2007 World Series Champion Boston Red Sox Thread

[A.J.]

Have at.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm so happy another team besides NYC area teams were in the World Series. I only wish they got knocked out of the playoffs earlier.

Even when you're not a sports fan, you seem to catch little bits and pieces of coverage of these games when NYC is going for a playoff win or championship. But I didn't even know the Red Sox had swept the Rockies until a little while ago. The coverage goes way down when your area team isn't up for anything.

[A.J.]

Nice.

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/images/2007/10/29/RAo3JPEz.jpg

[BeerBandit]

You guys want Milledge? We'll take any halfway decent catching prospect you might have.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Yeah we don't have any, boss.

[Fallon]

-Sign Lowell.
-Trade Crisp and Lugo.
-Say goodbye to Schilling and Gagne.

[joeyballsack]

-Sign Lowell.
-Trade Crisp and Lugo.
-Say goodbye to Schilling and Gagne.

Who do you replace Lugo with ? The merry go round at SS has to stop somewhere.

I would keep Schilling but not at his current contracts #'s. He is a solid starter and I think he is a good influence on the younger pitchers.

Which of the following guys with expiring contracts would you bring back ? :

Matt Clement (gone)
Donnelly (gone)
Hinske (gone)
Mirabelli (gone)
Tavarez (bring him back)
Timlin (Bring him back)

[Doctor Z]

I'm so happy another team besides NYC area teams were in the World Series. I only wish they got knocked out of the playoffs earlier.


Hello, and welcome to 2002.

[A.J.]

I'd trade/cut loose: Coco, Clement, Gagne, Mirabelli (Cash handled Wake pretty well and he's much younger).

I'm mixed about the utility guys: Cora/Hinske/Kielty. It'll be interesting to see who is considered the most "expendable" of the 3.

Pitching: keep as much as you can.

Resign Lowell and Schill (1-year deal).

[Kris10]

I don't think Schill would take a 1 yr deal though.

[A.J.]

That's what he axed for.

[Fallon]

Who do you replace Lugo with ? The merry go round at SS has to stop somewhere.

I would keep Schilling but not at his current contracts #'s. He is a solid starter and I think he is a good influence on the younger pitchers.

Which of the following guys with expiring contracts would you bring back ? :

Matt Clement (gone)
Donnelly (gone)
Hinske (gone)
Mirabelli (gone)
Tavarez (bring him back)
Timlin (Bring him back)

I don't know who they'd have at SS, but lugo isn't very good. He didn't hit well, he can do the basic fielding, but he also trys to catch balls that are not his. He's dumb that way.

Honestly I don't want any of them back. Timlin and Schilling can't stay healthy for more than a couple months at a time, Mirabelli can't hit at al anymore, Tavarez is a headcae and the other guys don't matter.

[Doctor Z]

I can name a pretty decent shortstop who's on the market right now...

[Kris10]

The Phils are just the team to pick up Schilling too. They love 1 yr deals, injury prone, returning players.... it screams Schill.

I'd don't think Philly would embrace him though.

[Fallon]

I'd don't think Philly would embrace him though.

Philly doesn't like winning attitudes.

[Kris10]

Schilling was a part of alot of media slamming in 93 with the Phillies

[Kris10]

Philly doesn't like winning attitudes.

And to think I gave you a kiss in a post the other day.... I take it back!

[Fallon]

And to think I gave you a kiss in a post the other day.... I take it back!

I was only jokin'! :surrender:

[Fezticle98]

Keep Lugo around. He's still got 3 years left on his contract. No sense in trading him, getting nothing in return and still having to pay most of his contract. If we eat his contract, Crisp's contract and have to give Lowell a raise, that's a lot of money down the drain.

Lugo provides the speed at the bottom of the lineup to compliment Ellsbury's speed at the top. He had a bad season average-wise, but there's no reason he can't recover to hit .275 next year.

Keep Lugo.
Resign Lowell.
Trade Coco (for some middle relief help).
Keep Cora. He's signed through 2008 and is a good fielder at both 2b/ss.

Clement gone.
Donnelly gone.

I'm kind of undecided on the rest, Timlin, Tavarez, Mirabelli, Hinske/Kielty.

It's a tough call on Schilling, too.

So many of the decisions are dependent on one another.

[Fezticle98]

Not THIS again.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/2007-10-31-ball_N.htm

Meh, probably just trying to create a story where there isn't one. I mean, I think Gagne took it.

[Marc with a c]

paps is on letterman tonight

[cougarjake13]

Not THIS again.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/2007-10-31-ball_N.htm

Meh, probably just trying to create a story where there isn't one. I mean, I think Gagne took it.

if you watch the tape you'll see varitek put the ball in his back pocket after the last pitch was thrown

[Fezticle98]

if you watch the tape you'll see varitek put the ball in his back pocket after the last pitch was thrown

Duly noted, however, the article addresses that. Basically, Varitek says he gave it to Papelbon. Papelbon says he doesn't know where it is.

Again, probably not a big deal. Notable more as an example of the media's story creating ability.

[Fallon]

paps is on letterman tonight

He was really good on the show. Here is the video.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/10/papelbon_on_let.html

[Jujubees2]

What a class act Tek is!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/11/02/fans_catch_treat_at_varitek_home/

[Fezticle98]

What a class act Tek is!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/11/02/fans_catch_treat_at_varitek_home/

I miss Halloween at Joey Belle's house.

[A.J.]

Wake and Tavarez are coming back. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071102&content_id=2291432&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[ChrisTheCop]

Not exactly breaking news AJ, but definitely welcome news.

Wake is obviously a good keep, but although I may have said it 3 or 4 times this season, I'll say it again, Tavarez has become an incredible asset, and I'm glad we kept him.


Now, about that Tek.... ok, it was his daughters idea, but he went out and did it. The guys on this team are just amazing people. Arod wont sign one autograph for a cop that did him a favor, but Tek signed hundreds for the kids in his town. Great story.

God I miss baseball.

[ChrisTheCop]

was browsing youtube for great sports speeches, but found this:
enjoy.

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[Fezticle98]

Looks like Schill and the Sox are close to a deal:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096549

It's described as an incentive-laden, one year deal. It would be nice to have him back.

[Dan 'Hampton]

If it's true, incentive ladden would be the way to go. I really believe he wants to end his career here. Hopefully that will happen.

[joeyballsack]

I would like him to come back for another year. He gives the press something to talk about instead of killing guys like Drew and Lugo.

[Fezticle98]

We have an agreement. :clap::thumbup:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096549

$8mil + $2mil in possible incentives.

[ChrisTheCop]

confirmed at mlb.com. great news.

now onto Lowell!!!

[A.J.]

Congratulations Gold Glove winner Kevin Youkilis! (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071106&content_id=2293617&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Not bad for a guy who started off as a 3rd baseman.

[underdog]

Sox make strong offer to Lowell (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1043481)

[ChrisTheCop]

PEDROIA NAMED AL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!! (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071112&content_id=2298586&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[ChrisTheCop]

World Series Champs: Boston Red Sox
World Series MVP: Mike Lowell
AL Rookie of the Year: Dustin Pedroia
Golden Glove: Kevin Youkilis
Silver Slugger: David Ortiz

Hell, even People Magazine's Sexies Fan Alive is a Boston Red Sox fan!
(it wasnt me OR Fallon...according to People anyway).

And today (Tuesday) is the day that Josh Beckett WILL receive his Cy Young Award!!!!

Go Sox!

[A.J.]

PEDROIA NAMED AL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!! (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071112&content_id=2298586&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Amazing really -- considering that at the start of the season he was on the verge of being sent back to the minors because he was sucking so badly.

First Sox ROY since Nomah!

[BoondockSaint]

And today (Tuesday) is the day that Josh Beckett WILL receive his Cy Young Award!!!!

Go Sox!


Good job, new jinxy.

[Kevin]

World Series Champs: Boston Red Sox
World Series MVP: Mike Lowell
AL Rookie of the Year: Dustin Pedroia
Golden Glove: Kevin Youkilis
Silver Slugger: David Ortiz

Hell, even People Magazine's Sexies Fan Alive is a Boston Red Sox fan!
(it wasnt me OR Fallon...according to People anyway).

And today (Tuesday) is the day that Josh Beckett WILL receive his Cy Young Award!!!!

Go Sox!

Stephen King?

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Beckett was robbed..

[Dan 'Hampton]

Beckett was robbed..

Not really CC was better statistically during the season but ate shit when it mattered.
Beckett won it all and isn't that what really matters?

[Kevin]

Not really CC was better statistically during the season but ate shit when it mattered.
Beckett won it all and isn't that what really matters?

