2009 NBA Offseason Discussion

[TheGameHHH]

are nba contracts guaranteed ??

he hasnt shown enough to warrant this contract

yes they are

he has shown he has enough potential to warrant that deal, he turned a MAJOR corner last season. the problem was he got hurt in january and missed the rest of the year so he hasnt shown it long enough.

how in the world are knicks fans criticizing how another team chooses to spend it's money?

[razorboy]

HE FUCKIN HAS PLAYED 40 GAMES


i really think this one might hurt them down the line

Signing Bynum to that deal was STOOOPIIID.

[epo]

HE FUCKIN HAS PLAYED 40 GAMES

i really think this one might hurt them down the line

Still pissed about Eddy Curry huh?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Ron Artest is gonna hurt my Tracy Mcgrady fantasy pick


he seems to be as big of a Ball hog

[Snoogans]

Still pissed about Eddy Curry huh?

i cant even begin to tell you

[epo]

i cant even begin to tell you

Come on! A center that big that basically refuses to rebound. Well worth the money!

[cougarjake13]

not a lot of love for the nba huh?

[Ritalin]

Come on! A center that big that basically refuses to rebound. Well worth the money!

Well, you know what Scott Skilles said Curry needs to do to be a better rebounder.

Jump.

AND, what the fuck is up with Stephon Marbury's head tattoo. Is this new, or have I not been paying attention? I think I'd definitely remember this:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/ritalin3g/p1marbury.jpg

[NYHCmikeX]

AND, what the fuck is up with Stephon Marbury's head tattoo. Is this new, or have I not been paying attention? I think I'd definitely remember this:


It's new. It's the "Starbury" logo. From those cheap shoes he released, which was actually the best thing he did while in NY.

[spadanko]

Iverson traded for Billups and mcDyess

The Pistons have reached a tentative agreement with the Nuggets to trade Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess in exchange for Allen Iverson.

That would solve the Nuggets' point guard problems and Iverson is clearly not happy in Detroit. Neither player attended today's shootaround, and ESPN's Stephen A. Smith says the deal could be completed any minute. The big question is whether Iverson plays point guard or shooting guard in Detroit. Either way, he's going to gobble up a ton of guard minutes, which may not be great news for Rodney Stuckey and Rip Hamilton. Iverson has been walking through the motions in Denver, so this news is not all that surprising. Nov. 3 - 11:13 am et

[TheGameHHH]

this move is like a year and half too late, but lets see what happens.

[El Mudo]

Iverson traded for Billups and mcDyess

Confirmation (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3679931)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

AI on Detroit, looks like Cleveland has to worry

McDeyss is too old, Maxeel will get more minutes


A 3 Guard alignment with Stuckey Iverson and Rip can be very formidable

as far as Prince, I am worried, after all the Rip and Iverson points, I may have to put Tayshawn on the Waiver Wire in fantasy basketball

[TheGameHHH]

well, the Nets (no thats not a typo) beat A.I. and the Pistons tonight. Iverson looked like himself, im still curious to see how such a prolific scorer fits into such a heavily defensive-minded team.

[cougarjake13]

well, the Nets (no thats not a typo) beat A.I. and the Pistons tonight. Iverson looked like himself, im still curious to see how such a prolific scorer fits into such a heavily defensive-minded team.

i think he'll be fine as long as he isnt out there trying to win the scoring title

if he just plays with the offense and gets whatever points he gets and doesnt try to force anything just to get 30-35 pts a night he'll fit in nice

[K.C.]

Dwayne Wade has looked scary good at times tonight.

Greg Oden....eh...not so much. You can see the potential he has defensively and on the board, and how much of an asset he could be to the Blazers down the line because he just clogs the lane, but his offensive skills are non-existent right now.

It'll be at least a couple of years before he starts becoming one of the better players in the league.

[Epschtein]

Houston vs Phoenix

holy shit i cant believe they didnt call a foul on barnes there, wicked cheap shot.

then shaq went on a rampage shoving people from behind, lol.

he has to be ejected...

edit - well they got barnes right but i have no idea how shaq doesnt get the boot too.

[razorboy]

Dwight Howard is a fucking beast. He's 22 years old. 22 years old People!

[TheGameHHH]

Lakers look hot at 7-0.

[KnoxHarrington]

ESPN might be stuck with the biggest pair of garbage games I've seen in a long time: Rockets vs. Wizards leading into Hornets vs. Thunder.

Guess what I won't be watching tonight.

[cougarjake13]

ESPN might be stuck with the biggest pair of garbage games I've seen in a long time: Rockets vs. Wizards leading into Hornets vs. Thunder.

Guess what I won't be watching tonight.



havent watched a reg season game in years

[Snoogans]

Can we all please agree to no longer call the OK C team the Thunder. They are fuckin scum bag owners. Because of what they are and did, lets all refer to them as their unofficial official name

The Oklahoma City Bombers

[cougarjake13]

Can we all please agree to no longer call the OK C team the Thunder. They are fuckin scum bag owners. Because of what they are and did, lets all refer to them as their unofficial official name

The Oklahoma City Bombers



its been more than enough time right ???

[No1Throwdown]

Can we all please agree to no longer call the OK C team the Thunder. They are fuckin scum bag owners. Because of what they are and did, lets all refer to them as their unofficial official name

The Oklahoma City Bombers

How Original, thats a joke from when they first moved

[TheMojoPin]

The Bulls stink, but damn, check out Rose:

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Players already respect how good he is, and as he matures and tightens up his outside game he's gonna be elite. He's definitely gonna help the Bulls with trades and FA signings since players are going to want to play with him.

[Snoogans]

How Original, thats a joke from when they first moved

that i made before they moved

[Kevin]

The Bulls stink, but damn, check out Rose:

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Players already respect how good he is, and as he matures and tightens up his outside game he's gonna be elite. He's definitely gonna help the Bulls with trades and FA signings since players are going to want to play with him.

