Where does ARod end up?

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, this is gonna get its own thread. Like it or not, he's the biggest FA in baseball history, and this story is pretty damn big. Post any rumors or news here about where this fine dandy might end up playing.

Personally, I think it's gonna be the Angels with the Dodgers as the runner up. I really don't think the Red Sox are looking to dump that much money into a single player again so soon after Daisuke. And if anyone says the Giants one more time, they're getting kicked in the nads. The Giants are nowhere near being competitive...as good as ARod is, he can't singlehandedly pull a team that bad back into the race...they have years of work ahead of them. The only way he goes there is if he only cares about the money and their deal blows everyone else out of the water.

I wish the Cubs would get him, and I think having Lou running things gives them a shot, but the whole ownership issue is gonna sink any chances of it happening. Unless the sale is suddenly wrapped up (and it's projected to not be done until the end of Jnuary or so at the very earliest), they only have $15-20 million to play with in terms of contracts and FA signings this offseason...not nearly enough to bag ARod unless Lou really is like his 2nd father. Ah well...such is life.

[HBox]

The only way he goes there is if he only cares about the money and their deal blows everyone else out of the water.

What's so unrealistic about that?

[TheMojoPin]

What's so unrealistic about that?

I just don't see a player with the ego like his willing to play with the Royals of the west for 2-3 years at the very least until they even sniff being able to compete again. Especially when there are other teams out there that can at least offer deals close to what SF could offer...there's no way SF offers something that's just miles better than the Angels or the Dodgers.

[HBox]

I just don't see a player with the ego like his willing to play with the Royals of the west for 2-3 years at the very least until they even sniff being able to compete again. Especially when there are other teams out there that can at least offer deals close to what SF could offer...there's no way SF offers something that's just miles better than the Angels or the Dodgers.

The same could be said when he signed with Texas.

[TheMojoPin]

The same could be said when he signed with Texas.

The Rangers were no prize, but seriously, did you see how bad the Giants have done the last couple of seasons? And how barren their farm system is? And how old their damn team is? And how Bonds isn't coming back? They have nothing except a sometimes good, sometimes awful Zito.

[Marc with a c]

he would love it in san fran.

[Earlshog]

The Rangers were no prize, but seriously, did you see how bad the Giants have done the last couple of seasons? And how barren their farm system is? And how old their damn team is? And how Bonds isn't coming back? They have nothing except a sometimes good, sometimes awful Zito.

Zito, Cain, Lowry, and Lincecum is pretty nice young rotation... problem is if they sign A-rod they would not be able to sign resgn any of those pitchers...

[ralphbxny]

I hope he winds up with a VD!!

[epo]

He and Torre will be wearing Dodger Blue.

[HBox]

He and Torre will be wearing Dodger Blue.

They aren't as close as some writers are trying to make them out to be. Remember last year when Torre dropped A-Rod to eighth in the lineup in the playoffs against the Tigers? there was a rift after that and although they seemed to patch it up this season I wouldn't call the two close.

[Kevin]

The same could be said when he signed with Texas.

Arod is Boras's dancing bear.. He will go anywhere he tell him to.. If Pittsburgh offers the most. that is where he is going.. Boras only cares about making the most money for Boras.. Arod is a robot.. Domo arigato, Mr. Arodo...

[Tall_James]

He and Torre will be wearing Dodger Blue.

Yup.

[Furtherman]

Where does ARod end up?

As long as I don't have to see his weird ass antics and face in the paper, I don't give a shit.

[RingWraith]

Arod is Boras's dancing bear.. He will go anywhere he tell him to.. If Pittsburgh offers the most. that is where he is going.. Boras only cares about making the most money for Boras.. Arod is a robot.. Domo arigato, Mr. Arodo...

More like dancing monkey. "Dance Monkey!! Dance!!! DANCE!!!!!!!"


-from Zoolander movie

[Kevin]

More like dancing monkey. "Dance Monkey!! Dance!!! DANCE!!!!!!!"


-from Zoolander movie

Either way works..

[Terry-Two]

[QUOTE=TheMojoPin;1504682]Like it or not, he's the biggest FAG in baseball history, and this story is pretty damn big.

Fixed it...

[NickyL0885]

I can see it now "I would like to introduce the new 3rd basemen for the New York Mets, Alex Rodriguez. Also, David Wright will be moving to firstbase as we have traded Carlos Delgado to the Angels for a bag of balls and a few bats."

[JPMNICK]

they were talking yesterday about Arod going to the Mets, and the mets trading their SS Reyes and a few pitchers to Minnesota for Sanatana.

i think regardless of money, he does not sign with Boston or NYM due to the media coverage and the all to close Yankee spotlight.

is there anychance he goes back to Seattle?

[Devo37]

i hope to god he DOES NOT come to the mets.

[HBox]

they were talking yesterday about Arod going to the Mets, and the mets trading their SS Reyes and a few pitchers to Minnesota for Sanatana.

i think regardless of money, he does not sign with Boston or NYM due to the media coverage and the all to close Yankee spotlight.

is there anychance he goes back to Seattle?

They just signed Ichiro, still owe money to Beltre and Sexson and need to save money to sign Felix Hernandez down the road. They can't afford it.

[JPMNICK]

They just signed Ichiro, still owe money to Beltre and Sexson and need to save money to sign Felix Hernandez down the road. They can't afford it.

i didn't think so, but i was not sure of the financial situation.

I think the Angels are the logical choice, but I am sure he wants to go to the National League if possible to avoid playing Seattle, Texas, and the Yanks

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I hope noone signs him

but I have a feeling the Anaheim Angels will sign the prick

:king:

[JPMNICK]

when he signed with texas, they were basically bidding against themselves. there was no reason for his contract to be as big as it was. now he has an overly inflated price. i hope he gets 5 million a year less than he was making before.

[Kevin]

I hope noone signs him

but I have a feeling the Anaheim Angels will sign the prick

:king:

When will people realize that they can't afford him?? They have no TV deal.. their revenue isn't that high.. And what is Vlad going to say when he is making almost 3 times less than Arod?? They can not afford him.

[JPMNICK]

When will people realize that they can't afford him?? They have no TV deal.. their revenue isn't that high.. And what is Vlad going to say when he is making almost 3 times less than Arod?? They can not afford him.

that vlad point is a great one, they will have to renegotiate his contract of they are paying arod that much money

[TheMojoPin]

I don't think he goes to the Mets. I think a huge part of him opting out was to get out of NYC, period.

Here's my crazy theory...the Marlins go after him. Even with their horrible attendance, their consistently low payroll means they have a ton of money they can play with if they choose to spend...even more since it's likely they're gonna move Willis and Cabrera for at least 3-4 quality players in return. They've got a good young core of players there already, ARod lives in and is from Miami...hometown hero factor!

Totally long shot, but I wonder if the Marlins are even considering it.

[JPMNICK]

I don't think he goes to the Mets. I think a huge part of him opting out was to get out of NYC, period.

Here's my crazy theory...the Marlins go after him. Even with their horrible attendance, their consistently low payroll means they have a ton of money they can play with if they choose to spend...even more since it's likely they're gonna move Willis and Cabrera for at least 3-4 quality players in return. They've got a good young core of players there already, ARod lives in and is from Miami...hometown hero factor!

Totally long shot, but I wonder if the Marlins are even considering it.

WOW that is crazy but they way you explain it, it actually makes sense. I can almost see it happening.

I think some how he wants to go to the west coast so he can transition into acting. it is going to be like Shaq when he went to LA

[TheGameHHH]

i just want him to go somewhere where he has to visit the bronx at least once a year.

[TheMojoPin]

WOW that is crazy but they way you explain it, it actually makes sense. I can almost see it happening.

I think some how he wants to go to the west coast so he can transition into acting. it is going to be like Shaq when he went to LA

Sweet. Kazam 2!

You gotta think having a big name and hometown fixture like ARod for the better part of a decade or more would help in the whole mess to get a new stadium down there, too.

[Kevin]

Sweet. Kazam 2!

You gotta think having a big name and hometown fixture like ARod for the better part of a decade or more would help in the whole mess to get a new stadium down there, too.

Arod would get old pretty fast when they cant win because they cant afford to build a team around him..

[TheMojoPin]

Arod would get old pretty fast when they cant win because they cant afford to build a team around him..

Sure they can. They just have to choose to spend the money. They have plenty of cash...they just opt to spend as little of it as possible.

