2008 New York Yankees Thread

[Doctor Z]

My friend who is in Denver for business just called me and told me that he's in a Sox bar in Denver... and people are chanting "Yankees Suck"...

No matter where you go, they might very well be the dumbest fans in sports.

[Crippler]

Does anybody know what Greg Nettles is up to these days?

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[JPMNICK]

Signing Bonds as a DH would help. A LOT.

i am not sure if you are serious, but i agree. I think he would replace arod's presense at the plate, and for 10 million a year cheaper than arod would. plus he would not have to play the field

[ralphbxny]

Scott Boras is a kid toucher and Pabelbons mama dont dance and his daddy dont rock n roll!!

[Kevin]

Bingo.

The recent Yankee teams have been bully offensive teams. They beat the piss out of KC and can't win a one run game against good pitchers. In the playoffs, you face a lot of good pitchers. Thats a big reason why they've lost.
They have BECOME the teams they used to beat (late 90's Texas/CLE/Bosox) Murderers row lineups with suspect pitching staffs. Time to change the formula.


I would be devastated if we won at least 1 title with this guy.. And i am not saying he was the whole problem.. Just part of a cycle and system that needs to be stopped. A lineup with no urgency.. If i don't do it, the next guy will pick me up.. And so on and so on.. By the time you knew it.. The 8th guy is up.. Any decent pitcher would shit us down.. The Redsox didn't get on this run until they signed Schilling.. (last time i checked... Pitcher) Now Beckett(pitcher) Dice K, Oki, Lester from the farm, Paps from the farm.. (Pitchers) People see 04 as Yankee choke.. It was part of that.. But a HUGE part was that the Bosox pitched GREAT from game 3 on. And timely hitting.. I am tired of what has gone on, period.. And thats all i will say on this matter..

[BoondockSaint]

i am not sure if you are serious, but i agree. I think he would replace arod's presense at the plate, and for 10 million a year cheaper than arod would. plus he would not have to play the field

And then Dave can do an "Old Friends" segment on him and Giambi.

[Kevin]

My friend who is in Denver for business just called me and told me that he's in a Sox bar in Denver... and people are chanting "Yankees Suck"...

No matter where you go, they might very well be the dumbest fans in sports.

Boston fans have 2 passions

1 Yankees and a distant 2nd The Redsox..

[TheMojoPin]

i am not sure if you are serious, but i agree. I think he would replace arod's presense at the plate, and for 10 million a year cheaper than arod would. plus he would not have to play the field

I was dead serious. Lefty hitter that still rakes. Hitting DH, I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up another 40-50 HR's.

[Doogie]

I dont know if anyone discussed this already, but Boras is fucking smart for opting out when he did. Right when the Sox were on the precipice of winning the World Series to make this announcement. This is why this guy makes the big bucks, he knows how to tug on the purse strings of teams at just the right moment.

[Kevin]

I dont know if anyone discussed this already, but Boras is fucking smart for opting out when he did. Right when the Sox were on the precipice of winning the World Series to make this announcement. This is why this guy makes the big bucks, he knows how to tug on the purse strings of teams at just the right moment.

No one can negotiate with him until mid November.. So its a pointless argument..

[Doogie]

No one can negotiate with him until mid November.. So its a pointless argument..

The point was that he took away the story from the Sox and put the focus mainly on A-Rod. Especially considering how anti-climactic the world series was. And yes, no one can negotiate with him till mid-November, which gives owners time to find out how much they want him/can afford him. Like or hate him, A-Rod is a guy who brings people to ballparks. And now that the season is over the analysis of teams on how they can improve begins, and hence by mid-November they will have an answer to the A-Rod dilema.

Hence why Boras is a smart guy.

[Kevin]

The point was that he took away the story from the Sox and put the focus mainly on A-Rod. Especially considering how anti-climactic the world series was. And yes, no one can negotiate with him till mid-November, which gives owners time to find out how much they want him/can afford him. Like or hate him, A-Rod is a guy who brings people to ballparks. And now that the season is over the analysis of teams on how they can improve begins, and hence by mid-November they will have an answer to the A-Rod dilema.

Hence why Boras is a smart guy.

The teams that are going to go after him were going to go after him no matter what.. It not like he is going to get new teams because of this.. Teams have been gearing up to go after him since the year began.. Everyone knew he was opting out, its not like this is shocking.

Fallon just told me That Jerry Remy (Sox announcer) is Pissed at Arod for doing this.. He see's it as a classless move.. It could have waited a few days..

[Fallon]

My friend who is in Denver for business just called me and told me that he's in a Sox bar in Denver... and people are chanting "Yankees Suck"...

No matter where you go, they might very well be the dumbest fans in sports.
My friend was working the Bruins game on Saturday and a few minutes in of Bergeron laying on the ice unconscious a lot of fans started chanting that. Fucking idiots.

[Snacks]

Signing Bonds as a DH would help. A LOT.

I said this a month ago and every "yankee" fan went nuts.

The yankees need to sign him, he will be a beast in that stadium. If he DH's and stays healthy he will hit 40 HR's easily next year. I will be the first to buy his jersey.

[joeyballsack]

The teams that are going to go after him were going to go after him no matter what.. It not like he is going to get new teams because of this.. Teams have been gearing up to go after him since the year began.. Everyone knew he was opting out, its not like this is shocking.

Fallon just told me That Jerry Remy (Sox announcer) is Pissed at Arod for doing this.. He see's it as a classless move.. It could have waited a few days..


How is ARod/Boras any worse than what the Yankees have done since they got booted out of the playoffs ? They have been trying to steal Red Sox thunder for two weeks now.

I always thought there was a gentlemens rule in baseball to not conduct this type of business during Hall of Fame week and World Series time. Am I wrong in that thinking ?

[spoon]

I think this is bullshit. The Yankees didn't even offer their deal to A-Rod yet. How the fuck can you choose to opt until you hear the deal? Unless, of course, A-Rod hates New York.

Or knows that people like Mo, Posada and Petite aren't coming back either. I'm sure they all talk and perhaps he sees rebuilding in the works for NYC. We know jack shit on the situation until he states his points and reasons. But based on the fact that yank fans jumped on this so quickly and viciously, I contend they couldn't wait to hate him again. How much longer will Jeter hit into DPs and make errors at SS and get gold gloves for nothing!? How much does he make again? Who's more worth it moving forward, feelings put aside?

[spoon]

This is why I think this is BS:


Boras wouldn't opt-out now unless he had an offer in his pocket, which means that there's tampering going on.

Boras is greedy, but he's not stupid. If A-Rod's opting out and signs really quickly, there's a problem.


I agree on the tampering thing and bet it's been going on with Boras since mid season as reports have surfaced in Chicago (Cubs) a few times. If he goes there (and I be he doesn't officially sign anywhere quick based on hinding this tampering) in the end, I bet it was all but signed during the season or at least WS.

[spoon]

Name me the teams that can afford to give him 25mil let alone 30+.. Boston (which i hope happens) Us.(We are out) Not Anahiem.. Maybe Cubs, but will they get their ownership in tact before hand?

Sorry, a lot of teams would take a $20-$30 million dollar flyer on this guy. He's a once in a lifetime type talent. And let's face, he'll also put people in the seats even on a bad team. Sorry, I can name a ton of teams that may take a shot. However, I bet he's going to Chicago (Cubs) to play with old friend and manager. They'll lease the city to bring him there. Second guess would be LA Angels and he'd fit in there quick. Third is a long shot, Boston. I think they realize what Lowell means to the team and they'll meet in the middle in contract negotiations. Lowell also realizes his place in Boston, and what that green monster does for his game. My guess is 3 year deal for Lowell to stay in Boston. But Arod back at SS in Boston would still be an option too. And don't rule out NYY just yet.

[Doctor Z]

In an effort to not be caught bluffing, the Yankees will announce the firing of Brian Cashman tomorrow morning, give A-Rod $30m/yr for 8 years, and hire Terry Bradshaw as the team's new manager.

I'm calling it right now.

[Kevin]

Pretty decent Olny Arod artical (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=3084735)

[spoon]

And the yanks wouldn't have gone nearly as far as they did without him. Right now Jeter is the biggest right handed power threat this team has.

I'd rather have A-Rod and get to the playoffs than watch a "young and scrappy" team go 81-81.

And once again I'm reminded why I actually value Hbox's opinion on the yanks and sports. Everyone else here are just acting like Arod did nothing for this team and isn't an important piece moving forward. Quite simply, you can't lose him and be better. And how will this effect the other signings or Mo, Posada, and Petite. Will Pavano be pissed off by him being allowed to go!? That last one was a joke.

[Kevin]

Sorry, a lot of teams would take a $20-$30 million dollar flyer on this guy. He's a once in a lifetime type talent. And let's face, he'll also put people in the seats even on a bad team. Sorry, I can name a ton of teams that may take a shot. However, I bet he's going to Chicago (Cubs) to play with old friend and manager. They'll lease the city to bring him there. Second guess would be LA Angels and he'd fit in there quick. Third is a long shot, Boston. I think they realize what Lowell means to the team and they'll meet in the middle in contract negotiations. Lowell also realizes his place in Boston, and what that green monster does for his game. My guess is 3 year deal for Lowell to stay in Boston. But Arod back at SS in Boston would still be an option too. And don't rule out NYY just yet.


Good points on the other teams Spoony..

But i do not think the Yanks are a possibility anymore.. Not the way he did this.. He basically shoved it in their faces.. He could have met with them and said we couldn't agree, but we can talk more when i am a F.A.. Instead of jumping right out of the chute saying F U (Werepanda's) If he did that then maybe the Yanks would get into it.. I just do not feel they will after the way he did it.. And i don't think he wants to stay here..

[spoon]

Tom Hicks must be having a party right now. A $21 million party.

GREAT point! I should send him a loan request now while the gettin is good.


This will surely put Texas in the game for FAs this offseason.

[spoon]

Yeah, I'm sure Lowell is just dying to get off that championship team that plays in a ballpark MADE for righties.

Again, thanks to H and Z I don't hate all yank fans. Logic as Mojo put it is dead on!

[JPMNICK]

And once again I'm reminded why I actually value Hbox's opinion on the yanks and sports. Everyone else here are just acting like Arod did nothing for this team and isn't an important piece moving forward. Quite simply, you can't lose him and be better. And how will this effect the other signings or Mo, Posada, and Petite. Will Pavano be pissed off by him being allowed to go!? That last one was a joke.

i think you can lose him and be better. if you took that money he was making and put it into a real #1 starter and a good defensive 3b who hits .285, you will be a better team just on run differential. a pitcher who does not give up 6+ does not need a team behind him to score 9+ to get the win.

on the same note, i agree he is a once in a life time player, and no matter what it will be cool when I have kids to be able to tell them about how we got to see Arod play for the Yanks. i think he will have Joe D and Mickey Mantle legacy in terms of baseball, not necessarily with the Yankees.

[JPMNICK]

there is no way the Yanks make him an offer after what he did. not even going in for a face to face meeting will have a lot of people pissed off.

some where right now, Derick Jeter is popping a bottle of champage

[spoon]

Sorry to break it to Yankee haters..

But this team is starting to be run like they were run when George got banned.. Smart spending scouting.. Building... Let him go... If we dont win next year eh.. fine This new regime lead by Cashman, is very smart. This team will be on top with a much less payroll in no time.. I mean look how they built their farm.. From bottom 5 to top 5 in 3 years.. Its going continue to build.. And haters wont have their have their payroll battle cry anymore.. Let Arod go where he wants. He can shit in his hat. Like i said in my previous post.. Clean house.. Giambi after this year, Matsui.. etc.. I don't even want Posada or Rivera signd.. Move on.. I will take losing for a year or 2 if it means this team is being run well and being set for up another run.. Its time for change.. This spending has not worked and will not work.


So Kev, just how do you turn a farm system around so drastically in three years with almost the last pick in every round of the draft and a million trades giving up talent for aging all stars? Hmmmmm huge $$$$$$ thrown international prospects which most other teams just can't do. I read an article a few months back addressing this very topic which stated that the draft is useless these days overall based on how many players come from outside it and it isn't fair to our own kids/players. It also stated that it kills the reason for the draft all together allowing top teams to get better players then those teams that finish at the bottom each year. It also stated averages spent in this area and the gap here is worse then total MLB salaries. Nice try Kev.