I wish a nice afternoon Motorcycle ride on him

[Snoogans]

I wish a nice afternoon Motorcycle ride on him

come on man, thats mean. Rose didnt go to Duke

[Kevin]

come on man, thats mean. Rose didnt go to Duke

Duke and Bulls, same shit.

[Snoogans]

dont say that in front of Michael Jordan and his Carolina blue.

[El Mudo]

Posted this in the NHL thread, felt its pertinent to here too

NHL Attendance Rising, NBA Attendance declining (http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/2008/11/nba-versus-nhl-again.html)

What cannot be disputed is that the NHL's attendance is on an upward trend, while the NBA's is on a downward trend. Through November 10, NHL attendance was up 1.2% compared to the same period last year. During the 2007-08 season, NHL attendance was up 1.8%, while NBA attendance was down 2.1%.

What can be taken from this? The NBA still has higher attendance than the NHL, and while NBA attendance has been declining in the past two seasons, last year's average attendance still ranked among the best in league history. The NHL does take the lead in terms of filling its arenas to capacity; 20 NHL teams play to 90% capacity, compared to 17 for the NBA.

The biggest difference between the two leagues may be this: only 4 NHL teams play to less than 80% capacity, compared to 8 NBA teams that share that distinction. Four NBA teams (Charlotte, Philadelphia, Sacramento and Memphis) are currently averaging fewer fans per game than the team with the lowest attendance in the NHL -- the New York Islanders.

NBA/NHL attendance since 2002.
2007-8: NBA 17,396, NHL 17,268 (difference of 1%)
2006-7: NBA 17,767, NHL 16,964 (difference of 5%)
2005-6: NBA 17,548, NHL 16,955 (difference of 3%)
2004-5: NBA 17,314, NHL (no season)
2003-4: NBA 17,130, NHL 16,538 (difference of 4%)
2002-3: NBA 16,883, NHL 16,592 (difference of 2%)

And all this WITHOUT ANY PRESENCE on ESPN for the NHL, and one game a week on national broadcast, and two games a week on a poo poo cable network featuring Brian Engblom's awful hair and Mike Emrick's stupidity

[TheMojoPin]

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[TheGameHHH]

roughly a quarter way through the season, who's the best team?

Celtics, Lakers or Cavs?

[Fallon]

roughly a quarter way through the season, who's the best team?

Celtics, Lakers or Cavs?

Celts!

Just won their 11th in a row.

[razorboy]

Like I said before, Dwight Howard is a fucking animal. 21 points, 23 rebounds and 6 blocks? Ridiculous.

[underdog]

Yao Ming just got blocked by a white guy almost a foot shorter than him and then a guy 8 inches shorter than him on consecutive trips down the floor.

[cougarjake13]

Yao Ming just got blocked by a white guy almost a foot shorter than him and then a guy 8 inches shorter than him on consecutive trips down the floor.

he's just an asian george muresan

[cougarjake13]

kings fire reggie theus

[santeesioux]

Nothing on Brandon Roy? Come on guys.

[underdog]

Nothing on Brandon Roy? Come on guys.

Probably the greatest goalie of all time.

[razorboy]

Obviously the Lakers are just slumping. It couldn't be that the Magic are just damn good. Keep ignoring my boys in the O, sports media.

[cougarjake13]

Obviously the Lakers are just slumping. It couldn't be that the Magic are just damn good. Keep ignoring my boys in the O, sports media.

its better that way



howard is awesome

[razorboy]

its better that way



howard is awesome

What's scary is how good Nelson has been since coming back from that hip flexor injury.

[santeesioux]

Probably the greatest goalie of all time.


Damn straight! He shoots real good too!

[santeesioux]

Obviously the Lakers are just slumping. It couldn't be that the Magic are just damn good. Keep ignoring my boys in the O, sports media.

Living on the west coast, i'm use to the Laker nut hugging the media does, just get use to it, they'll choke in no time.

[cougarjake13]

What's scary is how good Nelson has been since coming back from that hip flexor injury.

ya who knew he'd be this good in the nba

[santeesioux]

What's up with the Celtics lately? Portland just beat them without their best player, did the Lakers break them?

[cougarjake13]

What's up with the Celtics lately? Portland just beat them without their best player, did the Lakers break them?


yes

[underdog]

What's up with the Celtics lately? Portland just beat them without their best player, did the Lakers break them?

Doc Rivers is the coach. This team could go on a 15 game losing streak as easily as a 19 game winning streak.

It also helps that they play in the Eastern conference and its as bad as its been in years. The play on the West Coast and they're being defeated.

[underdog]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3804977)

Let's see, they bring in a me-first point guard who ruins Rondo's confidence last year and nearly blow the playoffs against the Hawks, so they decide to bring in the ultimate me-first guard this year. Great.

Former Celtics are horrible GMs.

[cougarjake13]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3804977)

Let's see, they bring in a me-first point guard who ruins Rondo's confidence last year and nearly blow the playoffs against the Hawks, so they decide to bring in the ultimate me-first guard this year. Great.

Former Celtics are horrible GMs.



thats awesome ... hahaha hopefully he becomes the celts problem



wonder how he and KG will get along

[santeesioux]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56375/20090104/sources_blazers_getting_serious_for_david_lee/

David Lee to the Blazers? I don't want them to give Bayless up yet, how about Sergio Rodriguez instead? Hell, i'd give them back Frye too.

[cougarjake13]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56375/20090104/sources_blazers_getting_serious_for_david_lee/

David Lee to the Blazers? I don't want them to give Bayless up yet, how about Sergio Rodriguez instead? Hell, i'd give them back Frye too.

hell no


lee needs to stay a knick


i hope they dont trade him

[Snoogans]

that article better have forgot to mention the part about how Curry is in the deal, or ill break something

[epo]

that article better have forgot to mention the part about how Curry is in the deal, or ill break something

How about David Lee & Chris Duhon for Raef LaFrentz?

[cougarjake13]

How about David Lee & Chris Duhon for Raef LaFrentz?

no fucking way




and raef still plays ??

