New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[Bulldogcakes]

are there male cheerleaders going thru the names of players right now?

i heard derek jeter (clap clap clapclapclapP
Arod Arod (clap clap clapclapclap)

seriously???

That's section 39 of the bleachers. They do Roll call. Something they started a few years back, now its a Yankee stadium tradition.

[ChrisTheCop]

Never noticed it before.
Only noticed today cuz I thought they were saying o and a, o and a, at 1st...

gay.

holy crap look at those sideburns

[Doctor Z]

I dunno guys, Moose has already had 2 excellent starts since coming back from his stint on the bench. I feel like if he has another good one today, I gotta put him in the post-season rotation. What other realistic choices do you have?

[lleeder]

Never noticed it before.
Only noticed today cuz I thought they were saying o and a, o and a, at 1st...

gay.

holy crap look at those sideburns

Its like a stadium tradition now. I heard the Mets fans are already ripping it off at Shea.

[ChrisTheCop]

I just wanted to have post #2004 in this thread

damn you lleeder.

but ok...2005 works. twas the year we got our rings right before your eyes.

[Doctor Z]

And just like the Red Sox in September, you've failed.

:smile:

[ChrisTheCop]

And just like the Red Sox in September, you've failed.

:smile:

make a note of that. dr z badmouthed someone other than the yankees.

(ck back at 5 to see him back on track)

[Doctor Z]

Well you won't find me doing it in the Red Sox thread! I'll get my ass kicked!

I'm staying here, where it's safe.

[ChrisTheCop]

Speaking of which, I gotta go.
Theres a real game on in 2 minutes.

[Doctor Z]

Real games start at 1:05.

[Doctor Z]

I dunno guys, Moose has already had 2 excellent starts since coming back from his stint on the bench. I feel like if he has another good one today, I gotta put him in the post-season rotation. What other realistic choices do you have?

Jinxed it.


My bad.

[Bulldogcakes]

He can't get the Blue Jay lineup out, half of whom is on the DL. Can you imagine how shellacked he'll get vs CLE or LAA?

[Doctor Z]

nnnnEL CAPITAN!

Am I watching a Yankees Encore of last night's game?

[Bulldogcakes]

They're pushing Clemens up to Tuesday now, Pettite will start tomorrow. I don't know when or if Kennedy will start again, maybe he'll get the last game of the year next sunday so Torre can set up his rotation for the playoffs. Or maybe if they scratch Clemens from his next scheduled start, which would have been friday. Clemens likes the extra rest now, plus his hammy is bugging him, maybe tuesday is his last start before the playoffs.

[Doctor Z]

Jinxed it.


My bad.

UNjinxed it, by acknowledging that I jinxed it!

[Doctor Z]

Dear God, If there's any justice in the world, let the Devil Rays hold on to ONE fucking lead against the Sox this year.

[Doctor Z]

Wow... 7-3, 2 outs, no one on... and Viz just couldn't figure out how to get that last out. Now he loses his confidence, we have to break the "rules" to use Joba, and we're probably gonna need Mo for the 3rd day in a row. Why does our bullpen suck so hard?

[Bulldogcakes]

Joba the House!

[Doctor Z]

I hate to be a hack and make more Mariano comparisons, cuz lord knows it's been done every year for the last decade. But in 12 seasons, I honestly haven't seen anyone this automatic since Mariano. And it looks like Joba might have a shot to pick up his first major league save.

Make this guy a starter? That's what they said about Papelbon...

[Doctor Z]

While I'm on my knees slobbering away, might as well throw in the fact that Joba knows exactly how to answer questions too. He's excitable on the field, but when the mic is in front of him he stays humble and says all the right things. It's unbelievable that he's pitched as much as he has (what is it now, 20 innings? More?), and still given up ONE earned run... ONE. That shit's retarded.

[Bulldogcakes]

OK I think I figured out the Clemens thing. Pettite goes tomorrow, Clemens Tuesday, Wang Wednesday and Hughes Thursday. Friday Mussina is scheduled.

Saturday? Clemens is scheduled, but thats not going to happen. Figure Kennedy takes that one. Pettite can go on Sunday for the season finale and not have to pitch again for a week. Likely playoff rotation is Wang Game 1(Thursday), Clemens 2 (Friday), Pettite 3 (Sunday), Mussina 4 (Monday), Wang 5 (Wednesday). Even if Yanks get the B slot (unlikely) you just push all these up one day, which is still at least 6 days rest, for most more.

Kennedy should get one more start next Saturday.