[Gvac]

If he was smart he'd head to the National League. The Cubs might be a possibility so he could be reunited with Sweet Lou, and if the Phillies are interested he could hit 80 homers there.

As far as the AL, I'd say Detroit is the strongest contender.

[drjoek]

Toledo?:lol:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-a-rod-mudhens&prov=ap&type=lgns

[badorties]

WOW that is crazy but they way you explain it, it actually makes sense. I can almost see it happening.

I think some how he wants to go to the west coast so he can transition into acting. it is going to be like Shaq when he went to LA


i've actually read/heard that before the series even ended, my guess is giants or miami

Choose Your Own Rodventure: The Saga of Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/31/choose-your-own-rodventure-the-saga-of-alex-rodriguez/)

[Kevin]

If he was smart he'd head to the National League. The Cubs might be a possibility so he could be reunited with Sweet Lou, and if the Phillies are interested he could hit 80 homers there.

As far as the AL, I'd say Detroit is the strongest contender.

They just got Renteia..And they like Inge alot..

[JPMNICK]

I think he goes to the Giants, the YOMIURI Giants

international star arod

[Kevin]

Toledo?:lol:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-a-rod-mudhens&prov=ap&type=lgns

If they offer him the most.. He is there!

[Bulldogcakes]

As far as the AL, I'd say Detroit is the strongest contender.



Nope, they're out. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2007/10/tigers_skip_arod_race_land_ren.html)



In a sense, the teams that DON'T get A-Rod are the winners here. Only the Yanks and Bosox have the revenues to afford a 30 mil per year player, and most baseball analysts describe "afford" as no one player being more than 15% of payroll. For most teams around the 100 mil mark, A-Rod at 30 mil represents anywhere from 25-35% of payroll. Now you have the Texas situation all over again. The GM can't afford to surround him with quality players and fill in holes via free agency, and the team as a whole suffers. You can only do so much in house with rookies, you need a balance of veterans and kids. A-Rod means there will be certain holes you just can't afford to patch. Also, if he pushes a team over the 136 mil luxury tax threshold now you might even be CUTTING players you would like to keep in order to pay Alex.

That's before we even get to his post season struggles. But then again, the team that signs him most likely won't have to worry about that.

[TheMojoPin]

Only the Yanks and Bosox have the revenues to afford a 30 mil per year player, and most baseball analysts describe "afford" as no one player being more than 15% of payroll.

Most baseball payrolls are "static" only in the levels the owners have established, not in that they can't actually afford to spend the money. Plenty of teams could afford ARod if they choose to do so.

[torker]

i just want him to go somewhere where he has to visit the bronx at least once a year.
And Central Park.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/DiazG86/CopyofAlexRodriguez.jpg

[JPMNICK]

wrong thread

[spadanko]

I think a dark horse in all of this will be the San Francisco Giants (EDIT: i see they were mentioned). The are losing Barry Bond's contract, and are in dire need of a superstar. Only person making any type of money on that team is Barry Zito. They newspapers and fans bascially blew him when the Yanks went out there this season. The Giants are a storied franchise, have great young pitching, a great GM and i think this will all lead to him landing there.

Of course the Angels are another obvious choice...

Just hope the Mets don't get involved. Scoring runs is not the problem

[TheGameHHH]

I think a dark horse in all of this will be the San Francisco Giants (EDIT: i see they were mentioned). The are losing Barry Bond's contract, and are in dire need of a superstar. Only person making any type of money on that team is Barry Zito. They newspapers and fans bascially blew him when the Yanks went out there this season. The Giants are a storied franchise, have great young pitching, a great GM and i think this will all lead to him landing there.

Of course the Angels are another obvious choice...

Just hope the Mets don't get involved. Scoring runs is not the problem

im sorry.....who on the Giants is a good pitcher?

[HBox]

im sorry.....who on the Giants is a good pitcher?


Cain and especially Lincecum have a shitload of potential.

[JPMNICK]

Cain is a great pitcher. he is only going to get better

[Kevin]

Cain and especially Lincecum have a shitload of potential.

Can you imagine if they didn't make those asinine Lariano, Nathen, Acardo deals..

[HBox]

Can you imagine if they didn't make those asinine Lariano, Nathen, Acardo deals..

Kinda makes you wonder why Sabean is so highly regarded as a GM. When he fucks up, MAN, does he fuck up.

[Doctor Z]

Hell.

[Kevin]

Kinda makes you wonder why Sabean is so highly regarded as a GM. When he fucks up, MAN, does he fuck up.

Yea, really.. Can you imagin if Cashman ever traded those guys and got that little?? He would be literaly murderd.

[Kevin]

Hell.

Great point!

[led37zep]

I think a dark horse in all of this will be the San Francisco Giants (EDIT: i see they were mentioned). The are losing Barry Bond's contract, and are in dire need of a superstar. Only person making any type of money on that team is Barry Zito. They newspapers and fans bascially blew him when the Yanks went out there this season. The Giants are a storied franchise, have great young pitching, a great GM and i think this will all lead to him landing there.


While this would make me very happy I just don't see it happening. True we don't have Bonds and his contract but they still don't have the room unless they increase the cap. Sabean (the giants GM) said the chances aren't likely but that anything is possible in baseball. Realistically they'd have to sell off a few of their young pitchers (something Sabean has mentioned he isn't likely to do). Its a really really long shot and would be great for this team, but I can't see it happening.

[Bulldogcakes]

Hell.

or even worse, Toronto.

[TheGameHHH]

Cain and especially Lincecum have a shitload of potential.

the same Matt Cain that was 7-16 last year? He's got a hard fastball, that doesn't make him good. And i'm enamored with Lincecum's 4.00 ERA in the National League. I'm starting to wonder why these guys aren't making Zito money.

[TheGameHHH]

So I'm reading J.A. Adande's article about Torre's hiring in L.A. and how the media didn't really care all that much out there. He was talking about how there's pretty much an apathetic attitude from the media out there, and he cited an excellent example. Since it involves A-Rod I'm posting the quote here: "If you want an example of the media leniency, just take the case of Vladimir Guerrero, whose .183 batting average and 7 RBIs with the Angels in the postseason are even worse than A-Rod's .244 average and 8 RBI in four Octobers with the Yankees, but who hasn't received 1/10 of the grief about it." That's something I was unaware of and I found it fascinating.

[Kevin]

or even worse, Toronto.

Did he shoot your dog or something?? I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy!

[Doctor Z]

Yeah, let's face it. California doesn't give a shit about baseball.

[led37zep]

Yeah, let's face it. California doesn't give a shit about baseball.

Woah! Where does this come from?

[HBox]

the same Matt Cain that was 7-16 last year? He's got a hard fastball, that doesn't make him good. And i'm enamored with Lincecum's 4.00 ERA in the National League. I'm starting to wonder why these guys aren't making Zito money.

The same Matt Cain with a 3.65 ERA, 1.26 WHIP and 165 Ks at the age of 23. He struck out 7.34 per 9 innings. All of those stats were better than Phil Hughes. Lincecum's peripherals are even better.

[midwestjeff]

The Cardinals need a new shortstop. Not gonna happen, but it's a nice thought.

[HBox]

The Cardinals need a new shortstop. Not gonna happen, but it's a nice thought.

Man, A-Rod and Pujols in the same lineup. That would be better than Ortiz and Ramirez.

[underdog]

The same Matt Cain with a 3.65 ERA, 1.26 WHIP and 165 Ks at the age of 23. He struck out 7.34 per 9 innings. All of those stats were better than Phil Hughes. Lincecum's peripherals are even better.

BUT ALL THAT MATTERS IS WIN LOSS RECORD! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS FOR A PITCHER!

[lleeder]

Man, A-Rod and Pujols in the same lineup. That would be better than Ortiz and Ramirez.

Only if you mean the psychiatric lineup. Those two are biggest headcases in all of baseball. A-Rod all egotistical, insecure, and looking for a daddy. Pujols born again, short tempered, me first guy.

[Kevin]

The same Matt Cain with a 3.65 ERA, 1.26 WHIP and 165 Ks at the age of 23. He struck out 7.34 per 9 innings. All of those stats were better than Phil Hughes. Lincecum's peripherals are even better.

You can't really compare Hughes to anyone by this year.. Hughes got majorly side tracked by that injury.. Then Torre kept on Skipping him.. He was never really allowed to get into much of a rhythm..