[Snoogans]

How about David Lee & Chris Duhon for Raef LaFrentz?

duhon has been very solid and is up after next year. The only way raef works in is a deal with curry. Lee is very cheap so to match will be tough if you drop a big contract in there

[epo]

no fucking way

and raef still plays ??

No, I don't think he does. I just wanted to remind myself of the Layden/Isiah days.

[Snoogans]

No, I don't think he does. I just wanted to remind myself of the Layden/Isiah days.

im pretty sure he is still on their books for this year.

[Snoogans]

he had shoulder surgery in september, thats why he hasnt played

[santeesioux]

Raef is still technically on the team, but he has been in Iowa all season rehabbing. He's been shopped for a big name SF in the hopes that Portland could get a Pau Gasol like deal from a team that wants to save some cap space, so idk how willing they would be to take on Curry's back contract.

[Snoogans]

Raef is still technically on the team, but he has been in Iowa all season rehabbing. He's been shopped for a big name SF in the hopes that Portland could get a Pau Gasol like deal from a team that wants to save some cap space, so idk how willing they would be to take on Curry's back contract.

I agree, Im just sayin if we are trading lee, we need to have a reason, and if we are taking back Raef's deal, we cant do it right now without curry or I guess Tim Thomas but thats almost worse then Curry

[santeesioux]

I agree, Im just sayin if we are trading lee, we need to have a reason, and if we are taking back Raef's deal, we cant do it right now without curry or I guess Tim Thomas but thats almost worse then Curry

Yeah, good point, i just don't see how either team is a good trading partner, especially since Lee's contract is expiring, and Portland wouldn't want to give up much without him agreeing to re-sign ahead of time.

[Epschtein]

i had the craziest dream the other night, i dreamt that there was actually an NBA team called the "Charlotte Bobcats" and that, get this, the celtics lost to them. LOL too damn funny...

[Kevin]

i had the craziest dream the other night, i dreamt that there was actually an NBA team called the "Charlotte Bobcats" and that, get this, the celtics lost to them. LOL too damn funny...

And that they lost to a Michael Jordan run team.. Thats just crazy.

[Snoogans]

WHAT THE FUCK????

What is this AWFUL blue shit that the Cavs are wearing tonight? Those are even worse then the fuckin old Craig Ehlo Cavs jerseys.


AWFUL

[underdog]

WHAT THE FUCK????

What is this AWFUL blue shit that the Cavs are wearing tonight? Those are even worse then the fuckin old Craig Ehlo Cavs jerseys.


AWFUL

I keep looking up and thinking ESPN changed to your favorite team the Laker's game.

[Snoogans]

I keep looking up and thinking ESPN changed to your favorite team the Laker's game.

And to think I ever felt bad about forgetting to play COD with you. This is very hurtful



FUCK LA

[cougarjake13]

WHAT THE FUCK????

What is this AWFUL blue shit that the Cavs are wearing tonight? Those are even worse then the fuckin old Craig Ehlo Cavs jerseys.


AWFUL

are they those wannabe charger like uni's ??

[Snoogans]

are they those wannabe charger like uni's ??

its weird. They look similar to the Lakers, but not the same blue or yellow really. Its not even charger like. Its more like the old LA Rams shit

[cougarjake13]

its weird. They look similar to the Lakers, but not the same blue or yellow really. Its not even charger like. Its more like the old LA Rams shit

ahh yeh la rams indeed or old school golden state warriors


i think its the nuggetts that have the charger like colors

[hammersavage]

Lakers and Spurs just played an instant classic. One of the better regular season games I've ever seen considering their history.

And Kobe drained a 3 with 10 seconds to go and did the Sam Cassell 'Big Cajones' run back upcourt. I almost shit myself it was so awesome.

[cougarjake13]

Lakers and Spurs just played an instant classic. One of the better regular season games I've ever seen considering their history.

And Kobe drained a 3 with 10 seconds to go and did the Sam Cassell 'Big Cajones' run back upcourt. I almost shit myself it was so awesome.




i missed it

[razorboy]

My Magic are currently the best team in the NBA. The national sports media can eat it, bitches.

[disneyspy]

your magic? oh thank you for the lob,this line needs a thread...

[razorboy]

your magic? oh thank you for the lob,this line needs a thread...

Yes, my Magic. Sort of like your Cowboys, only good.

[disneyspy]

i wasnt goin for the sports reference(but ive seen em play about 20 times in the Orena in the 90s)

[razorboy]

i wasnt goin for the sports reference(but ive seen em play about 20 times in the Orena in the 90s)

And I'm not actually upset, I'm just drunk.

[TheGameHHH]

Kobe v. LeBron right now on TNT..........anybody else watching?

[epo]

Since it's basketball-ish: D-Wade's divorce turns UGLY (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/37851289.html)

The divorce of Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade and his wife, Siohvaughn, will not be an amicable and clean one.

Wade, the former Marquette star guard, filed for divorce in May 2008 in Cook County, Ill. He and Siohvaughn were married in May 2002.

According to the Miami Herald, Siohvaughn alleges in legal papers that Wade abandoned his two children, committed adultery and infected her with a sexually transmitted disease. Siohvaughn wants the names of all of Wade's sexual partners during their marriage.

That woman wants to know who's in D-Wade's 5!

[epo]

Bucks G Michael Redd may be out for season: (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/38296604.html)

It sounds as if bad news may be coming for the Bucks. Michael Redd’s knee injury appears to be serious and may even be a season-ending situation. Redd suffered the injury in the third quarter of the Bucks’ victory over Sacramento Saturday night at the Bradley Center. Redd, who missed 14 games earlier this season with an ankle sprain, is averaging 21.1 points in 33 games.

Maybe the Knicks will get that #8 seed in the East after all.

[cougarjake13]

Bucks G Michael Redd may be out for season: (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/38296604.html)



Maybe the Knicks will get that #8 seed in the East after all.



miracles can happen

[razorboy]

Magic win! Suck it, LeBron.

[underdog]

OKC basketball; It's Drown-tastic!

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[hammersavage]

For anyone who doesn't realize how lucky you are to see one of the greatest athletes of all time play, get your head out of your ass and appreciate that you get to see a genius on the basketball court.