[Kevin]

Where the hell was Z today?? He was really quiet..

[RogerDornShortHops]

That's section 39 of the bleachers. They do Roll call. Something they started a few years back, now its a Yankee stadium tradition.

I had the Saturday package this yr so have been in the Bleachers for almost every Saturday home game this season. The roll call is the best fan tradition in sports.

Problem......some douchebags have gotten some of the section 39 crew tossed from the game couple weeks back for doing the "Box seats suck" chant after the roll call and "Why are you gay?" during YMCA to someone in the bleachers wearing an opposing teams wardrobe. Can this fuckin country get anymore pussy?

The role call should start including Joba's dad at the end. "Mr. Chamb-ber-lin!"

[Bulldogcakes]

I had the Saturday package this yr so have been in the Bleachers for almost every Saturday home game this season. The roll call is the best fan tradition in sports.

Problem......some douchebags have gotten some of the section 39 crew tossed from the game couple weeks back for doing the "Box seats suck" chant after the roll call and "Why are you gay?" during YMCA to someone in the bleachers wearing an opposing teams wardrobe. Can this fuckin country get anymore pussy?

The role call should start including Joba's dad at the end. "Mr. Chamb-ber-lin!"

I'm buying some 39s if I can get them next year. I usually sit right next to them in the 300's and 1) They have a lot of fun over there 2) Fuckers are one section over, I pay $53 each for my seats and they pay $12 each for theirs. Best deal in the ballpark.

[RogerDornShortHops]

I'm buying some 39s if I can get them next year. I usually sit right next to them in the 300's and 1) They have a lot of fun over there 2) Fuckers are one section over, I pay $53 each for my seats and they pay $12 each for theirs. Best deal in the ballpark.

Yeah, this yr I paid $120 for the 12 games, saw probably best games of the yr (last nights, A-Rod's walk off grandslam, A-Rod's 500, Karsten's broken leg against Red Sox), AND I get first dibs w/ rest of plan holders on playoff & WS tix this week.

It was the best $$$ I've ever spent in my life.

[Tenbatsuzen]

gay.

holy crap look at those sideburns


Yeah, modquote.

[TheGameHHH]

Yeah, this yr I paid $120 for the 12 games, saw probably best games of the yr (last nights, A-Rod's walk off grandslam, A-Rod's 500, Karsten's broken leg against Red Sox), AND I get first dibs w/ rest of plan holders on playoff & WS tix this week.

It was the best $$$ I've ever spent in my life.

I sat in 39 3 saturdays this year, literally two rows behind the guy that starts the roll. they were free everytime so that was def. nice. i love the roll call, it really is a great tradition. any fan of the Yankees needs to experience the bleacher creatures first hand. i was in section 39 for A-rod's 500th. its just incredible.

[Bossanova]

Just read this on espn.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3033203

[TheGameHHH]

I just heard the Yanks named Jeter captain

[Bulldogcakes]

He meant well. Didn't your Momma teach you not to make fun of the slow kids?

[Bossanova]

Damn you all. I dont read this blasted thread, how would I know this was discussed.

[TheGameHHH]

He meant well. Didn't your Momma teach you not to make fun of the slow kids?

hahahaha, she did. i wasnt trying to be mean, i was just busting chops.

[Kevin]

Damn you all. I dont read this blasted thread, how would I know this was discussed.

Lay off Boss.. He is a Met fan.. So ya know..

[Bossanova]

Lay off Boss.. He is a Met fan.. So ya know..

At least we have our MVP locked up you prick

[TheGameHHH]

that was a little bit of a lazy play by A-rod, cost the Yanks some runs here in the top of the 2nd.

[Doctor Z]

The Blue Jays did something clever today... We switched it up on them and swapped Clemens for Pettitte... So Toronto said, "Forget Burnett... What's the Yankees' greatest weakness? That's right! No-name pitchers with losing records."

That's evil, Toronto. That's evil. You KNOW how much this game means to us.

[Doctor Z]

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/cyyoung.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

The Blue Jays did something clever today... We switched it up on them and swapped Clemens for Pettitte... So Toronto said, "Forget Burnett... What's the Yankees' greatest weakness? That's right! No-name pitchers with losing records."

That's evil, Toronto. That's evil. You KNOW how much this game means to us.

its literally comical to me how these pitchers with losing records have baffled the Yanks bats this season. I'm going to the game in Tampa tomorrow and I really hope Josh Hammel doesnt have a stud outing.

