2009 Season - Defending WS Champion Philadelphia Phillies Thread

[DiabloSammich]

If you would have asked me at the beginning of the season what the Phils would need at the All Star break, another bat would have been way down the list.

[K.C.]

Well, Endy's a two-time loser.

[TheMojoPin]

He's better than he's pitched this season.

Not by much.

He's also always been an extreme flyball pitcher, even when he's been better, and that doesn't bode well at all at home.

[K.C.]

Not by much.

He's also always been an extreme flyball pitcher, even when he's been better, and that doesn't bode well at all at home.

I heard the same stuff about Moyer, who was like 2-10 with a 6 ERA.

People overrate the effect of that ballpark dramatically.

[TheMojoPin]

I heard the same stuff about Moyer, who was like 2-10 with a 6 ERA.

People overrate the effect of that ballpark dramatically.

I'm not sure if we can really compare Blanton and Moyer at this point...or ever.

[Kevin]

I'm not sure if we can really compare Blanton and Moyer at this point...or ever.

Nope.. Not really..

[K.C.]

My point is people need to relax on this "he has a bad ERA and he's going to a PITCHER'S PARK!!!!"

He's also going to the National League, he's also going to a team that should (hopefully) give him better run support, and who knows whether working with a new pitching coach and catcher changes anything.

The bottom line is it doesn't always line up.

The guy throws a lot of innings and is better than Eaton at this point, so I'll take him.

[Kevin]

My point is people need to relax on this "he has a bad ERA and he's going to a PITCHER'S PARK!!!!"

He's also going to the National League, he's also going to a team that should (hopefully) give him better run support, and who knows whether working with a new pitching coach and catcher changes anything.

The bottom line is it doesn't always line up.

The guy throws a lot of innings and is better than Eaton at this point, so I'll take him.

Sidney Ponson is better than Eaton at this point. You are again not saying much there..

5 runs a game in the AL.. And so far.. 5 runs a game in the NL..

[K.C.]

5 runs a game in the AL.. And so far.. 5 runs a game in the NL..

Yeah, because that's a big sample size for the NL.

Let's just see works out.

[K.C.]

FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKING METS!!!!!

:clap::clap::clap::clap:








(shhhh...I thought this game was over).

[Kevin]

This has got to be a huge win for you KC.

One thing about your team under Uncle Charlie. They never give up.

[K.C.]

This is such a gimmie, but if the Phils hold on, I'll take.

I don't know how the fuck Jerry Manuel didn't stay with Santana. He made these Phillies hitters look like garbage.

[Kevin]

This is such a gimmie, but if the Phils hold on, I'll take.

I don't know how the fuck Jerry Manuel didn't stay with Santana. He made these Phillies hitters look like garbage.

At least start the inning, see how it goes.

[K.C.]

This has got to be a huge win for you KC.

One thing about your team under Uncle Charlie. They never give up.


Best win of the year if they hold on.

Charlie used his whole bench this inning, too. Big hit from Dobbs. Big hit from Taguchi. He really did a bang up job.

And people say he's mildly retarded because he talks like a hayseed, but Charlie always has his team playing hard for him.

[KingGeno]

That was some lazy play from the Mets. Good job hitting, Phils! :clap::clap:

[K.C.]

Lights Out!

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Best win of the year. Now don't shit the bed like you did after you beat Santana last series.

[tbagnu]

to sorta quote davey mac..."eat the dick mets!! eat the dick!!":clap:

[scottinnj]

Lights Out!

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/3bc5c74d-de05-4a19-84e3-9ba713515f21_mn.jpg


Best win of the year. Now don't shit the bed like you did after you beat Santana last series.


LIGHTS OUT!!!! GUERILLA RADIO! TURN THAT SHIT UP!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

My point is people need to relax on this "he has a bad ERA and he's going to a PITCHER'S PARK!!!!"

That's not what I said at all.

I said he's a flyball pitcher going to a hitter's park.

[K.C.]

That's not what I said at all.

I said he's a flyball pitcher going to a hitter's park.


I get what you're saying.

I just think there's a lot more positives in play with Blanton, than negatives.

He is by no means a slam dunk, because of what you point out, and could end up being Adam Eaton 2.0, but having seen the guy pitch five or six times this year, I see where this guy could come in and give them an ERA between 4.00-4.20 for the next two and a half seasons.

With the Phillies' offense, that could be 15 wins a year.

[TheMojoPin]

I get what you're saying.

I just think there's a lot more positives in play with Blanton, than negatives.

He is by no means a slam dunk, because of what you point out, and could end up being Adam Eaton 2.0, but having seen the guy pitch five or six times this year, I see where this guy could come in and give them an ERA between 4.00-4.20 for the next two and a half seasons.

With the Phillies' offense, that could be 15 wins a year.

It's no coincidence one of the pitchers he most compares to is Jason Marquis.

Look, almost every team has these guys, but all they do is eat innings. Their W/L record has, as with every pitcher, next to nothing to do with how well they pitch.

[scottinnj]

I get what you're saying.

I just think there's a lot more positives in play with Blanton, than negatives.

He is by no means a slam dunk, because of what you point out, and could end up being Adam Eaton 2.0, but having seen the guy pitch five or six times this year, I see where this guy could come in and give them an ERA between 4.00-4.20 for the next two and a half seasons.

With the Phillies' offense, that could be 15 wins a year.

Which means we can't get any worse, but if he is just as bad as Eaton, we'll just be spending more in payroll for the same result.


<-------Was Not Impressed Tonight.

[K.C.]

It's no coincidence one of the pitchers he most compares to is Jason Marquis.

Look, almost every team has these guys, but all they do is eat innings. Their W/L record has, as with every pitcher, next to nothing to do with how well they pitch.

True.

But Blanton is only 27. He's just entering his prime years. It's not out of the question that this guy improves from year to year as well.

W/L record isn't the measure of a pitcher, but if Blanton keeps his ERA between 4.00 and 4.20, I'll be satisfied and say it was a successful trade.


Tonight, he was a bit wild. The HR ball to Delgado I'll give him a pass on, since he actually struck Delgado out on the pitch before when the replay showed his bat went around, and it wasn't a horrible pitch.

The ball he hung to Castro was horribly thrown.


That said, I see the potential there. I think with Rich Dubee and Jamie Moyer working with him, he'll become a more efficient pitcher.

And at the very least, moving the to NL is generally worth 0.50 off the ERA.

[K.C.]

I think it's time to hop aboard the souuuuuuuuuuuuuulllll train again with this glorious victory, and 'The Sound of Philadelphia'

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[scottinnj]

Hell Yeah!

Can you dig it?

[Kevin]

Hell Yeah!

Can you dig it?

Sucka!

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[Friday]

hehe

[tbagnu]

hehe

right back at ya!!

[scottinnj]

nice play by j-roll. looks like its gonna be a slugfest tonight.

[K.C.]

Well, Myers has gone from throwing everything down the middle of the plate to nothing over the plate.

At least that approach is boring some of the Mets hitters into finally swinging at bad pitches.

[K.C.]

Reyes in getting a fastball in the head before the end of this series.

What kind of jackass hits a home run and runs around the bases holding up his hand giving a nice "I'm #1" sign.

Act like you've been there before.

[scottinnj]

Did Charlie plan on losing tonight's game? There is no way, NO WAY I would be starting Myers against the Mets in such a critical series. Then when he shits the bed, he puts in Madsen? At best against the Mets he has a 2.98 ERA, and he's usually in the low 3.00s.

Tonights game was lost by Manuel. I know Maine isn't much better then Myers for the head-to-head comparisons, but just because the other team puts in a shitty pitcher doesn't mean you have to do the same.

[Towelie]

Reyes in getting a fastball in the head before the end of this series.

What kind of jackass hits a home run and runs around the bases holding up his hand giving a nice "I'm #1" sign.

Act like you've been there before.

http://www.itsalreadysigned4u.com/shop/media/images/product_detail/aaa-75589.jpg

I know Maine isn't much better then Myers for the head-to-head comparisons, but just because the other team puts in a shitty pitcher doesn't mean you have to do the same.

Dumb. Just dumb.

[hexy68]

JRoll scratched from this afternoons game

[K.C.]

Werth, baby!

That ball was SMOKED!

[Knowledged_one]

JRoll scratched from this afternoons game

has there been an explanation why he was scratched? He's on my fantasy squad and im curious if he re-aggravated one of his nagging injuries

[K.C.]

ah, fuck.

[Friday]

oh hai! :bye:

[hammersavage]

A disaster of a 9th away from a sweep. It's gonna be a fight to the finish but this was a step in the right direction for the Mets.

[KingGeno]

Weak sauce.

[Friday]

Weak sauce.

delicious!

:smoke:

[PigShitIrish]

has there been an explanation why he was scratched? He's on my fantasy squad and im curious if he re-aggravated one of his nagging injuries

this is fucking weak on Jimmy's part! (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/07/24/2008-07-24_phillies_bench_jimmy_rollins_after_mvp_s.html)

[KingGeno]

He's been doing this shit all season. He is slacking off for some reason.

Dunno what his fucking problem is, but he is either not happy with being on the team, not happy with Charlie Manuel, or just a lazy fuckface.

[scottinnj]

And the downward spiral to dead last begins.

Pitching sucks

Manuel's pitching lineup sucks.

The bats went to sleep.

And we got beat by the Mets in a 3 game series.

We suck.

[K.C.]

To be honest, I don't really know what the fix is for this team.

If you go up and down the lineup, it's difficult to finger exactly who the problem is.
-Utley, Howard, and Burrell have all done their fair share. Utley's been down a little in the last month or so but he's still productive.
-Feliz is what he you expected.
-The Werth/Jenkins platoon has actually probably produced about as well as Aaron Rowand would have.
-Ruiz has been a disappointment, but can you really lay the failure of an offense on the eight hole hitter?