[Doctor Z]

Every time he says "Kramer", replace it with "A-Rod"...

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[Kevin]

So Kev, just how do you turn a farm system around so drastically in three years with almost the last pick in every round of the draft and a million trades giving up talent for aging all stars? Hmmmmm huge $$$$$$ thrown international prospects which most other teams just can't do. I read an article a few months back addressing this very topic which stated that the draft is useless these days overall based on how many players come from outside it and it isn't fair to our own kids/players. It also stated that it kills the reason for the draft all together allowing top teams to get better players then those teams that finish at the bottom each year. It also stated averages spent in this area and the gap here is worse then total MLB salaries. Nice try Kev.

ummmmmm... Yea... If you read any of my posts a while back.. I addressed just that.. And even fought some Yankee fans in that very point. sooooo Nice try Spoony..

[spoon]

I just don't get this fucking logic. Getting rid of the best player on the team isn't going magically turn this into the dynasty team. I don't see a Bernie Williams or a Paul O'Neill up there. Giambi, Abreu and Posada are all getting old. It would take a fucking miracle for Posada to replicate his numbers from this year. Cano and Melky are really the only players you can expect to get better. Everyone else is going down. As for Rowand, did you learn anything from the Damon signing?

As far as I'm concerned this just made it much more likely one of the 3 young pitchers is gonna get traded. As of now that lineup is VERY unbalanced. They are going to get absolutely raped by lefties.

Too bad my Jays have very little strength in regards to Lefty starters. Aaaaa!

And when you move you main hitter out of the lineup, the whole damn thing gets switched up and people have to fill those voids. I'm not sold that Melky can move up in the lineup and fill that gap, along with other players. Also, they'll see a ton less good pitches as the Arod factor just won't be looming on deck or in the hole. Sorry, it's a big blow.

I do realize that the yanks will have a WHOLE lot of money to spend on the market now and I'm just really happy the Jays don't have any guys out there to protect. Stairs, Johnson and a few others I'd like to see back are available, but no big pitching names. THANK GOD Halladay and Wells are locked up. Rios is arb avail, but they're close to done lining him up in the protected status.

[spoon]

You had me until the "Don't sign Posada and Rivera" part. Then you went too far. The Yanks can sign those two, stay competitive and still develop young players. Its not an either/or. They're the fucking Yankees for crying out loud.

It's really important that they sign Posada and he'll get some good money bc of it. If anyone is out, it'd be Mo. They never made deals with him like he felt they should and really made him squirm a few times. The catching FA market is bleak, and your system for that position is light and not ready. Perhaps you could line up Mauer in that Santana trade by throwing in Torre's old desk? Sounds fair.

[spoon]

Bingo.

The recent Yankee teams have been bully offensive teams. They beat the piss out of KC and can't win a one run game against good pitchers. In the playoffs, you face a lot of good pitchers. Thats a big reason why they've lost.
They have BECOME the teams they used to beat (late 90's Texas/CLE/Bosox) Murderers row lineups with suspect pitching staffs. Time to change the formula.

Come on BDC, you act as though they haven't used the same formula with pitching as they have in the past or with the O. Moose, was a FA big money signing. Petite was as well. Igawa was another FA big money contract. Wang, nothing different there. Pavano, just bc it didn't work doesn't mean they didn't go after young arms in free agency. Clemens, we all know this happened twice now. Farnsworth, big money bullpen signing for the SETUP role.

How is that different from 96 with Rogers, Gooden, Cone, Key, Wetteland and more FA pitchers for hire? It isn't other than they won and it worked then. I'm sorry, I'm not seeing the difference in approach towards pitching.

[spoon]

Add Wells and Nelson to that list in 97.



And damn did Gammons just toast Arod! You guys have to love that!

[spoon]

My friend who is in Denver for business just called me and told me that he's in a Sox bar in Denver... and people are chanting "Yankees Suck"...

No matter where you go, they might very well be the dumbest fans in sports.

I love it! I hope some Avs fans were in there joining in that fun! How could you not? Boston fans are funny goofballs, while yankee fans smell like Z and look like BDC!

[spoon]

i am not sure if you are serious, but i agree. I think he would replace arod's presense at the plate, and for 10 million a year cheaper than arod would. plus he would not have to play the field

The lack of D factors out that 10 million dollar advantage immediately to me. And y not put two of the biggest steroid names in baseball together! Hell, I'd take a Cano for Glaus trade right now and we can get them all there as Sheff may want back with Torre's overt racism gone!

[spoon]

Add Wells and Nelson to that list in 97.



And damn did Gammons just toast Arod! You guys have to love that!

Add El Duque and Irabu in 98 (and yes Irabu was good early in his career) both international FAs.

[spoon]

And then Dave can do an "Old Friends" segment on him and Giambi.

Nice! He doesn't like the yanks now anyway!

[spoon]

The teams that are going to go after him were going to go after him no matter what.. It not like he is going to get new teams because of this.. Teams have been gearing up to go after him since the year began.. Everyone knew he was opting out, its not like this is shocking.

Fallon just told me That Jerry Remy (Sox announcer) is Pissed at Arod for doing this.. He see's it as a classless move.. It could have waited a few days..

That's pretty much the same thing Peter Gammons said. He stated that perhaps bc he's never even been there (WS) he's trying to take away from it and it's a low class move. I agree and when you have Gammons ripping you after the WS you know you're an ass. This I've never debated, but the yanks then seemingly are a perfect fit bc of that fact!

[JPMNICK]

That's pretty much the same thing Peter Gammons said. He stated that perhaps bc he's never even been there (WS) he's trying to take away from it and it's a low class move. I agree and when you have Gammons ripping you after the WS you know you're an ass. This I've never debated, but the yanks then seemingly are a perfect fit bc of that fact!

i wonder if him doing this will discourage boston from entering the sweepstakes. i think them winning again without having to shell out 30 million for him is enough to keep them from going after him to hard. unless he really shows interest, i do not see him in boston next year. but he might want to go up there just to spit in the face of the Yanks. as if that rivalry could not get any more hot, imagine adding him to it.

[spoon]

I said this a month ago and every "yankee" fan went nuts.

The yankees need to sign him, he will be a beast in that stadium. If he DH's and stays healthy he will hit 40 HR's easily next year. I will be the first to buy his jersey.

I disagree so much with this move. It's not worth the risk as Bonds is slowing down sooooo much. And why would they make this move with so many already aging DH's in their system with huge payrolls. I'm sorry, it's not the move for them on this team. If they were set and he was an add on I'd agree that it made some sense, but they have other big needs and this isn't a big one.

[spoon]

How is ARod/Boras any worse than what the Yankees have done since they got booted out of the playoffs ? They have been trying to steal Red Sox thunder for two weeks now.

I always thought there was a gentlemens rule in baseball to not conduct this type of business during Hall of Fame week and World Series time. Am I wrong in that thinking ?


Great point JBS!

[spoon]

Pretty decent Olny Arod artical (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=3084735)

Kev, it's article. I'm not trying to bust your balls, but you've spelled it wrong a bunch of times so I thought I'd let you know.

[Doctor Z]

The media put the Yankees at the top of the headlines for the last 2 weeks, not the Yankees. They didn't get rid of Torre in hopes of stealing headlines.

[JPMNICK]

I disagree so much with this move. It's not worth the risk as Bonds is slowing down sooooo much. And why would they make this move with so many already aging DH's in their system with huge payrolls. I'm sorry, it's not the move for them on this team. If they were set and he was an add on I'd agree that it made some sense, but they have other big needs and this isn't a big one.

thats a good point. you figure either Damon/Matsui or Giambi at DH everyday. bring in bonds and 2 of those guys are on the bench. if you can get bonds for 4-6 million i say go for it. anything more, you got to really think about the team impact. he is a polarizing guy and a media magnet. they need to gel next year if they want to really make it to the playoffs

[spoon]

there is no way the Yanks make him an offer after what he did. not even going in for a face to face meeting will have a lot of people pissed off.

some where right now, Derick Jeter is popping a bottle of champage

Yah, with three chicks not even knowing what's going on bc he's having a threesome, otherwise known as the jeterfordmodelchallenge.com! And they're gonna have to pay for their own parking those skinny whores!

[JPMNICK]

Yah, with three chicks not even knowing what's going on bc he's having a threesome, otherwise know as the jeterfordmodelchallenge.com! And they're gonna have to pay for their own parking those skinny whores!

he is in such a good mood, he will let them valet

[spoon]

i wonder if him doing this will discourage boston from entering the sweepstakes. i think them winning again without having to shell out 30 million for him is enough to keep them from going after him to hard. unless he really shows interest, i do not see him in boston next year. but he might want to go up there just to spit in the face of the Yanks. as if that rivalry could not get any more hot, imagine adding him to it.

I think it would be freaking awesome if he signed for LESS in Chicago, LA or Boston and he states he simply wanted off that fucking team!! It would rule if he claimed it was all about getting revenge on NYC! I'd have to root for an asshole, but I'd root for him if this happened. It won't, but consider it a classic spoony love story script!

[JPMNICK]

I think it would be freaking awesome if he signed for LESS in Chicago, LA or Boston and he states he simply wanted off that fucking team!! It would rule if he claimed it was all about getting revenge on NYC! I'd have to root for an asshole, but I'd root for him if this happened. It won't, but consider it a classic spoony love story script!

if he signs for less, his only option is to pretend he did not want to stay because torre was gone and he was not sure what was going to happen with Mo and Posada. he really thinks he is worth 30 million a year, and if he does not get it i am sure he is going to be pissed behind close doors

[spoon]

thats a good point. you figure either Damon/Matsui or Giambi at DH everyday. bring in bonds and 2 of those guys are on the bench. if you can get bonds for 4-6 million i say go for it. anything more, you got to really think about the team impact. he is a polarizing guy and a media magnet. they need to gel next year if they want to really make it to the playoffs


Nice additional points on the gelling with a new team and manager.

[JPMNICK]

Nice additional points on the gelling with a new team and manager.

next year, if posada does not come back, will really show what Jeter is made of. he will be THE guy to bring that team together. with no arod to put a dampner on things, it will really be his team. when people talk about him being the captain and having all the respect, next year will be his year to really earn it. I am not trying to shit on him, but he really needs to make it all happen. not only in the field and with his bat, but in the club house and on the road. show the new guys how to be a Yankee and bring the Vets back in together as a cohesive unit

[spoon]

next year, if posada does not come back, will really show what Jeter is made of. he will be THE guy to bring that team together. with no arod to put a dampner on things, it will really be his team. when people talk about him being the captain and having all the respect, next year will be his year to really earn it. I am not trying to shit on him, but he really needs to make it all happen. not only in the field and with his bat, but in the club house and on the road. show the new guys how to be a Yankee and bring the Vets back in together as a cohesive unit

Honestly, does anyone think that wasn't Posada's role on this team for a long time?! Especially with the Jeter Arod bs.

That's just another reason they need Posada. He may very well be the glue to the whole damn thing, and replacing him is the hardest. I hate the yanks sooo much, but love the way Posada plays, works and manages the game, his pitchers and his team.

[JPMNICK]

Honestly, does anyone think that wasn't Posada's role on this team for a long time?! Especially with the Jeter Arod bs.

That's just another reason they need Posada. He may very well be the glue to the whole damn thing, and replacing him is the hardest. I hate the yanks sooo much, but love the way Posada plays, works and manages the game, his pitchers and his team.

i can't see how any Yankee fan could not see posada was the unoffical captain of this team and garnered all the respect from the players and pitchers. not that others did not respect jeter, but i think posada did a lot more to bring it all together

[A.J.]

My friend who is in Denver for business just called me and told me that he's in a Sox bar in Denver... and people are chanting "Yankees Suck"...

No matter where you go, they might very well be the dumbest fans in sports.

Like I tell women who bitch that men are assholes: "we're not all the same".

[Bulldogcakes]

i think you can lose him and be better. if you took that money he was making and put it into a real #1 starter and a good defensive 3b who hits .285, you will be a better team just on run differential. a pitcher who does not give up 6+ does not need a team behind him to score 9+ to get the win.

