.

[hammersavage]

Boring Finals. But really good season overall.

The Shaq to Cleveland rumors will be all the rage. I think its 5 months too late and won't put them over the top. But they will have cap space to be the favorites next year if Ariza/Odom leave LA.

[cougarjake13]

Boring Finals. But really good season overall.

The Shaq to Cleveland rumors will be all the rage. I think its 5 months too late and won't put them over the top. But they will have cap space to be the favorites next year if Ariza/Odom leave LA.

boring ??


just b/c a layup missed and howard missed at least one free throw and the lakers won 4-1 doesnt mean it was boring

[jab]

boring ??


just b/c a layup missed and howard missed at least one free throw and the lakers won 4-1 doesnt mean it was boring

not enough beer ads, country music between quarters, or america is awesome type attitude. BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRING.

[hammersavage]

boring ??


just b/c a layup missed and howard missed at least one free throw and the lakers won 4-1 doesnt mean it was boring

Game 1 and 5 sucked ass. Neither of the overtime sessions were competitive. Over reffed. It's the finals, way more people should have been talking about it. I think people blew their wad wishing for Kobe/LeBron and were let down.

[Pestz4Evah]

Kevin Love, breaking news on Twitter: (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXk3F_Q5xEkh0BFK9Gs9O0yXuN6AD98S92OG2)

Today is a sad day...Kevin McHale will NOT be back as head coach next season. about 3 hours ago (http://m.twitter.com/kevin_love)

Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Love says on Twitter that Kevin McHale will not return as coach next season.

In an update posted early Wednesday, Love tweeted, "Today is a sad day ... Kevin McHale will NOT be back as head coach this season."

Upon seeing the posting, a person in the league was told McHale sent a text message to Love indicating he was not coming back. The person requested anonymity because no official announcement has been made.

[Pestz4Evah]

The draft is next Thursday, and Ricky Rubio is in Sacramento (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fML8NINtbQ), and the Kings are the only team he is meeting while he is in the States.

I want this kid, just gotta hope that Memphis wants Thabeet and that OKC is happy with Westbrook.

[Pestz4Evah]

The rumored Draft Green Room invites...from DraftExpress: (http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Word-on-the-Street-June-22nd-3276)

1. Blake Griffin
2. James Harden
3. Hasheem Thabeet
4. Ricky Rubio
5. Jordan Hill
6. Tyreke Evans
7. Stephen Curry
8. Jonny Flynn
9. Demar DeRozan
10. Jrue Holiday
11. Gerald Henderson
12. Brandon Jennings
13. Tyler Hansbrough
14. B.J. Mullens (potentially declining)
15. James Johnson (declining invite)
16. Eric Maynor (potentially declining)

[hammersavage]

Spurs get Richard Jefferson. Great deal.

[epo]

Spurs get Richard Jefferson. Great deal.

Bucks are cleaning up their cap.

[Snoogans]

Bowen and Kurt Thomas will probably help Milwaukee too. you still have guys who can score, and now you come, although gettin older, pretty solid defender inside and a pretty solid perimeter defender. This is not a bad trade for either team

[cougarjake13]

rumor of rip hamilton for ray allen with others involved



good deal for the celtics but why would detriot do it

[Snoogans]

rumor of rip hamilton for ray allen with others involved



good deal for the celtics but why would detriot do it

umm, did you happen to catch ANY of the playoffs? WHO THE FUCK WOULD DEAL RAY ALLEN FOR FUCKIN RIP HAMILTON RIGHT NOW. INSANITY

[razorboy]

umm, did you happen to catch ANY of the playoffs? WHO THE FUCK WOULD DEAL RAY ALLEN FOR FUCKIN RIP HAMILTON RIGHT NOW. INSANITY

I think Stuckey and Prince would factor pretty heavily into Ainge's line of thinking.

[cougarjake13]

umm, did you happen to catch ANY of the playoffs? WHO THE FUCK WOULD DEAL RAY ALLEN FOR FUCKIN RIP HAMILTON RIGHT NOW. INSANITY



The Celtics offered Ray Allen(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes) and Rodney Stuckey(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmRAuyBBkJIY2qrOJmvzqI28vLYF?slug=aw-celticspistons062209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Snoogans]

The Celtics offered Ray Allen(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes) and Rodney Stuckey(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmRAuyBBkJIY2qrOJmvzqI28vLYF?slug=aw-celticspistons062209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Ok. Am I missing something? Can ANYONE explain to me what the fuck the Celtics are doing?