I guess it'd have to be Rollins. He's really the one guy that's drastically underperformed this year.

And in that regard, I don't know that any move you make is exactly going to fix the situation if he doesn't get hot.

If you look at the numbers, you officially can't blame the Phillies' pitching anymore. They've done their job.

It's on the hitters now, and specifically it's on Jimmy.

He has to put the team on his back like he did last year. He does, and they'll be fine.

He doesn't...you're probably going to see much of the same.

With the pitching matchups they have, I expect them to lay in to Atlanta this weekend. If they can't pull it off, I would say Gillick's going to have to think long and hard about what, if anything, he can do to fix that lineup.

And it's not exactly an easy thing to do.

[K.C.]

Xavier Nady pulled from the Pirates lineup tonight. Suspected to have been traded. No indication of where to.

[cougarjake13]

Xavier Nady pulled from the Pirates lineup tonight. Suspected to have been traded. No indication of where to.

wow


how many threads did you post this ??

[K.C.]

wow


how many threads did you post this ??


All of them, but the right one.

:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

All of them, but the right one.

:wallbash:



haha


you didnt know at the time its ok

[K.C.]

This is what we call an implosion.

It's almost kind of amazing to watch how consistently they've done nothing right. They get good pitching, they can barely scratch out two runs.

They spot a few runs, and the pitching magically falls apart.

These douchebags will fall six or seven out and lull everyone to sleep, and then will get hot late, playing catchup, and just miss.

This is more akin to a '05 or '06 Phillies team, than last year's.

[K.C.]

This is what we call an implosion.

It's almost kind of amazing to watch how consistently they've done nothing right. They get good pitching, they can barely scratch out two runs.

They spot a few runs, and the pitching magically falls apart.

These douchebags will fall six or seven out and lull everyone to sleep, and then will get hot late, playing catchup, and just miss.

This is more akin to a '05 or '06 Phillies team, than last year's.


Wow, it's like they heard my drunken pleas. Seven run 5th!

:thumbup::clap::clap::clap:

[spadanko]

Reyes in getting a fastball in the head before the end of this series.

What kind of jackass hits a home run and runs around the bases holding up his hand giving a nice "I'm #1" sign.

Act like you've been there before.


ok, sorry I was away when this went down. How come it was ok for Victorino to go nuts waving his arms in front of reyes at the play at second, and THEN when he scored the run he just stood on home plate. How is that ok? Your thinking, Victorino should get drilled too

[K.C.]

ok, sorry I was away when this went down. How come it was ok for Victorino to go nuts waving his arms in front of reyes at the play at second, and THEN when he scored the run he just stood on home plate. How is that ok? Your thinking, Victorino should get drilled too

There's a huge difference. Victorino was arguing for the call. You want to say he looked stupid doing it, that's fine. It shouldn't bother anyone any more than any other player or manager arguing for a call.

Reyes is ridiculous. The guy has accomplished exactly nothing yet, and while he's an extremely talented player, he's constantly showing up his teammates, showing up the other team, or pouting about something.

The Phillies should throw at him, but my guess is that they probably won't. A lot of the old style baseball justice is just finished. Guys barely throw inside, let alone throw at guys. That's kind of why I miss Bowa. He wouldn't have even wasted time telling a pitcher to throw at him. He would have ran out on the field and tried to choke Reyes himself. Larry's a maniac.


P.S.: They should throw at Delgado, too. I'm sick of his stupid act where every time a pitcher throws at the inside corner, he stares daggers back at them, as if the pitcher is guilty of attempted assault by putting a ball there. Just shut up and stand in the batter's box.

[tbagnu]

amen to both of your recent "rants" kc!! that reyes home run sticks in my arse like anything!! just what the eff is he number one at? bonehead fielding plays? what an arse!! i expect the rest of the season to be quite a doozie!! here is to head-hunting!!:clap:

[sailor]

kc, i didn't see the game, but it sounds like spadanko is mentioning two separate victorino actions and you've only explained away one. just curious if that was an oversight or if i misread it or what.

[K.C.]

kc, i didn't see the game, but it sounds like spadanko is mentioning two separate victorino actions and you've only explained away one. just curious if that was an oversight or if i misread it or what.

To be fair, I don't remember the other one, despite watching the game.

Victorino does that stuff a little bit, too, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did it.

I still don't think it's quite as bad as the 'I'm #1' Home Run trot. And Victorino doesn't have nearly the track record Reyes does at doing this stuff.

[K.C.]

Phillies rumored to be looking at Ramirez:


MOVING MANN?
BOSOX MAY DEAL RAMIREZ TO PHILS
By JOEL SHERMAN and MIKE PUMA
Posted: 3:56 am
July 27, 2008

BOSTON - Infuriated yet again that they are dealing with a four-alarm "Manny being Manny" moment, the Red Sox plan to investigate potential deals for Manny Ramirez between now and the July 31 trade deadline, sources said last night.

The Mets already have checked in on Ramirez, with whom GM Omar Minaya is infatuated. However, sources said the Mets' No. 1 nemesis, the Phillies, have the best chance to trade for Ramirez because Philadelphia manager Charlie Manuel has perhaps the strongest relationship with him of anyone in the majors.

Manuel was Ramirez's hitting coach with the Indians from 1994-99 and his manager in Cleveland in 2000, and the two have remained close.

Mets officials have indicated they do not want to invest the time or money to track Ramirez, a player they have pursued heavily before and failed to land. They do, however, need a corner outfield bat with pop, preferably right-handed, and Ramirez fills that description.

The Red Sox are more likely to retain Ramirez and then not pick up his $20 million 2009 option. If they do deal him, they are determined not to move him to an AL club that could threaten either Boston's playoff chances or which the Red Sox could face in the postseason.

Arizona is known to have some interest, as well, but officials from other teams say the Diamondbacks seem more committed to pursuing the potentially available Braves first baseman Mark Teixeira than anyone else. Besides, with 10-and-5 rights, Ramirez can refuse any trade and the belief is he might not accept a trade to anywhere but Philadelphia. To agree to be moved, Ramirez almost certainly would demand a contract extension or the written promise that his option will not be picked up, which would make him a free agent after the season.

Boston manager Terry Francona admitted there is unease again with Ramirez. A day after the left fielder removed himself from the starting lineup against the Yanks New York Yankees , citing a sore right knee, Ramirez was back at cleanup in Boston's 10-3 loss yesterday.

There were rumblings Ramirez simply didn't feel like playing Friday (he had also missed Wednesday's game in Seattle, citing the knee). Ramirez avoided reporters before yesterday's game.

"We had a little bit of a misunderstanding this week," Francona said, "there is no way to get around that."

One published report said Ramirez would have been suspended by the team had he removed himself from yesterday's lineup. Before Friday's game, Francona was seen huddling with ownership in his office. The manager refused to divulge what was discussed, but didn't dismiss the idea Ramirez would have been suspended had he removed himself from yesterday's lineup.

Last week, Ramirez angered team management by saying he didn't believe he was being treated fairly.


A couple things on this:

-I still don't think Manny will be traded.

-The Phillies would be able to put together a better package than the Mets if he were to be traded, BUT...Burrell and Manny in LF and RF respectively MAY be the worst outfield defense in the majors. It's tempting to consider but there's just nowhere to play him.

[K.C.]

It'll be at least until 5 PM when this game comes back, looking at the radar.

And honestly, this one might get rained out altogether. It's going to be an absolute downpour for the next two and a half or three hours.

With an off day tomorrow, they might just make it up.

[spadanko]

To be fair, I don't remember the other one, despite watching the game.

Victorino does that stuff a little bit, too, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did it.

I still don't think it's quite as bad as the 'I'm #1' Home Run trot. And Victorino doesn't have nearly the track record Reyes does at doing this stuff.

the arm waiving thing by victorino didn't raelly bother me, so i respect your answer on that one, but when he scored he stood on home plate and stared into the Mets dugout. but at least you acknoledge Shane does stuff like that. Just like I do think Reyes does take it too far sometimes. But i still attribute SOME of it to him being a baby still

as for Delgado, the guy has been in the league forever and in an intimidating SOB. it's oart of his aura (sp?)


As for Manny, this was a Joel Sherman column. So i take it for what it is worth... a piece of shit. Who would they deal?

[cougarjake13]

i could care less what reyes does as long as he's playing well and if he needs to get himself going by doing shit like that then so be it, as long as he recognizes the other team will at some time get back at him

[JackBurton Says]

i could care less what reyes does as long as he's playing well and if he needs to get himself going by doing shit like that then so be it, as long as he recognizes the other team will at some time get back at him

Wrong thread dummy

[K.C.]

Victorino just knocked Brian McCann the FUCK out

[cougarjake13]

Wrong thread dummy

i figured it was backwards day


theres a bunch of mets talk in the phillies thread and a bunch of phillies trade talk in the mets thread

[Kevin]

Wrong thread dummy


How is it the wrong thread when Reyes has been brought up so much in this thread?

[cougarjake13]

How is it the wrong thread when Reyes has been brought up so much in this thread?

yeh and i just didnt feel like quoting the ten posts that made me make my point

[Kevin]

yeh and i just didnt feel like quoting the ten posts that made me make my point

Example of wrong thread dummy..


Yankees have really fucked up the Redsox this weekend..

[DiabloSammich]

Yankees have really fucked up the Redsox this weekend..

Wrong thread.....



dummy.

[Kevin]

Wrong thread.....



dummy.


Don't you have a lawn to mow?

[DiabloSammich]

Don't you have a lawn to mow?



Your mom's.


POW!

[cougarjake13]

Your mom's.


POW!

nice !!!!!!

[Kevin]

Your mom's.


POW!


POW? You ruin a great comeback by saying POW?

[K.C.]

As for Manny, this was a Joel Sherman column. So i take it for what it is worth... a piece of shit. Who would they deal?