Seattle won 116 games the year after he left. And just like here he left via free agency, its not like they traded him and brought back a package that remade their team ala Randy Johnson. That, according to about half the people on this board "isn't possible". "You can't possibly be a better TEAM without A-Rod" who is one of the most self absorbed, the whole world revolves around me, non-team guys in history. The guy who Steve Phillips said creates a "24-1 situation".

If anything, Texas found they couldn't compete WITH HIM. Because his contract took up so much of their payroll they couldn't afford to surround him with enough talent to win. The Yankees were the only team that could 'afford' to give him a 30 mil contract, maybe the Bosox could as well. Other teams will be wise to look at what happened in Texas and take steps to avoid it. Signing him can be a pyhrric victory if you don't, especially in the out years of the contract when he's 40+ and making 35 mil a year.

[Bulldogcakes]

thats a good point. you figure either Damon/Matsui or Giambi at DH everyday. bring in bonds and 2 of those guys are on the bench. if you can get bonds for 4-6 million i say go for it. anything more, you got to really think about the team impact. he is a polarizing guy and a media magnet. they need to gel next year if they want to really make it to the playoffs

And if Girardi gets the managing gig, he's not into big "stars". He's a big fan of guys he calls "grinders" Guys who will do anything to win a baseball game. Paul O'Niell types (who BTW don't be surprised if he's the new 1B coach).

[joeyballsack]

My friend who is in Denver for business just called me and told me that he's in a Sox bar in Denver... and people are chanting "Yankees Suck"...

No matter where you go, they might very well be the dumbest fans in sports.

Even dumber than Yankee fans who think that their team can lose the best player in baseball and their HOF manager among others and still be a playoff team next year ?

If Girardi gets the job does Mattingly still stay with the Yankees or maybe go to LA if Torre gets the job out there ?

[Freitag]

Even dumber than Yankee fans who think that their team can lose the best player in baseball and their HOF manager among others and still be a playoff team next year ?

If Girardi gets the job does Mattingly still stay with the Yankees or maybe go to LA if Torre gets the job out there ?

Pirates have got a managerial opening and it's relatively close to Indiana. I'm not saying it's possible, but there is something there.

And For what it's worth, the Yankees could have made the playoffs without Torre. This year, without A-rod? No playoffs. Next year, without A-Rod? Who knows.

[tupper65]

ESPN just reported that the Yankees manager job has been offered to Joe Girardi

[Kevin]

How pathetic is it when your prob the best player in baseball.. but upon hearing of your opt out, an entire fanbase chants to not sign you..


Yea you WANT this guy on your team...

[A.J.]

How pathetic is it when your prob the best player in baseball.. but upon hearing of your opt out, an entire fanbase chants to not sign you..


Yea you WANT this guy on your team...

Boston already had a primadonna shortstop who was clubhouse poison and he was traded in mid-2004. The chemistry of the team is great right now as it is. No need to fuck it up.

[ChrisTheCop]

as for the "sox" bar in denver chanting "yankees suck"...

I've been in similar situations where I'm a Sox fan in a "foreign" bar, and I run across some local fans. After a bit of discussion over which one of our teams is best, we inevitably agree on one thing: the yankees suck...and then a chant begins. its a bonding thing, not a mistake.

I was actually pretty impressed with the Colorado and Boston fans I saw in the stands during the series; all civil to eachother and laughing with eachother. Try that in Yankee stadium.

[Doctor Z]

Yeah, but that's what makes Yankees/Sox a rivalry, and Red Sox/Rockies not.

Plus, I wouldn't exactly call Denver a baseball town. They're the kinds of fans that get swept in the World Series and say they're "proud of how far their team got."

[A.J.]

Man, Hank Steinbrenner tore A-Rod a new one:

"It's clear he didn't want to be a Yankee," Hank Steinbrenner, a son of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner and now the figurehead of the club's baseball operations, told the New York Daily News. "He doesn't understand the privilege of being a Yankee on a team where the owners are willing to pay $200 million to put a winning product on the field.

"I don't want anybody on my team that doesn't want to be a Yankee."



"We wanted him to stay a Yankee. We wanted to let him know how much we wanted him," he said. "The bottom line is ... do we really want anybody that really doesn't want to be a Yankee? How the heck can you do that? Compare him with Jeter. Jeter, since he was a little kid, all he ever wanted to do was play shortstop for the Yankees. That's what we want."

And that's the problem -- A-Rod could never get out of Jeter's shadow. Jeter is the golden boy who can do no wrong and A-Rod is the red-headed stepchild.

[Doctor Z]

Damn, I heard the first half of that quote last night... but the second half about Jeter is just plain shitty. This guy doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

[Freitag]

Man, Hank Steinbrenner tore A-Rod a new one:



And that's the problem -- A-Rod could never get out of Jeter's shadow. Jeter is the golden boy who can do no wrong and A-Rod is the red-headed stepchild.

Damn, I heard the first half of that quote last night... but the second half about Jeter is just plain shitty. This guy doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

Why do we care? Do you think a comment about Jeter being the golden boy after A-Rod has basically insulted the entire organization and the fan base is gonna be a deal breaker?

Besides, didn't I say pretty much the EXACT SAME THING that Steinbrenner said earlier this year?

[Doctor Z]

Yeah, but why stoop to his level? Take the fucking high road, say "Thanks for your time, so long." Don't start with this "We've always liked Jeter better" nonsense. That's embarrassing.

[Freitag]

Yeah, but why stoop to his level? Take the fucking high road, say "Thanks for your time, so long." Don't start with this "We've always liked Jeter better" nonsense. That's embarrassing.

He's his father's son. What do you expect?

[Doctor Z]

So... is George dead yet?

There's no way this guy is coherent at this point. We haven't heard his name in weeks.

[Terry-Two]

I cannot explain how much I am enjoying this team crumbling before my eyes. THis organiztion is in shambles, and it is fantastic. The Steinbrenner's will sign a deal to sell the team the day George is put in the ground.

[Doctor Z]

I cannot explain how much I am enjoying this team crumbling before my eyes.

Weirdo.

[Kevin]

I cannot explain how much I am enjoying this team crumbling before my eyes. THis organiztion is in shambles, and it is fantastic. The Steinbrenner's will sign a deal to sell the team the day George is put in the ground.

Relax.. They have a stocked farm, money to no end, and will not sell the team.. This team is fine.

[Doctor Z]

Well, the A-Rod and Mattingly curses have officially been exorcised. A-Rod opted out and Mattingly has announced that he will not accept a position with the Yankees in 2008.

[underdog]

Relax.. They have a stocked farm, money to no end, and will not sell the team.. This team is fine.

You should feel good that the definition of your team crumbling is finishing 2nd in their division.

[TheMojoPin]

Man, Hank Steinbrenner tore A-Rod a new one:

http://www.noisetosignal.org/images/venturebros.jpg

"GO TEAM STEINBRENNER!"

And so begins the Girardi era...I'm pulling for you, Yankee fans. I think the next year or two are gonna be tough...godspeed.

[TheGameHHH]

http://www.noisetosignal.org/images/venturebros.jpg

"GO TEAM STEINBRENNER!"

And so begins the Girardi era...I'm pulling for you, Yankee fans. I think the next year or two are gonna be tough...godspeed.

victory doesn't taste as good without the agony of defeat. im pretty sure the next year or two will be rough as well, but its not like we're talking a lifetime here. i wanted Torre back and I wanted A-Rod to stay, but they weren't my decisions to make. now as a fan i have to sit back and watch, and hope my team made the right decisions.

[HBox]

Seattle won 116 games the year after he left. And just like here he left via free agency, its not like they traded him and brought back a package that remade their team ala Randy Johnson. That, according to about half the people on this board "isn't possible". "You can't possibly be a better TEAM without A-Rod" who is one of the most self absorbed, the whole world revolves around me, non-team guys in history. The guy who Steve Phillips said creates a "24-1 situation".

If anything, Texas found they couldn't compete WITH HIM. Because his contract took up so much of their payroll they couldn't afford to surround him with enough talent to win. The Yankees were the only team that could 'afford' to give him a 30 mil contract, maybe the Bosox could as well. Other teams will be wise to look at what happened in Texas and take steps to avoid it. Signing him can be a pyhrric victory if you don't, especially in the out years of the contract when he's 40+ and making 35 mil a year.

You lost me completely when you quoted Steve Phillips to support yourself. You don't see me quoting random retards to support my opinions.

Look, making the Yanks a playoff team became harder the second A-Rod left. That is a fact. The rest of the team that failed to perform in the playoffs isn't about to change just because A-Rod left. I don't care how much of a dick he is for not even listening to the Yanks or upstaging the World Series or lying about how much he supposedly loved New York or the bullshit excuses he gave for opting out. This team's success has become dependent on how much and how fast the young pitching can develop.

[TheMojoPin]

You lost me completely when you quoted Steve Phillips to support yourself. You don't see me quoting random retards to support my opinions.

Look, making the Yanks a playoff team became harder the second A-Rod left. That is a fact. The rest of the team that failed to perform in the playoffs isn't about to change just because A-Rod left. I don't care how much of a dick he is for not even listening to the Yanks or upstaging the World Series or lying about how much he supposedly loved New York or the bullshit excuses he gave for opting out. This team's success has become dependent on how much and how fast the young pitching can develop.

When someone will say they'd prefer a team of 9 Paul O'Neils over 9 ARod's...well...

[lleeder]

I know not having A-Rod on the Yankees will hurt the team in the next few years but over the length of the contract I think its smart to let him walk. I've seen the Yankees sign so many guys to long deals only to see them paid huge sums of money in their later years with little or no productivity. When he's 40 getting 30 million a year I would not want to see him on the team. Plus how many guys live up to their career year once they sign the big deal. This year might be the best year he'll ever have. I don't think its wise to hope for that again. Now I'll take my bashing...

[Bulldogcakes]

Well, the A-Rod and Mattingly curses have officially been exorcised. A-Rod opted out and Mattingly has announced that he will not accept a position with the Yankees in 2008.

Mattingly is rumored to be taking the bench coach job with Torre if/when Torre gets the LA Dodger job. Huh? I thought bench coach isn't good enough for him anymore? He just turned down the YANKEE bench coach job. So, I guess Donnie is more loyal to Torre than he is to the Yankees.

Another fucking overly sensitive drama queen phony, just like Torre. I'm so glad they're both gone. I'll send both of them a box of tampons as a thank you.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10132006/photos/sports074.jpg
See that? Thats a REAL MAN! I'LL FUCK YOU TILL YOU LOVE ME!

Where's Sweet Melissa when I need her?

[TheMojoPin]

Mattingly is rumored to be taking the bench coach job with Torre if/when Torre gets the LA Dodger job. Huh? I thought bench coach isn't good enough for him anymore? He just turned down the YANKEE bench coach job. So, I guess Donnie is more loyal to Torre than he is to the Yankees.

Another fucking overly sensitive drama queen phony, just like Torre. I'm so glad they're both gone. I'll send both of them a box of tampons as a thank you.

Dear God...LISTEN TO YOURSELF.

[HBox]

Mattingly is rumored to be taking the bench coach job with Torre if/when Torre gets the LA Dodger job. Huh? I thought bench coach isn't good enough for him anymore? He just turned down the YANKEE bench coach job. So, I guess Donnie is more loyal to Torre than he is to the Yankees.

Another fucking overly sensitive drama queen phony, just like Torre. I'm so glad they're both gone. I'll send both of them a box of tampons as a thank you.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10132006/photos/sports074.jpg
See that? Thats a REAL MAN! I'LL FUCK YOU TILL YOU LOVE ME!

Where's Sweet Melissa when I need her?

What are you talking about? You think Girardi would take a job as Mattingly's bench coach had Mattingly got the job? Hell no. This is kind of like what happened with the Steelers with Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm. Candidates aren't going to have a great feeling about an organization once they just lost out on a job.

[K.C.]

When someone will say they'd prefer a team of 9 Paul O'Neils over 9 ARod's...well...

They're grasping at straws...we know it well, being Phils and Cubs fans respectively.

The bottom line is any Yankees fan can't possibly feel comfortable with the state of this team at the moment.

