2009 Season - Defending WS Champion Philadelphia Phillies Thread

[K.C.]

Don't forget it will be 36 with a chance of ice/snow also. Gonna be a fun game to watch.

Who do you give the start?

If he's healthy, I'd still go with Happ, but it doesn't sound good for him being ready for Saturday.

I have no idea who to go with between Blanton and Martinez.

[KingGeno]

Happ.

Although Martinez was quoted as saying "I've been around long enough to know that it's my turn."

[K.C.]

Pedro gets named the starter today.

I was thinking about this quite a bit today, and I've come to the conclusion I like the move for a few reasons:
1) The Rockies have some young bats in the lineup that he should be able to exploit.
2) It's going to be freezing...you know Pedro has the balls to throw inside, which will drive hitters nuts on such a cold night.
3) The Phillies should be able to get to Jason Hammel, and nobody front-runs with a lead like Pedro. It makes him that more devastating when hitters get in a position where they're pressing.

[K.C.]

Because of the postponement yesterday, Happ gets the ball tonight, Lee gets the ball in Game 4, Pedro gets bumped.


Now, here's the thing...they may not be able to play tonight either...scheduling the game at 8PM mountain time is insane. If it snows all day, it'll freeze the field by game time.

MLB, and their slave/master relationship to the networks, has really fucked this thing up scheduling wise. They should be playing this game at 1PM MT to optimize the weather and ensure they get the game in.

If I were Colorado, I'd be pissed. They went from having a sizeable advantage because of how the Phillies managed their pitching staff, to being at least even up again in terms of matchups.

[K.C.]

Let's do this thing.

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[K.C.]

Utley!!!! Wooooooooooo!

[K.C.]

Love J.A. Happ manning up and taking the mound without sleeves....that cold looks brutal.

[Furtherman]

How cold is it?

[K.C.]

Rough inning...the Rockies just hit good pitches early in the inning...he had Atkins struck out, and then just grooved one in the full count for the second run.

I'd like to see him throw more in on the hands with the fastball....too much nibbling for my liking.

[Kevin]

Maybe Cole should take an S off and put an extra M in his name this year..

[GregoryJoseph]

How cold is it?

It's 30 degrees there right now.

[K.C.]

This umpire is fucking BRUTAL with his strike zone.

Hey asshole, it's 30 degrees, how about giving the corners.

[TripleSkeet]

He refuses to give Happ that fucking inside corner. That 2nd RBI shouldve been an inning ending strikeout. This kid cant buy a break tonight from that fucking jackoff umpire. I hope Pedro is ready, he may be pitching the 2nd half of this game.

[K.C.]

What a phenomenal at bat by Ibanez. Professional hitter!


...Feliz, not so much...

[Furtherman]

Doh!

[Furtherman]

Wooo!

[K.C.]

Chooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooch!!!! !

[K.C.]

Looks like Blanton's in...being a good 300 lbs should give him a decided advantage in the cold weather.

[K.C.]

It's scary how badly Blanton's hanging that slider the few times he's thrown it.

Stick to fastball/changeup, big man.

[TripleSkeet]

We cant catch a fucking break this game.

Hey Uncle Chol, heres a suggestion, the next time Gonzalez is up, walk the Mexican fuckbag!

[TripleSkeet]

Madsen? In the 7th? Really? These pitching decisions baffle me.

[K.C.]

Madsen? In the 7th? Really? These pitching decisions baffle me.

He can use Pedro in the back end, so I think he was comfortable burning Madson there, instead of going to Durbin or Bastardo.

I'm pretty sure Lidge is getting the ball in the 9th if they have a lead, though.

[TripleSkeet]

He can use Pedro in the back end, so I think he was comfortable burning Madson there, instead of going to Durbin or Bastardo.

I'm pretty sure Lidge is getting the ball in the 9th if they have a lead, though.

Well if that happens, itll either make him or break him for good in this town. Although he dont have to worry now, since its tied.

[K.C.]

Well if that happens, itll either make him or break him for good in this town. Although he dont have to worry now, since its tied.

Charlie's made his choice....sink or swim with Brad.

I'd be lying if I said I'm not nervous.

[TripleSkeet]

And now I do. Ive got faith in you Lidge. Please dont fuck this up!

[K.C.]

It's been a long time since I've been able to do this, but:


Lights OUT!

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[TripleSkeet]

Wow. Talk about nailbiting.

Quick Question...

Why is the Rockies mascot a purple triceratops? I think the only thing gayer would be if it was a cock, that was somehow sucking another cock.

And why does he stand behind home plate trying to distract the pitcher at the end of a playoff game? That shit is so fucking bush.

[Kevin]

Its always a ride, but he got the job done. Now end this tomorow and beat ol overeated big nose in the NLCS

[K.C.]

...so....tired....

[TheMojoPin]

Wow. Talk about nailbiting.

Quick Question...

Why is the Rockies mascot a purple triceratops? I think the only thing gayer would be if it was a cock, that was somehow sucking another cock.

And why does he stand behind home plate trying to distract the pitcher at the end of a playoff game? That shit is so fucking bush.

Wait.

WAIT.

How is a Phillies fan posting any of this with a straight face?

[TripleSkeet]

Wait.

WAIT.

How is a Phillies fan posting any of this with a straight face?

What? First of all the Phillie fanatic is the best mascot in all of sports. Second, because of the odd name of the team, and the fact that we dont even know what the Fanatic is, you cant really say that the mascot has nothing to do with the team.