It sounds like the Red Sox were looking for one legitimate blue chip prospect so it either be Carlos Carrasco or Lou Marson on the Phillies' end.

But it just doesn't make sense. You can't have a defensive outfield with both Burrell and Manny.

And you wouldn't trade Burrell to get Manny...Burrell's actually been the better player this year.


I really can't see the Phillies even entertaining it. My bet is that rumor came from someone affiliated with Manny's agent, who laid it out there that he would have interest in playing for Charlie Manuel.

It didn't come from the Phillies.


If the Phillies make a significant lineup move, it's either going to be for Matt Holliday (who is almost a lock to not be traded now, now that the Rockies are on the cusp of being in the NL West race) or Jason Bay.

I don't really see either of those happening as well.


Both the Phillies and Mets look like they missed the boat on outfielders when the Yanks got Nady. He was the one impact guy that'll probably be dealt, that could have been had at a reasonable price.

A Raul Ibanez or Randy Winn still may be dealt, but they're hardly impact players at this point.

[spadanko]

I have a feeling the big deadline deals are alrady made

[BoondockSaint]

The Phils should trade for the Tidy Bowl man to clean up that shit team.

[K.C.]

The Phils should trade for the Tidy Bowl man to clean up that shit team.

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/2/21286/39_2007/picture-frame-nl-east-champ.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/2/21286/39_2007/picture-frame-nl-east-champ.jpg

Keep living in the past, if that what helps you sleep at night.

[K.C.]

Keep living in the past, if that what helps you sleep at night.

Since when is being the defending champion of the division 'living in the past?'

They're the champs until someone takes it from them.



Besides, if I wanted to live in the past, I'd have used this picture:

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/t_29677_01.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

Since when is being the defending champion of the division 'living in the past?'

They're the champs until someone takes it from them.



Besides, if I wanted to live in the past, I'd have used this picture:

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/t_29677_01.jpg

The team that blew it in World Series? Well, the Mets have a more recent one.

[K.C.]

Eaton could be DFA

Happ leaving the IronPigs for Phillies?
by Nick Fierro
Sunday July 27, 2008, 8:24 PM

IronPigs left-hander J.A. Happ was pulled from his start at Richmond today after 2 2/3 scoreless innings and 41 total pitches. Whenever something like that happens in the minor leagues, it's almost always the result of a promotion or a trade.

In Happ's case, we've heard from a source that it's a promotion to the Phillies. Happ made two starts for the Phillies before the all-star break before being sent back to Triple-A. At the time, the plan was to bring him back for at least one more start after the break, but the trade for Joe Blanton changed all that.

Reached by phone minutes ago, Happ said he hadn't heard official word about any kind of move.

But after today's 12-10 win over Atlanta, Phillies reliever Adam Eaton was called into manager Charlie Manuel's office for a chat. The Phillies now are expected to reassign or cut either Eaton or Rudy Seanez to make room for Happ.

"Until I actually get a phone call that tells me it's happening, I don't feel I can comment," said Happ, who did confirm that he was not pulled from his start due to injury or illness. "Obviously I'd like to be up there, but they haven't made any move yet."


I'd be a little surprised if they cut Rudy Seanez. He's been decent. He's also kind of hurt, though, so it wouldn't surprise me if he landed on the DL.

I think Eaton's the goner, though.

[BoondockSaint]

Oh no, not Eaton! Wait, never mind, fat ass Blanton can do all the eaton necessary.

[Kevin]

Oh no, not Eaton! Wait, never mind, fat ass Blanton can do all the eaton necessary.

YOU WISH YOU HAD THAT 5-12 5 ERA ON YOUR DAMN TEAM!!!

ADMIT IT!

[BoondockSaint]

YOU WISH YOU HAD THAT 5-12 5 ERA ON YOUR DAMN TEAM!!!

ADMIT IT!

If we wanted a fat guy we could bring back Sid Fernandez and he'd have 4 ERA.

[Kevin]

If we wanted a fat guy we could bring back Sid Fernandez and he'd have 4 ERA.

I Hear KC is ecstatic about the Rumors of Ponson being released by the Yanks and signing with Philly.

[BoondockSaint]

I Hear KC is ecstatic about the Rumors of Ponson being released by the Yanks and signing with Philly.

I don't know if KC is but the local KFC is.

[K.C.]

YOU WISH YOU HAD THAT 5-12 5 ERA ON YOUR DAMN TEAM!!!

ADMIT IT!

After switching leagues, he is officially 0-0.

So take your 5-12 back to that stupid DH rule in that Arena Baseball League.


...Aaaaaaannnnnnddd....the Phillies are 2-0 in his starts. Don't bother looking up these so-called 'statistics' like ERA, hits allowed, and walks in those two starts.

Just take my word for it. He's GOOD!!

[K.C.]

Phillies send Eaton to minor leagues

By SCOTT LAUBER
The News Journal

PHILADELPHIA -- Adam Eaton has accepted an assignment to the Phillies' minor league system, the team announced today. The Phillies haven't decided at which level the struggling right-hander will begin his assignment.

Eaton, who signed a three-year, $24.5 million contract before last season, was 4-8 with a 5.80 ERA in 21 games (19 starts) for the Phillies. He was moved to the bullpen 10 days ago after the Phillies traded for Joe Blanton, and he has made only two relief appearances. In his most recent outing, Sunday against the Braves, he allowed three runs in the fourth inning against the Braves.

Last season, Eaton posted a 6.29 ERA that was among the worst in baseball.

Because he has spent at least five seasons in the majors, Eaton had to a right to refuse the assignment. He's the second member of the Phillies' season-opening starting rotation to accept a minor-league assignment. Brett Myers spent three weeks in the minors earlier this month.

The Phillies will announce a corresponding roster move before Tuesday night's game in Washington, but it's likely they will recall left-hander J.A. Happ from Class AAA Lehigh Valley. Happ was lifted from a start Sunday after throwing only 41 pitches in 2-2/3 innings. Happ would likely be used as a situational lefty out of the bullpen.

I guess they're determined to get their $24 million's worth out of him. Minors...DFA...who cares as long as he's gone.

[Kevin]

After switching leagues, he is officially 0-0.

So take your 5-12 back to that stupid DH rule in that Arena Baseball League.


...Aaaaaaannnnnnddd....the Phillies are 2-0 in his starts. Don't bother looking up these so-called 'statistics' like ERA, hits allowed, and walks in those two starts.

Just take my word for it. He's GOOD!!



2 innings? really? that is how long he lasted?

So in 8 inn of work, he has given up 8 runs on 11 hits..

Yea.. he is FANTASTIC

[K.C.]

2 innings? really? that is how long he lasted?

So in 8 inn of work, he has given up 8 runs on 11 hits..

Yea.. he is FANTASTIC


I told you NOT to use statistics!!!

He's GOOD! :unsure:

[spadanko]

alot ot give up

Posted by Jayson Stark
Left-handed reliever Ron Mahay could be on the verge of heading to the Phillies.

According to clubs that have been speaking with the Royals, they've been having extensive conversations with the Phillies about a trade that would send Mahay to Philadelphia for shortstop prospect Jason Donald, a member of the U.S. Olympic baseball team.

It's believed that as many as 10 teams have contacted the Royals about Mahay, who is signed for next year at $4 million. Most of them have come away with the impression that the Royals aren't motivated to trade him. But in Donald, the Phillies have a commodity for which Kansas City has been searching aggressively. So the fit appears better with the Phillies than with any of the other teams on the Royals' list.

[KingGeno]

Interesting deal they bring up. I think that they are gonna see how that jerkoff bum Myers pitches tonight, and probably move his punk ass to the bullpen or elsewhere. They recalled J.A. Happ earlier today to take Adam Eaton's spot on the roster.

See what happens.

Speaking of fuckface prick Myers, did anyone see Milt Thompson's dugout interview from Saturday's game? Myers was sitting behind him while the interview was going on, and he tossed a handful of sunflower seeds at him on LIVE TV. I would have threatened his punk asshole life after that interview for doing that. I hate Myers.

[spadanko]

well Stark changed his tune

A source with knowledge of the Phillies' trading discussions now says they're "not close" to any deal for left-handed reliever Ron Mahay. They plan to continue to explore all their left-handed relief options.

[Kevin]

Interesting deal they bring up. I think that they are gonna see how that jerkoff bum Myers pitches tonight, and probably move his punk ass to the bullpen or elsewhere. They recalled J.A. Happ earlier today to take Adam Eaton's spot on the roster.

See what happens.

Speaking of fuckface prick Myers, did anyone see Milt Thompson's dugout interview from Saturday's game? Myers was sitting behind him while the interview was going on, and he tossed a handful of sunflower seeds at him on LIVE TV. I would have threatened his punk asshole life after that interview for doing that. I hate Myers.
Come Met fans show a little creativity next time Myers pitches at Shea. BEAT YOUR WIFE MYERS BEAT YOUR WIFE.

[KingGeno]

Come Met fans show a little creativity next time Myers pitches at Shea. BEAT YOUR WIFE MYERS BEAT YOUR WIFE.

Don't care what team he is on. He is an arrogant punk who lacks talent, and is a pussy punk that beats women. I'd take a trash can to his face.

[spadanko]

Don't care what team he is on. He is an arrogant punk who lacks talent, and is a pussy punk that beats women. I'd take a trash can to his face.

i like how you think

CHEERS!!

:drunk:

[KingGeno]

Good game so far.

What the hell happened to La Duca? He looks like a fat out of shape limping pig. Jeez...

[cougarjake13]

Good game so far.

What the hell happened to La Duca? He looks like a fat out of shape limping pig. Jeez...

guess he's still pissed about not being a met anymore and with all the losing he forgot how to put the fork down

[cougarjake13]

Since when is being the defending champion of the division 'living in the past?'

They're the champs until someone takes it from them.