Not that it won't round into shape...we'll see...but they're clearly #2 in that division right now.

[spoon]

Hank's comment here really pisses me off!

"He doesn't understand the privilege of being a Yankee on a team where the owners are willing to pay $200 million to put a winning product on the field."


Fuck off you douche. As if 90% of the league can do so with the league set up the way it is and the way it filters fans across the country towards a few teams, it's not surprising. Privilege, fuck you, what have you done other then get born you fuck!

[lleeder]

Not that it won't round into shape...we'll see...but they're clearly #2 in that division right now.

How could they be anything but #2 right now? The Red Sox just won the World Series last night!!!!

[lleeder]

Hank's comment here really pisses me off!

"He doesn't understand the privilege of being a Yankee on a team where the owners are willing to pay $200 million to put a winning product on the field."


Fuck off you douche. As if 90% of the league can do so with the league set up the way it is and the way it filters fans across the country towards a few teams, it's not surprising. Privilege, fuck you, what have you done other then get born you fuck!

Admit it its nice to have an owner to direct your hate to again?

[Bulldogcakes]

You lost me completely when you quoted Steve Phillips to support yourself. You don't see me quoting random retards to support my opinions.

Look, making the Yanks a playoff team became harder the second A-Rod left. That is a fact. The rest of the team that failed to perform in the playoffs isn't about to change just because A-Rod left. I don't care how much of a dick he is for not even listening to the Yanks or upstaging the World Series or lying about how much he supposedly loved New York or the bullshit excuses he gave for opting out. This team's success has become dependent on how much and how fast the young pitching can develop.

I don't see you (or Mojo) quoting anyone, or anything to support any of the moronic, insulting things you guys say to me on a daily basis. At least make an attempt to back up what I say, provide links, use familiar quotes. Then you guys come back with nothing of any substance, as usual. But what else is new.

Now lets try this again. Explain to me how its possible that the Seattle Mariners won 116 games the year after he left, since according to you the Yanks are automatically a worse TEAM now that he left.

[Bulldogcakes]

The bottom line is any Yankees fan can't possibly feel comfortable with the state of this team at the moment.

Not that it won't round into shape...we'll see...but they're clearly #2 in that division right now.

I've never been happier. They are in the midst of reforming this team away from the murderers row lineups that go nowhere in the playoffs into a more versatile hitting, pitching focused team. I LOOOOOOVVVEEEE what's going on. Its about 3 years overdue.

BTW-How do you feel about what the Phillies are doing? Oh thats right. They've done nothing. Good luck with that, your imbecile manager and your pitching staff.

[spoon]

Yeah, but why stoop to his level? Take the fucking high road, say "Thanks for your time, so long." Don't start with this "We've always liked Jeter better" nonsense. That's embarrassing.

Exactly right Z, the way Cashman handled it was right no matter how bad you feel about the situation. It reflects on the organization and effects player decissions moving forward. Does everyone get the chance to be compared to the "golden DP boy" if they choose not to stay when the yanks still want them. Do those players that the yanks let walk/go at the end of contracts get to cry like bitches just the same toward the yanks. Sheff did that and look how you ripped him...which should have been done.

Oh and sorry Matty, but a post on a messageboard by a fan is fine, but top brass in what is considered the main frachise in baseball all but makes my and Z's point. And let's be honest, you're not exactly the best PR man on this board (not like I am either and I'm not saying that).

[TheGameHHH]

I've never been happier. They are in the midst of reforming this team away from the murderers row lineups that go nowhere in the playoffs into a more versatile hitting, pitching focused team. I LOOOOOOVVVEEEE what's going on. Its about 3 years overdue.

BTW-How do you feel about what the Phillies are doing? Oh thats right. They've done nothing. Good luck with that, your imbecile manager and your pitching staff.

we're gonna talk around July next season, i hope you still LOOOOOOVVVVEEEE what's going on then. for the both of us, I hope I'm wrong.

[TheGameHHH]

Exactly right Z, the way Cashman handled it was right no matter how bad you feel about the situation. It reflects on the organization and effects player decissions moving forward. Does everyone get the chance to be compared to the "golden DP boy" if they choose not to stay when the yanks still want them. Do those players that the yanks let walk/go at the end of contracts get to cry like bitches just the same toward the yanks. Sheff did that and look how you ripped him...which should have been done.

Oh and sorry Matty, but a post on a messageboard by a fan is fine, but top brass in what is considered the main frachise in baseball all but makes my and Z's point. And let's be honest, you're not exactly the best PR man on this board (not like I am either and I'm not saying that).

Cashman was the only one who came out of this whole A-Rod ordeal looking like a man.

[Kevin]

Exactly right Z, the way Cashman handled it was right no matter how bad you feel about the situation. It reflects on the organization and effects player decissions moving forward. Does everyone get the chance to be compared to the "golden DP boy" if they choose not to stay when the yanks still want them. Do those players that the yanks let walk/go at the end of contracts get to cry like bitches just the same toward the yanks. Sheff did that and look how you ripped him...which should have been done.

Oh and sorry Matty, but a post on a messageboard by a fan is fine, but top brass in what is considered the main frachise in baseball all but makes my and Z's point. And let's be honest, you're not exactly the best PR man on this board (not like I am either and I'm not saying that).

I agree with this and the privileged comments.. Cringed when i saw both.. It was OK until the Jeter comment.. And like you said.. This douche has done nothing but be born a stienbrenner. I hate these trust fund babies who want to get themselves respect.. Shut the fuck up! You do not win respect by making "shocking" comments.. You gain it by winning titles.

[BoondockSaint]

BTW-How do you feel about what the Phillies are doing? Oh thats right. They've done nothing. Good luck with that, your imbecile manager and your pitching staff.


What exactly should the Phillies have done by now?

[HBox]

I've never been happier. They are in the midst of reforming this team away from the murderers row lineups that go nowhere in the playoffs into a more versatile hitting, pitching focused team. I LOOOOOOVVVEEEE what's going on. Its about 3 years overdue.

BTW-How do you feel about what the Phillies are doing? Oh thats right. They've done nothing. Good luck with that, your imbecile manager and your pitching staff.

You are really cocky about a team that lasted one game longer than the Phils.

As for that Phillips quote, what kind of backup is that? it's the opinion of a failure. And it's well documented that A-Rod got along well with Cano and Melky. They were working out before games all the time. He got along well with Abreu too. Just because some asshole who has a microphone in front of him on ESPN who has nothing to do with the yanks and hasn't been in baseball for forever says something doesn't make it true.

And you are assuming that the Yanks make some good moves this offseason. As of right now the team is worse. And nobody yet knows what kind of changes the Yankes CAN make. Maybe there's nothing out there, maybe there nothing at a price that the yanks are willing to pay. We don't know anything right now other than the yanks just lost their best player.

[spoon]

Mattingly is rumored to be taking the bench coach job with Torre if/when Torre gets the LA Dodger job. Huh? I thought bench coach isn't good enough for him anymore? He just turned down the YANKEE bench coach job. So, I guess Donnie is more loyal to Torre than he is to the Yankees.

Another fucking overly sensitive drama queen phony, just like Torre. I'm so glad they're both gone. I'll send both of them a box of tampons as a thank you.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10132006/photos/sports074.jpg
See that? Thats a REAL MAN! I'LL FUCK YOU TILL YOU LOVE ME!

Where's Sweet Melissa when I need her?


Man do you turn on people fucking fast.

[spoon]

I don't see you (or Mojo) quoting anyone, or anything to support any of the moronic, insulting things you guys say to me on a daily basis. At least make an attempt to back up what I say, provide links, use familiar quotes. Then you guys come back with nothing of any substance, as usual. But what else is new.

Now lets try this again. Explain to me how its possible that the Seattle Mariners won 116 games the year after he left, since according to you the Yanks are automatically a worse TEAM now that he left.


Quoting someone makes you right!? And Phillips is considered a great source!? I have to say, I'd take Mojo, Z and Boxy's points on baseball WAY before half the people you quote to validate your own comments. The question I have for you is, Are these your feelings, or are you just following their thoughts? For someone so against Torre, Mattingly, and Arod (established baseball names), you seem to jump on others for support. You're all over the fucking place and should realize that other people can have independent ideas that make perfect sense. It's a message board, not a proof source document with needed refs.

[Bulldogcakes]

Man do you turn on people fucking fast.

Me? I wanted Torre out for 2 years and wanted Girardi in.

I was never a big Mattingly guy. He had a great 5 year career for teams that couldn't pitch and won nothing. You know us Yankee fans Spoon, its all about the rings (most of us, anyway). Its what attracts some to the team, and what repels others. Thats sports, I guess.

[Bossanova]

How can anyone use Phillips as a legit source. Hey trashed ARod cause he knew he fucked up a possible deal, then he brings in Mo Vaugh. Yeah Phillips knows baseball better than anyone

[spoon]

I don't see you (or Mojo) quoting anyone, or anything to support any of the moronic, insulting things you guys say to me on a daily basis. At least make an attempt to back up what I say, provide links, use familiar quotes. Then you guys come back with nothing of any substance, as usual. But what else is new.

Now lets try this again. Explain to me how its possible that the Seattle Mariners won 116 games the year after he left, since according to you the Yanks are automatically a worse TEAM now that he left.

Oh and your Seattle argument is hideous! That team was much deeper then this one and look at their pitching, 4 guys over 15 wins, 5 over 10. That doesn't happen just bc you drop Arod. Oh and they added a huge spark plug that year who is going down as one hell of a player too, you know Ichiro. That team could aford to lose him as his salary didn't fit that smaller market team as well. The yanks are solely based on a whole different approach and they didn't exactly set themselves up for this defection since they claim to have seen it coming.

[Bossanova]

I hear Aaron Boone is a free agent

[TheMojoPin]

I don't see you (or Mojo) quoting anyone, or anything to support any of the moronic, insulting things you guys say to me on a daily basis. At least make an attempt to back up what I say, provide links, use familiar quotes. Then you guys come back with nothing of any substance, as usual. But what else is new.

Now lets try this again. Explain to me how its possible that the Seattle Mariners won 116 games the year after he left, since according to you the Yanks are automatically a worse TEAM now that he left.

You're just seemingly so rooted in that dinosaur, Joe Morgan/Dusty Baker/et al style of "hunches" and "going by the gut" and "intagibles" style of baseball analysis that's been shown time and time again to just fail utterly in modern baseball. It's an outdated approach to the game that pretends like it's still 1977 as opposed to 2007. How can you ask us to post evidence to "prove" that we're right when you've done nothing even close to resembling that? You keep cherry picking and tossing out editorials as if they somehow mean anything when it actually comes to winning games.

As for your final point, one has nothing to do with the other since they're two completely different teams. You're tossing that out there is if you know that the Yankees next year or even now are even close to as good as that 116-win Mariners team. It's a completely false comparison that can't be used to prove anything either way when it comes to the Yankees and ARod.

[Bulldogcakes]

we're gonna talk around July next season, i hope you still LOOOOOOVVVVEEEE what's going on then. for the both of us, I hope I'm wrong.

I know its been a long time, bro. But there are more ways to win ballgames besides the Torre approach. He was here so long many seem to think its the only way to win, and its not.

If you want to all the way back to the early days of the Yanks, Miller Higgins was a laid back "Torre" type. He was followed by Joe McCarthy, who was more in the Girardi mold. More into matchups, more rules, a more disciplined guy. They went on to have the best run of success in their history, a .615 winning pct and 9 pennants and 6 WS titles in the next 15 years. Then they went back to a more laid back style with Casey Stengel (though he invented the platoon, he was still easygoing. No curfew, few clubhouse rules). Or for a more recent example, when laid back Bob Lemon took over in 78 for the high strung Billy Martin.

A change in approach can be very successful, and I think its just what this team needs.

[Bulldogcakes]

Cashman was the only one who came out of this whole A-Rod ordeal looking like a man.

He always handles himself well. The most mad I ever heard him get was on a Mike+Maddog interview after Torre made the "Joba Rules" public. He was reported to be fuming about that, and was very short with them in the interview. But thats about it.