I just think that since making the playoffs is such a big criteria for these awards.. They should make it a whole season award.. including playoffs... And also.. You cant really look at stats when looking at pitchers.. Beckett was money the whole year.. Even when the rest of the staff had their ups and downs, Beckett held it together and was a horse. I hate the guy (not personally) for obvious reasons, but he was by FAR the best pitcher in the sport the whole year.

[Bossanova]

Wow, that was total horseshit. Beckett deserved that award

[ChrisTheCop]

Beckett was robbed..

I just think that since making the playoffs is such a big criteria for these awards.. They should make it a whole season award.. including playoffs... And also.. You cant really look at stats when looking at pitchers.. Beckett was money the whole year.. Even when the rest of the staff had their ups and downs, Beckett held it together and was a horse. I hate the guy (not personally) for obvious reasons, but he was by FAR the best pitcher in the sport the whole year.

Wow, that was total horseshit. Beckett deserved that award

Wow, amen to all of the above. I heard it on my way in to work.
Ridiculous. I realize that other stats are part of it, but the only 20 game winner in mlb, and THE guy on the staff (basically the mvp of pitching anyway). Wow.

I was surprised that Youk, Pedroia and even Ortiz got their awards.
This one was pretty much a lock I thought.

My body mustve been inhabited by the ghost of King Hippo. :king:

[A.J.]

I hope this fires Beckett up to do even better than last year -- like Michael Jordan did when Karl Malone won the MVP that year.

[A.J.]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK?????

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/images/2007/11/13/jrPW6LZH.jpg

[Fallon]

Red Sox Increase Ticket Prices For 2008 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/wcvb/20071114/lo_wcvb/14593794)

Fuckers.

[Fallon]

Sox, A's Open Season in Japan (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3109606)

That's gonna be cool to see Dice K and Okajima pitch there, but sucky the Sox have to start the season so far away.

[A.J.]

Red Sox Increase Ticket Prices For 2008 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/wcvb/20071114/lo_wcvb/14593794)

Fuckers.

All the more reason to tear down Fenway and put up a bigger, more comfortable stadium.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm telling you, after the 100 year anniversary (2012) they'll start the plans on the new stadium

[Kevin]

I'm telling you, after the 100 year anniversary (2012) they'll start the plans on the new stadium

The main problem with Boston is that its such a small town.. There is not many places where you can build huge things like stadiums.. And even if you can build one, its not going to be much bigger than Fenway.. So with that being the case.. You might as well keep Fenway.. Its drawing so much revenue that unless you can build a 50k+ seat stadium with boxes and things, it does not make much fiscal sense to build a new one..

[OGC]

Red Sox Increase Ticket Prices For 2008 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/wcvb/20071114/lo_wcvb/14593794)

Fuckers.


It won't make any impact on the amount of money I spend on Red Sox tickets.

[A.J.]

The main problem with Boston is that its such a small town.. There is not many places where you can build huge things like stadiums.. And even if you can build one, its not going to be much bigger than Fenway.. So with that being the case.. You might as well keep Fenway.. Its drawing so much revenue that unless you can build a 50k+ seat stadium with boxes and things, it does not make much fiscal sense to build a new one..

The plan a couple of years ago was to keep the new stadium on the current site but they would expand across Yawkey Way (behind home plate) and Landsdowne Street (behind the Monster and bleachers).

Here were the plans. (http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/bosbpk.htm)

[Kevin]

The plan a couple of years ago was to keep the new stadium on the current site but they would expand across Yawkey Way (behind home plate) and Landsdowne Street (behind the Monster and bleachers).

Where would they have played while the stadium was being made?

[A.J.]

Where would they have played while the stadium was being made?

I don't know if they would have used BC's or BU's fields. I think that was still TBD.

[Kevin]

I don't know if they would have used BC's or BU's fields. I think that was still TBD.

Makes sense.. They could build 60k and fill it every night.

[underdog]

The main problem with Boston is that its such a small town.. There is not many places where you can build huge things like stadiums.. And even if you can build one, its not going to be much bigger than Fenway.. So with that being the case.. You might as well keep Fenway.. Its drawing so much revenue that unless you can build a 50k+ seat stadium with boxes and things, it does not make much fiscal sense to build a new one..

They had a beautiful place for it right on the waterfront a few years ago, but the "Save Fenway" people stood in the way.

[A.J.]

They had a beautiful place for it right on the waterfront a few years ago, but the "Save Fenway" people stood in the way.

Weren't they talking about putting the new Pats Stadium and/or the new Garden on that site along with it?

And the thing I hated about that new stadium design that I linked above was that it keeps all of Fenway's dimensions and quirks. What's the fucking point of THAT? The Garden was beloved too but that's why they built the new place different and better. Maybe it's sterile compared to the old place but it isn't 300 degrees, full of rats, with cramped seats and obstructed views.

[patsopinion]

a's/sox opening season in japan

it seems to me that this would indicate that the a's would be most likel to pick up that new pitcher thats comming out of japan
i forget his name

[underdog]

Weren't they talking about putting the new Pats Stadium and/or the new Garden on that site along with it?

They had some huge plans, but a lot of people were like "why would anyone go down to the Seaport?" Now its Boston's biggest real estate market.

The Garden was beloved too but that's why they built the new place different and better.

Better?

The Fleet Center / Banknorth Garder was outdated the day they opened it. That is a terrible place.

[A.J.]

Better?

The Fleet Center / Banknorth Garder was outdated the day they opened it. That is a terrible place.

I haven't been there yet but compared to the Garden that place must be state of the art.

[Kevin]

They had some huge plans, but a lot of people were like "why would anyone go down to the Seaport?" Now its Boston's biggest real estate market.



Better?

The Fleet Center / Banknorth Garder was outdated the day they opened it. That is a terrible place.

Kinda like what happened with the Spurs.. They had a new stadium built.. then Hated it, and they had another one built years later.. Sonics are having that same problem now.. These new stadiums are getting so hi tech, that it makes yours look bad.

[underdog]

I haven't been there yet but compared to the Garden that place must be state of the art.

At least the Garden had some sort of soul or life to it. The Fleet Center is just a dirty, soulless place. But they definitely needed to replace the Garden, so it had to be done.

Kinda like what happened with the Spurs.. They had a new stadium built.. then Hated it, and they had another one built years later.. Sonics are having that same problem now.. These new stadiums are getting so hi tech, that it makes yours look bad.

I don't know why people don't just continue to hire the architects who build the great stadiums like Anaheim's stadium and Camden Yards. Or even the Padre's park.

[Kevin]

At least the Garden had some sort of soul or life to it. The Fleet Center is just a dirty, soulless place. But they definitely needed to replace the Garden, so it had to be done.



I don't know why people don't just continue to hire the architects who build the great stadiums like Anaheim's stadium and Camden Yards. Or even the Padre's park.

Yea i think thats who the Yanks are using.. Plus i think most of the soccer teams in Europe use them.. I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

[Fallon]

At least the Garden had some sort of soul or life to it. The Fleet Center is just a dirty, soulless place. But they definitely needed to replace the Garden, so it had to be done.
It was a huge mistake building it right next to the old garden (inches away). It's too fucking narrow, the consessions show that big time. The line can't go eight deep without having to peel off to the sides.

[ChrisTheCop]

while we're on the subject,
Fenway Improvements for 2008 (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071116&content_id=2301777&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[cougarjake13]

while we're on the subject,
Fenway Improvements for 2008 (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071116&content_id=2301777&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

i wish there was some pics of where the additions were going to be put

[Marc with a c]

"In touting their latest improvements, the Red Sox spoke of "more seats, more space, more information, more food and improved circulation."

that's the worst thing about fenway. getting up to piss and getting back to your seat 2 innings later.

im sure the more seats and more people will improve that.

[cougarjake13]

"In touting their latest improvements, the Red Sox spoke of "more seats, more space, more information, more food and improved circulation."

that's the worst thing about fenway. getting up to piss and getting back to your seat 2 innings later.

im sure the more seats and more people will improve that.

maybe they should install i seat portable toilets for peeing only

[Kevin]

Not that it would matter to me, if i were a fan, because you did win a WS with the guy, but, i found this interesting...