Here youve got a team named after Mountains whose mascot is a fucking dinosaur. Explain that.

And in all my years watching the Phillies I have NEVER seen the Fanatic behind home plate trying to distract the pitcher as hes trying to pitch. Go ahead, explain how Im wrong.

[TheMojoPin]

What? First of all the Phillie fanatic is the best mascot in all of sports. Second, because of the odd name of the team, and the fact that we dont even know what the Fanatic is, you cant really say that the mascot has nothing to do with the team.

Here youve got a team named after Mountains whose mascot is a fucking dinosaur. Explain that.

You're slamming one team for having a nonsensical mascot while your own team has the most nonsensical mascot. You slam one for being "gay" when yours has a cone custom-made for dick-sucking as a mouth. That it's one of the best known mascots in sports has nothing to do with why it's OK for your team to have a completely nonsensical mascot but unacceptable for any other team to have the same. What, the Rockies are supposed to have someone running around dressed like a fucking mountain? Who gives a shit if it's a dinosaur? It's a stupid mascot. The Giants have a fucking seal, the Nationals have an eagle, the Padres have a chicken and the Mariners have a goddamned moose. Are you losing sleep over those, too?

And in all my years watching the Phillies I have NEVER seen the Fanatic behind home plate trying to distract the pitcher as hes trying to pitch. Go ahead, explain how Im wrong.

Yeah, since you've personally never seen the mascot behind home plate during a game means he's never been there in all the years that the character has existed. That's some real ironclad evidence right there. Given the number of times we've seen mascots from various teams behind home plate it's probably a safe bet the Phanatic has ended up back there over the course of its 30-year existence.

[KingGeno]

DOn't be sore, Mojo. There is always next year.

I only got to watch up until the 6th inning last night. Damn late games, but I am glad they won. Gotta lock this up tonight. I'm feeling pretty good with Lee out there.

Anyone have stats on him in cold weather?

[TripleSkeet]

Yeah, since you've personally never seen the mascot behind home plate during a game means he's never been there in all the years that the character has existed. That's some real ironclad evidence right there. Given the number of times we've seen mascots from various teams behind home plate it's probably a safe bet the Phanatic has ended up back there over the course of its 30-year existence.

No dumb fuck. Im not saying the Phanatic has never been behind home plate. Im saying Ive never seen him back there, facing the fucking pitcher and waving his hands up and down like that stupid fucking dinosaur was doing in the 9th inning of a playoff game last night. Ive never seen any mascot do that in a playoff game actually. And considering Ive watched hundreds of Phillies games and plenty of other teams playoff games Id say that its pretty fucking rare.

Probably because its so fucking bush league. What it reminded me of the most was a woman at the Mets / Red Sox World Series in 86, who, every time the Mets were at bat at home, would wave this white handkerchief up and down directly behind home plate trying to distract the Red Sox pitchers.

Oh, and the Nationals and Mariners mascots make sense. San Diegos I never understood, unless it has something to do with the high Mexican population, and the Phanatic isnt just the best known mascot in sports, hes just the best mascot. Get rid of the fucking gay Barney the Dinosaur and get a Mountain Climber.

[TheMojoPin]

What am I "sore" over?

[Crossweird]

Probably because its so fucking bush league. What it reminded me of the most was a woman at the Mets / Red Sox World Series in 86, who, every time the Mets were at bat at home, would wave this white handkerchief up and down directly behind home plate trying to distract the Red Sox hitters.

No wonder they lost. They were facing the wrong way.

[KingGeno]

Anyone else notice that annoying fuckface teenage kid behind home plate, and his over-cheering for EVERY fuckin' pitch thing happening in the game? He would stand up and throw his arm around and clap then sit down, OR stand up and throw his arm around and then shake his head and boo the ump. It was very annoying, and if I was sitting behind him he would have heard about it.

Fucking kids and their dumb ass brains.

[TripleSkeet]

No wonder they lost. They were facing the wrong way.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Shit! I fixed it.

[TheMojoPin]

No dumb fuck. Im not saying the Phanatic has never been behind home plate. Im saying Ive never seen him back there, facing the fucking pitcher and waving his hands up and down like that stupid fucking dinosaur was doing in the 9th inning of a playoff game last night. Ive never seen any mascot do that in a playoff game actually. And considering Ive watched hundreds of Phillies games and plenty of other teams playoff games Id say that its pretty fucking rare.

I've seen mascots behind home plate for critical regular season games and in the playoffs. Now is my anecdotal evidence any less valid than yours?

Probably because its so fucking bush league. What it reminded me of the most was a woman at the Mets / Red Sox World Series in 86, who, every time the Mets were at bat at home, would wave this white handkerchief up and down directly behind home plate trying to distract the Red Sox hitters.

How is a woman directly behind home plate waving something going to distract the hitters who are looking in the opposite direction?

It's ultimately sour grapes. People can't sit down there and use things like laser pointers or reflective items and their ilk to intentionally distract the players, but if someone wants to wear something hideous or wave their arms or scream or jump around or swing towels or whatever they can. If a pro ball player can handle all of that they can handle a stupid mascot, which they've all seen a billion fucking times, acting like a jackass.

Oh, and the Nationals and Mariners mascots make sense. San Diegos I never understood, unless it has something to do with the high Mexican population, and the Phanatic isnt just the best known mascot in sports, hes just the best mascot. Get rid of the fucking gay Barney the Dinosaur and get a Mountain Climber.