[cougarjake13]

Ok. Am I missing something? Can ANYONE explain to me what the fuck the Celtics are doing?

no fucking clue

[underdog]

Ok. Am I missing something? Can ANYONE explain to me what the fuck the Celtics are doing?

Everyone seems to forget how BAD of a GM Danny Ainge was, until he magically (barely) landed KG & Ray Allen.

Even with the Ray Allen trade, people were absolutely baffled.

Danny Ainge is a terrible GM.

Trading Rajon Rondo. Yeah, that's a terrific idea. Let's get older, because our problem this year wasn't injuries.

[Snoogans]

Everyone seems to forget how BAD of a GM Danny Ainge was, until he magically (barely) landed KG & Ray Allen.

Even with the Ray Allen trade, people were absolutely baffled.

Danny Ainge is a terrible GM.

Trading Rajon Rondo. Yeah, that's a terrific idea. Let's get older, because our problem this year wasn't injuries.

I know he blows. If it wasnt for Kevin Mchale hookin up the C's, they would be dogshit still.

But Hamilton is worse than allen, prince is just ok, and stuckey sucks balls. Rondo is a top 5 PG on his way up by far, and ALLEN IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Im honest when I say i DONT think Isiah Thomas would even CONSIDER this deal

[underdog]

I know he blows. If it wasnt for Kevin Mchale hookin up the C's, they would be dogshit still.

But Hamilton is worse than allen, prince is just ok, and stuckey sucks balls. Rondo is a top 5 PG on his way up by far, and ALLEN IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Im honest when I say i DONT think Isiah Thomas would even CONSIDER this deal

Iverson isn't involved. There's no way Isiah would have considered the deal.

Watching GMs trade in the NBA is like watching blind retards throwing darts. The MAJORITY of the fans should never know better than the guy running the team, yet that seems what is going on most times in the NBA.

[razorboy]

Trading Rajon Rondo. Yeah, that's a terrific idea. Let's get older, because our problem this year wasn't injuries.

Putting Stuckey at the one would make the Celtics younger.

[Snoogans]

Putting Stuckey at the one would make the Celtics younger.

yea and way worse. And isnt rondo like 23?

[underdog]

Putting Stuckey at the one would make the Celtics younger.

yea and way worse. And isnt rondo like 23?

Stuckey is 2 months younger. They're both 23.

[razorboy]

yea and way worse. And isnt rondo like 23?

They both are. Rondo is like a month and a half older. They're two completely different 1 guards. Stuckey is the better scorer and Rondo is the better distributor. With the current Celtics line-up, Rajon is the better fit.

[Snoogans]

Stuckey is 2 months younger. They're both 23.

woooo. 2 months. Holy shit, how can I be so dumb. you have to do that




BULLSHIT. Rondo is really on his way to being a perennial all star and stuckey is on his way to not getting a big contract. He STINKS in every game I watch. Hamilton is like the poor man's ray allen.

After this playoffs, prince isnt even good enough to be the poor man's ariza. This would SERIOUSLY be worse than Chris Wallace and the Gasol trade

[epo]

Is Ainge trying to protect himself against Ray Allen's free agency at the end of next season?

[Snoogans]

Is Ainge trying to protect himself against Ray Allen's free agency at the end of next season?

he is 45. Take the year and let him walk. Its not like Rip Hammilton is gonna play another 6 years

[epo]

he is 45. Take the year and let him walk. Its not like Rip Hammilton is gonna play another 6 years

I totally agree, I'm just trying to figure out Ainge's motive.

[underdog]

BULLSHIT. Rondo is really on his way to being a perennial all star and stuckey is on his way to not getting a big contract. He STINKS in every game I watch. Hamilton is like the poor man's ray allen.

After this playoffs, prince isnt even good enough to be the poor man's ariza. This would SERIOUSLY be worse than Chris Wallace and the Gasol trade

If Stuckey is that bad, someone will definitely give him the max contract.

I totally agree, I'm just trying to figure out Ainge's motive.

Maybe his brain type didn't fit with what Ainge is trying to do.