[TheMojoPin]

Only if you mean the psychiatric lineup. Those two are biggest headcases in all of baseball. A-Rod all egotistical, insecure, and looking for a daddy. Pujols born again, short tempered, me first guy.

Yeah, man, and they sure are lousy players because of them.

Oh, wait...

[TheGameHHH]

BUT ALL THAT MATTERS IS WIN LOSS RECORD! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS FOR A PITCHER!

nobody said that, i was well aware of Cain's ERA, WHIP and K's. Frankly, the only thing that impresses me are his K's. 3.65 isn't that amazing in the NL. At the beginning of the fantasy baseball season last year i wouldn't stop asking a GM in my league to trade me Cole Hammels and Matt Cain. As the year wore on, I was more then happy that I didn't make the move for Cain. His numbers stopped impressing me other then the fact that he threw hard. Cole Hammels on the other hand, not getting him made me upset. but how can you deny the fact that losing 16 games is quite staggering? If I were a Giants fan I wouldnt be going into next season saying, 'man, we have a guy with a 4.00 ERA, one with 16 losses, and one that is highly overpaid........im excited about our pitching promise for next year'

[TheMojoPin]

but how can you deny the fact that losing 16 games is quite staggering?

Do you realize how bad the Giants were last season? Good pitchers on crappy teams usually have very high loss records because their team is so damn bad.

[Kevin]

Yeah, man, and they sure are lousy players because of them.

Oh, wait...

How can you make a point about wins not being a telling part of a pitcher being good and then blindly look at Arods stats and proclaim him good for a team?? Face it, He has not won anywhere he has been, He crumbles with ANY pressure.. You can have all of his gaudy stats.. He is not the player his stats show. He is the hot chick with Goneria.. Both look great, but you want no part of them.. I dont care how many HRs or Rbis he has.. There is something about him that makes him a non winning player..

[TheGameHHH]

Do you realize how bad the Giants were last season? Good pitchers on crappy teams usually have very high loss records because their team is so damn bad.

yes i know how bad they were, and i know how much you especially preach about not determining a pitchers value on win/loss record. when i watched matt cain pitch last year, and i watched him a lot because for about half a year i was trying to obtain him via trade, he began to impress me less and less as he had trouble locating breaking pitches and if his fastball was flat that day he was getting hit a la Kyle Farnsworth. Things like that don't show up on a stat sheet. Nonetheless, if the kid is so promising i think we would produce more then a 3.65 ERA in the NL and a 7-16 record. i was looking to cite D-Train as a good pitcher on a bad team, but his ERA just killed any chance i had at using him to develop a valid point.

[HBox]

yes i know how bad they were, and i know how much you especially preach about not determining a pitchers value on win/loss record. when i watched matt cain pitch last year, and i watched him a lot because for about half a year i was trying to obtain him via trade, he began to impress me less and less as he had trouble locating breaking pitches and if his fastball was flat that day he was getting hit a la Kyle Farnsworth. Things like that don't show up on a stat sheet. Nonetheless, if the kid is so promising i think we would produce more then a 3.65 ERA in the NL and a 7-16 record.

He's 23 years old. What exactly do you expect of him?

Wins and losses are the most meaningless and misleading stats in existence. The year before he had a higher ERA, gave up more runs and HRs. And yet he was 13-12. Did that make it a better year? Are we going to ignore the fact those were two very different teams? One was good and one was awful.

A pitcher can give up 6 runs in 5 innings and pick up a win. His next start he can go the full 9 and give up one run and get a loss. Again, a meaningless stat.

[Kevin]

Arod is Nolan Ryan.. Lot of K's . Lot of Wins.. But also lot of walks and losses. would you want him starting an important game? Would you put Ryan up with the Kaufax's Gibsons Etc.. Not many people do..

[foodcourtdruide]

the same Matt Cain that was 7-16 last year? He's got a hard fastball, that doesn't make him good. And i'm enamored with Lincecum's 4.00 ERA in the National League. I'm starting to wonder why these guys aren't making Zito money.

You can't judge a pitcher by their win/loss record. Cain has great stuff and has put up solid numbers. The Giants have a good young pitching staff. They played well below their potential last year and I could see the loss of an aging legend and the acquisition of the best player in baseball history (arguably) as something that would push them in the right direction.

[TheGameHHH]

He's 23 years old. What exactly do you expect of him?

Wins and losses are the most meaningless and misleading stats in existence. The year before he had a higher ERA, gave up more runs and HRs. And yet he was 13-12. Did that make it a better year? Are we going to ignore the fact those were two very different teams? One was good and one was awful.

A pitcher can give up 6 runs in 5 innings and pick up a win. His next start he can go the full 9 and give up one run and get a loss. Again, a meaningless stat.

i dont expect anything from him, thats the honest truth. he simply didnt impress me last year like i thought he would. its just a personal opinion, it just happened to tie into the fact that i also don't find the Giants to have a good, young pitching staff. as a matter of fact i pretty much hate their entire starting staff. matter of opinion, that simple.

not to mention he apparently led the league last year in wild pitches, something that goes back to my earlier point about me not liking him because he had trouble locating his breaking stuff

[foodcourtdruide]

Arod is Nolan Ryan.. Lot of K's . Lot of Wins.. But also lot of walks and losses. would you want him starting an important game? Would you put Ryan up with the Kaufax's Gibsons Etc.. Not many people do..

If I was starting a team tomorrow and I could choose one player to have for the duration of his career, ASSUMING A-Rod has 4 more years similar or slightly worse than 2007 and slowly declines the remaining 4 years I would take A-Rod over everyone you mentioned in a heartbeat. You can't compare batters and pitchers for important games, pitchers have so much more of an impact on the individual game.

[midwestjeff]

Only if you mean the psychiatric lineup. Those two are biggest headcases in all of baseball. A-Rod all egotistical, insecure, and looking for a daddy. Pujols born again, short tempered, me first guy.

Huh? I don't see that at all.

[foodcourtdruide]

Only if you mean the psychiatric lineup. Those two are biggest headcases in all of baseball. A-Rod all egotistical, insecure, and looking for a daddy. Pujols born again, short tempered, me first guy.

I don't think A-Rod is a headcase at all. I think that's the way he was portrayed in the new york media to sell newspapers. All I ever heard from other baseball players was that he was really hard working.

[JPMNICK]

I don't think A-Rod is a headcase at all. I think that's the way he was portrayed in the new york media to sell newspapers. All I ever heard from other baseball players was that he was really hard working.

being hard working and a head case are 2 different things. you can work hard and choke in a big situation. OR you can do nothing and always come through, i.e. mickey mantle.

[foodcourtdruide]

being hard working and a head case are 2 different things. you can work hard and choke in a big situation. OR you can do nothing and always come through, i.e. mickey mantle.

A-Rod came up huge so many times for the Yankees this year.

[JPMNICK]

A-Rod came up huge so many times for the Yankees this year.

yea april is my favorite month.

i am not trying to take away from what he did this year, he did have an amazing year. BUT 3 years in a row in the playoffs he really was average, and that is when they need the MVP/#3 hitter to come up big

[foodcourtdruide]

yea april is my favorite month.

i am not trying to take away from what he did this year, he did have an amazing year. BUT 3 years in a row in the playoffs he really was average, and that is when they need the MVP/#3 hitter to come up big

He came up huge all year, the guy is going to win the MVP easily. Players will have average playoffs. The playoffs are such a small sample compared to the regular season. Frame this however you will, but the Yankees are a far worse team without A-Rod.

[Doctor Z]

How can you make a point about wins not being a telling part of a pitcher being good and then blindly look at Arods stats and proclaim him good for a team?? Face it, He has not won anywhere he has been, He crumbles with ANY pressure.. You can have all of his gaudy stats.. He is not the player his stats show. He is the hot chick with Goneria.. Both look great, but you want no part of them.. I dont care how many HRs or Rbis he has.. There is something about him that makes him a non winning player..