Or they just keep having a nonsensical mascot like plenty of other teams have and JUST LIKE YOUR TEAM HAS. Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. You're screaming about a team doing the exact same thing as your team in terms of having a mascot that has nothing to do with the team.

And shit, if you think having a moose "makes sense" for the Mariners, then why does having a triceratops as a mascot since they found triceratops fossils when building Coors Field not make sense?

[TripleSkeet]

I've seen mascots behind home plate for critical regular season games and in the playoffs. Now is my anecdotal evidence any less valid than yours?



How is a woman directly behind home plate waving something going to distract the hitters who are looking in the opposite direction??

Guess you missed this.
Hahahahahahahahaha. Shit! I fixed it.



Or they just keep having a nonsensical mascot like plenty of other teams have and JUST LIKE YOUR TEAM HAS. Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. You're screaming about a team doing the exact same thing as your team in terms of having a mascot that has nothing to do with the team.

And shit, if you think having a moose "makes sense" for the Mariners, then why does having a triceratops as a mascot since they found triceratops fossils when building Coors Field not make sense?

The Phanatic is a random mascot because the name Phillie is a random name. And if thats true that they found triceratops bones when building the stadium why didnt you just fucking say that when I asked? I may think its dumb but at least theres a legit reason why they went with that that. I had never heard that before.

[TripleSkeet]

By the way, how bout those Cubbies?

[TheMojoPin]

The Phanatic is a random mascot because the name Phillie is a random name. And if thats true that they found triceratops bones when building the stadium why didnt you just fucking say that when I asked? I may think its dumb but at least theres a legit reason why they went with that that. I had never heard that before.

Because you were basing your rant seemingly around the idea of how ridiculous it is for a team to have what you thought was a nonsensical mascot.

[TheMojoPin]

By the way, how bout those Cubbies?

Oh my God, I had no idea how shitty the season went until you brought that up. Jesus, God, NO, my entire world is completely shattered. I...I don't think I can go on anymore. This news is just too much to take.

[K.C.]

Oh my God, I had no idea how shitty the season went until you brought that up. Jesus, God, NO, my entire world is completely shattered. I...I don't think I can go on anymore. This news is just too much to take.



It also has to chap your ass that Neckbeard is 5-0

[TheMojoPin]

It also has to chap your ass that Neckbeard is 5-0

Not really, since if they still had him they'd likely be 1-3.

Plus I love me some Neckbeard. Why am I going to begrudge him for having success?

[Marc with a c]

torrealbino!!!

[K.C.]

Don't call it a comeback...

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[Furtherman]

I hope Charlie made the right call pulling Lee.

[KnoxHarrington]

Did that announcer just say "A little Ric Flair to left"?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Marc with a c]

Did that announcer just say "A little Ric Flair to left"?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

yes, and one of them just called todd helton 'the greatest lefty ever.'

[K.C.]

Strap in, kids

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[Furtherman]

YES. Stressful but Werth it!

[Marc with a c]

YES. Stressful but Werth it!

yuck.

impressive win.

[TripleSkeet]

Back to the NLCS again. Thank God we will be off TBS. These fucking announcers are the worst.

I thought it was funny that since Game 1 Ive heard it mentioned about 100 times how Colorado was the 3rd best team in the NL for come from behind wins. But I didnt even know until they said it tonight that the Phillies were first.

Plus I can finally stop hearing the phrase "up the ladder".

I hope the umps in the next series are better then the horseshit there was this round.

[K.C.]

Back to the NLCS again. Thank God we will be off TBS. These fucking announcers are the worst.

I thought it was funny that since Game 1 Ive heard it mentioned about 100 times how Colorado was the 3rd best team in the NL for come from behind wins. But I didnt even know until they said it tonight that the Phillies were first.

Plus I can finally stop hearing the phrase "up the ladder".

I hope the umps in the next series are better then the horseshit there was this round.

Not quite....TBS has the NLCS, FOX has the ALCS.

[TripleSkeet]

Not quite....TBS has the NLCS, FOX has the ALCS.

Please tell me youre fucking joking. Ugh. I cant even go radio because they are too far behind the HD. Looks like an announcerless NLCS in my house. Hello MUTE button.

[weekapaugjz]

Please tell me youre fucking joking. Ugh. I cant even go radio because they are too far behind the HD. Looks like an announcerless NLCS in my house. Hello MUTE button.

pause the game on dvr and then sync it up to the radio.

[TheMojoPin]

Nice job, Phillies. Now beat the shit out of the Dodgers and the Yankees and make the NL proud.

[TripleSkeet]

pause the game on dvr and then sync it up to the radio.

You sir are a wise man.

[K.C.]

Likely pitching matchups:

Game 1 - Hamels vs. Wolf
Game 2 - Blanton/Martinez vs. Kershaw
Game 3 - Lee vs. Padilla
Game 4 - Happ vs. Billingsley/Kurdoa
Game 5 - Hamels vs. Wolf
Game 6 - Blanton/Martinez vs. Kershaw
Game 7 - Lee vs. Padilla

I tend to think Pedro gets Games 2 and 6...Charlie seems a little down on Blanton this year.

[TripleSkeet]

Likely pitching matchups:

Game 1 - Hamels vs. Wolf
Game 2 - Blanton/Martinez vs. Kershaw
Game 3 - Lee vs. Padilla
Game 4 - Happ vs. Billingsley/Kurdoa
Game 5 - Hamels vs. Wolf
Game 6 - Blanton/Martinez vs. Kershaw
Game 7 - Lee vs. Padilla

I tend to think Pedro gets Games 2 and 6...Charlie seems a little down on Blanton this year.

