2008 New York Yankees Thread

[Doctor Z]

The next day always hurts the most...






LOTS of question marks going into this off-season. In no particular order:

* Will Joe Torre be back? If not, then who?
* Will A-Rod be back?
* Will Pettitte pick up his option?
* Will Mariano be re-signed?
* Will Posada be re-signed?
* Will the Yankees pick up Abreu's option?
* Will the Yankees pursue Johan Santana?
* Is Mussina finally done?
* Is Clemens finally done?
* What does the Yankees' rotation look like next year?
* Is Joba in that rotation? Or does he stay in the bullpen?
* ...giambi?


Get to speculating, because it helps mask the pain.

[Kevin]

The next day always hurts the most...






LOTS of question marks going into this off-season. In no particular order:

* Will Joe Torre be back? If not, then who? No, Girardi* Will A-Rod be back? Dunno
* Will Pettitte pick up his option? Yes
* Will Mariano be re-signed? Yes
* Will Posada be re-signed? Yes* Will the Yankees pick up Abreu's option? No
* Will the Yankees pursue Johan Santana? Yes* Is Mussina finally done? Yes but he will be back* Is Clemens finally done? Yes* What does the Yankees' rotation look like next year? Wang Hughes Joba Kennedy Andy
* Is Joba in that rotation? Or does he stay in the bullpen? See above
* ...giambi? Homo


Get to speculating, because it helps mask the pain.

There yee go.. Thats my opinion..

And on a side note. I know i have been very critical of Joe and think he should go.. But can these fucking vulture newspapers lay off him?? The man gave 12 good years... Maybe 9... but still.. even if that was not the case, the man is pure class.. Just let him go with dignity.. He doesn't need to see headlines like Keep him or dump him.. Or jobless Joe.. Let the man leave like he deserves to leave. Fucking douchebag vultures.

[Snacks]

The next day always hurts the most...






LOTS of question marks going into this off-season. In no particular order:

* Will Joe Torre be back? If not, then who?
* Will A-Rod be back?
* Will Pettitte pick up his option?
* Will Mariano be re-signed?
* Will Posada be re-signed?
* Will the Yankees pick up Abreu's option?
* Will the Yankees pursue Johan Santana?
* Is Mussina finally done?
* Is Clemens finally done?
* What does the Yankees' rotation look like next year?
* Is Joba in that rotation? Or does he stay in the bullpen?
* ...giambi?


Get to speculating, because it helps mask the pain.

How about adding:

Will they sign Bonds to DH?
Will they sign hunter or A Jones?
Can they cut or trade Giambi with only 1 year left.
Will they trade Giambi after signing Hunter or Jones?
Will they ever get younger or constantly over pay for players in the twilight of their careers?
Is there a curse on the yanks? "The curse of the 2004 collapse" "The curse of Nats" " Big Fuckin Papi"

[Kevin]

How about adding:

Will they sign Bonds to DH?
Will they sign hunter or A Jones?
Can they cut or trade Giambi with only 1 year left.
Will they trade Giambi after signing Hunter or Jones?
Will they ever get younger or constantly over pay for players in the twilight of their careers?
Is there a curse on the yanks? "The curse of the 2004 collapse" "The curse of Nats" " Big Fuckin Papi"

Bonds.. NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNo
Jones Hunter.. I am hearing maybe a package of a Kennedy and Melky for Santana. If thats the case.. Maybe
Giambi.. If Arod stays.. We maybe can dump him to the Angels.. They wanted him last year.
Yanks are def going to get Younger
Curses are gay excuses for ineptitude

[Jujubees2]

There yee go.. Thats my opinion..

And on a side note. I know i have been very critical of Joe and think he should go.. But can these fucking vulture newspapers lay off him?? The man gave 12 good years... Maybe 9... but still.. even if that was not the case, the man is pure class.. Just let him go with dignity.. He doesn't need to see headlines like Keep him or dump him.. Or jobless Joe.. Let the man leave like he deserves to leave. Fucking douchebag vultures.

Sorry man, but it comes with the territory. Don't be manager of the Yankees (and make millions per year) if you don't want your face splashed across the back page of the tabloids.

[Kevin]

Sorry man, but it comes with the territory. Don't be manager of the Yankees (and make millions per year) if you don't want your face splashed across the back page of the tabloids.

I know what you mean and i don't expect anything different.. But i really do respect the man as a person and its hard to see this..

[BoondockSaint]

Anyone have the audio of Waldman crying? I'd like to jack to it.

[Kevin]

Anyone have the audio of Waldman crying? I'd like to jack to it.

I hope there is one of sterling crying too.

[Marc with a c]

Mussina has another year left, and joba should stay in the pen.

Melky and kennedy for johan?
Not gonna happen.

[Kevin]

Mussina has another year left, and joba should stay in the pen.

Melky and kennedy for johan?
Not gonna happen.

Obviously not just that.. but thats the start of a package... And unless your giviing up Reyes id like to see the Mets top it... By the way.. nice job passing up Hughes for Humber.. Hows that turning out?? Humber went 4th Hughes 20+

[Marc with a c]

Humber has thrown 7 innings time to pass judgement on his future career.

[Doctor Z]

Just heard that Detroit got Pudge for another year/$13 mil. So, the Yankees literally have NO option but to sign Posada asap.

[Kevin]

Humber has thrown 7 innings time to pass judgement on his future career.

Well right now its obvious that Hughes is the Superior pitcher.. By far..

[Snacks]

I know what you mean and i don't expect anything different.. But i really do respect the man as a person and its hard to see this..

Dont take it too personal I love the part in A Bronx Tale when Calogero and Sonny are talking about the yanks.


Sonny: You must be pretty upset
that the Yankees lost.

Calogero: Ben Lazeroski -I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said The Mick was crying.

Sonny: You're upset about Mickey Mantle? He makes $100,000 a year.
What does your pa make?

Calogero: I don't know.

Sonny: You don't know? Go ask Mickey Mantle to pay your rent,
see what he says. He don't care about you so why should
you care about him? Nobody cares.


I love that movie and couldnt agree more. I like a lot of players and hate when they get shitted on for no reason. But to be honest I never care too much because this part of the movie is so true!

[Marc with a c]

Well right now its obvious that Hughes is the Superior pitcher.. By far..

Obviously, he is held in higher regard now, but you have no clue what will happen.

"I'm going to be a great pitcher for a long time with the yankees, I'm the best"

-Brien taylor

[Kevin]

take it to effect that Humber will be 26 next year.. Hughes 22. Hughes will only get better.. I say after you reach the age of 26 and your still not established.. and a big part of a rotation Your not a big time prospect..

[Snacks]

take it to effect that Humber will be 26 next year.. Hughes 22. Hughes will only get better.. I say after you reach the age of 26 and your still not established.. and a big part of a rotation Your not a big time prospect..

Better not say that to phillies fans about Ryan Howard! he took awhile to make it to the big leagues. His rookie of the year , year was I think when he was 26?

[Marc with a c]

I'm not arguing with you lace curtains. I'd obviously take hughes over humber but you have no clue which one will have a better career.

[BoondockSaint]

take it to effect that Humber will be 26 next year.. Hughes 22. Hughes will only get better.. I say after you reach the age of 26 and your still not established.. and a big part of a rotation Your not a big time prospect..



He turns 25 in December and if he's good enough he'll be in the rotation next year. We'll see.

[Kevin]

Better not say that to phillies fans about Ryan Howard! he took awhile to make it to the big leagues. His rookie of the year , year was I think when he was 26?

That rule is basicaly for pitchers for Me.. And there is no reason for keeping Howard in the minors that long in the minors.. He was murdering the Minors for years.

[Jujubees2]

Anyone have the audio of Waldman crying? I'd like to jack to it.

Here you go. It's the entire postgame but you get it.

http://podcast.wcbs880.com/wcbs/707966.mp3

[BoondockSaint]

Here you go. It's the entire postgame but you get it.

http://podcast.wcbs880.com/wcbs/707966.mp3


Thank you! That's hysterical.

[lleeder]

All of these season threads just turn into Mets /Yankees/Red Sox arguement threads. Can't we just merge all of them and call it the Baseball Shouting Match Thread.

[spoon]

take it to effect that Humber will be 26 next year.. Hughes 22. Hughes will only get better.. I say after you reach the age of 26 and your still not established.. and a big part of a rotation Your not a big time prospect..

Pitchers really don't come into their best stuff until then so I'm not sold on your argument. Not to mention that the yanks had very little choice on the matter of bringing up Hughes and perhaps did it too quick? Not that he didn't look good in the last outing, but how was he before that. You jump on the image the papers put out for players way too quick and act like there is no way Humber will end up having a better career. In reality they're 3 years difference in age and NEITHER have proven shit yet. I give credit to Marc for having the mental capacity to understand this. Humber has logged 9 fucking innings to Hughes 72 and you're calling him out!? That's hardly enough for Hughes, let alone Humber!




Philip Humber P Bats: R Throws: R Born: 12/21/1982
Go to Player Bio >>
CAREER STATS | SPLITS | GAME BY GAME LOG | HITTING CHART | POSTSEASON & ALL-STAR

Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2006 New York Mets 0 0 0.00 2 0 0 0 0 0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2
2007 New York Mets 0 0 7.71 3 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 9 6 6 1 0 2 2

Career Totals 0 0 6.00 5 1 0 0 0 0 9.0 9 6 6 1 0 3 4

Phil Hughes P Bats: R Throws: R Born: 06/24/1986
Go to Player Bio >>
CAREER STATS | SPLITS | GAME BY GAME LOG | HITTING CHART | POSTSEASON & ALL-STAR

Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2007 New York Yankees 5 3 4.46 13 13 0 0 0 0 72.2 64 39 36 8 2 29 58

Career Totals 5 3 4.46 13 13 0 0 0 0 72.2 64 39 36 8 2 29 58

[spoon]

All of these season threads just turn into Mets /Yankees/Red Sox arguement threads. Can't we just merge all of them and call it the Baseball Shouting Match Thread.

Don't forget the one super loyal Blue Jay fucktard! Fuck all ya all! Especially Lleeder for forgetting.

[Kevin]

Don't forget the one super loyal Blue Jay fucktard! Fuck all ya all! Especially Lleeder for forgetting.

Blue Jays?? What sport do they play again??

[lleeder]

Don't forget the one super loyal Blue Jay fucktard! Fuck all ya all! Especially Lleeder for forgetting.

I'd never forget you. You're like Max Kellerman on a speedball.

[Marc with a c]

Nice. I have mental capacity, and all kevin has is a butt cut.

[Kevin]

Nice. I have mental capacity, and all kevin has is a butt cut.

It always comes down to man ass with you doesn't it..

[spoon]

Blue Jays?? What sport do they play again??

See, I told you he's oblivious to the rest of the league! A douche a bag.

Now where's my speed ball?

[spoon]

Nice. I have mental capacity, and all kevin has is a butt cut.

The butt cut is the meatiest slice of beef!

[Kevin]

See, I told you he's oblivious to the rest of the league! A douche a bag.

Now where's my speed ball?

There are OTHER teams besides the Sox and the Yanks in the AL East???

SINCE WHEN??

[spoon]

There are OTHER teams besides the Sox and the Yanks in the AL East???

SINCE WHEN??

Honestly, 1992/1993 before the salary explosion. Weird how that ties into the yank dominance huh?

[lleeder]

If the Yankees let Mariano go, let Posada go, let A-rod go, don't pick up Abreau's option, Pettitte declines his option, they find someone to take Giambi, Igawa, and Mussina's remaining contracts, and they don't sign any free agents, then will you be nice to the new reduced payroll Yankees? :huh:

[spoon]

If the Yankees let Mariano go, let Posada go, let A-rod go, don't pick up Abreau's option, Pettitte declines his option, they find someone to take Giambi, Igawa, and Mussina's remaining contracts, and they don't sign any free agents, then will you be nice to the new reduced payroll Yankees? :huh:

That's as much a possibility of Kevin making a good point, Sheepy spelling correctly/making moves on women, HTG doing something exciting, Don Stugots being Italian/putting together a good show and Snoogans going a month without pot/gay sex with Marc ac. Simply put, not even remotely possible.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I watched the game with 30 other people, 20 of them were fireman who love the Yankees, I was hated and almost attacked when I was cheering for the Injuns

The Yanks need a bonafide # 1 starter, Chicken Wing Wong is a good 2 or a gr8 #3, but he is contact pitcher.