Boras' Dice-K windfall falls short
Posted: Monday November 19, 2007 07:18AM ET
Don't get Sam Kennedy wrong, there is little buyer's remorse when it comes to analyzing the acquisition of Daisuke Matsuzaka. The World Series trophy made sure of that. But for Kennedy, the Red Sox' senior vice president of sales and marketing, there was a semblance of disappointment when it came to Matsuzaka's payoff off the field. A year after the pitcher's agent, Scott Boras, told the Sox about all the money that could be made from the marketing of Matsuzaka, expectations have been readjusted. While most estimates have Seattle and the Yankees garnering between $3-6 million annually because of the presence of Japanese outfielders Ichiro Suzuki and Hideki Matsui, respectively, the Red Sox' final tally came up well short. Funai Electronics proved to be the sole sponsorship gained because of Dice-K, netting the Red Sox an annual contract of approximately $900,000

[OGC]

Looks like Mike Lowell is staying. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118926)


:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[cougarjake13]

Looks like Mike Lowell is staying. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118926)


:clap::clap::clap::clap:

i always love it when guys take less to stay somewhere for the good of the team

[ChrisTheCop]

Looks like Mike Lowell is staying. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118926)


:clap::clap::clap::clap:

i always love it when guys take less to stay somewhere for the good of the team

This is the happiest Ive been since hearing we wouldnt have to put up with a-rod !!

Red Sox owners come thru on their promise, and Mikey shows what a true Red Sox player he is; he couldve gone to the yankers for his previously requested 4 years (to play first base)-- but his heart is here! (well...there actually, sigh...but u know what i mean!)

This really was my greatest hope of the off-season... where's that Thanksgiving thread? I gots to make an update!

[Kevin]

This is the happiest Ive been since hearing we wouldnt have to put up with a-rod !!

Red Sox owners come thru on their promise, and Mikey shows what a true Red Sox player he is; he couldve gone to the yankers for his previously requested 4 years (to play first base)-- but his heart is here! (well...there actually, sigh...but u know what i mean!)

This really was my greatest hope of the off-season... where's that Thanksgiving thread? I gots to make an update!

Utter fucking HOGWASH!

A: The Yanks never wanted him.. Because like everyone else knew
B: He is a Fenway player
C: No one esle offerd him anything.. That is why he took the Sox deal If someone gave him 4.. He would be Gone faster than Jacoby..

[cougarjake13]

Utter fucking HOGWASH!

A: The Yanks never wanted him.. Because like everyone else knew
B: He is a Fenway player
C: No one esle offerd him anything.. That is why he took the Sox deal If someone gave him 4.. He would be Gone faster than Jacoby..

the former indians 3rd baseman ???

[ChrisTheCop]

Utter fucking HOGWASH!

A: The Yanks never wanted him.. Because like everyone else knew
B: He is an awful player, especially in the post season
C: No one else offered him anything.. That is why he took the Steinbrenner's deal. If someone could afford him.. He would be Gone.

who could it beeee????

[Kevin]

who could it beeee????

Well played..

And i just saw that Philly offed 4 years 50.. So there goes my argument.. But at least i am fair about it and acknowledge things..

Unlike a certain person who.. board name is the opposite of Cowcatpie...

[ChrisTheCop]

Cowcatpie...



Now I'm starvin.

[Kevin]

HorseDogCake?


ohhhhhhhhhhh, so close!

[Fallon]

Sox going after Santana. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Red-Sox-will-try-to-acquire-Santana?urn=mlb,54735)

Ooooh this would be nice.

[cougarjake13]

Sox going after Santana. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Red-Sox-will-try-to-acquire-Santana?urn=mlb,54735)

Ooooh this would be nice.

id be willing to concede the world series for the next 3-4 years if that deal happens

[ChrisTheCop]

We cant lose Both Crisp AND Ellsbury though.
But yeah, a Santana deal would be pretty sweet.

[BoondockSaint]

We cant lose Both Crisp AND Ellsbury though.
But yeah, a Santana deal would be pretty sweet.

Sure you could. Go sign Rowland. But why would they want 2 centerfielders from you?

[A.J.]

We cant lose Both Crisp AND Ellsbury though.
But yeah, a Santana deal would be pretty sweet.

Coco and Clement is fine with me...but that's it.

And this is probably all part of the effort to drive up his price for the Yanks.

[Fezticle98]

Sure you could. Go sign Rowland. But why would they want 2 centerfielders from you?

Is she a free agent?

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7305/kellyrowland16thannualnmj3.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

"They want me to play what position?"
http://movieimage.hanmail.net/images/peopledb/people_02500/peopledb_2529_L.gif

[A.J.]

"I'm dead."

http://www.nndb.com/people/165/000052009/story.rowland.evans.bw.jpg

[Kevin]

Coco and Clement is fine with me...but that's it.

And this is probably all part of the effort to drive up his price for the Yanks.

Yea.. I think so too.. Your pitching staff is good enough.. With an ace in Beckett, and a most likely improved Dice K, along with Schilling, Lester, And Bucholtz, that you do not need to give up those young good players for Johan.. The Yankees do.. Because they do not have an ace.. We have potential aces on the big 3.. But thats potential... And Wang is a #2 at best.. So is Andy if he comes back.. So yea.. I think this is to drive up the price..

Edit.. Plus winning last year gives you the luxury of waiting a year for the ridiculous 09 FA class.. So why mortgage your future now??

[ChrisTheCop]

as long as we're talking yanks in here (and why is that? oh well)... was mariano really worth the money? he's been faltering the past 2 years. I thought for sure theyd try to hone some of their newbies into closers. i know he's an icon, but he's really not as scary as he used to be.

Papelbon. (this satisfies the requirement in this thread to at least make one sox reference.)

[Kevin]

as long as we're talking yanks in here (and why is that? oh well)... was mariano really worth the money? he's been faltering the past 2 years. I thought for sure theyd try to hone some of their newbies into closers. i know he's an icon, but he's really not as scary as he used to be.

Papelbon. (this satisfies the requirement in this thread to at least make one sox reference.)

You clearly know my opinion to that question, if you read the Yankee thread.. No way he deserved it.. It was ridiculous.. Made more so by the fact that he didn't take that offer before his agents finished saying 15million... Let alone taking 2 weeks, and demanding a 4th year..

[ChrisTheCop]

You clearly know my opinion to that question, if you read the Yankee thread.. No way he deserved it.. It was ridiculous.. Made more so by the fact that he didn't take that offer before his agents finished the saying 15million... Let alone taking 2 weeks, and demanding a 4th year..

I actually expected a different answer. We're on the same page on that topic.
I only go into that thread to wish them luck or congratulate them for a job well done.
Needless to say, I dont go in there that much.

Who in your opinion could be a better closer? I see jaba similar to papelbon, but ive also heard his repertoire compared to that of Beckett.

[Kevin]

I actually expected a different answer. We're on the same page on that topic.
I only go into that thread to wish them luck or congratulate them for a job well done.
Needless to say, I dont go in there that much.

Who in your opinion could be a better closer? I see jaba similar to papelbon, but ive also heard his repertoire compared to that of Beckett.

I think Joba would be a better closer.. Because A his stuff is better.. Not saying Paps isnt.. But Joba is at 97-100 with a filthy slider and decent change.. Where as Paps tops at 96.. 97 maybe 98 if he pumps it.. Plus i think Paps only fault is that he gets a little too pumped and macho.. Kinda like Beckett before this year.. Perfect example on that Arod at bat where Arod hit that HR off him.. He had him 0-2 thought he could blow the fastball by him.. where as he set him up inside.. but decided to go out.. He was too pumped.. Joba is more in control of his emtotions... But your talking about 1 and 1a here.. Paps is a great closer.

[cougarjake13]

papelbon

[ChrisTheCop]

i wasnt asking who's better, papelbon or jaba.

i just meant on the yanks, who would be a better closer to cultivate than mario.
i now can safely assume you think jaba, yes?

ps--papelbon is the shit!

[cougarjake13]

i wasnt asking who's better, papelbon or jaba.

i just meant on the yanks, who would be a better closer to cultivate than mario.
i now can safely assume you think jaba, yes?

ps--papelbon is the shit!

if you're referring to me i was just posting papelbon in honor of you putting just his name to make that post red sox worthy


yes to joba

[ChrisTheCop]

if you're referring to me i was just posting papelbon in honor of you putting just his name to make that post red sox worthy


yes to joba

as we say in the late night threads, "what PapelBon said"

[Kevin]

as we say in the late night threads, "what PapelBon said"

You could def make a case for Paps being the best in the game.. But i just do not think Paps has that 2nd devastating pitch like Joba does.. Paps has very good other pitches.. But nothing as good or better than his fastball like Joba has.. His slider is just unhittable too lbecause you have to look fastball..

[ChrisTheCop]

Kevin, please read 3 posts above.
just sayin.

[Kevin]

i wasnt asking who's better, papelbon or jaba.

i just meant on the yanks, who would be a better closer to cultivate than mario.
i now can safely assume you think jaba, yes?

ps--papelbon is the shit!

Oh.. Totally mis understood..

I do not think Joba will be the closer.. unless one of these 3 things happen

1.. Other Sp come up and show that they are good enough to fill his spot..
2.. We sign another SP or 2 that are ace quality
3.. Joba is a terrible starter.