Didn't Ainge sign Vin Baker to a max contract? How can you figure out his motives?

[Snoogans]

If Stuckey is that bad, someone will definitely give him the max contract.



Maybe his brain type didn't fit with what Ainge is trying to do.

Didn't Ainge sign Vin Baker to a max contract? How can you figure out his motives?

I think the Knicks took that max contract of Vin Baker in a trade.....TWICE

[A.J.]

The Celtics offered Ray Allen(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes) and Rodney Stuckey(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmRAuyBBkJIY2qrOJmvzqI28vLYF?slug=aw-celticspistons062209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

If they trade Rondo I might just have to walk onto I-95.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Ricky Rubio is the real deal, I beg the Knicks to trade up and get him

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Stephen Curry is okay and will be a star, I wont be mad if we end up with him

[TjM]

THe Baker deal was done under Wallace so the former owner could jump the sale price of the team

[TheGameHHH]

Ricky Rubio is the real deal, I beg the Knicks to trade up and get him

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Stephen Curry is okay and will be a star, I wont be mad if we end up with him

you really think this kid is gonna be good? i was watching highlight tapes of him yesterday and all i remember thinking was, 'this dude has no shot in the NBA' he can barely dribble, his "moves" are very slow and very white and all he likes to do is run. On second thought, I would LOVE for the Knicks to take him.

[Snoogans]

I dont think it matters, anyway. From what I'm hearing, the Knicks are fallin in love with Jonny Flynn

[Snoogans]

Ricky Rubio is the real deal, I beg the Knicks to trade up and get him

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Stephen Curry is okay and will be a star, I wont be mad if we end up with him

Do they let any fuckin black guys in that league? No wonder the kid looks so fuckin good

[TheGameHHH]

Do they let any fuckin black guys in that league? No wonder the kid looks so fuckin good

exactly

[underdog]

Ricky Rubio is the real deal, I beg the Knicks to trade up and get him

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I still can't believe the Pistons took him over Carmelo.

[underdog]

Do they let any fuckin black guys in that league? No wonder the kid looks so fuckin good

All I got out of the first minute of the video is he's good at carrying and can kind of throw a bounce pass.

[Snoogans]

All I got out of the first minute of the video is he's good at carrying and can kind of throw a bounce pass.

and he has the slowest stutter step move I have ever seen. Who the fuck was that bum he broke, some HS kid?

[hammersavage]

Ok, draft is 24 hours away. Here's players I like and don't like.

Its a weak draft, but I think there is talent at the point.

Griffin is an awesome talent, but going into a terrible situation. He might not ever develop into the player he should on the Clippers. Wouldn't surprise me if he is a bust years down the line, that franchise has a knack for doing that.

Rubio is the real deal. He impressed me in the gold medal game against the US (even though it was 2am and I had a good buzz). He's only 18 and played professional basketball. I hope he goes to OKC.

Thabeet is also learning his offensive game. He will be an immediate shot blocker but is so raw offensively. He will take a little time to develop but will do enough to keep him in the league for a while.

I think Harden and Jru Holiday are bums. Not an East Coast bias, I just have seen each play at the highest level and they stunk up the gym.

I'd love the Knicks to get Stephen Curry but it looks less likely to happen. He is the purest shooter in the draft and he'd be in a system where that is all he is asked to be. He is undersized and probably doesn't have enough ball handling ability, but can be really effective in the right circumstance. Can create his own shot which is huge.

I also think Jonny Flynn would be a good Knick. I think he has the persona to be a star in NY.

Deronzen and Jordan Hill never did anything for me.

I've been in love with Earl Clark since the second he walked onto the court and said he was from Jersey. I would kill for the Nets to have a chance at him, he will have the best career of anyone outside the lottery (if he makes it).

No idea what to make of Jennings. He was the 2nd best player on the court a couple years back in Gunnin' for that #1 Spot. I don't know what playing pro ball in Italy for a year did for him. Also the same for Tyreke Evans. I think both of them have the highest upside.

Teague and Maynor should be servicable PG in the league. I think Gerald Henderson will be an energy guy off the bench with length. Dejuan Blair can rebound from Day 1, the rest of the game needs work. Terrence Williams can do a little bit of everything. Lawson is undersized but the guy willed his team thru the tournament and was the best player on the court most games. Hansbrough could contribute. Danny Green and Jodie Meeks should have value in the 2nd round.