Lebron had 52-11-10 tonight at the Garden. It'll take a while to wrap my head around that one.

[razorboy]

For anyone who doesn't realize how lucky you are to see one of the greatest athletes of all time play, get your head out of your ass and appreciate that you get to see a genius on the basketball court.

I assume when you say that you are referring to Dwight Howard.

[Snoogans]

For anyone who doesn't realize how lucky you are to see one of the greatest athletes of all time play, get your head out of your ass and appreciate that you get to see a genius on the basketball court.

Lebron had 52-11-10 tonight at the Garden. It'll take a while to wrap my head around that one.

way better game then Kobe's 61 points. Bron just owned the court. Offense, defense, running the point. he did everything in the game and was EVERYWHERE on the court.

[hammersavage]

It was definitely better. First time in modern basketball someone had a triple double while scoring 50+ points. He could just go to the basket and there was nothing a defender could do. You either give him the basket, foul him, or his athleticism goes around you. It's truly unstoppable.

People have to realize the greatness that is going on. This is Michael Jordan all over again. He does all this and he 24 years old!!! He has had no supporting cast. He's gonna go to the Finals this year (cuz the C's don't have anyone who can guard him for any length of time) and he has the MVP in the bag. It's just unreal.

[Snoogans]

It was definitely better. First time in modern basketball someone had a triple double while scoring 50+ points. He could just go to the basket and there was nothing a defender could do. You either give him the basket, foul him, or his athleticism goes around you. It's truly unstoppable.

People have to realize the greatness that is going on. This is Michael Jordan all over again. He does all this and he 24 years old!!! He has had no supporting cast. He's gonna go to the Finals this year (cuz the C's don't have anyone who can guard him for any length of time) and he has the MVP in the bag. It's just unreal.

i liked Tim Thomas' strategy of let Bron go right by then whack him on the head from behind and take the foul, so he could sit down and get fatter

[hammersavage]

At least Gallinari played 24 minutes and was +7. And the C's are in town Friday. What a week Knick fans!

[Snoogans]

As bad as miami vs chicago seemed, the ending was awesome, and this C's Mavs game has been good too. NBA is having a very solid year this year, IMO

[underdog]

Awesome article on Shane Battier by Michael Lewis (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html)

[hammersavage]

HORSE competition tonight. My favorite of the all star games and the best skills competition. Hope there is some juice in the dunk contest.

[Fallon]

Nate Robinson is a freak.

[cougarjake13]

HORSE competition tonight. My favorite of the all star games and the best skills competition. Hope there is some juice in the dunk contest.

who won ??

[cougarjake13]

Nate Robinson is a freak.

does anything get taken away from his final dunk since howard ducked his head a little to allow nate to get over him ??

[underdog]

HORSE competition tonight. My favorite of the all star games and the best skills competition. Hope there is some juice in the dunk contest.

Where was the HORSE competition? I recorded the night, but there was no HORSE.

[epo]

Gentry in, Porter out for Suns (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/15/20090215spt-sunsporter.html)

Alvin Gentry will take over Monday as the Suns' interim head coach with first-year coach Terry Porter being fired by then, multiple team sources confirmed Sunday.

All the Suns are doing is moving deck chairs. Steve Kerr has single-handedly destroyed that franchise.

[cougarjake13]

Gentry in, Porter out for Suns (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/15/20090215spt-sunsporter.html)



All the Suns are doing is moving deck chairs. Steve Kerr has single-handedly destroyed that franchise.

just make shaq a player coach

[underdog]

Gentry in, Porter out for Suns (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/15/20090215spt-sunsporter.html)



All the Suns are doing is moving deck chairs. Steve Kerr has single-handedly destroyed that franchise.

I sort of understood why they traded for Shaq. They needed a big man to be able to compete in the playoffs.

But I cannot understand trading Amare. He's the type of player you'd basically build a franchise around. He's young and GREAT. Why would you trade him?!

[cougarjake13]

I sort of understood why they traded for Shaq. They needed a big man to be able to compete in the playoffs.

But I cannot understand trading Amare. He's the type of player you'd basically build a franchise around. He's young and GREAT. Why would you trade him?!

b/c steve kerr is a dumbass

[hammersavage]

I sort of understood why they traded for Shaq. They needed a big man to be able to compete in the playoffs.

But I cannot understand trading Amare. He's the type of player you'd basically build a franchise around. He's young and GREAT. Why would you trade him?!

Have you watched him play this year? One of the most lackadaisical defenders in the league, especially for someone his size. Divisive attitude offensively and in the locker room.

He'll work in Chicago with Rose very well.

[Fallon]

does anything get taken away from his final dunk since howard ducked his head a little to allow nate to get over him ??

Maybe he didn't want a tea baging.

[TheGameHHH]

anybody watching the All Star game tonight? the fucking jabawokez scare me

[Fallon]

anybody watching the All Star game tonight? the fucking jabawokez scare me

Shaq can move!!!!!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Shaq can move!!!!!!!!

that was a kick ass entrance by the big fella

[Pestz4Evah]

Where was the HORSE competition? I recorded the night, but there was no HORSE.

During TNT's pregame for All-Star Saturday Night. Kevin Durant won.

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[Fallon]

that was a kick ass entrance by the big fella

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[hammersavage]

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The all-time sports personality in my life.

[Rab]

hockey is more better..less black also..:thumbup:

[hammersavage]

Good first post. Glad you waited 2 years for it. Hope there's tons more like it.

[Rab]

Good first post. Glad you waited 2 years for it. Hope there's tons more like it.

damn i though i was still on N mania


lol

[hammersavage]

I've never used this before but :flush:

[TheMojoPin]

Derrick Rose fuckin' rules. Glad to see he won the skills challenge.

http://www.3030fm.com/derrickrose.gif

[Fallon]

Stupid attention whore weirdo.

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[hammersavage]

KG is the man.

And CWebb and GP on NBA TV is can't miss television. They are hilarious too.