Besides, if I wanted to live in the past, I'd have used this picture:

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/t_29677_01.jpg



hmmm

i woulda posted the 80 phillies world series WINNERS

if you were gonna be livin in the past

[K.C.]

Don't care what team he is on. He is an arrogant punk who lacks talent, and is a pussy punk that beats women. I'd take a trash can to his face.

It's not his fault she got lippy. He just had to put her in her place.


And he's DEALING tonight! Yay Myers!

[K.C.]

Lights Out!

http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/news/bct/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/image3964931.jpg


Great win for the Phils, great game by Myers. He was dead on and looked unbelievable.

[K.C.]

Mad Dog shuts down possible deal to Phillies
July 30, 2008
By Scott Miller
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

The Philadelphia Phillies' search for pitching took them to San Diego on Tuesday, where they inquired whether Greg Maddux would approve a deal. Maddux, who has full no-trade powers, nixed the idea when asked by the Padres.

San Diego general manager Kevin Towers told CBSSports.com that there was no trade in place. The Phillies apparently were simply gauging whether they would be wasting their time if they engaged the Padres in talks for the right-hander with 351 career victories.

Maddux was given a sentimental standing ovation upon departing Monday's series opener against Arizona by Petco Park fans and uncharacteristically waved his cap to acknowledge them, both sides knowing that it could be his final appearance in a San Diego uniform.

The pitcher preferred not to discuss trade specifics, or speculation, on Tuesday. Characteristically, he said he's simply preparing for his next scheduled start, on Saturday against San Francisco.

The Padres, meanwhile, are operating under the philosophy that he would only approve a trade to a West Coast club -- and, so far, the Los Angeles Dodgers have not shown any interest. The Los Angeles Angels are one of the few contenders not seeking pitching.

Speaking generally, Maddux, in his inimitable style, quipped: "If I was 25 years old, single, had no family, no kids, I'd go play on the North Pole."

The Phillies, who already this month have acquired starter Joe Blanton from Oakland, continue to scrounge for pitching help. In addition to inquiring about Maddux's availability, they have been talking with Kansas City about reliever Ron Mahay, Baltimore regarding closer George Sherrill, Colorado about closer Brian Fuentes and Pittsburgh regarding lefty reliever John Grabow.

San Diego, which already has dealt Randy Wolf to Houston, is listening on Maddux and outfielder Brian Giles.

"They're not getting anything back as far as players," one NL executive said. "They're just interested in saving money."

Meh...that's expected.


Rays Scouting Jayson Werth
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 10:49am CST]

Mike Tingle of ESPN 840 in Charlottesville spoke to Rays scout Mike Cubbage yesterday. Cubbage said that he plans to scout Phillies outfielder Jayson Werth, and that Werth may be available in the right deal. Werth, 29, is hitting .272/.358/.485 in 268 plate appearances (most of the damage done against lefties).

Additionally, the Rays offered a package of players for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte but the Bucs chose the Yankees' offer. The Rays also looked at Jon Rauch previously, though he was not at the top of their list. And of course, the Rays would like to acquire Brian Fuentes.


That's a little interesting. I can't really see a scenario in which the Phillies would trade Werth, that wouldn't involve them trading for an additional right handed outfield bat.

I wonder if the Rays are keeping tabs in terms of an offseason deal.

[spadanko]

as much as it pains me to say it, i like werth (as a player) a lot.

[KingGeno]

Same here. I just can't see what deal the Phils can make that won't bother me.

[K.C.]

Same here. I just can't see what deal the Phils can make that won't bother me.

The one bit of speculation that made a little sense to me was that they flip Werth to the D-Rays for Dan Wheeler, and then flip Wheeler and either Marson or Golson to the Red Sox for Manny.

But I would think the Red Sox would have more interest in Werth than another reliever, so that doesn't make a ton of sense.


I don't see Werth getting dealt unless it for a guy like Manny or Holliday. It just makes no sense.

I think Tampa's more likely scouting him to see if they can pick him up in the offseason.

[KingGeno]

Manny........Hell of a player, money whore though....

Perhaps Burrell can be included in a big three team trade if we were to get Manny.

I can't see the Phils getting Manny though.

[K.C.]

Manny........Hell of a player, money whore though....

Perhaps Burrell can be included in a big three team trade if we were to get Manny.

I can't see the Phils getting Manny though.

I wouldn't trade Burrell for Manny.

I'd rather have Burrell at this point.

[KingGeno]

I wouldn't trade Burrell for Manny.

I'd rather have Burrell at this point.

Ditto. Manny is way too much money.

[DOHO@HOME]

Manny is a huge fuckin asshole to deal with and if it's not his way look out he becomes the little boy that he is at thirty eight year old.
Good ball hitter but huge fuckin problem for the ball club.
Manny being Manny:wallbash:

[K.C.]

as much as it pains me to say it, i like werth (as a player) a lot.

He plays good defense, and he's killing left-handed pitching.

If he can raise his average like 20-25 points against right-handers, he'll be a very good everyday player.

I think he's the Phils' everyday right fielder in 2009.

Jenkins will move to left, and they'll sign someone to platoon with him there.

Burrell's likely gone.

[K.C.]

The newest front-runner to acquire our favorite rumormongering player, Man-Ram: YOUR Florida Marlins.

Actually, this is the first rumor I've heard that makes sense. They're still sitting on Cameron Maybin, so moving Hermida for a two month rental of Manny would be palatable.

Florida's done this type of stuff before, and you know they'd love the two draft picks for Manny.


It almost makes too much sense. No doubt in my mind that Florida instantly becomes the class of the NL East if they pulled it off.

[cougarjake13]

Mad Dog shuts down possible deal to Phillies
July 30, 2008
By Scott Miller
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

The Philadelphia Phillies' search for pitching took them to San Diego on Tuesday, where they inquired whether Greg Maddux would approve a deal. Maddux, who has full no-trade powers, nixed the idea when asked by the Padres.

San Diego general manager Kevin Towers told CBSSports.com that there was no trade in place. The Phillies apparently were simply gauging whether they would be wasting their time if they engaged the Padres in talks for the right-hander with 351 career victories.

Maddux was given a sentimental standing ovation upon departing Monday's series opener against Arizona by Petco Park fans and uncharacteristically waved his cap to acknowledge them, both sides knowing that it could be his final appearance in a San Diego uniform.

The pitcher preferred not to discuss trade specifics, or speculation, on Tuesday. Characteristically, he said he's simply preparing for his next scheduled start, on Saturday against San Francisco.

The Padres, meanwhile, are operating under the philosophy that he would only approve a trade to a West Coast club -- and, so far, the Los Angeles Dodgers have not shown any interest. The Los Angeles Angels are one of the few contenders not seeking pitching.

Speaking generally, Maddux, in his inimitable style, quipped: "If I was 25 years old, single, had no family, no kids, I'd go play on the North Pole."

The Phillies, who already this month have acquired starter Joe Blanton from Oakland, continue to scrounge for pitching help. In addition to inquiring about Maddux's availability, they have been talking with Kansas City about reliever Ron Mahay, Baltimore regarding closer George Sherrill, Colorado about closer Brian Fuentes and Pittsburgh regarding lefty reliever John Grabow.

San Diego, which already has dealt Randy Wolf to Houston, is listening on Maddux and outfielder Brian Giles.

"They're not getting anything back as far as players," one NL executive said. "They're just interested in saving money."




Meh...that's expected.

.



i can understand that from a year long perspective
but for 2 months and a possible playoff run he cant move away from his family ??

guess he doesnt want another shot at a ring, i mean in a yr or 2 he'll be retired and he'll have all the time in the world

[NickyL0885]

The newest front-runner to acquire our favorite rumormongering player, Man-Ram: YOUR Florida Marlins.

Actually, this is the first rumor I've heard that makes sense. They're still sitting on Cameron Maybin, so moving Hermida for a two month rental of Manny would be palatable.

Florida's done this type of stuff before, and you know they'd love the two draft picks for Manny.


It almost makes too much sense. No doubt in my mind that Florida instantly becomes the class of the NL East if they pulled it off.

I just dont trust the marlins young pitching. they dont have the experience of being in a tight pennant race and come september i think they will just be spoilers if anything.

[K.C.]

I just dont trust the marlins young pitching. they dont have the experience of being in a tight pennant race and come september i think they will just be spoilers if anything.

I'd like to think that, but they did the same thing when they contended in '03 and their young pitching held up then.

Plus they suddenly have a wealth of pitchers with Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez back.

One or two of their pitchers falter...they've got options now.

The Fish would be awfully, awfully tough with Manny being added. They're tough enough already.

[K.C.]

Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah, baby! 7-3 Phillies...5-1 Marlins. First Place! First Place! First Place!


We're baaaaaaaaaaaaack!

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[K.C.]

Damn you, Marlins!

Don't ruin my dreams of retaking 1st place tonight!

[KingGeno]

Ah, K.C.

I share your optimism, but I hope you didn't just mook it. :tongue:

[Kevin]

Damn you, Marlins!

Don't ruin my dreams of retaking 1st place tonight!


When is the fabulous Joe Blanton pitching again?

[KingGeno]

Aaaww. Poor Mets. Here ya go.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/re4lity/Tears.jpg

[K.C.]

When is the fabulous Joe Blanton pitching again?


He'll pitch in St. Louis, probably one of the games I have tickets to out there.

I'll have to teach to dirty Redbirds fans about the awesomeness that is Joe Blanton.

[K.C.]

Ahhhh....good beats evil once again.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1548/standingsuu6.jpg


:clap::clap::clap:

[K.C.]

Five straight.

Washington's a nice confidence builder. Hopefully they carry that momentum to St. Louis.

[midwestjeff]

Five straight.

Washington's a nice confidence builder. Hopefully they carry that momentum to St. Louis.

Oh. Sorry. Unless by momentum you mean falling behind by four runs early.


Don't worry. The Cards' bullpen will let you come back. :down:

[midwestjeff]

Here comes the Izzydozer!!!


(Looking for his first save since May fifth.)

[PigShitIrish]

suck!!

[KingGeno]

Blanton looked pretty good last night. Liked how he was working the plate. Don't like how deep he got in a lot of counts, but pretty happy with the result.

Myers tonight. 8:05PM Sunday night game. Weak sauce, but we'll see.

[K.C.]

Blanton looked pretty good last night. Liked how he was working the plate. Don't like how deep he got in a lot of counts, but pretty happy with the result.

Myers tonight. 8:05PM Sunday night game. Weak sauce, but we'll see.


Blanton looked phenominal. Myers did, too. Just got in from St. Louis early this morning. That was a fantastic series.

I have to give it to the Cards...Busch Stadium is really nice, and a notch up on Citizens Bank Park.

That place is going to be even better if they get the Ballpark Village built by next season.

But the most important thing is the two Phils Ws.

[hexy68]

Phils Ws and the Mets bullpen meltdown = good times! Must fry the Marlins this week though!

[KingGeno]

Phils Ws and the Mets bullpen meltdown = good times! Must fry the Marlins this week though!

I concur. Moyer vs. SlantFace (http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=435178) for Game 1. They beat the Phils in extra last time he pitched. Pretty stoked to see Moyer though.

I am heading down to the game on Wednesday night.

Still can't believe they charge full price for their hot dogs when they are no longer foot longs. They serve a 6 inch hot dog on a long roll. Pathetic.

[K.C.]

I really like the position they're in right now.

The Marlins will hang tough the rest of the way, I think, but the Phils should bring just a little bit more to the table. It may have been a different situation had the Fish pulled off the Man-Ram deal, but as of now, the Phillies on paper should be better.

The Mets are really kind of backed against the wall, which is why they're going to these prospects like Kunz, Murphy, and eventually Niese, now. I just don't know how they could sustain anything, though, unless those prospects hit the ground running. Just way too many injuries.


Getting great starts from Blanton and Myers helps, too. Myers has been pretty sharp. Blanton kind of pitched more to what I expected last time out.

If you look at his first two starts, he got thrust into that first game at Shea with the division lead on the line, and him trying to make a good impression on his new team, and he got rained out of his second one.

So, really, now that he's more settled I think you'll see mostly quality starts the rest of the way.

[scottinnj]

Phils Mets and Marlins all off today. What a boring night.

[K.C.]

Jon Heyman has a pretty good read on how the Manny trade went down.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/04/heyman.mannytrade/index.html

The cliff notes are
-Phillies, Marlins, and Dodgers are the only teams that ever discussed him with the Red Sox.
-Red Sox were desperate to unload him.
-The Phillies never made a really serious offer.
-The Marlins discussed deals for several days, but got greedy, and as a result over shot on it.
-Omar Minaya lied to the New York media about the Mets' involvement with the dealings. They never inquired on Manny.
-Pirates demanded a big haul, because they needed to prove they could make a decent deal to their fanbase.
-Dodgers jumped in at the 11th hour.

[cougarjake13]

Phils Mets and Marlins all off today. What a boring night.

hey at least that means no one can lose

[cougarjake13]

The Mets are really kind of backed against the wall, which is why they're going to these prospects like Kunz, Murphy, and eventually Niese, now. I just don't know how they could sustain anything, though, unless those prospects hit the ground running. Just way too many injuries.
.


yeh unless the mets prospects start producing like the marlins and rays young talent i dont see the mets being much of a factor this year

[K.C.]

Phillies stole that home run by Victorino.

But that had to have been a tough call in real time, considering where it hit.

Either way, I'll take it. Let's go Phils!

[KingGeno]

I'll take it, too. Perhaps the Phillies need instructions on hitting for runs before the last third of the game.

[K.C.]

I don't understand why Charlie went to Les Walrond while they were only trailing by two.

They had an off day yesterday, Romero should have been fresh.

I know he's probably trying to limit his innings where he can, but come on...Walrond walking those two and then giving up the single is the ball game right now.

[K.C.]

Phillies watch Garcia work out

By DAVID MURPHY
Philadelphia Daily News

dmurphy@phillynews.com
YES, FREDDY GARCIA held his first public workout since undergoing shoulder surgery, and, yes, the Phillies had a scout in Florida to watch him throw. But that doesn't mean the veteran righthander, who made 11 starts last season before going on the disabled list, will return to town.

"We're just making sure we see the guy pitch," assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said.

If nothing else, it makes for an intriguing possibility. After all, the Phillies didn't get much out of Garcia before he injured his shoulder and had season-ending surgery. To add insult to injury, the man whom they traded to the White Sox, former top prospect Gavin Floyd, is now 11-6 with a 3.43 ERA for Chicago.

Garcia's agent, New York-based Peter Greenberg, said his client would be open to returning to the Phillies. But the Phillies don't seem to have major interest at this point. Minor league pitching coordinator Gorman Heimueller watched Garcia throw yesterday at the University of Miami, along with scouts from a number of other major league teams. Amaro said he hadn't yet received a report on Garcia. Greenberg said Garcia threw all of his pitches - fastball, changeup, slider, curveball - and was happy with his velocity. Though Garcia is less than a year removed from surgery - Dr. James Andrews operated in late August - he is convinced he can help a major league team this season.

"I think there's a chance [he signs with the Phillies]," Greenberg said. "One of Freddy's big criteria is [playing on a] winning team that has a chance to play into October."

Unless you think a recovering from major shoulder surgery Freddy Garcia is better than Kyle Kendrick, I don't see the point.

[KingGeno]

I don't understand why Charlie went to Les Walrond while they were only trailing by two.

They had an off day yesterday, Romero should have been fresh.

I know he's probably trying to limit his innings where he can, but come on...Walrond walking those two and then giving up the single is the ball game right now.

They bring in Walrond, and I immediately get this thought: Why are we testing waters when we are losing to a division team in a tight close race to first place?

Phillies eat shit at hitting. That Marlin's pitching last night was not impressive or major.

I'm going down there tonight. They better win.

[scottinnj]

I'm going down there tonight. They better win.


I guess they listened. Great pitching tonight by Kendrick and Durbin. I just wish the bats were more consistant.

This year it just seems that the bullpen, however weak it can be at times, has stepped it up over last year, but the offense is either on or off, and pitchers like Cole are getting Ls when they pitch great but lose by one run.

[K.C.]

They bring in Walrond, and I immediately get this thought: Why are we testing waters when we are losing to a division team in a tight close race to first place?

Phillies eat shit at hitting. That Marlin's pitching last night was not impressive or major.

I'm going down there tonight. They better win.


I was down there tonight, too.

Great pitching tonight, and they saved Romero and Lidge for tomorrow. Great to see Cervenak get his first MLB hit, too.

Everything fell back into place with the win and the Mets loss.

[K.C.]

and pitchers like Cole are getting Ls when they pitch great but lose by one run.

That comes with the territory of being the ace, though.

He's going to be facing the #1 or #2 of every other team most nights. There's little margin for error.

That said, I'm not going to pull a Met fan and bash him, like they destroy Santana because Santana doesn't have the Ws.

Cole gives them a shot to win every time they go out. It's all you can ask for.

He's still very young, too, and still working on consistency. His best years are still far ahead of him.

[KingGeno]

I was down there tonight, too.

Great pitching tonight, and they saved Romero and Lidge for tomorrow. Great to see Cervenak get his first MLB hit, too.

Everything fell back into place with the win and the Mets loss.

Yea, it was a great game tonight. Must win tomorrow night. I, too, was very happy that Cervenak had his first hit. I'll be watching that little fellow.

Couldn't ask for a better night for baseball either. Hot as balls earlier, but it cooled down and I had a cup of Red Hook and my Primo hoagie. Excellente.

[scottinnj]

Cole gives them a shot to win every time they go out. It's all you can ask for.


Oh I'm not bashing Cole or am mad at him or nothing. It just seems when he takes the mound, it's the team that lets him down. He should have 1 or 2 more wins this season that the Phillies offense failed to deliver.

[K.C.]

Nice...Kurt Angle threw out the first ball, gave a nice endorsement of the Phillies during his interview with McCarthy, and didn't sound like he was in a drug induced stupor.

[KingGeno]

Phillies sure are getting interesting celebrities this year. I hope I get to see Alyssa Milano up close again. That chick..........is insanely beautiful up close.

Durbin is the man. I am PRAYING that Cole gets the big win he deserves. Goddamn he deserves it....

[K.C.]

Phillies sure are getting interesting celebrities this year. I hope I get to see Alyssa Milano up close again. That chick..........is insanely beautiful up close.


Agreed.

The funny thing about her, though, is that she was promoting some chick baseball clothing line she released. I don't know if she actually has seen people who go to the ballpark....it may sell a little to the young chicks, but 90% of the chicks over 30 that come out....yeaaaaaaaaaah...they're not going to fit in those clothes.



I like that Hamels is growing his hair almost indentically to Steve Carlton. Good omen.

[KingGeno]

I like that Hamels is growing his hair almost indentically to Steve Carlton. Good omen.

Hahaha. Everytime I talk about Hamels I think about Lefty. Those sons of bitches and their non-hitting support of him.

[K.C.]

Man, one thing Mitch Williams nailed about this Phillies team is that when they face a pitcher who they've never seen before, who has even decent stuff...they just can't hit.

And Volstad was a pretty damn good prospect, so it's no wonder they're struggling today.

[KingGeno]

Their too busy scouting broken pitchers, and not paying and watching films on pitchers that actually may impact their current situation.

[spadanko]

Phils acquired Scott Eyre

[K.C.]

What a freakin' catch by Brandon Moss.

Phils deserved that loss.

Blanton, Durbin, Romero combine for nine shutout innings and one hit allowed, and they can't even give ONE run of support?

Fuck 'em.

[K.C.]

And so it begins:

Posted on Thu, Aug. 14, 2008


Rollins calls Philly fans front-runners

Philadelphia Daily News
Jimmy Rollins seems to have transitioned into one of those athletes who can make news simply by opening his mouth.

The latest example came yesterday, when Rollins offered his view on Philadelphia's notorious sports fans during yesterday's taping of Fox Sports' "Best Damn Sports Show Period."

After being asked whether Philadelphia was as tough a place to play as the national media sometimes portrays, Rollins answered:

"There are times," he said. "I might catch some flak for saying this, but, you know, they're front-runners. When you're doing good, they're on your side. When you're doing bad, they're completely against you."

Rollins then mentioned the hometown of teammate, and fellow show guest, Ryan Howard as a differently wired fan base.

"For example, Ryan is from St. Louis and St. Louis, it seems like they support their team, they're out there and encouraging. In Philly, can't be no punk." *

For the record, he's 100% right.

It's funny, though, because they're apparently killing him on the radio today.

[spadanko]

I was just gonna ask you how you felt about this. yeah i heard they are killing him

[K.C.]

St. Louis is the best baseball town in America, bar none.

I didn't quite buy it before I went...I totally believe it now.



It makes Philadelphia, and New York, and Boston look like a bunch of jackoffs in comparison, in terms of their fans and the way they treat their teams and players.


In Rollins case, I don't even think he said anything insulting. He basically said that there's a lot of front runners in Philadelphia, and it's not like St. Louis.

Both those statements are completely true. I''ve heard people crying for past Phillies teams to be blown up because they lost on OPENING DAY. It's ridiculous.

Those same people treat their players like garbage. I can't tell you the number of times they completely and unfairly destroyed Howard this year.


This is a team that's been in first place the majority of the year. You'd think they were 10 games out by the way people talk.


Now, Jimmy made a mistake in that he probably should have tacked on that it's the same way in New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, and so forth....St. Louis is really the exception to the rule with baseball.

But still, the fake outrage over this is embarrassing. If you want a good laugh, read the Phillies.com board today.


The timing of it is a little interesting, too. I kind of half suspect he may have done it to draw the ire of the fans and media towards himself, to maybe get himself fired up for this stretch run.

Jimmy's a showman in a lot of ways. I wouldn't put it past him to do that.

[PigShitIrish]

St. Louis is the best baseball town in America, bar none.

I didn't quite buy it before I went...I totally believe it now.



It makes Philadelphia, and New York, and Boston look like a bunch of jackoffs in comparison, in terms of their fans and the way they treat their teams and players.


In Rollins case, I don't even think he said anything insulting. He basically said that there's a lot of front runners in Philadelphia, and it's not like St. Louis.

Both those statements are completely true. I''ve heard people crying for past Phillies teams to be blown up because they lost on OPENING DAY. It's ridiculous.

Those same people treat their players like garbage. I can't tell you the number of times they completely and unfairly destroyed Howard this year.


This is a team that's been in first place the majority of the year. You'd think they were 10 games out by the way people talk.


Now, Jimmy made a mistake in that he probably should have tacked on that it's the same way in New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, and so forth....St. Louis is really the exception to the rule with baseball.

But still, the fake outrage over this is embarrassing. If you want a good laugh, read the Phillies.com board today.


The timing of it is a little interesting, too. I kind of half suspect he may have done it to draw the ire of the fans and media towards himself, to maybe get himself fired up for this stretch run.

Jimmy's a showman in a lot of ways. I wouldn't put it past him to do that.

Wouldn't being frontrunners imply that we are there for the good times but don't show up for the bad. Look, there are a lot of assholes in this town. That's pretty obvious. From jackasses who wanted to trade Howard earlier in the year to the idiots that wanted McNabb gone years ago when the team was actually good. I could go on and on about the insane thoughts some of these people come up with. On the other hand, you can't just bash a whole fanbase for the acts of a few. People here, especially Phillies fans, have suffered for a long time and they shouldn't have to put up with shit from a guy who's having a below avg. year and has been caught not running out plays and showing up late for games.

[K.C.]

On the other hand, you can't just bash a whole fanbase for the acts of a few. People here, especially Phillies fans, have suffered for a long time and they shouldn't have to put up with shit from a guy who's having a below avg. year and has been caught not running out plays and showing up late for games.

I think the statement reads in print a lot harsher than it was when he said it.

It was a dig, but he did it pretty playfully, and you could kind of tell who he was aiming it at.

When I heard it, I didn't think get the impression for a second that it was aimed at someone like me. I totally got the impression that it was aimed at the people you were talking about.

He didn't qualify the statement with that, though, so when it goes from TV to print, it looks a lot harsher than it really should have came across.



It is fair game to shoot back at Rollins as to why he's been so prevalent on National shows this year, and talking all sorts of things other than baseball when he's having such a down year.

But I'm sick of the fake outrage over this online and on the radio today. It's a comment that's worth nothing more than maybe a quick, passing response.

[hexy68]

you got to admit K.C. this mvp status has kinda turned him into an a-hole this year...it's obvious he no longer respects Manual...his offense is lacking this year (i know he was injured to start) his defensive play is adverage at best (that's why he wasn't an all star), now taking shots at the fans...i'm disappointed at him and his bobbleheaded sidekick Howard..I'm diehard with all my Phily teams (except the sixers...zzzzzz)

[Towelie]

you got to admit K.C. this mvp status has kinda turned him into an a-hole this year...it's obvious he no longer respects Manual...his offense is lacking this year (i know he was injured to start) his defensive play is adverage at best (that's why he wasn't an all star), now taking shots at the fans...i'm disappointed at him and his bobbleheaded sidekick Howard..I'm diehard with all my Phily teams (except the sixers...zzzzzz)

This is the problem.

Rollins offense isn't slacking this year, last year was just an epic fluke.

OPS+

2003: 90
2004: 102
2005: 97
2006: 101
2007: 118
2008: 98

One of these things is not like the others.

[K.C.]

you got to admit K.C. this mvp status has kinda turned him into an a-hole this year...it's obvious he no longer respects Manual...his offense is lacking this year (i know he was injured to start) his defensive play is adverage at best (that's why he wasn't an all star), now taking shots at the fans...i'm disappointed at him and his bobbleheaded sidekick Howard..I'm diehard with all my Phily teams (except the sixers...zzzzzz)

I don't know if anyone can say whether he respects certain people or not.

But he's absolutely having a horrible year offensively. You'd probably have to go back to one of the Bowa years to find a worse year by him.

Defensively, he's probably been average.

I do know that if they've got one last run in them, it's only going to come on Rollins' shoulders.

It's pretty obvious to me that Chase has been playing hurt for months now. The Phillies have downplayed, but I have a feeling that reported hip injury is a bit worse than people thought, just from watching him.

So it would seem unlikely to me that he could really do anymore than he's doing right now. And when they win games now, it's usually on the shoulders of Howard and Victorino.

So they really need Rollins to carry them through September if they're going to piece anything together.



Their pitching has been pretty spectacular. Between Hamels, Blanton, Myers, Moyer, they've gotten some very good starts.

But all those starts go to waste when you can't piece anything together.

[Bossanova]

Could the NL East produce one fucking shortstop whose ego doesn't get in the way of his talent the minute he starts getting noticed? This division has possibly the 3 best SS in the game and maybe even a forth and they all are head cases. Once its acknowledged that they are MVP caliber they seem to flake.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

:bye: to first place for now

[K.C.]

Game.Set.Match

Rich Hofmann: Hey fans, you can boo so let Rollins speak
By Rich Hofmann
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist


" . . . the worst bleeping fans in the world."

- Larry Bowa, Philadelphia icon, 1980



THE SKINS IN THIS TOWN are so thin as to be translucent. I mean, is it possible that we really are so offended about Jimmy Rollins describing the fans of Philadelphia as "front-runners?" Are people here really that insecure?

Let's talk for a second, just you and me. Forget for a second whether "front-runner" was exactly the right word - we all know what Rollins meant, and we all know more now that he has spoken about his feelings at some length.

So let's talk. Let's be honest. You love your sports here. You love your teams. You are desperate for a championship. You are intolerant of failure.

You pay your money. You boo. You proclaim it as your inalienable right, as if you were quoting from the Federalist Papers or something. You yell at a millionaire. You do things and say things that you could not do or say in any other public forum. You feel like a big man.

You act as if it is constructive, screaming at somebody for failure. You justify everything by repeating your don't-they-know-how-I-suffer mantra. And when one of the players has the temerity to point out that being the target of a boo isn't all that much fun, or all that helpful, you tax the Web-site servers with all of your tactful comments.

What did Dallas Green say, way back when?

Look in the mirror . . .






"They're beyond help. It's a mob scene, uncontrollable."

- Mike Schmidt, Hall of Famer, 1985






This issue is not new. It goes back decades. It flares up every now and again, usually when a player says something about being booed. That Rollins brought it up this season is a little bit odd - but then he has had bad-timing issues all year, you should excuse the expression.

He was an easy and a deserved target when he was benched for being late and for not hustling. This is different. It is an unwinnable fight in this town, taking on the fans, but it should be something that everyone ought to be able to talk about.

But we can't - because whenever the topic comes up, every other year or so, the conversation immediately degenerates into a how-dare-he?/who-does-he-think-he-is? screaming match. You listen long enough and there are fans who sound as if they have no choice but to boo. You know, that they make me do it.

Nobody acknowledges that they get off on booing some guys, that there is a perverse, smart-alecky pleasure to booing players on Opening Day, to turning someone like Tom Gordon into a nightly punching bag even when he was pitching well for long stretches early in the season. There is nothing noble about what happened to Gordon this year. It was just bloodsport.

But, no, we can't talk about that because - in case you haven't heard - nobody has won a championship around here in 25 years.






" . . . you know that positive energy can lift you, that negative energy can bring you down."

- Jimmy Rollins, lightning rod, 2008






It isn't just Philadelphia, of course. This kind of thing happens in this part of the country and always has. But pretend you are a player for a second, and pretend that the explanation you always get is, "It's not just here."

That might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that they don't like it and, really, how could you expect them to like it?

So why aren't they allowed to say it without the ensuing firestorm? You want people to be honest. You expend a lot of breath insisting that your booing is just an expression of your honest passion. So why can't the victims be honest, too? You can tell them that they suck. Why can't they tell you that it hurts?

That's all Rollins was doing, even if "front-runner" was a little bit awkward. This is a conversation we all ought to be having. I mean, how backward would it be to cheer Rollins after his benchings earlier this season but to boo him next week when the Phillies come home?

It isn't as if he was late this time, or didn't hustle.

All he did was tell the truth. *

Send e-mail to hofmanr@phillynews.com.

For recent columns, go to http://go.philly.com/hofmann.

[K.C.]

Way to answer the bell after that sweep, boys.

If Moyer's not fantastic, they probably lose another tonight.

San Diego is horrific. Please tell me they'll salvage this trip by winning the next two.

[scottinnj]

Well at least we go up against the Nationals. Maybe we can get a sweep. Maybe-I caveat that thinking we were to sweep the Pirates, and look what happened there.

[K.C.]

Well at least we go up against the Nationals. Maybe we can get a sweep. Maybe-I caveat that thinking we were to sweep the Pirates, and look what happened there.

Mets can't play the Nats and Pirates forever...as long as it stays within a couple games, it'll come to head to head.

[K.C.]

Lights Out!

http://media.philly.com/images/20080507_inq_lidge07z-a.JPG




But the booing of Rollins tonight was shameful.


And the fucking Mets had to pull a rally...I hate the Braves.

[cougarjake13]

Mets can't play the Nats and Pirates forever...as long as it stays within a couple games, it'll come to head to head.

yeh it'll come to those 5 games plus the last week


mets have 4 games with the cubs (who may still be fighting for a playoff spot)
and a 3 game series with the fish who love nothing more than to stick it to the mets again


phils have 3 games with atlanta, and 3 with the nationals


on paper the phils have the easier schedule that final weekend

[scottinnj]

But the booing of Rollins tonight was shameful.




Q to the motherfucking FT!

[hexy68]

need to kick a bad Wash. team when they're down...gonna be a tough wknd with LA

[KingGeno]

Rollin' down to the game tonight and tomorrow night. Need a sweep.

[K.C.]

need to kick a bad Wash. team when they're down...gonna be a tough wknd with LA

The thing that concerns me about these next two games is that the Nats have already lost 11 straight.

You figure, eventually, they're just going to stumble into a win.

[K.C.]

Man, Myers has been kicking ass since he recall.

[scottinnj]

No kidding. Time to send Condrey to the Iron Pigs?

[cougarjake13]

The thing that concerns me about these next two games is that the Nats have already lost 11 straight.

You figure, eventually, they're just going to stumble into a win.



normally i'd agree with you

but who the fuck is in their rotation ??? i cant even think of one guy and they play our teams 19 times a year

[K.C.]

A little update on the Phils kids playing in the Olympics:

Jason Donald: 5-16, 1 2B, 3 R, 2 RBI, 3 BB, 2 SO, 1 SB, .375 SLG, .457 OBP

Lou Marson: 3-9, 2 R, 3 BB, 2 SO, .333 SLG, .500 OBP


Donald's steadily upped his stock all year. I think he's a definite bench guy next season, and will probably get a couple of extended looks at 3B if Pedro Feliz gets hurt in '09.

Marson could go right from Beijing to Philadelphia. They need catching help, and he's been spectacular all season.

[hexy68]

great 9 innings for Myers!!...but just the 3rd CG for the Phils this year

[Towelie]

PHILADELPHIA -- More than once, Jimmy Rollins has broken out his recruiting speech to lure a potential free agent to play for the Phillies.

It has never worked.

And Rollins, who faced the masses Tuesday at Citizens Bank Park after sparking controversy last week when he described Philadelphia-area sports fans as "front-runners," insists a main reason players hesitate to sign with the Phillies is because of those same fans.

"There are a lot of things said, most I can't repeat," Rollins said before the Phillies began a three-game series against the Nationals. "That's their opinion, from the outside. A lot of times they ask, knowing their free-agent year is coming and trying to get a feel for how our fans are. They usually know how our team is.

"A lot of times, they don't want to put their families or their kids into a situation where they come to the field and these are the types of things their kids will have to listen to. And that's just the truth. Those aren't my words. Those are words I've actually heard. I've tried to get a number of players to come here, and I think I'm 0-for-whatever right now."

Rollins, who met with the media after batting practice and taped a message to the fans that was played on the television broadcast, didn't back down from his comments in an interview last week on Fox Sports Net's "Best Damn Sports Show Period."

His biggest gripe is that Phils fans don't cheer for the team unconditionally. Rollins has seen slugger Ryan Howard, reliever Tom Gordon, catcher Carlos Ruiz and even utility infielder Eric Bruntlett booed this season while the Phillies were in first place.

"There are definitely guys who come back to the clubhouse and you see the expression on their face," Rollins said. "It's like, 'Man, I've got to try to do something.' And they're halfway defeated before they get up there."

Rollins is my favorite player of all time.

[K.C.]

He's right.

[Towelie]

He's right.

I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying there are things you shouldn't say to the press.

Or maybe he wants out of Philly.

Either way, you don't call out your fan base ever.

[K.C.]

I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying there are things you shouldn't say to the press.

Or maybe he wants out of Philly.

Either way, you don't call out your fan base ever.


Yeah, it's never a good idea to take on the fans...especially those fans...but he's pot-committed now...

Who knows if he wants out...I'm not sure what would have possibly changed between last year and this year. It's not like he was really catching any flak from the fans until his first comment a couple weeks ago.

Although I remember Jimmy saying when he signed his extension that he still wanted to end his career in Oakland or San Fran, so he could say he played in the Bay Area.


Either way, personally, I like it when any athlete calls out the Philadelphia fans. I'm tired of how much they buy into their own hype and wear what they do like a badge of honor.



I still kind of think he may be doing this to motivate himself.

[Towelie]

I'm not buying his "fans curse at players" nonsense though

Does he not think Mets fans, Yankee fans or Red Sox fans don't curse at their players?

Maybe he's taking shots at the front office too?

I can't see any benefit of calling the fans out. If he wants to motivate himself he should look at the standings, look at the MVP award he has in his trophy case and look at his numbers. No professional athlete should call out what have been historically the most vicious fan base in American sports to motivate himself

Either way, I'm slightly disappointed in the Philly fans and their campaign cheer nonsense. If he pulled this in New York, he'd find himself on the next bus to Seattle, San Diego or Washington.

[K.C.]

I'm not buying his "fans curse at players" nonsense though

Does he not think Mets fans, Yankee fans or Red Sox fans don't curse at their players?

Maybe he's taking shots at the front office too?

I can't see any benefit of calling the fans out. If he wants to motivate himself he should look at the standings, look at the MVP award he has in his trophy case and look at his numbers. No professional athlete should call out what have been historically the most vicious fan base in American sports to motivate himself

Either way, I'm slightly disappointed in the Philly fans and their campaign cheer nonsense. If he pulled this in New York, he'd find himself on the next bus to Seattle, San Diego or Washington.


Agreed...I think his mistake all along is that he's singling out Philadelphia as if it's the only place it happens.

It's as bad in all those places you mentioned.



As far as the motivating thing, you'd think that...but Jimmy, and this Phillies team to an extent, has always thrived on an 'us vs. them' mentality.

You didn't hear it last year, but they ALWAYS used to talk like they were playing against the other team, and their own fans, and use that as a motivating factor.


I don't know that he's doing that...he may be just talking out his ass at this point...but it wouldn't shock me if he's doing it.

[Towelie]

The only way he's getting out of this is for him to keep his mouth shut and get them into the playoffs.

He's dug himself into a hole that only a few playoff wins could get him out of.

If they start to fade at the end of the year, he's going beg his way out.

At this point I can't see him on the Phillies next year unless a miracle happens

[hammersavage]

Either way, personally, I like it when any athlete calls out the Philadelphia fans. I'm tired of how much they buy into their own hype and wear what they do like a badge of honor.

Good for you man...

[K.C.]

[QUOTE=Towelie;1831319
At this point I can't see him on the Phillies next year unless a miracle happens[/QUOTE]

Nah, he's there next year.

Phillies fans, before their 'sudden' realization that he's actually a good player, tried to run Burrell out of town for years, unsuccessfully.

Phillies management basically takes a fuck you stance towards fan outcry.

The only way he's not there is if Charlie doesn't want him there next season.


Rollins is signed through 2011...while it'd be interesting to see if they did trade him, because I'm sure they could get a pretty good deal for him, and I'd be interested to see how Jason Donald would play as an every day MLB shortstop...there's just no shot unless he pulls a Manny and basically says he's not going to play.

[spadanko]

BJ Upton for Jimmy Rollins?

thoughts Phils fans?

[K.C.]

BJ Upton for Jimmy Rollins?

thoughts Phils fans?

Ehhhhhh...you have to like Upton because of his age and his potential, but there's a few of problems with him

1) Can't play a defensive infield position
2) The Phils don't need another guy that strikes out way too much
3) Still hasn't really put it together for a season yet. He was solid last year, but not what he was projected as.

Plus, I don't think Tampa would ever do that.



People are souring on Rollins way too quickly. I want to see him the rest of this year, and then at least the first half of next season.

[hexy68]

what's jroll's contract situation look like KC? Howard is year-to-year, Chase just got a large deal, Burell's in the last year...who's first to leave here?

