2009 Season - Defending WS Champion Philadelphia Phillies Thread [Archive] - Page 9

10-20-2008, 02:02 PM

Bottom line is the Phillies front office knows their shit.
.

as much as I hate saying it, they did a great job-
not only because they were players who were "taken off of the scrap heap" but because they realized this isn't fantasy baseball- character and knowing how the players fit in mean an awful lot in baseball. Compare the 1996 Yankees to these Phillies; it's not about the Stars, its about the other players.

Having said that, I'll still have to root for the Rays.

StPeteSaint

10-20-2008, 02:03 PM

Well, I gotta give you credit. That's longer then 99% of the douches in the stadium Sunday night.

I heard today something dumb. XM had a guy on talking up the "noise factor" in Tropicana Stadium. I had to laugh.

It was loud last night, but these Rays have never heard crowd noise like Phillies Phans can generate. And to those who say it was because of the way Veteran's Stadium was built, come on down to the Bank and hear how deafening it can be. We've drowned out the microphones of the broadcasters, and being an open, non-roofed field, that's impressive.

Well, at the end of the day, all announcers are stupid anyway.

I'll be at CBP for game 4 (and hopefully the Rays sweep) simply because I have a wedding in Jersey to attend that weekend. I'm kind of excited to see what it's like. It's got to be better than the shithole that was the Vet (saw a phillies/orioles game there years ago...99 maybe).

Anyway, predictions. Rays in 6. Phillies only win games started by Cole Hamels.

scottinnj

10-20-2008, 02:09 PM

It's fun to have you still ignore the arguments that the Phillies are simply an inferior team to the Rays, and pretty much any of the American League teams that were in contention this year.

Is this Fez?

Seriously, I was wanting to face the BoSox, but the discussion this morning in the office laid out a great argument for the Phillies taking it all this year in six games.

Come to Philly with at least one win, get two out of three at the Bank, and end it like we did in LA, on the road.

It's very possible with us. Even with Moyer in game 4, the offense usually goes nuts and gets all "Gashouse Gorillas" when he's on the mound:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o217/themarshal/GashouseGorillas.jpg

scottinnj

10-20-2008, 02:15 PM

Well, at the end of the day, all announcers are stupid anyway.

Not Really. That's why I love my XM so much. When the Phils are on the road, I get to hear the other city's announcers, and that really deepens my enjoyment of the game.

I'll be at CBP for game 4 (and hopefully the Rays sweep) simply because I have a wedding in Jersey to attend that weekend. I'm kind of excited to see what it's like. It's got to be better than the shithole that was the Vet (saw a phillies/orioles game there years ago...99 maybe).

Anyway, predictions. Rays in 6. Phillies only win games started by Cole Hamels.

Welcome to Jersey. You're gonna hate our state, almost as much as I do. But I hope you enjoy the game at the Bank. It really is a first-class park, and I'm really proud of it, having been a diehard fan of the Vet.

And if the Phils only win games started by Cole, wouldn't that make your prediction "Rays in 5?"
And why would Jamie be 16-7 and Cole be 14-10 if that were true anyway?

K.C.

10-20-2008, 02:22 PM

Seriously, I was wanting to face the BoSox, but the discussion this morning in the office laid out a great argument for the Phillies taking it all this year in six games.

The only prediction I'm ready to make is that whoever wins Game 1 will win the series in five games.

Both teams are pretty evenly matched, but both these teams also ride momentum like a coke high.

I have to decide who I think is better suited to win Game 1. Hamels is easily the better pitcher, but the poor batter's backdrop in the Trop concerns me.

StPeteSaint

10-20-2008, 02:25 PM

Not Really. That's why I love my XM so much. When the Phils are on the road, I get to hear the other city's announcers, and that really deepens my enjoyment of the game.

Welcome to Jersey. You're gonna hate our state, almost as much as I do. But I hope you enjoy the game at the Bank. It really is a first-class park, and I'm really proud of it, having been a diehard fan of the Vet.

And if the Phils only win games started by Cole, wouldn't that make your prediction "Rays in 5?"
And why would Jamie be 16-7 and Cole be 14-10 if that were true anyway?

I'm assuming Hamel will start games 1 and 5. Rays win 2, 3, 4 and 6.

scottinnj

10-20-2008, 02:27 PM

The only prediction I'm ready to make is that whoever wins Game 1 will win the series in five games.

I don't think any of us were going that far, but we all agreed the Phils have to win one of the first two (hopefully game one) or else we're in deep shit with that coke-high momentum you pointed out. Which I totally agree with. The Phils can fuck up a winning streak like no other.

scottinnj

10-20-2008, 02:30 PM

I'm assuming Hamel will start games 1 and 5. Rays win 2, 3, 4 and 6.

Hamel will start game 5 only if we've lost 2, 3 & 4. Charlie is a stickler to keeping Cole on a full rest cycle, and he hasn't been wrong yet. If we win two out of the first 5, Cole will be starting Game 6.

But this is the Series, who knows what Charlie has in mind.

cougarjake13

10-20-2008, 04:40 PM

I'm sorry how many Hall of Famers do the Rays have?

Don't worry, though...I'm sure that THIS year will be the year that Greg Vaughn finally gets his due from Cooperstown.

actual inductions ??

or hof'ers that played for them but not inducted as one ??

skyscraper

10-21-2008, 04:31 AM

Oh, I'm sorry, I laughed loudly that you posted an analysis that was

Howard>Pena.
et al.

I didn't know that qualifies as serious analysis. I think thinking like that was something that was relevant in "Could Superman beat up Thor" conversations, but not really in a team sport where there is no real direct comparison.

still waiting for your analysis that trumps his.

KingGeno

10-21-2008, 05:28 AM

I can't take this guy seriously. He hasn't brought up any valid points or knowledge to back any of his ridiculous statements up. He's pretty much quoting Sportscenter, and that must be the extent of his baseball knowledge. His arguement about our "pussy" hall of fame players and shitty "hall of fame" announcer was really full of effort and smarts.

I'm sure he'll call me an "asshole" or "fan or loser town" or something that a cheezdick frontrunner would say.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2008, 05:46 AM

still waiting for your analysis that trumps his.

Even K.C. pointed out that that's a silly way to compare teams.

skyscraper

10-21-2008, 06:20 AM

Even K.C. pointed out that that's a silly way to compare teams.

the point being, he has offered no analysis of his own.

glenndog

10-21-2008, 06:42 AM

Apparently the last 5 years in Boston have completely erased the previous CENTURY of losing. How quickly people forget how awful their teams were.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2008, 07:23 AM

the point being, he has offered no analysis of his own.

Nobody really has.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2008, 07:25 AM

Apparently the last 5 years in Boston have completely erased the previous CENTURY of losing. How quickly people forget how awful their teams were.

There's a difference between putting up a ton of playoff teams and getting the to the WS a bunch of times and losing then and just being a bad team. The Cubs have been a terrible baseball team for the better part of a century. The Phillies have been been a horrible baseball team for the better part of a cenury. The Red Sox have, by and large, been a very good to great team for most of the last 100 years but just couldn't seal the deal.

skyscraper

10-21-2008, 07:36 AM

Nobody really has.

all we can do is analyze the past, which is not always a good indicator of the future, especially for the world series.
there are no experts on the future.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2008, 07:40 AM

all we can do is analyze the past, which is not always a good indicator of the future, especially for the world series.
there are no experts on the future.

Yes, but nobody has offered any analysis of substance here in the last few days, myself included. If people wanna start stacking up the stats to see who historically does better in what situation and so on and so forth, then we're getting somewhere with actual analysis. In the meantime, it's just people bullshitting and guessing, and the Tampa Fan shouldn't be shit on for doing the same thing as everyone else.

cougarjake13

10-21-2008, 01:53 PM

Apparently the last 5 years in Boston have completely erased the previous CENTURY of losing. How quickly people forget how awful their teams were.

3 super bowls
2 world series
1 nba championship

will do that to you

now all they need is for the bruins to finally do it and they can all die in peace

K.C.

10-21-2008, 01:58 PM

The Red Sox have, by and large, been a very good to great team for most of the last 100 years but just couldn't seal the deal.

No they haven't.

They made the playoffs like 7 or 8 times in the span of 80 years from 1919-1998, and most of those came in the late 80s, early 90s period.