[El Mudo]

Uh Oh!!


Betcha won't hear this in the mainstream media!

NBA Borrows 175 million dollars to help 15 strugglin' franchises (http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61537)

The NBA is set to borrow $175 million Feb. 26, marking one of the first league financings since the implosion of the credit markets last fall.

The money, which will be available to 15 teams, supplements an existing $1.7 billion leaguewide credit facility that uses the NBA’s media contracts as collateral to secure loans for the clubs. The NBA surveyed its teams, and 15 responded they would like to tap into the new borrowing.

While the league said it is pleased to borrow in an extremely illiquid credit market, the deal came at a cost, with interest rates up to 8.27 percent, hammering home the notion that the era of cheap money in sports is over. The 15 teams can use the money for any purpose, but covering operating losses may be high on the list.

“In this economic environment, it’s tremendous that the league can place such a facility,” said Alex Martins, chief operating officer of the Orlando Magic, which plans to borrow from the new debt. “It certainly helps us bridge the time period between now and when we move into our new events center in 2010. We’ve been operating at a $15 [million] to $20 million [annual] loss over the past half-dozen years, so it helps us.”


If the NHL had done this, talking heads would be declaring the end of the league

[underdog]

Did I just see Kevin Garnett hop off the court like he blew out his ACL? Please tell me I'm just drunk and didn't actually see that.

[Snoogans]

NATE!

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He is on fire tonight. And this shit RULES

[Snoogans]

Did I just see Kevin Garnett hop off the court like he blew out his ACL? Please tell me I'm just drunk and didn't actually see that.

day to day knee strain. no worries

[Snoogans]

up 30 and you cant pop wilcox out there and see what he can do?

[cougarjake13]

up 30 and you cant pop wilcox out there and see what he can do?

wow


didnt even know about the trade

[Snoogans]

wow


didnt even know about the trade

wilcox and hughes are knicks now, roberson, jarome james, tim thomas and malik rose gone

[cougarjake13]

wilcox and hughes are knicks now, roberson, jarome james, tim thomas and malik rose gone

yeh i just went to nba.com to see the transaction


guess thats what i get for not checking out the site(nba.com) for a while

[santeesioux]

Who knows anything about Michael Ruffin, the newest Blazers, aside from him throwing the ball up and allowing the Raptors to win when he was in Washington.

[Snoogans]

I HATE LARRY HUGHES

seriously

I HATE LARRY HUGHES

1 day and I can't take this fuckin guy. He is TERRIBLE. Now I know why they started that website when he was in Cleveland. Holy shit

[hammersavage]

Maybe the Nets should try to win all of their games on a half court buzzer beaters. I've never seen them talked about this much since the Kidd heyday.

[Pestz4Evah]

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[razorboy]

Further proof Dwight Howard is God.

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[TheMojoPin]

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/get-attachment-6.aspx.jpeg

Well done, Noah.

[hammersavage]

I can't believe they let Tim Thomas in the White House. What a joke...

[hammersavage]

Lebron goes assist-less for the first time in his career. Wallace out at least 4 weeks with a broken leg. They have serious offensive issues when it comes playoff time.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, Norm Van Lier died. He was on TV all the time here talking about the Bulls all the time and he's a ton of fun to watch. Sad news. He was a good guy. (http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/vanlier_050215.html)

[TheMojoPin]

What the fuck?!?

Johnny Red Kerr dies today, too?!?

Man, rough day for Bulls fans.

[hammersavage]

Jerry Sloan should be under surveillance for the rest of the month.

[cougarjake13]

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/get-attachment-6.aspx.jpeg

Well done, Noah.

who the hell is the giant white guy to the right of obama and ben gordon ??

[Pestz4Evah]

who the hell is the giant white guy to the right of obama and ben gordon ??

Aaron Gray.

[TjM]

Marbury has a solid debut as a Celtic

[Fallon]

Marbury!!!

He played really well and really changed the pace of the game when he came in during the third quarter. Rondo was afraid to shoot the ball and the Pacers knew it, Marbury went to the hoop and was taking 14ft shots and Indy didn't know what to do.

When we get KG back the C's are gonna dominate even more.

[Snoogans]

Marbury!!!

He played really well and really changed the pace of the game when he came in during the third quarter. Rondo was afraid to shoot the ball and the Pacers knew it, Marbury went to the hoop and was taking 14ft shots and Indy didn't know what to do.

When we get KG back the C's are gonna dominate even more.

Keep in mind Marbury is the all time leading scorer in NBA among guys who never won a playoff series

[Fallon]

Keep in mind Marbury is the all time leading scorer in NBA among guys who never won a playoff series

KG, Allen and Pierce just need to show him their rings. If he is cool with his numbers going down for a chance at a championship like they did then it's gonna be awesome.

[John Galt]

Fallon,

You're forgetting we also got Mikki Moore! MIKKI MOORE!

[Fallon]

Fallon,

You're forgetting we also got Mikki Moore! MIKKI MOORE!

MIKKI MOORE!

[Pestz4Evah]

MIKKI MOORE!

His hands are made of stone, and I believe he was #1 in the league last year in fouling guys while they were shooting.

But he'll take a charge and get some putbacks here and there.....decent pickup.

[Edwin]

His hands are made of stone, and I believe he was #1 in the league last year in fouling guys while they were shooting.

But he'll take a charge and get some putbacks here and there.....decent pickup.

I wanted the Hawks to grab him. Damn.

[Edwin]

Hornets at Hawks tonight. Hawks won back in November in New Orleans. Big game for the Hawks. Hopefully Josh Smith finally got the message and we'll have another strong outing.

[cougarjake13]

Hornets at Hawks tonight. Hawks won back in November in New Orleans. Big game for the Hawks. Hopefully Josh Smith finally got the message and we'll have another strong outing.

snoogans will be watching

[TheGameHHH]

holy shit!!!!! there was just an incredible ending to the Heat/Bulls game.

that was fucking awesome

[King Imp]

I never really got into basketball, so I don't follow the NBA that closely, but what is with this Spanish stuff recently?