The Yanks need a lights out Strikeout pitcher as a # 1

Also Id let the kids pitch, the yanks are notorious for signing pitchers who are good in low pressure teams for 1 or 2 years. They come to NY and fail miserably

also Keep your 1st baseman, you need that defense. The Yanks have enough offense.


Fire Torre, he is done.... 0 titles Since 2000, also he is the Whipping Boy when the Yanks Lose

this being said

HA HA ......

I saw the Yanks at the Golf Course Today......


:king:

[Doctor Z]

The ONLY guy fit for the job is Joe Girardi. If they turn to someone else, then I think the Yankees could be in big trouble. Mattingly could honestly be a disaster, as he has never managed in his life and I think he is basically just Torre-Lite, and I don't think La Rusa is fit for the New York media.

Girardi, however, is a former catcher, a guy who is familiar with the pressure of New York and the spotlight, a guy who has won championships here, won Manager of the Year in his FIRST year as a manager, and most importantly, he is GREAT at handling young talent, especially a young pitching staff. Girardi is the man for the job. If they go with anyone else, it's a fucking mistake.

[TheMojoPin]

And a guy who got his "manager training" under Torre and has talked repeatedly about how Torre was a mentor to him in terms of how to coach a team. It baffles me how people here repeatedly ignore this and charge others as likely being just "Torre-light."

Though I agree Mattingly taking over would likely bomb. Make him coach a few years in the minors first.

[TheGameHHH]

And a guy who got his "manager training" under Torre and has talked repeatedly about how Torre was a mentor to him in terms of how to coach a team. It baffles me how people here repeatedly ignore this and charge others as likely being just "Torre-light."

Though I agree Mattingly taking over would likely bomb. Make him coach a few years in the minors first.

i agree, i do think with a few more years Donnie Baseball will most def. be ready to manage the Yanks. I would like to see Torre stay, but since its about 99.9% certain his time is over then I would like to see Joe G. take over. His experience as not only a manager but a catcher as well are extremely important assets in managing a ball club. If theres one person who is clearly an awful idea to manage the Yanks it's LaRussa.

[Snoogans]

Don Mattingly sucks













Yea, I said it

[Fallon]

Don Mattingly sucks
Yea, I said it

Chicks dig him though.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/jteesmith/donymarge.jpg

[Snoogans]

Joe Namath sucks, too, Jets fans. Seriously, Joe Namath really sucked

[Kevin]

And a guy who got his "manager training" under Torre and has talked repeatedly about how Torre was a mentor to him in terms of how to coach a team. It baffles me how people here repeatedly ignore this and charge others as likely being just "Torre-light."

Though I agree Mattingly taking over would likely bomb. Make him coach a few years in the minors first.

I personally want that Jinx Mattingly out of the organization completely.. Maybe then we can win again..

[Doctor Z]

Aren't the Red Sox still playing baseball? Go post in your thread, you've got some important games coming up.

[Fallon]

Aren't the Red Sox still playing baseball? Go post in your thread, you've got some important games coming up.

Yeah, not until Friday. We're bored.

[Kevin]

Aren't the Red Sox still playing baseball? Go post in your thread, you've got some important games coming up.

Because the #1 best thing to happend in their lives happend

#1 Yankees lose
#2 Redsox win the WS...

[Snoogans]

Yeah, not until Friday. We're bored.

bored enough to do this:

Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT
TOTAL | 140 | 1886 3762 50.1 27663 7.4 173 220

TOTAL | 129 | 2110 3602 58.6 25094 7.0 128 98

The stats on the top row belong to Joe "HOF" Namath
The second row is possibly the Jets most hated QB of all time, Kenny O'Brien

[Bulldogcakes]

take it to effect that Humber will be 26 next year.. Hughes 22. Hughes will only get better.. I say after you reach the age of 26 and your still not established.. and a big part of a rotation Your not a big time prospect..

Cutoff for most prospects is 25 actually, unless there are extenuating circumstances like Tommy John surgery.

[Snacks]

Joe Namath sucks, too, Jets fans. Seriously, Joe Namath really sucked

that is so true. He has to be the worst QB to ever get in the Hall of Fame. Look at his stats hes a joke, the only reason he's in the hall is he won a SB (which he didnt win, the def kicked ass and so did Matt Snell) he payed in NY and he "guaranteed" a SB victory (which he really didnt do, thats a myth)

I only hate 1 pro sports team and that is the NY Jets. (NE Pats are joining that list soon) I hate living in NY Area and being forced to watch this horse shit team every week. Everything about that team is annoying. The uniforms, their coach, their history, they way they play the game is god awful.

[Snoogans]

seriously, jets games are the worst, most boring shit in the history of the world. I fuckin hate them so much

[Bulldogcakes]

The ONLY guy fit for the job is Joe Girardi. If they turn to someone else, then I think the Yankees could be in big trouble. Mattingly could honestly be a disaster, as he has never managed in his life and I think he is basically just Torre-Lite, and I don't think La Rusa is fit for the New York media.

Girardi, however, is a former catcher, a guy who is familiar with the pressure of New York and the spotlight, a guy who has won championships here, won Manager of the Year in his FIRST year as a manager, and most importantly, he is GREAT at handling young talent, especially a young pitching staff. Girardi is the man for the job. If they go with anyone else, it's a fucking mistake.

I agree, most Yankee fans do and I know Cashman is a Girardi guy as well. But there are other voices involved, some think Mattingly is more marketable and a way bigger name. But you generally change a calm guy with a fiery guy, and Mattingly is very similar to Torre. Plus there are questions about his readiness, he's basically learned everything he knows from Torre and Torre has never been known for his in game management.


Don't take the LaRussa stuff seriously. Klapisch AND Heyman were on Kay's show, plus I heard Peter Abraham on FAN and all said that this stuff is coming from LaRussa's side, NOT the Yanks. They all said they couldn't find a single Yank source who was a LaRussa guy. And we all know that LaRussa is negotiating a new contract.

[Bulldogcakes]

The next day always hurts the most...






LOTS of question marks going into this off-season. In no particular order:

* Will Joe Torre be back? If not, then who? I keep hearing Mattingly is the lead horse, I hope its Girardi
* Will A-Rod be back? Nobody knows, but my guess is no. I suspect he WILL opt out no matter what the Yanks offer him, and then he's gone. Cashman has said repeatedly he won't bid on him at that point.
* Will Pettitte pick up his option? Yes. He said his first concern is family, and that he wants to retire a Yankee. Houston has moved on from him and Clemens.
* Will Mariano be re-signed? Yes
* Will Posada be re-signed? Yes
* Will the Yankees pick up Abreu's option? Yes
* Will the Yankees pursue Johan Santana? Yes, but won't get him
* Is Mussina finally done? Yes, but will keep pitching next year
* Is Clemens finally done? Yes
* What does the Yankees' rotation look like next year? Opening day or mid season? Mid season I'll say *Bedard*, Hughes, Chamberlain, Wang, Mussina.
There will be other, less expensive options than Santana and I suspect Melky and Kennedy/Horne won't get it done. I don't even want to hear anyone talk about including Hughes or Joba in a deal. Sabathia, Dontrelle, Santana and Bedard are all expected to be shopped, either in the winter or next July. You could land any one of the others and just go sign Santana in the 08 off season.

* ...giambi? Where else will he go? Last year anyway.



There's also a very good chance that NONE of the pitchers I mentioned gets moved this winter. I could def see the Twins keep him and try to compete next year. Same goes for Sabathia. If they fall out of it, then shop him. He'll fetch a comparable amount either way.

[Bulldogcakes]

Here's the 08-09 Free agent class (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2002/02/2008-09-free-agents.html)

Starting Pitchers
A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out)
Jon Garland CWS
Rich Harden * OAK
John Lackey * LAA
Derek Lowe LAD
Pedro Martinez NYM
Mark Mulder * STL
Jake Peavy * SD
Brad Penny * LAD
Andy Pettitte NYY
Mark Prior CHC
C.C. Sabathia CLE
Johan Santana MIN
Ben Sheets MIL

* - player whose contract includes 2009 option. Either team, player or mutual


One of the best in history for starting pitchers. Any one of these pitchers could be shopped if their team falls out of contention in 08.

[Bulldogcakes]

About the whole A-Rod opt out, many in the Yankee front office think he wants out, that he's not happy here. If you listened to his post game interviews this year he tried as hard as he could not to be himself, to act like Jeter and say nothing but "team" related cliches. But that's not A-Rod. That tells me right there he's going to test the waters. He wants to be "the guy" and he'll never be that here while Jeter is breathing. If we've learned ANYTHING about A-Rod, he has an enormous ego and it needs to be fed and stroked. That doesn't happen here, not the way he wants it.

Its going to be hard if not impossible to replace his numbers. Maybe you cant, and maybe thats OK. You don't have to lead the league in runs scored every year. We have for most of the last 5 and its got us nowhere in the playoffs. Critics of the Yanks call it a "bully" hitting team. Meaning it beats up on the bad pitchers and goes to sleep against good ones. Especially in the playoffs. A-Rod is exhibit A in this criticism. They also had a problem this year where all the lefty hitters slumped at the same time. Some think they need to diversify the kinds of hitters they target. Yanks generally favor good fastball hitters, home run hitters. It may be time to look at adding different types of hitters. In particular, ones that may not have gaudy overall numbers, but ones that have good 2 strike/2 out/close and late numbers. Underrated guys who help you win games in big spots. "Grinders" as Girardi likes to call them.

[Bulldogcakes]

Maybe the Yanks can sell Mattingly on getting more experience in AAA. He's said repeatedly he's not in any rush to manage, and it would be smart of him to not be the guy who follows Torre. The guy that follows Torre will constantly be measured against him.

There's also some who think Girardi may not have the temperament to last here (I don't think thats true). Give Girardi a 2 year deal, and have Mattingly on the farm getting in game experience and waiting in the wings if Girardi falters. Given the youth movement the Yanks are currently adopting centered around pitching it makes sense to have a manager who understands pitchers and has worked successfully with a young team. Plus Girardi is Cashman's guy. If you're going to keep Cashman then give him the manager he wants.

Just tell George Girardi has 3 rings, Mattingly has zero.

[Kevin]

Maybe the Yanks can sell Mattingly on getting more experience in AAA. He's said repeatedly he's not in any rush to manage, and it would be smart of him to not be the guy who follows Torre. The guy that follows Torre will constantly be measured against him.

There's also some who think Girardi may not have the temperament to last here (I don't think thats true). Give Girardi a 2 year deal, and have Mattingly on the farm getting in game experience and waiting in the wings if Girardi falters. Given the youth movement the Yanks are currently adopting centered around pitching it makes sense to have a manager who understands pitchers and has worked successfully with a young team. Plus Girardi is Cashman's guy. If you're going to keep Cashman then give him the manager he wants.

Just tell George Girardi has 3 rings, Mattingly has zero.

As i stated before.. I want Mattingly totaly out of the org..

[spoon]

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071009&content_id=2258840&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor

Any thoughts? It seems two top hitting yanks really like the guy. Let's hope they're right.

[Kevin]

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071009&content_id=2258840&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor

Any thoughts? It seems two top hitting yanks really like the guy. Let's hope they're right.

SEE!!! Yankee payroll ALREADY going down! Don't remember him much... But i do remember one of the main reasons we lost that WS is pathetic hitting.. But then again the core of those Yankees were getting Old.. O'Neill, Brocious etc.. So not too sure..

[spoon]

Make sense, hitting coach!

[Bulldogcakes]

Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/sports/baseball/10yankees.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

Yet he knows that replacing Torre, his close friend who won four World Series, would be an extraordinary challenge.

“I would think it’s like following John Wooden or somebody,” Mattingly said yesterday. “The guy’s won championship after championship, and he’s in the playoffs every year. It’s pretty much a no-win situation for someone to come in here and be able to experience what he’s done. It’s not going to happen. So as far as coming in here and taking on that job, it’s not necessarily a great situation.”