[cougarjake13]

Oh.. Totally mis understood..

I do not think Joba will be the closer.. unless one of these 3 things happen

1.. Other Sp come up and show that they are good enough to fill his spot..
2.. We sign another SP or 2 that are ace quality
3.. Joba is a terrible starter.

i can see all 3 of those things happening at the same time

[ChrisTheCop]

After refusing all week to include Ellsbury in the trade deal to acquire Santana from the Twins, The Sox have finally caved and included him, but removed Lester from any deal.
Meanwhile, the yanks have offered Melky and Hughes.

As much as Id love to have Santana, to me Ellsbury personifies the future of The Sox.

yanks have said theyll close the door to any deal on monday... but who can believe their tough talk anymore?

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm hoping that the Sox are stringing along the Yankees in this deal by "including" Ellsbury. For us to have Santana would be amazing but not at the cost of Jacoby. We have the pitching. We have the ace. We don't NEED him. But saying that having him as a 1B would be great. I trust Theo.

[A.J.]

Trading your number one prospect (Ellsbury) for a stud pitcher (Santana)? Can you say Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett?

That worked out fine once...ONCE.

[underdog]

Trading your number one prospect (Ellsbury) for a stud pitcher (Santana)? Can you say Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett?

That worked out fine once...ONCE.

I wouldn't change that trade ever, but Hanley Ramirez is a fantastic player. I don't want to lose another in Ellsbury.

[joeyballsack]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=winter_meetings

11:32 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
• Scott Boras has apparently recovered from the sting of losing longtime client Kenny Rogers. According to two sources at the winter meetings, Red Sox outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury has dropped agent Joe Urbon and is now represented by Boras. Diamondbacks pitcher Micah Owings also recently signed on with Boras' group.

Does this make the decision to move Ellsbury easier ? I have been against including him in a trade for Santana but I am beginning to turn on that. Coco is still great in the field and there is already more than enough offense to score runs. The thought of a rotation of Beckett, Santana, Schilling, Matzusaka and whoever they throw in as a fifth starter is like something out of a video game.

I cant wait until baseball season starts back up!

[NickyL0885]

Hey, Sox fans. According to Olney, Sox and Twins close. Deal could be annouced in the morning. Lester, Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson for Santana. Unless the Yanks include Kennedy, its all but done. Now, if only my mets would get Bedard, this be a great offseason for me. Yanks not getting Johan and the mets getting a ACE.

[Dan 'Hampton]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=winter_meetings



Does this make the decision to move Ellsbury easier ? I have been against including him in a trade for Santana but I am beginning to turn on that. Coco is still great in the field and there is already more than enough offense to score runs. The thought of a rotation of Beckett, Santana, Schilling, Matzusaka and whoever they throw in as a fifth starter is like something out of a video game.

I cant wait until baseball season starts back up!

With regards to Ellsbury he's so young, it's going to be a long time before he's going to get a new contract.
Things look close.

[cougarjake13]

Hey, Sox fans. According to Olney, Sox and Twins close. Deal could be annouced in the morning. Lester, Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson for Santana. Unless the Yanks include Kennedy, its all but done. Now, if only my mets would get Bedard, this be a great offseason for me. Yanks not getting Johan and the mets getting a ACE.

id love for the mets to get bedard but who are we gonna give up

[BoondockSaint]

id love for the mets to get bedard but who are we gonna give up


Tom Seaver.

[cougarjake13]

Tom Seaver.

im kinda partial to him

what about jerry koosman

[Bulldogcakes]

Peter Gammons: Boston's minister of propaganda

http://www.nomaas.org/images/gammons_prop.jpg

[Dan 'Hampton]

Bitter much?

[Bulldogcakes]

Gagne May Accept Arbitration (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rob_bradford/index.php/2007/12/06/lobby-blogging-the-gagne-watch/)

According to Rob Bradford of the Boston Herald, Eric Gagne may accept Boston's offer of arbitration. The deadline for that decision occurs tomorrow. Bradford says a surprising number of players might accept tomorrow.

[Bulldogcakes]

Bitter much?

Nah. I should have included the context, which would have made it funnier. I thought the pic alone was funny enough, but here it is

Peter Gammons: Boston's minister of propaganda
http://www.nomaas.org/images/gammons_prop.jpg

Tuesday 3:28 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• The Twins and Red Sox could be getting closer to a Johan Santana deal. Boston has sweetened its offer by adding a fifth player to the trade proposal -- outfield prospect Ryan Kalish, a ninth-round draft pick in 2006 out of Red Bank Catholic High School (Shrewsbury, N.J.). (Source)

Wednesday 1:16 a.m., from Boston Herald
The Red Sox have told Ryan Kalish’s agent that his client’s name hadn’t come up in talks with the Twins as of Tuesday night. (Source)


Now you get it? He had about 5 of those during the Johan negotiations. Not a good week for Peter. He's a great baseball writer, one of the best ever. He just had a bad week.

[A.J.]

Timlin is back for 1 more year. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071207&content_id=2321065&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[Snoogans]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3163105


Nice work, Paps. His dog ate the ball that was the final out of the WS

[A.J.]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3163105


Nice work, Paps. His dog ate the ball that was the final out of the WS

Why does anyone give a damn about the ball? Matters.

[Snoogans]

I agree. I just find this story funny

[ChrisTheCop]

Why does anyone give a damn about one ball.

Just dont tell Mike Lowell.

[Dan 'Hampton]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3163105




Oh that Papelbon!

[cougarjake13]

Oh that Papelbon!

he still has it

he's lying

[A.J.]

Goodbye Matt Clement. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3179942)

[Jujubees2]

Goodbye Matt Clement. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3179942)

We hardly knew ya'

[A.J.]

Mirabelli is back for another year. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080116&content_id=2347512&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[cougarjake13]

Mirabelli is back for another year. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080116&content_id=2347512&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

sweet

[A.J.]

Reliever Javier Lopez coming back for another year (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080118&content_id=2350564&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos).

[A.J.]

Kyle Snyder -- coming back (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080125&content_id=2355847&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos).

[Dan 'Hampton]

Now it's down to Youk. He'll be signed before going to arbitration. I read somewhere that since Theo has been there either no one or only one player have made it that far. After next weekend it'll be a lonely month until pitchers and catchers report.

[A.J.]

And they still need to make a deal with Tito too.

[BoondockSaint]

After next weekend it'll be a lonely month until pitchers and catchers report.


Actually, it's less than 2 weeks.

[cougarjake13]

Actually, it's less than 2 weeks.

yeppers

cant wait to make the rounds to the diff spring training sites

[A.J.]

Sox pick up David Aardsma (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/01/sox_deal_for_pi.html).

[A.J.]

Red Sox taking offers for Crisp
Posted: Wednesday January 30, 2008 07:06AM ET
The Red Sox will listen to offers for Coco Crisp, but wouldn't mind keeping him as a fourth outfielder, playing him in center against lefties and using him to spell Manny Ramirez and J.D. Drew on the corners. The Sox may settle for a lefthanded bat who can play first base, a good bet being 33-year-old Sean Casey. (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb?cnn=yes)

[A.J.]

Sean Casey is coming to The Hub (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080201&content_id=2361652&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos).

[Bulldogcakes]

Red Sox To Let Beckett Walk After 2010 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/02/gammons-red-sox.html)?


In Peter Gammons latest piece, he explores the trickle-down effect that the extension signed by Johan Santana will have on other pitchers. While the article focuses on pitchers closer to free agency (ie. C.C. Sabathia), there was one surprising quote from an unnamed Red Sox official:

We'd better enjoy Josh Beckett the next three years. Because we won't be able to sign him after his deal is up after 2010.

Beckett, who finished second in the Cy Young voting this past season, will be 28 on Opening Day and is scheduled to make $9.5MM this season, $10.5MM next season, and has a $12MM team option for 2010. While Beckett will certainly command top-dollar on the open market, it is hard to imagine he would seek a deal in the same range as Santana or Barry Zito, even with inflation factored in. Both Santana ($137.5MM) and Zito ($126MM) are lefties and signed their deals prior to their age 29 season. Beckett, a righty will be 31 when he begins his next deal. Still it is interesting to note that the Red Sox may have already resigned to the idea of not retaining the services of their ace past 2010.


When they traded for him, I remember there being some questions about his health (shoulder?). They had even considered backing out of the deal at the last minute after a physical. Might have something to do with this. If thats true, they'll just wind up getting his best years out him, like they did with Pedro. Many power pitchers (not named Roger) best years are behind them at 31 anyway.