I hope he does. I have a good feeling about Pedro in these playoffs.

[Kevin]

I hope he does. I have a good feeling about Pedro in these playoffs.

Ouch, Lee not going til game 3 is gunna hurt.

Thank God Yanks wrapped it up yesturday and didnt have to burn CC.

[TripleSkeet]

Ouch, Lee not going til game 3 is gunna hurt.

Thank God Yanks wrapped it up yesturday and didnt have to burn CC.

I dont mind the first game back in Philly being pitched by Lee.

[KingGeno]

Myers and Kendrick off the roster, bearded hall of famer Bruntlett back on.

Not sure how I feel about Myers not being there. He isn't pleased.


Oh, and I hate ESPN. THey are terrible.

[PigShitIrish]

And Chan Ho is back.

[Earlshog]

Myers and Kendrick off the roster, bearded hall of famer Bruntlett back on.

Not sure how I feel about Myers not being there. He isn't pleased.


Oh, and I hate ESPN. THey are terrible.

No Myers is very surprising

[K.C.]

Choooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooch!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Vintage Torre here.

God is he an awful manager.

[K.C.]

Yeah I couldn't believe he left him in to face Howard. It was way obvious Kershaw was cooked.

[Kevin]

Yeah I couldn't believe he left him in to face Howard. It was way obvious Kershaw was cooked.

Soooooooo many times thats happened with the Yanks.

[Furtherman]

StressssSs

[Furtherman]

WOOOOOO! Nice inning

[TripleSkeet]

Likely pitching matchups:

Game 1 - Hamels vs. Wolf
Game 2 - Blanton/Martinez vs. Kershaw
Game 3 - Lee vs. Padilla
Game 4 - Happ vs. Billingsley/Kurdoa
Game 5 - Hamels vs. Wolf
Game 6 - Blanton/Martinez vs. Kershaw
Game 7 - Lee vs. Padilla

I tend to think Pedro gets Games 2 and 6...Charlie seems a little down on Blanton this year.

So much for that.

Pedro going against Padilla in Game 2, Kuroda facing Lee in Game 3 and Blanton facing Wolf in Game 4. I really like those matchups.

Great win tonight. Had me a nervous wreck the whole game.

By the way, I dont think its possible for me to hate these announcers any more. I was just waiting for Buck Martinez to proclaim Manny the greatest player ever to lace up a pair of cleats. Jesus Christ.

For Game 2 Im hoping for Buck Martinez to have a heart attack in the booth and die, and then relieve his bowels all over the floor electricuting Ron Darling and Chip Carey in a puddle of Buck Martinez piss.

[K.C.]

Both guys look sharp. Pedro's keeping his pitches down.

If the Phils can get Padilla in the stretch, he's a completely different pitcher.

[K.C.]

Ka-BOOM!

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[spoon]

Go phils!

But if you lose to the yanks I'll forever hate you all.

[K.C.]

Carlos Ruiz is having a monster playoffs.

Perfect throw out there, great hitting, calling good games....finally showing a national audience what a solid catcher he is.

[spoon]

Carlos Ruiz is having a monster playoffs.

Perfect throw out there, great hitting, calling good games....finally showing a national audience what a solid catcher he is.

If you think that's impressive, you should have seen Aaron Hill's drive on the 4th hole, or Halladay's ace in the second set at the country club!

[K.C.]

If you think that's impressive, you should have seen Aaron Hill's drive on the 4th hole, or Halladay's ace in the second set at the country club!

But for a now unemployed and idiotic GM, Halladay could be mowing down Dodgers right now.

He has to cringe every time he sees Cliff Lee take the mound.

[Marc with a c]

how has padilla been so bad for so long?

[K.C.]

how has padilla been so bad for so long?

He's always shown flashes of brilliance, it's just that he is usually prone to one monsterous blow up inning.

So far as a Dodger, it hasn't come in his starts...

[Marc with a c]

huge hit batter.

[Marc with a c]

He's always shown flashes of brilliance, it's just that he is usually prone to one monsterous blow up inning.

So far as a Dodger, it hasn't come in his starts...

pitchers are so fucking dumb.

[Marc with a c]

come on tbs. missing pitches??

[hammersavage]

Chase Knoblauch

[Marc with a c]

the middle is still playing real shallow for kemp.

[Marc with a c]

perfect spot with that change for madson.

[hammersavage]

denshuns

[Marc with a c]

what HAPPened?

[Furtherman]

Denshun

[Furtherman]

Savage you savant!

[Marc with a c]

crooklyn!!

[Furtherman]

Ah crap

[Marc with a c]

good game. stunned utley pulled that bullshit.

[TripleSkeet]

Charlie Manuel, you outmanaged yourself right out of a fucking win.

Not saying Utley gets a pass, but the bottom line is Pedro should have pitched the entire game until he started giving up some hits. There was no reason to pull him.

Memo to Charlie: YOUR BULLPEN FUCKING SUCKS. If you can get a complete game from your starter take it fuckhead!

This whole switching pitchers every fucking batter is just making me sick. You dont always have to go righty righty lefty lefty Mr. Burns. And fuck you Im not shaving my sideburns.

[spoon]

But for a now unemployed and idiotic GM, Halladay could be mowing down Dodgers right now.

He has to cringe every time he sees Cliff Lee take the mound.