Wow. Sounds like he's not even interested, at least not now.

[HBox]

Here's my suggestions:
1. Resign Mo and Posada
2. Pick up Abreu's option
3. Pick up a quality reliever. Resign Vizcaino. He's at least decent.
4. Do whatever you can to keep Mussina off the team next year. Trade him, convinve him to retire, anything.
5. Keep an eye out for a decent first baseman. Keep Mientkievicz if neccessary.
6. Make sure Joba is a part of the rotation.

As for Torre I've softened a bit. Whether he stays or goes doesn't make much of difference to me. The difference this team needs is pitching. Wang is a solid 2/3 guy. He proved he's not an ace. The pitching staff needs depth. The starting rotation looks set up, all that's left to do is wait and hope for development. Hopefully Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain are all in the rotation next year. And hopefully they develop quick. The bullpen will need help. Hopefully Ohlendorf will be a help. Hopefully Vizcaino's arm isn't dead. And hopefully they can pick up another quality reliever and solidify the bullpen.

[HBox]

Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/sports/baseball/10yankees.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)



Wow. Sounds like he's not even interested, at least not now.

Abraham thinks he's just being repectful. (http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/09/report-from-yankee-stadium/)

Which Torre deserves. It would be classless if Mattingly was openly campaigning for the job before Joe's fired. And it would be unworkably awkward next year if Steinbrenner changed his mind and kept Torre.

[A.J.]

Anyone have the audio of Waldman crying? I'd like to jack to it.

Here you go. It's the entire postgame but you get it.

http://podcast.wcbs880.com/wcbs/707966.mp3

Thank you! That's hysterical.


Reporter cries over Yankees loss

Posted: Wednesday October 10, 2007 06:25AM ET

Suzyn Waldman was unapologetic Tuesday for choking up and sobbing briefly in her report Monday night on WCBS-AM after the Indians knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs. "That's who I am," she said. "It's unusual, but not for me. I am emotional. I'm a conduit between the players and the fans, and everyone was crying."

New York Times (http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb?cnn=yes)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

My Jinx worked like a Charm

I bet $$ on the Yanks, so I really wanted to win

But I was Laughing when the Yanks Lost

Joe Torre will be a gr8 addition to Baseball Tonight


:king:

PS Gr8 Line Boondock with the J/Oing to Waldmyn Crying Tape

[Snoogans]

Reporter cries over Yankees loss

Posted: Wednesday October 10, 2007 06:25AM ET

Suzyn Waldman was unapologetic Tuesday for choking up and sobbing briefly in her report Monday night on WCBS-AM after the Indians knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs. "That's who I am," she said. "It's unusual, but not for me. I am emotional. I'm a conduit between the players and the fans, and everyone was crying."

New York Times (http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb?cnn=yes)

NO YOU AREN'T BITCH You are supposed to be an impartial announcer of the game.

[Snacks]

NO YOU AREN'T BITCH You are supposed to be an impartial announcer of the game.

yesterday I sent the sound clip of her crying to a few friends. One of them wrote back that i was being to hard on her. I basically said what you said snoogs. She is suppose to report the story not become part of it. She makes me sick, she probably knows more about baseball then me and I dont care. I do not want to hear some whinny bitch talking about baseball and then crying. No one died, stop the shit. Even when she tries to sound like an excited baseball announcer she sounds pathetic. Remember the Clemens is in George booth scream, cackle or whatever you want to call it?

[BoondockSaint]

NO YOU AREN'T BITCH You are supposed to be an impartial announcer of the game.


I'm just surprised that Sterling didn't bust in with a sponsor.

"This post-game crying jag is brought to you by Yankee Hankees. Get your Yankee Hankees for all of your post-season crying needs. They are available at your local Walbaums or wherever tissues are sold."

[TheGameHHH]

it appears the Yanks decision to let Joe go will reflect heavily on Mo's decision to return. If Joe goes Mo might not come back. awesome decision.

[Kevin]

it appears the Yanks decision to let Joe go will reflect heavily on Mo's decision to return. If Joe goes Mo might not come back. awesome decision.

Mo isn't going anywhere.. With or without Torre.. Yanks will offer him good money and he will sign. This will have absolutely no bearing on the decision.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I could have sworn I heard Susan Waldman Scream

"It's Still Real to Me""

:king:

[TheGameHHH]

Mo isn't going anywhere.. With or without Torre.. Yanks will offer him good money and he will sign. This will have absolutely no bearing on the decision.

check ESPN.com and Abraham's blog, get back to me.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm just surprised that Sterling didn't bust in with a sponsor.

"This post-game crying jag is brought to you by Yankee Hankees. Get your Yankee Hankees for all of your post-season crying needs. They are available at your local Walbaums or wherever tissues are sold."
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
:thumbup::clap:

[HBox]

Last month I was listening to one of the Yankee home games on the XM feed and I picked up Sterling off mic, barely audible, saying, "Did we do that stupid thing yet?" Then a second later on mic he goes into some Lowe's commercial. I laughed my ass off.

[Bulldogcakes]

Abraham thinks he's just being repectful. (http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/09/report-from-yankee-stadium/)

Which Torre deserves. It would be classless if Mattingly was openly campaigning for the job before Joe's fired. And it would be unworkably awkward next year if Steinbrenner changed his mind and kept Torre.

He may be, but George likes guys with fire in the belly. I've always questioned his appetite for all the shit that goes along with being Yankee manager. Don't forget, he was out of baseball for 10 years and George had to go all the way to Evansville Indiana to convince him to come back. I wonder if comments like that give George and the Yankee brass pause about him. Its one thing to be hitting coach or pitching coach. There you don't get questioned every day for every single move you make on the field that day. I could easily see him not wanting to deal with all that shit. He's never worked in the media. He's never played on a championship team. Mattingly lives in the same house he bought when he was promoted to AAA. I can see someone like him just wanting to sleep in his own bed rather than deal with the stress of a high profile big media market job.

I know Cashman will be lobbying for Girardi. Its the smart baseball move. He represents a different style from Torre, he's proved he can work with young players, he has managerial experience and as a former catcher has handled pitching staffs. He has worked for a few years in the media so he understands that angle of the business. Plus, he won manager of the year in his first try and has 3 championship rings. NONE of the above can be said about Mattingly. In terms of qualifications, its no contest. Girardi has a good chance to be a great manager, Mattingly is an unknown.

Really, when you think about it if you're going to hire a inexperienced manager who everyone calls Torre-lite, it makes no sense to get rid of Torre. You might as well keep him if you're going to hire Mattingly. The only explanation I can give is turning the page from the 04 collapse, that no Torre managed team will ever be the same. Deep down, they will always remember the collapse. Mattingly is very popular, marketable, he makes business sense for the Yanks. But so does Torre. Thats Girardi's weak spot, he's not as popular with the fans or as marketable.

If its a business decision, you pick Mattingly. If its a baseball decision, you pick Girardi. Cashman has to worry about lobbying too hard for a losing candidate as well. If he's seen as not wanting Mattingly, it doesn't make sense to keep a GM that doesn't like the manager that ownership has agreed upon. There's also some doubt as to how much currency he currently has among ownership, given George's "big hook" comment.

[Bulldogcakes]

Is everyone else as convinced as I am that A-Rod is gone? If so, who's out 3B next year?

Don't tell me Wilson Betemit. This is the Yankees were talking about.

Here's this years free agent list
Third basemen
Pedro Feliz (33)
Mike Lamb (32)
Mike Lowell (34)

Lowell is the only one that makes any sense, but he's still not that attractive in Yankee stadium with the big left field. Many think his bounce back season had a lot to do with Fenway.

That leaves you with trades. Glaus? Miguel Cabrera? Anyone else? Is it time to consider finding a SS and asking Jeter to move to third at 33? When he was brought up from the minors in 1995-96 they said at the time they would eventually move him to third.

[BoondockSaint]

Drew Henson.

[Bulldogcakes]

Whole new coaching staff, mostly new rotation, A-Rod likely gone. Posada and Mo possibly gone (though I doubt it, but thats what I said about Pettite in 03). Big trade or two possible.

08 will likely be a VERY different team.

[Bulldogcakes]

Drew Henson.

http://www.nationalbingo.co.uk/wallpapers/bingo_bitch_1024x768.jpg

[Kevin]

Is everyone else as convinced as I am that A-Rod is gone? If so, who's out 3B next year?

Don't tell me Wilson Betemit. This is the Yankees were talking about.

Here's this years free agent list
Third basemen
Pedro Feliz (33)
Mike Lamb (32)
Mike Lowell (34)

Lowell is the only one that makes any sense, but he's still not that attractive in Yankee stadium with the big left field. Many think his bounce back season had a lot to do with Fenway.

That leaves you with trades. Glaus? Miguel Cabrera? Anyone else? Is it time to consider finding a SS and asking Jeter to move to third at 33? When he was brought up from the minors in 1995-96 they said at the time they would eventually move him to third.


Cabrera would take at least 2 of our pitchers that should be in the rotation.. I dont see him here.. Maybe Lowell or Glaus.. But Glaus is so injury prone.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't care if Charley Steiner and Sterling want to murder each other. Dump Waldman and bring back Charley.

[TheGameHHH]

Is everyone else as convinced as I am that A-Rod is gone? If so, who's out 3B next year?

Don't tell me Wilson Betemit. This is the Yankees were talking about.

Here's this years free agent list
Third basemen
Pedro Feliz (33)
Mike Lamb (32)
Mike Lowell (34)

Lowell is the only one that makes any sense, but he's still not that attractive in Yankee stadium with the big left field. Many think his bounce back season had a lot to do with Fenway.

That leaves you with trades. Glaus? Miguel Cabrera? Anyone else? Is it time to consider finding a SS and asking Jeter to move to third at 33? When he was brought up from the minors in 1995-96 they said at the time they would eventually move him to third.

I never thought A-rod was leaving and i still don't think he will. I honestly can not back that up with anything other then a "gut feeling". Right now it's just how I feel. Plus I really don't think anything the Yankees said in 1995-1996 would still hold water today, so many things change in a decade. Jeter will decline defensively as he gets older, so the only logical move would be to move him out of short. But to me thats like saying, one day Posada's knees will not be able to hold up at the catching position for a full season so he might have to move to DH or first. My roomate and I were discussing scenarios of how the Yankees infield shoud look for the next 6-7 years and we both agreed that A-rod, Jeter and Cano should be a part of it. How is any of our guesses. One interesting thing we tossed around was Cano at 3B, A-Rod at short and Jeter at 2B. I'm not sure if that's logical, but it was interesting to think about.

[Bulldogcakes]

Forget it. No links, its bullshit.

[Bulldogcakes]

One interesting thing we tossed around was Cano at 3B, A-Rod at short and Jeter at 2B. I'm not sure if that's logical, but it was interesting to think about.

That's really interesting. It may be your best defensive infield, and it opens up the possibility that you could shop around for a 2B and simply shift Cano to 3B if A-Rod goes. Cano has a good arm, actually more than he needs at second. Cano played some SS in the minors, and the old saying is if you can play SS, you can play anywhere. Especially on the infield. He's also built like a 3B, a little thick in the legs. Thats really interesting. Not the kind of thing the Yanks do a lot, but opens up all sorts of possibilities.

Here's the free agents at 2B

Second basemen
Luis Castillo (32)
Damion Easley (38)
Marcus Giles (30) - $4MM club option for '08
Tadahito Iguchi (33)
Mark Loretta (37)
Kaz Matsui (32)
Jose Valentin (38)

Not much there either. But could open up other trade possibilities.

[Doctor Z]

Steve Somers prematurely reported that Torre was gonna be brought back earlier today, and then 10 minutes later retracted it. What a dope.

[Doctor Z]

I'm just surprised that Sterling didn't bust in with a sponsor.

"This post-game crying jag is brought to you by Yankee Hankees. Get your Yankee Hankees for all of your post-season crying needs. They are available at your local Walbaums or wherever tissues are sold."
GIVE that woman a tissue!