They've been very good to great for the last decade or so. and pre-1918.

K.C.

10-21-2008, 01:59 PM

Nobody really has.

Yes I did.

Pretty sure I went over pitching matchups and why they benefit the Phillies slightly in a previous post.

scottinnj

10-21-2008, 03:06 PM

It's very possible with us. Even with Moyer in game 4, the offense usually goes nuts and gets all "Gashouse Gorillas" when he's on the mound:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o217/themarshal/GashouseGorillas.jpg

I was right: I just checked Moyer's last 10 regular season games, and the offense averaged 5.7 runs a game.

(plus I just wanted to repost that pic....ain't it cool?)

Neckbeard

10-21-2008, 03:35 PM

No they haven't.

They made the playoffs like 7 or 8 times in the span of 80 years from 1919-1998, and most of those came in the late 80s, early 90s period.

They've been very good to great for the last decade or so. and pre-1918.

Because during the span you listed the WC didn't exist for all but 4 years of it and the Red Sox had to compete with the Yankees. Just becase they didn't make the playoffs more often in that span doesn't mean they did not have a bunch of good to great teams.

NECKBEARD HAS SPOKEN.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2008, 03:41 PM

Yes I did.

Pretty sure I went over pitching matchups and why they benefit the Phillies slightly in a previous post.

This?

I think we have the match up we want.

Don't get me wrong, the Rays are fantastic, but the bullpen, outside of Price, has looked a little shaky, they only have one left-handed starter in Kazmir, who will only throw five or six innings, and I think the Phillies' left-handed bats match up well with the Rays' righties.

Plus, this team will do infinitely better playing up to four in the TropDome, than at Fenway.

Just like the last two series, if Hamels can get Game 1, I think it all falls in to place.

I don't think Shields will pitch until Game 2.

Probably go:

Hamels vs. Kazmir
Myers vs. Shields
Moyer vs. Garza
Blanton vs. Sonnastine

That's the same as the rest of us...jawin' and bullshittin'. It's all your opinion and nothing to back it up.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's crap for some people here to give the Ray's guy crap for not providing "analysis."

K.C.

10-21-2008, 03:49 PM

I would never say that the Rays can be beat because the Sox almost came back.

The Rays can be beat, because the Phillies matchup well.

The Phillies will throw two left-handed changeup based pitchers (one who arguably has the best changeup in baseball) in four of the seven games of this series.

The Rays are a pretty free-swinging team, which makes that a good matchup. Hamels, and especially Moyer, also have two of the best pickoff moves in baseball (because they are balks...even I can admit that), to kind of hamper their running game.

On the flip side, almost everyone on the Rays throws gas. The Phillies are a hard fastball hitting team.

It really plays to their strengths.

The one thing that scares me about Tampa is Price coming out of the bullpen late to face Utley and Howard.

Boston would have been a little more difficult, because I think Dice-K pitches similar to the way Kuroda does in that he throws a lot of different variations of breaking pitches.

Plus, if Wakefield had the good knuckler, he could quite possibly strike out 20 against the Phillies.

That said, either matchup, I think the Phillies have a good shot. They're probably, on paper, a slight underdog to Boston on matchups.

I'd say it's a pick 'em against the Rays.

Quoted for second time.

TheMojoPin

10-21-2008, 03:52 PM

Quoted for second time.

Good idea.

Yes, but nobody has offered any analysis of substance here in the last few days, myself included. If people wanna start stacking up the stats to see who historically does better in what situation and so on and so forth, then we're getting somewhere with actual analysis. In the meantime, it's just people bullshitting and guessing, and the Tampa Fan shouldn't be shit on for doing the same thing as everyone else.

K.C.

10-21-2008, 04:53 PM

FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!

Steve Phillips just picked the Phillies.

We're screwed.

See you in '09.

scottinnj

10-21-2008, 05:21 PM

FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!

Steve Phillips just picked the Phillies.

We're screwed.

See you in '09.

Crybaby.

Go to the liquor store, buy a bottle of rum and a decent Churchill for Jobu.

Sit back and enjoy the series.

My team, do or die!

KingGeno

10-21-2008, 06:01 PM

I don't believe that shit. Opie picked the Phils, too.

K.C.

10-21-2008, 06:49 PM

Crybaby.

Go to the liquor store, buy a bottle of rum and a decent Churchill for Jobu.

Sit back and enjoy the series.

My team, do or die!

The powers of the great and powerful Ganesh can ward off a Hippos jinx.

But, I must find a more powerful god to combat the Steve Phillips jinx.

scottinnj

10-21-2008, 06:53 PM

The powers of the great and powerful Ganesh can ward off a Hippos jinx.

But, I must find a more powerful god to combat the Steve Phillips jinx.

Well, Buck Martinez on XM seems to be leaning towards the Rays. That should nullify the Phillips jinx.

skyscraper

10-22-2008, 04:19 AM

what do you think of this: I think the Phillies should let Brett Myers bat in game 2. forget the DH for that game. I know he can't really hit, but he likes to battle. I think he likes to wear the other pitcher down and help himself as much as he can. I think it helps his pitching game.

tbagnu

10-22-2008, 05:02 AM

i just get peeved when i hear the national sports media sucking the rays cock!! hell they did it to the dodgers so i guess i should be used to it this post season! hell i should be used to it for life!!..my prediction..phils in either 5 or possibly 6!!

KingGeno

10-22-2008, 05:40 AM

Whatever. Most said that the Phillies wouldn't get wildcard, wouldn't win the NLDS, would get killed and swept in the NLCS, and now it is the 2008 World Series, Starring Tampa Bay Rays w/ an appearance by the rusty Philadelphia Phillies. And if we win (not making a prediction), I am sure it will be a small footnote or called a "fluke" cuz we didn't beat some super team like the yankees or sox. I'm used to it, this is an expected thing.

All I care about is them winning, and me getting to share a championship with my father.

skyscraper

10-22-2008, 06:03 AM

for what it's worth, SI.com listed their baseball writers' predictions. 5 picked the rays, 4 picked the phillies. all predicted it would go at least 6 games, some 7.
Almost everyone I've heard is saying it's going to be a good, close series that has the best chance of going the distance of any series in the last decade or so.
which means it will be a sweep and a blowout, because people is so stupid.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/10/20/world.series.picks/index.html?bcnn=yes

StPeteSaint

10-22-2008, 08:40 AM

because people is so stupid.
[/url]

IRONY!

skyscraper

10-22-2008, 08:50 AM

IRONY!

how about, MISSED THE JOKE!
how about, EVEN MORE IRONY!
that is, YOU ARE STUPID!
must be a fucking rays fan.

StPeteSaint

10-22-2008, 09:38 AM

how about, MISSED THE JOKE!
how about, EVEN MORE IRONY!
that is, YOU ARE STUPID!
must be a fucking rays fan.

Why Can't Us. Said in all sincerity....with no other explanation.

Yeah, you got a genius team there.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 09:48 AM

Damn, I'm so excited!

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/XDyM4CfExXU&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/XDyM4CfExXU&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/54-6yimtjtA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/54-6yimtjtA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wDGQbLB-trM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wDGQbLB-trM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HABgETOc_ek&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HABgETOc_ek&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

KingGeno

10-22-2008, 09:53 AM

Yea, I'm so anxious to get this started. My leg won't stop tappin', and I'm listening to my "get nuckin' futs" playist. Can't wait!

Shame Joe Buck will slow down my brain a little. He sucks ass, no emotion at all.

skyscraper

10-22-2008, 10:01 AM

Why Can't Us. Said in all sincerity....with no other explanation.

Yeah, you got a genius team there.

the team didn't say it, some drunk guy in delaware said it and it just caught on. and I bet even he wouldn't have made the same mistake you did.
idiot.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 12:45 PM

Philly Franko

10-22-2008, 01:08 PM

I see a 4-2 Phils win here tonite, real good Pitching and The Phils have the better Bullpen by far...Can not wait...lets go Phillies ...Lets GO !!!!! party at ron b,s old house in PA...and in NYC..Good Luck Fezzie,any wagers with fans or Show crew? hope to hear todays Replay tonite at 12 midnite after the phils win.Lighten up Ronnie B.....no Jinx here, enjoy thee whole ride, it will be fun...I see Phils winning 4-2 tonite and winning the series in 5 games.GM 5 in Philly hope to be there...Standing room only tix for game 5 are $400 and up...Crazy prices. I went in 83' ...cheap tickets then....PHILS WIN PHILS WIN....!!!!!:clap::clap:

Philly Franko

10-22-2008, 01:12 PM

Temple FB wins, Phils Win, and win,win, lose,:clap::clap: win...world Champs and Eagles win Sunday also....sounds sweet...lets go flyers..Lets go...oh thats right, they are 0-3-2..Last place Ouch. Lets go Phillies lets Go !!!!!:clap::clap:

K.C.