He may, but not Blue Jay fans. To be honest, they'll get just as much next year for him and still get the chance to see where they're at first after June in 2010.

[K.C.]

I wonder if Martinez told him that he was gassed after the 7th.

If not, he has to start the 8th.

I get why Charlie went to Park, but it's a hell of a lot to ask to bring him in back to back days when he's barely pitched (not that it would have made a difference if Utley doesn't airmail that ball).

I'd have started the inning with Madson. I know he's struggled, but you have to keep some semblance of these guys' roles....Madson in the 8th, Lidge in the 9th.

Now if guys get on base, I have no problem hooking them to play matchups. I'm not bothered by using five pitchers in an inning...but it should have been Martinez or Madson that starts that inning.

I think Charlie fell a little too in love with Park after last night and all the praise he got for pitching in that situation.


Whateves.....back to Philly. Kuroda will be tough, so Lee needs his A game.

[Marc with a c]

park pitched fine, he misplayed the bunt, but otherwise he pitched well.

[K.C.]

park pitched fine, he misplayed the bunt, but otherwise he pitched well.

Yeah, he wasn't terrible. I just like Madson better in that spot with Blake and Belliard leading off.

Those are two hitters he should dominate with his changeup.

The botched double-play is the killer, and then there's not much you can do about Happ....terrible situation, and he can't groove one 3-2 to Ethier just to get a strike. Ethier's too good a hitter for that.

[Marc with a c]

i was shocked to see park over madson as well, but park did the job, and happ has to groove one, and hope he hits it at somebody. even with the top of the order coming up you can't expect the phills to score a run off broxton.

[TripleSkeet]

I wonder if Martinez told him that he was gassed after the 7th.



I doubt it. They were warming Happ up in the 7th just in case it got to the pitchers spot in the batting order. Thats why they pulled him, so they could pitch hit for him in the 8th, which to me is just stupid because I cant figure out whos fucking worse between Cairo, Francisco and Stairs.

[A.J.]

Not saying Utley gets a pass, but the bottom line is Pedro should have pitched the entire game until he started giving up some hits. There was no reason to pull him.

Maybe Manuel realized that Pedro was pitching on the 6th anniversary of the "Grady Little Game".

[K.C.]

Just left Delaware Park to place my football bets....Ricky Bottalico and Rob Ellis were doing a remote for WIP there.

Lots of Phils talk...pretty much the same thing everyone's been saying. Either Martinez or Madson should have started the inning, but it's all moot, since the Phillies only scored one run, and if they play good defense in the 8th, they're in the 9th still leading 1-0.

Have to agree. Can't kill Charlie for the moves he made yesterday.

[TripleSkeet]

Just left Delaware Park to place my football bets....Ricky Bottalico and Rob Ellis were doing a remote for WIP there.

Lots of Phils talk...pretty much the same thing everyone's been saying. Either Martinez or Madson should have started the inning, but it's all moot, since the Phillies only scored one run, and if they play good defense in the 8th, they're in the 9th still leading 1-0.

Have to agree. Can't kill Charlie for the moves he made yesterday.

Bullshit. Complete bullshit. Sorry I dont give Charlie a pass on that fuck up. Utley shouldve had that double play but that still doesnt guarantee they dont tie the game. He overmanaged and it bit him in the ass. It happens, I just hope he learns from it.

[KingGeno]

Rollins, Werth and Utley's lack of baseball bat skill have killed this team thus far. Gotta kick them in the ass to get shit started. Although Utley has come close a few times to going yard.

Hopefully that was the shit play they needed to get out of the way to focus on putting them over the top. That type of loss should never happen.

[K.C.]

Bullshit. Complete bullshit. Sorry I dont give Charlie a pass on that fuck up. Utley shouldve had that double play but that still doesnt guarantee they dont tie the game. He overmanaged and it bit him in the ass. It happens, I just hope he learns from it.

I really don't understand where you can say he overmanaged.

-He chooses to start Pedro instead of Blanton

-He lifts Pedro for Park after 7...ok, you could say he should leave Martinez in, but I've yet to hear or see anything where he said he was good to go for the 8th. The guy hasn't pitched in a month, it's very possible he was gassed at that point

-Park botches a bunt, Utley botches a double play...manager can't do anything about that.

-He goes to Eyre on Thome...I don't know any manager that wouldn't make that move. Thome just sat on a fastball and Eyre missed his spot.

-He goes to Madson on Kemp...Madson gets the K.

-Now if you want to say Madson should have faced Ethier, ok...I can kind of give you that, but Ethier is a sub .200 hitter against lefties all year. I think that's open for debate.


But until I hear someone say Pedro believed he could pitch the 8th, I can't kill him for using the pen, and even though I think I would have used Madson to start the 8th, Park's pitching isn't what caused the trouble in that inning.

[TripleSkeet]

I really don't understand where you can say he overmanaged.

-He chooses to start Pedro instead of Blanton

-He lifts Pedro for Park after 7...ok, you could say he should leave Martinez in, but I've yet to hear or see anything where he said he was good to go for the 8th. The guy hasn't pitched in a month, it's very possible he was gassed at that point

-Park botches a bunt, Utley botches a double play...manager can't do anything about that.

-He goes to Eyre on Thome...I don't know any manager that wouldn't make that move. Thome just sat on a fastball and Eyre missed his spot.

-He goes to Madson on Kemp...Madson gets the K.

-Now if you want to say Madson should have faced Ethier, ok...I can kind of give you that, but Ethier is a sub .200 hitter against lefties all year. I think that's open for debate.


But until I hear someone say Pedro believed he could pitch the 8th, I can't kill him for using the pen, and even though I think I would have used Madson to start the 8th, Park's pitching isn't what caused the trouble in that inning.

Youre not going to hear him say that because hes not gonna throw Manuel under the bus. But it was obvious he was going to lift Pedro for a pitch hitter. The inning before he had Happ warming up in case they got to the pitchers spot. When they didnt, out came Pedro. He didnt even have 100 pitch count. Gassed or not Id have sent him out there until he let two men get on base with less then two outs. Even for the 9th. You got him for nothing. Pitch him until his arm falls off for all I care, as long as its working.

The Park fuck up amazes me. How many times are these guys gonna misplay bunts? Thats something they need to fix immediately.

And Im not a big believer in switching pitchers for each hitter. All year long you have these guys working innings against both left and right handers. Personally I feel the last two games he has used his bullpen entirely too much. Pick a pitcher and leave him in if hes doing well. Really it reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns pulls Darryl Strawberry for Homer Simpson because its called "playing the averages".

[TripleSkeet]

I was at the game tonight. What a madhouse. God tonight was fun. The chants of CHEATER and STEROIDS to Manny were LOUD and hilarious. My seats were right behind him and when he came on the field and started getting booed he grabbed his nuts to the crowd.

I root against him because right now hes the enemy, but as a player I gotta love the guy. Hes someone I would love on my team.

[K.C.]

I was at the game tonight. What a madhouse. God tonight was fun. The chants of CHEATER and STEROIDS to Manny were LOUD and hilarious. My seats were right behind him and when he came on the field and started getting booed he grabbed his nuts to the crowd.

I root against him because right now hes the enemy, but as a player I gotta love the guy. Hes someone I would love on my team.

I was listening to the Baseball Today podcast today and the guy who hosts it is a Phils season ticket holder, so he was at the game last night and said it was one of the most fun crowds he's been in.

I've got Game 5...hopefully it's the clincher.

[TripleSkeet]

Aaaaaand Ryan Howard just made history. Randy Wolf, dont get too comfortable out there. Your night will be over shortly.

[Marc with a c]

fucking manny needs to be on second on that ball.

[TripleSkeet]

Wow. Blanton just fell apart quick.

[Marc with a c]

they have hit a ton of balls hard off of him.

[TripleSkeet]

I cant believe we are losing to Randy Wolf. HE FUCKING BLOWS!

[TripleSkeet]

WOW!

[Earlshog]

WOW!

QFT..

Is this the same team I have been a fan of for the past 28 or so years?


ONE MORE! Let wrap this up in Philly!

[K.C.]

Well get ready for a solid five days of proclaiming the Yankees world champs, statements that the World Series is just a formality, and musings about how the Phillies aren't worthy to stand on the same field as the glorious juggernaut.


Back to back pennants (god-willing), defending World Champs....yeah, they suck.

Gotta love the national media.

[TripleSkeet]

Well get ready for a solid five days of proclaiming the Yankees world champs, statements that the World Series is just a formality, and musings about how the Phillies aren't worthy to stand on the same field as the glorious juggernaut.


Back to back pennants (god-willing), defending World Champs....yeah, they suck.

Gotta love the national media.

Well always have John Kruk.

[Kevin]

Well get ready for a solid five days of proclaiming the Yankees world champs, statements that the World Series is just a formality, and musings about how the Phillies aren't worthy to stand on the same field as the glorious juggernaut.


Back to back pennants (god-willing), defending World Champs....yeah, they suck.

Gotta love the national media.



I certinaly don't feel that way. You have a great lineup and clutch players. You are the only NL team with a shot. It would be a fun WS.

[TripleSkeet]

I certinaly don't feel that way. You have a great lineup and clutch players. You are the only NL team with a shot. It would be a fun WS.

I give Yankees fans more credit then that. I dont think they are dumb enough to think Philly would be a walk in the park.

But the national media will definitely be talking about the Series like its just a formality and paint Philly as a David vs. the Goliath Yankees.

[TripleSkeet]

This had me DYING...
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[PigShitIrish]

They're falling apart!

[Furtherman]

Steady as she goes boys...

[Furtherman]

Flyin Hawaiian!!!

[GregoryJoseph]

Looks like our boys are gonna do it, Furtherman!

WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE WORLD SERIES!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Man, the Phillies can definitely match the Yankees blow for blow in terms of offense. I think the Phillies have the advantage with the starting rotation while the Yanks have the better bullpen.

This WS is going to be fuckin' epic.

[Marc with a c]

that victorino homerun was huge right now.

[Marc with a c]

what was the story with madson as a starter? as i see it he has two top level pitches (fastball and change) and an above average breaking ball. why didn't he stick as a starter?

[TheMojoPin]

what was the story with madson as a starter? as i see it he has two top level pitches (fastball and change) and an above average breaking ball. why didn't he stick as a starter?

Has he had issues staying healthy?

[Marc with a c]

Has he had issues staying healthy?

not sure, but he is fucking filthy.

[TheMojoPin]

not sure, but he is fucking filthy.

He is. Maybe he's just one of those guys who isn't effective for more than a couple innings.

[Marc with a c]

He is. Maybe he's just one of those guys who isn't effective for more than a couple innings.

or just the ninth.

[Furtherman]

You know it Greg!!!!!

WOOOOO!!!