The other night on SportsCenter, during highlights of a Mavs game, thier jerseys said Los Mavs on it. Now, I just saw that the Heat's jerseys last night said El Heat.

What the fuck is this about?

[Pestz4Evah]

I never really got into basketball, so I don't follow the NBA that closely, but what is with this Spanish stuff recently?

The other night on SportsCenter, during highlights of a Mavs game, thier jerseys said Los Mavs on it. Now, I just saw that the Heat's jerseys last night said El Heat.

What the fuck is this about?

Latin Night (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/03/03/noche.latina.release/)

[Edwin]

Hawks/Jazz tonight. Marvin Williams could be out a couple of weeks. Hawks probably lose tonight.

In other news, it looks like Acie Law may be about to break out with more playing time.

[Edwin]

Hawks win again baby! WE END STREAKS!!

[KennyBania]

Hawks/Jazz tonight. Marvin Williams could be out a couple of weeks. Hawks probably lose tonight.

In other news, it looks like Acie Law may be about to break out with more playing time.

I like the Hawks in the 4/5 matchup with any of the teams including the Heat. Will probably be the best series on any in the first round. They are a exciting team and Acie was someone who was class in College and thought he could transitions to the pros well...still time

[Edwin]

I like the Hawks in the 4/5 matchup with any of the teams including the Heat. Will probably be the best series on any in the first round. They are a exciting team and Acie was someone who was class in College and thought he could transitions to the pros well...still time


I agree about Acie. Mike Woodson just has no idea what the hell he is doing with his haphazard rotations. Acie gave Chris Paul fits the other night and should have earned more playing time. With Marvin Williams out, Acie has been getting more run and gaining some confidence. Only gonna help.

Hawks are at home against the Pacers tonight on NBATV. They pose problems for the Hawks because their big men can shoot. Luckily they can't defend either. Look for Horford to have another strong outing and Joe johnson to flirt with a third 30-pt game in a row.

[Edwin]

Hawks making their move. Just won 5 in a row. Miami loses to the Sixers. Great afternoon, Hawks fans!

[Fallon]

Celts really need KG back. Not the same team by far without him.

[epo]

Villanueva 'tweeted' at halftime (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/41368157.html)

Did Milwaukee Bucks' forward Charlie Villanueva "tweet" on his Twitter account at halftime of the Boston Celtics-Bucks game on Sunday at the Bradley Center?

Yes, Bucks officials said Tuesday.

In what team officials are calling an "isolated incident," Villanueva sent out a message on his personal Twitter account shortly after Bucks coaches finished their halftime instructions to the team.

Villanueva, whose Twitter ID is CV31, wrote this on his Twitter account: "In da locker room, snuck to post with my twitt. We’re playing the Celtics, tie ball game at da half. Coach wants more toughness. I gotta step up.”

Apparently he did. Villanueva scored 19 points and snared seven rebounds to lead the Bucks to a 86-77 win over the Celtics.

I'm sure that Coach Scott Skiles will love this.....

[razorboy]

Soooooorry Mr. Pierce, let me introduce you to Mr. Dwight David Howard! Eat it, mothafucka!

[TheMojoPin]

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[TheMojoPin]

And just becase the Bulls have actually been decent since the break and have a shot of taking the 6th spot:

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[razorboy]

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Maybe he should try a few of those shots a game instead of jacking up threes at a VERY IMPRESSIVE 33.3%.

[razorboy]

My Magic are absolutely dismantling the Cavs. I love watching LeBrick bitch like a little girl.

[underdog]

Ginobili out for season and playoffs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4047838)

[hammersavage]

Man, he cannot stay healthy.

They are not getting past the Lakers without him. Probably the Nuggets as well for that matter.

[Snoogans]

Man, he cannot stay healthy.

They are not getting past the Lakers without him. Probably the Nuggets as well for that matter.

I dont think they had much of a shot to get through to the finals this year anyway. I think they would run out of gas either way and the lakers are still better. Cavs too

[razorboy]

I don't think I am being a homer when I say that Otis Smith has to be the Executive of the Year. Aside from assembling the team, the Alston trade saved this team when Nelson went down.

[hammersavage]

Jordan's comments about how being elected to the HOF is bittersweet and he wishes he was dead when he got elected in is the verbal reasoning why he is the greatest player of all time.

[hammersavage]

WNBA draft on ESPN 2 right now. I can't believe they actually broadcast this. And 2 days after the season ends no less.

They got next!

[cougarjake13]

WNBA draft on ESPN 2 right now. I can't believe they actually broadcast this. And 2 days after the season ends no less.

They got next!



im guessing you meant the ncaa season

[bobstevens4]

I really hope the Hawks don't have to play the Spurs in the championship. We just do not have an answer for Tony Parker.

[cougarjake13]

I really hope the Hawks don't have to play the Spurs in the championship. We just do not have an answer for Tony Parker.

somehow i dont think you'll have to worry about that



neither of them are getting there

[bobstevens4]

A friend of mine ran into a cool and confident Mike Woodson at the Masters. It's a done deal.

[Fallon]

The Bulls are bible reading robots.

Story here
http://withleather.uproxx.com/2009/04/this-just-kinda-blew-my-mind

[A.J.]

Still the best home court advantage EVER.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/U86120004.jpg?size=67&uid={B8428772-B40F-4C8B-9370-CE078C2A1791}

[HBox]

An awful day for the Celtics.

First KG might miss the whole playoffs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4073024)

And then Danny Ainge reportedly has a heart attack. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4075078)

[cougarjake13]

An awful day for the Celtics.

First KG might miss the whole playoffs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4073024)

And then Danny Ainge reportedly has a heart attack. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4075078)

guess they used up all their goodwill last year

[Fallon]

An awful day for the Celtics.

First KG might miss the whole playoffs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4073024)

And then Danny Ainge reportedly has a heart attack. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4075078)

http://i44.tinypic.com/2z4yafs.gif

[A.J.]

An awful day for the Celtics.