That WAS true until this season. He literally won the Clutch Player Of The Year award. I'm willing to bet the guy had better 9th inning #'s than anyone in the league. There was plenty of pressure on him when he hit 2 walk-off HR's, and even more notably, a considerable amount of pressure during his 2 out, 2 strike game-winner against Papelbon in Fenway Park (which I believe is the single moment that turned the Yankees' season around). There was also that ridiculous see-saw affair against, I believe it was Toronto? (Late in the season, Melky hit the game winning single)... With every game being a must-win to earn a playoff spot, A-Rod must've had 3 or 4 go-ahead/game-tying hits in that game.
His numbers in October this year span 4 measly games. EVERYONE got shut down against Carmona. The other 3 games, he managed to pick up a couple of hits, and actually hit a homerun in his last at-bat as a Yankee. Yeah, 3 hits and homerun aren't stellar numbers, but considering he didn't have many chances to shine (due to the pitching sucking dick), you can't really get on him for his approach this post-season. I honestly think he shook his pressure-situation jitters this year. He proved to be the most clutch player on the team all year long, and then only had 4 games in October... Not much of a chance to prove anything. During the regular season, hitting 1 homerun every 4 games ain't half bad.

I hate to defend the money-grubbing prick, but after this season, it's impossible to say he collapses under pressure anymore. And if he was able to be that clutch in New York, wherever he ends up, he will be seem/be that much better.

[JPMNICK]

He came up huge all year, the guy is going to win the MVP easily. Players will have average playoffs. The playoffs are such a small sample compared to the regular season. Frame this however you will, but the Yankees are a far worse team without A-Rod.

you are right, he did have a good regular season and good 9th inning stats and all that good stuff. but he also has not since he has been with the Yanks come up HUGE in a playoff series.

i agree there will be a massive sucking void when he is gone. but they won a bunch of world series before he got here, and I am sure they will win again. also people said him not going to boston meant they would not be winning it anytime soon and just the opposite happened, this year with a bunch of younger players.

[TheMojoPin]

How can you make a point about wins not being a telling part of a pitcher being good and then blindly look at Arods stats and proclaim him good for a team??

For the life of me, I cannot possibly determine how you are even beginning to compare the two. Wins and losses, for pitchers, are their worse stats for gauging their abilities as a pitcher compared to the other stats available. You're not going to find stats for ARod that provide such staggering contrasts. Crappy pitchers can win plenty of games on good teams (see Marquis, Jason) and good pitchers can lose a lot of games or have very low win totals when they're on bad teams or get very little run support (hello Rocket playing in Houston) and completely mislead people as to how good they actually are. Please point out how any of ARod's stats are actually hiding something the way wins and losses do about a pitcher.

[foodcourtdruide]

you are right, he did have a good regular season and good 9th inning stats and all that good stuff. but he also has not since he has been with the Yanks come up HUGE in a playoff series.

i agree there will be a massive sucking void when he is gone. but they won a bunch of world series before he got here, and I am sure they will win again. also people said him not going to boston meant they would not be winning it anytime soon and just the opposite happened, this year with a bunch of younger players.

It could happen for the Yankees, but who knows? Baseball is so unpredictable. I think that's why guys like A-Rod are so valuable because they are a sure thing.

[JPMNICK]

It could happen for the Yankees, but who knows? Baseball is so unpredictable. I think that's why guys like A-Rod are so valuable because they are a sure thing.

i guess my point being that while he was here the Yanks did not win, regardless of what he did or did not do at any point in the season. on paper they might be worse, but in the end it might be for the best

[Kevin]

For the life of me, I cannot possibly determine how you are even beginning to compare the two. Wins and losses, for pitchers, are their worse stats for gauging their abilities as a pitcher compared to the other stats available. You're not going to find stats for ARod that provide such staggering contrasts. Crappy pitchers can win plenty of games on good teams (see Marquis, Jason) and good pitchers can lose a lot of games or have very low win totals when they're on bad teams or get very little run support (hello Rocket playing in Houston) and completely mislead people as to how good they actually are. Please point out how any of ARod's stats are actually hiding something the way wins and losses do about a pitcher.

I just mean, do not judge a player by stat reading thats all. There is just something missing with the man.. I can't really explain it.

[Kevin]

That WAS true until this season. He literally won the Clutch Player Of The Year award. I'm willing to bet the guy had better 9th inning #'s than anyone in the league. There was plenty of pressure on him when he hit 2 walk-off HR's, and even more notably, a considerable amount of pressure during his 2 out, 2 strike game-winner against Papelbon in Fenway Park (which I believe is the single moment that turned the Yankees' season around). There was also that ridiculous see-saw affair against, I believe it was Toronto? (Late in the season, Melky hit the game winning single)... With every game being a must-win to earn a playoff spot, A-Rod must've had 3 or 4 go-ahead/game-tying hits in that game.
His numbers in October this year span 4 measly games. EVERYONE got shut down against Carmona. The other 3 games, he managed to pick up a couple of hits, and actually hit a homerun in his last at-bat as a Yankee. Yeah, 3 hits and homerun aren't stellar numbers, but considering he didn't have many chances to shine (due to the pitching sucking dick), you can't really get on him for his approach this post-season. I honestly think he shook his pressure-situation jitters this year. He proved to be the most clutch player on the team all year long, and then only had 4 games in October... Not much of a chance to prove anything. During the regular season, hitting 1 homerun every 4 games ain't half bad.

I hate to defend the money-grubbing prick, but after this season, it's impossible to say he collapses under pressure anymore. And if he was able to be that clutch in New York, wherever he ends up, he will be seem/be that much better.

I refuse to judge a player on what he does in a walk year.. He still stunk up the joint.. AGAIN(with others not just him) in the Playoffs. And the only real pressure he was on during the reg season, was the pressure he put on himself to hit 500.. And he had an AWFUL for a stretch.. Its all in his head.. He is an incredible player.. But he just stops himself.

[Doctor Z]

ANY player on the brink of 500 is gonna press for it.

Here's the thing... Everyone's saying "A-Rod hasn't come up huge in a post-season since he got here." When have the Yankees GOTTEN ANYWHERE in the post-season since he's gotten here? They haven't made it out of the 1st round in 3 years. Has ANYONE come up huge? When you get handled 3 years in a row, no one comes up big, cuz you lost.

[foodcourtdruide]

ANY player on the brink of 500 is gonna press for it.

Here's the thing... Everyone's saying "A-Rod hasn't come up huge in a post-season since he got here." When have the Yankees GOTTEN ANYWHERE in the post-season since he's gotten here? They haven't made it out of the 1st round in 3 years. Has ANYONE come up huge? When you get handled 3 years in a row, no one comes up big, cuz you lost.

I agree. And the notion that making it to the post-season is a guarentee is completely wrong. There are 14 AL teams and 4 make it to the post-season. The Yankees have the highest payroll, but some of their higher paid players are on the downsides of their careers and others were complete busts. I hate to say it, but Yankees fans (not all) are in for a dose of reality when they realize that their team is capable of going through a decade long stretch of mediocare baseball.

[A.J.]

Slow Month In Baseball Saved By A-Rod (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/slow_month_in_baseball_saved_by_a)

[Marc with a c]

When you get handled 3 years in a row, no one comes up big, cuz you lost.

what about tino, brosius, and jeter in '01?

[TheMojoPin]

I just mean, do not judge a player by stat reading thats all. There is just something missing with the man.. I can't really explain it.

You can't, because honestly, you're being ridiculous. Certain pitching stats are deceptive...again, explain how any of ARod's major stats are the same way. Even besides 2007, when he had a "bad" year in 2006, he was still better offensively than most of the other players in baseball.

[buzzard]

there are stat guys,$$ guys,leader guys..A-Rod seems to me to be a $$ guy role players are the key to success...send him to the Phillies and he'll destroy theirorganization.:thumbup:

[badorties]

espn is reporting that the yanks offered 5 year / 150 million added to his current contract ... arod wanted $350 million (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277) for an unspecified length of time

it'll be huge PR move to spin turning down $150 million

[JPMNICK]

espn is reporting that the yanks offered 5 year / 150 million added to his current contract ... arod wanted $350 million (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277) for an unspecified length of time

it'll be huge PR move to spin turning down $150 million

thats 30 million a year and I think he wants 35

[buzzard]

thats 30 million a year and I think he wants 35

that's a pretty good and quick spin Nick,sounds better that way :lol:

[JPMNICK]

that's a pretty good and quick spin Nick,sounds better that way :lol:

how do you have the balls to be the #1 paid player and then ask for a 10 million dollar a year raise? AND to lock in a contract until after you are 40.

[spadanko]

While this would make me very happy I just don't see it happening. True we don't have Bonds and his contract but they still don't have the room unless they increase the cap. Sabean (the giants GM) said the chances aren't likely but that anything is possible in baseball. Realistically they'd have to sell off a few of their young pitchers (something Sabean has mentioned he isn't likely to do). Its a really really long shot and would be great for this team, but I can't see it happening.