[NickyL0885]

Congrats to the Phillies. Now, hopefully during the locker room celebrations, the whole team gets ACL tears and can't play the World Series. Although.....that would mean the Yankees would win the WS.......damn it......no matter who wins, it sucks for me. In that case, I hope both teams get ACL tears.

[Furtherman]

STRUTIN'!

*cue Golden Slippers*

[KnoxHarrington]

Sometimes, I do have to admit I like Phillies fans, like when they booed Ernie Johnson mentioning TBS.

[TheMojoPin]

Congrats to the Phillies. Now, hopefully during the locker room celebrations, the whole team gets ACL tears and can't play the World Series. Although.....that would mean the Yankees would win the WS.......damn it......no matter who wins, it sucks for me. In that case, I hope both teams get ACL tears.

I feel you, man. What you're seeing is the equivalent of me seeing the Cardinals vs. the White Sox. Nobody wins in that equation.

I did not know the Cubs are one of only three NL teams to have repeat WS wins. Here's hoping the Phillies are the fourth.

[hammersavage]

I guess I need to learn how to strut.

[Recyclerz]

Congratulations to the Phillies, Ronnie B, his Dad and the rest of the Phillies fans.

That sure is a nice, shiny dynasty you folks have there. As bright & shiny as one of those false idols we heard about in the Old Testament. Why, I don't think that anything, and I mean anything or anybody, supernatural or not, could stop you guys from winning a second World Series! :innocent:

[barjockey]

I think Charlie Manuel is awesome I got a mancrush.

[K.C.]

Riding home from the game....awesome scene...woooooooooooooo!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Best thing about this is Pedro going to another WS. Pedro fuckin' rules.

[K.C.]

what was the story with madson as a starter? as i see it he has two top level pitches (fastball and change) and an above average breaking ball. why didn't he stick as a starter?

His fastball was considerably weaker as a starter, meaning his changeup is less effective. He throws a lot harder out of the pen. Not sure why that is, but he was throwing low 90s as a starter.

Plus, like Hamels is seeing now, he would need a third pitch, and Madson's curve is so many levels of awfulness, I hope I never see it again.

[Suspect Chin]

Will they move up the WS if the Yankees close it out tomorrow? If not, we'll have to wait almost a week.

[TripleSkeet]

The World Series schedule is set and wont change.

Just got back from the game. What a madhouse. Man that was fun.

Im gonna go the classy route and wish good luck to the Yankee fans on here when your team makes it. (Because I know theres a decent amount)

I did however send texts to Irish Alkey and The Vagabond Soles letting them know their team is next!

[KingGeno]

So awesome!!!! I hvae World Series Game #4 tickets. It must be a Bronx v. Philly slugout. It will be epic.

[TripleSkeet]

So awesome!!!! I hvae World Series Game #4 tickets. It must be a Bronx v. Philly slugout. It will be epic.

Right after an Eagles / Giants home game? Its gonna be sooooo insane down there.

[Furtherman]

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[Kevin]

Right after an Eagles / Giants home game? Its gonna be sooooo insane down there.



It won't be when you're down 3-0....






kidding, i learned my lesson being over confident with the Giants...

[disneyspy]

It won't be when you're down 3-0....






kidding, i learned my lesson being over confident with the Giants...

you shoulda learned your lesson when the yanks were up 3-0 on the red sox,what a fuckin CHOKE that was!

[Kevin]

you shoulda learned your lesson when the yanks were up 3-0 on the red sox,what a fuckin CHOKE that was!

Stop it Mr 7 game lead in sept, 2 game lead with 3 games left.

[KingGeno]

Good. I hate today's youth. They are assholes and cheezdicks.

[TripleSkeet]

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That kid falling off the car is just hilarious. What a dope.

[Kevin]

Good. I hate today's youth. They are assholes and cheezdicks.

Starving

Geno

we got any cheesedicks in the back?

[KingGeno]

Starving

Geno

we got any cheesedicks in the back?


I'd say fresh out, but I don't wanna attract the wrong people.

[Kevin]

I'd say fresh out, but I don't wanna attract the wrong people.

underdog?

[Furtherman]

That kid falling off the car is just hilarious. What a dope.

He's this year's "kid getting hit with vodka bottle while hanging from a streetlight".

[Earlshog]

now we root for yanks angels to go 7

[TripleSkeet]

He's this year's "kid getting hit with vodka bottle while hanging from a streetlight".

This ones alot better...
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=160367139451

[K.C.]

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[K.C.]

If the Phillies play the Yankees, the series will be won or lost on the following sequences in these games:

6th & 7th innings
-Coke vs. Utley, Coke vs. Howard, Robertson vs. Werth, Marte vs. Ibanez

-Eyre vs. Damon, Eyre vs. Teixeira, Park vs. A-Rod, Park vs. Posada

And then Madson and Lidge are going to have to show the stuff they had in the previous two series.

Rivera is probably money...Joba and Hughes could be rattled.

[TripleSkeet]

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That second video has been removed. What was it?

[Earlshog]

If the Phillies play the Yankees, the series will be won or lost on the following sequences in these games:

6th & 7th innings
-Coke vs. Utley, Coke vs. Howard, Robertson vs. Werth, Marte vs. Ibanez

-Eyre vs. Damon, Eyre vs. Teixeira, Park vs. A-Rod, Park vs. Posada

And then Madson and Lidge are going to have to show the stuff they had in the previous two series.

Rivera is probably money...Joba and Hughes could be rattled.


Rivera is the best that ever done it but facing Rollins, Victorino, Utley, then Howard.. I'd say the Phils chances are better then most.