First KG might miss the whole playoffs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4073024)

And then Danny Ainge reportedly has a heart attack. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4075078)

Stern wants a Kobe-LeBron finals.

[TjM]

I have a feeling Paul Pierce is going to show people just how GD special he is this playoffs

[Snoogans]

im torn on the Celtics. On the one hand, Pierce is huge, and they know how to win. Ray Allen has also been very solid.

On the other hand, no KG, but even bigger. Stephon Marbury is now a Celtic. Stephon Marbury is the NBA's ALL TIME leading scorer among guys who have NEVER won a playoff series. (McGrady is 2nd btw). The is a clash of epic proportions and I will be quite depressed if Starbury wins a playoff series.

[epo]

im torn on the Celtics. On the one hand, Pierce is huge, and they know how to win. Ray Allen has also been very solid.

On the other hand, no KG, but even bigger. Stephon Marbury is now a Celtic. Stephon Marbury is the NBA's ALL TIME leading scorer among guys who have NEVER won a playoff series. (McGrady is 2nd btw). The is a clash of epic proportions and I will be quite depressed if Starbury wins a playoff series.

We cannot live in a world in which Stephon Marbury wins a playoff series. CANNOT!

[cougarjake13]

Stern wants a Kobe-LeBron finals.

and i believe that he'll get his wish

[underdog]

Great game going on right now in Boston. Derrick Rose is putting on a show right.

[TjM]

Good to see the refs and shitty and blind as they are in the regular season

[underdog]

Good to see the refs and shitty and blind as they are in the regular season

NBA refs are unfuckingbelievably bad. They make it about them. At least they have been even with their horribleness this game.

[IMSlacker]

Overtime! Nice! More Derrick Rose!

[underdog]

Two terrible fouls at the end of the game. Glad it didn't totally effect the game other than giving us more.

[TheMojoPin]

NBA refs are unfuckingbelievably bad. They make it about them. At least they have been even with their horribleness this game.

They just gave the Celtics a second chance calling that clean block by Noah on Pierce a foul. What a load of horseshit.

PS - Derrick Rose is filthy.

[underdog]

They just gave the Celtics a second chance calling that clean block by Noah on Pierce a foul. What a load of horseshit.

PS - Derrick Rose is filthy.

That was not a clean block. He hit his arm and body checked him. Vinny didn't even complain.

[TheMojoPin]

That was not a clean block. He hit his arm and body checked him. Vinny didn't even complain.

Man, it was clean enough. If it was Pierce actually doing the blocking there wouldn't have been a call.

[Snoogans]

this game is amazing. And Noah is retarded.


Rose is a BEAST

[TheMojoPin]

The Celtics had time to pitch a tent and start a fire in the paint but they call 3 seconds on the Bulls like THAT.

So gheeeeeeeeeeeeeey.

[underdog]

Man, it was clean enough. If it was Pierce actually doing the blocking there wouldn't have been a call.

That's why nba refs suck. The stars get different calls. It would be like pujols having a different strike zone and get different out calls. Its fucking retarded.

[underdog]

The Celtics had time to pitch a tent and start a fire in the paint but they call 3 seconds on the Bulls like THAT.

So gheeeeeeeeeeeeeey.

Stop being a yankees fan.

[Snoogans]

Nice. Bulls better win this series. FUCK MARBURY

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, no idea how that wasn't out of bounds due to anyone besides Pierce.

Whatever.

BULLS WIN.

[burrben]

go cavs!

ive got my seat right at the front of the bandwagon

[Fallon]

Great game, Rose played awesome and Ray Allen played just awful.

Ray better dominate game 2.

[underdog]

Yeah, no idea how that wasn't out of bounds due to anyone besides Pierce.

Whatever.

BULLS WIN.

Because the refs are fucking horrible. But stop whining, BDC.

[TheMojoPin]

Because the refs are fucking horrible. But stop whining, BDC.

Just pointing out the painfully obvious. I think Pierce spent more of the game looking pleadingly at the refs than actually playing.

[underdog]

Just pointing out the painfully obvious. I think Pierce spent more of the game looking pleadingly at the refs than actually playing.

I think you'd notice the same with lebron or kobe, too.

[cougarjake13]

would the cavs winning the championship this year do more to keep lebron in cleveland or make him more likely to leave ??

[Fallon]

would the cavs winning the championship this year do more to keep lebron in cleveland or make him more likely to leave ??
I think if they won he could leave and the fans wouldn't be as pissed since they got a championship, but he could leave them wanting more.

[cougarjake13]

I think if they won he could leave and the fans wouldn't be as pissed since they got a championship, but he could leave them wanting more.

yeh b/c with all the comparisons to jordan they prob look at him as their jordan and yeh the one title would be nice but if he left and then won multiple titles for the knics, nets, or wherever he'd go would piss off the cavs fans a bit

[TheGameHHH]

I think if they won he could leave and the fans wouldn't be as pissed since they got a championship, but he could leave them wanting more.

If he's dead set on building a lasting legacy then it makes sense for him to stay. If he's dead set on cashing in on being a title winner and looking to take on a new challange such as winning in New York, then it makes sense for him to go.

[TheMojoPin]

I think you'd notice the same with lebron or kobe, too.

Of course. Guys like Pierce just make it bug me even more because he's so obvious with how much he expects it.

[underdog]

Of course. Guys like Pierce just make it bug me even more because he's so obvious with how much he expects it.

Even for a fan, he can be a real tough guy to watch sometimes.

[Snoogans]

LeBron isnt leaving. He is too loyal and has too good a thing there and REALLY doesnt need whatever little extra money he would earn from moving somewhere else

[underdog]

It would be pretty awesome to see Cleveland get their hearts broken again, though.

[razorboy]

If he's dead set on cashing in on being a title winner and looking to take on a new challange such as winning in New York, then it makes sense for him to go.

If he's dead set on being a title winner he'd be a idiot of epic proportions to sign with New York.

[IMSlacker]

Anyone who isn't watching the Bulls/Celtics game right now is a damn fool.