[Snoogans]

Rubio is the real deal. He impressed me in the gold medal game against the US (even though it was 2am and I had a good buzz). He's only 18 and played professional basketball. I hope he goes to OKC.




I'd love the Knicks to get Stephen Curry but it looks less likely to happen. He is the purest shooter in the draft and he'd be in a system where that is all he is asked to be. He is undersized and probably doesn't have enough ball handling ability, but can be really effective in the right circumstance. Can create his own shot which is huge.

I also think Jonny Flynn would be a good Knick. I think he has the persona to be a star in NY.

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Rubio doesnt look great to me in what Ive seen of him. He plays pro against other shitty white pros.

Id rather have Jonny Flynn for the knicks. Curry will need some time to develope, and the knicks dont need a PG who shoots alot. Flynn will attack better, has a better NBA body, and is willing to run an offense more. I want Flynn

[hammersavage]

Shaq is a Cav. Talk about a move 5 months too late.

[Snoogans]

Shaq is a Cav. Talk about a move 5 months too late.

in the last year of his deal, right? If so, that wont do shit to keep bron

[epo]

Stephen Curry is okay and will be a star, I wont be mad if we end up with him

Please Knicks, take Steph Curry. He's Shawn Respert without the ball-handling skills.

[hammersavage]

in the last year of his deal, right? If so, that wont do shit to keep bron

yea, 1 year for $20 million. total salary dump for the Suns who save a ton because Wallace is gonna retire.

there is no chance a 37 year old Shaq puts them over the top. Especially if they don't use him the way the Suns smartly did.

[hammersavage]

Please Knicks, take Steph Curry. He's Shawn Respert without the ball-handling skills.

Well despite Hippo saying he liked him and effectively ending his career, he is a pure jump shooter in ever sense. On the Knicks, that is all he will have to do. I don't know how well he'll work out in another situation.


The TWolves also have 4 first round picks now. Weak draft, but they can still get a ton of value with those.

[epo]

yea, 1 year for $20 million. total salary dump for the Suns who save a ton because Wallace is gonna retire.

there is no chance a 37 year old Shaq puts them over the top. Especially if they don't use him the way the Suns smartly did.

The Suns "smartly" used him? Or completely fucked up their system with him?

[Snoogans]

Well despite Hippo saying he liked him and effectively ending his career, he is a pure jump shooter in ever sense. On the Knicks, that is all he will have to do. I don't know how well he'll work out in another situation.


The TWolves also have 4 first round picks now. Weak draft, but they can still get a ton of value with those.

on the knicks, they would stupidly play him at the 1. He is too small to play the 2. Its gonna be another Marbury, im tellin you


TAKE JONNY FLYNN. He fits great and was meant to play at MSG

JONNY FUCKIN FLYNN

[hammersavage]

The Suns "smartly" used him? Or completely fucked up their system with him?

He was on the roster, they had to play him. The stupidity was getting him. But once you have him, don't play him back to back days, try to play him 2 out of 3. They have the best training staff in the league, also kept him healthy.

[epo]

Well despite Hippo saying he liked him and effectively ending his career, he is a pure jump shooter in ever sense. On the Knicks, that is all he will have to do. I don't know how well he'll work out in another situation.


Shawn Respert, Juan Dixon, JJ Reddick. Gimme a break. Curry is gonna be garbage.

The only team that could really use him would be Oklahoma City and that would be to sell tickets by having Curry visit all of the local churches and preaching the word of God.

[hammersavage]

TAKE JONNY FLYNN. He fits great and was meant to play at MSG

JONNY FUCKIN FLYNN

I'm a Flynn fan, don't sell me. He seems like a Knick to me. Curry sounds like he won't be available at that time anyway.

[spoon]

He was on the roster, they had to play him. The stupidity was getting him. But once you have him, don't play him back to back days, try to play him 2 out of 3. They have the best training staff in the league, also kept him healthy.

They should just get smart and draft one of those can't miss USC QB's. It doesn't matter what sport it is these guys are so good.

[hammersavage]

They should just get smart and draft one of those can't miss USC QB's. It doesn't matter what sport it is these guys are so good.

John David Booty could be had.