10-22-2008, 02:14 PM

Man I can hear Dan Baker announcing the lineups to this song right now.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VtrWbBGOv5k&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VtrWbBGOv5k&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Leading off...at shortstop....number e-LEVEN....Jimmy Rol-LINS.

Actually, I think Chickie & Pete's hired him to act as PA announcer for the bar during the road games.

Hottub

10-22-2008, 03:06 PM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Y48CVCJML.jpg

Starts in an hour.
Hamels v. Kazmir for the opener.

Anybody watching?:drunk:

jetdog

10-22-2008, 03:09 PM

I would just like to say, without malice, fuck all of you for enjoying this World Series.

IMSlacker

10-22-2008, 03:12 PM

I would just like to say, without malice, fuck all of you for enjoying this World Series.

X2

Hottub

10-22-2008, 03:26 PM

http://www.halloweenstreet.com/images/product/4878_Costume.jpg

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 03:34 PM

maybe i missed it somewhere but when did alyssa milano become the poster child for schilling sports merchandise ??

jonyrotn

10-22-2008, 03:40 PM

I would just like to say, without malice, fuck all of you for enjoying this World Series.
X2X3..I'll be watching it but I refuse to enjoy it..

maybe i missed it somewhere but when did alyssa milano become the poster child for schilling sports merchandise ??She's been bangin baseball players for years..She's like some kinda groupie or something..
How come these I can't find one of these hot chicks with a cop fetish? :down:

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 03:42 PM

Coste has been announced as the DH for tonight.

Marson is NOT on the roster, so if Ruiz were to get injured, the Phillies would have to sacrifice the DH for the rest of the game to bring Coste in to catch.

Somewhat of a gamble by Charlie.

I'm not a fan of the move. I'd rather play Taguchi in LF, and bat him 9th, and let Burrell DH for this game.

Stairs is obviously going to DH in Game 2 against Shields.

i know its a debate that'll go on forever and we the fans will lose but the DH heavily favors the AL team and with the AL team always winning the all star game and getting home field advantage they get the unfair advantage

i know the cardinals won in 06 against the tigers but that had more to do with the tigers week long layoff and errors

cause when you think about it the AL Team has a player who all year long played that dh role and is most of the times a power hitter or a former everyday player who cant play the field anymore or well

usually the nl team has to use a guy whose been a bench player all year and if he was on the level of the al dh player he'd be starting somewhere, not on the bench

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 03:43 PM

X3..I'll be watching it but I refuse to enjoy it..

She's been bangin baseball players for years..She's like some kinda groupie or something..
How come these I can't find one of these hot chicks with a cop fetish? :down:

they're out there but they're also the same groupies who like donuts

hammersavage

10-22-2008, 03:45 PM

Good luck tonight gentleman. You here are the only reason I'm not wearing Rays gear right now.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 03:47 PM

i know its a debate that'll go on forever and we the fans will lose but the DH heavily favors the AL team and with the AL team always winning the all star game and getting home field advantage they get the unfair advantage

i know the cardinals won in 06 against the tigers but that had more to do with the tigers week long layoff and errors

cause when you think about it the AL Team has a player who all year long played that dh role and is most of the times a power hitter or a former everyday player who cant play the field anymore or well

usually the nl team has to use a guy whose been a bench player all year and if he was on the level of the al dh player he'd be starting somewhere, not on the bench

I would agree with that for the most part. The DH is an abomination.

Although, I don't know it's as big a factor in this particular series. Rocco Baldelli and Willy Aybar will be the two DHs for Tampa.

They're not really that much better than a Matt Stairs or a Greg Dobbs.

But for teams like Boston and New York, who can pay David Ortiz and Jason Giambi enormous salaries just to DH, it's a HUGE advantage.

Even Detroit who's been paying Sheffield to DH.

It creates an unfair advantage.

Ultimately, they should unify the leagues in that respect. Either no DH, or all DH. The problem is that the player's union would never allow MLB to scrap the DH. It'd cost them too much money.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 03:52 PM

WOOOOOOOOOO motherfuckin' HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm already drunk on Whiskey...Go Phils!!!

This is the only game I'll be watching in the comfort of my own home. Heading up to Philly for Game 2. At CBP for Games 3 and 4....I'll deal with any games beyond that when we get there.

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 03:53 PM

I would agree with that for the most part. The DH is an abomination.

Although, I don't know it's as big a factor in this particular series. Rocco Baldelli and Willy Aybar will be the two DHs for Tampa.

They're not really that much better than a Matt Stairs or a Greg Dobbs.

But for teams like Boston and New York, who can pay David Ortiz and Jason Giambi enormous salaries just to DH, it's a HUGE advantage.

Even Detroit who's been paying Sheffield to DH.

It creates an unfair advantage.

Ultimately, they should unify the leagues in that respect. Either no DH, or all DH. The problem is that the player's union would never allow MLB to scrap the DH. It'd cost them too much money.

true but what made me think of the unfairness was that philly was using coste as their dh

biozombie

10-22-2008, 03:55 PM

Not sure if I'll be able to stay awake for it...but I'll be wearing a very special hat.

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 03:55 PM

Doctor Z

10-22-2008, 03:58 PM

I for one, will be loving it.

Go Rays.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 03:59 PM

true but what made me think of the unfairness was that philly was using coste as their dh

Coste sucks, but it's not as pronounced, because what the Rays are throwing up as the DH isn't much better.

If it was Baldelli pre-disorder, or Cliff Floyd five years ago...yeah.

But now, I'd say it's only a slight advantage.

But overall, it plays to the AL.

spoon

10-22-2008, 04:01 PM

Go Phils!!

I can only back one team in the AL East....unless it's against the spanks. So go Phils!

Phils in 6.

spoon

10-22-2008, 04:05 PM

And for the record, I'm sooo fucking sick of hearing how this and any other world series for that matter can't do well because it doesn't have Boston or one of the New York teams. Fuck off. If MLB gave a fuck about the league and not the core big market teams only, perhaps it would expand it's popularity beyond those set core teams.

You know that cunt Selig is all upset without the Manny/Sox sub plot, or the big market guns like Chicago, NY or Boston being in the final game. I for one find this world series a refreshing change, and can't wait. Both teams earned their place, and it should be a pretty damn good series. I for one think the Phils have too much experience and the Rays like other first time teams in the past will fall in the last round of the playoffs. I like TB too, but it's just not happening.

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 04:08 PM

Devils on the radio, World Series on t.v. It's a fun sports night.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 04:09 PM

Hottub

10-22-2008, 04:12 PM

Well spoken rant, spoony. Well done.:thumbup:

Go Phils!

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 04:14 PM

first team to win four games will be carrying the commissioner's trophy home.

write it on a rock.

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 04:14 PM

You are a paragon of wisdom, as always, spoon.

Go Phils!!!

dude's got an ego the size of Texas, no need to inflate him any further.

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 04:14 PM

steve carlton's a fag

spoon

10-22-2008, 04:17 PM

steve carlton's a fag

Carlton and Nails like to tag each other in his car wash.

PigShitIrish

10-22-2008, 04:18 PM

http://www.philadelphiaathletics.org/ppp/images/teams/1980wsphils.jpg

Let's do this shit again!

spoon

10-22-2008, 04:20 PM

dude's got an ego the size of Texas, no need to inflate him any further.

durf

biozombie

10-22-2008, 04:21 PM

motherfuckers had style 28 years ago...
listening to today's R&F on Helix delay, TV with the volume off, is this 'n sync doing the national anthem?

Hottub

10-22-2008, 04:21 PM

steve carlton's a fag

The hell he is!!

deliciousV

10-22-2008, 04:23 PM

was that the cast of that 70's show singing the anthom? I swear that was Hyde.