Not sure if you saw today, but Giants talked about selling off one or 2 pitchers to get a bat.. i think that is a mistake

[JPMNICK]

Not sure if you saw today, but Giants talked about selling off one or 2 pitchers to get a bat.. i think that is a mistake

that will be perfect for A-Rod, a NL team that is middle of the road. no pressure, huge contract, and you do not play any of your AL Foes.

plus as Mojo said the San Fran fans cheer for anyone

[TheMojoPin]

that will be perfect for A-Rod, a NL team that is middle of the road.

The Giants are nowhere near the middle of the road. They're a flaming wreck that swereved off the road 20 miles back and plunged into a ravine. If he'd rather go to a crappy team for money and to be "out of the way," the Marlins make much more sense. They're being very cryptic when responding to questions about him, implying they may be willing to pay. That way he goes to a crappy team that nobody pays attention to, including the people in the same state, he's playing in his backyard and he gets his money.

[Snacks]

espn is reporting that the yanks offered 5 year / 150 million added to his current contract ... arod wanted $350 million (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277) for an unspecified length of time

it'll be huge PR move to spin turning down $150 million

how is this any worse then what torre did? Torre was offered 5 million and 3 million more in incentives, he wanted no incentives and more money.

thats 30 million a year and I think he wants 35

wrong, that would give him 30 mill a year for the last 5 years of his extended contract, but he still would make 27 mil for the first 3 years. Plus he wants a 10 year deal.

how do you have the balls to be the #1 paid player and then ask for a 10 million dollar a year raise? AND to lock in a contract until after you are 40.

Easily, he is the best player in baseball. Jeter signed a deal that would pay him til hes 37-38 so arod is wrong for wanting a deal til hes 40?

[TheMojoPin]

Easily, he is the best player in baseball. Jeter signed a deal that would pay him til hes 37-38 so arod is wrong for wanting a deal til hes 40?

Jeter can do no wrong. The guy can refuse to move from SS for possibly the greatest player of all time at that spot, just like any good captain would do...come on, he smirks and shakes his head when a called pitch doesn't go his way and he once dove into the stands for a foul ball! He's amazing!



































For the record, I do think Jeter is a very good, HOF-worthy player...but him not moving to 2nd or 3rd for ARod when a player that good shows up is insanely ridiculous, especially when he's supposed to be the captain. People wanna look at where ARod and NYC went wrong, boom, it started right there.

[Bulldogcakes]

Thanks but no thanks (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/)

Red Sox captain Jason Varitek was asked yesterday whether A-Rod would be a good fit with Boston if Mike Lowell leaves.

Here is how the Boston Globe reported it:

Varitek paused for a moment. “You guys are putting me in a tough spot,” he said. “I know Mike does. That’s the only way I can answer it. Mike’s a great player. He was even better this year. I can say that.”

[TheGameHHH]

Jeter can do no wrong. The guy can refuse to move from SS for possibly the greatest player of all time at that spot, just like any good captain would do...come on, he smirks and shakes his head when a called pitch doesn't go his way and he once dove into the stands for a foul ball! He's amazing!

For the record, I do think Jeter is a very good, HOF-worthy player...but him not moving to 2nd or 3rd for ARod when a player that good shows up is insanely ridiculous, especially when he's supposed to be the captain. People wanna look at where ARod and NYC went wrong, boom, it started right there.

i will absolutely admit that in hind-sight Jeter should have moved positions when this all started. but theres no use bringing stuff like that up because we'll never know the true outcome. maybe if jeter did move, A-rod would have wound up even worse then he did at 3B. who knows?

an interesting tidbit i read down here in the paper was that Shaq's Star Island home has a contract put down on it for roughly $27 million. On the list of possible buyers interested? A-Rod. I know he's from the area, but something like that could signal a willingness to sign with the Marlins. They have been tossed around by ESPN.com a lot in the past few days as a possible destination.

[TheMojoPin]

i will absolutely admit that in hind-sight Jeter should have moved positions when this all started. but theres no use bringing stuff like that up because we'll never know the true outcome. maybe if jeter did move, A-rod would have wound up even worse then he did at 3B. who knows?

an interesting tidbit i read down here in the paper was that Shaq's Star Island home has a contract put down on it for roughly $27 million. On the list of possible buyers interested? A-Rod. I know he's from the area, but something like that could signal a willingness to sign with the Marlins. They have been tossed around by ESPN.com a lot in the past few days as a possible destination.

I never place stock in any of the "real estate" rumors that pop whenever a big player in any sport is talked about being traded or singing in a new city, even though I like my theory of him signing with the Marlins more and more.

[cougarjake13]

Jeter can do no wrong. The guy can refuse to move from SS for possibly the greatest player of all time at that spot, just like any good captain would do...come on, he smirks and shakes his head when a called pitch doesn't go his way and he once dove into the stands for a foul ball! He's amazing!

For the record, I do think Jeter is a very good, HOF-worthy player...but him not moving to 2nd or 3rd for ARod when a player that good shows up is insanely ridiculous, especially when he's supposed to be the captain. People wanna look at where ARod and NYC went wrong, boom, it started right there.

so you're saying things would have been different if a rod played short and jeter played 3rd or 2nd ???

i fail to see how what position they played would affect them at the plate and having a lack of quality pitching and a suspect bullpen at times

[TheMojoPin]

so you're saying things would have been different if a rod played short and jeter played 3rd or 2nd ???

i fail to see how what position they played would affect them at the plate and having a lack of quality pitching and a suspect bullpen at times

I'm not necessarily talking in terms of the Yankees doing better or worse...I'm talking about the general air of anti-ARodness that popped up almost right away after he got there. Him being banished to 3rd instead of a lesser player currently occupying his natural position sent a very clear public statement that already painted his tenure as a Yankee with a negative perception. The team captain from day one was making it very clear that the team was going to do everything possible to "control" ARod seemingly to downplay the money and gigantic public personality. It set the tone for everything that was to come.

[cougarjake13]

I'm not necessarily talking in terms of the Yankees doing better or worse...I'm talking about the general air of anti-ARodness that popped up almost right away after he got there. Him being banished to 3rd instead of a lesser player currently occupying his natural position sent a very clear public statement that already painted his tenure as a Yankee with a negative perception. The team captain from day one was making it very clear that the team was going to do everything possible to "control" ARod seemingly to downplay the money and gigantic public personality. It set the tone for everything that was to come.

and you dont think that moving the already established true yankee jeter from his natural spot to let A rod stay at short wouldnt have been worse ???

[Bulldogcakes]

Funny Boras article (http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/scottboras_full.htm)

Its copywrighted, so I can't post any of it. A MUST read. He demands millions to rescue a drowning kid.

[Kevin]

Funny Boras article (http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/scottboras_full.htm)

Its copywrighted, so I can't post any of it. A MUST read. He demands millions to rescue a drowning kid.

Meanwhile.. Back in 2007..

[TheMojoPin]

and you dont think that moving the already established true yankee jeter from his natural spot to let A rod stay at short wouldnt have been worse ???

No, because things like "true Yankees" are complete bullshit that don't actually mean anything. You play to the strengths of the better player to maximize his talent, that's just common baseball sense.

[Bulldogcakes]

A-Rod will announce he really wants to stay a Yankee at halftime of the Patriots-Colts game this afternoon.






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[foodcourtdruide]

No, because things like "true Yankees" are complete bullshit that don't actually mean anything. You play to the strengths of the better player to maximize his talent, that's just common baseball sense.

Agreed. The idea that someone puts on a Yankees uniform and is magically transformed into a different player is ridiculous. I always hear Yankees fans talking about this and it's laughable when said by an adult.

[Bulldogcakes]

A-Rod will announce at halftime of the Super Bowl that he's pregnant with Derek Jeter's love child.

[Bulldogcakes]

A-Rod will grab the mike from Marv Albert's hand and scream out "HA!" in the last 2 minutes of the NBA finals.

[TheMojoPin]

We've got a pyramid...


























And that's it.

[cougarjake13]

No, because things like "true Yankees" are complete bullshit that don't actually mean anything. You play to the strengths of the better player to maximize his talent, that's just common baseball sense.

understandable

but i was referring to your comment of saying that moving a rod to 3rd when he came over instead of jeter alienated a rod to yankee fans

and i countered with moving jeter over when a rod came would have been worse since jeter was already loved in new york, won championships, etc.