Also, forget all that stuff about Cashman "losing power" in the organization. If anything, he's never had more authority. When Hank was quoted as being "In agreement with Cashman" about the managerial favorite, and "that hasn't changed" (since the interviews were held) That turned out to be Girardi all along. Girardi was the favorite, not Mattingly. Girardi is a Cashman guy, he's been long rumored to have coveted him as manager, and Hank was on board. That tells you he and the owner are on the same page. The changes Cashman is making is how they built the 90's teams, and thats why I'm so excited about it.

[Bulldogcakes]

Oh and your Seattle argument is hideous! That team was much deeper then this one and look at their pitching, 4 guys over 15 wins, 5 over 10. That doesn't happen just bc you drop Arod. Oh and they added a huge spark plug that year who is going down as one hell of a player too, you know Ichiro. That team could aford to lose him as his salary didn't fit that smaller market team as well. The yanks are solely based on a whole different approach and they didn't exactly set themselves up for this defection since they claim to have seen it coming.

If you noticed how quickly they've closed the door (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071029&content_id=2287537&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy), I think that privately they're thrilled that Alex did this. He did them an enormous favor, PR wise. This could have been another Torre situation, where they low balled A-Rod and had him leave and everyone blamed them. Instead, he leaves w/o even negotiating, which tells all of NY he wanted out. Now he's the bad guy, and fans are GLAD he's gone on every radio station in town.

The argument that is hideous is the one that says the Yanks are automatically worse off since A-Rod has left, when we are still in October and have barely begun the off season. If some of the trade/FA rumors pan out, some of that run production will be made up elsewhere and some of it won't be needed if we improve our rotation and bullpen. I expect the Yanks to score a few less runs without Alex. I also expect them to get an ace via trade from somewhere and some bullpen help. I also expect some of the young pitchers to develop nicely and improve both the bullpen and rotation. They may score a few less runs overall, but I expect them to give up fewer as well. And I expect them to keep moving in that direction. Away from big power laden lineups, toward more versatile, productive lineups. Ones that can win a one run game as well as a slugfest. And have their #1 priority be pitching again.

They led the league in runs for the last few years, and got nowhere in the playoffs each time. They now have enough pitching on the team and in the minors to make some trades and call up others and have a vastly improved staff next year. I think they will not only be fine, but will be better overall team w/o him.

[spoon]

I expect them to make some overpriced free agent pickups and then you to claim they did nothing after the fact....even though some will be pitching based on what's out there. I expect them to make almost all the choices for Girardi and relegate him to a pawn of the system which isn't a true manager. I expect you to change you views as often as the wind in San Diego last week as it fits your arguments at any moment in time. I also expect all those players that were hidden via that big bat to show so many more flaws at the plate and lefties to simply destroy the yankees.

I also expect you to always be a bear who wishes he was a Jeter twink.

Ooops, almost forgot .... :wink:

[TheGameHHH]

I know its been a long time, bro. But there are more ways to win ballgames besides the Torre approach. He was here so long many seem to think its the only way to win, and its not.

If you want to all the way back to the early days of the Yanks, Miller Higgins was a laid back "Torre" type. He was followed by Joe McCarthy, who was more in the Girardi mold. More into matchups, more rules, a more disciplined guy. They went on to have the best run of success in their history, a .615 winning pct and 9 pennants and 6 WS titles in the next 15 years. Then they went back to a more laid back style with Casey Stengel (though he invented the platoon, he was still easygoing. No curfew, few clubhouse rules). Or for a more recent example, when laid back Bob Lemon took over in 78 for the high strung Billy Martin.

A change in approach can be very successful, and I think its just what this team needs.

it's not just about Torre, you and i both know i liked him and you didn't.....but this goes a whole lot deeper then that. I'm not gonna hate on Girardi, i hope he does nothing but succeed. But when you lose the best player in the game and a manager that everybody in the clubhouse adored, don't you think it's gonna impact other free agents on the team? Due to all this I don't believe that all 3 Yankees, Mo/Posada/Pettitte, are comming back. I think at least one of them will walk. It's just going to be a drastically different team. We have no clue how the pitching will pan out, we're all hoping for the best because the young kids have shown they have stuff........but we don't know if they can carry the load of a 162 game season. I don't expect to just go out and get a stud via free agency or trade like you do. Then even if they land said "stud", who knows how they'll pitch in the Bronx. I've seen some decent pitchers not pan out there. Like I said, the team will be drastically different and I'm not sold it's going to be for the better. But, time will tell. That's why we'll discuss the state of the team next year in July.

[BoondockSaint]

From the NY Post:

A source close to the negotiations said that as of 5:30 p.m. no deal had been reached and in fact that Girardi's people were still talking to the Dodgers about their manager's job.

That would be hysterical if he took the Dodgers job.

[Kevin]

From the NY Post:



That would be hysterical if he took the Dodgers job.

I think i can hear Scot Procter loading up his shot gun..

Edit.. didn't read it right.. Thought they were talking about Torre..

I think thats for money leverage.. And thats it.. Yankees seem to have a short fuse these days.. He better not fuck around here and piss them off though..

[Bulldogcakes]

I don't expect to just go out and get a stud via free agency or trade like you do. Then even if they land said "stud", who knows how they'll pitch in the Bronx. I've seen some decent pitchers not pan out there. Like I said, the team will be drastically different and I'm not sold it's going to be for the better. But, time will tell. That's why we'll discuss the state of the team next year in July.

I'm sure we'll be discussing it all along. I'm not saying "We'll def get pitcher X or 3B Y" but we do have a pretty stacked farm system right now, and according to various trade rumor websites Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Tejada, Bedard, Johan Santana, CC Sabathia, Joe Crede, Troy Glaus and others will all be available.

I'm still in favor of moving Cano to 3B and signing Luis Castillo if his knee is healthy. But there's a lot of different ways to attack this, all with +/-. I expect them to get something done trade wise for either a starter or 3B. The elements of a deal are there on both sides.

[Bulldogcakes]

From the NY Post:
That would be hysterical if he took the Dodgers job.

It would, but the negotiations were expected to take 1-2 days. I wouldn't get worried just yet.

[Kevin]

I'm sure we'll be discussing it all along. I'm not saying "We'll def get pitcher X or 3B Y" but we do have a pretty stacked farm system right now, and according to various trade rumor websites Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Tejada, Bedard, Johan Santana, CC Sabathia, Joe Crede, Troy Glaus and others will all be available.

I'm still in favor of moving Cano to 3B and signing Luis Castillo if his knee is healthy. But there's a lot of different ways to attack this, all with +/-. I expect them to get something done trade wise. The elements of a deal are there on both sides.


No.. Castillo was named one of the main reason of Reyes bad play.. He was deemed a very bad influence.. I do not want him anywhere near Cano..

[TheMojoPin]

I expect them to make some overpriced free agent pickups and then you to claim they did nothing after the fact....even though some will be pitching based on what's out there. I expect them to make almost all the choices for Girardi and relegate him to a pawn of the system which isn't a true manager. I expect you to change you views as often as the wind in San Diego last week as it fits your arguments at any moment in time. I also expect all those players that were hidden via that big bat to show so many more flaws at the plate and lefties to simply destroy the yankees.

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[Marc with a c]

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ahhh. spoon is our chocolate bear.

[BoondockSaint]

No.. Castillo was named one of the main reason of Reyes bad play.. He was deemed a very bad influence.. I do not want him anywhere near Cano..

Where did you see that? I never heard it and the rumor is the Mets are going to try and re-sign him.

[Bossanova]

Where did you see that? I never heard it and the rumor is the Mets are going to try and re-sign him.

I have heard it on at least two of th Fan's shows and on espn. The say Castillo is a downer off the field, and Reyes attached himself to Luis. Reyes used to follow Valentin's emotions.

[Doctor Z]

Just when Scott Proctor thought he was safe... (http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071029/SPORTS01/710290436)

[Doctor Z]

And Mattingly and Kevin Long are expected to follow... Looks like the Dodgers went from being "Red Sox West" to "Yankees West"... Maybe Mo and Jorge will meet them at LAX.

[Bulldogcakes]

And Mattingly and Kevin Long are expected to follow... Looks like the Dodgers went from being "Red Sox West" to "Yankees West"... Maybe Mo and Jorge will meet them at LAX.

I wouldn't hold my breath. They don't need a closer or a catcher. C Russel Martin had a year almost as good as Jorge for $387,000, and their closer Saito had 9 more saves than Mariano, and earned 1 mil. They'd be nuts to sign either.

Thats just idiot sportswriters filling up space.

[HBox]

Poor Scott Proctor. Poor poor Scott Proctor.

[Kevin]

This from NY Post.com..

Knowing that Torre is the Dodgers' leading candidate to take over for Grady Little, something that could happen quickly since the Dodgers are working on a buyout with Little, the Yankees and Girardi moved swiftly to keep hitting coach Kevin Long, who is expected to sign a rare three-year deal for close to $1 million. The Yankees are also keen on retaining field coordinator Rob Thomson as Girardi's third base or bench coach. Tony Pena, who interviewed for the job Girardi was offered yesterday, also will remain.

Third base coach Larry Bowa is a candidate to stay or he could travel to L.A. with Torre, who may ask Don Mattingly to join him. Several people in the Yankees' universe believe Torre will be named Dodgers manager, possibly as soon as today.

[JPMNICK]

ESPN is saying that the NY papers are saying that he is going to be the manager of the dodgers. but Tony Jackson who is from the LA Daily news is not commiting to it 100%

[King Hippos Bandaid]

what is this, As the Yankees Turn


this is a fucking soap opera

:king:

[Kevin]

what is this, As the Yankees Turn


this is a fucking soap opera

:king:


Any minute now,Jeter is gunna announce to Arod that he is pregnant.. AND THE BABY IS HIS!

[JPMNICK]

i think bernie comes back next year

you heard it hear 1st.

or he goes to the dodgers with everyone else

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Greatest Swerve, Torre Brings the Dodgers back to Brooklyn and joins the Al East

then the battle for players begin

:king:

[Kevin]

Greatest Swerve, Torre Brings the Dodgers back to Brooklyn and joins the Al East

then the battle for players begin

:king:

Bbut bbbut then.. there wouldn't be any Met fans...

[JPMNICK]

Bbut bbbut then.. there wouldn't be any Met fans...

there are no met fans now, just people not cool enough to be allowed to watch Yankee games with their friends when they were little

[Kevin]

there are no met fans now, just people not cool enough to be allowed to watch Yankee games with their friends when they were little

Judging by the two threads.. You may be right..

[King Hippos Bandaid]

there are no met fans now, just people not cool enough to be allowed to watch Yankee games with their friends when they were little


or real 20 -30s Met Fans who Chose the Superior Met Product in the 1980s

if the Yanks diddnt shit the bed from 1982-1993 (My Childhood), I may have liked the Yanks


:king:

[Kevin]

or real 20 -30s Met Fans who Chose the Superior Met Product in the 1980s

if the Yanks diddnt shit the bed from 1982-1993 (My Childhood), I may have liked the Yanks


:king:

Front runner?

[Doctor Z]

Feels like the Dodgers are leaving New York all over again.

[Kevin]

Feels like the Dodgers are leaving New York all over again.

Can they include Giambi??

[spoon]

ahhh. spoon is our chocolate bear.

Ok I'll give this another try mojo. Is that a good mod quote for me!? Fingers crossed that I got it right......nervous.....still waiting......

[Bulldogcakes]

Twins have 15-day window to negotiate with free agent Hunter (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3086066)

The reason that is something to watch for the Yankees is if the Twins can resign Hunter(which they want to) that will force them to deal Santana this off season. They've said they can't afford both and Hunter is more popular with the fan base, which expects Johan to leave. If they lose Hunter, then there's no rush to deal Johan. He still will be likely to be dealt, but then they might wait until next years trade deadline. Or if they stay in contention all year he might not be traded at all.

Even if Johan stays put, Bedard, Willis and Sabathia are expected to be dangled as well. All 4 can be #1 starters, are lefties, and lefties tend to do well in Yankee stadium. A right handed option who may also be available is Jon Garland, who has amazing #s in Yankee stadium. Its amazing there will be 4 or 5 top of the rotation left handers available this year. Most years there are none.