On Seperate note I was walking my Dog last night and I was rockin a Phillies batting Jersey, some dip shit yankee fan yells out his car window that the Yanks are gonna sweep the Phillies.. I just yelled back ya gotta get there first... the joys of living in Yankeeville haha

[KingGeno]

Rivera is the best that ever done it but facing Rollins, Victorino, Utley, then Howard.. I'd say the Phils chances are better then most.

On Seperate note I was walking my Dog last night and I was rockin a Phillies batting Jersey, some dip shit yankee fan yells out his car window that the Yanks are gonna sweep the Phillies.. I just yelled back ya gotta get there first... the joys of living in Yankeeville haha

Lots of lowlifes in NY. They'll be there when the Yanks by up most talent, but if they stink they'll abandon all argument. They mostly know nothing about baseball either, I've noticed.

"Philly will lose because Philly sucks so bad, blah blah blah. Personal things happened there, so that makes the town suck so bad. Bwah bwah bwah. Cry cry cry."

Douches

[K.C.]

That second video has been removed. What was it?

Brett Myers drunkenly trying to pull a Joe Namath with some broad on Comcast after the game and getting denied.

[hammersavage]

i'm so happy that guy fell off the cab.

[Furtherman]

Lots of lowlifes in NY. They'll be there when the Yanks by up most talent, but if they stink they'll abandon all argument. They mostly know nothing about baseball either, I've noticed.

"Philly will lose because Philly sucks so bad, blah blah blah. Personal things happened there, so that makes the town suck so bad. Bwah bwah bwah. Cry cry cry."

Douches

I've never seen so much unwarranted Philly hate simply because of a sports team than I've seen in North Jersey. I can only imagine that it has something to do with living in the shadow of NYC and they're siding with them when NYC looks down on someone else.

It's like a bully picking on someone in the schoolyard, and kids fall in line either with or against the bully, depending on whether the bully allows them to stand behind him.
Then there are those kids who aren't the bully's friends, nor are they the bully's enemies. They're just kinda, there. They jump with the bully. The bully doesn't give a shit about them. The bully doesn't even know their name.

But those kids feel like they're tough, even if it's for a few moments.

That's the Philly haters in North Jersey.

[hammersavage]

I've never seen so much unwarranted Philly hate simply because of a sports team than I've seen in North Jersey. I can only imagine that it has something to do with living in the shadow of NYC and they're siding with them when NYC looks down on someone else.

It's like a bully picking on someone in the schoolyard, and kids fall in line either with or against the bully, depending on whether the bully allows them to stand behind him.
Then there are those kids who aren't the bully's friends, nor are they the bully's enemies. They're just kinda, there. They jump with the bully. The bully doesn't give a shit about them. The bully doesn't even know their name.

But those kids feel like they're tough, even if it's for a few moments.

That's the Philly haters in North Jersey.

so you feel picked on? faggot.

and that doesn't explain me, palllll

[Furtherman]

so you feel picked on?

Not at all. I'm over at the cool kids table getting cookies from the girls.

[K.C.]

so you feel picked on? faggot.

and that doesn't explain me, palllll


The term hammersavaging does. Second worst thing you can call a man...

[Marc with a c]

Brett Myers drunkenly trying to pull a Joe Namath with some broad on Comcast after the game and getting denied.

did he punch her for it?

[TripleSkeet]

The term hammersavaging does. Second worst thing you can call a man...

I thought it meant the same thing.

[K.C.]

If the Yanks close it out tonight, likely matchups are

Game 1 - Sabathia vs. Lee
Game 2 - Burnett vs. Hamels
Game 3 - Pettitte vs. Martinez
Game 4 - Sabathia (three days rest) vs. Lee (three days rest)
Game 5 - Gaudin vs. Happ
Game 6 - Burnett vs. Hamels
Game 7 - Sabathia (three days rest) vs. Lee (three days rest)

Burnett could possibly pitch Game 5 on short rest, but I'm not sure he's ever done. No chance Hamels goes on short rest in the series.

[TripleSkeet]

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Just found out today I know this asshole. :wallbash:

[MC Pee Pants]

Why isnt this thread locked?

[KingGeno]

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/phillies_focus_on_polanco_talk.html

Looks like a Polanco signing is eminent. Pretty good pickup.

[TripleSkeet]

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/phillies_focus_on_polanco_talk.html

Looks like a Polanco signing is eminent. Pretty good pickup.

Id rather have Beltre.

[PigShitIrish]

They signed Polanco to a 3 year deal.

[KingGeno]

Id rather have Beltre.

I'm not so sure about it. Polanco def is the better player of the two. Happy they got him.

Slide him into that 2nd spot, slide Victorino down a little. Should be nice.

[KingGeno]

I got a call from Ruben Amaro earlier, thanking me for being a partial season ticket holder. I said I would thank him back if they removed the 25% money due right before christmas, signed Chone Figgins and Roy Halladay, and bumped me up to Suite tickets.

[PD]

They signed Polanco to a 3 year deal.
3 yrs plus option for 4th.

[K.C.]

This is a great move.

Polanco's a career .303 hitter and never strikes out, and won two gold gloves in the last three years.

He slides right into the #2 spot, Vic slides down to #7 where he's better suited.

Plus, with Polanco, it allows you to move Utley to 1B from time to time to rest Howard, without taking too much firepower out of the lineup.

When Utley gets a rest, Polanco can play 2B, and Castro 3B.