[Towelie]

Rollins is signed until 2010 with an option for 2011

[hexy68]

Rollins is signed until 2010 with an option for 2011

Thanks man! :thumbup:

[cougarjake13]

Ehhhhhh...you have to like Upton because of his age and his potential, but there's a few of problems with him

1) Can't play a defensive infield position
2) The Phils don't need another guy that strikes out way too much
3) Still hasn't really put it together for a season yet. He was solid last year, but not what he was projected as.

Plus, I don't think Tampa would ever do that.



People are souring on Rollins way too quickly. I want to see him the rest of this year, and then at least the first half of next season.


upton came up as a ss/2b/3b but tampa moved him to center

[TheMojoPin]

Ryan Theriot for Rollins.

Yeah, it's a steal, but Theriot is short, gritty and white. Philly would love him.

[scottinnj]

Ryan Theriot for Rollins.

Yeah, it's a steal, but Theriot is short, gritty and white. Philly would love him.

Thanks for the input Bill Burr.

[K.C.]

Yeah, it's a steal, but Theriot is short, gritty and white. Philly would love him.

And with this, I need to rant a little bit...


So I went to the game tonight. Again, with the Rollins booing...please, just shut the fuck up already, you douchebag fans.

But after they lost, I'm listening to 610 on the way home...these fans are retarded.

They're literally, like, syllables from droppin' N-bombs, and screaming Step'n fetchit about Rollins and Howard (one of them even said, and I quote 'Howard can dunk with that big ol' body of his but he can't block a ball).


And they're all talking like this season is over.


Here's a couple facts:
-The Phillies were MUCH further out this time last year.
-The Phillies played so-so ball right up until the end of August series against the Mets (here, we sit on August 21st)
-They're 2.5 freaking games out with over a MONTH to play!!!!! They were two games out with less than a week to play.


Phillies fans need to SHUT THE FUCK UP! JUST STOP!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPPPPPPP!

[hammersavage]

Phillies fans need to SHUT THE FUCK UP! JUST STOP!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPPPPPPP!

Something all fans can unite on.

[spadanko]

I actually know a kid (i am sure he is not the only one) that HATES Howard because he replaced that "good ol' boy" Jim thome. it's a shame really. but there are fans like that all over. listening to sports radio usually is jsut infuriating

[KingGeno]

Most of the fans that go to Phillies games and boo loudly are lowlifes. I tend to want to beat the shit out of these people.

I was at the game last night also. The Phillies are having a terrible month. Shame our starting pitchers are being failed on by the offense and the bullpen (not so much, just tonight). I'd rather them have a crappy month now, and come out killing peops for the rest of the season.

The Phillies look to have the hardest schedule from here on out though.

[hammersavage]

The next 5 series for both teams are VERY interesting.

Mets have Astros, @ Phi, @ Fla, @ Mil, Phi. Then a bunch of Wash and Atl which is nice.

Phils have LAD, NYM, @ Chi, @ Wash, @ NY. Similar finish but NY has Cubs, Phils have Mil.

I think its very even, if the Cubs clinch early enough maybe a break for the Mets since Mil will still be fighting. It'll come down to head-to-head once again. I'm sick to my stomach with anticipation just thinking about it.

[K.C.]

ka-boom

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Baseball_pat_burrell_2004.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

i love owning Chutley and Burrell

[cougarjake13]

i love owning Chutley and Burrell



i dont have utley but burrell has been a nice waiver addition for a few of my teams

[scottinnj]

Okay, Mets lost, let's get these Dodgers tonight and do some catching up!

[K.C.]

Nice piece of hitting by Utley last inning.

[scottinnj]

Blanton isn't doing too bad. He's got good d backing him up. I just wish the Phils were more consistant with the hitting. If we win this we're within half a game before we play the Mets.

[K.C.]

Blanton's really been a nice addition. He still shows that he's working things out every so often, but by in large, he gives them innings and keeps them in games.

If they scored any runs for him, he'd be at least 3-0 by now.




Shane HAS to win the gold glove in center this year.

[K.C.]

RHINO!

Best defensive play I've ever seen him make!

[spadanko]

Blanton's really been a nice addition. He still shows that he's working things out every so often, but by in large, he gives them innings and keeps them in games.

If they scored any runs for him, he'd be at least 3-0 by now.




Shane HAS to win the gold glove in center this year.

it is not just CF. It is 3 OF. Rowand Beltran and Victorino could very well win it

[scottinnj]

smart move for Manuel. I guess he does believe this is an important game.

Good job to Blanton though, I liked what I saw after the first inning.

[scottinnj]

RHINO!

Best defensive play I've ever seen him make!

He really wants to win this one tonight it looks like. Now let's hope his bat will wake up.

[K.C.]

Yech...Madson coming in with a runner on base...

:help:

[K.C.]

Of course...Madson fucking blows.

Crumbles under the slightest adversity. He may have the most hollow numbers I've seen in a while.

[scottinnj]

I thought he was gonna get a K on that, but then reality set in.

[scottinnj]

Why did Charlie put Tracy in?

He got walked, but wtf?

[K.C.]

BOTTOM OF THE LINEUP FTW!!!!!!

Victorino-Tracy-Feliz!

[scottinnj]

If Jimmie gets a base hit now, all will be magically forgiven in Philadelphia's "Front-Running" eyes.

I know you can do it Jimmie!

[K.C.]

Time for extras.

But Manny leads off...:unsure:

[scottinnj]

Whoever it was in the stands that just booed, I hope he gets driven off the Walt Whitman on the way home.

[Towelie]

Shane HAS to win the gold glove in center this year.

Hahaha god no.

And like spadanko said, its for 3 OFers not CF.

Carlos Beltran shits all over Victorino.

[scottinnj]

Time for extras.

But Manny leads off...:unsure:

We can make it 0-5 for him tonight. :thumbup:

[scottinnj]

Ball was foul.

[scottinnj]

We can make it 0-5 for him tonight. :thumbup:

Fuck.

[K.C.]

We can make it 0-5 for him tonight. :thumbup:

1-5 with a single works for me.

[scottinnj]

Get Durbin OUT!!!!

[K.C.]

Loney following that with a single does NOT work for me...come on Durbin.

[K.C.]

Ok...way to show up Durbin.

At least they weaved in some clips of the Mets' horrific bullpen blowing yet another game to soothe my annoyance during this inning.

[K.C.]

Thank fucking god.

Nice play by Feliz.

Durbin's been given a gift...now get out of it.

[scottinnj]

Thank fucking god.

Nice play by Feliz.

Durbin's been given a gift...now get out of it.

Utley

Taguchi

Howard

We're still in this!!!

[K.C.]

Utley

Taguchi

Howard


Which one of these is not like the other....

[K.C.]

Quite possibly...the stupidest fucking thing I've seen in a long time...

[scottinnj]

That surprised Howard.

[scottinnj]

Quite possibly...the stupidest fucking thing I've seen in a long time...

You just quoted my son. He said it, you posted it.

[hammersavage]

Glad to hear Joe and Jon get really excited about that double play last inning. It was only bases loaded no out that they called like ball 2. fuck ESPN...

[K.C.]

Glad to hear Joe and Jon get really excited about that double play last inning. It was only bases loaded no out that they called like ball 2. fuck ESPN...

If ESPN didn't require it the game actually be called, I'm pretty sure Jon Miller would just tell Joe Morgan stories all night.

[Kevin]

Glad to hear Joe and Jon get really excited about that double play last inning. It was only bases loaded no out that they called like ball 2. fuck ESPN...

Its not Yanks Sox or Cubs, SILLY! Why would you expect anything else?

[K.C.]

That play is why Victorino is quickly becoming my favorite player on this team.

The guy is always hustling.

[scottinnj]

The thing that pisses me off about the whole ESPN broadcast is that it started at 8 Goddamned PM at night and we're the home team.

Fuck LA, start it at 3 or 4 in the afternoon. If you're a true LA fan and a churchgoer, Tivo the first two innings.

[hammersavage]

Victorino is my least favorite Philly since Scott Rolen. Congrats you Hawaiian twat...

[spadanko]

Dear Phillies,

I am tired and want this game over so i will just walk to this base hit.
Where can I get a good sandwich a this time?

Hugs,
Manny

[scottinnj]

That play is why Victorino is quickly becoming my favorite player on this team.

The guy is always hustling.

That's why I'm always disappointed when he doesn't start or gets taken out for a pinch hitter.

He should be in from start to finish. He never gives up.

[KingGeno]

That Victorino sure has spunk. I'm sure Torre was happy seeing his big name player putting no hustle into his defense.

[K.C.]

Victorino is my least favorite Philly since Scott Rolen. Congrats you Hawaiian twat...

Why Rolen? I liked Scotty, but he was about as unclutch as you could get.

I would have thought your answer would be '...since Pat Burrell was first introduced to Armando Benitez.'

[scottinnj]

Victorino is my least favorite Philly since Scott Rolen. Congrats you Hawaiian twat...

He's murder against the Mets.

[scottinnj]

Cole's gonna pinch hit?

[hammersavage]

Don't get me wrong, I hate Burrell worse than what a healthy human being should feel.

Rolen came off as a crybaby to me. And I hate Victorino cuz I know i'd love him if he was on my team but since he isn't i wish he was dead.

[Kevin]

That Victorino sure has spunk. I'm sure Torre was happy seeing his big name player putting no hustle into his defense.

Manny being Manny.

[KingGeno]

I hate that Coste was told to take a few strikes, and not swing away. Don't want a force out possibility. Hamels >.>

[scottinnj]

Don't get me wrong, I hate Burrell worse than what a healthy human being should feel.

Rolen came off as a crybaby to me. And I hate Victorino cuz I know i'd love him if he was on my team but since he isn't i wish he was dead.

That doesn't make you a bad person.

[K.C.]

Come on, Cole!

A sac fly will do it!

[scottinnj]

Cole can be the hero tonight...

[scottinnj]

Or maybe not.

[K.C.]

PEDRO!!!!....BALLGAME!!!!

Face!
Face!
Face!