[Doctor Z]

The division teetered entirely on today's game. I think that's why we started Pettitte... A win makes it 1.0, a loss makes it 2.0. Basically today was absolutely must-win if we wanted a shot at the AL East. So pitching Lytch was a brilliant move.

The only way we win the division now is if we go 5-1 or better, and Boston goes 3-3 or worse, which seems HIGHLY unlikely, especially since we're on the road and they're in Fenway.

[Doctor Z]

The good news is, there's no shitty pitchers in the playoffs.

[Freitag]

The good news is, there's no shitty pitchers in the playoffs.

Kyle Farsnworth?
Mike Mussina?
The entire New York Mets Bullpen?

[Freitag]

Carton floated an interesting idea:

Throwing teams off in the playoffs by having Mariano do the 8th and Joba the 9th.

[Doctor Z]

Kyle Farsnworth?
Mike Mussina?
The entire New York Mets Bullpen?

I meant opposing pitchers.

[JPMNICK]

Carton floated an interesting idea:

Throwing teams off in the playoffs by having Mariano do the 8th and Joba the 9th.

i was talking to a few friends about that this weekend. I think he is a better 9th inning pitcher, and he can pitch 2 innings much better than Mariano.

I think Mariano in the 7th or 8th, and then Joba to finish it.

i really wonder if they are going to let him be a starter next year or realize he is a great reliever and leave him there

[JPMNICK]

that new pitcher in the 9th inning looked pretty good. I think he came over in the Randy Johnson trade. he is young and throws some heat with good movement

[Doctor Z]

Well, that was alltogether a PISS POOR effort in a must-win game. What a shame. Came back from 14.5 back, just to let Boston take the division anyway.

[JPMNICK]

Well, that was alltogether a PISS POOR effort in a must-win game. What a shame. Came back from 14.5 back, just to let Boston take the division anyway.

I really do not think boston gives a shit. they are in the playoffs. they are not rushing okajima out there, or rushing manny back. they are being smart and saving them for the playoffs.

[Doctor Z]

It's more for bragging rights than anything else, but it sure would be nice to have home field in the ALCS.

[lleeder]

Well, that was alltogether a PISS POOR effort in a must-win game. What a shame. Came back from 14.5 back, just to let Boston take the division anyway.

Must win is a little extreme don't ya think.

[Doctor Z]

Must-win for the division, not to make the playoffs.

[RogerDornShortHops]

For all Yankees full or partial season ticket holders, don't forget.........tomorrow at 10AM is the playoff tix pre-sale!!!!

[lleeder]

I registered for that online playoff ticket lottery thing. I wonder if I'll get picked.

[Bulldogcakes]

that new pitcher in the 9th inning looked pretty good. I think he came over in the Randy Johnson trade. he is young and throws some heat with good movement

Russ Ohlendorf. Very good looking stuff. Didn't do much this year at AAA, so they made him a reliever and they think he'll be very effective in that role. Love his stuff, so far he's been very effective, much better than Veras, who I cant for the life of me figure out what they see in him. Hate his delivery even more than Clippard's, and I could barely watch him.

Thats also why I believe this is Joe's last year, unless he wins/gets to the World Series. Next years starting rotation promises to have 3/5 of it be very young. Even if they pull off a trade, 2 of the 5 will be pretty much rookies. And the next crop of prospects coming out of AAA next year (Horne, Marquez, JB Cox, Sanchez) will be all bullpen guys, on top of Edwar and Ohlendorf that are here now. Joe and young pitchers, in particular BULLPEN pitchers is a bad fit. He's simply not the right guy for where this organization is headed. As the Joba rules showed, these young guys are too valuable and they don't trust Torre with them. Plus Joe stabbed Cashman in the back by leaking the Joba rules to the press, and Cash was furious about it. That's why I think he'll be gone. The only way he stays is if he makes it impossible for them to fire him, and that means World Series. I posted an article by Jason Stark about a week ago, he had the odds of Joe returning at 4/5. Less than even money he's back.

[Bulldogcakes]

Must-win for the division, not to make the playoffs.

As of right now the Wild card is the place to be if you want Cleveland in the first round. CLE has the best record in the AL. If the Yanks take the division and the Bosox are the WC, they would get CLE and we would get stuck with the Angels.

[sailor]

As of right now the Wild card is the place to be if you want Cleveland in the first round. CLE has the best record in the AL. If the Yanks take the division and the Bosox are the WC, they would get CLE and we would get stuck with the Angels.

cleveland and anaheim are virtually tied. it's a half-game difference. waaay too early to extrapolate from that.