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 04:25 PM

i wish this was a big ass simulcast, and mikeyboy was pitching for the rays.

mikeyboy

10-22-2008, 04:25 PM

The hell he is!!

He was, too, you boys. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress.

biozombie

10-22-2008, 04:26 PM

Backstreet Boys? wtf.

SinA

10-22-2008, 04:28 PM

I'm sure this was brought up on the show and I just missed it, but this is a

Ron vs. Fez
World Series

Does that mean anything? Did they make any bets?

Hottub

10-22-2008, 04:29 PM

Thaaaank you, Mikey.

OK. Let's get down to it, boppers!

biozombie

10-22-2008, 04:29 PM

He was, too, you boys. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

deliciousV

10-22-2008, 04:32 PM

I'm sure this was brought up on the show and I just missed it, but this is a

Ron vs. Fez
World Series

Does that mean anything? Did they make any bets?

it means Fez gets hit with blue cowbells till its over

Hottub

10-22-2008, 04:34 PM

35 minutes. Still waiting for a pitch.
Some of us have to work in the morning you money grubbing whores!:furious:

KnoxHarrington

10-22-2008, 04:40 PM

i wish this was a big ass simulcast, and mikeyboy was pitching for the rays.

I'd love to hear that.

But, hey, we're getting Big Ass Election Night ("cause they can't say 'fuck' on CNN), so I'm happy.

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 04:42 PM

Largest crowd ever at Tropicana? 47,150 for a New Kids On The Block concert......thats fucking sad.

I'm happy for the Rays and all but screw their fans.

PigShitIrish

10-22-2008, 04:45 PM

Chase Utley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drjoek

10-22-2008, 04:45 PM

Chase Utley with a BOMB!!!

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 04:46 PM

Even though Utley struck out, it's nice to see the NL strike first.

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 04:46 PM

iwamura looks like snoogans

BeerBandit

10-22-2008, 04:46 PM

I'm so glad the Mets dumped that chump Kazmir.

PigShitIrish

10-22-2008, 04:49 PM

Utley smashed that!!!!!

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 04:49 PM

Largest crowd ever at Tropicana? 47,150 for a New Kids On The Block concert......thats fucking sad.

I'm happy for the Rays and all but screw their fans.

The team hasn't even existed for a generation in state made up largely of transplants. The ripping of the Florida fanbases for not piling in there since the teams were created, especially with the Rays who have been garbage until this year, is beyond tiresome.

Sae with the Marlins. The Marlins have amazing TV ratings down there and a ton of sites and boards devoted to them, so the fans are there...they just don't want to go way out of their way to the worst baseball stadium around to either bake in the humid sun for 3 hours or get caught in shitty weather.

BeerBandit

10-22-2008, 04:51 PM

Dioner Navarro looked like the bartender from The Three Amigos.

"My leettlel bawdercope"

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 04:52 PM

Oh, Lord.

If Howards gets the NL MVP, it's a fucking crime.

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 04:53 PM

The team hasn't even existed for a generation in state made up largely of transplants. The ripping of the Florida fanbases for not piling in there since the teams were created, especially with the Rays who have been garbage until this year, is beyond tiresome.

Sae with the Marlins. The Marlins have amazing TV ratings down there and a ton of sites and boards devoted to them, so the fans are there...they just don't want to go way out of their way to the worst baseball stadium around to either bake in the humid sun for 3 hours or get caught in shitty weather.

you're defending a fan base that has less then 700 people show up for a game this season? really? good for you.

i'd also be willing to bet that ive attended more Rays games then half the people there tonight and ive gone to 2 in my life. basically youre arguing that you should only show up if your team is good, otherwise stay home.

Hottub

10-22-2008, 04:53 PM

Upton has been a beast lately.

Tenbatsuzen

10-22-2008, 04:55 PM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Y48CVCJML.jpg

...is that Alyssa Milano?

Hottub

10-22-2008, 04:56 PM

...is that Alyssa Milano?

How the fuck should I know? I googled sexy baseball girl.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 04:56 PM

BeerBandit

10-22-2008, 04:57 PM

Hit him!

Tenbatsuzen

10-22-2008, 04:59 PM

How the fuck should I know? I googled sexy baseball girl.

And knowing Alyssa's past history, again, is that Alyssa Milano?

Tenbatsuzen

10-22-2008, 05:01 PM

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 05:04 PM

No, again, I'm pointing out that the team has existed for only a decade in a state where another newer team had already won a WS just before they showed up and the population has a huge amount of transplant citizens from other states AND the team has been horrible for its entire existence until this year. How does it make any sense to expect them to just make a diehard fanbase appear out of nowhere? And who cares how long it's taking them to build up that fanbase? It doesn't make them any less of a team, or the actual fans look bad.

this isn't about packing a stadium night in and night out like you would see in the Bronx or in Chicago, this is about showing up to watch your team play once in a while. If you've been in existence for a decade and your largest crowd is 47,150 for a fucking concert that happened before you even occupied the building, thats sad......plain and simple. It does make the actual fans look bad. its finally ok to go to a game only when they make the world series? thats called being a frontrunner, not a fan. so they post on a message board? show up for a game, it wouldnt kill you.

Hottub

10-22-2008, 05:08 PM

How long do you keep Kazmir in?
He already gave up 2 and now the bases are loaded.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 05:10 PM

So? Diamondbacks were HUGE before they won anything. Marlins not withstanding, Tampa's a shit market. There's NO FUCKING REASON there should be pops for the other team in WORLD FUCKING SERIES.

Yeah, the Diamondbacks showed up in a market where they were the only game in town and were a damn good team within a year of showing up. The Rays showed up in a difficult market where was another newer team which had just won the WS the year before and they proceeded to shit the bed right out of the gate. We're not tlaking bad...we're talking worst in baseball bad until this year. Combine that with an area with a ton of people moving from other states already rooting for their teams and it's an uphill battle for a team like this to build up a fanbase.

PigShitIrish

10-22-2008, 05:12 PM

F'n blown opportunities.....not good!

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 05:13 PM

this isn't about packing a stadium night in and night out like you would see in the Bronx or in Chicago, this is about showing up to watch your team play once in a while. If you've been in existence for a decade and your largest crowd is 47,150 for a fucking concert that happened before you even occupied the building, thats sad......plain and simple. It does make the actual fans look bad. its finally ok to go to a game only when they make the world series? thats called being a frontrunner, not a fan. so they post on a message board? show up for a game, it wouldnt kill you.

So they're not a full capacity team yet. They've had plenty of games where 40,000+ people showed up. It's been a really shitty team in a really shitty market for only a decade. That's just how it is. It's gonna take more years like this to build up that fanbase.

PigShitIrish

10-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Lefty Jr. is looking great so far.

(Where's everyone at? )

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 05:22 PM

No, again, I'm pointing out that the team has existed for only a decade in a state where another newer team had already won a WS just before they showed up and the population has a huge amount of transplant citizens from other states AND the team has been horrible for its entire existence until this year. How does it make any sense to expect them to just make a diehard fanbase appear out of nowhere? And who cares how long it's taking them to build up that fanbase? It doesn't make them any less of a team, or the actual fans look bad.

exactly ... there's no 50 plus years of history to fall back on when the team is shit like other franchises

there's no thats my daddy's favorite team so i'll root for them too, there will be now as the years progress, especially if they remain competitive

and they need to move the stadium to somewhere in tampa

st pete/ pinellas county predominantly 50 yrs old plus, retired, limited income, and a lot go north for the summer months

tampa/ hillsborough a much younger demographic, more families, more disposable income, plus moves it closer to the surrounding counties ( pasco, polk, and closer for orlando people to maybe make the drive)

Hottub

10-22-2008, 05:23 PM

Lefty Jr. is looking great so far.

(Where's everyone at? )

We're over here. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73908)

dino_electropolis

10-22-2008, 05:24 PM

anyone else find "aerial coverage" of a domed stadium completely pointless?

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 05:25 PM

anyone else find "aerial coverage" of a domed stadium completely pointless?

not if you want to count the tiles on the roof

biozombie

10-22-2008, 05:27 PM

oh pat :(

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 05:28 PM

kazmir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tenbatsuzen

10-22-2008, 05:28 PM

Yeah, the Diamondbacks showed up in a market where they were the only game in town and were a damn good team within a year of showing up. The Rays showed up in a difficult market where was another newer team which had just won the WS the year before and they proceeded to shit the bed right out of the gate. We're not tlaking bad...we're talking worst in baseball bad until this year. Combine that with an area with a ton of people moving from other states already rooting for their teams and it's an uphill battle for a team like this to build up a fanbase.

I don't get to say this often, so I'll relish it: You are completely clueless.

Hottub

10-22-2008, 05:30 PM

I don't get to say this often, so I will relish it.
Matty has a point.

spoon

10-22-2008, 05:32 PM

you're defending a fan base that has less then 700 people show up for a game this season? really? good for you.

i'd also be willing to bet that ive attended more Rays games then half the people there tonight and ive gone to 2 in my life. basically youre arguing that you should only show up if your team is good, otherwise stay home.

No, he's saying that the league can't simply pick a spot bc it has a ownership team ready to buy a franchise and then step away. No worse then that, let them wilt away in a market filled with transplant Yankee, put them in the same fucking division, give them little to no help, and expect fans to just come out of the woodwork!? I'm sorry, if you want some fans for small market teams and a wider fanbase for baseball, fix the fucking league. Between the lack of a salary cap & floor, the bs lux tax, no rules in international player signings and of course illegal contracts/money in the minors/internationally by the big market teams, it gets fucking old to hear ur argument HHH. It's not a wonder the Rays have few fans during years and years of a shitty brand new team, it's a wonder they found a way to make it work in the end. And for that I'm impressed. However, they'll have to catch the perfect storm to keep competitive longer then your average Marlin team. They seem to have done that with a good manager, but soon enough they'll lose all these kids to the likes of LAD, NYY, NYM, Boston, LAA and whatever other team is motivated to throw money around for one or two years bc they wrongly think they can win.

Hottub

10-22-2008, 05:38 PM

C'mon, ya poser.

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 05:39 PM

they had fans but after the hit show debacle of 2000, and the team sucking ass,

then namoli basically saying he wasnt going to spend any more money until fans start showing up gave no one a reason to go

Hottub

10-22-2008, 05:39 PM

Consecutive DP's. Way to step up.

spoon

10-22-2008, 05:40 PM

Consecutive DP's. Way to step up.

Yah, we all know how much you like dps.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 05:41 PM

I don't get to say this often, so I'll relish it: You are completely clueless.

Yeah, I'll bet. Florida suddenly isn't a huge transplant state? I love how you can't even be grownup enough to see a genuine discussion and want to actually participate.

PigShitIrish

10-22-2008, 05:41 PM

Yah, we all know how much you like dps.

:lol:

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 05:44 PM

No, he's saying that the league can't simply pick a spot bc it has a ownership team ready to buy a franchise and then step away. No worse then that, let them wilt away in a market filled with transplant Yankee, put them in the same fucking division, give them little to no help, and expect fans to just come out of the woodwork!? I'm sorry, if you want some fans for small market teams and a wider fanbase for baseball, fix the fucking league. Between the lack of a salary cap & floor, the bs lux tax, no rules in international player signings and of course illegal contracts/money in the minors/internationally by the big market teams, it gets fucking old to hear ur argument HHH. It's not a wonder the Rays have few fans during years and years of a shitty brand new team, it's a wonder they found a way to make it work in the end. And for that I'm impressed. However, they'll have to catch the perfect storm to keep competitive longer then your average Marlin team. They seem to have done that with a good manager, but soon enough they'll lose all these kids to the likes of LAD, NYY, NYM, Boston, LAA and whatever other team is motivated to throw money around for one or two years bc they wrongly think they can win.

the Marlins were the team that had 700 people show up, so if the Rays have to catch a perfect storm to keep competitive with that why even put a team there in the first place?

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 05:45 PM

Yeah, I'll bet. Florida suddenly isn't a huge transplant state? I love how you can't even be grownup enough to see a genuine discussion and want to actually participate.

we were having a grown-up discussion? bullshit. youre a stupid head.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 05:47 PM

we were having a grown-up discussion? bullshit. youre a stupid head.

You funky, butt-lovin'...!!!

spoon

10-22-2008, 05:48 PM

the Marlins were the team that had 700 people show up, so if the Rays have to catch a perfect storm to keep competitive with that why even put a team there in the first place?

That point was that they couldn't, or at least didn't attempt to keep their WS teams in place bc of cost and ownership changes. As for two teams in that location and it not being an ideal place, that's part of my argument against blaming the area and fans versus the league, how it's run and how it made this decision.

spoon

10-22-2008, 05:49 PM

You funky, butt-lovin'...!!!

Well then, he should hang more with DP Tubby!

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 05:49 PM

the Marlins were the team that had 700 people show up, so if the Rays have to catch a perfect storm to keep competitive with that why even put a team there in the first place?

Yeah, but the Marlins have that mess of a stadium. When the team is worth watching, they've had tons of people show up, but when they stink, is it really worth the ordeal? Really, there's nothing else in comparable in baseball...it's miserable watching a game there during the spring and summer. While they won't suddenly start selling out if they move to a new stadium and still stink, their impressive TV numbers down there show that people do wanna wach, and the attendence would likely dramatially improve if they weren't playing in such an out of the way oven.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 05:50 PM

Well then, he should hang more with DP Tubby!

Sorry, the correct answer is, "DID HE SAY FUNKY BUTT-LOVIN'?!?" (http://funkybuttloving.ytmnd.com/)

skyscraper

10-22-2008, 05:51 PM

rollins is pissing me off royally.
Hamels looks great though.

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 05:55 PM

crawford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jughead

10-22-2008, 05:55 PM

OK I am in....Not sure yet some fans have a bad reputation...

biozombie

10-22-2008, 05:57 PM

crawford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ah-boooooooooooo!

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 06:02 PM

Sorry, the correct answer is, "DID HE SAY FUNKY BUTT-LOVIN'?!?" (http://funkybuttloving.ytmnd.com/)

i hate myself for getting that without clicking the link

spoon

10-22-2008, 06:03 PM

i hate myself for getting that without clicking the link

I hate u either way.

IamFogHat

10-22-2008, 06:06 PM

I abhor this weird new pitcher camera angle.

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 06:07 PM

I hate u either way.

nice catch

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:09 PM

I abhor this weird new pitcher camera angle.

I hate the one in the dirt in front of home plate. They say it's the "ultimate angle," but you can't make out crap.

Tenbatsuzen

10-22-2008, 06:09 PM

Yeah, I'll bet. Florida suddenly isn't a huge transplant state? I love how you can't even be grownup enough to see a genuine discussion and want to actually participate.

No. Whatever kind of transplant state Florida is, Arizona fucking SMOKES them. May want to take a look at how the population has kind of EXPLODED in Arizona in the last 30 years, especially in the Phoenix metro.

Your usage of the Marlins being in the same market is a weak argument. Tampa is FOUR HOURS away from Miami. You want to talk Nats-Orioles? I'll see your point. But Florida is a huge state.

Tenbatsuzen

10-22-2008, 06:12 PM

And the fact I don't want to bring up because it'll make Mojo's head explode is that a large number of transplants in Phoenix are from a certain city known for radio host delicacies.

Jughead

10-22-2008, 06:15 PM

And the fact I don't want to bring up because it'll make Mojo's head explode is that a large number of transplants in Phoenix are from a certain city known for radio host delicacies.

Animal stories lil Tommy:smile:

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:16 PM

No. Whatever kind of transplant state Florida is, Arizona fucking SMOKES them. May want to take a look at how the population has kind of EXPLODED in Arizona in the last 30 years, especially in the Phoenix metro.

Agreed, but the Diamondbacks did two things the Rays didn't...show up in a market with no competition in a relatively less "passionate" regional division (compare the NL west to the AL east) and they were competitive right out of the gate. The Rays showed up in a market not the strongest for baseball with another new team already there who just won the WS the year before. Compound that with being REALLY crappy and in a brutally hard division with several deep historical legacies and the Rays and Diamondbacks started in very different siuations.

Your usage of the Marlins being in the same market is a weak argument. Tampa is FOUR HOURS away from Miami. You want to talk Nats-Orioles? I'll see your point. But Florida is a huge state.

Exactly. Why are people around the state going to jump out of their seats to be fans for a new team that stinks in an insanely tough division when there's another young team that won a WS a year before the Rays showed up and then another 5 years into the Ray's existence? It's an uphill battle. It's tiresome to see people ragging them for the size of the fanbase given their history and the circumstances of their creation and how they've only been around 10 years.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:18 PM

And the fact I don't want to bring up because it'll make Mojo's head explode is that a large number of transplants in Phoenix are from a certain city known for radio host delicacies.

Boy, yeah, it's crazy how my head is just going to explode over a rational discussion. I'm not hinging my arguments on the transplant populations. All I've done is point out how it's a contributing factor to the Ray's fanbase situation.

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 06:26 PM

iwamura !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 06:28 PM

Agreed, but the Diamondbacks did two things the Rays didn't...show up in a market with no competition in a relatively less "passionate" regional division (compare the NL west to the AL east) and they were competitive right out of the gate. The Rays showed up in a market not the strongest for baseball with another new team already there who just won the WS the year before. Compound that with being REALLY crappy and in a brutally hard division with several deep historical legacies and the Rays and Diamondbacks started in very different siuations.

Exactly. Why are people around the state going to jump out of their seats to be fans for a new team that stinks in an insanely tough division when there's another young team that won a WS a year before the Rays showed up and then another 3 years into the Ray's existence? It's an uphill battle. It's tiresome to see people ragging them for the size of the fanbase given their history and the circumstances of their creation and how they've only been around 10 years.

not to nitpick but it was 5 yrs in ...2003

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:29 PM

not to nitpick but it was 5 yrs in ...2003

Shit, you're right. I got them mixed up with the DBacks in 2001. Good catch.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:30 PM

This is a damn good game.

spoon

10-22-2008, 06:35 PM

This is a damn good game.

Indeed

I assume you now agree it's better off that the cubs aren't in the ws?

mikeyboy

10-22-2008, 06:36 PM

I only caught the tale end of it, but is the owner of Taco Bell an Aussie? I didn't see that coming.

drjoek

10-22-2008, 06:42 PM

That was a balk!

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:43 PM

Joe Maddon thought that Hamels not balking was bullshit.

Love the open mic.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:43 PM

Indeed

I assume you now agree it's better off that the cubs aren't in the ws?

Bastard.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 06:44 PM

That was a balk!

Doesn't matter.

a) He's been getting it all year.
b) You think that's a balk???...wait until you see Moyer...

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:44 PM

I think I have more issues with the non-calls of balks than anything else with the umps in recent years. They gotta clamp down on that shit.

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 06:45 PM

I think I have more issues with the non-calls of balks than anything else with the umps in recent years. They gotta clamp down on that shit.

yep.....that was balk-city.com, awful non-call

jimmyolsenblues

10-22-2008, 06:46 PM

World Series Thread!
Come on Phillies , make ron happy!

(Yes I understand , I am not a regular so I get crapped on when I start a thread, none the less, Ron deserves a world series win)

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:48 PM

yep.....that was balk-city.com, awful non-call

It's pretty nuts what pitchers can get away with out there with their pickoff moves, especially with the fakes.

drjoek

10-22-2008, 06:48 PM

Look at the movement on Howells pitches

mikeyboy

10-22-2008, 06:48 PM

pssst (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73908)

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 06:49 PM

I think I have more issues with the non-calls of balks than anything else with the umps in recent years. They gotta clamp down on that shit.

fo sho.

they started to buckle down on that in college last year or two, hopefully it will start in the pros.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 06:49 PM

yep.....that was balk-city.com, awful non-call

You, of all people, are going to complain about balks.

I take it you've completely ignored Andy Pettitte's entire Yankee career.

Big_Joe

10-22-2008, 06:49 PM

shhhhhhh your not suppose to talk about it.

Marc with a c

10-22-2008, 06:50 PM

Look at the movement on Howells pitches

you can thank the different camera angle for seeing more movement on the pitchers pitches.

Kevin

10-22-2008, 06:50 PM

This is the 1st world series where i have ever wanted both teams to lose, ever in my life.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:51 PM

Good Lord, that was one of the balkiest balks that ever balked.

Wow, great jump by Utley!

Big_Joe

10-22-2008, 06:54 PM

This is the 1st world series where i have ever wanted both teams to lose, ever in my life.

haha thats interesting, any reason why you hate both teams?

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 06:55 PM

Please use the thread Mikey linked to.

IamFogHat

10-22-2008, 06:58 PM

Um,
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/lock1.jpg
No one likes the lockey game anymore?

IamFogHat

10-22-2008, 06:59 PM

Anything in sports more stressful than a full count?

spoon

10-22-2008, 07:05 PM

Bastard.

Hey, at least your team knows how to spell palyovfs. See, even Toronto fans forgot.

epo

10-22-2008, 07:07 PM

I hate "God Bless America" at a baseball game.

There...I had to get that off my chest.

Friday

10-22-2008, 07:09 PM

I hate "God Bless America" at a baseball game.

There...I had to get that off my chest.

i miss 'take me out to the ballgame' at the 7th inning stretch

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 07:09 PM

I hate "God Bless America" at a baseball game.

There...I had to get that off my chest.

That was tired a long time ago. The stretch shouldn't be somber.

cougarjake13

10-22-2008, 07:15 PM

ruiz has a weird catching stance

IamFogHat

10-22-2008, 07:25 PM

My brother and I are having a rare night of bonding! Go baseball!

biozombie

10-22-2008, 07:30 PM

My brother and I are having a rare night of bonding! Go baseball!

sodomy? :winkyface:

spoon

10-22-2008, 07:53 PM

Sooooo, who's it going to be?

2005 Brad Lidge/1993 Mitch Williams

http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/Lidge%20hurting.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0804/mlb.best.baseball.players.numbers.47-99/images/99.mitch-williams.jpg
http://homerderby.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ws-hr-pods-lidge.jpg

Or 2008 Brad Lidge?

http://kylie.mlblogs.com/brad%20lidge.png

disneyspy

10-22-2008, 07:54 PM

bad brad,49 consecutive saves

King Hippos Bandaid

10-22-2008, 07:57 PM

Lidge is in 1-0 Phillies

Kevin

10-22-2008, 07:57 PM

haha thats interesting, any reason why you hate both teams?

Tampa bay fans have not seen a baseball game before the playoffs, they don't deserve shit. And well, being a Giant fan.. I hate anything philly..

King Hippos Bandaid

10-22-2008, 07:58 PM

the Rays lost game 1 in the ALCS, im not worried at this moment

K.C.

10-22-2008, 08:01 PM

LIGHTS OUT!!!!

http://media.philly.com/images/20080507_inq_lidge07z-a.JPG

spoon

10-22-2008, 08:02 PM

Very nice. Lidge looks good too. Pitching matchup tomorrow?

K.C.

10-22-2008, 08:02 PM

LIGHTS OUT!!!!

http://media.philly.com/images/20080507_inq_lidge07z-a.JPG

epo

10-22-2008, 08:02 PM

LIGHTS OUT!!!!

http://media.philly.com/images/20080507_inq_lidge07z-a.JPG

Lidge looked awesome again.

TheMojoPin

10-22-2008, 08:03 PM

Very good game.

disneyspy

10-22-2008, 08:03 PM

congrats phillie phans.hippos not worried

epo

10-22-2008, 08:05 PM

Closers always amaze me. In 2006 Lidge couldn't hit the side of a barn and now he's an axe murderer again.

A great job by him of getting his "stuff" back.

tbagnu

10-22-2008, 08:06 PM

once again..let me say...FUCK JOE BUCK..EAT THE DICK!!!:clap:

Friday

10-22-2008, 08:06 PM

the sportswriters seem to think tonight was really the only pitching matchup the Rays have to stress over.

but i don't know the Rays pitching staff well enough to make a comparison.

flyinbriguy

10-22-2008, 08:07 PM

Phils in 5...give Ron a break, he took in Earl, the mans a saint.

King Hippos Bandaid

10-22-2008, 08:07 PM

Closers always amaze me. In 2006 Lidge couldn't hit the side of a barn and now he's an axe murderer again.

A great job by him of getting his "stuff" back.

Mark Wholers never got the be good again memo

epo

10-22-2008, 08:08 PM

the sportswriters seem to think tonight was really the only pitching matchup the Rays have to stress over.

but i don't know the Rays pitching staff well enough to make a comparison.

Isn't Game 2 Myers vs. Shields?

That is a very good matchup as well.

Game 3 of Garza vs. Moyer....not so much.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 08:09 PM

the sportswriters seem to think tonight was really the only pitching matchup the Rays have to stress over.

but i don't know the Rays pitching staff well enough to make a comparison.

People who underestimate Brett Myers do so at their own peril.

tbagnu

10-22-2008, 08:09 PM

as i said in the philiies forum...FUCK JOE BUCK...EAT THE DICK!!!..holy christ..every ray is fuckin babe ruth according to him!!!..go phils!!

King Hippos Bandaid

10-22-2008, 08:11 PM

Genie Zelasko looks like she should be racing Sarah Jessica Parker in the Breeders Cup

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 08:12 PM

You, of all people, are going to complain about balks.

I take it you've completely ignored Andy Pettitte's entire Yankee career.

im a homer with that one, ill cop to it. but its really a judgement call, ive seen hamels pick off guys before and didnt think it was a balk. ive seen pettitte pick people off before and thought he balked. but more often then not ill side with Andy. i just thought he balked tonight

TheGameHHH

10-22-2008, 08:13 PM

Sorry, the correct answer is, "DID HE SAY FUNKY BUTT-LOVIN'?!?" (http://funkybuttloving.ytmnd.com/)

i swear if i didnt leave the thread for 2 hours to play on facebook i would have said that.

spoon

10-22-2008, 08:21 PM

Isn't Game 2 Myers vs. Shields?

That is a very good matchup as well.

Game 3 of Garza vs. Moyer....not so much.

You'd be surprised, as Myers is very bad on the road versus at home and Shields is a stud at home. My thoughts are that Tampa will win this one unless Myers goes nuts bc Shields is much better than most realize.

Game 3 however, should be a battle. Moyer a different pitcher at home, and Garza is under .500 on the road and Philly (fans and the fact that it's a hitter's park) won't be a picnic on him. Their era in this instance are virtually the same. Regardless, the Phils have already accomplished their first goal by winning one on the road early and it's a key win.

Being that Cole will at least hit the mound once in Game #5, and if my calculation are correct, the Rays better hope Garza, Shields and Sonnanstine can scratch out two wins between them. If not, we could potentially see the Phils in 5.

Still, I see Shields winning tomorrow (or at least TB in the end), and then a 50-50 shot for Garza and Sonnanstine to pick up the other win to put this to the 5th game all evened up. If not, Cole may be able to lock this up.

spoon

10-22-2008, 08:23 PM

as i said in the philiies forum...FUCK JOE BUCK...EAT THE DICK!!!..holy christ..every ray is fuckin babe ruth according to him!!!..go phils!!

Surprisingly he was born in the TB area, St. Petersburg I believe. Shocker right?!

K.C.

10-22-2008, 08:26 PM

You'd be surprised, as Myers is very bad on the road versus at home and Shields is a stud at home. My thoughts are that Tampa will win this one unless Myers goes nuts bc Shields is much better than most realize.

Game 3 however, should be a battle. Moyer a different pitcher at home, and Garza is under .500 on the road and Philly (fans and the fact that it's a hitter's park) won't be a picnic on him. Their era in this instance are virtually the same. Regardless, the Phils have already accomplished their first goal by winning one on the road early and it's a key win.

Being that Cole will at least hit the mound once in Game #5, and if my calculation are correct, the Rays better hope Garza, Shields and Sonnanstine can scratch out two wins between them. If not, we could potentially see the Phils in 5.

Still, I see Shields winning tomorrow (or at least TB in the end), and then a 50-50 shot for Garza and Sonnanstine to pick up the other win to put this to the 5th game all evened up. If not, Cole may be able to lock this up.

Since Myers came back from the minors in July, he's thrown one bad start on the road and that was his second to last start of the regular season against Florida.

You can't look at his season stats, because anyone who saw Myers before his minor league rehabilitation, and after, will tell you it's like night and day.

Like I said, people who underestimate Myers do so at their own peril.

A lot of the national media will say it's a lock for Tampa tomorrow night, and quote the road numbers.

Almost the entire composite of those bad road numbers, though, were from before he rehabbed in the minors.

scottinnj

10-22-2008, 08:32 PM

Some observations.

Howard going 0-4 with a walk and 2 strikeouts is just so bad.
Has anyone been throwing sliders to him in batting practice?

We load the bases in the second inning with one out and we don't get a single run?

NOT ONE?

Granted that throw from BJ Upton to Navarro to get Victorino out at home was amazing, to turn a flyout into a run-saving double play.

But we need to get more of the guys we leave in scoring position HOME!

Also:

The top of the lineup needs to produce more.

J-Roll 0-5 with 2 strikeouts
Burrell 0-2, 2 strikeouts, walked and on board due to a throwing error.

Jason Werth wasn't bad going 2-4 and a walk.

But Chris Coste as the DH was a big disappointment. 0-4. Let's try Stairs tomorrow night.

But I figured it could have been worse, with more then the one error because of the rubber field with a layer of dirt on it. WHAT THE FUCK? That is not only the worst field performance wise in the modern era of baseball, but it's gotta be the UGLIEST field of all time. And I had to pause my DVR while Buck explained the rules of the catwalks above the field. That is just pathetic.

I am really impressed with Tampa Bay's pitching staff, particularly Howell and Balfour. And this team is really going to challenge us, and I'm looking forward to a great World Series.

GO PHILS!!!!

spoon

10-22-2008, 08:33 PM

Since Myers came back from the minors in July, he's thrown one bad start on the road and that was his second to last start of the regular season against Florida.

You can't look at his season stats, because anyone who saw Myers before his minor league rehabilitation, and after, will tell you it's like night and day.

Like I said, people who underestimate Myers do so at their own peril.

A lot of the national media will say it's a lock for Tampa tomorrow night, and quote the road numbers.

Almost the entire composite of those bad road numbers, though, were from before he rehabbed in the minors.

Still, that doesn't take away the fact that Shields is lights out at home. And I just don't think the Rays will lose back to back games at home. I see your points, but I'm definitely in the camp that the Rays will win tomorrow. In fact, it's the only night I feel confident for the Rays winning.

scottinnj

10-22-2008, 08:37 PM

ruiz has a weird catching stance

Best catcher in the NL. That stance gives him the record for blocking the most wild pitches in 2008.

Holy shit could that Navarro throw to second or what? He didn't even get off his knees to go after Utley in the 7th. He barely made it.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 08:39 PM

Still, that doesn't take away the fact that Shields is lights out at home. And I just don't think the Rays will lose back to back games at home. I see your points, but I'm definately in the camp that the Rays will win tomorrow. In fact, it's the only night I feel confident for the Rays winning.

True, and the Rays should win tomorrow, on paper.

Hell, they HAVE to win tomorrow, or this could be close to being over already.

But it's certainly not the slam dunk some of the media types made this matchup out to be before the series started.

Yet there will be 20 stories or so tomorrow saying Myers is awful on the road.

That's because they're not doing their homework. It's lazy writing.

Myers was arguably the worst pitcher in baseball from April to early July. (Hence the horrific season totals)

He was arguably one of the best in the NL from late July to the present.

deliciousV

10-22-2008, 08:45 PM

well the Phillies have officially rolled out the rug, if history is any kind of teacher they'll soon yank it out from under their fans and break Ron's heart.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 08:45 PM

I imagine the Game 2 lineup will be:

SS - Rollins
CF - Victorino
2B - Utley
1B - Howard
LF - Burrell
DH - Stairs
RF - Werth
3B - Dobbs
C - Ruiz

They'll load up on lefties for Shields.

KingGeno

10-22-2008, 09:30 PM

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126/ragunax/stevephils.jpg

Hrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm. Win is a win! :D Good stuff!

I agree with the Dobbs DH call for tomorrow. Save Stairs for Garza, he'll challenge himself to crush all of his fast balls. Should be interesting.

K.C.

10-22-2008, 09:43 PM

I agree with the Dobbs DH call for tomorrow. Save Stairs for Garza, he'll challenge himself to crush all of his fast balls. Should be interesting.

Use both.

Dobbs at 3B, Stairs at DH.

Feliz was pretty good tonight, but his defense isn't as crucial with Myers on the mound.

KingGeno

10-22-2008, 09:45 PM

Should be interesting to see. Coste hasn't been hitting that well over the past few months. Stinks, but what can ya do.

I'm out. Tallk to ya tomorrow!

3 More. :thumbup:

skyscraper

10-23-2008, 05:01 AM

Use both.

Dobbs at 3B, Stairs at DH.

Feliz was pretty good tonight, but his defense isn't as crucial with Myers on the mound.

I say, let Myers bat! he has been hitting better than Howard and Rollins, and he likes to battle.
Why play the AL game if you don't have to?

skyscraper

10-23-2008, 05:04 AM

Genie Zelasko looks like she should be racing Sarah Jessica Parker in the Breeders Cup

I hate what you are trying to do with my phillies, but that line made me snarf my coffee. :laugh:

Furtherman

10-23-2008, 05:43 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/phillypretzel.jpg

hexy68

10-23-2008, 05:52 AM

keep focus Phils!...so far so good!...j roll and howard MUST get going...Myers needs a good 6-7 innings tonight...Capt Obvious signing off now :bye:

Freitag

10-23-2008, 06:17 AM

I only caught the tale end of it, but is the owner of Taco Bell an Aussie? I didn't see that coming.

Taco Bell is owned by Yum! Brands, which is an American company.

K.C.

10-23-2008, 06:22 AM

keep focus Phils!...so far so good!...j roll and howard MUST get going...Myers needs a good 6-7 innings tonight...Capt Obvious signing off now :bye:

Rollins will be fine. I'll chalk that up to rust.

Howard concerns me. His numbers were ok for the LCS, but he's had some horrible at-bats all through the playoffs, and his swing looks almost as bad as it did at the beginning of the year.

I'm not sure what he can even do at this point to snap out of it quickly enough.

KingGeno

10-23-2008, 06:30 AM

I agree. His eye is horrible. I don't know if it has to do with being over-anxious in such a big game though. We'll see what happens tonight. I am hoping that he will be more relaxed. I am sure that Milt will sit him down, talk to him about his problem, and make the big mo feel better. Maybe Milt will say "You could have had 5 RBI's like I did back in 93. You......do want to be a winner, right?".

tbagnu

10-23-2008, 07:26 AM

i agree also!! he looks exactly like he did in the begining of the year! he looks all dis-oriented!! out of balance!! fuck, what am i, a hitting coach!! see the ball, be the ball!! captain obvious here also!!

spoon

10-23-2008, 04:56 PM

True, and the Rays should win tomorrow, on paper.

Hell, they HAVE to win tomorrow, or this could be close to being over already.

But it's certainly not the slam dunk some of the media types made this matchup out to be before the series started.

Yet there will be 20 stories or so tomorrow saying Myers is awful on the road.

That's because they're not doing their homework. It's lazy writing.

Myers was arguably the worst pitcher in baseball from April to early July. (Hence the horrific season totals)

He was arguably one of the best in the NL from late July to the present.

Not a good start. You may have to change that "present" to NLCS.

spoon

10-23-2008, 04:57 PM

Big moment for Shields now. Howard got a fucking hit too!? :blink:

IamFogHat

10-23-2008, 05:01 PM

Shouldn't we be referring to the Phillies as the ********? Fuckin' jinxes we are anymore.

Marc with a c

10-23-2008, 05:08 PM

eek. that's pretty bad. i'll take it

King Hippos Bandaid

10-23-2008, 05:09 PM

nice, I have never seen an overturned strike call

sa weet, hope this fucks the fillies in the assess

spoon

10-23-2008, 05:14 PM

Shouldn't we be referring to the Phillies as the ********? Fuckin' jinxes we are anymore.

Nah, I have them picked to lose this game anyway.

hammersavage

10-23-2008, 05:59 PM

Werth having a bad all around game.

hammersavage

10-23-2008, 07:31 PM

Rollins FTL!

Marc with a c

10-23-2008, 07:32 PM

butch huskey is a terrible ump

epo

10-23-2008, 07:38 PM

Is Price really ready for the ninth? I guess it worked tonight...but I'm not sure about it.

King Hippos Bandaid

10-23-2008, 07:39 PM

1-1

this series needs to go 6, it has the making of a good world series

hopefully the Rays can unload on old man Moyer

K.C.

10-23-2008, 09:11 PM

Christ, how about a sac fly?

They left three runs on third base with one out in this game.

TheGameHHH

10-23-2008, 10:09 PM

Christ, how about a sac fly?

They left three runs on third base with one out in this game.

oh man, the 2008 New York Yankees were sooooo good at that.

spoon

10-24-2008, 12:28 AM

1-1

this series needs to go 6, it has the making of a good world series

hopefully the Rays can unload on old man Moyer

I can honestly say that if Moyer seems to pitch worse at home, and of late has looked awful. For the Phils to win this at home, they will have to win all three. Personally I think the Phils in 6 bc one of the next three TB pitchers come through, and the likely source is Garza. Blanton and Cole should get the series lead back, but it's so close. I feel pretty confident on most games, but the game 4 matchup is the closest and I can't truly feel if Blanton or Sonnanstine will win. I go with Blanton due to the home field advantage and not much more.

spoon

10-24-2008, 12:38 AM

Is Price really ready for the ninth? I guess it worked tonight...but I'm not sure about it.

Is he ready for the 9th, sure. The 7th, 8th and THEN the 9th, well that's another fucking story. Sure he's a starter by trade, but he's been bullpen material now for weeks. He basically only started one game in the majors since his call up, and freaking doubled his innings in the postseason in this last outing. Way to overuse your horse Maddon. I'm not so sure that was a good move regardless of the outcome. You have to use this kid again, and soon in the 9th, but I guess that means he's going with Balfour and or Wheeler next. We'll see.

spadanko

10-24-2008, 07:01 AM

oh man, the 2008 New York Mets were sooooo good at that.

fixed

K.C.

10-24-2008, 02:32 PM

RaysFever

10-24-2008, 06:48 PM

One down, three to go! Go Rays!

I lived in St. Pete for 6 years recently, and it takes time to gather a following, but a successful year will definitely get it going. It is stupid to talk shit about this team based on attendance. Only 10 year-olds have grown up with this team, no reason to talk shit to 10 year-olds.

mikeyboy

10-24-2008, 06:52 PM

I'm not afraid of a 10 year old. A lot of them? Sure, but that's another story.

RaysFever

10-24-2008, 06:54 PM

I'm not afraid of a 10 year old. A lot of them? Sure, but that's another story.

How many 10 year olds would it take...? Oh wait, wrong thread.

skyscraper

10-25-2008, 06:54 AM

There's been a lot of uneasiness today about last night's game.

But honestly, I'm not really concerned yet.

I'm not even sure I'd be completely concerned if they lost tomorrow. I could see them losing the Garza start tomorrow and then coming back and beating Sonnastine with Blanton, and Kazmir again with Hamels to head back to Tampa 3-2.

I have a hunch Moyer will pitch a pretty good game tomorrow. I'm not sure whether the bats will wake up, or wait another game, though.

At some point, I think we will get a couple 10-9 type games.

obviously I hope you're right. but Moyer has been poor in his playoff outings so far this year. the only losses we sustained in both series were on his hands.
I am not too worried yet, but if they lose tonight (or tomorrow if they get rained out tonight) then we're in trouble. I don't want to give back the home field advantage. Most people have predicted a 6 or 7-game series, but I don't know if my nerves can stand it. :ohmy:

K.C.

10-25-2008, 09:27 AM

obviously I hope you're right. but Moyer has been poor in his playoff outings so far this year. the only losses we sustained in both series were on his hands.
I am not too worried yet, but if they lose tonight (or tomorrow if they get rained out tonight) then we're in trouble. I don't want to give back the home field advantage. Most people have predicted a 6 or 7-game series, but I don't know if my nerves can stand it. :ohmy:

Actually I'm feeling even better about tonight after doing some research for a blog posting.

Garza was completely dominate at the Trop this year, but awful on the road, including getting lit up in his road start in the ALDS (his starts against Boston were both at home).

The Rays were 40-41 on the road this season, and BP had their run differential at only +11 on the road.

There's also a bunch of different splits that show the Rays as being a pretty impatient team on the road, something that may be even more pronounced in a small park like CBP, and in this situation.

Moyer wasn't great at home this year, but he was serviceable, and the Rays' weaknesses should play to his strengths.

So unless the Phillies lineup just goes in to complete shut down mode, this is the type of game they SHOULD win somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-5.