[TheMojoPin]

understandable

but i was referring to your comment of saying that moving a rod to 3rd when he came over instead of jeter alienated a rod to yankee fans

and i countered with moving jeter over when a rod came would have been worse since jeter was already loved in new york, won championships, etc.

No, "alienated" isn't what happened there. But it did set the tone...it's hard to explain, but it really is bizarre that one of the best players of all time is, immediately upon his arrival, bounced to a totally new position for the sake of a lesser player. I don't really see why people would have been against ARod if he took over SS. It's not like Jeter was leaving the team.

[patsopinion]

i say arod ends up with the cubz
payroll
doesn't play well in post season (like the franchise)

[barjockey]

A-Rod will announce he really wants to stay a Yankee at halftime of the Patriots-Colts game this afternoon.






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I s Susan Waldman gonna be there?

[Bulldogcakes]

Fine, I'll build this motherfucker all by myself.


A-Rod will run out on stage at the Grammy awards and slap an award out of Justin Timberlake's hands.

[BoondockSaint]

Fine, I'll build this motherfucker all by myself.


A-Rod will run out on stage at the Grammy awards and slap an award out of Justin Timberlake's hands.

I now believe that you were one of the callers that made R&F stop doing comedy pyramids. Bastard.

[Bulldogcakes]

I now believe that you were one of the callers that made R&F stop doing comedy pyramids. Bastard.

No, that award goes to Washington DC. Who couldn't build a pyramid if they were enslaved Jews in Egypt.

[Kevin]

Call me crazy.. And i have been called that many o times in this thread.. BUUUUUT..





































I think Arod is going to re sign with the Yankees...

Yankees will find out that they can't get a 3b on the FA market..And getting one by trade will hurt their team/farm/future, and Arod knows that there is really no other place where he can get his money.. And still compete every year.. I know there will be other "good teams" after him, but, none that can carry his salary and still compete every year.. Especialy with so many huge salaries running out in the next 2 years.. Giambi, Damon, Matsui, Mussina.. etc.. Now you say, the Yanks will look bad if they go back on their word.. That can be spinned this way.. Arod goes last minute like Bernie and Beltran.. Take a little less from the Yankees.. The Yanks could say, he showed he wanted to be here, by taking less money, so we decided to go back and talk and we came to a deal.. Who knows.. But its a feeling..

[Fezticle98]

Fine, I'll build this motherfucker all by myself.


A-Rod will run out on stage at the Grammy awards and slap the cock out of Justin Timberlake's mouth.

Tried to fix it for ya.

[Doctor Z]

Call me crazy.. And i have been called that many o times in this thread.. BUUUUUT..

I think Arod is going to re sign with the Yankees...


Crazy.

[Kevin]

Crazy.

Ok.. but if it happens, just give me credit.. If it doesn't, then as usual, i am an idiot..

[sailor]

super-crazy, especially given reports he wanted $100 million more than the yanks offered. i have no problem with the yanks getting him tho, but it would have to be less than his current contract plus extension less the texas money. they just can't bid against themselves like texas did last time.

[Kevin]

super-crazy, especially given reports he wanted $100 million more than the yanks offered. i have no problem with the yanks getting him tho, but it would have to be less than his current contract plus extension less the texas money. they just can't bid against themselves like texas did last time.

Yea, i do not think they are going to go to Arod, or bid.. I just think Boras has a habbit of giving the Yanks one last final shot before he signs his clients..

[TheGameHHH]

Yea, i do not think they are going to go to Arod, or bid.. I just think Boras has a habbit of giving the Yanks one last final shot before he signs his clients..

You have the exclusive privledge of joining my father as the only two people crazy enough to believe that A-Rod and the Yankees are gonna reach a deal.

[TheMojoPin]

and Arod knows that there is really no other place where he can get his money.. And still compete every year.. I know there will be other "good teams" after him, but, none that can carry his salary and still compete every year..

Ridiculous.

[JPMNICK]

there is zero chance he comes back to NYY. he did not like it here, and I do not think he would be welcomed back, especially since even at the same salary the Yanks take a 70 million dollar hit.

[Bulldogcakes]

Call me crazy.. And i have been called that many o times in this thread.. BUUUUUT..

I think Arod is going to re sign with the Yankees...

Yankees will find out that they can't get a 3b on the FA market..And getting one by trade will hurt their team/farm/future, and Arod knows that there is really no other place where he can get his money.. And still compete every year.. I know there will be other "good teams" after him, but, none that can carry his salary and still compete every year.. Especialy with so many huge salaries running out in the next 2 years.. Giambi, Damon, Matsui, Mussina.. etc.. Now you say, the Yanks will look bad if they go back on their word.. That can be spinned this way.. Arod goes last minute like Bernie and Beltran.. Take a little less from the Yankees.. The Yanks could say, he showed he wanted to be here, by taking less money, so we decided to go back and talk and we came to a deal.. Who knows.. But its a feeling..

Crazy.

But seriously, I think you're just falling for the Boras BS. He wants DESPERATELY for the Yanks to be involved in the bidding, who wouldn't? So he's spreading rumors about how Alex really wants to stay, how the Bosox are getting involved, the Mets are "serious bidders". I don't buy a word of it. Theo has regretted the Manny signing for years, has tried to deal him annually, and the Mets will NEVER spend that kind of scratch. EVER.

I think they stick to their guns. The Girardi hiring signals a shift in direction for the Yanks, anyway. I don't expect to see them loading their lineup with huge names anymore, I think they will be more focused on pitching. The A-Rod years with the Yanks were good for their business, but not good in the playoffs, and he contributed mightily to those playoff failures hitting (actually, NOT hitting) in the cleanup spot.

Plus, Jeter hates his guts.

[Bulldogcakes]

there is zero chance he comes back to NYY. he did not like it here, and I do not think he would be welcomed back, especially since even at the same salary the Yanks take a 70 million dollar hit.

He sure did opt out at the very first second he could. Actually, even before that. You're supposed to wait until after the WS is over, he did it in the 7th inning.

[cougarjake13]

is there any chance that of all the teams that can actually entertain the idea of signing him just decide its not worth it and he just sits on his ass ????

[TheMojoPin]

The Girardi hiring signals a shift in direction for the Yanks, anyway. I don't expect to see them loading their lineup with huge names anymore, I think they will be more focused on pitching.

For Joe to destroy.

[sailor]

For Joe to destroy.

he's no dusty.

[TheMojoPin]

he's no dusty.

Few are. But Girardi definitely had some very worrisome warning signs with the Marlins in this regard. I'm surprised that people raving over the Yankees' "young pitching" aren't at least just a little wary about the consequences of a guy who rode his young pitching staff very hard in the one year he managed before he was fired.

[CruelCircus]

If he'd rather go to a crappy team for money and to be "out of the way," the Marlins make much more sense. They're being very cryptic when responding to questions about him, implying they may be willing to pay. That way he goes to a crappy team that nobody pays attention to, including the people in the same state, he's playing in his backyard and he gets his money.

The Marlins actually are a good fit for an idea I had. (It could fit for any team, but the Marlins are the best, I think.) If I'm ARod, I approach the team with this idea:

"I will play for you until I retire (10, 12 years, whatever) for the league minimum. In exchange, I want a stake in the ownership of the team. You'd have an all-world 3rd basemen for nothing, would sell tickets, merchandise, and TV ratings out the wazoo, and would have the money and juice to build the new stadium you need."

In 10 years, with a new stadium, the Marlins are worth over a billion dollars. If he gets a third of the team, he's set for life, he's been earning profits on his stake all this time, and he's a beloved fixture in Miami forever.

[TheMojoPin]

The Marlins actually are a good fit for an idea I had. (It could fit for any team, but the Marlins are the best, I think.) If I'm ARod, I approach the team with this idea:

"I will play for you until I retire (10, 12 years, whatever) for the league minimum. In exchange, I want a stake in the ownership of the team. You'd have an all-world 3rd basemen for nothing, would sell tickets, merchandise, and TV ratings out the wazoo, and would have the money and juice to build the new stadium you need."

In 10 years, with a new stadium, the Marlins are worth over a billion dollars. If he gets a third of the team, he's set for life, he's been earning profits on his stake all this time, and he's a beloved fixture in Miami forever.

Active players can't have anything in their contract about owning a part of any team while they're playing or even a promise for part ownership once they retire. Any such agreement would have to be of the handshake variety and strictly off the record or else both the team and the player are in huge trouble. I learned that when it was rumored one of the bidders for the Cubs were talking to him and Boras about something similar if he signed with them.