[cougarjake13]

When they traded for him, I remember there being some questions about his health (shoulder?). They had even considered backing out of the deal at the last minute after a physical. Might have something to do with this. If thats true, they'll just wind up getting his best years out him, like they did with Pedro. Many power pitchers (not named Roger) best years are behind them at 31 anyway.

i think with the world series win last october he's proven more than worthy of that trade so if they only get 3 more yrs its still has to be seen as a good move to get him

[A.J.]

Bobby Kielty staying one more year (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/02/06/sox_re_sign_kielty_to_one_year_deal/).

[DOHO@HOME]

I can't say how much I'm living for Red Sox baseball to start up:clap:
I'm so ready for this season to take shape and hope the players are as ready as I am to put the Nation back on top.:thumbup:

[Dan 'Hampton]

Saturday is TRUCK DAY!

[Jujubees2]

Rudy celebrates with Red Sox on 2008 Topps card!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/02/07/giuliani_celebrates_with_red_sox_in_topps_spoof/

[BoondockSaint]

Roughly a week before pitchers and catchers are due to report to spring training, the Herald has learned today that right-hander Curt Schilling has a significant shoulder injury that could end the veteran right-hander’s season and is causing tension and friction between the player and club. (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/red_sox/index.php/2008/02/07/schilling-issue-serious/)

[Bulldogcakes]

Roughly a week before pitchers and catchers are due to report to spring training, the Herald has learned today that right-hander Curt Schilling has a significant shoulder injury that could end the veteran right-hander’s season and is causing tension and friction between the player and club. (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/red_sox/index.php/2008/02/07/schilling-issue-serious/)

They're looking to void his deal, and they have every right to. He just got a complete physical when he signed the deal, and now this happens. If Curt wants to sue, they can just show the 'before' MRI of his shoulder and the 'after' MRI and you have a slam dunk case for the Sox. It's obvious this happened sometime after the contract was signed. Curt knows how it happened, he's just trying to screw the Sox out of their money.

There's plenty of precedent for this. The Yanks voided Aaron Boone's deal when he tore up his knee playing a pickup game of basketball in the off season.

[Kevin]

They're looking to void his deal, and they have every right to. He just got a complete physical when he signed the deal, and now this happens. If Curt wants to sue, they can just show the 'before' MRI of his shoulder and the 'after' MRI and you have a slam dunk case for the Sox. It's obvious this happened sometime after the contract was signed. Curt knows how it happened, he's just trying to screw the Sox out of their money.

There's plenty of precedent for this. The Yanks voided Aaron Boone's deal when he tore up his knee playing a pickup game of basketball in the off season.

Well that all depends on how he hurt it.. If it was an accident, then i do not think they can void.. If it is something that he should not have been doing and it was in his contract, then yea they can.. Boone was voided because like most players he had a no playing other sports claus in his deal.. He got hurt playing basketball..

[Bulldogcakes]

Well that all depends on how he hurt it.. If it was an accident, then i do not think they can void.. If it is something that he should not have been doing and it was in his contract, then yea they can.. Boone was voided because like most players he had a no playing other sports claus in his deal.. He got hurt playing basketball..

Exactly, it depends on what the contract says. But most deals have some clauses about injuries happening on all sorts of 'non-sports related' stuff from what I understand. They often leave the language pretty vague so if anything happens off the field, they're covered.

Schilling isn't coming clean about how this happened anyway. But however it did happen, the one thing we do know it wasn't on the job.

BTW-If you're referring to the Mets not voiding Sanchez contract after the late night car accident, they might have had cause to void the deal, but I think in that case they just didn't want to cut ties with him. He's talented and still very cheap (850K).

[Snoogans]

I hope it ends up being some fucked up thing like his wife caught him jerkin off and he banged his arm tryin to hide it real quick. And thats why he wont say anything

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'll be looking forward to seeing some Justin Masterson before the All-Star break now.
Anything the could be out of Shill would just be icing on the cake this year. If he doesn't play so be it. I don't think he's the kinda guy who is going to screw them out of 8 mil if he isn't able to play.

[Bulldogcakes]

MLBTR (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/02/schilling-has-s.html)

6:51pm: Schilling has opted for rehab rather than surgery, as decided by a third party doctor. Boston's doctor advised rehab, while one of Schilling's advised surgery. It's a partial rotator cuff tear, and it'll keep Schilling out until at least the All-Star break.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'll be looking forward to seeing some Justin Masterson before the All-Star break now.
Anything the could be out of Shill would just be icing on the cake this year. If he doesn't play so be it. I don't think he's the kinda guy who is going to screw them out of 8 mil if he isn't able to play.

Masterson's more likely to be a reliever than starter at this point. (http://www.soxprospects.com/players/masterson-justin.htm)

Converted to a starter in 2007 after coming out of the pen for Lowell in 2006, may still project as a reliever at this point depending on how well his change-up progresses. Needs to work on keeping his delivery consistent deep into games. Ultimately, Masterson's ceiling is a #2 starter or a dominant set-up man.

[A.J.]

From Schill's blog "38 pitches":

My shoulder (http://38pitches.com/2008/02/07/my-shoulder/)
Feb 7th, 2008 by Curt Schilling

Speculation is rampant right now. I see the Sox just released a statement.

At the time we negotiated the 2008 contract I passed all physical exams and testing, as well as the MRI the club required me to take. I knew in my heart of hearts that the extra time I was giving my arm to rest this winter would in fact be the cure for what I went through the entire 2007 season. I had a strong desire to not have to go through multiple cortisone injections in my shoulder for another year. There was absolutely no reason for anyone involved to believe I would be anything other than completely healthy and ready for the 2008 baseball season.

Things have changed since then and I contacted the team early last month with concerns and we’ve been working diligently to resolve them.

There have been disagreements these past few weeks in an effort to provide me with a solution that would allow me to pitch as much as possible during the 2008 season. At no time did I ever consider taking a course of action against the clubs wishes. In the end, regardless of who agreed with whom, I have chosen the clubs course of action and will vigorously pursue any and every option I can to be able to help this team to another World Series title in 2008.

Please understand that a lot of what has been reported is not true. When the club feels it’s appropriate to further discuss the details of this issue publicly I will elaborate but I need to make it clear that Dr Morgan did NOT diagnose me with a tear of the rotator cuff at any time during this process, nor did he recommend rotator cuff surgery.

Dr Craig Morgan is inarguably one of the most highly respected shoulder experts in the world. I’m here because 13 years ago he was the only person on the planet to actually get what was wrong with me and correctly diagnose, and then treat me. He’s been on the cutting edge of treating throwing shoulders for over a decade. Much of the stuff that’s now seen as cutting edge treatment and therapy he was doing 10 years ago. I trusted him with my career then, and always will.

After being diagnosed by the Red Sox medical staff I sought a second opinion, as anyone would, and when it became clear there was disagreement (which is not uncommon by the way), I agreed to see an independent Doctor from a list the Red Sox provided me, for the third opinion.

At this time I have agreed to abide with the clubs wishes in hopes that will provide the results they believe it will.

Even if he's out for half of the year or for the entire year, I hope he'll still be a clubhouse/dugout presence to mentor the young guys like Lester and Bucholz.

[drjoek]

Exactly, it depends on what the contract says. But most deals have some clauses about injuries happening on all sorts of 'non-sports related' stuff from what I understand. They often leave the language pretty vague so if anything happens off the field, they're covered.
Schilling isn't coming clean about how this happened anyway. But however it did happen, the one thing we do know it wasn't on the job.

BTW-If you're referring to the Mets not voiding Sanchez contract after the late night car accident, they might have had cause to void the deal, but I think in that case they just didn't want to cut ties with him. He's talented and still very cheap (850K).

Any injury to Shilling would have to be non sports related That fat fuck.Does he do anything in the off season except eat and shoot his mouth off when not asked of his opinion? Maybe he slipped and fell on a bag of fritoes he couldn't see on the floor trying to look over his gut.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Shilling is the one "athlete" and I use that term loosely that when I hear he's injured that I actually say GOOD. He is a total prick and he can't be enough pain for me. FUCK HIM and his shoulder

[OGC]

Any injury to Shilling would have to be non sports related That fat fuck.Does he do anything in the off season except eat and shoot his mouth off when not asked of his opinion? Maybe he slipped and fell on a bag of fritoes he couldn't see on the floor trying to look over his gut.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Shilling is the one "athlete" and I use that term loosely that when I hear he's injured that I actually say GOOD. He is a total prick and he can't be enough pain for me. FUCK HIM and his shoulder


:laugh:But how do you really feel about him ? You must be holding something back. :laugh:

[drjoek]

:laugh:But how do you really feel about him ? You must be holding something back. :laugh:

You want more? Oh I got more!
:lol:

[Bulldogcakes]

From Schill's blog "38 pitches":
Even if he's out for half of the year or for the entire year, I hope he'll still be a clubhouse/dugout presence to mentor the young guys like Lester and Bucholz.