My wish list would start with Johan, then Bedard, then Willis, then Sabathia. In that order. With 4 available you figure you can land one. Willis is attractive because he may be the cheapest, is dying for a change of scenery and could be packaged with Cabrera in a blockbuster deal. But I'd expect the Yanks to go all out for the surest bet, especially in this off season with so much change and uncertainty. That means Santana.

[spoon]

You ever think they might just sign Hunter and make the choice at the trade deadline next year? It wouldn't be too tough to get some sort of hometown discount on Hunter, and then he'd be even easier to move. Also, stop acting like Santana is surely on the market. You act as though the nail is in the coffin with his Minny days. Your constant talk on picking up every great player even close to on the market is just plain infuriating. How about you use that farm system if it's so damn great. You cry about all these bad moves and big contracts all fucking year, every year and then that's all you want come the offseason. I hope whoever you get, he turns into the second coming of Brown or better yet Pavano. And your prospects turn into Drew Hensen. Cheers. :drunk:

[Marc with a c]

drew hensen is a good one, but i dont think anyone will ever top,

http://www.thenosebleeds.com/uploaded_images/Taylorbrien-797070.jpg

[spoon]

Well in football my Chargers always have Ryan Leaf baby!!

[Kevin]

drew hensen is a good one, but i dont think anyone will ever top,

http://www.thenosebleeds.com/uploaded_images/Taylorbrien-797070.jpg

http://twbsball.dils.tku.edu.tw/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/290px-Bill21.JPG

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Front runner?


Ya Damn str8

Randy Hated Me, but the Yanks Stunk, So He was a Brewers Fan until 1995

He was the true Front Runner


Hey Kevin Imagine What would have Happened if I was a Yankees Fan, the luck that I have

:king:

[Kevin]

Ya Damn str8

Randy Hated Me, but the Yanks Stunk, So He was a Brewers Fan until 1995

He was the true Front Runner


Hey Kevin Imagine What would have Happened if I was a Yankees Fan, the luck that I have

:king:





No.. Because the Yanks would never have won any of those 4 titles..

[Doctor Z]

SO... What kind of horrible, unfathomable news do you think will emerge from Yankeeland TODAY?

[Earlshog]

or real 20 -30s Met Fans who Chose the Superior Met Product in the 1980s

if the Yanks diddnt shit the bed from 1989-1992 (My Childhood), I may have liked the Yanks


:king:

fixed

[Kevin]

Its pretty sad that Girardi (2.5) now makes more money than Tito.. Tito deserves at least 4mil a year..

[King Hippos Bandaid]

SO... What kind of horrible, unfathomable news do you think will emerge from Yankeeland TODAY?

Here is Some Bad news

1. Joe Torre is Pregnant with Hank Steinbrenner's Child

2. Yankees Sign Rodriguez, Henry Rodriguez that is

3. Donnie Baseball burns his Yankee Jersey, Pledges allegiance to Red Sox Nation because he was able to purchase a Free Taco Between 2-5

4. Joba Chamberlain is out 8-10 months with a Severe Case of the Cooties transmitted through the bugs in Cleveland

5. Kyle Farnsworth re signed to a 6 Year Deal, no traded clause granted

:king:

[Freitag]

Now Torre gets to manage pitchers in both halves of the inning! We could be seeing Farnsworth diving into first and stealing bases!

[Freitag]

BTW, this is now twice Grady Little has lost a job as a direct result of something the Yankees have done.

Although the first time was his fault.

[Doctor Z]

Torre On Letterman (http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=607074&w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/m_partner/joe_torre/joe_torre_on_letterman_400.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=1&mid=200710302288167&cid=mlb&fid=gen_video400&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=v_free&_mp=1)

I can't find the entire video yet, but this is what I've got so far. He has a couple of good lines in there.

[cougarjake13]

Where did you see that? I never heard it and the rumor is the Mets are going to try and re-sign him.

I have heard it on at least two of th Fan's shows and on espn. The say Castillo is a downer off the field, and Reyes attached himself to Luis. Reyes used to follow Valentin's emotions.

i never heard much of castillo being a bad influence but i did hear that rickey was a bad influence on him

[cougarjake13]

http://twbsball.dils.tku.edu.tw/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/290px-Bill21.JPG

generation k was a flop

but



wilson, pulsipher, and izzy all made the majors and did pitch well

izzy was a good if not dominant closer for a while in oakland and st louis
wilson had a few sporadic good seasons
pulsipher was the least successful bu had a few decent years out of the bullpen


taylor never made it past double A

[Freitag]

i never heard much of castillo being a bad influence but i did hear that rickey was a bad influence on him

WHAT?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!! I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS STATEMENT!!

[Kevin]

Torre On Letterman (http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=607074&w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/m_partner/joe_torre/joe_torre_on_letterman_400.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=1&mid=200710302288167&cid=mlb&fid=gen_video400&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=v_free&_mp=1)

I can't find the entire video yet, but this is what I've got so far. He has a couple of good lines in there.

What you didnt see there was Procter throwing 50 pitches in the green room, while Torre was talking.

[Doctor Z]

Girardi conference call live right now on WFAN. So far pretty standard procedure.

[Kevin]

I think Torre is coming off as a hypocrite again in this Dodger thing.. He says he is about honer and shit.. Hey Joe.. Instead of basically campaigning for the Dodger job and eluding to it on Letterman.. How about saying, the Dodgers have a manager, until that is not the case, no comment. What they are doing to Little is not right. Let the man go already.

[Doctor Z]

Unfortunately, Joe is all about sticking it to the Yankees right now... and his quips on Letterman made that pretty clear. I agree though, they're handling Grady Little just about as poorly as the Yankees handled Torre, but that doesn't seem to bug Joe too much.

I'm excited about Girardi. He sounds good right now, he's saying all the right things, and he's handling the tough questions very well.

[Kevin]

Oh goodie! We shall be hearing from Hank! I wonder what gems will come out of him today!

[Doctor Z]

Cross your fingers... Hank is talking.

[BoondockSaint]

How come they're not having a press conference?

[Kevin]

How come they're not having a press conference?

Because the Yankees are about laying low, not about pomp and circumstance, and back pages...

[BoondockSaint]

Because the Yankees are about laying low, not about pomp and circumstance, and back pages...

HA!

[HBox]

They probably didn't have enough time to throw together a press conference. I think they wanted to get it announced as soon as possible once the deal was completed so they can start putting together the coaching staff.

[Kevin]

They probably didn't have enough time to throw together a press conference. I think they wanted to get it announced as soon as possible once the deal was completed so they can start putting together the coaching staff.

Why must you always be a party pooper with this crazy talk "logic" of yours??

[HBox]

Waldman got through her question without crying or heaping scorn on the people who got rid of Torre. GOODNESS GRACIOUS!

[BoondockSaint]

Why is Waldman asking questions?

[Kevin]

Was there a no Arod questions rule put on these writers?? Or did i miss an Arod question??

[BoondockSaint]

Was there a no Arod questions rule put on these writers?? Or did i miss an Arod question??


John Sterling asked who was going to replace A-Rod so that he could start working on a home run call.

[Kevin]

10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1

[Doctor Z]

Mike & Chris tried to play shock jock for a minute there, and it gave me douche chills.

[BoondockSaint]

Mike & Chris tried to play shock jock for a minute there, and it gave me douche chills.

What the countdown stuff? I thought it was funny.

[Kevin]

What the countdown stuff? I thought it was funny.

Yea, me too..

[Doctor Z]

It was funny the first 2 times they did it... then they went on counting in every multiple they could think of, up to 100, down to 0, mississippi's, and Chris's nails-on-a-chalkboard laughter... and it hurt my soul.

And the odd thing was, they thought it was funny that Brian Cashman was constantly talking... DURING A BRIAN CASHMAN conference call.

[lleeder]

Here is Some Bad news

1. Joe Torre is Pregnant with Hank Steinbrenner's Child

2. Yankees Sign Rodriguez, Henry Rodriguez that is

3. Donnie Baseball burns his Yankee Jersey, Pledges allegiance to Red Sox Nation because he was able to purchase a Free Taco Between 2-5

4. Joba Chamberlain is out 8-10 months with a Severe Case of the Cooties transmitted through the bugs in Cleveland

5. Kyle Farnsworth re signed to a 6 Year Deal, no traded clause granted

:king:





6. King Hippo thinks he's a comedic writer

[Doctor Z]

#6 is the scariest of them all.

[Bulldogcakes]

What you didnt see there was Procter throwing 50 pitches in the green room, while Torre was talking.

:lol:

[Bulldogcakes]

Girardi conference call live right now on WFAN. So far pretty standard procedure.

He looks like he's going to be a snooze fest in his post game press conferences. And who cares, as long as he wins.

BTW-I heard Mattingly's press conference as well, and I was 100% WRONG about him yesterday. I thought that he was pouting over not getting the job, and thats not it at all. He handled himself very well, was gracious and complementary to everyone involved, and cleared up the matter totally. He was never guaranteed anything, he was disappointed about not getting the job (who wouldn't be) and he said he'd have no problem coming back to the stadium.

More than I can say for Torre, who wouldn't say whether he'll come back or not.

[Bulldogcakes]

#6 is the scariest of them all.

http://www.thediamondangle.com/archive/july02/asg1/torre1.jpg

I still have nightmares

[Doctor Z]

Are the Dodgers in the Yankees' interleague schedule next season?

[Bossanova]

Are the Dodgers in the Yankees' interleague schedule next season?

Didn't they just play this year?

[Bulldogcakes]

Didn't they just play this year?

No, they played the NL West, but it was Colorado and San Fran. They'll probably play a few teams from the NL East next year.

[spoon]

6. King Hippo thinks he's a comedic writer

I love the "PURCHASE a free taco" line though!

[spoon]

He looks like he's going to be a snooze fest in his post game press conferences. And who cares, as long as he wins.

BTW-I heard Mattingly's press conference as well, and I was 100% WRONG about him yesterday. I thought that he was pouting over not getting the job, and thats not it at all. He handled himself very well, was gracious and complementary to everyone involved, and cleared up the matter totally. He was never guaranteed anything, he was disappointed about not getting the job (who wouldn't be) and he said he'd have no problem coming back to the stadium.

More than I can say for Torre, who wouldn't say whether he'll come back or not.


Oh, so back with Mattingly down with Torre now? Great, I've updated my BDC passing fads/loyalties tracker. Thanks you hairy beast.

[Kevin]

Oh, so back with Mattingly down with Torre now? Great, I've updated my BDC passing fads/loyalties tracker. Thanks you hairy beast.

To be fair.. He has been down with Torre for 3 years now..

[Bulldogcakes]

M. Cabrera to Yankees? It's possible (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/288837.html)

The only problem is, you can't trade Melky, Kennedy and Horne twice. Thats pretty much the price tag for Santana, and if I have a choice between a #1 starter and a top 3B, I'll take the pitcher. If its a package deal with Willis and you throw in some extra players/prospects, maybe it makes more sense. Even in that case, I'd offer the same package to Baltimore first and see if it (or something similar) gets me Bedard and Tejada, who you move to 3B.

There are some question marks with everybody involved. Bedard was unhappy in Baltimore and wants to be dealt. Tejada is coming off a bad year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5888). Willis is coming off a bad year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5470) as well. Cabrera is getting fatter each year, and will likely end up at 1B (which is not the end of the world). If it cost the same either way, I like the Baltimore package better.

BTW-Kev, don't tell me the Yanks and O's don't make deals. They did Wright for Britton just last year.

[Bulldogcakes]

To be fair.. He has been down with Torre for 3 years now..

Since the 05 Angels loss and his post game comments.

[Kevin]

M. Cabrera to Yankees? It's possible (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/288837.html)

The only problem is, you can't trade Melky, Kennedy and Horne twice. Thats pretty much the price tag for Santana, and if I have a choice between a #1 starter and a top 3B, I'll take the pitcher. If its a package deal with Willis and you throw in some extra players/prospects, maybe it makes more sense. Even in that case, I'd offer the same package to Baltimore first and see if it (or something similar) gets me Bedard and Tejada, who you move to 3B.