[JPMNICK]

Arod is leaving because he wants to be a SS again, and really doesn't like NYC (my opinion of course).

i think he goes to san Fransisco. i think he wanted a championship so he came to NYC, but then he realized all the other shit that goes along with it, and he returns to a smaller market

[spoon]

Arod is leaving because he wants to be a SS again, and really doesn't like NYC (my opinion of course).

i think he goes to san Fransisco. i think he wanted a championship so he came to NYC, but then he realized all the other shit that goes along with it, and he returns to a smaller market

He's too tied up in individual stats to head to San Fran (homeruns) at this point in his career. Yet, can anyone doubt his ultimate greed winning out here?! I say no. My guess is Angels, Boston, Cubs in that order if he does leave.

[JPMNICK]

He's too tied up in individual stats to head to San Fran (homeruns) at this point in his career. Yet, can anyone doubt his ultimate greed winning out here?! I say no. My guess is Angels, Boston, Cubs in that order if he does leave.

boston is to much pressure.

angels, Giants, Cubs

[spoon]

boston is to much pressure.

angels, Giants, Cubs

The one thing we CAN agree on, money is the ultimate prize for this guy even though he has plenty.

[JPMNICK]

The one thing we CAN agree on, money is the ultimate prize for this guy even though he has plenty.

oh yea, 100%. he would rather be known as the guy who gets paid the most than the guy who helped his team win a world series

and it seems like he wants to get paid the most by a small market media team

[Fallon]

The one thing we CAN agree on, money is the ultimate prize for this guy even though he has plenty.

Would you say it's the pnultimate prize?

[spoon]

I have to say though, GayRod surely looks right in San Fran.

[Kevin]

I have to say though, GayRod surely looks right in San Fran.

How fast would your posts aboot him change if the Jays all of a sudden went bat shit insane and signed him to a huge deal.. I mean.. He does have that manley muscular stripper whore up in Toronto!

[spoon]

How fast would your posts aboot him change if the Jays all of a sudden went bat shit insane and signed him to a huge deal.. I mean.. He does have that manley muscular stripper whore up in Toronto!

Nice try but nope. Sure I would hope for him to help them win, but I'll always hate him to the core just as my hate for Brad May and the likes of Bertuzzi continues. Even when May came to the Avs, I kept rooting for an injury and or trade. Thankfully, I got both!

[cougarjake13]

it would be funni if he wound up in san fran and gave the giants franchise a second run at the all time homer record

[Doctor Z]

The longer they let Torre twist in the wind, the more likely I think they are to end up bringing him back.

[JPMNICK]

Yanks leaning toward keeping torre

Arod wants 30 million over 12 years

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20607408/

[Snoogans]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

[JPMNICK]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

keep laughing when boston pays it

[Snoogans]

we cant, we already give lugo like 11, and we have wasted 30 mill on SS since not being smart and keeping cabrera. Plus you know the yankees are gonna do it and call it ok cause they keep the money from texas.

and the money i expected, but 12 fuckin years?

[JPMNICK]

we cant, we already give lugo like 11, and we have wasted 30 mill on SS since not being smart and keeping cabrera. Plus you know the yankees are gonna do it and call it ok cause they keep the money from texas.

and the money i expected, but 12 fuckin years?

12 years means he is 45 when this is over. who the fuck in their right mind would sign someone to a gaurenteed contract up until they are 45. this is a fucking pipe dream. if anything they might do 10 years max. i would not even do that. i would tack on 5 to the remaining contract meaning he has 8 more years as a Yankee.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Hey George , just Pay-Rod, your team needs him

as far as Torre, I bet the Yanks Keep him until their new stadium opens, then dump him


:king:

[Snoogans]

If I was the yankees I'd say 3 years 45 million or go fuck yourself loser

[JPMNICK]

If I was the yankees I'd say 3 years 45 million or go fuck yourself loser

in the end, he will have made 1/2 a BILLION dollars playing baseball. and as of now, not one championship

[Snoogans]

what's his career post season avg? Is it over 250?

[Bulldogcakes]

Yanks leaning toward keeping torre

Arod wants 30 million over 12 years

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20607408/

That rumor is the from the same playbook they used on Bernie last year. They offered him a spring training invite and a minor league deal knowing he wouldn't accept it. Thats their way of putting the onus on Joe. If he declines their offer, then Joe is the one walking away, no matter how crappy the offer is. Plus, they can defend the offer publicly saying it still makes him the highest paid manager in baseball, and the reduction in pay reflects his declining results.

Its just PR. That's their way of saying "We really don't want you back, Joe".

I don't like the Mattingly choice. I hope he turns it down, sensing he's not ready and not wanting to follow Torre. If you compare Girardi/Mattingly in terms of qualifications, Girardi is the clear choice.

[Bulldogcakes]

NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Yankees-Torre.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

''The only thing that's been decided, that we all agree on, is that (Joba) Chamberlain and (Phil) Hughes start out spring training as starters,'' Hank Steinbrenner said. ''Our pitching has got to be better next year, the starting rotation.''

Just in case anyone was wondering. It's a no brainer, whether you sign Mo or not.

[Snoogans]

They should keep Steinbrenner's brain alive like Krang on Ninja Turtles. Give him a mechanical body and let's see if we can spend 400 million. I don't like this let contracts expire shit they are doin now. Go back to wasting money and losing like this year. Re sign everyone and get andruw jones. No, seriously, he's good

[Bulldogcakes]

They should keep Steinbrenner's brain alive like Krang on Ninja Turtles. Give him a mechanical body and let's see if we can spend 400 million. I don't like this let contracts expire shit they are doin now. Go back to wasting money and losing like this year. Re sign everyone and get andruw jones. No, seriously, he's good

If you listen to Mike and the Dog it sounds like they want to do a "Weekend at Bernies" with Torre. He doesn't do anything to make them lose, and he gets credit for all the rings. Plus, managers don't make that much difference anyway, which is why you should keep Torre. :huh:

Just keep propping him up in the dugout 10 years after he's dead. Lets face it, if you've ever seen him on the bench who the fuck would notice the difference.

[lleeder]

If you listen to Mike and the Dog it sounds like they want to do a "Weekend at Bernies" with Torre. He doesn't do anything to make them lose, and he gets credit for all the rings. Plus, managers don't make that much difference anyway, which is why you should keep Torre. :huh:

Just keep propping him up in the dugout 10 years after he's dead. Lets face it, if you've ever seen him on the bench who the fuck would notice the difference.

Mad Dog barely bashed the Yankees for losing cause he's been so consumed with saving Torre's job.

[TheGameHHH]

If you listen to Mike and the Dog it sounds like they want to do a "Weekend at Bernies" with Torre. He doesn't do anything to make them lose, and he gets credit for all the rings. Plus, managers don't make that much difference anyway, which is why you should keep Torre. :huh:

Just keep propping him up in the dugout 10 years after he's dead. Lets face it, if you've ever seen him on the bench who the fuck would notice the difference.

I know what youre saying, and on a lot of levels (in between your sarcasm) what youre saying does make sense. One of the most important things I learned playing sports in my life, a lesson i cherish learning from my father, was to keep an even keel. I think Joe does that perfectly. You never see the man rattled, and that provides a lot of confidence to your players regardless if you can actually see it or not. Don't get me wrong, i do like managers and players with passion as well. But just because you are passionate and outspoken does not mean you're any better then people who aren't outspoken. Let's look at a guy like Lou in Chicago. He's about as fiery as a manager as you can get, but he was also bounced in the first round and i don't think his team played any harder for him then the Yanks play for Torre. I like a level-headed manager. All im saying is because Joe's demeanor doesn't change, that doesn't make his managerial skills worse (the management of his bullpen might be another story). But if the poor bullpen management is the worst thing you have to deal with in a manager, then I think you have it pretty good.

[Kevin]

I know what youre saying, and on a lot of levels (in between your sarcasm) what youre saying does make sense. One of the most important things I learned playing sports in my life, a lesson i cherish learning from my father, was to keep an even keel. I think Joe does that perfectly. You never see the man rattled, and that provides a lot of confidence to your players regardless if you can actually see it or not. Don't get me wrong, i do like managers and players with passion as well. But just because you are passionate and outspoken does not mean you're any better then people who aren't outspoken. Let's look at a guy like Lou in Chicago. He's about as fiery as a manager as you can get, but he was also bounced in the first round and i don't think his team played any harder for him then the Yanks play for Torre. I like a level-headed manager. All im saying is because Joe's demeanor doesn't change, that doesn't make his managerial skills worse (the management of his bullpen might be another story). But if the poor bullpen management is the worst thing you have to deal with in a manager, then I think you have it pretty good.

Err.. Last time i checked.. The bullpen is now prob the biggest part of the game.. With SP being pamperd... When an org has to make rules to protect a player from a manager (Joba Rules) Its over Johnny.

[TheGameHHH]

Err.. Last time i checked.. The bullpen is now prob the biggest part of the game.. With SP being pamperd... When an org has to make rules to protect a player from a manager (Joba Rules) Its over Johnny.

I don't consider it the biggest part of the game at all. Last season, yes.....i have to agree with you for the most part that the link to the pen was an issue. But when Paul Byrd is working your line-up with his nasty 88 mph fastball, then maybe the bullpen isn't the biggest problem. If Joe stays then there's a better chance Mo stays. Then next season what you need to do is find better arms that can link the ball from your starter to Mo. And let's be honest here, outside of Pettitte, we didn't have the greatest group of starters this year.

[Dan 'Hampton]

With Girardi learning what he knows about managing from Torre it doesn't seem to help the situation if you really want a clean break from Joe.
If Cashman can't sit down with Joe and put down the Yankees plan about how they are to use young pitchers, or can't get a pitching coach in there with enough balls to tell Joe "NO you can't put Scott Proctor out there again tonight", then maybe Cashman is as much of the problem as Joe is.
Replacing Joe without making a clean break from him and Cashman doesn't seem like much more than a publicity stunt to keep you all happy.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Yankees Suck, just wanted to remind you Ass Faggots in Here

:king:

[sailor]

are we getting santana this year or next? i can never remember.

[Bulldogcakes]

Story (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

Hunter Would Take 5/75 From Twins

Out on the open market, center fielder Torii Hunter might fish for more than a five-year, $75MM contract. He could probably get six years, or $16-17MM annually. However, 5/75 would be sufficient from the Twins, as Hunter hopes to remain in Minnesota.

The Minneapolis Star Tribune's Sid Hartman (linked above) says re-signing Hunter at that price and trading Johan Santana would probably leave the Twins with the payroll flexibility to acquire a third baseman and a DH. Hunter's departure could seemingly impact ticket sales in Minnesota more than Santana's.

Santana is on the hook for $13.25MM in 2008. Swapping him for two 0-3 players while backloading Hunter's deal and letting Carlos Silva walk could free up $15MM net this winter. That could mean Barry Bonds and Mike Lamb, Cliff Floyd and Mike Lowell, or a million other combinations.

As the article states, signing Hunter has Santana ramifications. The Yanks have already called about Johan. Something to keep an eye on. If he signs, expect Johan to be dealt.

[TheGameHHH]

Story (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)



As the article states, signing Hunter has Santana ramifications. The Yanks have already called about Johan. Something to keep an eye on. If he signs, expect Johan to be dealt.

you gotta figure it comming at some sort of steep price, and by steep i mean our kids. so who do u figure is in the package?

[Kevin]

Yankees Suck, just wanted to remind you Ass Faggots in Here

:king:


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2521/messcn8.jpg

[Kevin]

you gotta figure it comming at some sort of steep price, and by steep i mean our kids. so who do u figure is in the package?

They prob start with either of the big 3...

[HBox]

They prob start with either of the big 3...

Probably two of them.

[TheGameHHH]

sending those guys to the twins does not make sense to me. id rather let those kids develop.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let's say for Santana, they ask for the following package:

- Kennedy
- Melky
- Mussina


Do you do that deal?

[HBox]

Let's say for Santana, they ask for the following package:

- Kennedy
- Melky
- Mussina


Do you do that deal?

I'd carry each and every one of them on my back at once and walk them all the way to Minnesota.

[Snoogans]

Tenbats, please tell me that was a fuckin joke

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tenbats, please tell me that was a fuckin joke

OK, what's your issue.

[Snoogans]

If I was a GM, I wouldn't give you AIDS for Mussina

[Snoogans]

also you are aware they would trade him cause they dont wanna pay that money. They arent picking up mussina's salary, and isnt he a FA anyway? He isnt gonna sign to get sent somewhere. Thats stupid, he can sign there

[Tenbatsuzen]

also you are aware they would trade him cause they dont wanna pay that money. They arent picking up mussina's salary, and isnt he a FA anyway? He isnt gonna sign to get sent somewhere. Thats stupid, he can sign there

I was under the belief Mussina was signed for at least one, maybe 2 years. And the Yankees would gladly pick up the rest of Mussina's salary if it meant opening a spot for Joba in the rotation.

[Bulldogcakes]

you gotta figure it comming at some sort of steep price, and by steep i mean our kids. so who do u figure is in the package?

Gammons reported that the Twins asked for Cano OR Wang plus a top prospect and maybe another mid level one. If thats their opening offer, I have a good feeling about something getting done, and it won't involve either of those two. I figure Ian Kennedy, CF Austin Jackson/Brett Gardner and a good relief prospect like Ohlendorf. Remember you're only getting Santana for one year of service, even if he is one of the the best pitchers in baseball. That makes his price lower than if he was further away from free agency. The Twins will have those players for 6 years each, minimum and both pitchers are MLB ready.

EDIT-If they re sign Hunter, they may need a 3B instead of an OF. Yanks really don't have any infielders, unless they like Alberto Gonzalez's glove.

[Snoogans]

if he is that means 12 million i think. No way Minnie is taking that. Kennedy, Melky and prob hughes or joba is what it will take. Esp since teams who need a pitcher more will be willing to give up that many young guys. Especially asshats like the Mets. They would prob give Minn the whole Norfolk organization

[Snoogans]

plus, Mussina sucks. Like completely sucks. Useless

[Kevin]

Gammons reported that the Twins asked for Cano OR Wang plus a top prospect and maybe another mid level one. If thats their opening offer, I have a good feeling about something getting done, and it won't involve either of those two. I figure Ian Kennedy, CF Austin Jackson/Brett Gardner and a good relief prospect like Ohlendorf. Remember you're only getting Santana for one year of service, even if he is one of the the best pitchers in baseball. That makes his price lower than if it was sooner. The Twins will have those players for 6 years each, minimum and both pitchers are MLB ready.

EDIT-If they re sign Hunter, they may need a 3B instead of an OF. Yanks really don't have any infielders, unless they like Alberto Gonzalez's glove.

Id ship wang there in a nano sec if it ment we dont have to give either of the 3.. Cano.. No..

[Tenbatsuzen]

if he is that means 12 million i think. No way Minnie is taking that. Kennedy, Melky and prob hughes or joba is what it will take. Esp since teams who need a pitcher more will be willing to give up that many young guys. Especially asshats like the Mets. They would prob give Minn the whole Norfolk organization

Stop. There is no way Cash would part way with that for a pitcher who is damaged goods. Been there, done that with Unit.

I could see Cash parting with one of the "Three Amigos", most likely Kennedy, but no way in hell he gets rid of all three for one pitcher who's had elbow problems.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Id ship wang there in a nano sec if it ment we dont have to give either of the 3.. Cano.. No..

You mis-read BDC's post. They'd want Chien-Ming, one of the three, and a mid-level prospect.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I would do the deal for CMW and Cano. Pitcher and a proven 2B for a pitcher. That's fair.

[Snoogans]

you arent gettin him for wang and cano, that isnt fair, esp after what wang just did

[Bulldogcakes]

You mis-read BDC's post. They'd want Chien-Ming, one of the three, and a mid-level prospect.

Maybe, I'm not totally sure myself. The Yanks might consider the big 3 to be major leaguers already, so they might have been referring to prospects on the farm.

The source was a Yankee employee, so its coming from their perspective.

[Snoogans]

see you seem to have it in your head that you are the only team bidding for him. Also, wang and cano dont make alot, but they make more then prospects, and this is about money.

You will most likely have to give them 2 young guys, maybe wang or cano and 1 of the 3, if you get lucky. Think about how many teams are gonna be willing do give up all young, cheap prospects. Just cause yours are in new york doesnt make them as valuable as you think over other prospects

[Tenbatsuzen]

you arent gettin him for wang and cano, that isnt fair, esp after what wang just did

Santana has elbow problems. For all we know he could be two heartbeats away from Dr. Andrews and Tommy John.

[Bulldogcakes]

I would do the deal for CMW and Cano. Pitcher and a proven 2B for a pitcher. That's fair.

Thats more than they asked for. They said Wang OR Cano, and it was their opening offer.

[Snoogans]

Santana has elbow problems. For all we know he could be two heartbeats away from Dr. Andrews and Tommy John.

eddy curry's heart is ready to explode and the knicks gave him 10 mill a year. Thats why contracts get insured. Point is, another team will be willing to give up more, and better, then this group of 1 good guy and garbage.

You sound like you should call the FAN tomorrow and propose trades

[Tenbatsuzen]

you arent gettin him for wang and cano, that isnt fair, esp after what wang just did

What did Wang do? Had a shitty 100-pitch outing and then pitched on three days rest which is a UNIVERSALLY BAD IDEA.

By that logic, do you want to trade Jeter for some magic beans?

CMW has 2 seasons in MLB and he's got almost 50 wins. That's not shabby at all.

[Snoogans]

Thats more than they asked for. They said Wang OR Cano, and it was their opening offer.

they said wang or cano, one of your big 3, and another prospect. What the fuck are you guys blind. Put it this way. You want Santana, you wont have Joba AND Hughes. Bet on it

[Snoogans]

What did Wang do? Had a shitty 100-pitch outing and then pitched on three days rest which is a UNIVERSALLY BAD IDEA.

By that logic, do you want to trade Jeter for some magic beans?

CMW has 2 seasons in MLB and he's got almost 50 wins. That's not shabby at all.

since when. It didnt seem to bother guys who pitch EVERY OTHER DAY way back when. And threw more pitches.

And that is a problem. Teams who are gonna be playoff teams WANT A GUY WHO CAN GO ON 3 DAYS. Most big game pitchers can and do, alot. Wang is not this superstar pitcher that you seem to think is super valuable.

Beltran gets 17 mill for what he did in October. It means a hell of alot more then you think.

[Bulldogcakes]

see you seem to have it in your head that you are the only team bidding for him. Also, wang and cano dont make alot, but they make more then prospects, and this is about money.

You will most likely have to give them 2 young guys, maybe wang or cano and 1 of the 3, if you get lucky. Think about how many teams are gonna be willing do give up all young, cheap prospects. Just cause yours are in new york doesnt make them as valuable as you think over other prospects

You're right, but given the fact he's going to be a free agent who's likely to become the highest paid pitcher in all of baseball, that narrows down the teams who are willing/able to bid on him. There's no point in giving up lots of talent unless you plan to sign him, and thats likely to be 6-7 years at 22-25 each. That narrows down the field.

But I don't doubt there will be other bidders. Mets will be one of them.

[Doctor Z]

Okay, enough about trading Wang. NOT gonna happen. I understand you guys all wouldn't mind him gone because he was abysmal in the post-season. Pretty quick to forget that he's pitched back-to-back 19 win seasons. And if Pettitte doesn't come back, he's hands down our best starting pitcher. If you think Cashman is gonna throw away a young homegrown pitcher for ONE year of Santana, you're insane.

[Snoogans]

You're right, but given the fact he's going to be a free agent who's likely to become the highest paid pitcher in all of baseball, that narrows down the teams who are willing/able to bid on him. There's no point in giving up lots of talent unless you plan to sign him, and thats likely to be 6-7 years at 22-25 each. That narrows down the field.

But I don't doubt there will be other bidders.

you are right. But this is the major leagues. They dont use sense. 1 guy is about to make more then 2 teams, and already makes more then 1. Some team desperate to make a 1 year run and fill seats will indeed do it

[Snoogans]

also, you guys have to pay a trade tax cause you are the yankees. Teams dont wanna help you win, and you will pay for that

[Tenbatsuzen]

eddy curry's heart is ready to explode and the knicks gave him 10 mill a year. Thats why contracts get insured. Point is, another team will be willing to give up more, and better, then this group of 1 good guy and garbage.

You sound like you should call the FAN tomorrow and propose trades

Did you just compare the Knicks front office to the Yankees' and you're calling ME an idiot?

Baahahahahahahahahahah.

It's not about insuring the contract, it's about getting return on investment. CMW and Cano for Santana is not a shitty deal at all.

[Snoogans]

Did you just compare the Knicks front office to the Yankees' and you're calling ME an idiot?

Baahahahahahahahahahah.

It's not about insuring the contract, it's about getting return on investment. CMW and Cano for Santana is not a shitty deal at all.

yea, cause the yankees never sign awful contracts. Are you kidding me? The only reason it doesnt fuck you like the knicks is cause you dont have a cap. But the front offices do waste money quite the same.

[Snoogans]

The knicks would win the champ every year if they didnt have a cap. Cause they would have a 300 mill payroll. They are the same

[Doctor Z]

Snoogs, you're such a closet Yankee fan...

Posting in the Yankees off-season thread when any decent Red Sox fan would be glued to their television set.

[Snoogans]

im watching it. The TV is right over the corner of my monitor, so i see both.

And I didnt plan this but tenbatz is insane

[Bulldogcakes]

they said wang or cano, one of your big 3, and another prospect. What the fuck are you guys blind. Put it this way. You want Santana, you wont have Joba AND Hughes. Bet on it

Here's the info (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

Gammons: Yanks Inquired On Santana

Peter Gammons reported back on Tuesday that the Yankees have already made a Johan Santana inquiry. The tidbit mentioned a cellphone conversation where apparently a Yankee exec asked who the team would need to part with aside from Chien-Ming Wang to acquire the Twins' ace.

Makes sense that the Yanks would place a call on this; Santana's the best pitcher in baseball and they're the Yankees. And the general vibe seems to be that the Twins are at least listening on Santana. Wang or Cano plus another premium prospect seems a reasonable bounty. The acquiring team may require a negotiating window. And technically, Santana could have the Yankees on his 12-team no trade list.

If you're an ESPN insider, you can get the whole article. Maybe Kev can post it for us.

[Snoogans]

if minn gave you santana and didnt get any of the 3 its worse then the vince carter trade

[sailor]

and what did they want from the mets for him?

[Kevin]

and what did they want from the mets for him?

If they do not give Reyes.. They have NO shot.. Their farm because of farm killing I love Spanishes Omar.. Is basically empty.. As far as pitching.. They have some nice young OF's but no where near the pitching Minni would want.. Remember he was the one that dealt for colon in Mont.. when he had NO shot at signing him.. Gave up a package of Sizemore Brandon Phillips (who is pretty decent for the Reds but was a huge prospect at the time) And a few others. And this year he deals Bannister for Burgos... Banister had a 3.87 era in the AL. With so many other teams after him they have no shot.



And here is the Gammons artical.


Yanks' issues go beyond Torre

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They are the Yankees, so two hours after their season turned to winter, there was a cellphone conversation about what could be packaged with Chien-Ming Wang to get Johan Santana, not Carlos Silva or any of the other mongrel free agents. They inquired about Santana, because they are the Yankees.

But they're also different from the Bronx Zoo or 1998 Yankees. There is no clear chain of command, as the man who bought the franchise for half of what he now pays Jason Giambi has struggled with his health and his sons are feeling their way into power. They have been eliminated in the first round three straight years, haven't played a World Series game since being dominated by Josh Beckett in 2003, haven't won the World Series since the Clinton Administration.

After 12 years of respect, competence and dignity, Joe Torre is almost certainly out as manager, with no replacement set in stone. People in the organization know Don Mattingly is the only successor the players will buy, but it may be that the fragmented powers that be don't care what the players think because the players think Torre should be rehired.