You'd hope so. At least then the Bosox would get something out of the 8 mil they just spent on him. I've always been impressed by the notes he keeps during the game and he's said to have all of it filed away on a laptop or something. Information like that is worth its weight in gold and he clearly knows the value of it. If he can get any of the young guys to appreciate that, he's earned his money.

BTW-Despite his denials, it was reported today all over that he has a partial tear of the rotator cuff. If its the rotator cuff, his career is over (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/02/schills_doc_tal.html).

[cougarjake13]

Any injury to Shilling would have to be non sports related That fat fuck.Does he do anything in the off season except eat and shoot his mouth off when not asked of his opinion? Maybe he slipped and fell on a bag of fritoes he couldn't see on the floor trying to look over his gut.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Shilling is the one "athlete" and I use that term loosely that when I hear he's injured that I actually say GOOD. He is a total prick and he can't be enough pain for me. FUCK HIM and his shoulder



he laughs at you as he looks at his 3 world series rings

[cougarjake13]

You'd hope so. At least then the Bosox would get something out of the 8 mil they just spent on him. I've always been impressed by the notes he keeps during the game and he's said to have all of it filed away on a laptop or something. Information like that is worth its weight in gold and he clearly knows the value of it. If he can get any of the young guys to appreciate that, he's earned his money.

BTW-Despite his denials, it was reported today all over that he has a partial tear of the rotator cuff. If its the rotator cuff, his career is over (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/02/schills_doc_tal.html).



in the end all that will matter is if he gets back in time to get a lil rehab in before the playoffs and pitch in the playoffs if they make it

[Bulldogcakes]

in the end all that will matter is if he gets back in time to get a lil rehab in before the playoffs and pitch in the playoffs if they make it

I know there are different opinions from the doctors involved here, but even if the rehab works you wonder how effective he'll be. It sounds like even with the rehab route he'll be getting regular cortisone shots and there's no guarentees it will work. It could just be a waste of time. Plus he's a power pitcher who's 42 to begin with.

Most pitchers are never the same after shoulder injuries/surgery. Pedro is a shadow of what he used to be. Rememeber how good Wade Miller was in 2001/2002? He hurt his shoulder, never got surgery and was never the same. At Curt's age he really can't afford to lose a few MPH off the fastball. The Sox are just in a bind here. Surgery will finish him for the season (and likely his career) rehab is a crapshoot.

Red Sox will just have to have both rookies (Bucholtz/Lester) in the rotation and hope no one else gets hurt.

[A.J.]

Red Sox will just have to have both rookies (Bucholtz/Lester) in the rotation and hope no one else gets hurt.

If someone goes down, and it will most likely be Wake, they can still use Tavarez or Snyder as a 5th starter if need be.

[Bulldogcakes]

If someone goes down, and it will most likely be Wake, they can still use Tavarez or Snyder as a 5th starter if need be.

I guess, but Bucholtz seems like a better option than any of those 3. Unless they want to keep his innings down since he's a rookie. But even then, I'd still rather have Bucholtz give me 5 than any of them give me 6-7. I'd also leave Snyder right where he is. You guys got alot out of him last year and looking at his career stats, I wouldn't mess with it.

I guess the Sox rotation right now is
Beckett
Dice-K
Lester
Wakefield
Tavarez

Schilling's a big loss.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Schilling's a big loss.

I really don't see how he's that big of a loss. It sucks he won't be there yes but I'm definatly confident in the pitching that we have that we can fill in for him. He hasn't been the same since stitching his leg back together in 04 and yet he gutted out 2 world championships for us. If he does/did pitch for us this year it would be an extended farewell tour for a great Red Sox.

[Fallon]

At least the Sox are going into the season with an injured Schilling instead of waiting for him to get hurt and have to scramble.

[OGC]

I have to agree that I don't know why everyone is so worried about Schilling being injured. Sure it would be nice to have him, but for the last couple of years he hadn't exactly been a top of the rotation starter. There have been flashes here and there, but most 4th or 5th starters will shine once in a while.

We have heard about the pitching that the Red Sox have been developing, it is time to see it in action. Like Fallon said, at least this time we are going into spring training knowing that we can't count on Schilling.

Just like Fez, Theo has his Coco, but unlike Fez, Theo may be looking to get rid of his and he should be able to get at least a 5th starter, who can alternate with Bucholtz to keep his inning count down.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Back for Seconds (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/02/10/back_for_seconds/)

Very good article on the reigning ROY Dustin Pedroia. He's younger than me and says "Dude" a ton. Gotta love this guy. Can't the season start any sooner.

Quick question. Fans of other teams want to come on here and bash Shilling for not being able to pitch this season or for exteneded periods over the last three seasons. After what he's done do any of you agree that he should have his fat ass/sutured ankle/43 year old shredded shoulder ready for no other reason than that he's making money this year. Iv'e been saying this since Nov 1 '04 that anything he did for us beyond that postseason is cake. And Joba is a much fatter slob.

[Bulldogcakes]

Quick question. Fans of other teams want to come on here and bash Shilling for not being able to pitch this season or for exteneded periods over the last three seasons. After what he's done do any of you agree that he should have his fat ass/sutured ankle/43 year old shredded shoulder ready for no other reason than that he's making money this year. Iv'e been saying this since Nov 1 '04 that anything he did for us beyond that postseason is cake. And Joba is a much fatter slob.



Schilling's a big loss.

You consider that to be bashing? You're way too sensitive.

As I said before, if Bucholtz is in the rotation I don't think its a problem, it could even be an upgrade. But the Sox seem pretty committed to keeping him in AAA this year. Now that Schilling is out, maybe that will change. And I've yet to see any Sox fans be overly concerned about this, so maybe you guys have more faith in Lester, Wake and Tavarez than I do. Or coming off a WS you just don't care.

[cougarjake13]

You consider that to be bashing? You're way too sensitive.

As I said before, if Bucholtz is in the rotation I don't think its a problem, it could even be an upgrade. But the Sox seem pretty committed to keeping him in AAA this year. Now that Schilling is out, maybe that will change. And I've yet to see any Sox fans be overly concerned about this, so maybe you guys have more faith in Lester, Wake and Tavarez than I do. Or coming off a WS you just don't care.

I THINK THAT LAST SENTENCE RIGHT THERE SAYS IT ALL

[A.J.]

At least the Sox are going into the season with an injured Schilling instead of waiting for him to get hurt and have to scramble.

I have to agree that I don't know why everyone is so worried about Schilling being injured. Sure it would be nice to have him, but for the last couple of years he hadn't exactly been a top of the rotation starter. There have been flashes here and there, but most 4th or 5th starters will shine once in a while.

We have heard about the pitching that the Red Sox have been developing, it is time to see it in action. Like Fallon said, at least this time we are going into spring training knowing that we can't count on Schilling.

Exactly. I think given what's happened over the last couple of years they anticipated Schill maybe being solid for half a season -- preferably the latter half and postseason. Is it a loss? Yes but they did all right without him most of this past year.

Of course, they still had Kason Gabbard to help out. :furious:

[OGC]

Quick question.... After what he's done do any of you agree that he should have his fat ass/sutured ankle/43 year old shredded shoulder ready for no other reason than that he's making money this year.....

If Schilling doesn't throw another pitch in the major league for the Red Sox because of whatever injury he now has. I would be shocked if he accepts the complete $8 million (I think that's what it is) from the contact he signed last fall. Despite what the bashers are saying about him, I think he is a stand up guy.

[A.J.]

Youk inks a 1-year $3 million deal (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080210&content_id=2370107&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos).

[Jujubees2]

Youk inks a 1-year $3 million deal (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080210&content_id=2370107&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos).

Well deserved!

[cougarjake13]

nice signing

[Bulldogcakes]

Bosox give Tito a 3 year extension (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3262241)

[Dan 'Hampton]

Bosox give Tito a 3 year extension (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3262241)

Well deserved.

[A.J.]

He's earned it.

[Kevin]

He's earned it.

Very much so.. Has the amount been said yet? He was been ridiculously under payed

[Fallon]

Very much so.. Has the amount been said yet? He was been ridiculously under payed

"The deal will keep the skipper with the team through the 2011 season, and is expected to place Francona among the highest-paid managers in the game, which would place him in the $3 million to $4 million range."

[damainer]

I am extremely excited about our prospects with Pedroia and Ellsbury. Pedroia won al mvp last year and is an unbelievable second baseman and Ellsbury is lighting in centerfield. Get rid of Coco and Schilling is at the end of his rope

[Kevin]

I am extremely excited about our prospects with Pedroia and Ellsbury. Pedroia won al mvp last year and is an unbelievable second baseman and Ellsbury is lighting in centerfield. Get rid of Coco and Schilling is at the end of his rope

Really? where was i when this happend??

[Fallon]

Really? where was i when this happend??

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8845/albaniazf1.jpg

[damainer]

Really? where was i when this happend??

rookie of the year. oops

[Kevin]

rookie of the year. oops

Ohhhhhh....


And Fallon is an ass.

[spadanko]

Sawx sign colon

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3262747

[A.J.]

"I don't know, I'm not a pitching coach." -- Sox left fielder Manny Ramirez, when asked how his close friend and former teammate Bartolo Colon might help the Red Sox . (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080225&content_id=2389193&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[cougarjake13]

Sawx sign colon

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3262747

could be a nice lil stop gap til schilling comes back

[Bulldogcakes]

Boston owner grants Yanks' Steinbrenner membership in Red Sox Nation (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3273421)

After new Yankees boss Hank Steinbrenner lambasted the notion of Red Sox Nation, Boston principal owner John Henry has offered an olive branch to his American League East rival.

Henry has decided to make Steinbrenner the newest member of Red Sox Nation complete with membership card and certain perks that only members can obtain, according to the Boston Herald.

"I'm a big Hank fan," Henry wrote in an email to the newspaper. "Just to ensure he knows how cool Red Sox Nation is, [Saturday] we officially inducted him as a member of Red Sox Nation and we are sending him his membership card giving him access to an array of options including our newsletter, bumper stickers, pins, Green Monster seats and a hat personally autographed by David Ortiz."



Hahahahahaah! Touche!

Well played, Mr Henry.

[Fallon]

Ha! what a prick.

[cougarjake13]

would love to see what he does in response

[Kevin]

Wakefield's personal catcher Mirabelli released (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3291367)


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- The Boston Red Sox have released catcher Doug Mirabelli.

He was placed on unconditional waivers Thursday despite his ability to handle the knuckleball that had made him Tim Wakefield's personal catcher for several years

Didn't the Sox give up what was thought to be quite alot when they got him back a couple years ago? Including a pretty good prospect. Anyone know who that was and how he turned out? I remember even Theo saying if he could have a do over in that deal, he would take it back.

[MM2]

Wakefield's personal catcher Mirabelli released

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3291367

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- The Boston Red Sox have released catcher Doug Mirabelli.

He was placed on unconditional waivers Thursday despite his ability to handle the knuckleball that had made him Tim Wakefield's personal catcher for several years

Didn't the Sox give up what was thought to be quite alot when they got him back a couple years ago? Including a pretty good prospect. Anyone know who that was and how he turned out? I remember even Theo saying if he could have a do over in that deal, he would take it back.


I think it was Josh Bard. He's ok.

Oh yeah, Cla Meredith too. He's a pretty good RP.

[A.J.]

Mirabelli is back for another year. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080116&content_id=2347512&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Wakefield's personal catcher Mirabelli released

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3291367

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- The Boston Red Sox have released catcher Doug Mirabelli.

He was placed on unconditional waivers Thursday despite his ability to handle the knuckleball that had made him Tim Wakefield's personal catcher for several years

Didn't the Sox give up what was thought to be quite alot when they got him back a couple years ago? Including a pretty good prospect. Anyone know who that was and how he turned out? I remember even Theo saying if he could have a do over in that deal, he would take it back.

I don't understand. They just resigned him for another year back in January.

The trade to get him back from San Diego was for catcher Josh Bard who they got from Cleveland in the Coco Crisp deal.

[Kevin]

I think it was Josh Bard. He's ok.

Yea, but there was another prospect. Cla Meredith.. He seemed to have a pretty decent year with the Pads.. 5-6 350 era.. Still young at 24.

But you guys won a title with him on the team, so...

Edit Didn't catch your edit on Meredith. His numbers are a bit wierd..
He gave up 94 hits in 79 ins, including 17 walks. thats 111 base runners in 79 ins.. That is alot. Petco is a huge park, so that ERA could be misleading.

[MM2]

Yea, but there was another prospect. Cla Meredith.. He seemed to have a pretty decent year with the Pads.. 5-6 350 era.. Still young at 24.

But you guys won a title with him on the team, so...

Edit Didn't catch your edit on Meredith. His numbers are a bit wierd..
He gave up 94 hits in 79 ins, including 17 walks. thats 111 base runners in 79 ins.. That is alot. Petco is a huge park, so that ERA could be misleading.

Yeah, I think he had an era under 2 two years ago. Petco is definitely a huge park, hides alot of their pitchers warts. Chris Young is good, doesn't have great stuff, but pitches like an ace in that park.

[ChrisTheCop]

18 hours on a plane to Japan.

Third baseman Mike Lowell says he 's got 3 ipods loaded up,
and theyve put together a poker tourney...

I hope they brought whores.

[Fallon]

18 hours on a plane to Japan.

Third baseman Mike Lowell says he 's got 3 ipods loaded up,
and theyve put together a poker tourney...

I hope they brought whores.

Ahhh, now I know why they wanted the coaches to get the traveling bonus.

[ChrisTheCop]

Ahhh, now I know why they wanted the coaches to get the traveling bonus.

Thats pretty funny...and possibly true.

Last I heard on that subject was that MLB agreed to pay the coaches 20k, and the red sox said theyd make up the difference.

Starting the season as always; with class.

[sailor]

Thats pretty funny...and possibly true.

Last I heard on that subject was that MLB agreed to pay the coaches 20k, and the red sox said theyd make up the difference.

Starting the season as always; with class.

by backing down on what they'd agreed to and holding the league hostage? hmm.

[ChrisTheCop]

by backing down on what they'd agreed to and holding the league hostage? hmm.

who backed down? you need to listen to espn a lil better.

MLB backed down on what was previously agreed (that the staff would get paid for the trip), and reneged in the last hours. The A's said they would protest as well, but the Sox are the only ones who did... standing up for the much lesser paid, as Lowell said, "guys who take care of us".

The Red Sox held out until it was agreed, by mlb and the red sox organization, that the coaches and other staff would indeed get paid the same bonus as the players.

I really think most baseball fans were in favor of this action, even though we had to wait a whole one hour to see a spring training game.

[sailor]

who backed down? you need to listen to espn a lil better.

MLB backed down on what was previously agreed (that the staff would get paid for the trip), and reneged in the last hours. The A's said they would protest as well, but the Sox are the only ones who did... standing up for the much lesser paid, as Lowell said, "guys who take care of us".

The Red Sox held out until it was agreed, by mlb and the red sox organization, that the coaches and other staff would indeed get paid the same bonus as the players.

I really think most baseball fans were in favor of this action, even though we had to wait a whole one hour to see a spring training game.

yes, that's the story as told by the sox. i agree with that. and from the latest articles i've read the coaches are still only getting half what the players are (from the league).

[ChrisTheCop]

yes, that's the story as told by the sox. i agree with that. and from the latest articles i've read the coaches are still only getting half what the players are (from the league).

Yes. The league is only paying the staff 20k, indeed half of what the players are getting.

However, part of the deal was that the Red sox organization would make up the difference, so that the staff would get the full 40k.

The players took a stand, and got results. Had they just laid down, or not taken any interest, the coaches would be traveling for free.

If this doesnt show class to you, I dont know what will.

Go watch a Yankee game--lotsa class on that field!

[sailor]

Yes. The league is only paying the staff 20k, indeed half of what the players are getting.

However, part of the deal was that the Red sox organization would make up the difference, so that the staff would get the full 40k.

The players took a stand, and got results. Had they just laid down, or not taken any interest, the coaches would be traveling for free.

If this doesnt show class to you, I dont know what will.

Go watch a Yankee game--lotsa class on that field!

all i'm saying is the players said the league reneged and the league said they didn't. and paying the staff the rest of the 20k is done by the team and not part of the deal with the league (you may note i pointed out they were only getting half "from the league") so you were factually incorrect on that point.

yes, they took a stand. they stood to hold the league hostage. and it worked. bravo.

also, the league paid the staffs for the past japanese series, so i don't think they would suddenly renege at the last minute. if they had agreed to this (as they had in the past) why would the players not hold out for the full 40k, especially if both teams were on the same side?

[ChrisTheCop]

Thats pretty funny...and possibly true.

Last I heard on that subject was that MLB agreed to pay the coaches 20k, and the red sox said theyd make up the difference.

Starting the season as always; with class.

all i'm saying is the players said the league reneged and the league said they didn't. and paying the staff the rest of the 20k is done by the team and not part of the deal with the league (you may note i pointed out they were only getting half "from the league") so you were factually incorrect on that point.



I fail to see where we ever disagreed on how the payment would be divided, since my first post... how am I factually incorrect on something we agree on??