[cougarjake13]

i cant see the marlins paying more for A rod then they currently have for the entire team

[TheMojoPin]

i cant see the marlins paying more for A rod then they currently have for the entire team

Well, their consistently low payroll means they have a ton of money to spend, and ARod potentially brings a return that easily pays back what he costs and then some. A LOT of then some.

[Don Stugots]

Without reading the whole thread, where ever he goes, he will be seen as a hero, he is the guy that The Yankees couldn't buy. If he goes to the METS (which is where i am hoping he goes besides The Dodgers) he will be a bigger than US STEEL.

[lleeder]

Without reading the whole thread, where ever he goes, he will be seen as a hero, he is the guy that The Yankees couldn't buy. If he goes to the METS (which is where i am hoping he goes besides The Dodgers) he will be a bigger than US STEEL.

Couldn't they buy him if they wanted too? He would be the guy that they eventually decided not to buy and let someone else pay more for.

[Don Stugots]

Couldn't they buy him if they wanted too? He would be the guy that they eventually decided not to buy and let someone else pay more for.

i am just looking at how the NY POST will spin it. not the Daily News.

[cougarjake13]

Well, their consistently low payroll means they have a ton of money to spend, and ARod potentially brings a return that easily pays back what he costs and then some. A LOT of then some.

which is why i dont see them spending the money, unless they're going to do it to try and secure that new ballpark they want

[TheMojoPin]

which is why i dont see them spending the money, unless they're going to do it to try and secure that new ballpark they want

Well, that would be one of the main reasons to sign him.

[TheGameHHH]

From A-Rod's website:

"After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

"Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

"As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

"Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days,"


what what what?????

[Don Stugots]

From A-Rod's website:

"After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

"Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

"As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

"Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days,"


what what what?????

in other words:

no one else is calling.

[zildjian361]

heard he fired scott boras we could use him.:wink:

[patsopinion]

the difference between 22mil and 30 mil is massive
when your talking those numbers it doesnt seem that drastic
but in reality your talking about 2 decent mid level players in the difference
and most teams cant afford to bring in that kind of talent because they actually have a team in place

in reality for that kind of cash they could build entire franchise from the ground up around a player
and the cubs aren't in the market which would be one of the competitive franchises


without a stadium deal in the works for the sox(red) i see him going back to the yankees at 27 mil for 9 years

[TheMojoPin]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

Oh my God, the amount of crow eating and backpeddling on the part of the Yankees' brass, fans and media is going to be hysterical. Even better, they get the shaft in terms of Texas paying a dime for ARod.

That said, I still think this is all just posturing...part of it to see if the Yanks will bite, but also to drive up his price elsewhere if they don't.

[patsopinion]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

Oh my God, the amount of crow eating and backpeddling on the part of the Yankees' brass, fans and media is going to be hysterical. Even better, they get the shaft in terms of Texas paying a dime for ARod. SO AWESOME.

its really to bad the cubs aren't active this year in the market because they could be a very good team/fun to watch with arod

billy bean talks about the playoffs being a crap shoot and it seems that with his regular season numbers the cubs would have a much better chance of getting there

[TheMojoPin]

its really to bad the cubs aren't active this year in the market because they could be a very good team/fun to watch with arod

billy bean talks about the playoffs being a crap shoot and it seems that with his regular season numbers the cubs would have a much better chance of getting there

Oh, obviously. It's just craptacular timing that he was theoretically available now with the ownership up in limbo. Of course, now the Tribune is talking like they want the deal done by the end of the year at the lastest, so who knows? As it stands, they have $25-30 million to spend, so it would either be 2-3 players or ARod uber alles. Sounds like they're going with the former.

[BoondockSaint]

Oh my goodness gracious. Of all the dramatic things...

[TheMojoPin]

If he's back with the Yanks, I'm dying to hear guys like Tenbats and BDC spin it. Man, those "new Yankees" were sure fun while they lasted, weren't they?

[Kevin]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

Oh my God, the amount of crow eating and backpeddling on the part of the Yankees' brass, fans and media is going to be hysterical. Even better, they get the shaft in terms of Texas paying a dime for ARod.

That said, I still think this is all just posturing...part of it to see if the Yanks will bite, but also to drive up his price elsewhere if they don't.

You are out of your gord on this one..

Its not eating crow because HE came to them and basically begged to come back.. They said NO Boras.. And the contract is LESS than he would have gotten in his orginal offer.. HOW IS THIS YANKEES EATING CROW??

Its not like this is feb 2nd and he isn't signed yet.. ITS 2 DAYS into the FA process.. And its looking like a done deal here, so its not postering..

[patsopinion]

but arod has a time table to sign before Mitchell

[BoondockSaint]

You are out of your gord on this one..

Its not eating crow because HE came to them and basically begged to come back.. They said NO Boras.. And the contract is LESS than he would have gotten in his orginal offer.. HOW IS THIS YANKEES EATING CROW??

Its not like this is feb 2nd and he isn't signed yet.. ITS 2 DAYS into the FA process.. And its looking like a done deal here, so its not postering..

But it's not less then what the Yankees would have paid. They just took the Texas money out.

[Kevin]

If he's back with the Yanks, I'm dying to hear guys like Tenbats and BDC spin it. Man, those "new Yankees" were sure fun while they lasted, weren't they?

Part of this is.. NO one out there.. Lowell is a Fenway player and would not be great here.. Cabrera would have cost you one of the pitchers and Melky and Tabada.. PLUS in 2 years your paying Cabrera 20mil maybe more anyway..

So Its Arod and keep your guys, Or trade your future for Cabrera..

If there was a decent FA 3B out there, Arod would not be back..

[Kevin]

but arod has a time table to sign before Mitchell

I think Bud would have tipped the Yanks on if that was the case, being that its such a huge deal.

[TheMojoPin]

You are out of your gord on this one..

Its not eating crow because HE came to them and basically begged to come back.. They said NO Boras.. And the contract is LESS than he would have gotten in his orginal offer.. HOW IS THIS YANKEES EATING CROW??

Because they very vocally washed their hands of him.

In all honesty, it makes btoh sides looked ridiculous. ARod is basically showing that it is about the money over all else. The Yankees are obviously a competitive team, but he could have picked at least a half dozen others that are good right now that could have paid him around $20 million per for 10-12 years. Obviously, the payday would have had to have been likely in the $18-$20 million range, but he'd still be getting massive money for at least decade. Crawling back to the Yanks basically shows that we wants the money more than anything, so that particular question is answered. But yeah, everyone looks like shit in this except for the Texas Rangers. They make out like bandits.

[patsopinion]

I think Bud would have tipped the Yanks on if that was the case, being that its such a huge deal.

and the players union was complaining that a rod was being tampered with by selig

[TheMojoPin]

Part of this is.. NO one out there.. Lowell is a Fenway player and would not be great here.. Cabrera would have cost you one of the pitchers and Melky and Tabada.. PLUS in 2 years your paying Cabrera 20mil maybe more anyway..

So Its Arod and keep your guys, Or trade your future for Cabrera..

If there was a decent FA 3B out there, Arod would not be back..

It's not like the Yankees were hinged on having an all star 3B. They could have opted to improve elsewhere and dealt with a just mediocre or decent third sacker.

[Kevin]

But it's not less then what the Yankees would have paid. They just took the Texas money out.

Yea, but Arod isn't getting that diff.. And like i said.. Most of this was there was no one out there..

[Kevin]

It's not like the Yankees were hinged on having an all star 3B. They could have opted to improve elsewhere and dealt with a just mediocre or decent third sacker.

Who??


4 year 60 for Lowell??

Trading for a Crede off back surgery??

a Down hill Miguel Tejada, who the O's would never give him cheaply anyway..

There is no one out there that made any sense..

Plus now they can concentrate on using those prospects for Santana, which they should have done..

[Kevin]

Because they very vocally washed their hands of him.

In all honesty, it makes btoh sides looked ridiculous. ARod is basically showing that it is about the money over all else. The Yankees are obviously a competitive team, but he could have picked at least a half dozen others that are good right now that could have paid him around $20 million per for 10-12 years. Obviously, the payday would have had to have been likely in the $18-$20 million range, but he'd still be getting massive money for at least decade. Crawling back to the Yanks basically shows that we wants the money more than anything, so that particular question is answered. But yeah, everyone looks like shit in this except for the Texas Rangers. They make out like bandits.

Texas still has to pay him 3mil of that 7 per to him still...

[TheMojoPin]

Who??


4 year 60 for Lowell??

Trading for a Crede off back surgery??

a Down hill Miguel Tejada, who the O's would never give him cheaply anyway..

There is no one out there that made any sense..

Plus now they can concentrate on using those prospects for Santana, which they should have done..

Oh my God, did you completely ignore what I said? I said that the Yankees don't HAVE to have an all star at 3B for their team to win. They can settle for a decent or average third baseman and upgrade elsewhere through trades or signings. You're talking like everything else should be set in stone and they can only work with 3B in terms of getting someone new and it can only be an all star.

[TheMojoPin]

Texas still has to pay him 3mil of that 7 per to him still...

$9 million is a whole heck of a lot easier to deal with instead of $21 million.

[BoondockSaint]

Texas still has to pay him 3mil of that 7 per to him still...

So A-Rod gambled 12mil to try and make 50mil and lost.

[Kevin]

$9 million is a whole heck of a lot easier to deal with instead of $21 million.

Yea, agreed there..

[HBox]

Looks like it's all but done: 10 years and $275 million. (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/11/14/a-rod-slips-leash-and-returns-to-yanks/)

[TheMojoPin]

Looks like it's all but done: 10 years and $275 million. (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/11/14/a-rod-slips-leash-and-returns-to-yanks/)

Man, I thought this would have gone on at least until the end of the month. This hot stove season is gonna be REALLY boring now.

[patsopinion]

Man, I thought this would have gone on at least until the end of the month. This hot stove season is gonna be REALLY boring now.

yea really
i had just put fox sports rumor mill on my bookmarks and everything?

[Snacks]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

Oh my God, the amount of crow eating and backpeddling on the part of the Yankees' brass, fans and media is going to be hysterical. Even better, they get the shaft in terms of Texas paying a dime for ARod.
That said, I still think this is all just posturing...part of it to see if the Yanks will bite, but also to drive up his price elsewhere if they don't.

If he's back with the Yanks, I'm dying to hear guys like Tenbats and BDC spin it. Man, those "new Yankees" were sure fun while they lasted, weren't they?

So true so true. So many yankee fans on here bashed the shit out of arod and talking shit about "we dont need him" and "good riddance", lol so comical. The fact that these same fans are now praising him and welcoming him back are so ridiculous. "Yankee fans" are the reason I CANT be a yankee fan anymore. They talk so much shit, they think they are entitled to everything. If Arod signs with the Yanks I will lose a lot of respect for him. He will be coming back to a team that has showed him no respect, the fans show no support for him, if he gets a mild slump he gets booed but jeter could go 0-50 and they will love him.

[HBox]

Chew on this: Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Yanks will STILL go after Mike Lowell, for 1B.

[Bulldogcakes]

Chew on this: Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Yanks will STILL go after Mike Lowell, for 1B.

Because the Yanks need ANOTHER 1B, right? Why stop at 3?

If you ever needed proof that the Yanks and RedSox claim to be interested in each others' players when they're really not, this is it. Its just to drive up the price for the other team.

[Kevin]

So true so true. So many yankee fans on here bashed the shit out of arod and talking shit about "we dont need him" and "good riddance", lol so comical. The fact that these same fans are now praising him and welcoming him back are so ridiculous. "Yankee fans" are the reason I CANT be a yankee fan anymore. They talk so much shit, they think they are entitled to everything. If Arod signs with the Yanks I will lose a lot of respect for him. He will be coming back to a team that has showed him no respect, the fans show no support for him, if he gets a mild slump he gets booed but jeter could go 0-50 and they will love him.

Agreeing with mojo.. Boy that took alot of balls..

And i think he gains respect here.. People will see it as him taking shit into his own hands and telling Boras to fuck off.

And OH by the way.. Jeter got booed too.. When he started like 0-30 thats year.. I even think Mariano got booed too, when he blew all those games to Bos..Not proud of it, just saying..

[Bulldogcakes]

Agreeing with mojo.. Boy that took alot of balls..

And i think he gains respect here.. People will see it as him taking shit into his own hands and telling Boras to fuck off.

And OH by the way.. Jeter got booed too.. When he started like 0-30 thats year.. I even think Mariano got booed too, when he blew all those games to Bos..Not proud of it, just saying..

Us Yankee fans are so unique in that sense. Freakish, actually. Fans from other teams look at us with a combination of horror and amazement. Especially Mets fans. Mets fans never boo their players.


Oh thats right. Carlos Beltran, first AB, opening day last year.

Never mind.

[patsopinion]

beltran and nomo should should set a clear president for players having health incentive contracts

those guys have got the hearts of late term abortion

[Kevin]

beltran and nomo should should set a clear president for players having health incentive contracts

those guys have got the hearts of late term abortion

And which president did they set while they were doing these things??

Clinton?? Bush??

[BoondockSaint]

And i think he gains respect here.. People will see it as him taking shit into his own hands and telling Boras to fuck off.


As Ronnie B. would say, "Rubes on the midway."

[cougarjake13]

Us Yankee fans are so unique in that sense. Freakish, actually. Fans from other teams look at us with a combination of horror and amazement. Especially Mets fans. Mets fans never boo their players.


Oh thats right. Carlos Beltran, first AB, opening day last year.

Never mind.

yeh but jeter was 0 for 30 in april

we booed beltran for letting the bat sit on his shoulders in a win or go home playoff game

[A.J.]

ARod is basically showing that it is about the money over all else.

AGAIN. Christ, he's turning into another Roger Clemens.

Great article by Gene Wojciechowski from ESPN.com Page 2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3108161&sportCat=mlb).

[cougarjake13]

AGAIN. Christ, he's turning into another Roger Clemens.

Great article by Gene Wojciechowski from ESPN.com Page 2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3108161&sportCat=mlb).

nice find

pretty funny cause most of its true

[underdog]

AGAIN. Christ, he's turning into another Roger Clemens.

I don't get when people are surprised that its all about the money. Its ALWAYS about the money. I'm just surprised when someone takes less money to go somewhere.

[A.J.]

I don't get when people are surprised that its all about the money. Its ALWAYS about the money. I'm just surprised when someone takes less money to go somewhere.

Because, in the case of A-Rod, with each new contract he's always stated publicly that it's not about money but about "winning champioships".

He bullshits as well as a politician.

[HBox]

Because, in the case of A-Rod, with each new contract he's always stated publicly that it's not about money but about "winning champioships".

He bullshits as well as a politician.

As long as there's no more opt-outs in his new contract and he continues to produce he can say that he'd love to assrape every man, woman and child in the Tri-State area for all I care.

[cougarjake13]

As long as there's no more opt-outs in his new contract and he continues to produce he can say that he'd love to assrape every man, woman and child in the Tri-State area for all I care.

the yanks would be crazy to include a opt out clause

[ralphbxny]

Lock it up!

[Snoogans]

Us Yankee fans are so unique in that sense. Freakish, actually. Fans from other teams look at us with a combination of horror and amazement. Especially Mets fans. Mets fans never boo their players.


Oh thats right. Carlos Beltran, first AB, opening day last year.

Never mind.

Please, Philly fans would boo a guy who grounds out to cap a 3-5 night that he had 2 homers and 5 RBI

[TheMojoPin]

Hands up if you still REALLY think that ARod pulled this off "without" Boras.

[BoondockSaint]

Hands up if you still REALLY think that ARod pulled this off "without" Boras.

No, it was Warren Buffett, Goldman Sachs and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. And boy did the Yanks stick it to him. He's barely going to make more than $300mil.

[sailor]

Agreeing with mojo.. Boy that took alot of balls..

And i think he gains respect here.. People will see it as him taking shit into his own hands and telling Boras to fuck off.

if he wanted to tell boras to fuck off, he could have fired him and saved a ton of commission money. so, he didn't really tell him to fuck off.

[TheMojoPin]

if he wanted to tell boras to fuck off, he could have fired him and saved a ton of commission money. so, he didn't really tell him to fuck off.

Bingo. Boras was all over this.

[JPMNICK]

Hands up if you still REALLY think that ARod pulled this off "without" Boras.

there is no way. Boras is getting his massive commission on this, but I do think this made him look bad.

[buzzard]

with his 3rd MVP award!

[TheMojoPin]

there is no way. Boras is getting his massive commission on this, but I do think this made him look bad.

I don't think it does at all. For all intents and purposes, his client is likely getting his $300 million.