There are some question marks with everybody involved. Bedard was unhappy in Baltimore and wants to be dealt. Tejada is coming off a bad year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5888). Willis is coming off a bad year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5470) as well. Cabrera is getting fatter each year, and will likely end up at 1B (which is not the end of the world). If it cost the same either way, I like the Baltimore package better.

BTW-Kev, don't tell me the Yanks and O's don't make deals. They did Wright for Britton just last year.

Garbage for garbage is a whole lot different then Tejada or Bedard..

[TheGameHHH]

M. Cabrera to Yankees? It's possible (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/288837.html)

The only problem is, you can't trade Melky, Kennedy and Horne twice. Thats pretty much the price tag for Santana, and if I have a choice between a #1 starter and a top 3B, I'll take the pitcher. If its a package deal with Willis and you throw in some extra players/prospects, maybe it makes more sense. Even in that case, I'd offer the same package to Baltimore first and see if it (or something similar) gets me Bedard and Tejada, who you move to 3B.

There are some question marks with everybody involved. Bedard was unhappy in Baltimore and wants to be dealt. Tejada is coming off a bad year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5888). Willis is coming off a bad year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5470) as well. Cabrera is getting fatter each year, and will likely end up at 1B (which is not the end of the world). If it cost the same either way, I like the Baltimore package better.

BTW-Kev, don't tell me the Yanks and O's don't make deals. They did Wright for Britton just last year.

I love Bedard..........maybe thats because when he isn't injured he's a fantasy stud. But he is often injured, or so it seems. So is that a risk the Yanks are willing to take? I would like Cabrera but his weight really does concern me. Showing up to camp out of shape will effect your on the field play. Willis is comming off a bad year, but i watched a lot of his games last year because I owned him in fantasy and his team hurt him more the he hurt himself. I think he could thrive in the Bronx.

[Bulldogcakes]

Garbage for garbage is a whole lot different then Tejada or Bedard..

True. I always think trades should come down to "Who offers me the most" from the GM's point of view, regardless of where it comes from. But there are exceptions, I just don't see Baltimore as one of them. We haven't been in a pennant race with them since the late 90's.

Its also possible that the team will be better off both next year and in the long run by going with some lower cost alternatives like Joe Crede and keeping the kid pitchers and top prospects. Every time Hank opens his pie hole he seems to be talking about the farm system. But 3 starters in the rotation being rookies sounds like a bit much to me. Young pitchers generally have growing pains or get injured, or both. 3 in the rotation is asking for trouble.

I'm glad I'm not the GM.

[Bulldogcakes]

I love Bedard..........maybe thats because when he isn't injured he's a fantasy stud. But he is often injured, or so it seems. So is that a risk the Yanks are willing to take? I would like Cabrera but his weight really does concern me. Showing up to camp out of shape will effect your on the field play. Willis is comming off a bad year, but i watched a lot of his games last year because I owned him in fantasy and his team hurt him more the he hurt himself. I think he could thrive in the Bronx.

Exactly, there's questions about every one of those guys. Thats why it may make sense to go with lower cost alternatives like Crede at 3B and keep the kids. It just sounds attractive to fill both of your big needs in one big blockbuster deal, but maybe thats not the best way to go.

Willis worries me the most, actually. His velocity was down last year, they kept tinkering with his delivery and he had a really awful year. He sounds like a mess.

[Bulldogcakes]

If anyone cares, Girardis coaching staff is starting to take shape. So far, it looks like these guys, positions subject to change

1B-Tony Pena
3B-Bobby Meachem (anyone remember him from the bad old days?)
Pitching Coach-Mike Harkey
Bullpen Coach-Dave Eiland
Hitting Coach-Kevin Long
Bench Coach-Paul O'Niell

Nice staff. Young staff, which is a big change from the Torre years. A few organization picks, a few Girardi guys. That's about right. O'Niell and Pena might be switched. Kay has been hinting for months that O'Niell would like to be 1B coach. But he and Girardi are tight, so I'll assume bench coach.

[Kevin]

If anyone cares, Girardis coaching staff is starting to take shape. So far, it looks like these guys, positions subject to change

1B-Tony Pena
3B-Bobby Meachem (anyone remember him from the bad old days?)
Pitching Coach-Mike Harkey
Bullpen Coach-Dave Eiland
Hitting Coach-Kevin Long
Bench Coach-Paul O'Niell

Nice staff. Young staff, which is a big change from the Torre years. A few organization picks, a few Girardi guys. That's about right. O'Niell and Pena might be switched. Kay has been hinting for months that O'Niell would like to be 1B coach. But he and Girardi are tight, so I'll assume bench coach.


I thought Rob Thompson would be there..

[Bulldogcakes]

I thought Rob Thompson would be there..

That's right. The Yankee brass love him, he'll be somewhere with the team.

That's nothing official, just what I've been able to piece together from Buster Onley, WFAN, ESPN, etc.

Sweeney Murti said Meachem's the 3B coach. Cashman has been saying Pena wants to come back and they'd love to have him back. Onley mentioned the pitching coach, Kay the O'Niell stuff.

[Kevin]

That's right. The Yankee brass love him, he'll be somewhere with the team.

That's nothing official, just what I've been able to piece together from Buster Onley, WFAN, ESPN, etc.

I kinda heard they have to either give him 1b or Bench to keep him from goin with Torre.. Like they are gunna give Long 3yr 1mil deal to stay..

[Bulldogcakes]

This makes more sense

1B-Paul O'Niell
3B-Bobby Meachem (anyone remember him from the bad old days?)
Pitching Coach-Mike Harkey
Bullpen Coach-Dave Eiland
Hitting Coach-Kevin Long
Bench Coach-Tony Pena

You know, it makes more sense to have Pena as the bench coach. He's experienced, he's good in the clubhouse. O'Niell has zero coaching experience, 1B sounds like a good spot for him.

Still can't figure out where Rob Thompson fits.

[HBox]

Looks like the coaching staff is set. No Paul O'Neill. (http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/30/coaching-staff-for-2008/)

[Doctor Z]

Paul O'Neill on the coaching staff would've given me a boner.

Also, I'm a little disappointed the bench coach is such a young guy. With a 43 year old manager, I feel like we really could've used the presence of a grizzled old veteran baseball man, a la Don Zimmer.

[Doctor Z]

Tony Pena, at 50, is the oldest guy on the entire coaching staff. I'm still a supporter of Girardi as manager, but the COMPLETE lack of veteran experience on this coaching staff worries me a little.

[Bulldogcakes]

Tony Pena, at 50, is the oldest guy on the entire coaching staff. I'm still a supporter of Girardi as manager, but the COMPLETE lack of veteran experience on this coaching staff worries me a little.

Or. . . . . . you can say that clubhouse will have a much different feel to it without the old dinosaurs Torre and his staff were. Maybe now they won't take every April off, like they did under Torre.
Eiland as pitching coach tells you how important Hughes and Joba are. There's NO WAY they move those two. Also expect to see a lot of kids in the bullpen next year.

BTW-Nice find, H.

[spoon]

Or. . . . . . you can say that clubhouse will have a much different feel to it without the old dinosaurs Torre and his staff were. Maybe now they won't take every April off, like they did under Torre.
Eiland as pitching coach tells you how important Hughes and Joba are. There's NO WAY they move those two. Also expect to see a lot of kids in the bullpen next year.

BTW-Nice find, H.


Let me guess, you don't want them to move Hughes and Joba (even though their stock is probably higher than it should be right now) bc YOU don't want them to. And this is why you think this NEW admin for the yank clubhouse will do what YOU want them to do until it backfires and both suck like Joba in the playoffs. Oh I know, bugs, right.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Carton floated something interesting today.

Melky and Hughes or Kennedy for Miggy Cabrera, and sign Torrii Hunter.

[TheMojoPin]

Carton floated something interesting today.

Melky and Hughes or Kennedy for Miggy Cabrera, and sign Torrii Hunter.

That IS interesting, especially since Hunter sucks.

[A.J.]

3B-Bobby Meachem (anyone remember him from the bad old days?)

Why not bring back Pags?

[Doctor Z]

Maybe loyalty DOES still exist in baseball... (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071031&content_id=2289336&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

"It probably wouldn't be real honorable for me not to do anything other than if I shut it down, shut it down or go back and play for the New York Yankees."

Holy shit... HONOR in BASEBALL?! Thank you, Andy.

[Kevin]

Let me guess, you don't want them to move Hughes and Joba (even though their stock is probably higher than it should be right now) bc YOU don't want them to. And this is why you think this NEW admin for the yank clubhouse will do what YOU want them to do until it backfires and both suck like Joba in the playoffs. Oh I know, bugs, right.

Stop it.. Just stop it.. Now your just being silly.. Joba has giving you NO reason to lead you to believe he isn't going to be an absolute stud. He had 1 bad outing, which oh by the way.. HE DID NOT GIVE UP A HIT. And Jorge should have at least blocked ONE of those wild pitches.. The man throw s 97-100 at the knees with control.. with a FILTHY slider and an above avg change.. You do NOT deal him.. If he busts then yea, its a big big step back.. But you cant deal him.. You and the Jays would give your left nuts for the chance to even talk about getting him.. The others like Hughes and Kennedy, yea, you entertain the notion of deal them, if the package is right. But Joba.. Out of the question. You cant deal Sp anymore.. For Santana.. Yes.. Other than that.. No.. You can not get decent Sp anymore, let alone great.. You can always get bats in the open market.. But not #1 #2 starters... I would sacrifice this year of not making the playoffs if it means that we are keeping and developing these arms.. Hell, the Redsox MISSED the playoffs the year before.. The re tooled and won the next year.. Its not the end of the world.. What has these past 3 years given us.. 4 more games?? Not worth fucking up your future..

And how can you blame fans who have not had these type of young prospects in decades, to want to hold on to them and not deal them for high paid vets... Isn't that what you have been screaming about for years?? Yankees always get the high priced guys.. And now that we want to keep our young guys, you still complain.. which is it?? Make up your mind...

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Old Man Petitte is not the Answer

though he had a good year


He is loyal unless the Astros get better

:king:

[Doctor Z]

Old Man Pettitte can still put up 7 scoreless innings in October.

Besides, you do realize he's only 35. He's very young to be talking about retirement.

[Kevin]

Old Man Pettitte can still put up 7 scoreless innings in October.

Besides, you do realize he's only 35. He's very young to be talking about retirement.

Same fans that went gaga over signing old man Pedro..

[Bulldogcakes]

Let me guess, you don't want them to move Hughes and Joba (even though their stock is probably higher than it should be right now) bc YOU don't want them to. And this is why you think this NEW admin for the yank clubhouse will do what YOU want them to do until it backfires and both suck like Joba in the playoffs. Oh I know, bugs, right.

Spoon, if you read what I actually posted, instead of your "all purpose knee jerk reaction" to anything most Yankee fans say, you would have saw that I connected the fact that Eiland was named pitching coach to signal strongly that they're not trading Hughes or Joba.

Maybe you don't know who Dave Eiland is. He was the AAA pitching coach for the Scranton-Wilkes Barres team. The whole idea of naming him PC for the team is to work with the young guys. That wouldn't be necessary if they plan on trading them, now would it?

[Doctor Z]

Don't try reasoning with Spoon, he's got sand in his vagina.

[HBox]

Don't try reasoning with Spoon, he's got sand in his vagina.

And his balls........ his balls......... they are still dry.

[TheGameHHH]

And his balls........ his balls......... they are still dry.

he appears before this thread with dry balls, your honor.

[Bulldogcakes]

I forgot to say Dave "no man is an" Eiland, which is a joke that everyone is required to say when mentioning his name, and hasn't been funny for 20 years.

[Bulldogcakes]

Leyritz makes an ass of himself, begs for coaching job (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312007/sports/yankees/leyritz_lobbies_for_job.htm)



Ech. Some things never change. That one gave me second hand cringes.

[HBox]

I forgot to say Dave "no man is an" Eiland, which is a joke that everyone is required to say when mentioning his name, and hasn't been funny for 20 years.

All right, quit with the Chris Berman channeling. Nobody likes him.

[Kevin]

All right, quit with the Chris Berman channeling. Nobody likes him.

First Morgen, now Berman.. Why is BDC channeling hack ESPN announcers??

[HBox]

First Morgen, now Berman.. Why is BDC channeling hack ESPN announcers??