[cougarjake13]

Anyone who isn't watching game the Bulls/Celtics game right now is a damn fool.

im watching


cause the rangers are sucking ass

[IMSlacker]

Ben Gordon is destroying!

[hammersavage]

Can we just fast forward to Cavs/Lakers please????

[TheMojoPin]

Gordon making it rain.

Pierce getting stuffed left and righ.

Hope the Bulls can hold on and the refs can take the Celtics' dicks out of their mouths for a bit.

[IMSlacker]

Wow! What a shot by Ray Allen!

2-0 was sooooo close...

[TheMojoPin]

Crud.

Bulls let the Celtics get WAY too many second chances with all those offensive boards tonight. They also really dropped the ball not scoring and getting up by at least 7 with 2 minutes left.

[Fallon]

C's just lost Leon Powe for the playoffs.

God dammit!

[Snoogans]

You guys are really lucky you pulled out game 2. If the Bulls were goin home up 2-0 and you lost Powe, it would be pretty much over

[cougarjake13]

C's just lost Leon Powe for the playoffs.

God dammit!



is he important ??

[hammersavage]

Magic better thank god for Courtney Lee. I thought he would be a good pro but he's a better scorer than I thought.

[epo]

This Denver/New Orleans game is boring the shit out of me.

[hammersavage]

This Denver/New Orleans game is boring the shit out of me.

Hornets have given up on Byron Scott.




How do the Heat score 64 in Game 1 and 54 in each half of game 2? I think the league wants LeBron/Wade in round 2.

[Fallon]

is he important ??

VERY!!!

[saturn]

This Denver/New Orleans game is boring the shit out of me.

i think the rest of the series should be pretty good.

there's a little lookahead to game 3 up on nba.com (http://www.nba.com/video/channels/playoffs/2009/04/23/nba_20090423_den_noh_lookahead.nba?cid=playoff1)pr etty much saying home court is the key to NO winning

[hammersavage]

I love it. Kids forgoing their senior years of HIGH SCHOOL to play ball in Europe.

Let's just draft these kids out of elementary school already.

[hammersavage]

Deron Williams putting on a clinic right now.

Utah shooting 36% from the field and 12% from 3. Yikes...

[hammersavage]

Absolutely shocked Utah fought back and won. They looked so dead halfway thru the 3rd.

[K.C.]

I'm so pumped for Sixers/Magic in a little bit.

This series has been awesome.

And that Cs/Bulls game today was majorly epic.

[hammersavage]

I'm so pumped for Sixers/Magic in a little bit.

This series has been awesome.

And that Cs/Bulls game today was majorly epic.

It was of the all time evenly matched series I've ever seen. Rose vs Rondo is absolutely epic and a pleasure to watch.

Magic/Sixers is so even as well. The playoffs are excellent this year.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm pissed I had to work during the Bulls game. Derrick Rose is a GOD. If he ever develops even just a halfway decent 3-point shot, he'll be nigh unstoppable.

[razorboy]

Hedo Turkoglu is a stone cold killer.

[Fallon]

I'm pissed I had to work during the Bulls game. Derrick Rose is a GOD. If he ever develops even just a halfway decent 3-point shot, he'll be nigh unstoppable.

He's really impressive. Never really followed him until this series.

The point guards are in complete charge of this whole series so far.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, besides the 3rd game (which the Celtics had in the bag pretty much the whole time), this series has been very epic. Rondo is like the Flash out there.

Though nothing is more epic than the power of KG's f-bombs.

[Knowledged_one]

I'm pissed I had to work during the Bulls game. Derrick Rose is a GOD. If he ever develops even just a halfway decent 3-point shot, he'll be nigh unstoppable.

gods come pretty cheap these days

[razorboy]

gods come pretty cheap these days

$10,007,280 guaranteed is cheap?

[TheMojoPin]

OK, Miller acted like a bitch, but Davis' flop? PATHETIC.

[hammersavage]

This is on pace to be the best playoffs of my life. Even the series that was a blowout wasn't a wash if you appreciate what greatness you are seeing.


The point guard spot in the league today is maybe the most talented I've ever seen a position.

Paul, Williams, Billups, Rose, Roy and Rondo can each will their teams to victory almost by themselves. It's incredible.

[Fallon]

OK, Miller acted like a bitch, but Davis' flop? PATHETIC.

I was OUTRAGED until I saw the replay. It was a foul, but nothing bad.

I'm glad the Ref's are allowed to look that shit over.

[hammersavage]

I was OUTRAGED until I saw the replay. It was a foul, but nothing bad.

I'm glad the Ref's are allowed to look that shit over.

Best rule change they've had in a while. Let them get it right for fuck's sake. Miller going out right there would have been huge for Boston. Big Baby flopped and they got it right.

[Pestz4Evah]

Hedo Turkoglu is a stone cold killer.

Brother Hedo is the best.
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I'm on the Magic bandwagon big time....

[A.J.]

Paul, Williams, Billups, Rose, Roy and Rondo can each will their teams to victory almost by themselves. It's incredible.

I hope Rondo can because I think Pierce and Allen are just about out of gas.

[bobstevens4]

The Hawks big championship push starts tonight!

[cougarjake13]

The Hawks big championship push starts tonight!

unless they recreated the ABA it aint happening

[bobstevens4]

I am trying to keep it positive.:thumbup:

[cougarjake13]

I am trying to keep it positive.:thumbup:




cant fault you for that



plenty of times the unthinkable happens

[TheMojoPin]

Hopefully Ben Gordon can be wheeled in on a wheelchair for some game 5 heroics.

Maybe carried onto the court by his teammates.

Nah, that would all be pretty over the top. That would never happen.

[hammersavage]

I've watched a lot of basketball in my life. That was the fastest comeback I've ever seen in my life.

Heat were down 21 with 3 min to go, they go into the half down 4!!! Went on a 14-0 run over 2 minutes. Had back to back 4 point plays. It was unreal.

[bobstevens4]

cant fault you for that



plenty of times the unthinkable happens

Back to back four point plays is the unthinkable.

[bobstevens4]

I am devastated.