They'd love a proven entity, but Tony La Russa has little interest in dealing with the chain of hurricanes that surround this franchise, and Jim Leyland, Bobby Cox and Mike Scioscia aren't available. La Russa is very careful and sensitive to the media, and going from a couple of beat writers to a media culture which plays sides and in some cases believe they, the writers, are the story, is not something he wants after all he's done in his professional life. There may be drums beating for Lou Piniella, and the Cubs might not mind allowing him to go to New York.

They will chew on Mattingly and Joe Girardi (someone will mention Trey Hillman and certainly Buck Showalter), but the centrifugal force that Torre provided will be gone, and the floor opens to one question after another. The Boss's successor may be Hank Steinbrenner, but he has to sort through the voices that want his ear. Or it could be Hal Steinbrenner. Will Brian Cashman remain in power, or can Randy Levine grab the power chair? If Cashman isn't in full command, it could take months to figure out where the buck stops.

And Alex Rodriguez. Those who believe the sun sets and rises on baseball's best player can rant about his .267 Division Series and point to the fact that he went from Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS until the eighth inning Monday without a postseason RBI, but if he opts out of his contract and Scott Boras gets him $30 something million a year elsewhere (plus a third of all Venezuelan oil reserves), they must fill in a canyon, as well as replace his entertainment value to YES and those $2,500-a-game seats in the new stadium.

Players warn that Torre's departure will make it more expensive and difficult to keep free agents Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera. The former makes no pretense about his loyalty to Torre and, since the team waited on his extension, he is willing to listen to other teams. Can you say Mets? Don't even waste your time thinking about it. But the larger question is whether Posada or Rivera leave, will it open the door to the 1980s, when players didn't want to go to New York to play for the Yankees.

Rivera will have no qualms about taking the Yankees to the wall, or leaving. Bobby Abreu would leave without the ties of Posada and Rivera.

The good news is that they have developed a new, fresh core. Robinson Cano is close to the plate discipline that could make him a .340/35 home run, three-hole hitter. Melky Cabrera is a wonderful, energetic force. Joba Chamberlain is real, Phil Hughes showed in Game 3 the ridiculous stuff he showed in the minors ("He was relaxed because this was the first time he didn't think he had to be great," says Mattingly) and Ian Kennedy can pitch.

And if Jeter hadn't hobbled around like Walter Brennan with his bad knee and Wang had been good instead of terrible, the Yankees might have won the series. But in the Yankees' world, sadly, anything short of winning the World Series is failure, with no respect for the fact that seven different teams have won the World Series in this century and that revenue-sharing has made getting to the World Series really difficult. Yankeeland may not be alone, but in the self-absorbed promotion of Red Sox Nation, this season in which Boston led the majors in wins while developing more than a half-dozen players in their first full major league seasons, the success or failure of the 2007 season may be determined on whether or not the Sawx win the World Series. If C.C. Sabathia and Fausto Carmona win three of their four starts, which is a distinct possibility, New Englanders may be convinced by a misanthropic shock jock world that the season was a waste and that someone has to pay for that failure by losing his job.

The saddest part of the Indians-Yankees series is that the story became Torre and Steinbrenner and A-Rod, not a Cleveland team that won more games than the Yankees during the season. With a payroll half the size of the Red Sox's, the Indians matched Boston in wins. They moved two kids named Asdrubal Cabrera and Franklin Gutierrez into key positions in mid-August (after which they had the best record in the league), and they took Carmona out of Buffalo and watched him develop into one of the three or four best pitchers in the league. It's a shame that the swarm of bugs became the story of Game 2, the reason Chamberlain lost. When Carmona got to the Indians' bench after pitching during The Plague, they scraped more than 50 bugs off his neck and face, but Carmona didn't get distracted.

The Indians' lineup is deep, they play defense, they have two great starters, two very good relievers (Rafael Perez and Betancourt), and they grind out at-bats and make it hard for starting pitchers to get into the seventh inning. They deserved to beat the Yankees, and it's possible that they will deserve to beat the Red Sox. They aren't a tabloid team in an era when celebrity news is so legitimized that Paris Hilton gets 100 hits on Google for every one for Nancy Pelosi.

It's one thing to dream about Johan Santana or Roy Oswalt. They are the Yankees, and in two years they'll be getting $810,000 for four season tickets behind home plate. It's another thing to drive the firing of Joe Torre because not winning the World Series is a failure, and because the story sells.

[Doctor Z]

I know he bombed in the post-season, but losing Wang+ for Santana would be a horrendous decision. You're trading 20 wins for 20 wins, and losing youth in the process. I'd rather let the Mets take him.

[Bulldogcakes]

And Alex Rodriguez. Those who believe the sun sets and rises on baseball's best player can rant about his .267 Division Series and point to the fact that he went from Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS until the eighth inning Monday without a postseason RBI, but if he opts out of his contract and Scott Boras gets him $30 something million a year elsewhere (plus a third of all Venezuelan oil reserves), they must fill in a canyon, as well as replace his entertainment value to YES and those $2,500-a-game seats in the new stadium.


Thats interesting. Boras can talk about A-Rod all he wants, if the Yanks get Santana then they can sell that to the fans. Pitching wins playoffs, hitting doesn't and A-Rod choked in the playoffs anyway. Business wise, they don't need to spend 30 mil on A-Rod if they get Santana. They have traded the best hitter in baseball for the best pitcher.

On the field, they can replace him with Glaus, Lowell or maybe even Miguel Cabrera and will be a better overall team as a result.

[Kevin]

Thats interesting. Boras can talk about A-Rod all he wants, if the Yanks get Santana then they can sell that to the fans. Pitching wins playoffs, hitting doesn't and A-Rod choked in the playoffs anyway. Business wise, they don't need to spend 30 mil on A-Rod if they get Santana. They have traded the best hitter in baseball for the best pitcher.

On the field, they can replace him with Glaus, Lowell or maybe even Miguel Cabrera and will be a better overall team as a result.

Err nnnnnno... If you get both Cabrera AND Santana.. That Means Joba Hughes Kennedy and the rest of your farm is gone.. So no way would the team be better.

[HBox]

I know he bombed in the post-season, but losing Wang+ for Santana would be a horrendous decision. You're trading 20 wins for 20 wins, and losing youth in the process. I'd rather let the Mets take him.

Wang is not an ace. He can't anchor a rotation, you can't count on him in game 1 of a playoff series. You can count on Santana and that makes all the difference in the world.

Not to mention that Santana can pick up 20 wins a year with the Twins lineup while Wang has the luxury of the Yankee lineup.

[Bulldogcakes]

and what did they want from the mets for him?

The Mets have 3 good OF prospects Milledge, Gomez and Martinez. I'm sure they would want one of them, plus one of their 2 pitching prospects Pelfry or Humber. To be honest, I think the Yanks offer I suggested is better. Kennedy has excelled in his MLB experience and Pelfry has struggled.

Plus as I stated with the Yanks I'm not sure thats a fit anymore if the Twins sign Hunter. Then they'll be looking for a 3B. The Met offer would have the OF as the centerpiece, The Yank offer would have Kennedy as the centerpiece. Also, Kennedy was named MILB's Pitcher of the year.

[JPMNICK]

I know he bombed in the post-season, but losing Wang+ for Santana would be a horrendous decision. You're trading 20 wins for 20 wins, and losing youth in the process. I'd rather let the Mets take him.

Wang is not an ace. He can't anchor a rotation, you can't count on him in game 1 of a playoff series. You can count on Santana and that makes all the difference in the world.

Not to mention that Santana can pick up 20 wins a year with the Twins lineup while Wang has the luxury of the Yankee lineup.

this is exactly what I was going to say. Santana is an A level pitcher and Wang in a higher B level. anyone would trade Wang for Santana

[Snoogans]

i already said it like 5 times in the thread.

[Kevin]

i already said it like 5 times in the thread.

You ♥ Eric Gagne??

[sailor]

Wang is not an ace. He can't anchor a rotation, you can't count on him in game 1 of a playoff series.

sabathia who pitched well in game one vs the yankees had a very similar line against boston in their first game. one game don't mean shit. i don't know what wang did last year.

The Mets have 3 good OF prospects Milledge, Gomez and Martinez. I'm sure they would want one of them, plus one of their 2 pitching prospects Pelfry or Humber. To be honest, I think the Yanks offer I suggested is better. Kennedy has excelled in his MLB experience and Pelfry has struggled.

the reason i'd asked was all i'd heard they wanted from the mets was reyes. sounded like they were asking a lot more from the yankees.

[Bulldogcakes]

Err nnnnnno... If you get both Cabrera AND Santana.. That Means Joba Hughes Kennedy and the rest of your farm is gone.. So no way would the team be better.

Don't be so sure. The Yankee farm system is one of the deepest in baseball (Ranked 4th by B.A.) and they now have some position players who are getting close, which they didn't have last year. You could do what they did with the Randy Johnson deal and tell the Marlins "Hughes and Joba are untouchable. Take any 3 you want minus Tabata and Betances" and there's plenty there to make a deal with.

Here's a breakdown of who's who (http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/2007/09/18/the-state-of-the-farm/).

[Bulldogcakes]

this is exactly what I was going to say. Santana is an A level pitcher and Wang in a higher B level. anyone would trade Wang for Santana

Wang doesn't really make sense for the Twins anyway. I think that was just an opening offer. The Twins want MLB ready prospects or rookies. Ones that they can control for 6 years. Wang and Cano already have 3 years of service and will begin to become arbitration eligible. That means they'll get HUGE pay increases over the next few years, thats the last thing the Twins want to deal with.

Same goes for the Marlins with Cabrera. The only players on the ML roster they will ask for is the big 3 pitchers Hughes, Chambelain or Kennedy. To be honest, one of them doesn't have a slot for next year because of Mussina's presence. So one of them is expendable, despite the fact that the Yanks will be better off with Kennedy in the rotation.

Here's a list of top prospects (http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/16/post-draft-signing-period-top-30-prospects/#more-950)

1. Jose Tabata, 19, RF, A+ - flashing everything but consistent power, although nagging injuries have become a bit of a concern
2. Ian Patrick Kennedy, 22, RHP, A+/AA/AAA - he’s been everything the Yanks could have hoped for, and more
3. Dellin Betances, 19, RHP, SS - went down with a minor elbow injury, but still has one of the highest ceilings in all of baseball
4. Andrew Brackman, 21, RHP, N/A - even if he ends up having Tommy John surgery, the risk is substantially outweighed by the potential reward
5. Carmen Angelini, 18, SS, N/A - 5 tooler is the best middle infield prospect the Yanks have had since Jeter, Robbie Cano included
6. Alan Horne, 24, RHP, AA - struggling of late, just as he begins to eclipse his career high IP total
7. Kevin Whelan, 23, RHP, A+/AA - once he got his mechanics straight, he became the beast we all expected him to be
8. Juan Miranda, 24, 1B/DH, A+/AA - M.O.N.S.T.E.R. = Miranda Offers Non-Stop Terror to Every Righthander (lefties…not so much)
9. Ross Ohlendorf, 24, RHP, Rk/AAA - 97 mph sinker out of the ‘pen, are you kiddin’ me???
10. Austin Jackson, 20, CF, A-/A+ - deepest toolshed in the organization, and he’s starting to figure out how to use ‘em
11. Zach McAllister, 19, RHP, SS - Phil Hughes lite gets completely overlooked thanks to all the other arms in the system
12. Jesus Montero, 17, C, Rk - may not stay behind the plate, but the bat will play anywhere
13. Brad Suttle, 21, 3B, N/A - sucked with wood bats on the Cape in ‘06, but he was one of the best pure hitters in the draft
14. Brett Gardner, 23, CF, AA/AAA - on-base terror, but sheesh, I have more power hitting with a rolled up newspaper
15. Ryan Pope, 22, RHP, SS - not flashy, but his rock solid stuff and easy delivery should help him become an innings eating stalwart
16. Dan McCutchen, 24, RHP, A+/AAA - yes he’s a little old for his league, but they don’t check ID’s on the pitcher’s mound
17. Jeff Marquez, 23, RHP, AA - still has a world of potential, but it’s been 3 years already, when will he start to piece it all together?
18. George Kontos, 22, RHP, A+ - the Greed God of Pitchers continues along the path of <9.00 Hper9 & >9.00 Kper9
19. Mike Dunn, 22, LHP, A- - converted infielder has made the transition to the mound look easy, only fools consider him a sleeper
20. Austin Romine, 18, C, N/A - son of a former big leaguer, he’s gonna be sneaky good very soon
21. Marcos Vechionacci, 21, 3B, A+ - hard to dim the light on the kid, but he’s spent the last 3 yrs in A-ball and is topping out at .263-.326-.363 this year
22. Tyler Clippard, 21, RHP, AA/AAA/MLB - sure he got beat around in the bigs, but what’s his excuse for how he performed the rest of the year?
23. Edwar Ramirez, 26, RHP, AA/AAA/MLB - biggest step forward in all of baseball, no one saw this coming
24. David Robertson, 22, RHP, A-/A+ - does it more with guts and guile than stuff, but I have a feeling he’d find a way to succeed in the bigs right now
25. Frankie Cervelli, 21, C, A+ - he’s not as good as his season opening hot streak, but he’s legit
26. TJ Beam, 26, RHP, Rk/AAA - the forgotten man among the bullpen revolving door just keeps on plugging along
27. Mitch Hilligoss, 22, 3B/SS, A- -nothing special in most phases of the game, but he racks up hits like no one else in the system. Goodness, does he rack up hits.
28. Jairo Heredia, 17, RHP, Rk - the next big thing already flashes low-90s with a nasty changeup
29. Alberto Gonzalez, 24, SS, AA/AAA - awesome at everything…but hitting
30. Steven White, 26, RHP, A+/AAA - hey look at me, I’m a pretty decent pitcher worthy of a shot at long relieving/spot starting

2 noticeable omissions are Sanchez and JB Cox. Both had TJ surgery and figure to be ready late (August) next year. If you include them, they go into the top 10. Tabata's a few years off, as is Betances. But both could be HUGE players if they develop. Horne, Edwar and Ohlendorf will get a good long look in spring training for next year's bullpen plans if they are still with the team.

I'd take Kennedy off the list as well, he'll be in the rotation or traded by next year.

[Doctor Z]

Who's to say Santana comes to NY and handles the pressure? Who's to say he plays well here? Haven't we learned?

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/brown_kevin1006.jpg

http://gothamist.com/images/2005_01_sunit.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/john_rolfe/03/06/injury.prone/tx.pavano.jpg

You lose Wang (plus someone else), and Santana pulls a Brown/Johnson/Pavano, you have another disaster on your hands, and you lose a VERY solid #2 starter who's already proven he can win 20 games a year in NY. Aside from his post-season this year, Wang has a nearly flawless track record. I want him on the Yankees for a long long time.

[Doctor Z]

Oh, I almost forgot...

http://hitlesswanderings.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/jeff_weaver_biting_glove.jpg

[JPMNICK]

Oh, I almost forgot...

http://hitlesswanderings.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/jeff_weaver_biting_glove.jpg

this is my new desktop background

[Bulldogcakes]

Who's to say Santana comes to NY and handles the pressure? Who's to say he plays well here? Haven't we learned?

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/brown_kevin1006.jpg

http://gothamist.com/images/2005_01_sunit.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/john_rolfe/03/06/injury.prone/tx.pavano.jpg

You lose Wang (plus someone else), and Santana pulls a Brown/Johnson/Pavano, you have another disaster on your hands, and you lose a VERY solid #2 starter who's already proven he can win 20 games a year in NY. Aside from his post-season this year, Wang has a nearly flawless track record. I want him on the Yankees for a long long time.

Santana's 28 and the best pitcher in baseball. Don't compare him to Pavano, Weaver, 38 year old Brown with a bad back or a 42 year old Johnson with a worse back.

He is typically a slow starter, though. So even if he struggled early I wouldn't call the trade a bust, if it ever happens.

[Kevin]

Who's to say Santana comes to NY and handles the pressure? Who's to say he plays well here? Haven't we learned?

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/brown_kevin1006.jpg

http://gothamist.com/images/2005_01_sunit.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/john_rolfe/03/06/injury.prone/tx.pavano.jpg



Oh, I almost forgot...

http://hitlesswanderings.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/jeff_weaver_biting_glove.jpg

This is fucked up but i had to do it..

Another pitcher that crashed and burned in NY




































http://markitdown.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/cory_lidle.jpg Too soon??

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.nomaas.org/images/torre_stayingalive.jpg

"They haven't fired me yet!"

[TheMojoPin]

I know he bombed in the post-season, but losing Wang+ for Santana would be a horrendous decision. You're trading 20 wins for 20 wins, and losing youth in the process. I'd rather let the Mets take him.

Except basing this comparison on wins is one of the worst possible ways to compre pitches. A pitchers wins is one of the most skewed stats for a pitcher in how it relies much more on their team as opposed to the pitcher themselves. Simply put, basing a pitcher's talent on "his" wins is prehistoric baseball analysis.

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.nomaas.org/images/arodbugs.jpg

http://www.nomaas.org/images/clemensaarp.jpg

http://www.nomaas.org/images/priceiswrong.jpg
Thats Dice-K

http://www.nomaas.org/images/retire.jpg

http://www.nomaas.org/images/ortizcar.jpg
Ortiz selling his car on Ebay





I just love Nomaas.

[Fallon]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c149/ctt447/Erica_Mari_Yankees_Suck.jpg

[HBox]

George to cede control to his sons. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3063506)

While Torre's future remains in doubt, it appears young pitcher Joba Chamberlain (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=8084) will be joining the Yankees starting rotation come spring training."That's something I'll insist on," said Hank Steinbrenner.

I like this Hank Steinbrenner.

[Snoogans]

yea, me too. Kyle Farnsworth, set up man. Sounds nice

[JPMNICK]

yea, me too. Kyle Farnsworth, set up man. Sounds nice

don't forget Brian Bruney is going to be there too

[Snoogans]

don't forget Brian Bruney is going to be there too

STOP FUCKIN UP MY DREAMS




Kyle Farnsworth, set up man

[Tenbatsuzen]

yea, me too. Kyle Farnsworth, set up man. Sounds nice

I'll remember this if Gagne blows up.

[Snoogans]

I'll remember this if Gagne blows up.

yea but we are already farther then you this year. And if we seriously keep gagne as a set up man next season, i quit watching baseball until he is gone

[Tenbatsuzen]

yea but we are already farther then you this year. And if we seriously keep gagne as a set up man next season, i quit watching baseball until he is gone

Yeah? And? Nobody remembers who loses the ALCS, or wins it for that fucking matter.

[Snoogans]

So what, my point was about next season. Stop being a dick just cause you are bitter

[Kevin]

Yeah? And? Nobody remembers who loses the ALCS, or wins it for that fucking matter.

People remember who lost the 04.. ALCS... just sayin..

[Doctor Z]

This is fucked up but i had to do it..

Another pitcher that crashed and burned in NY


http://markitdown.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/cory_lidle.jpg Too soon??

Doesn't fit the criteria of my argument though. Corey Lidle was brought in as a small piece of a package deal for Abreu. No one ever expected him to be any more than a 4th or 5th starter.

The other 4, especially Brown and Johnson, were expected to be aces. Brown had so much promise that he got signed to the biggest contract in baseball when we got him. Just another mammoth bust.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So what, my point was about next season. Stop being a dick just cause you are bitter

Not being bitter, just been sensing that you've been being an ass for the sake of being an as- oh wait, it's Snoogans. Duh.

[Snoogans]

How am I being an ass. I'm posting the same shit I posted the entire time in this thread. Commenting on the Yankees off season. You are being an ass because you can't handle me talking about your team for some reason.

[Snoogans]

and Z, i think Kevin was just tryin to call Lidle a waste of money

[Snoogans]

or because he "crashed and burned"

[Fallon]

and Z, i think Kevin was just tryin to call Lidle a waste of money

Exactly. Kevin was making a point on how Steinbrenner's spending really handcuffs the team chemistry year after year and Lidle was just one small part of that. I'm on board with his opinion.

[Kevin]

Exactly. Kevin was making a point on how Steinbrenner's spending really handcuffs the team chemistry year after year and Lidle was just one small part of that. I'm on board with his opinion.

Exactly!





wait...

[Bossanova]

I thought Cashman said the deal would not have happened if Lidle wasn't a part of it. Chalk it up to Kevin

[cougarjake13]

I thought Cashman said the deal would not have happened if Lidle wasn't a part of it. Chalk it up to Kevin

if the phils still had lidle they mighta beat the rockies

[Tenbatsuzen]

Saw this on Perez Hilton. It's Arnold and HBox's favorite person!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9247/fp938175schwarzeneggerazp9.jpg

[Doctor Z]

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[Freitag]

Hey, it took me 15 minutes to read this thread. You know what else you can do in 15 minutes? Call GEICO and save money on car insurance.

[Doctor Z]

Hey, it took me 15 minutes to read this thread. You know what else you can do in 15 minutes? Call GEICO and save money on car insurance.

Was that the 15th out of the game?

[Freitag]

Was that the 15th out of the game?


Hey, it's time for the Time Warner Triple Play contest. If someone triple-replies on this page of the thread, H. Boxton from New Jersey will win 10,000 and a year's service of Time Warner's Triple Play Service, which includes cable, internet, and phone service.

[Doctor Z]

Nice reference.








And for that sponsorship reference, you've earned yourself a cigar!

GIVE that man a cigar!

[Freitag]

I've had enough of this thread. I'd like to view a different one. Maybe a comedy?

I'd also like a bigger seat and some saffron risotto.

[Doctor Z]

Well HECK, BOY! HORSE POWER'S HORSE POWER! NOW GIDDYUP!

[Freitag]

Well HECK, BOY! HORSE POWER'S HORSE POWER! NOW GIDDYUP!

Look what you did. You happy now?!

[TheMojoPin]

HONK! Toodle! BLAT! HABBEDAH!!! Vrooooot-vroooooooot. DING-DONG!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Saw this on Perez Hilton. It's Arnold and HBox's favorite person!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9247/fp938175schwarzeneggerazp9.jpg

i'm pretty sure if i ever saw Guiseppe Franco on the street id walk up to him and punch him square in the face.

[Freitag]

HONK! Toodle! BLAT! HABBEDAH!!! Vrooooot-vroooooooot. DING-DONG!!!

Hey, that's a funny post, and for every funny post, Toshiba will be donating $1000 to the Joe Torre Safe at Home Foundation. For more information, log on to joetorre.org.

[TheGameHHH]

Hey, that's a funny post, and for every funny post, Toshiba will be donating $1000 to the Joe Torre Safe at Home Foundation. For more information, log on to joetorre.org.

that was Frietag's 40th post in this thread, while Benihanna is celebrating 40 years in the restaurant business.

[Freitag]

that was Frietag's 40th post in this thread, while Benihanna is celebrating 40 years in the restaurant business.

You mean the finest in teppen-yaki style dining? Benihana Steakhouse, with locations across the tri-state area?

[TheMojoPin]

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[Bulldogcakes]

George to cede control to his sons. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3063506)



I like this Hank Steinbrenner.

There's a lot of ways to read that.

1-After Steinbrenner's comments about "not bringing back Joe is he lost the ALDS" it would be pretty hard to sell to people that he's still running the team and keep Torre. This signals they're keeping Torre.

2-By bringing in a new management team, they'll be looking to bring in their own guy as manager. This way George doesn't get the blame for letting Torre go. This signals they're getting rid of Torre.

3-Steinbrenner made comments about "Keeping A-Rod, no matter what" Thats a pretty shitty bargaining position to be in, plus Boras can keep George's # in his back pocket if no one will pony up 30+ mil for A-Rod. Yanks position is "Opt out, we're out". This keeps that in place as a serious threat.

4-This has been in the works for a while, they announced Hal as chairman of the board of Yankee Global Enterprises last month, now Hank is taking over George's role as General Partner. Nothing more to it than that whatsoever.

By all accounts neither son has the passion for baseball or the limelight that George had. I'm looking forward to the Yanks being run by more quiet, traditional baseball owners. Let Cashman run the baseball end, Oppenhiemer pick the draft, and the rest of their people run the business. THey could very well be a much better team with their resources and a rational approach toward running the Yanks.