I know. That's definitely not cooler than the other side of the pillow. OH SNAP! This shit is contagious!

[Snoogans]

I know. That's definitely not cooler than the other side of the pillow. OH SNAP! This shit is contagious!

BOO YAH

[Bulldogcakes]

Somebody give me a proposed lineup, trade possibility, anything. After 2 weeks of intense Yankee news I'm going through detox on a slow night.

[HBox]

Duncan for Pujols. And the Cards pick up all of Pujols salary. DISCUSS!

[Bulldogcakes]

Duncan for Pujols. And the Cards pick up all of Pujols salary. DISCUSS!

WHAT? NOT UNLESS THEY THROW IN ROLAND!!!
I LIKE THIS KID DUMMKOPF. HE'S GOT SPUNK!!
HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN ON-SPUNK PERCENTAGE!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

BOO YAH

JUMANJI

[Kevin]

Duncan for Pujols. And the Cards pick up all of Pujols salary. DISCUSS!

Carpenter is coming off an injury, so we could prob get him thrown in for Igawa.. And Shelly could be reunited with his pops and Bro.. so i think it could happen..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did anyone hear Norton's comment on Joe Beningo on Today's show?

[Snoogans]

JUMANJI

I AM THE GREATEST IN ALL THE LAND FOR AS FAR AS THIS BALL SHALL TRAVEL

[JPMNICK]

JUMANJI

bring me your finest meats and cheeses for a clubhouse feast

[Tenbatsuzen]

bring me your finest meats and cheeses for a clubhouse feast

SALSA!

[HBox]

bring me your finest meats and cheeses for a clubhouse feast

SAY HALLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

[spoon]

Stop it.. Just stop it.. Now your just being silly.. Joba has giving you NO reason to lead you to believe he isn't going to be an absolute stud. He had 1 bad outing, which oh by the way.. HE DID NOT GIVE UP A HIT. And Jorge should have at least blocked ONE of those wild pitches.. The man throw s 97-100 at the knees with control.. with a FILTHY slider and an above avg change.. You do NOT deal him.. If he busts then yea, its a big big step back.. But you cant deal him.. You and the Jays would give your left nuts for the chance to even talk about getting him.. The others like Hughes and Kennedy, yea, you entertain the notion of deal them, if the package is right. But Joba.. Out of the question. You cant deal Sp anymore.. For Santana.. Yes.. Other than that.. No.. You can not get decent Sp anymore, let alone great.. You can always get bats in the open market.. But not #1 #2 starters... I would sacrifice this year of not making the playoffs if it means that we are keeping and developing these arms.. Hell, the Redsox MISSED the playoffs the year before.. The re tooled and won the next year.. Its not the end of the world.. What has these past 3 years given us.. 4 more games?? Not worth fucking up your future..

And how can you blame fans who have not had these type of young prospects in decades, to want to hold on to them and not deal them for high paid vets... Isn't that what you have been screaming about for years?? Yankees always get the high priced guys.. And now that we want to keep our young guys, you still complain.. which is it?? Make up your mind...

Hmmmm, where to start? Ok first, no. Next, if by "absolute stud" you mean a 5.40 era, 2 walks, 2 wild pitches, and a blown save to boot over 1.2 innings pitched I say touche. Or perhaps the next game where he gave up 3 HITS, 1 walk, and another earned run to bring his era down to 4.91.....yah he's great in the playoffs. Perhaps he just can't handle the big lights of NYC. Oh and remember, he's supposed to be a starter next year and that's a whole new ballgame. You act as if he even went a decent cycle in the majors to know anything! Sorry, it's WAY too early.

Next, who said I think you should trade those pitchers!? Not me, not even close. I simply stated that BDC makes things a reality of things he's guessing on bc he wants them to verify his hunches. He's all over the fucking place at the end of every fucking season and it's hilarious. I think the yanks would be dumb to move those two....unless....unless they get top quality proven stuff for them. If so, you're trading possible (albeit younger) talent for already proven talent. It's a win even if the kids pan out, and let's face it, most simply don't hold up to what you're making these two out to be. I remember the Jays hitting Hughes all over yankee stadium the second time through the lineup in his first start. What will happen now that all the teams have a ALDS+ scouting report on him, and when Joba is heavily relied on, not on Joba rules?

Finally this gem, "You and the Jays would give your left nuts for the chance to even talk about getting him..". That's funny, I guess you didn't watch much baseball outside of yankee land. Take a look at bullpen and starting pitching across the league. The Jays were almost the top in every category all year long (2nd ERA, 1st Complete Games, 3rd Saves, 2nd hits against, 2nd runs/earned runs, 4th in walks allowed, 2nd fewest WPs or Jobas, 1 for GO/AO ratio, 2 in WHIP, 1 in SLG against, 2 in OBA, 2 in Avg against, 6th in Ks). They did this while down their Ace for a month, their number #2 for two months, their season starting #3 for the whole year, their setup man for more than half the year, and their closer pretty much the whole damn year! How the hell did they manage that? Marcum, McGowan, Litsch, Janssen, Wolfe and Accardo all managed to pitch like grizzled vets so you can lick my left nut as the Jays have ton more prospects on the farm as well. And our fucking kids weren't on JOBA RULES and actually did show their stuff for almost a full year. So seriously, lick my ball, Cartman style you dirty cunt! :devil2:

Oh and how's that for logic you slutty yankee taint lickers? :nono:

[Snoogans]

spoon just put the biscuit in the basket

[Tenbatsuzen]

Welcome to the feel good edition, I'm Matty Fridays.

[Kevin]

SAY HALLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

Do NOT go in there.. WOOOOOOOOOO

[Tenbatsuzen]

yahtzee!!

[Snoogans]

what scott stapp is to creed, tenbatz is to this board

[Kevin]

Hmmmm, where to start? Ok first, no. Next, if by "absolute stud" you mean a 5.40 era, 2 walks, 2 wild pitches, and a blown save to boot over 1.2 innings pitched I say touche. Or perhaps the next game where he gave up 3 HITS, 1 walk, and another earned run to bring his era down to 4.91.....yah he's great in the playoffs. Perhaps he just can't handle the big lights of NYC. Oh and remember, he's supposed to be a starter next year and that's a whole new ballgame. You act as if he even went a decent cycle in the majors to know anything! Sorry, it's WAY too early.

Next, who said I think you should trade those pitchers!? Not me, not even close. I simply stated that BDC makes things a reality of things he's guessing on bc he wants them to verify his hunches. He's all over the fucking place at the end of every fucking season and it's hilarious. I think the yanks would be dumb to move those two....unless....unless they get top quality proven stuff for them. If so, you're trading possible (albeit younger) talent for already proven talent. It's a win even if the kids pan out, and let's face it, most simply don't hold up to what you're making these two out to be. I remember the Jays hitting Hughes all over yankee stadium the second time through the lineup in his first start. What will happen now that all the teams have a ALDS+ scouting report on him, and when Joba is heavily relied on, not on Joba rules?

Finally this gem, "You and the Jays would give your left nuts for the chance to even talk about getting him..". That's funny, I guess you didn't watch much baseball outside of yankee land. Take a look at bullpen and starting pitching across the league. The Jays were almost the top in every category all year long (2nd ERA, 1st Complete Games, 3rd Saves, 2nd hits against, 2nd runs/earned runs, 4th in walks allowed, 2nd fewest WPs or Jobas, 1 for GO/AO ratio, 2 in WHIP, 1 in SLG against, 2 in OBA, 2 in Avg against, 6th in Ks). They did this while down their Ace for a month, their number #2 for two months, their season starting #3 for the whole year, their setup man for more than half the year, and their closer pretty much the whole damn year! How the hell did they manage that? Marcum, McGowan, Litsch, Janssen, Wolfe and Accardo all managed to pitch like grizzled vets so you can lick my left nut as the Jays have ton more prospects on the farm as well. And our fucking kids weren't on JOBA RULES and actually did show their stuff for almost a full year. So seriously, lick my ball, Cartman style you dirty cunt! :devil2:

Oh and how's that for logic you slutty yankee taint lickers? :nono:

His playoff stats were inflated by Mr arm killer fucking him up by throwing him for 2 inn and a combined 5 inn in like 3 days.. He was in the trainers room icing his arm for hours and his velocity was down to 92.. And btw can you make your point without being an absolute bitter ass bag??? Just make your point and move along.. You care more about our team then yours. You closet Yankee fan

[Tenbatsuzen]

what scott stapp is to creed, tenbatz is to this board

You mean, without me it would be a horrible failure? Thanks so much, Shawn.

[Snoogans]

You mean, without me it would be a horrible failure? Thanks so much, Shawn.

i was just tryin to quote buccigross, and its Shaun


now go tell pookie and ray ray

[spoon]

Spoon, if you read what I actually posted, instead of your "all purpose knee jerk reaction" to anything most Yankee fans say, you would have saw that I connected the fact that Eiland was named pitching coach to signal strongly that they're not trading Hughes or Joba.

Maybe you don't know who Dave Eiland is. He was the AAA pitching coach for the Scranton-Wilkes Barres team. The whole idea of naming him PC for the team is to work with the young guys. That wouldn't be necessary if they plan on trading them, now would it?


Hmmmm, no ides what your talking about, right. Well, I only know 90% of the people that manage that stadium and used to work their when I was a kid. So, whenever I go home I hit games there in the press box/or party boxes for free and have actually met your vunderboy Eiland multiple times since my dad all but runs the local paper with his crew that cover what used to be the Red Barons.

So once again BDC, great point. Try to twist my ripping you about your logic and the reasoning behind all these points that you make up. I guess it isn't possible he just showed he was capable and ready to move up, not just coming up bc he's chumming with the kids. That would be fucking retarded. I'm sure they won't trade a soul bc you think the move was solely based on their love for each other.

Maybe you don't know who Dave Eiland is, huh? Dumb fuck.

[Tenbatsuzen]

From way downtown... BANG.

[Snoogans]

en fuego

[TheMojoPin]

Just read some rumblings that the Fish might be looking to deal Cabrera over the winter. If he got along with Joe, I'm gonna bet money that's who the Yankees focus on going after for 3rd base.

[HBox]

The other team's quarterback must go down and he must go down hard.

[Kevin]

Just read some rumblings that the Fish might be looking to deal Cabrera over the winter. If he got along with Joe, I'm gonna bet money that's who the Yankees focus on going after for 3rd base.

No.. I think Girardi didnt like him while he was in Fla.. He is said to be hard to manage.. He is getting fatter every year and wont be a 3b much longer..

[Snoogans]

He Could Go All The Wayyyyyy

[HBox]

That's levitation, homes.

[Bulldogcakes]

Hmmmm, no ides what your talking about, right. Well, I only know 90% of the people that manage that stadium and used to work their when I was a kid. So, whenever I go home I hit games there in the press box/or party boxes for free and have actually met your vunderboy Eiland multiple times since my dad all but runs the local paper with his crew that cover what used to be the Red Barons.

So once again BDC, great point. Try to twist my ripping you about your logic and the reasoning behind all these points that you make up. I guess it isn't possible he just showed he was capable and ready to move up, not just coming up bc he's chumming with the kids. That would be fucking retarded. I'm sure they won't trade a soul bc you think the move was solely based on their love for each other.

Maybe you don't know who Dave Eiland is, huh? Dumb fuck.


Spoon, get therapy. Really.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Glub Glub Glub.











































































...well, it was the only thing Tom Mees was known for...

[spoon]

Glub Glub Glub.











































































...well, it was the only thing Tom Mees was known for...



So fucking wrong!

[spoon]

Spoon, get therapy. Really.

Oh, you don't have to get mad.

[HBox]

Sweet Sassy Molassy!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I can read his lips, and he is not praying.

[HBox]

Get out the checkbook and pay grandma for the rubdown!

[TheMojoPin]

No.. I think Girardi didnt like him while he was in Fla.. He is said to be hard to manage.. He is getting fatter every year and wont be a 3b much longer..

Well, maybe the Yankee "regime" is what he needs to get back on track. And he'd be a hell of a DH...though I still think the Yanks should sign Bonds for that.

[lleeder]

How many months of this til opening day? :wallbash: