2008 New York Yankees Thread

[Bulldogcakes]

Somebody on a Yankee board compiled this list, its just interesting with all the trade talk going around

TOP 2 Minor League Pitching Prospects by Year...
1997 Kerry Wood Chi Matt White TB
1998 Kerry Wood Chi Matt White TB
1999 Rick Ankiel StL Bruce Chen Atl
2000 Rick Ankiel StL Ryan Anderson Sea
2001 Josh Beckett Fla Jon Rauch CWS
2002 Josh Beckett Fla Mark Prior ChC
2003 Jesse Foppert SF Jose Contreras
2004 Edwin Jackson LA Greg Miller LA
2005 Felix Hernandez Sea Scott Kazmir NYM
2006 Francisco Liriano Min Chad Billingsley LA
2007 Homer Bailey Cin Phil Hughes NYY

Even for the #1 guys, its still about 50/50. I still wouldn't trade Hughes or Joba under any circumstances. One of them should be and ace, maybe both. Hughes has the baseball IQ to overcome not having his best stuff, and Joba's stuff is just filthy.

[Freitag]

Somebody on a Yankee board compiled this list, its just interesting with all the trade talk going around



Even for the #1 guys, its still about 50/50. I still wouldn't trade Hughes or Joba under any circumstances. One of them should be and ace, maybe both. Hughes has the baseball IQ to overcome not having his best stuff, and Joba's stuff is just filthy.

From a pure marketing perspective, you don't get rid of Joba. When was the last time you saw a pitcher that was this beloved?

[JPMNICK]

How many months of this til opening day? :wallbash:

its going to seem like 2 years

[RingWraith]

its going to seem like 2 years

I agree. For six months I get so into the season, you really get used to it. And with every first round exits, it annoys me more that I have to go through an entire winter season, just to see the Yanks play again.

[Doctor Z]

Whatever happened to Eric Duncan at 1B? Wasn't he supposed to be the next big deal? I remember long before the name "Phillip Hughes" began to surface, "Eric Duncan" was the top Yankee prospect. Now we're trying to find a 1st baseman, and his name hasn't even come up in conversation... Did he suddenly just start sucking?

[HBox]

Whatever happened to Eric Duncan at 1B? Wasn't he supposed to be the next big deal? I remember long before the name "Phillip Hughes" began to surface, "Eric Duncan" was the top Yankee prospect. Now we're trying to find a 1st baseman, and his name hasn't even come up in conversation... Did he suddenly just start sucking?

Yep.

[Doctor Z]

Joe is nailing this press conference so far...

I really liked what he said about his dad, and Yogi Berra. Handling the press is PART OF THE JOB in New York, and I like how Girardi does that from what I've seen.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Didn't Giambi practically ball when he got on the stage about his dad's love of the Yankees? How'd that work out?

[Doctor Z]

Shhh...

[Freitag]

Didn't Giambi practically ball when he got on the stage about his dad's love of the Yankees? How'd that work out?

You have to understand something - Giambi the PERSON is very well liked by the organization and is seen as a good clubhouse guy, something which shocked me.

Yes, he's injured often and it's affected his production, and he's embarassed the organization, but they like him. I think that's why he hasn't gotten killed in the press as much as he should have.

[ralphbxny]

Girardi looked good during the press conference...hopefully we look good during the season!

[HBox]

Whatever happened to Eric Duncan at 1B? Wasn't he supposed to be the next big deal? I remember long before the name "Phillip Hughes" began to surface, "Eric Duncan" was the top Yankee prospect. Now we're trying to find a 1st baseman, and his name hasn't even come up in conversation... Did he suddenly just start sucking?

To elaborate on my previous post, he's hit .241 and .201 the previous two seasons, hasn't shown much power, strikes out a ton, and has been plagued by back problems.

He's still young enough to develop but its not looking good.

[Kevin]

The main thing i picked up from this press confrence is that Girardi has an ugly ass wife.. That needs to change, now that he is a Yankee..

[TheGameHHH]

To elaborate on my previous post, he's hit .241 and .201 the previous two seasons, hasn't shown much power, strikes out a ton, and has been plagued by back problems.

He's still young enough to develop but its not looking good.

and he went to Seton Hall Prep, which automatically makes him a homo.

[Doctor Z]

The main thing i picked up from this press confrence is that Girardi has an ugly ass wife.. That needs to change, now that he is a Yankee..

DAMN RIGHT!
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/51731791.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE96BE15B48A813C78 A40A659CEC4C8CB6

[Kevin]

DAMN RIGHT!
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/51731791.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE96BE15B48A813C78 A40A659CEC4C8CB6

She still isnt worse than Girardi's wife..

[Kevin]

Scott Protcer loads the shot gun (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090266&POLL312=800000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000)

[lleeder]

Scott Protcer loads the shot gun (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090266&POLL312=800000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000)

I wonder what Scott Proctor thinks about all this...

[zildjian361]

The main thing i picked up from this press confrence is that Girardi has an ugly ass wife.. That needs to change, now that he is a Yankee..

so what does she look like Kevin? missed her:unsure:

[Kevin]

so what does she look like Kevin? missed her:unsure:

You don't wanna know..

[BoondockSaint]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071101/i/r2322087453.jpg?x=380&y=288&sig=LfFTR6cGk_sFgg4Y2X73Nw--

[Kevin]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071101/i/r2322087453.jpg?x=380&y=288&sig=LfFTR6cGk_sFgg4Y2X73Nw--

I rest my case..

[JPMNICK]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071101/i/r2322087453.jpg?x=380&y=288&sig=LfFTR6cGk_sFgg4Y2X73Nw--

that looks like his sister

[lleeder]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071101/i/r2322087453.jpg?x=380&y=288&sig=LfFTR6cGk_sFgg4Y2X73Nw--

Good that means he can focus on his work

[Doctor Z]

He was totally bangin' other chicks during his days as a ballplayer.

[Doctor Z]

After going missing approximately 24 hours ago, it appears police have tracked down Scott Proctor's location. Here are some live shots...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/almanac/video/1994/oj.murder/oj.bronco.jpg

http://wizbangblog.com/images/bronco1.jpg

http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/courses/EEB195-2007/Lecture07/pics/oj.bronco.jpg

[lleeder]

He was totally bangin' other chicks during his days as a ballplayer.

Thats true. I read that when he played he'd fuck skanky chicks in the ass with no bag. He called it the suicide squeeze.

[Bulldogcakes]

its going to seem like 2 years

Not for me. This is one of the most pivotal, fascinating off seasons they've had in years. Its amazing how much coverage the Yanks are getting, its like Football doesn't exist in this town.

[Bulldogcakes]

Joe is nailing this press conference so far...

I really liked what he said about his dad, and Yogi Berra. Handling the press is PART OF THE JOB in New York, and I like how Girardi does that from what I've seen.

How about his #27? After so many years of Torre telling everyone to lower their expectations, he's EMBRACING the challenge.

God, I LOVE Girardi.

[Doctor Z]

OH SHIT, I didn't even think of that... They were saying how his #25 from his playing days was taken by Giambi, so he took #27... But it didn't even occur to me till you just said that.

That's kinda awesome.

[Bulldogcakes]

Scott Protcer loads the shot gun (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090266&POLL312=800000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000)

Well, at least the fine folks at Scott Proctors Arm (http://scottproctorsarm.blogspot.com/) don't have to change their name anymore.

Just their team affiliation.

[Bulldogcakes]

OH SHIT, I didn't even think of that... They were saying how his #25 from his playing days was taken by Giambi, so he took #27... But it didn't even occur to me till you just said that.

That's kinda awesome.

Yep. I just wonder what happens when he gets it. He can't seem like he's satisfied with 27. Does he change his # to 28? Then 29? That will get old after a few parades.

BTW-Great post with the OJ/Proctor thing. Hilarious!

[JPMNICK]

i just read mariano is expected to get 3 years and 40 million. that seems like a LOT years to sign him for. I can see 2 years at 25-28 million

[Doctor Z]

Right now (especially with A-Rod's salary off our backs) you gotta give Mo and Po WHATEVER they want. Signing them is IMPERATIVE.

[Kevin]

Boras is now attacking Mariano.. Saying that if he got those final 3 outs in 04.. Arod would be clutch.. Yea.. Like 05 06 07 were Mo's fault too.. First the comment of the Yanks could still talk to him, now this.. The more he speaks, the more i think he has nothing for Arod, and is in full desperation mode..

What people do not realize is.. Even if a team can afford him, they still can't afford to pay their what their other stars would want, now that they have Arod making what he is making on his team.. Arod will not get close to what he was making this year, let alone more...

[JPMNICK]

Right now (especially with A-Rod's salary off our backs) you gotta give Mo and Po WHATEVER they want. Signing them is IMPERATIVE.

i think when you factor in what texas was paying, he was actually getting less from the yanks then Jeter is.

[zildjian361]

I rest my case..

I Hear ya. ain't she a biker chick.::dry::smoke:

[lleeder]

Boras is now attacking Mariano.. Saying that if he got those final 3 outs in 04.. Arod would be clutch.. Yea.. Like 05 06 07 were Mo's fault too.. First the comment of the Yanks could still talk to him, now this.. The more he speaks, the more i think he has nothing for Arod, and is in full desperation mode.

This was mentioned on WFAN as early as 6 in the morning today. Not exactly breaking news. :tongue:

[Kevin]

This was mentioned on WFAN as early as 6 in the morning today. Not exactly breaking news. :tongue:

You sure you didnt imagine hearing that at 6, drinky drinkterton?

[Bulldogcakes]

i just read mariano is expected to get 3 years and 40 million. that seems like a LOT years to sign him for. I can see 2 years at 25-28 million

His contract doesn't worry me. You can just ease him out of the closers spot and use him less and less as he ages.

With Posada, every team already has a backup catcher, so you'll just phase him out over the course of his deal as well. Hopefully Montero (http://yankeeprospects.blogspot.com/2006/12/prospect-profile-jesus-montero-9.html) will be ready to come up in the next few years as a backup, and can be phased into the starters role like Jorge was, over the course of a few years after that.

[Bulldogcakes]

What people do not realize is.. Even if a team can afford him, they still can't afford to pay their what their other stars would want, now that they have Arod making what he is making on his team.. Arod will not get close to what he was making this year, let alone more...

From the Yankee side, I think losing him will eventually be the best thing for the franchise. It will force them to do 2 things. Pick up some of the production elsewhere, and focus on pitching to lower the amount of runs needed in the first place. By spreading the production around you will end up having a longer, more versatile, more dangerous lineup. A-Rod's huge #s allowed you to carry a Doug Mientkevitz at 1B, a Melky in CF. Then when he goes into a slump in the post season your lineup has too many holes in it, ESPECIALLY with him hitting in the important cleanup spot. Now, they will have to get more production out of 1B and CF and as a result I think the lineup will be more efficient.

[Bulldogcakes]

I've come to the conclusion that they should move Matsui (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5372) instead of Damon. Damon gives you better fielding in LF, has more speed on the basepaths and when he's going right the lineup seems to flow smoothly. Matsui is very streaky hitter, 13 of his 25 HR's came in July and he did little outside of that. He's a double play machine when he's a little off, which is more and more frequent lately. He's also lousy with RISP and 2 out and with the bases loaded. Seattle would love to have him, I'm sure. Maybe LA now that Torre's there since Joe always loved him as a player.

But you just can't carry 2 LF again. I'd like to carry an extra pitcher this year to avoid blowing out the bullpen again if someone gets hurt and/or the rookies struggle. Both of which are very likely.

[TheGameHHH]

I've come to the conclusion that they should move Matsui (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5372) instead of Damon. Damon gives you better fielding in LF, has more speed on the basepaths and when he's going right the lineup seems to flow smoothly. Matsui is very streaky hitter, 13 of his 25 HR's came in July and he did little outside of that. He's a double play machine when he's a little off, which is more and more frequent lately. He's also lousy with RISP and 2 out and with the bases loaded. Seattle would love to have him, I'm sure. Maybe LA now that Torre's there since Joe always loved him as a player.

But you just can't carry 2 LF again. I'd like to carry an extra pitcher this year to avoid blowing out the bullpen again if someone gets hurt and/or the rookies struggle. Both of which are very likely.

yep.....totally agree. so much so, i think I made that exact point several pages back. When Damon is on his game the Yankees line-up works. And i think he can be very productive this year if he shows up in shape.

[JPMNICK]

yep.....totally agree. so much so, i think I made that exact point several pages back. When Damon is on his game the Yankees line-up works. And i think he can be very productive this year if he shows up in shape.

what was his major problem last year? wasn't it a persistent leg injury? is it supposed to heal in the off season?

[Bulldogcakes]

yep.....totally agree. so much so, i think I made that exact point several pages back. When Damon is on his game the Yankees line-up works. And i think he can be very productive this year if he shows up in shape.

Critics are going to say "You already lost A-Rod, now you're giving up MORE power?"

and my answer is yes, and I don't care. Let them become more of a pass the baton team like they used to be in the 90's. Also, I'd like to do a Giambi/Duncan platoon at 1B. If that works, you should get more power out of that spot this year. Plus if you trade Melky and get any of a number of available CF's (Hunter/Rowand/Jones) you pick up power there as well, and also fielding range.

I'm still VERY undecided about 3B. Crede doesn't thrill me, Cabrera will cost too much in prospects, Glaus is a steroid guy with foot plantar fasciitis (sound familiar?) The only one I really like is Tejada, but I have no idea what he'll cost, and if he wants to move the 3B.

[JPMNICK]

i am not thrilled with Duncan at 1st. I just do not see him being a major contributor offensively this year. after his hot start, he really did not look all that comfortable at the plate. maybe it was nerves and trying to prove something.

[Bulldogcakes]

what was his major problem last year? wasn't it a persistent leg injury? is it supposed to heal in the off season?

He came into camp fat and out of shape. So did Abreu. Torre of course, did nothing about it. Then we all wonder why they sucked so bad until late May.

One thing about Girardi, he won't put up with that.

[JPMNICK]

He came into camp fat and out of shape. So did Abreu. Torre of course, did nothing about it. Then we all wonder why they sucked so bad until late May.

One thing about Girardi, he won't put up with that.

coming fat into camp is one reason i do not want FLA's cabrera here at all. imagine how fucking huge he would be with all the food and entertainment in NYC, esp. with the huge contract he would get. he would be fucking Kirby Puckett

[Bulldogcakes]

i am not thrilled with Duncan at 1st. I just do not see him being a major contributor offensively this year. after his hot start, he really did not look all that comfortable at the plate. maybe it was nerves and trying to prove something.

Duncan is a one trick pony. He's not great with the glove, but he's adequate. He's not an every day player. The one thing he does is KILL left handed pitching. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=28832) .984 OPS. Thats what I want from him.

I give it a try, if it doesn't work I use Betemit over there.

[Doctor Z]

Remember Matsui before he broke his wrist? ...when he was good?

Yeah, I miss that guy.

[Bulldogcakes]

From a Yankee site. I thought it was funny

For all superstitous yankee fans
Im not really a believer but for those of you who do...the CURSE OF MATTINGLY IS OVER

77-world series won
78-world series won
79-mattingly drafted, Munson dies, 18 year drought begins
96- we win
97- mattinglys number retired, raises championship banner, loss in postseason
98-2000 we win when hes gone completely
2001-mattingly becomes special hitting instructer in minors-farewell dynasty
2002-2007-nuff said

prediction...we win in 08,09,10,11,12...

[Kevin]

From a Yankee site. I thought it was funny

I have been sayin that for months..

[spoon]

"prediction...we win in 08,09,10,11,12... "

Y, just y do most people hate yank fans?:wallbash:

[lleeder]

"prediction...we win in 08,09,10,11,12... "

Y, just y do most people hate yank fans?:wallbash:

They have low expectations? :innocent:

[cougarjake13]

Boras is now attacking Mariano.. Saying that if he got those final 3 outs in 04.. Arod would be clutch.. Yea.. Like 05 06 07 were Mo's fault too..

...

This was mentioned on WFAN as early as 6 in the morning today. Not exactly breaking news. :tongue:

You sure you didnt imagine hearing that at 6, drinky drinkterton?

i actually heard francesa say it on monday i think after A rod opted out

[cougarjake13]

For all superstitous yankee fans
Im not really a believer but for those of you who do...the CURSE OF MATTINGLY IS OVER

77-world series won
78-world series won
79-mattingly drafted, Munson dies, 18 year drought begins
96- we win
97- mattinglys number retired, raises championship banner, loss in postseason
98-2000 we win when hes gone completely
2001-mattingly becomes special hitting instructer in minors-farewell dynasty
2002-2007-nuff said

prediction...we win in 08,09,10,11,12...


another weird qwirk

yankees won 7 WS in the 50's and when mattingly wasw born in 61 they won that year and the year after but not again til 76

[TheMojoPin]

another weird qwirk

yankees won 7 WS in the 50's and when mattingly wasw born in 61 they won that year and the year after but not again til 76

Soooooo...it's really not that weird since they still won 2 WS when he was alive. It completely disproves that theory that was being set up.

[cougarjake13]

Soooooo...it's really not that weird since they still won 2 WS when he was alive. It completely disproves that theory that was being set up.

yeh i realized that after i posted and got kicked off the computer before i could edit it

what if he didnt pick up a baseball bat til after the 2nd ws win, then it would work

[Doctor Z]

what if he didnt pick up a baseball bat til after the 2nd ws win, then it would work

I think you may have nailed it.

[Doctor Z]

Abreu will be back. Option picked up.

Hopefully he shows up for the WHOLE season this time.

[cougarjake13]

Abreu will be back. Option picked up.

Hopefully he shows up for the WHOLE season this time.

how much is his option for ??

[Doctor Z]

$16 mil. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091279)

When reached for comment, Bobby Abreu issued the following statement:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg
"IS GOOD."

[TheGameHHH]

$16 mil. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091279)

When reached for comment, Bobby Abreu issued the following statement:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg
"IS GOOD."

hahahahaha......now thats funny. im glad they picked him up this year, he contributes well and i think he'll have a solid year.

[Kevin]

Sources: Yankees more than $100M short of entertaining A-Rod (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277)


Before Alex Rodriguez opted out of his contract with the Yankees earlier this week, the team was told that it would not be able to meet with the third baseman unless it presented an offer of at least $350 million, sources say.


The Yankees had hoped to meet with Rodriguez this week, and would have presented him with an extension offer close to five years and $150 million, to begin at the conclusion of his 2008-2010 contract, through which he would have earned $81 million. Through the Yankees' proposal, then, Rodriguez would have made about $230 million over eight years, and during the last five years of the contract, sources say, he would have earned the highest annual salary in Major League Baseball history.

ha!

[Doctor Z]

Sources: Yankees more than $100M short of entertaining A-Rod (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277)


Before Alex Rodriguez opted out of his contract with the Yankees earlier this week, the team was told that it would not be able to meet with the third baseman unless it presented an offer of at least $350 million, sources say.

Who is this guy, Howard Stern?

[Kevin]

Who is this guy, Howard Stern?

He will help the team he joins compete for a title just as much as Stern has helped Sirius compete with XM..

[Freitag]

He will help the team he joins compete for a title just as much as Stern has helped Sirius compete with XM..

So we should get ready for a merger with whatever team he signs with?

[TheGameHHH]

So we should get ready for a merger with whatever team he signs with?

yea i have no idea where Kevin was going with that either

[TheMojoPin]

yea i have no idea where Kevin was going with that either

ARod's departure has apparently led to Kevin completely removing himself from baseball reality.

Everyone listening to Boras talking about $350 million or wanting 12 years and such are giving his negotiation tactics way too much credit. The big dollar amount was basically giving ARod an out where he could say the Yankees didn't want to pay him...and in the random chance someone was going to pay him that, it would have been the Yankees. Talking about wanting $30 million per and 12 years is just starting high before neogations chip things down. "Demanding" 12 suddenly makes 8-10 look so much better to team that are on the fence. "Demanding" $30 million per makes $25-$28 million per seem much more reasonable.

[zildjian361]

$16 mil. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091279)

When reached for comment, Bobby Abreu issued the following statement:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg
"IS GOOD."

Bobby's a decent player $16 mil. Joe Giradi 3 years 7.5 mil. :unsure:

[zildjian361]

From a Yankee site. I thought it was funny

i'll take 08 fer starter's but ya got any more pics of that chick tied up in red:smoke::drunk::wink:

[zildjian361]

i'll take 08 fer starter's but ya got any more pics of that chick tied up in red:smoke::drunk::wink:

shit you just changed it:down:

[Bulldogcakes]

shit you just changed it:down:

Its a rotating sig numb skull.

And that's a pic of the immortal Chasey Lain. Most gorgeous woman ever in the history of porn, with Nikki Dial a close second.

[Bulldogcakes]

$16 mil. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091279)

When reached for comment, Bobby Abreu issued the following statement:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5698.jpg
"IS GOOD."

There were reports that Abreu offered to tear up his current deal and would sign a 2 year 22 mil deal. That sounds pretty reasonable, I wish the Yanks would have done that. Its not their policy, but at that rate you wouldn't get killed on it, either.

I wonder what their plans are for 09. Crawford plays left, Vlad will be 33. Maybe they figure either Austin Jackson or Tabata will be ready, and if not they just re up with Abreu for another year or two.

[Kevin]

Cashman Tells Cano The Score, Playfully
Robinson Cano said publicly a few days ago that he did not want to play third base. As I noted at the time, it's not really up to him. If he wants to get paid, he'll play where the Yankees want him to. Another thought is that taking Cano out of the 3B mix could hurt the Yankees' negotiating position slightly. Brian Cashman would rather have teams and agents think he's fully willing to move Cano to third or use Wilson Betemit. It does ring a bit hollow, kind of like when Cashman was saying they'd use Bubba Crosby as the team's center fielder a few years back.

Anyway, Cashman "playfully" informed Cano today that third base was indeed an option for him. He made a point to appear lighthearted here, perhaps to avoid public conflict if he does move Cano. I actually like the idea if the Yanks can make a reasonable deal for Orlando Hudson.

Hudson would be a decent fit, but they need to get power elsewhere if they do that..

[Bulldogcakes]

Jorge Posada denies rift with Joe Girardi (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/03/2007-11-03_jorge_posada_denies_rift_with_joe_girard.html)

Upset over several recent published reports suggesting there is a rift in his relationship with new Yankee manager Joe Girardi, free agent Jorge Posada directed his agents to put out a statement yesterday in which Posada said he learned a great deal from Girardi when the two were Yankee teammates from 1996-99

"Girardi was my mentor and he always taught me the value of having a great work ethic and how it was most important to maintain the position year after year," said Posada

[Bulldogcakes]

Something to pay attention to with the Twins and Santana.

Tori hunter filed for free agency last week. That means the Twins have until November 13th to sign him. Once he goes free agent, he's almost definitely gone. The Twins aren't going to outbid everyone for his services. They can't afford BOTH Hunter and Santana and would like to sign Hunter since he's more popular with the fans and they really have no hope of affording Santana at the salary he'll demand.

If they lose Hunter, there's no urgency to deal Santana. If anything, they'd prefer to keep him and try to compete next year. They have a new stadium coming and they can't go into all out rebuilding mode. They can always deal him at the trading deadline next year if they fall out of the race.

Long story short, watch what happens with Hunter. If the Twins lose Hunter, Santana's not going anywhere.

[cougarjake13]

Something to pay attention to with the Twins and Santana.

Tori hunter filed for free agency last week. That means the Twins have until November 13th to sign him. Once he goes free agent, he's almost definitely gone. The Twins aren't going to outbid everyone for his services. They can't afford BOTH Hunter and Santana and would like to sign Hunter since he's more popular with the fans and they really have no hope of affording Santana at the salary he'll demand.

If they lose Hunter, there's no urgency to deal Santana. If anything, they'd prefer to keep him and try to compete next year. They have a new stadium coming and they can't go into all out rebuilding mode. They can always deal him at the trading deadline next year if they fall out of the race.

Long story short, watch what happens with Hunter. If the Twins lose Hunter, Santana's not going anywhere.


and that would truly suck balls but i guess maybe they'll deal him at the deadline

[TheMojoPin]

Long story short, watch what happens with Hunter. If the Twins lose Hunter, Santana's not going anywhere.

Do you mean nothing's happening during this off-season or ever in terms of them moving him? Santana has made it very clear multiple times in the press and in public that he basically does not want to stay there.

[HBox]

Do you mean nothing's happening during this off-season or ever in terms of them moving him? Santana has made it very clear multiple times in the press and in public that he basically does not want to stay there.

With their pitching they might as well see if they can compete next year. Santana, Liriano and Garza has the potential to be the best top 3 starters in MLB if Liriano comes back healthy and Garza continues to develop. Big ifs to be sure but you might as well try. Santana will get you a boatload of prospects no matter when you deal him.

[Doctor Z]

Do you mean nothing's happening during this off-season or ever in terms of them moving him? Santana has made it very clear multiple times in the press and in public that he basically does not want to stay there.

Manny does that every year.

[TheMojoPin]

With their pitching they might as well see if they can compete next year. Santana, Liriano and Garza has the potential to be the best top 3 starters in MLB if Liriano comes back healthy and Garza continues to develop. Big ifs to be sure but you might as well try. Santana will get you a boatload of prospects no matter when you deal him.

I'm agreeing with you if you're saying that it's likely that they eventually move him before the deadline next season. I was disagreeing with BDC talking like the Twins won't bother to try to move him at all if they don't hold onto Hunter. Santana will not be pitching for the Twins in 2009.

[Bulldogcakes]

They can always deal him at the trading deadline next year if they fall out of the race.

I think that was pretty clear.

Plan B's include Bedard, CC Sabathia, Jon Garland and Dontrelle Willis. Bedard's the only one that excites me there. Garland has amazing numbers in Yankee stadium, and would likely cost the least, given his age, stats and salary. But Hank said the Yanks need a "Top of the rotation" starter, not sure that Garland fits that bill.

[TheMojoPin]

I think that was pretty clear.

Plan B's include Bedard, CC Sabathia, Jon Garland and Dontrelle Willis. Bedard's the only one that excites me there. Garland has amazing numbers in Yankee stadium, and would likely cost the least, given his age, stats and salary. But Hank said the Yanks need a "Top of the rotation" starter, not sure that Garland fits that bill.

I just wasn't sure if you were talking like the Twins wouldn't at some point pretty much have to trade Santana.

Bedard is indeed incredible, but I doubt the O's trade him within the division like that. Plenty of teams with lots of talent to move throughout both leagues are going to want a young, cheap ace like that and can easily match or surpass any offer the Yankees put out there.

Garland is still definitely capable, but he's a solid "#3+" at this point, so you're right in that
he's not a top of the order guy.

[Kevin]

Take it for what its worth.. Its ESPN..

Friday, November 2
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jorge Posada
Yankees Mets?
Yankees Posada to Mets?
Nov 2 - According to the New York Daily News, Mets GM Omar Minaya has identified Jorge Posada as one of the team's top free-agent targets.

More than likely the Mets would have to make a significantly better offer than the Yankees for Posada, 37, to move to Queens, possibly giving the catcher a four- or five-year deal. The Yankees have exclusive negotiating rights to Posada until Nov. 13, and they have internally discussed an offer of three years and $40 million, but it might take more than that to bring him back to the Bronx.

Posada had one of his best seasons in 2007, hitting .338 with 20 homers and 90 RBIs. He earned $12 million last season, and will likely get a contract that pays $13 million to $14 million annually.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Chicago Sox eye Hunter, Rowand
Nov 2 - The White Sox have center fielders Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand on the short list of players they'd like to pursue in free agency, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Although Hunter and Rowand are both Type A free agents, the White Sox would only stand to lose a second-round pick if they were to sign one of them because they finished with one of the 15 worst records in baseball in 2007.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

San Francisco Giants want Vizquel, Feliz back
Nov 2 - Because Giants GM Brian Sabean is looking to build the team around pitching and defense, he is near an agreement to bring back shortstop Omar Vizquel, and has also expressed an interest in re-signing third baseman Pedro Feliz, according to the San Jose Mercury News.

Vizquel, 40, will more than likely sign a one-year deal with a potential option for 2009. He is leaving for the Venezuelan Winter League on Sunday, and the Giants hoped to finalize a deal before he left.

Feliz, who has changed agents, has already filed for free agency, but the Giants have exclusive negotiating rights with him until Nov. 11.

Sabean also hopes accomplish more on the trade market, starting at the GM meetings next week in Orlando, and will gauge the market for Noah Lowry, Jonathan Sanchez and others, according to the San Jose Mercury.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Joe Crede
White Sox Yankees? Crede to replace A-Rod?
Nov 2 - With Alex Rodriguez apparently out of the picture in New York, the Yankees and the White Sox have had preliminary discussions about third baseman Joe Crede, who is coming off back surgery, reports the New York Daily News.

The White Sox could look to deal the right-handed hitting third baseman, who hit 30 home runs in 2006, because Josh Fields appears ready to take over at third in Chicago.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jason Jennings
Astros Rockies? Will Jennings return?
Nov 2 - According to the Denver Post, Rockies GM Dan O'Dowd has confirmed that former Colorado pitcher Jason Jennings is among the pitchers on the team's free-agent list.

Jennings, the winningest pitcher in Rockies' history, was last December to the Astros for pitchers Jason Hirsh and Taylor Buchholz and center fielder Willy Taveras. But Jennings finished 2-9 with a 6.45 ERA and underwent surgery to repair a torn flexor tendon on Sept. 1. He plans to begin throwing on Nov. 15.

"Obviously my situation is a little different coming off a year when I had surgery," Jennings told the Denver Post. "But I fully anticipate being ready for the season."
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Pittsburgh Bucs manager on the way
Nov 2 - New Pirates GM Neal Huntington has now interviewed five candidates for the open managerial position and is on the verge of making a decision, reports the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Huntington's final interview was with Indians third-base coach Joel Skinner. The other candidates include White Sox bench coach Joey Cora, Class AAA Indianapolis manager Trent Jewett, Dodgers bench coach Dave Jauss, and Class AAA Lehigh Valley manager John Russell, a former Pirates coach.
Thursday, November 1
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Carlos Silva
Twins Silva changes agents
Nov 1 - Carlos Silva, who is expected to be among the most hotly-pursued starting pitchers on the market this winter, informed the players union earlier this week that he's switching agents, according to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. Silva has left Peter Greenberg, who represents Johan Santana, for Barry Praver and Scott Shapiro, the agents who negotiated Carlos Zambrano's five-year, $91.5 million deal with the Chicago Cubs in August.

Silva, 28, is 55-46 with a 4.31 ERA in six seasons with Philadelphia and Minnesota.

Durability will be a major selling point in his negotiations with clubs this winter; Silva has averaged 31 starts and 193 innings per year since 2004 with the Twins.
Wednesday, October 31
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Alex Rodriguez
Yankees Tigers?
Giants?
Mets?
Dodgers?
Angels?
Cubs? Shea hey?
Oct 31 - A person with knowledge of the Mets' offseason plans tells 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand the Mets are considering pursuing Alex Rodriguez. Mets COO Jeff Wilpon declined comment through a spokesman.

The Mets are trying to figure out the logistics of a move, because there is no obvious positon for Rodriguez. David Wright, who is currently at third, said this past spring he would be willing to switch positions if the Mets brought in A-Rod. The Mets have a vacancy at second, but the team isn't sure Wright could make a smooth transition there. First base would seem to be a better fit, but Carlos Delgado is signed through next year.

The Mets are a bit hesitant about making position moves because a few years back they switched Jose Reyes to second to make room for Kazuo Matsui. The move backfired, and they eventually had Reyes return to short before trading Matsui to Colorado.

Rodriguez, of course, will be on several teams' lists, the Newark Star-Ledger reports. The Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Tigers and Cubs are also expected to dip their toes in the A-Rod waters.
Friday, October 19
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Torii Hunter
Twins Nationals?
Braves?
Rangers?
Rangers? Hunter interested in D.C., Atlanta
Oct 19 - Torii Hunter, who is expected to become a free agent this offseason, told MLB.com he is interested in joining the Nationals because of his close relationship with Dmitri Young and because of Washington, D.C.'s large African-American population. For the same reason, he is also interested in Atlanta.

"I always talk to my wife about being interested in playing in front of the African-American fans and trying to get the African Americans back to playing the game," he told MLB.com. "If I go to Atlanta or D.C. and make a difference that way, I would love it. Trust me -- D.C. is very interesting to me as well as Atlanta."

Hunter, who has won six Gold Gloves while playing center field for the Twins, is coming off a year in which he hit .287 with 28 home runs and a career-best 107 RBIs.

Hunter, 32, has also given some thought about playing close to home in Texas. He lives with his wife and three children about 50 miles north of Arlington, which seems to make him a natural fit.
Tuesday, October 16
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Mike Lowell
Red Sox Phillies? Lowell to Phils?
Oct 16 - The Phillies will be looking to upgrade at third base, and the Philadelphia Daily News reports that one option could be Red Sox third baseman Mike Lowell, who can be a free agent after this season.

Lowell, 33, is likely to remain in Boston, where he hit .324 with 21 homers and 120 RBIs this season. He?s also thought about the Philadelphia as a potential destination.

"There are a number of teams that I'd be interested in. Is it a playoff-caliber team? That's a big thing for me. And the Phillies obviously fit in there," said Lowell, who was a Phillies fan as a kid. "And I've always hit well in that [Citizens Bank Park -- .353 with seven homers, 14 RBIs]. So that would definitely be a team I would consider.?
Sunday, October 14
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Curt Schilling
Red Sox Phillies? Would Schilling return?
Oct 14 - Curt Schilling, who is set to become a free agent after the season, said he'd be open to returning to Philadelphia, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The Red Sox need to decide if they want to give Schilling, 41, a contract extension after made $13 million this season. The Inquirer said the Phillies have talked internally about pursuing Schilling in order to upgrade their rotation.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Florida Potential moves for Marlins
Oct 14 - Given the Marlins' low payroll, the team isn't expected to keep both Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera, and both could be gone by the end of 2009, reports the Miami Herald.

In addition, there is sentiment toward pursuing Mets catcher Paul Lo Duca, the former Marlin who will become a free agent. They are also expected to look at other free agent catching options such as Yorvit Torrealba, Michael Barrett and Jason Kendall.

[Bulldogcakes]

The Yankees still CAN buy the World Series (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-yankees-still-can-buy-the-world-series/)

I like some of his ideas better than others, but its an interesting read either way. Eliminating no trade clauses or limiting them is a good idea, and is do able. There's enough cache coming to the Yanks that you can ask free agents for small concessions. They already ask them to take a token amount less, to avoid setting new salary ceilings (which drive Selig nuts). Not putting in no trade clauses would be more valuable to the franchise, and the overall payroll will likely be slowly drifting down over the next few years, so they have cover with Bud Selig there.

One thing I do agree on, and have been thinking about since A-Rod left, is moving Jeter to 3B. Maybe not next year, but they have to do it eventually. He's already not as good defensively, and the Yanks said when he first came up in 96 that he'd have to move there as he got older. Well guess what, he's older now.

[Kevin]

He lost me at this...

Step 1: Trade Melky Cabrera, Wilson Betemit, Shelley Duncan and Darrell Rasner for Johan Santana.

That is the worst trade proposal ever... If i were the Twins GM, and Cashman ever made that offer, i would block his email, all his numbers, and punch him in the face the 1st time i saw him. Because clearly he thinks i am a retarded monkey... WHY WOULD YOU EVEN PRINT THAT??

[TheGameHHH]

He lost me at this...

Step 1: Trade Melky Cabrera, Wilson Betemit, Shelley Duncan and Darrell Rasner for Johan Santana.

That is the worst trade proposal ever... If i were the Twins GM, and Cashman ever made that offer, i would block his email, all his numbers, and punch him in the face the 1st time i saw him. Because clearly he thinks i am a retarded monkey... WHY WOULD YOU EVEN PRINT THAT??

for all the crazy shit you've spewed out the past week or two i thought i was losing you for good. but you made me laugh here Kevin, i gotta agree with you. i dont see how that even qualifies as a trade proposal.

[Kevin]

for all the crazy shit you've spewed out the past week or two i thought i was losing you for good. but you made me laugh here Kevin, i gotta agree with you. i dont see how that even qualifies as a trade proposal.

BDC should be banned for a week, for making us read that..

[Bulldogcakes]

BDC should be banned for a week, for making us read that..

I SAID I don't agree with all of his ideas!

I had the same initial reaction to that proposal, but I thought his reasoning was sound. Maybe not those particular names (I'd add Kennedy and drop Betemit), but non flashy players with lots of cheap service time at ML average production is what they're all about.

Another thing I keep coming across, and he mentioned it too. Lots of people around baseball think Santana is starting to decline. Slowly, just slightly, but they think he has turned that corner. He wasn't as dominant this year, but he's only 28 for crying out loud and throws a devastating change that makes his fastball look harder even if its not 96 anymore.

I also thought giving Andruw Jones 95/5 was nuts too. I'd sign him, but for a 15 mil one year with incentives where he can show last year was a fluke, and then go free agent again off a solid year. But watch Boras get the 5 year deal anyway.

[Kevin]

I SAID I don't agree with all of his ideas!

I had the same initial reaction to that proposal, but I thought his reasoning was sound. Maybe not those particular names (I'd add Kennedy and drop Betemit), but non flashy players with lots of cheap service time at ML average production is what they're all about.

Another thing I keep coming across, and he mentioned it too. Lots of people around baseball think Santana is starting to decline. Slowly, just slightly, but they think he has turned that corner. He wasn't as dominant this year, but he's only 28 for crying out loud and throws a devastating change that makes his fastball look harder even if its not 96 anymore.

ahem.. STEVE PHILLIPS, STOP LOGGING INTO BDC'S ACCOUNT!

[TheGameHHH]

I SAID I don't agree with all of his ideas!

I had the same initial reaction to that proposal, but I thought his reasoning was sound. Maybe not those particular names (I'd add Kennedy and drop Betemit), but non flashy players with lots of cheap service time at ML average production is what they're all about.

Another thing I keep coming across, and he mentioned it too. Lots of people around baseball think Santana is starting to decline. Slowly, just slightly, but they think he has turned that corner. He wasn't as dominant this year, but he's only 28 for crying out loud and throws a devastating change that makes his fastball look harder even if its not 96 anymore.

I also thought giving Andruw Jones 95/5 was nuts too. I'd sign him, but for a 15 mil one year with incentives where he can show last year was a fluke, and then go free agent again off a solid year. But watch Boras get the 5 year deal anyway.

on the subject of Andruw Jones, i just CAN NOT see him getting a 5 year deal after last year's production. If players like Adrian Beltre can get huge contracts for having one good season in a walk year, i have to imagine the reverse would hold true for stars that have poor production in a walk year. I'm not saying Jones will be relegated to $250,000 a year for 2 years or something absurd, but he simply can not command superstar money and a long term deal with his numbers from last season. Does Boras represent him? I dont even know. But if he does get a large, multi-year deal......then i will personally be convinced that Boras is the reincarnation of Satan.

[Kevin]

Forget about that awful proposal.. Which you would be laughed at if you offered it for Tito Santana, let alone Johan.. And the Jones one Game just talked about.. Then....


RICHIE SEXON!! RICHIE SEXON?? Mr 15mil 206AVG 5000k's a year Richie?? How about just signing Giambi to his original deal again.. Thats a great idea too!

[Bulldogcakes]

Brian Cashman, Yankees look to replace A-Rod at third base (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/04/2007-11-04_brian_cashman_yankees_look_to_replace_ar.html)

GARRETT ATKINS
Contract status: Eligible for arbitration. Made $400,000 this year. Not eligible for free agency until after after 2010 season.
2007 season: .301 average, 25 homers and 111 RBI were a slight drop-off from previous season, when Atkins had a .329-29-120 line. Went just 7-for-40 (.175) in the playoffs. Below-average range at hot corner, but has steady hands and a good arm.
Why available: Top prospect Ian Stewart is ready for the majors after a September call-up. Rockies have talked about moving Stewart to second base, but might prefer to get a young pitcher for Atkins instead.
Why Yanks would want him: Righthanded bat would help balance lineup and he'd be under team control for three years. Wouldn't have to give up as much as they would to get Cabrera.


Atkins for some young pitchers (not the big 3) which we have a ton of. It looks like a match. Until you see his road splits (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5507). Another product of Coors field.

Miguel Cabrera is a bad fielder, fat, and will cost too much in prospects.

Crede is coming off a back injury, which can be very tricky. Mattingly was never the same after his back injury. Though the Chisox are looking for a CF, maybe a straight up deal for Damon gets it done, and solves 2 problems for the Yanks. 3B and the OF glut.

Tough call for Cashman. I'm still leaning toward Crede.

[Bulldogcakes]

Damon for Crede theory picks up steam (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-011103sox,1,2084779.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)


With Joe Crede recently cleared to perform baseball work, the Sox's trade options for teams seeking third basemen could expand and pave the way for Fields to return to third after playing left field for four weeks last season.

One possibility is the New York Yankees, who could make leadoff batter/outfielder Johnny Damon available after picking up the $16 million option on Bobby Abreu.

It makes sense for both parties involved. The Yanks should be getting an additional prospect given the questions about Crede's health are much more serious than any about Damon. Damon's 13 mil is about market rate these days, Crede's 5 mil will be a bargain if he's healthy, but thats a big if. It's a steal for the Chisox if its a straight up deal. They have a 3B with Josh Fields, they need a CF and leadoff hitter. Damon fits the bill perfectly and proved he was healthy after the slow start last year. Its getting rid of garbage for gold from their perspective if its a straight up deal. They are immediately a better team as a result, the Yanks aren't so sure of that.

Don't forget Randy Johnson had back surgery last year, and lasted about 2 months.

[Kevin]

Damon for Crede theory picks up steam (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-011103sox,1,2084779.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)



It makes sense for both parties involved. The Yanks should be getting an additional prospect given the questions about Crede's health are much more serious than any about Damon. Damon's 13 mil is about market rate these days, Crede's 5 mil will be a bargain if he's healthy, but thats a big if. It's a steal for the Chisox if its a straight up deal. They have a 3B with Josh Fields, they need a CF and leadoff hitter. Damon fits the bill perfectly and proved he was healthy after the slow start last year. Its getting rid of garbage for gold from their perspective if its a straight up deal. They are immediately a better team as a result, the Yanks aren't so sure of that.

Don't forget Randy Johnson had back surgery last year, and lasted about 2 months.

Well Crede isn't 41 either.. But i know what you are getting at.. Although David Wells still pitched pretty well after multiple back surgery's.. I would rather have them take Matsui though.. I still think Damon when healthy, is a good player. Matsui, i think he is about done..

[Doctor Z]

If Damon proved anything this year it's that he hits in the post-season. He had a sub-par year, with injuries and the likes... but he loves the pressure and he's no doubt a big game player. I want him on the team next year.

[Kevin]

If Damon proved anything this year it's that he hits in the post-season. He had a sub-par year, with injuries and the likes... but he loves the pressure and he's no doubt a big game player. I want him on the team next year.

Hitting in the playoffs is for pussies..

[Doctor Z]

Point taken.

[Doctor Z]

Unsettling...

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/torredodgers.jpg

Press conf. going on right now on mlb.com.

[Kevin]

Poor Dodger fans.. The awful trifecta.. Torre Mattingly and Bowa..

[Kevin]

I gotta say though, he does handle himself great with the media..

[Doctor Z]

Poor Dodger fans.. The awful trifecta.. Torre Mattingly and Bowa..

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Kevin]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

So you WANTED them back?

[Doctor Z]

I still feel it was Torre's time to go (not necessarily the way it went down), but by no means would I consider a coaching staff of Torre/Mattingly/Bowa an "awful" coaching staff.

And Larry Bowa was PERFECT at 3rd base this year. I honestly can point to maybe ONE bad call he made there all year. HUGE upgrade from Send 'Em Home Sojo.

[Kevin]

I still feel it was Torre's time to go (not necessarily the way it went down), but by no means would I consider a coaching staff of Torre/Mattingly/Bowa an "awful" coaching staff.

And Larry Bowa was PERFECT at 3rd base this year. I honestly can point to maybe ONE bad call he made there all year. HUGE upgrade from Send 'Em Home Sojo.

Yea, but an upgrade from send em home, would be a monkey.. But yea, Bowa wasn't terrible..

[Kevin]

These foreign newspapers ask the dumbest questions.. What can you say about the Chinese players, would you like some Japanese players like Matsui..

What Chinese players?

And

Thats tampering stupid!

[A.J.]

Yea, but an upgrade from send em home, would be a monkey.


http://images.inc.com/magazine/20040901/difranco.jpg

[Marc with a c]

These foreign newspapers ask the dumbest questions.. What can you say about the Chinese players, would you like some Japanese players like Matsui..

What Chinese players?

And

Thats tampering stupid!

who are you talking to?

[Kevin]

who are you talking to?

Myself, silly!

[Marc with a c]

Myself, silly!

carry on.

[TheGameHHH]

So, Pettitte declined his option........this pitching staff for next season keeps looking better and better.

[HBox]

So, Pettitte declined his option........this pitching staff for next season keeps looking better and better.

He still hasn't retired..... yet. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096412)

[TheGameHHH]

He still hasn't retired..... yet. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096412)

I know, I know......We've all heard the Yankees or retirement line. But declining your option clearly can't be a positive sign.

[HBox]

I know, I know......We've all heard the Yankees or retirement line. But declining your option clearly can't be a positive sign.

True, but if he still hasn't made up his mind he couldn't exercise the option and there is a deadline coming up soon for that.

[Bulldogcakes]

"I have spoken with Brian Cashman, who has reiterated what Hank Steinbrenner said about the Yankees wanting to give Andy all the time he needs to decide about next season," Pettitte's agent, Randy Hendricks, said Monday in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "Accordingly, we are declining to exercise the option for 2008 and Andy will declare free agency in order to free up a roster spot for the Yankees.

"If Andy decides to play, I am confident we can reach an agreement with the Yankees within 24 hours. The only options, as Andy has stated, are the Yankees or retirement. He appreciates the Yankees' willingness to give him the time he feels he needs. I do not expect him to make a decision for quite some time."

I'm not worried about Andy at all. He said his elbow felt good, better than he has in years. I still think he'll be back. He is still far more likely to return than Posada and Mo, and no one seems worried about them.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm not worried about Andy at all. He said his elbow felt good, better than he has in years. I still think he'll be back. He is still far more likely to return than Posada and Mo, and no one seems worried about them.

personally i'm worried about all 3 of them. i have said the whole time i only think 2 of the 3 will be back at best. but it appears that posadas people are talking to the yanks this week and mo's people were down in tampa last week. so thats a good sign i guess

[Bulldogcakes]

personally i'm worried about all 3 of them. i have said the whole time i only think 2 of the 3 will be back at best. but it appears that posadas people are talking to the yanks this week and mo's people were down in tampa last week. so thats a good sign i guess

I'd be surprised if all 3 don't return. The Yanks usually don't lose guys over a few million bucks.

BTW-This may just be procedural. It may just mean they're tearing up his old deal and giving him another one. Check this out

Cashman has “a good hunch” on Pettitte (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/)

If Cash is dropping hints about Andy, maybe something is in the works.

[Bulldogcakes]

From the same page

Joe Crede of the White Sox is in the same situation. The Yankees are unlikely to trade for him now. They would first wait until Dec. 12 to see if Chicago offers him a contract. If he is non-tendered, he becomes a free agent.

Beyond that, he is an infielder coming off back surgery. Obtaining him by any means is risky. Trading Johnny Damon for him would be lunacy in my opinion.

Again, a straight up trade sounds too risky from the Yankee POV. It would have to include more from the Chisox side, and even then its risky. Bad backs have ended/ruined many careers. Mattingly comes to mind.

Heyman said today (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/11/05/monday.scoop/1.html) that the Yanks feel they can do much better for Damon, and I agree.

• Regarding the reported discussion of Johnny Damon for Joe Crede that was first mentioned in the Chicago Tribune, one GM said he thought there'd actually more of a market for Damon than that. If healthy, Crede is an excellent defender with power, in the Graig Nettles mold, but Crede's back ailment that limited him to 47 games apparently limits his trade value now.

[Kevin]

From the same page



Again, a straight up trade sounds too risky from the Yankee POV. It would have to include more from the Chisox side, and even then its risky. Bad backs have ended/ruined many careers. Mattingly comes to mind.

Heyman said today (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/11/05/monday.scoop/1.html) that the Yanks feel they can do much better for Damon, and I agree.

With the injury, Damon is way too much to give.. And like Z said, Damon was. one of the few who has hit in the playoffs for him.. A healthy Johnny is dangerous..

And as for Andy.. I am not worried.. He is just wait until he see's how the Yanks shape up, then he either retire, or re sign..

[Marc with a c]

found ya

[BoondockSaint]

And as for Andy.. I am not worried.. He is just wait until he see's how the Yanks shape up, then he either retire, or re sign..

I agree. I think once he see how the 2008 Yanks are then he make he decision. He not stupid. He either retire or he re sign.

[Kevin]

found ya

I am going to get a 15 post Yankee thread restraining order out on you..

[TheGameHHH]

With the injury, Damon is way too much to give.. And like Z said, Damon was. one of the few who has hit in the playoffs for him.. A healthy Johnny is dangerous..

And as for Andy.. I am not worried.. He is just wait until he see's how the Yanks shape up, then he either retire, or re sign..

I would be inclined to agree with you, except tonight Cashman said that's NOT the case. He said in no way do the off-season roster moves have any bearing on Andy's decision. At least, that's what I thought he said. I could be imagining that.

[Kevin]

I would be inclined to agree with you, except tonight Cashman said that's NOT the case. He said in no way do the off-season roster moves have any bearing on Andy's decision. At least, that's what I thought he said. I could be imagining that.

I think if Andy is going to be away from his family, and go through another year.. He is gunna make sure its gunna be worth it by having a shot to compete for a title..

[Kevin]

Cabrera officially on trade block (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/06/marlins.cabrera/index.html)

ORLANDO -- Florida third baseman Miguel Cabrera is officially on the trading block.

The Marlins have begun contacting selected teams about the possibility of a Cabrera blockbuster. The Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels are all expected to have interest.

[Earlshog]

Cabrera officially on trade block (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/06/marlins.cabrera/index.html)

ORLANDO -- Florida third baseman Miguel Cabrera is officially on the trading block.

The Marlins have begun contacting selected teams about the possibility of a Cabrera blockbuster. The Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels are all expected to have interest.

That would make people forget Arod pretty quick.

[Kevin]

So much for Mike Francessa's "Little birdie" who told him he will NOT be available..

[Snoogans]

cabrera would make people beg for arod. he comes here and signs a big contract, he will be 400 pounds in 2 years

[Kevin]

cabrera would make people beg for arod. he comes here and signs a big contract, he will be 400 pounds in 2 years

Like thats stopped Prince Fielder from hitting 50hrs..

[Snoogans]

Like thats stopped Prince Fielder from hitting 50hrs..

fielder doesnt play 3rd, bro. and he can at least catch. Cabrera plays Defense like the NEW York Jets front 7

[Dan 'Hampton]

Thats why you move him to 1st and invest in a mediocre 3rdbaseman

[Kevin]

Fucking Mike Francess aggravates the shit out of me sometimes. He is so fucking stubborn, it makes him illogical

They were talking about Cabrera.. and he is like watch the mets watch the Mets.. Omar loves him.. Russo says, they have nothing to give, that can compete with the Yanks and other teams

Mike: yea, i know but watch the Mets

HOW!

If they cant compete with other teams how are they players for him? And Russo kept on saying they don't have anything.

Yea i know but my friend says Omar loves him and they will be a player. It went on for about 10-15 mins. Just annoying to no end

[BoondockSaint]

Cabrera officially on trade block (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/06/marlins.cabrera/index.html)

ORLANDO -- Florida third baseman Miguel Cabrera is officially on the trading block.

The Marlins have begun contacting selected teams about the possibility of a Cabrera blockbuster. The Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels are all expected to have interest.

Watch the Mets.

[Kevin]

Watch the Mets.

Its not even that.. Maybe the Mets have people Fla wants.. But if your going to acknowledge that you think they do not have enough, how can you say they have a chance??

[BoondockSaint]

Its not even that.. Maybe the Mets have people Fla wants.. But if your going to acknowledge that you think they do not have enough, how can you say they have a chance??

You have to watch the Mets.

[lleeder]

I have a good friend "in the business" and he told me
Watch the Mets

[Kevin]

You have to watch the Mets.

I am only tolerating you because your Steelers Powned Spoon on my fantasy team last night..

[BoondockSaint]

I am only tolerating you because your Steelers Powned Spoon on my fantasy team last night..

When it comes to trading for Big Ben, watch the Mets.

[Doctor Z]

That would make people forget Arod pretty quick.

Not when Cabrera boots 4 ground balls a day.

[Bulldogcakes]

cabrera would make people beg for arod. he comes here and signs a big contract, he will be 400 pounds in 2 years

And as we all know, fat guys can't hit




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[Doctor Z]

Yeah, but we wouldn't be picking up Cabrera to DH or be a fat 1st baseman... He'd be attempting to play the hot corner (which A-Rod managed to do quite well).

[Kevin]

Yeah, but we wouldn't be picking up Cabrera to DH or be a fat 1st baseman... He'd be attempting to play the hot corner (which A-Rod managed to do quite well).

Well not the year before.. He had like 30 E's..

[Bulldogcakes]

But seriously, I don't give up any of the 3 pitchers for a hitter. No matter how good he is. Look at it this way, Cabrera's OPS is around .965 last year. Excellent, but I can get a Beltre whose OPS was .801 last year w/o giving up any of the pitchers. Difference of roughly one and a half BASES per 10 AB's. 3/4 of a base per game.

Now lets say Kennedy is the pitcher it would take to get Cabrera. Look at who will likely replace Kennedy as the 5th starter. Jeff Karstens is one candidate. If you project Kennedy as an above average pitcher next year, pitching to a 4 ERA, and replace him with Karstens whose career ERA is over 5 and a half. 1.5 RUNS more, a run is 4 bases so thats adding 6 bases on the bad side of the ledger.

Now you just traded a guy who will give you an extra 3/4 of a base per game and replaced the pitcher you gave up in your rotation with a guy who gives up an extra 1.5 RUNS, or 6 bases. If you want to score it everyday since Cabrera is an everyday player and Kennedy isn't, its still roughly 4 bases (1 run) every 5 days whereas Kennedy would give up 6 bases less (1.5 runs) than the guy you replace him with.

Bad baseball decision. I'm not trading ANY of the young pitchers for position players.

[Bulldogcakes]

Well not the year before.. He had like 30 E's..

2nd worst in the league.

[Kevin]

Did you see Karstans pitch last year..?? I would go with the other youngsters they have over Ol Hey Arnold Cartoon head.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And as we all know, fat guys can't hit




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[Snoogans]

cabrera is 2 years away from being as fat as tony gwynn is now though. He is on pace to be even bigger then cecil fielder

[Bossanova]

And fatso's can't play the field so well. And the Yankees already have two over paid DH's

[Bulldogcakes]

Did you see Karstans pitch last year..?? I would go with the other youngsters they have over Ol Hey Arnold Cartoon head.

Agreed, I just figure he's the next in line if Kennedy was gone. I could say Chase Wright, or Matt Desalvo, but the numbers actually get worse.

That being said, I WOULD TRADE EVERY ONE OF THE 3 ROOKIE PITCHERS. YES, EVEN JOBA. For an upgrade in PITCHING.

I can't believe how many top of the rotation LEFTIES are on the market right now. I can't remember ever seeing anything like this. Santana, Bedard, Kazmir, and even Dontrelle at 25 still has that potential. All under 28, all #1 type starters and LEFTIES, who tend to do well in Yankee stadium. If you could package Hughes as the centerpiece of a Santana deal, then do the same with Joba as the centerpiece (with others, obviously) of a Kazmir deal, then do a Kennedy+ deal for Bedard you would have an absolutely ridiculous rotation, all lefties except for Wang. I would empty out the farm system to get that done. You're trading young, unproven right handed pitchers for still young, but experienced and proven Lefties. Who cares about 3B at that point. You have the best rotation in all of baseball.

I don't think Cash will do all 3, but I bet he does one. Its a smart baseball move, and the Yanks need a #1. Preferably 2 of them.

[cougarjake13]

Fucking Mike Francess aggravates the shit out of me sometimes. He is so fucking stubborn, it makes him illogical

They were talking about Cabrera.. and he is like watch the mets watch the Mets.. Omar loves him.. Russo says, they have nothing to give, that can compete with the Yanks and other teams

Mike: yea, i know but watch the Mets

HOW!

If they cant compete with other teams how are they players for him? And Russo kept on saying they don't have anything.

Yea i know but my friend says Omar loves him and they will be a player. It went on for about 10-15 mins. Just annoying to no end

and they dont even bring up the fact tha brining cabrera would mean someone is going to have to move to a new position, just like if they went after a rod

[Kevin]

and they dont even bring up the fact tha brining cabrera would mean someone is going to have to move to a new position, just like if they went after a rod

Well they said Omar wants to make him a corner OF..

[lleeder]

Agreed, I just figure he's the next in line if Kennedy was gone. I could say Chase Wright, or Matt Desalvo, but the numbers actually get worse.

That being said, I WOULD TRADE EVERY ONE OF THE 3 ROOKIE PITCHERS. YES, EVEN JOBA. For an upgrade in PITCHING.

I can't believe how many top of the rotation LEFTIES are on the market right now. I can't remember ever seeing anything like this. Santana, Bedard, Kazmir, and even Dontrelle at 25 still has that potential. All under 28, all #1 type starters and LEFTIES, who tend to do well in Yankee stadium. If you could package Hughes as the centerpiece of a Santana deal, then do the same with Joba as the centerpiece (with others, obviously) of a Kazmir deal, then do a Kennedy+ deal for Bedard you would have an absolutely ridiculous rotation, all lefties except for Wang. I would empty out the farm system to get that done. You're trading young, unproven right handed pitchers for still young, but experienced and proven Lefties. Who cares about 3B at that point. You have the best rotation in all of baseball.

I don't think Cash will do all 3, but I bet he does one. Its a smart baseball move, and the Yanks need a #1. Preferably 2 of them.

I can't wait for Spoon to see this. :wacko:

[Kevin]

I can't wait for Spoon to see this. :wacko:


Plus he agreed with a point i said he was wrong on him on, after he made it..

[cougarjake13]

Well they said Omar wants to make him a corner OF..

ahh then i have no problem with that

[lleeder]

Plus he agreed with a point i said he was wrong on him on, after he made it..

I want to understand this, I really do.:wacko:

[HBox]

I want to understand this, I really do.:wacko:

What? It's a perfectly cromulent sentence.

[TheMojoPin]

Agreed, I just figure he's the next in line if Kennedy was gone. I could say Chase Wright, or Matt Desalvo, but the numbers actually get worse.

That being said, I WOULD TRADE EVERY ONE OF THE 3 ROOKIE PITCHERS. YES, EVEN JOBA. For an upgrade in PITCHING.

I can't believe how many top of the rotation LEFTIES are on the market right now. I can't remember ever seeing anything like this. Santana, Bedard, Kazmir, and even Dontrelle at 25 still has that potential. All under 28, all #1 type starters and LEFTIES, who tend to do well in Yankee stadium. If you could package Hughes as the centerpiece of a Santana deal, then do the same with Joba as the centerpiece (with others, obviously) of a Kazmir deal, then do a Kennedy+ deal for Bedard you would have an absolutely ridiculous rotation, all lefties except for Wang. I would empty out the farm system to get that done. You're trading young, unproven right handed pitchers for still young, but experienced and proven Lefties. Who cares about 3B at that point. You have the best rotation in all of baseball.

I don't think Cash will do all 3, but I bet he does one. Its a smart baseball move, and the Yanks need a #1. Preferably 2 of them.

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[Kevin]

I want to understand this, I really do.:wacko:


I guess i may have said it too fast..

I made the point that Karstans is garbage and would rather see anyone but him, after he said Karstans could replace Kennedy.. Then he posts he agrees with me that Karstans is garbage.. Then why would he want him to take Kennedys place??

Happy now?

[HBox]

I guess i may have said it too fast..

I made the point that Karstans is garbage and would rather see anyone but him, after he said Karstans could replace Kennedy.. Then he posts he agrees with me that Karstans is garbage.. Then why would he want him to take Kennedys place??

Happy now?

You have certainly embiggened our understanding of your post.

[Kevin]

What? It's a perfectly cromulent sentence.

You have certainly embiggened our understanding of your post.

Clyde Frazier.. STOP POSTING ON HBOX'S ACCOUNT!

[TheGameHHH]

So today in Orlando Cashman stated he wants Damon to lead off and play left field at the start of next year, so that leaves Matsui as DH at best. Also, Damon showed up to the meetings. I think that's pretty cool, even if he does live in Orlando, he doesn't have to be there for any reason. Damon also claimed he's called A-rod during the off-season and has yet to hear back from him.......surprise.

[Bulldogcakes]

I can't wait for Spoon to see this. :wacko:

I posted it with him in mind.

Are any of you retards familiar with the term "hypothetical"? My point was that some seem totally opposed to trading the young pitchers under any circumstances, and there are scenarios where it makes all the sense in the world.

[Bulldogcakes]

I guess i may have said it too fast..

I made the point that Karstans is garbage and would rather see anyone but him, after he said Karstans could replace Kennedy.. Then he posts he agrees with me that Karstans is garbage.. Then why would he want him to take Kennedys place??

Happy now?

I said no such thing. Read what I actually posted.

[Kevin]

I said no such thing. Read what I actually posted.

My mistake.. You said he was a candidate but did point out that he sucks balls.. Missed that part..

[Bulldogcakes]

AP wire (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/11/07/ap4314815.html)

Hank Steinbrenner said Wednesday that the Yankees would not trade one of their big-three youngsters for a bat.

"It's pretty obvious which players we're not going to trade," Steinbrenner said. "(Joba) Chamberlain, (Phil) Hughes and even (Ian) Kennedy. Not for a position player." It's interesting that the Yankees keep bringing up those three but not Chien-Ming Wang. The Marlins would surely want one of the younger guys in a Miguel Cabrera trade anyway. If the Yankees aren't willing to part with one of the three, there's no way they'd be able to pull off that kind of deal.



*sigh of relief*

But of course, fatso and fruit loops would make the deal.

[Doctor Z]

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"DISHING AND SWISHING!"

[Kevin]

The $203 million difference
posted: Thursday, November 8, 2007 | Print Entry

People keep asking why the Yankees scratched A-Rod off their shopping list as soon as he pushed that opt-out button. Here's our response: Do you have a cash register handy? If you do, get it out. It explains everything.

1) Subtract the $21 million Texas would have owed him over the next three years.

2) Add in the 40-percent luxury tax the Yankees have to pay on every contract.

3) Now here's the difference between what they would have owed if A-Rod had taken their offer, versus the opt-out price tag if they meet his demand:

$203 million.

That's not the contract, gang. That's the difference. Any more questions?

When we laid out this equation on SportsCenter last week, we used $230 million as the magic number instead of $203M. We've since done more reporting on the precise figures and revised it downward slightly -- but only very slightly. Here's where that $203 million comes from:

GUESS-TIMATE OF YANKEES' OFFER: 5 years, $145 million
PLUS 3 YEARS LEFT ON OLD CONTRACT: 3 years, $81 million
YANKEES' LUXURY-TAX BILL: $82 million
A-ROD'S TAKE: 8 years, $226 million
YANKEES' BILL (subtracting Texas money): $287 million

A-ROD'S DEMAND: 12 years, $350 million
LUXURY TAX: $140 million
YANKEES' BILL (counting luxury tax): $490 million

So to sum up this math lesson, the Yankees were prepared to make this man the highest-paid player in history -- only to learn they were going to have to come up with another 203 million bucks for the mere privilege of retaining that same player.

Does everybody understand now why they didn't say, "Hey, no problem"?

Not too big of an artical so i decided to BDC it..


Thats a big difference.. You can see why the Yanks said, he opts out he is gone..

[JPMNICK]

200 million EXTRA is insane. al the shitty thing is that some of that money goes to the Marlins who now will use it to pay A-Rod.

[Bulldogcakes]

Tejada possible, plus Orioles interested in Kyle Farnsworth (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/sports/baseball/08yanks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

A trade for Tejada is a backup plan for the Yankees, who could afford him. With two years and $26 million left on his contract, the Orioles want to move him.

The Yankees are doubtful that Peter Angelos, the Orioles’ owner, would make a major deal with them. But after 10 consecutive losing seasons, Angelos has ceded some control to his new president of baseball operations, Andy MacPhail, who said the team needed an overhaul.

“We have to be open-minded to anything,” MacPhail said. “Trying to sign a free agent here and there and Band-Aid this thing is not a strategy that has really worked out.”

MacPhail said the Orioles want to rebuild their talent base in all areas, suggesting they would want multiple players in any deal. They need pitching and have an obvious hole in center field, where Melky Cabrera would fit.

The Orioles also need a closer because of injuries to Chris Ray and Danys Báez and are interested in Kyle Farnsworth, who was developed by the Chicago Cubs when MacPhail and Manager Dave Trembley worked there.

[Jujubees2]

The $203 million difference
posted: Thursday, November 8, 2007 | Print Entry

People keep asking why the Yankees scratched A-Rod off their shopping list as soon as he pushed that opt-out button. Here's our response: Do you have a cash register handy? If you do, get it out. It explains everything.

1) Subtract the $21 million Texas would have owed him over the next three years.

2) Add in the 40-percent luxury tax the Yankees have to pay on every contract.

3) Now here's the difference between what they would have owed if A-Rod had taken their offer, versus the opt-out price tag if they meet his demand:

$203 million.

That's not the contract, gang. That's the difference. Any more questions?

When we laid out this equation on SportsCenter last week, we used $230 million as the magic number instead of $203M. We've since done more reporting on the precise figures and revised it downward slightly -- but only very slightly. Here's where that $203 million comes from:

GUESS-TIMATE OF YANKEES' OFFER: 5 years, $145 million
PLUS 3 YEARS LEFT ON OLD CONTRACT: 3 years, $81 million
YANKEES' LUXURY-TAX BILL: $82 million
A-ROD'S TAKE: 8 years, $226 million
YANKEES' BILL (subtracting Texas money): $287 million

A-ROD'S DEMAND: 12 years, $350 million
LUXURY TAX: $140 million
YANKEES' BILL (counting luxury tax): $490 million

So to sum up this math lesson, the Yankees were prepared to make this man the highest-paid player in history -- only to learn they were going to have to come up with another 203 million bucks for the mere privilege of retaining that same player.

Does everybody understand now why they didn't say, "Hey, no problem"?

Not too big of an artical so i decided to BDC it..


Thats a big difference.. You can see why the Yanks said, he opts out he is gone..

I thought that since the Yankees are building a new stadium, they don't actually have to pay the luxery tax as long as they put the money towards the new stadium.

[BoondockSaint]

I thought that since the Yankees are building a new stadium, they don't actually have to pay the luxery tax as long as they put the money towards the new stadium.


That only counts for a year or two.

[Bulldogcakes]

I thought that since the Yankees are building a new stadium, they don't actually have to pay the luxery tax as long as they put the money towards the new stadium.


The tax threshold is up to 148 mil this year, so it doesn't matter anyway for most teams. Expect many to expand their budgets. That makes A-Rod's 30 mil more affordable to teams like the Mets, Angels, Giants and Dodgers in the 90-115 mil range.

They should just rename it the "Yankee Tax", because they pay most of it and always have.

[Bulldogcakes]

Yanks prefer to trade Matsui, but probably can't (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks085451531nov08,0,2181235.story?track=rss)

The Yankees would be more amenable to trading Hideki Matsui, the person said, although that likely would prove a difficult task. Matsui has a full no-trade clause, and given his status as a revered figure in Japan, it could be embarrassing for him to leave the Yankees, for whom he left the renowned Yomiuri Giants in 2003.

Consequently, the Yankees are unlikely to aggressively shop Matsui, whose fading defense makes him less appealing than Damon. They could give Matsui more opportunities at designated hitter by playing Jason Giambi occasionally at first base and giving the physically deteriorating Giambi more rest.

Wish they could deal him. Damon has more left. Seattle always LOVES Japanese players, I'd see if he wants to go there.

[Freitag]

Chan Ho Park signs with... the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Scott Proctor, comment?

[HBox]

Chan Ho Park signs with... the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Scott Proctor, comment?

Scott Proctor curled up in a fetal position and hasn't communicated since Torre was named Dodgers manager. They're hoping to stop the drooling and have his thumb out of his mouth by the time pitchers and catchers report.

[Doctor Z]

I really don't like all this talk about Tejada. Francessa seems to like the idea, but I'm pretty sure he's an idiot.

Do we REALLY want another steroid guy? Another aging former star? He's not the same player he was 3-4 years ago (gee, I wonder why), and does it really make sense to give up youth like Melky for another potential Giambi? There's no doubt Tejada comes with steroid implications. I hate the idea. No thanks.

[chubbyknuckles]

I really don't like all this talk about Tejada. Francessa seems to like the idea, but I'm pretty sure he's an idiot.

Do we REALLY want another steroid guy? Another aging former star? He's not the same player he was 3-4 years ago (gee, I wonder why), and does it really make sense to give up youth like Melky for another potential Giambi? There's no doubt Tejada comes with steroid implications. I hate the idea. No thanks.

plus your not gonna get even close to the steroid numbers with tejada, he's a waste, make the offers to torrie hunter then trade melky and a pitcher to fla for cabrera, girardi already worked with him, and he'd be fine here, and then we have another right hand power hitter.

[TheGameHHH]

I really don't like all this talk about Tejada. Francessa seems to like the idea, but I'm pretty sure he's an idiot.

Do we REALLY want another steroid guy? Another aging former star? He's not the same player he was 3-4 years ago (gee, I wonder why), and does it really make sense to give up youth like Melky for another potential Giambi? There's no doubt Tejada comes with steroid implications. I hate the idea. No thanks.

Z, I totally agree with ya brother. The second I saw Melky's name involved with that trade i almost threw my computer out the window. This has Giambi Part II written all over it.

[Kevin]

Z, I totally agree with ya brother. The second I saw Melky's name involved with that trade i almost threw my computer out the window. This has Giambi Part II written all over it.

Agreed.. Want no part of Tejada..

[Kevin]

WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Johan Santana
Twins Yankees want Santana
Nov 9 - If the Twins make Johan Santana available this offseason, expect the Yankees to work aggressively to get him, according to the New York Times.

Santana, 28, is signed for one more season, but he is expected to command around $20 million a season as a free agent. The Yankees have indicated they would not deal Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy for a position player. However, they might for someone like Santana, who is already a two-time Cy Young Award winner. The Yankees would get competition for Santana from the Mets, who are looking for starting pitching, especially now that Tom Glavine is likely to sign elsewhere.

The Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox could pursue Santana if they are willing to part with Jon Lester or Clay Buchholz and negotiate a long-term deal with the left-hander. New Twins GM Bill Smith has made signing Santana his top priority before listening to offers


Friday, November 9
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Miguel Cabrera
Marlins Angels
Dodgers
Indians?
Yankees?
Red Sox?
White Sox?
Giants? Marlins want Kendrick for Cabrera
Nov 9 - According to the Los Angeles Times, the Marlins want the Angels to include second baseman Howie Kendrick in any trade package for third baseman Miguel Cabrera.

The Marlins could ask for Kendrick and the Angels' two top prospects, third baseman Brandon Wood and pitcher Nick Adenhart, in exchange for Cabrera, 24, would fortify the middle of the Angels' lineup around Vladimir Guerrero. The Angels could enhance their chances if they could negotiate a contract extension with Cabrera, who is two years from free agency.

The Angels and the Dodgers are considered the front-runners to acquire Cabrera, a four-time All-Star. The Miami Herald reports that the Dodgers, also in dire need of a middle-of-the-order threat, could try to entice the Marlins with players such as outfielder Matt Kemp, third baseman Andy LaRoche and pitchers Chad Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw.

Other teams that have expressed an interest in Cabrera are the Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox, Giants and Indians.
Thursday, November 8
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Miguel Tejada
Orioles Yankees? Tejada an option for Yanks?
Nov 8 - The Yankees have some interest in Miguel Tejada as a possible replacement for Alex Rodriguez at third base, The Baltimore Sun reports.

"We have to be open-minded to anything," Orioles president Andy MacPhail, talking in general about the potential of moving Tejada, told the newspaper. "If we think a deal at the end of the day makes sense for us, we're going to do it."
Wednesday, November 7
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jake Peavy
Padres Yankees? Yankees kick tires on Peavy
Nov 7 - The Yankees and Padres engaged in conversations at the GM meetings (Jake Peavy was one of the names kicked around), but it doesn't appear as if there's any kind of fit, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reports.
Tuesday, November 6
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jorge Posada
Yankees Mets?
Yankees Posada wants four years
Nov 6 - Jorge Posada is seeking a four-year deal, the New York Daily News reports. The 36-year-old free-agent catcher plans to make the Yankees wait until he hears offers from other teams before making a decision.
Friday, November 2
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Joe Crede
White Sox Yankees? Crede to replace A-Rod?
Nov 2 - With Alex Rodriguez apparently out of the picture in New York, the Yankees and the White Sox have had preliminary discussions about third baseman Joe Crede, who is coming off back surgery, reports the New York Daily News.

The White Sox could look to deal the right-handed hitting third baseman, who hit 30 home runs in 2006, because Josh Fields appears ready to take over at third in Chicago.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Kyle Farnsworth
Yankees Orioles?
Tigers? O's targeting Farnsworth?
Nov 9 - Kyle Farnsworth is on the Orioles' offseason wish list as an option to replace either closer Chris Ray and setup man Danys Baez, who will both miss the 2008 season after having Tommy John surgery, reports the Baltimore Sun. Farnsworth could also draw interest from the Tigers, according to the New York Times and the Detroit Free Press.

[Kevin]

oops..

[HBox]

I'd like Tejada, at the right price of course. And the right price to me considering his salary and injury is none of the top 3 pitching prospects or Tabata. His most productive season came after steroids were banned and he has been incredibly durable, not missing any games due to injury until this year. I'd much rather him than Crede or just about any otehr available third baseman.

If Baltimore wants more, I'm more than comfortable passing too.

[cougarjake13]

I really don't like all this talk about Tejada. Francessa seems to like the idea, but I'm pretty sure he's an idiot.

Do we REALLY want another steroid guy? Another aging former star? He's not the same player he was 3-4 years ago (gee, I wonder why), and does it really make sense to give up youth like Melky for another potential Giambi? There's no doubt Tejada comes with steroid implications. I hate the idea. No thanks.

and he also hasnt played third base which should be a concern

[Bulldogcakes]

I'd like Tejada, at the right price of course. And the right price to me considering his salary and injury is none of the top 3 pitching prospects or Tabata. His most productive season came after steroids were banned and he has been incredibly durable, not missing any games due to injury until this year. I'd much rather him than Crede or just about any otehr available third baseman.

If Baltimore wants more, I'm more than comfortable passing too.

Yeah, I'm not going to dismiss the idea. Yes, he probably took steroids. Yes, he's coming off a down year. But you only have him for 2 years at 13 per and he's still only 31 years old. Even in a down year he still had a .800 OPS, which is good. He should out produce most of the other candidates even if he's slipping, and there's a good chance he's not slipping, he's just sick of losing in Baltimore every year and wants out.

But given his negatives, I'm not giving up much. No Hughes, Joba or Kennedy. No Tabata or Betances either. If they can't make a deal w/o those players, so be it.

BTW-I love Melky, but he might be getting more expendable every day. Austin Jackson is having a good winter ball season and is moving up the system fast. When next years prospects lists come out, he'll be near the top. 5 tool guy, projects much better than Melky does. Also, if he's not traded Brett Gardner will likely be brought up as a 4th OF sometime next year. No power, but as fast as Carl Crawford with excellent plate discipline. Was hitting .371 in Hawaii last time I looked, and hit .300/392 OBP in AA last year.

[Bulldogcakes]

Jeter saying what many Yankee fans have said since A-Rod left (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/)

Jeter on Rodriguez leaving: “There aren’t too many people in the game who can do what he does. But we’re trying to win. It takes more than one person to win. We’ve had teams that have won and not had numbers like that put up.”

[cougarjake13]

any one else hear about boras complaining that all the gm's and teams are in collusion against paying a rod the 350 mil ???

[Bulldogcakes]

Miguel Cabrera talks heating up (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

MLB.com's Joe Frisaro (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071109&content_id=2296796&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp&partnered=rss_mlb) says the Miguel Cabrera trade talks are heating up. As you know, Cabrera is under team control for the 2008 and 2009 seasons. He might become more enticing if the acquiring team can talk to his agent prior to completion of a trade, with a long-term contract in mind. As far as I can tell Cabrera is represented by Arn Tellem and Fernando Cuza currently.

Frisaro says the Angels and Dodgers are in the lead for Cabrera. The Yankees, White Sox, Indians, and Tigers are also in the mix. However this Paul Hoynes article seems to indicate the Indians are fading on Cabrera. And I think it's questionable whether the White Sox have the goods.

This has A-Rod implications. The team that loses out on Cabrera will likely be the leader in the A-Rod sweepsatkes. Also, A-Rod's bargaining position gets weaker as more teams fall by the wayside. It's becoming increasingly possible that he won't get 30 per, and its possible he won't even get the 27 he had if the Dodgers are the last man standing. McCourt has a rep for not spending money. If the Angels land Cabrera, Boras is left with a nightmare scenario of having the Dodgers almost bidding against themselves. Tigers already backed out, Giants have an awful team, Mets aren't serious.

[Doctor Z]

I hope A-Rod ends up with less than what the Yankees would've offered him, and is forced to play the duration of the 2008 season with sand in his vagina.

[Kevin]

I hope A-Rod ends up with less than what the Yankees would've offered him, and is forced to play the duration of the 2008 season with sand in his vagina.

Gm's at the Winter meeting were polled... And they said 20-25mil..

[Doctor Z]

I heard more like 40-50 mil*.



* mil = milograms of sand required to take the field.

[Kevin]

I heard more like 40-50 mil*.



* mil = milograms of sand required to take the field.

That.. will get into his vagina..

[Doctor Z]

NO! You caught my post before my brilliant edit!

[Kevin]

What??

[Bulldogcakes]

Gm's at the Winter meeting were polled... And they said 20-25mil..

How great would it be if he ends up on a lousy team (like the Giants) AND with a pay cut!

Boras couldn't have possibly anticipated the trade market. Nobody seems to think A-Rod should move back to SS at 32, and the 3B market dries up daily.

How about this scenario. Boras sees the market drying up, A-Rod looks like he's going to end up with a pay cut next year, he knows he has nowhere else to go so he . . . . ACCEPTS THE ARBITRATION DEAL WITH THE YANKEES.

:huh:

:blink:

:glurps:

:furious:

:wallbash:

:flush:

[Kevin]

How great would it be if he ends up on a lousy team (like the Giants) AND with a pay cut!

Boras couldn't have possibly anticipated the trade market. Nobody seems to think A-Rod should move back to SS at 32, and the 3B market dries up daily.

How about this scenario. Boras sees the market drying up, A-Rod looks like he's going to end up with a pay cut next year, he knows he has nowhere else to go so he . . . . ACCEPTS THE ARBITRATION DEAL WITH THE YANKEES.

:huh:

:blink:

:glurps:

:furious:

:wallbash:

:flush:

Can they pull back Arb if they don't want it?

[BoondockSaint]

Can they pull back Arb if they don't want it?

Who doesn't want Arby's?

[Kevin]

Who doesn't want Arby's?

Arod refuses to eat anything under 30million...

[Bossanova]

Can they pull back Arb if they don't want it?

I don't think they can

[HBox]

If he accepts arbitration thats one less hole to fill.

[Bulldogcakes]

Arod refuses to eat anything under 30million...

http://my.tbaytel.net/jmehagan/tours/mcvicarfarm/mcdonaldsign.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

Can they pull back Arb if they don't want it?


Kev, I'm sure Boras will decline arbitration. Here's something from Sherman's article a few days ago.

Teams have until Dec. 1 to offer arbitration to their own free agents, and players must accept or reject by Dec. 7. If the player accepts, he is deemed a signed player and would either negotiate a contract or have an arbitrator decide the outcome.

If a Type-A-rated player such as A-Rod rejects arbitration, the team losing the free agent is rewarded with the new signing team's first-round pick (as long as the signing team finished with one of the majors' 15 best records the year before) and a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds.

It is a very slim possibility that Rodriguez could accept the offer, in which case his agent would attempt to set a single-season salary record by asking for at least $30 million and possibly as much as $40 million.

But that would be viewed as Scott Boras/A-Rod failing to get the record multi-year deal they set out to score this offseason.

In addition, Rodriguez would lose such extra rights as his no-trade clause and, theoretically, could be dealt by the Yankees at any time.

If A-Rod accepted arbitration and the Yanks, thus, had exclusivity again with Rodriguez, it is conceivable the sides could try to negotiate a long-term deal.

I would guess they can pull it back until Dec 1st if they chose to do so. I would imagine Cashman will speak to Boras before to see what his intentions are.

[Bulldogcakes]

If he accepts arbitration thats one less hole to fill.

Derek Jeter is resigned to the fact that Alex Rodriguez's days as a Yankee seem over. And if so, he says the Bombers won't necessarily miss him.

Speaking at Joe Torre's annual Safe At Home Foundation gala last night at Chelsea Piers, Jeter pointed out that the Yankees' championship teams in the Torre era never had a 50-homer, 150-RBI player in the lineup.

"We're trying to win, but it takes more than one person. We've had teams that have won and we haven't had numbers like that put up, so you don't necessarily have to have those type of numbers in order to win."

I've been waiting to use that quote somewhere.

[HBox]

I've been waiting to use that quote somewhere.

Yes, I get it. The possibility exists that you can win the World Series without an A-Rod type player. I never disputed that. However, having a player like A-Rod makes you a better team. Having A-Rod for one more season rather than trading useful players for an inferior player will make this a better team.

[Bulldogcakes]

Yes, I get it. The possibility exists that you can win the World Series without an A-Rod type player. I never disputed that. However, having a player like A-Rod makes you a better team. Having A-Rod for one more season rather than trading useful players for an inferior player will make this a better team.

Actually, you don't get it. The late 90's teams were a cohesive group. They picked each other up, were happy to "pass the baton" to the next batter. It wasn't about any one individual, it was about TEAM. Thats the antithesis of what A-Rod is all about. I know some analysts will tell you "you can be selfish, it doesn't hurt the team" but I think you lose some of that clubhouse culture with Alex and his daily distractions. Its all about A-Rod, all the time. And his playoff struggles kill you with him in the 4 hole.

I can't argue the #s, he was great all year in 07. But there's also something to be said for NOT having a big star slugger in the middle of the lineup. When you have a big star, the team looks to him to carry them. If he doesn't, they go quietly. Just not their day. When you don't have a big star, it's everybody's job to pick each other up. Thats what Jeter was getting at. Chemistry is easy to dismiss, until you see one team that has it, and another that doesn't. The 96-2001 teams had it, the 2004-2007 teams haven't.

And yes those teams pitched better, but they hit better as well.

[Bulldogcakes]

The Most Amazing Stat You’ll Ever See
By Tyler Kepner (http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/yankees/)

“Since Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS — the night Boston began its epic comeback from three games down against the Yankees — (Alex) Rodriguez has come to the plate with 38 runners on base, over the span of 59 at-bats. He left every single one on base, going 0-for-27, right through the Yanks’ Division Series loss to Cleveland this month.”

I knew he was bad, I didn't realize he was THAT bad.

[Doctor Z]

"We're trying to win, but it takes more than one person. We've had teams that have won and we haven't had numbers like that put up, so you don't necessarily have to have those type of numbers in order to win."

Yeah, but those teams had great pitching, so sure, they didn't NEED a guy with A-Rod's numbers. Those teams had an ace going every night.

I'm sick of hearing about "Fuck A-Rod! We won with Scott Brosius!" No we didn't. We won with Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, David Wells, El Duque, and David Cone.

[Doctor Z]

And now we have...

Wang, ...3 rookies? ...broken down Mussina?

We're fucked.

[Bulldogcakes]

NoMaas offseason idea #4 -- Take Advantage of Joe Torre & Ned Colletti (http://www.nomaas.org/dodgers.html)



We all know there were “Joe’s Guys” that he trusted to the point of absurdity sometimes, and conversely there were those players that Joe didn’t trust enough and buried on the bench or in the bullpen. It got to the point where decisions were often based more on Torre’s personal relationship with a player and the comfort he had in knowing that His Guy would be giving 110% if he were placed in the game, than any blatant talent discrepancy between the choices or obvious matchup indicators.

The Yankees need to talk to Joe Torre.

Any move for Cabrera, Santana, or Peavy is going to require that Brian Cashman deal from the collection of young talent he has cultivated since gaining full power in the fall of 2005. While it is highly unlikely that he moves Hughes or Chamberlain, a deal for one of the established stars will require multiple selections from a group of Kennedy, Horne, Tabata, Jackson, Montero, Sanchez, Melancon, etc. While a deal like that could conceivably still be worth it, the Yankees should do whatever they can to improve the talent and flexibility of their roster, without trading any of those guys. Joe Torre is the key to doing so.

according to recent comments by Cashman, Johnny Damon is seen as the club’s everyday LF. This leaves Jason Giambi and Hideki Matsui to compete for the starting DH role, and given that they will make upwards of $30 million combined in 2008, that’s not an ideal use of resources. This is where Torre comes in, and where the Yankees need to play on his pathological loyalty.

Previously Dodger’s GM Ned Colletti has been reluctant to trade away any of the young studs in his organization, and guys like Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, James Loney, Adam LaRoche, Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton have all reached the Majors and shown the ability to stick around for years to come. However, a manager like Torre isn’t brought aboard to build slowly – he’s hired to win, and do so relatively quickly. To do this the Dodgers are going to have to address the two major issues outlined earlier, and the Yankees have exactly what they are looking for: Hideki Matsui.

Thats just crazy enough to work. Matsui to the Dodgers. I love it.

[Kevin]

And now we have...

Wang, ...3 rookies? ...broken down Mussina?

We're fucked.

We WILL have Johan Wang 2 rookies and Andy( Onces he sees Johan here, he will deem it worth coming back) So we WILL be fine..

[TheGameHHH]

First off, its a foregone conclusion the Yanks will offer A-rod arbitration, simply because they want those picks....who doesn't? Secondly, there's not a chance in hell A-Rod accepts arbitration. Boras is not in this to go before an arbitrator, neither is A-Rod. It's about making as much money as possible, thats not provided in arbitration. Third, just like Z pointed out above me.....we're fucked next year in terms of pitching.

[TheGameHHH]

We WILL have Johan Wang 2 rookies and Andy( Onces he sees Johan here, he will deem it worth coming back) So we WILL be fine..

if i didnt actually like you, i would try and find a way to alert spoon of this post just so i could see him go on a tear. edit that shit, it makes you sound pompous.

[Kevin]

if i didnt actually like you, i would try and find a way to alert spoon of this post just so i could see him go on a tear. edit that shit, it makes you sound pompous.

Its not being Pompous.. We want Santana and we have the tools to get him.. How is that being pompous?? I am not saying we will get him for nothing.. THATS being pompous.. I understand we have up one of rooks(Not Joba), Melky, and prob at least another good prospect..

[Doctor Z]

What??

Well played.

[TheGameHHH]

Its not being Pompous.. We want Santana and we have the tools to get him.. How is that being pompous?? I am not saying we will get him for nothing.. THATS being pompous.. I understand we have up one of rooks(Not Joba), Melky, and prob at least another good prospect..

I don't know man, it just comes off as an attitude like......'well, since we need X then let's just go out and get the best X available. after all, we're the Yankees and can do whatever we want.' am i the only fan opposed to maybe taking our lumps for a few years until we watch our farm develop, then seeing if we have the tools to go to war? all these high powered signings and trades have lead us nowhere since the off-season of 2001, maybe its time to forget all that shit and develop from within. i'm not saying i wanna throw a team of bums out there and not compete, but it's apparent we have young talent that could be a few years away from being truly special.

[Kevin]

I don't know man, it just comes off as an attitude like......'well, since we need X then let's just go out and get the best X available. after all, we're the Yankees and can do whatever we want.' am i the only fan opposed to maybe taking our lumps for a few years until we watch our farm develop, then seeing if we have the tools to go to war? all these high powered signings and trades have lead us nowhere since the off-season of 2001, maybe its time to forget all that shit and develop from within. i'm not saying i wanna throw a team of bums out there and not compete, but it's apparent we have young talent that could be a few years away from being truly special.

I would agree 100% with your argument.. If Johan was like 33 34.. Johan is 28.. Sox dealt big guys for Beckett (27) They dealt a stud 23 year old SS, plus a SP who has a ton of talent and pitched a perfecto last year.. How has that worked for the Sox?? I am not saying deal all 3... If you can deal 1 for a 28 year old pitcher like Johan.. You have to do it.. I am not saying he is coming just because we are the Yankees.. I am saying he is coming because we have what it takes to get him.. You gotta have a n ace.. esp with youngsters.. Can you imagine what joba would be if he learns the change up from Johan?? Or Hughes? You have to have a nice blend of youngsters and vets..

[TheGameHHH]

I would agree 100% with your argument.. If Johan was like 33 34.. Johan is 28.. Sox dealt big guys for Beckett (27) They dealt a stud 23 year old SS, plus a SP who has a ton of talent and pitched a perfecto last year.. How has that worked for the Sox?? I am not saying deal all 3... If you can deal 1 for a 28 year old pitcher like Johan.. You have to do it.. I am not saying he is coming just because we are the Yankees.. I am saying he is coming because we have what it takes to get him.. You gotta have a n ace.. esp with youngsters.. Can you imagine what joba would be if he learns the change up from Johan?? Or Hughes? You have to have a nice blend of youngsters and vets..

who did the Sox deal to get Beckett?? i honestly don't even know. All I know is in that deal the Marlins insisted that the Sox take Lowell off their hands because they thought he was useless. He's now the hottest 3B free agent this off-season (fuck A-rod cause he might go back to short). Look, i would love to have Santana.....you would be an absolute fool to think otherwise. the only thing i took issue with in the beginning was the whole, 'we WILL have him' comment. and youre right, we do have the tools to get him i guess. but there isn't a person in the entire league i would trade Joba for. i see the potential in all three of those kids to become great pitchers, so why trade 1 or 2 of them away when they're younger then Johan and have the potential to become excellent pitchers?

[HBox]

who did the Sox deal to get Beckett?? i honestly don't even know. All I know is in that deal the Marlins insisted that the Sox take Lowell off their hands because they thought he was useless. He's now the hottest 3B free agent this off-season (fuck A-rod cause he might go back to short). Look, i would love to have Santana.....you would be an absolute fool to think otherwise. the only thing i took issue with in the beginning was the whole, 'we WILL have him' comment. and youre right, we do have the tools to get him i guess. but there isn't a person in the entire league i would trade Joba for. i see the potential in all three of those kids to become great pitchers, so why trade 1 or 2 of them away when they're younger then Johan and have the potential to become excellent pitchers?

They dealt Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez. Sanchez pitched a perfect game last year but was injured most of this year. Hanley Ramirez is already the best shortstop in the NL.

[Kevin]

who did the Sox deal to get Beckett?? i honestly don't even know. All I know is in that deal the Marlins insisted that the Sox take Lowell off their hands because they thought he was useless. He's now the hottest 3B free agent this off-season (fuck A-rod cause he might go back to short). Look, i would love to have Santana.....you would be an absolute fool to think otherwise. the only thing i took issue with in the beginning was the whole, 'we WILL have him' comment. and youre right, we do have the tools to get him i guess. but there isn't a person in the entire league i would trade Joba for. i see the potential in all three of those kids to become great pitchers, so why trade 1 or 2 of them away when they're younger then Johan and have the potential to become excellent pitchers?

Hanley Ramirez 2006 ROY

And this past years
AVG .332 | HR 29 | RBI 81 | OBP .386 | SLG .562Anib 51 sb

Anibel Sanchez This year he was hurt.. But last year he was 10-3 with a 2.84 era

2 pretty damn good young players.. Yea, they took Lowell.. But Lowell is PERFECT for fenway.. I honestly do not think he is as good in any other park..

They Also got Jesus Delgado Who had Tommy John, but still has a ton of talent..

Thats a lot to give.. But the sox would do that deal again..

And your just simply not getting the fact that i think that we will get Johan because we haVE the most to give.. Just like the Sox had the best deal for Beckett.. They targeted him and they got him.. Texas wanted him, just as bad.. But didn't have what the Sox had.. And your main word is "Could" become great pithcers.. Johan is.. Beckett is and was at the time.. You have a chance to get an ace.. esp a lefty.. You do it.. And its not just the 3 we have in our farm.. We have a pretty good amount of other high prospects that we can give..

[TheGameHHH]

Hanley Ramirez 2006 ROY

And this past years
AVG .332 | HR 29 | RBI 81 | OBP .386 | SLG .562Anib 51 sb

Anibel Sanchez This year he was hurt.. But last year he was 10-3 with a 2.84 era

2 pretty damn good young players.. Yea, they took Lowell.. But Lowell is PERFECT for fenway.. I honestly do not think he is as good in any other park..

They Also got Jesus Delgado Who had Tommy John, but still has a ton of talent..

Thats a lot to give.. But the sox would do that deal again..

And your just simply not getting the fact that i think that we will get Johan because we haVE the most to give.. Just like the Sox had the best deal for Beckett.. They targeted him and they got him.. Texas wanted him, just as bad.. But didn't have what the Sox had.. And your main word is "Could" become great pithcers.. Johan is.. Beckett is and was at the time.. You have a chance to get an ace.. esp a lefty.. You do it.. And its not just the 3 we have in our farm.. We have a pretty good amount of other high prospects that we can give..

Yea, Hanley is an absolute stud. And the most I know about Anibal Sanchez is how he's doing for the L.A. Dodgers in the year 2014 on my PSP (I pulled an A-Rod and opted out of my Yankees deal for more money and a chance to win an MVP/World Series in the N.L.) though I gotta admit Sanchez is a stud in my game. You're absolutely right, that was a lot for the Sox to give up and it worked out perfectly for them. Now throw in the fact that Johan is a lefty and you really can't pass the deal up. Hopefully it works out for the Yanks the same way it did for the Sox, if not i'm gonna cry.

[Doctor Z]

So I just took my first legit look at Santana's numbers (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=276371&statType=2), and I'm a little shaky on a few things...

He's coming off his lowest win total (15) since 2003, his highest loss total (13) EVER, his highest ERA (3.33) EVER, his highest hits total (183) EVER [give or take 3 or 4 hits], most earned runs (88) EVER, most home runs allowed (31) EVER, and the second-highest BB total (52) of his career.

Umm... wow. I'm having some second thoughts here.

Do we really wanna sell the farm for this guy? 2007 was quite frankly the the worst year of his career.

[Kevin]

So I just took my first legit look at Santana's numbers (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=276371&statType=2), and I'm a little shaky on a few things...

He's coming off his lowest win total (15) since 2003, his highest loss total (13) EVER, his highest ERA (3.33) EVER, his highest hits total (183) EVER [give or take 3 or 4 hits], most earned runs (88) EVER, most home runs allowed (31) EVER, and the second-highest BB total (52) of his career.

Umm... wow. I'm having some second thoughts here.

Do we really wanna sell the farm for this guy? 2007 was quite frankly the the worst year of his career.

Pitchers have down years.. And thats still a pretty good year.. But yea, i he had a down year..

[HBox]

Beckett had a horrible year last year by anyone's standards and we all saw what he did this year.

[Kevin]

Beckett had a horrible year last year by anyone's standards and we all saw what he did this year.

Good point..

[TheGameHHH]

Beckett had a horrible year last year by anyone's standards and we all saw what he did this year.

the only difference is we know Beckett can show up in October (especially the World Series) and be big. Santana is 1-3 with an ERA right around 4.00 in October. While Beckett is 12-4 with an ERA close to 2.00

[Doctor Z]

Beckett came to the Red Sox having already BEATEN THE YANKEES in the World Series. The guy was post-season gold from the get-go. Another thing that cannot be said about Santana.

[HBox]

Santana's first year as a full time starter was 2004. Since then in the postseason he has 20IP, 19 H, 20K, 5 BB, and 3ER. He's only had one bad game as a starter in the postseason. And that was Game 4 in 2003, on short rest and after he had left Game 1 with an injury after 4 scoreless innings. His supposed postseason struggles are greatly exaggerated.

[TheMojoPin]

Santana's "down year" was still very, very good. It's not like he got lit up. And giving as much stock to post-season performances as much as some of you do in terms of dictating the team's approach for the other 162 games of the year is beyond ridiculous.

[Kevin]

Santana's "down year" was still very, very good. It's not like he got lit up. And giving as much stock to post-season performances as much as some of you do in terms of dictating the team's approach for the other 162 games of the year is beyond ridiculous.

Simply put Mojo.. We are all spoiled.. And its natural.. You can not really understand that, because you are not used to what we are used to.. And another thing.. Your franchise is not deeply hated like ours.. It angers the shit out of us when we see utter joy when we lose.. Alot of it is because we are spoiled and we are hated.. So when we lose.. And see all of that joy, with our expense.. we loath it.. And We base our whole season to try and prevent that.. Thats the way i feel..

[TheMojoPin]

Simply put Mojo.. We are all spoiled.. And its natural.. You can not really understand that, because you are not used to what we are used to.. And another thing.. Your franchise is not deeply hated like ours.. It angers the shit out of us when we see utter joy when we lose.. Alot of it is because we are spoiled and we are hated.. So when we lose.. And see all of that joy, with our expense.. we loath it.. And We base our whole season to try and prevent that.. Thats the way i feel..

Sure, but it still doesn't make any sense. It's not like the Yankees haven't had really shitty seasons. Focusing so much on the postseason performance and essentially casting aside the previous 6 months is just nonsense. Fortunately, your front office doesn't seem to do that.

[sailor]

You gotta have a n ace.

that's racist!

[Bulldogcakes]

Hanley Ramirez 2006 ROY

And this past years
AVG .332 | HR 29 | RBI 81 | OBP .386 | SLG .562Anib 51 sb

Anibel Sanchez This year he was hurt.. But last year he was 10-3 with a 2.84 era

2 pretty damn good young players.. Yea, they took Lowell.. But Lowell is PERFECT for fenway.. I honestly do not think he is as good in any other park..

They Also got Jesus Delgado Who had Tommy John, but still has a ton of talent..

Thats a lot to give.. But the sox would do that deal again..

Not only that, there were rumors all over the place when the trade happened (and before) about Beckett's health. It was said that the Sox doctors told them that Beckett has 4-5 good years left before his shoulder goes. And they still made that deal, because they needed him. Plus they probably figured he'd be a free agent by the time it happens.


And your just simply not getting the fact that i think that we will get Johan because we have the most to give.. Just like the Sox had the best deal for Beckett.. They targeted him and they got him.. Texas wanted him, just as bad.. But didn't have what the Sox had.. And your main word is "Could" become great pitchers.. Johan is.. Beckett is and was at the time.. You have a chance to get an ace.. esp a lefty.. You do it.. And its not just the 3 we have in our farm.. We have a pretty good amount of other high prospects that we can give..

We wanted Beckett too, but didn't have a good enough package at the time to get him. Now we have plenty even past the big 3 starters, many of whom there's no way we'll ever use at the major league level. If the Yanks want to, they could beat out any package from any team other than the Angels or Dodgers, who have farms rated higher overall than the Yanks (although the Yanks system was #1 in pitching last year).

Plus, when we trade Matsui to the Dodgers we'll have even more. :wink:

[Bulldogcakes]

PAVANO ERROR NEARING END (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11112007/sports/yankees/pavano_error_nearing_end_581112.htm)

The four-year, $39.95 million contract the Yankees gave Carl Pavano was a turkey. Fittingly, he probably will be an ex-Yankee by Thanksgiving.

There is a strong likelihood the Yanks will release Pavano before Nov. 20 so that they can use his 40-man roster spot for a player valuable to their future. Each team's 40-man roster must be set by that date in preparation for the Rule V draft on Dec. 6 at the Winter Meetings.

Wow. He's not even worth a roster spot to them at this point. Makes sense, though. Coming off Tommy John (which the Yanks felt he didn't even need) he has little chance of being useful to them next year. If it was anyone worth a rats fat ass, you might figure they use him out of the bullpen late next year. But this is Pavano. They'll end up eating the last year year of his contract at 10 mil rather than waste a spot on the 40 man roster. Plus, it tells you how much they have in the farm system that they want to protect.

Pavano may have had some value, however. He may have finally convinced George to let Cashman go forward with his rebuilding of the farm system. Pavano was one of many attempts the Yanks made to "get younger" all of which (Weaver/Vasquez/Jaret Wright) failed miserably. The farm system has since been totally rebuilt around pitching and the bonuses given out when spread out annually are still less than Pavano's 10 million dollar black hole.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I come in peace, really.
Three questions/ points I want to get your opinions on.
1. My father in law, big Yankee's fan was trying to egg me on last night about the Yanks picking up Lowell. It's pretty much the only topic up here on the radio, especially with the bye week. I look at all the Yanks blogs you all do and I really don't hear much about Lowell coming from down here. Granted he isn't the player A-rod is, but he's only a year older. My question is what is your view on the Yankees pulling a Damon and taking Lowell.
2. Why after all the crap that went down with Torre and the Yankees would Torre take an over-the-hill outfielder/DH of the Yankee's hands. Also would the Yanks loose their Japanese advertising revenue if he leaves.
3. Lot of talk here about Santana as well. But as noted this guy doesn't particularly perform well in the postseason, and do you think that he'd be able to survive in the media insanity that is NY/Boston? Buchholz, Lester, and Crisp is what the offer would have to start at up here, and last I checked he's young but Lester already has more WS experience and success that Santana has.

[Kevin]

I come in peace, really.
Three questions/ points I want to get your opinions on.
1. My father in law, big Yankee's fan was trying to egg me on last night about the Yanks picking up Lowell. It's pretty much the only topic up here on the radio, especially with the bye week. I look at all the Yanks blogs you all do and I really don't hear much about Lowell coming from down here. Granted he isn't the player A-rod is, but he's only a year older. My question is what is your view on the Yankees pulling a Damon and taking Lowell.

2. Why after all the crap that went down with Torre and the Yankees would Torre take an over-the-hill outfielder/DH of the Yankee's hands. Also would the Yanks loose their Japanese advertising revenue if he leaves.

3. Lot of talk here about Santana as well. But as noted this guy doesn't particularly perform well in the postseason, and do you think that he'd be able to survive in the media insanity that is NY/Boston? Buchholz, Lester, and Crisp is what the offer would have to start at up here, and last I checked he's youngbut Lester already has more WS experience and success that Santana has.


1: I kinda think most of the league views Lowell as a Fenway product player.. He is perfect for that park.. I do not even think he would be much of a thought, if he was not a Redsox.

2: Yes.. Because Torre has always put loyalty over logic.. If he like you, your in no matter what..

3: Boxy pointed out the misconception of his "playoff struggle" Perfect.. And plus.. He did not face a done Rockie team like Lester did.. Comparing the two is just ridiculous.. And i think most latin players are so layed back and love the game so much, that do not care where they play..

[Kevin]

that's racist!

http://reid.mlblogs.com/scoreboard_26_6/images/midp13807130259_3.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

I come in peace, really.
Three questions/ points I want to get your opinions on.
1. My father in law, big Yankee's fan was trying to egg me on last night about the Yanks picking up Lowell. It's pretty much the only topic up here on the radio, especially with the bye week. I look at all the Yanks blogs you all do and I really don't hear much about Lowell coming from down here. Granted he isn't the player A-rod is, but he's only a year older. My question is what is your view on the Yankees pulling a Damon and taking Lowell.
2. Why after all the crap that went down with Torre and the Yankees would Torre take an over-the-hill outfielder/DH of the Yankee's hands. Also would the Yanks loose their Japanese advertising revenue if he leaves.
3. Lot of talk here about Santana as well. But as noted this guy doesn't particularly perform well in the postseason, and do you think that he'd be able to survive in the media insanity that is NY/Boston? Buchholz, Lester, and Crisp is what the offer would have to start at up here, and last I checked he's young but Lester already has more WS experience and success that Santana has.

1-Yanks won't get Lowell. He's a product of Fenway park. Many of his hits would be outs at Yankee stadium.
2-You're right about the extra $$. Plus Matsui has a no-trade clause, although if the Yanks approached him about a trade I don't see him standing in the way. Anyway, I'm half kidding about that one. I'd like to see it, but don't expect to.
3-I don't know what Johan's personality is like, he has pitched well in the post season, and yes you guys would need to offer either Lester or Bucholtz plus Ellsbury to match a Yank offer of Melky-Kennedy. I think it will come down to that, and the Yanks have more to add for a third player than the Sox do. Mets a distant 3rd place finish. Yanks get Johan.

Think that covers it.

[Kevin]

Plus i think the Yanks are tierd of getting beat by the Sox for a big pitcher.. They got beat with Pedro, Beckett, and to a lesser extent, Shilling.. I only say lesser because they could have beaten the Sox for Schill but wanted to go younger with Vasquez..

[TheGameHHH]

Plus i think the Yanks are tierd of getting beat by the Sox for a big pitcher.. They got beat with Pedro, Beckett, and to a lesser extent, Shilling.. I only say lesser because they could have beaten the Sox for Schill but wanted to go younger with Vasquez..

and dice-K

[underdog]

Plus i think the Yanks are tierd of getting beat by the Sox for a big pitcher.. They got beat with Pedro, Beckett, and to a lesser extent, Shilling.. I only say lesser because they could have beaten the Sox for Schill but wanted to go younger with Vasquez..

But the Yankees beat the Red Sox for a lot of great pitchers, like Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Javier Vasquez, Carl Pavano, and Contreras.

Maybe you guys don't want to beat the Red Sox for pitching. Doesn't seem to be working out so well.

[A.J.]

Beckett had a horrible year last year by anyone's standards and we all saw what he did this year.

Which I hope is the case with Dice-K next year.

[Bulldogcakes]

Boras/Alex photoshop

http://www.nomaas.org/images/boraspimp_arodho.jpg
The pimp and his bitch

[Bulldogcakes]

Posada Likely to Return to Yankees (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/sports/baseball/12posada.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

Standing on the court of Madison Square Garden during the halftime break of the Knicks’ game against the Miami Heat, Posada, the Yankees catcher, said he was “really close” to signing a new contract.

When asked if the chances that he would return to the Yankees were better than 50-50, Posada said: “Yes. Right now it’s up in the air, but the chances are good.”

The Yankees have exclusive rights to Posada until tomorrow, when he is free to sign with any team.

Asked about negotiating a contract with another team, Posada said, “I don’t know if we’re going to get that chance.”

Mo is said to be ready to sign as well. Good news. Now we need to talk to Andy, then go get some front line pitching.

[Bulldogcakes]

Speaking of front line pitchers, here's a list of who is rumored to be available

Johan Santana
Dan Haren
Scott Kazmir
Eric Bedard
Ben Sheets
CC Sabathia
Dontrelle Willis


Its like a whose who of league aces. Yanks should be able to land one, possibly even two depending on who they're willing to part with.

[sailor]

Posada Likely to Return to Yankees (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/sports/baseball/12posada.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)



Mo is said to be ready to sign as well. Good news. Now we need to talk to Andy, then go get some front line pitching.

i thought mariano signed last week.

[Bulldogcakes]

Posada, Mo going free agent (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/)

Oh well, so much for Posada's bullshit last night

[TheGameHHH]

Posada, Mo going free agent (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/)

Oh well, so much for Posada's bullshit last night

they both said they were gonna test free agency, Posada said he'd like to remain with the Yankees. I'm having a hard time figuring out why what he said last night would be bullshit.

[Kevin]

they both said they were gonna test free agency, Posada said he'd like to remain with the Yankees. I'm having a hard time figuring out why what he said last night would be bullshit.

I think its basicaly the same thing with Lowell and the Sox.. They both want 4.. But the teams want 3.. I just think both players realize that the best situtation to be, is with their teams..

[Kevin]

they both said they were gonna test free agency, Posada said he'd like to remain with the Yankees. I'm having a hard time figuring out why what he said last night would be bullshit.

I think its basicaly the same thing with Lowell and the Sox.. They both want 4.. But the teams want 3.. I just think both players realize that the best situtation to be, is with their teams..

Mo i kinda think is a little more pissed at the Yanks for breakin down and wanting to talk to Arod midseason.. And not doing it with him..He wont go anywhere, but he will make the Yanks sweat a little

[Bulldogcakes]

they both said they were gonna test free agency, Posada said he'd like to remain with the Yankees. I'm having a hard time figuring out why what he said last night would be bullshit.

"I would like to stay with the Yankees. My heart is with the Yankees, so hopefully we can get something done."

Does he want to stay with Yankees? “That would be the first choice, yes.”


Are you in the driver’s seat? “Yeah. Yeah. We’re really close. It’s not about the money. For me, it’s the best situation.”

On Joe Girardi: “I love Joe. You know, Joe’s like a big brother to me. He’s been a big brother to me since like ‘96, so hopefully I’m hopefully looking forward to working with him.”

Are chances better than 50-50 you’ll be a Yankee? “Yes. Right now it’s up in the air, but the chances are good.”

*sniff* *sniff* What's that smell in here? Does somebody own a bull?