Also--their point was to make sure the coaches were paid the same amount as the players.
That was achieved, Play Ball!!!



Addendum, from espn.com:

In an extraordinary move, Boston players voted to boycott a nationally televised exhibition and Wednesday afternoon's flight to Japan for next week's season-opening series against Oakland, upset that coaches weren't going to receive the same $40,000 payments negotiated for players by their union.

A couple of hours later, all was resolved, and the Red Sox took the field one hour late for a 4-3 loss to Toronto before a crowd of 7,868.

Across the country in Phoenix, Athletics players also considered a boycott. They didn't take batting practice and held five team meetings before following Boston's lead and deciding to play. An Oakland split squad lost 6-1 to the Los Angeles Angels in front of 7,940 fans before leaving for Tokyo.

"The players just stepped up and they did what I think was right," Boston bench coach Brad Mills said.

Major League Baseball agreed to pay the managers, coaches and trainers on the trip $20,000 each from management's proceeds, a person familiar with the agreement said, speaking on condition of anonymity because details weren't announced. The Red Sox agreed to make up the difference to make the amount equal, and to pay some of the other team personnel making the trip, the person said.

"It was a misunderstanding of what agreement was reached between MLB and the MLBPA," Red Sox president Larry Lucchino said. "We said we would step up and make sure a second pool was created and would seek contributions from all parties."

It was unclear whether Oakland would make additional payments to its staff.

[sailor]

I fail to see where we ever disagreed on how the payment would be divided, since my first post... how am I factually incorrect on something we agree on??

Also--their point was to make sure the coaches were paid the same amount as the players.
That was achieved, Play Ball!!!

eh, it was more this line from your next post "The Red Sox held out until it was agreed, by mlb and the red sox organization, that the coaches and other staff would indeed get paid the same bonus as the players." the league agreed to no such thing. you may have been including the sox side deal with their coaches, but it seemed like you meant the league was paying them the full 40k.

[ChrisTheCop]

All I ask, if youre gonna reply curtly to my posts, that you read them and try to understand them. It's obvious that's not what I meant; although I can see that if that ONE sentence was ALL I posted, it would be misleading... but together with the many other sentences I formed on the subject, both before and after that ONE sentence, it was perfectly clear how the coaches and staff would be paid.

The FACT remains, that had the Red Sox players not stepped up, the outcome wouldve been dramatically different, and they exhibited much class in their efforts to support the "common" man. No amount of other team's fans visiting this thread will convince me otherwise.

[Fallon]

Just a couple more hours until gametime!!!

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/BDD_DM_samurai_SN_3.25.08.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

Base hit, Pedroia!!!! Happy Spring everybudday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has begun.

[jonyrotn]

Fucken ellis

[jonyrotn]

Just a couple more hours until gametime!!!

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/BDD_DM_samurai_SN_3.25.08.jpg
Thats a pretty cool pic bro..Did you make that

[joeyballsack]

Same Dice K as last year. Awful for the first two innings then lights out for 4.

Same run support as last year for him too.

[jonyrotn]

Manny!!! Manny!!! Manny!!! I love that fuckin" moron..Go Sox.

[BoondockSaint]

Manny is on pace for 486 rbi's this year.

[A.J.]

Same Dice K as last year. Awful for the first two innings then lights out for 4.

Same run support as last year for him too.

Let's just hope this is Opening Day jitters. But man, he looked shitty in the 1st.

[ChrisTheCop]

Let's just hope this is Opening Day jitters. But man, he looked shitty in the 1st.

Thats the winning pitcher youre talking about!

And how about Moss?! Not bad for a last minute replacement.

Who loves the Sox??!!

[joeyballsack]

Its nice to see Drew is trying to shed that "injury prone" label.

[A.J.]

Goddammit Snydes! :furious:

[SPeeDy_Freak]

Keep hope alive... Foulke is on the mound for Oakland and Snyder is done for the day.

[joeyballsack]

First game and you already jinxed Dice K Chris.

[joeyballsack]

Moss !

I wonder is Drews back is feeling better.

[ChrisTheCop]

Mossssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!



Brandon? How can you have the last name Moss and not name your kid Pete?

[jonyrotn]

Moss !

I wonder is Drews back is feeling better.
Who cares...We love Moss...

[A.J.]

Damn ESPN.com Game Cast -- be more real-time!

MOSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChrisTheCop]

Sounds like they love Okey more than Dice K.

Dice didnt have his own song that I heard.

[jonyrotn]

Let's see which Okajima we get this year..

[joeyballsack]

On the Boston feed they said Dice K had a six minute video on the Jumbotron before the game started.

[ChrisTheCop]

Extree innings!
This was definitely worth waking up for.

What a long ass winter this was... I'm so glad baseball's back.

[A.J.]

What a long ass winter this was... I'm so glad baseball's back.

QFMFT.

Come on Okie Dokie!!

[ChrisTheCop]

wooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Manny doubles with 2 men on, now 6-4, sox.)

[joeyballsack]

Manny is on pace for 486 rbi's this year.

* 4

[jonyrotn]

Manny!!! Manny!!! Manny!!! I love that fuckin" moron..Go Sox.
I mean this even more now..NOOOOO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NOOOOOOOO..

[A.J.]

Manny.

Being.

MANNY!!!

Come on Paps!

[A.J.]

The A's bullpen looks familiar: Embree, Foulke, DiNardo....

[jonyrotn]

Yuk saved Pap's wagon with that cut off play..

[joeyballsack]

1st place AL East!

[jonyrotn]

REDSOX WIN...162-0 Here we come baby..

[Kris10]

REDSOX WIN...162-0 Here we come baby..

:banning:

[jonyrotn]

Now what Do I do all day..Any games in Australia..

[joeyballsack]

Emile Brown shouldn't worry too much. I bet only a few hundred people watched the game.

[A.J.]

Whew.

[ChrisTheCop]

Now what Do I do all day..Any games in Australia..

My plan was to go back to bed, but it was such a good, exciting game... I'm too pumped.

I'm staying up for Ron and Fez!!!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Good win. No one except maybe Manny and Oki of the regulars had good games and they still won. I'll believe it's opening day when they're back in the states but anything we get now is just icing.

[ChrisTheCop]

Good win. No one except maybe Manny and Oki of the regulars had good games and they still won. I'll believe it's opening day when they're back in the states but anything we get now is just icing.

yeah, these games mean nothing...wait--what?

[Dan 'Hampton]

If they make it back from Japan with no injuries and little jet lag it'll be great. Great to watch them this morning but give me back the 7:05 start.

[Kevin]

Good win. No one except maybe Manny and Oki of the regulars had good games and they still won. I'll believe it's opening day when they're back in the states but anything we get now is just icing.

yeah, these games mean nothing...wait--what?

Message from Bulldogcakes: The season does not officially start until the YANKEES OPEN IT!!!

[A.J.]

Message from Bulldogcakes: The season does not officially start until the YANKEES OPEN IT!!!

Bulldogcakes....or Hank Steinbrenner? :tongue:

[Kevin]

Bulldogcakes....or Hank Steinbrenner? :tongue:

Can you tell the difference?

[ChrisTheCop]

Bulldogcakes....or Hank Steinbrenner? :tongue:

one's welcome in this thread, the other's welcome in red sox nation,
whenever they wanna feel like winners again.

[Kevin]

one's welcome in this thread, the other's welcome in red sox nation,
whenever they wanna feel like winners again.

Speakin of feeling like winners.. I have a nice Eli Manning Jersey for you Chris.. COME TO THE WINNING SIDE!!


On a serious note.. You guys worried that Dice is still not showing the control he should have to be a #1 #2, or do you guys just chalk it up to it being early plus the whole trip and circumstances?

[A.J.]

On a serious note.. You guys worried that Dice is still not showing the control he should have to be a #1 #2, or do you guys just chalk it up to it being early plus the whole trip and circumstances?

"Yes."

It's probably only because of the pressure of Opening Day and because he's such star over in Japan (the pressure to perform flawlessly).

I think he'll have a better year this year.

[Kevin]

"Yes."

It's probably only because of the pressure of Opening Day and because he's such star over in Japan (the pressure to perform flawlessly).

I think he'll have a better year this year.

Yea, i would think so too. It usually takes a year or so to really get accustomed. His stuff is great, if he can control it, he should have a great year.

[Fallon]

Thats a pretty cool pic bro..Did you make that

Nah, found it on BostonDirtDogs.com

[Fallon]

Stupid asshole fans went nuts everytime there was a flyball hit. Had to keep turning around fast from my computer to see if it was a homer.

[Kevin]

Stupid asshole fans went nuts everytime there was a flyball hit. Had to keep turning around fast from my computer to see if it was a homer.

crack! quick Bobby, LOOK!!