[Bulldogcakes]

OK, peeps. Time to play amateur GM. Feel free to criticize my plan, but make sure you offer a plan or counter proposal of your own. If you don't, you sir, are a turd.


First, a little background

NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/sports/baseball/15yankees.html?ref=baseball)

The ace starter Johan Santana of the Minnesota Twins would attract many suitors if he is dangled in a trade. So would Miguel Cabrera, the slugging third baseman for the Florida Marlins. If the Yankees lose Rodriguez — whose agent, Scott Boras, says they should be open to negotiating with him as a free agent — Cabrera would be an obvious target if the Marlins offered him.

The Yankees have deepened their farm system, and pitchers Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedy and Alan Horne were off-limits at the July trading deadline. Trading for a player of Cabrera's caliber, though, would probably require the Yankees to change that stance and to consider moving young position players like second baseman Robinson Canó and center fielder Melky Cabrera.

That seems unlikely, but the idea of using Melky Cabrera as a trading chip is intriguing because of the choices among free-agent center fielders: Torii Hunter, Andruw Jones and Aaron Rowand are all right-handed hitters who play outstanding defense.

The Yankees seem comfortable with Johnny Damon in left field, but in Hideki Matsui and Jason Giambi, they have two highly paid designated hitters. Matsui could return to left field if the Yankees trade Damon, but he was productive in the second half of the season and, like Matsui, makes $13 million a season.

I assume A-Rod will walk, but Miguel Cabrera sounds pretty steep if it would take Melky AND a top pitcher. I'd rather give that up for Johan Santana than Cabrera.

I hate to trade Damon, I'd rather trade Matsui but I doubt that's likely on either side. If that fails, see if Damon can play 1B in spring training. Then you keep his bat in the lineup. If/when A-Rod walks, I'd move Cano to 3B and look for a decent 2B through trade or FA. Maybe you can do a straight up deal for Damon with someone that has a good 2B and a kid up and coming. If that fails, sign Luis Castillo if his knee is healthy. Not much of a bat, but a good clubhouse presence and a winner. Ask Johan Santana about him.

I'd give Francisco Cordero closer money to set up for the next 3 years like they did with Tom Gordon a few years back.

Melky, Kennedy (or Horne) and Kevin Whelan go for Santana (gulp!) Sign Rowand to take CF. Pick up Abreu's option. Re sign Villone and Vizcaino to add veteran presence to the bullpen. Give Mussina away for nothing, take back a bad contract in return if necessary. Also I'd rather stick Matsui at 1B, but I think Damon will be better defensively.

Thats makes my roster
SP
Santana
Pettite
Wang
Hughes
Joba

RP
Edwar
Ohlendorf
Horne (or Kennedy if traded)
Villone
Vizcaino
Francisco Cordero
Mariano

C-Posada
1B-Damon
2B-Castillo
SS-Jeter
3B-Cano
RF-Abreu
CF-Rowand
LF-Matsui
DH-Giambi

Bench-RH-DH/1B/OF Duncan, Backup catcher Molina, Backup IF Betemit, 4th OF Brett Gardner

My main purpose was to get an ace for the staff, work in the kids and fill out the lineup with a few hard nosed grinders.

[cougarjake13]

By all accounts neither son has the passion for baseball or the limelight that George had. I'm looking forward to the Yanks being run by more quiet, traditional baseball owners. Let Cashman run the baseball end, Oppenhiemer pick the draft, and the rest of their people run the business. THey could very well be a much better team with their resources and a rational approach toward running the Yanks.


and that worries me and should worry the rest of mlb as well

[Bulldogcakes]

Friend: Mattingly says it's not time (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1192509335292550.xml&coll=1)

MATTINGLY MAY NOT WANT JOB (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10162007/sports/yankees/mattingly_may_not_want_job.htm)

Please hire Girardi. Give him 2 years and see what happens.

[Doctor Z]

La Rusa was a baseless rumor, and Mattingly has virtually taken himself out of the running.

The only options left are Girardi or bring back Torre.

It REALLY looks like, after ALL this, Torre is coming back... again.

[Kevin]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3065750)
Don Mattingly's agent refuted a report Tuesday that said he was uncomfortable replacing Joe Torre as the Yankees' manager.

[Bulldogcakes]

Link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

Newsday's Ken Davidoff says Andy Pettitte intends to exercise his $16MM player option for 2008. Davidoff points out that Pettitte has the same deadline for this decision as A-Rod has for his opt-out. Davidoff also mentions that Roger Clemens' most likely destination for 2008 appears to be back in Houston, if he plays.

[JPMNICK]

Guidry Gone? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3067357)

possible replacement is the AAA coach Dave Eiland, who worked with the young guys last season

[Doctor Z]

Just announced on WFAN: "Meetings have adjourned for the day and no decision has been reached. Discussions will continue tomorrow."

This is getting embarrassing. What is this, a fucking murder trial? YES or NO! They've had 10 days! What the fuck is there left to discuss? ENOUGH already...

Maybe tomorrow they'll announce a hung jury.

[JPMNICK]

Just announced on WFAN: "Meetings have adjourned for the day and no decision has been reached. Discussions will continue tomorrow."

This is getting embarrassing. What is this, a fucking murder trial? YES or NO! They've had 10 days! What the fuck is there left to discuss? ENOUGH already...

Maybe tomorrow they'll announce a hung jury.

why rush it? why make a snap decision. you have the entire off season. plus it is not as easy as get rid of joe. they have to think about what will happen to all the free agents if torre does not come back

[TheGameHHH]

why rush it? why make a snap decision. you have the entire off season. plus it is not as easy as get rid of joe. they have to think about what will happen to all the free agents if torre does not come back

if they made a decision today it would be far from a snap decision. they have had more then ample time to debate this. it is now simply a slap in the face to Joe Torre leaving him hanging like this

[Bulldogcakes]

if they made a decision today it would be far from a snap decision. they have had more then ample time to debate this. it is now simply a slap in the face to Joe Torre leaving him hanging like this

Somebody needs to track down Torre and get his side of this. Cashman said today that "They have to figure out whether they want to rehire a manager, and negotiations have to take place" I suspect that the Yanks are offering Joe the much rumored pay cut.

The pay cut is a no-lose proposition for the Yanks. If he accepts, they get him at half the salary and he's that much easier to fire. If he turns it down (which I suspect is what they prefer) then they get off the hook for the big pro-Torre backlash. Then it was Joe who turned them down, not the other way around. So its on him. So far, it seems Torre isn't taking the bait. I don't think Torre will accept the big pay cut, it signals they don't want him and whatever the $$, he won't want to be where he isn't wanted. He'll try to get a new deal and if/when that fails, he'll walk away.

But thats just an somewhat educated guess on my part. Nobody really knows whats going on except the principals involved. They really don't have to make a decision on the manager until Oct 31, thats when Torre's contract runs out.

[cougarjake13]

other than the la russa rumor and girardi there's not much else out there

so why not take the time

[Bulldogcakes]

Maybe its not so great being Derek Jeter after all (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21333688/)


Derek Jeter needs to validate parking if he wants to keep his dalliances on the down-low. Such a policy would’ve spared the New York Yankees captain an embarrassing morning-after at Miami’s Shore Club, reports the New York Post’s Page Six.

According to the paper, a Page Six source posted in the hotel’s lobby recently spied “two scantily clad women screaming at the front desk because they had spent the night at Jeter's penthouse and were then charged for parking.”

“The girls were wearing what looked like the same clothes they wore the night before — a tight cocktail dress and a miniskirt,” the insider added. “They were making a huge scene because they were asked to pay for parking.”
Apparently, the women didn’t think a night with the infamous ladies’ man was worth forking out the extra dough. The insider overheard Derek’s gal pals yelling on a phone, “After last night, he'd better [bleep]ing take care of it!” Ouch.

It all worked out for the frugal females in the end. “They eventually left happy. I assume (Derek) paid for their parking after all.”

We need pictures of these two.

[Bulldogcakes]

If it was "Bush league" when A-Rod did it

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pedroia2.gif

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif


Huh? Not a word, anywhere.

This was so good I had to post it twice.

[lleeder]

Superman dat Ho!!!!!!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

hahahaha, i missed that. that needs to be thrown up in the red sox thread.

[JPMNICK]

hahahaha, i missed that. that needs to be thrown up in the red sox thread.

it's not bush league because it is not the Yankees and Arod.

[Doctor Z]

If it was "Bush league" when A-Rod did it

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pedroia2.gif

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif


Huh? Not a word, anywhere.

This was so good I had to post it twice.

C'mon! THE RED SOX ARE THE SCRAPPY UNDERDOGS! I say it's a great play! GO SOX!

[Bulldogcakes]

hahahaha, i missed that. that needs to be thrown up in the red sox thread.

That's almost as good as when they complain about Yankee pitchers throwing at THEM.

[Bossanova]

If it was "Bush league" when A-Rod did it

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pedroia2.gif

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif


Huh? Not a word, anywhere.

This was so good I had to post it twice.

I am so happy to see this. I thought that the second he threw his hands

[BoondockSaint]

Never mind. I thought it was a different game.

[Doctor Z]

http://www.redsoxtimes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/slap.jpg
TOTALLY GAY.

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/Sites/slappy/SlappyOHairless.gif
HEADS-UP BASE RUNNING.

[HBox]

Don't worry. Curt Schilling will take all the time to explain why that is different, even if he has to talk for 2 years nonstop.

[Fallon]

http://www.redsoxtimes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/slap.jpg
TOTALLY GAY.

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/Sites/slappy/SlappyOHairless.gif
HEADS-UP BASE RUNNING.

How come the video stops? He didn't even hit the glove, just an awkward slide into first.

[ralphbxny]

How come the video stops? He didn't even hit the glove, just an awkward slide into first.

Sure!

[Fallon]

http://www.joshua.com/images/arod.gif

Fag.

[Bulldogcakes]

How come the video stops? He didn't even hit the glove, just an awkward slide into first.

I agree. And this

http://www.joshua.com/images/arod.gif

is just A-Rod testing out a new running technique.

[HBox]

Looks like Torre will be back.

[Kevin]

Looks like Torre will be back.

Yea thanks to fags like Mike and the Mad Dog.

[Ritalin]

Yea thanks to fags like Mike and the Mad Dog.

Seriously...are you listening to Mike and the Dog right now? You would think someone landed on the moon the way they're talking about it.

Jesus Christ. This is why I hate the Yankees. (but, I like Joe Torre)

[Kevin]

Seriously...are you listening to Mike and the Dog right now? You would think someone landed on the moon the way they're talking about it.

Jesus Christ. This is why I hate the Yankees. (but, I like Joe Torre)

Yea.. How the fuck is it petty to make Joe take a pay cut when he did not do the job for 3 years, and OK for him to get a pay hike when he was winning?? He got the 7.5 because he was successful.. And thats fine.. But to say its petty for him to get a pay cut is just asinine.

He gets no blame when we lose, but all the credit when he wins.. This shit pisses me off.

[Kevin]

Francessa is saying Torre turned down the Yankee offer..

Yanks basically did to Torre what they did with Bernie... Gave him a lower offer that they knew he will not accept.

[underdog]

Joe says No (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3069115)

[HBox]

This was a lousy way for it all to end.

[Fezticle98]

What an insult to Torre. Yankees management is classless.

[badorties]

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/10/19/wide_shove-it.jpg

[Snoogans]

i hope you hire Larry Bowa so you are immune to championships

[Snacks]

What an insult to Torre. Yankees management is classless.

why is this an insult. He was offered 5 million, he would still be the highest paid manager in baseball by 1.5 million. He could still make 3 million more in bonuses. This is a business and the yanks actually lost 20 million last year and who knows how much this year. It wasnt handled 100% properly but shit like this happen and Torre has made a career that a lot of managers could have had. Before he was a yankee manger he was under .500 and when he was signed most yankee fans didnt like it. There has been talk for years that any manager could I have done what torre did. I disagree with that a little but I do feel any manger can win in NY because they have the money to back them.