[lleeder]

cleveland and anaheim are virtually tied. it's a half-game difference. waaay too early to extrapolate from that.

This thread is based solely on early extrapolation.

[Doctor Z]

One time I extrapolated on your mom.




...early.

[Bulldogcakes]

cleveland and anaheim are virtually tied. it's a half-game difference. waaay too early to extrapolate from that.

1 in the loss, baby. But you're right, it could all change a lot in the next week. Which is why you don't know whether to go for the division or not. But we all know what Torre will do. In Joe's case, he's never met an off day he didn't take. Even if there is a game scheduled that day.

[sailor]

This thread is based solely on early extrapolation.

totally correct. who do ya think will be the starters for the bos-ny alcs?

[Bulldogcakes]

totally correct. who do ya think will be the starters for the bos-ny alcs?

Boston gets picked off. They're out of gas.

You heard it here first.

[sailor]

Boston gets picked off. They're out of gas.

You heard it here first.

i'd much rather face them than the angels, so i hope you're wrong.

[Bulldogcakes]

i'd much rather face them than the angels, so i hope you're wrong.

I hope so too. But if I had to put money on it, I'd go
Yanks-Beat Cleveland
LAA-Beats Red Sox
LAA-Beats Yanks

And then we have something hideous like a LAA-San Diego World series. A California Subway series, AMTRAK style. But at least Torre will be fired, so its not a total loss.

[Bulldogcakes]

Uh oh (http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/)

Ian Kennedy is shut down for the year. Not sure why yet.

I hope its nothing serious. I've read he's reaching his innings limit, so with him pulling his back they might have just figured to call it a year. Plus, he's getting married in early October.

[Kevin]

Judging by this...

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/baseball/mlb/09/24/bc.bba.yankees.wizardof.ap/t1_0924_yankees_ap.jpg

I do not think Kennedy is too bad..

[Doctor Z]

That might be the most disturbing baseball photo since this:

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2006-02-28-inside-bonds.jpg







Also, magic number's 1.

[Doctor Z]

Well, looks like Torre is officially conceding the division.

Starting tonight for the New York Yankees...

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/igawamonkey.jpg

[lleeder]

Well, looks like Torre is officially conceding the division.

Starting tonight for the New York Yankees...

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/igawamonkey.jpg

I 'll believe Igawa wins when... you know the rest.

[Bulldogcakes]

I really should know better than to post this. . .











Because the minute I do, he'll get bombed. . . .














Nah, better not. . . . . . . . .















Oh come on Steve, you're not superstitious . . . . . . . .














Igawa's been pretty good tonight

[Doctor Z]

That screaming fat guy sitting behind home plate is genuine horse's ass.

[Doctor Z]

I'm gonna treat this like a perfect game...

so.... I'll be over at the end of the bench... Not talking to anybody.

[zildjian361]

AROD #53 will he pass the MICK'S #54 are we WILD YET? :drunk::smoke::clap:

[zildjian361]

That screaming fat guy sitting behind home plate is genuine horse's ass.

DZ Yeah i just seen that fool in the BRONX he would already got his ass kicked under the L BY STANS :tongue::drunk::smoke::drunk:

[Doctor Z]

YAY MIDDLE RELIEF!

[Doctor Z]

You know what's great about Bruney? His ability to throw strikes.

[Bulldogcakes]

I want to kick Bruney in his fat nutsack right now.

[Fezticle98]

A Grand Slam by Jorge!!! Velandia
:thumbup:

[Doctor Z]

This game seriously just gave me a headache.

How the FUCK does a 5-0 lead against the Devil Rays in the 6th inning turn into THIS?! HOW?! I'm SO FUCKING FURIOUS right now. I wanna throw up. DISGUSTING.

[Doctor Z]

Inexcusable.



I have nothing else to say.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Inexcusable.



I have nothing else to say.

Inconsolable?

[JPMNICK]

Inexcusable.



I have nothing else to say.

get it out now, because in a week when the playoffs starts this shit means a 1st round exit.

good thing is Igawa did not look horrid tonight, but those middle relievers are terrible.

if it is not Starter - Joba - Mariano they are fucked

[Freitag]

get it out now, because in a week when the playoffs starts this shit means a 1st round exit.

good thing is Igawa did not look horrid tonight, but those middle relievers are terrible.

if it is not Starter - Joba - Mariano they are fucked

I think you're overestimating. A lot of the Yankee middle-relief woes have been from guys who aren't making the post-season roster.

Guys like Bruney aren't going to october.

1) Posada
2) Giambi
3) Mancave
4) Cano
5) Jeter
6) A-Rod
7) Abreu
8) Damon
9) Melky
10) Matsui
11) Molina
12) Betemit


13) Pettite
14) Wang
15) Mussina
16) Joba
17) Mo
18) Clemens
19) Viz
20) Villone
21) Farnsworth
22) Hughes

That leaves three spots. If Kennedy isn't completely shut down, he probably gets one, and that leaves two spots for another bat (Duncan?) and MAYBE Igawa or Edwar.

[Freitag]

You know, I was kind of impressed with Igawa's performance last night, but I forgot two things:

1) He was playing against the Rays

2) He didn't have a crowd or a playoff atmosphere to distract him.

I don't think he's making the playoff roster, but I mean, who are you gonna take? Karstens?

I realized last night what the reason is I don't like Igawa. It's not because of his performance. It's just because he looks stupid on the mound. And I don't mean he looks funny or weird, I really mean he looks stupid or dumb.

[RogerDornShortHops]

Anyone else get playoff/World Series tix yesterday? The pricing was absolutely ridiculous.

[Doctor Z]

J.P. Howell
LHP
Record: 1-5
ERA: 6.7


I smell a 2-hit shutout.

[Doctor Z]

Well, with the walk to Duncan, there goes the perfect game...

BUT THE NO-HITTER'S STILL IN TACT!

[Fezticle98]

Anyone else get playoff/World Series tix yesterday? The pricing was absolutely ridiculous.

I wouldn't worry about those World Series tickets.

Well, with the walk to Duncan, there goes the perfect game...

BUT THE NO-HITTER'S STILL IN TACT!

Are you trying to jinx a no-hitter in the 3rd inning?

[Doctor Z]

Not quite. I'm just making fun of the fact that the Yankees get destroyed by awful pitchers like clockwork. If they have a losing record and an ERA above 6, we're done for.

[Doctor Z]

But I guess I was trying to jinx it too. :wink:

[zildjian361]

WE PLAY TODAY WE WIN TODAY. :clap:

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/andrei_martin/blog3/deadpoets2.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

i cant believe theyve scored 2 runs so far, its unreal. i was fully expecting a shutout

[Bulldogcakes]

Anyone else get playoff/World Series tix yesterday? The pricing was absolutely ridiculous.

I did. My fucking computer froze at 10 am because of some fucking javascript and it took me a half hour to get it going again. I was literally screaming my lungs out like a maniac at the piece of shit.
But I did pretty well actually, some 300's and some good 2nd level ones. If I use them all, I spent around $800. I really don't care about the pricing, its the playoffs. Go look at what they sell for on Stubhub. They sell for triple face value or more. Thats what the Yanks could get if they wanted to.

[Bulldogcakes]

Cleveland's up 9-2. Angels lost already today. So its pretty certain the Yanks will play Cleveland in the ALDS, they're 4 ahead with 5 to play. It would take a miracle for them to pass them.

Cleveland it is. Boston gets LAA. Bosox are 6-3 this season vs the Angels, and I think the Yanks swept CLE in the games they played this season. So you have to like their chances.

My only question is Boston out of gas. Manny, Ortiz, Dice-K, Okijima. All have been injured or running on fumes lately. Plus, I wonder how Paps shoulder is holding up. If they're healthy, they should win. They seem to usually match up well against LAA.

[Doctor Z]

I'm so glad Marc Ecco put an asterisk on Bonds' ball and donated it to the HOF. That is fucking amazing.

Jeter and Posada are filthy tonight.

I think we're in. And I think we're playing Cleveland. Praise Jesus.

[Sarge]

It looks like LAA vs Boston and Yankees vs Cleveland

[Bulldogcakes]

I think we can officially add Vizcaino's name to the list of pitchers who's arm Torre has completely destroyed.

If he comes in to a post season game and blows a lead in the 7th, I hope Cashman fires Torre before the 8th. Just slaps his hat off his head and says "get the fuck out of my dugout!". And then he puts on a jersey and manages the rest of the game himself.

[Bulldogcakes]

Vizcaino's splits

Month ERA
June 0.77
July 1.62
August 1.39
September 10.50


I'm going to throw a party either way this year. When the Yanks win it all or when they fire Joe Torre.

[Doctor Z]

It's funny, cuz just last night (when we still had a shot at the division), Torre was not willing, under any circumstances, to use Viz, Joba, or Mo, in a 5-2 game (or even later in a tie game). But the very next night, with a 12-2 lead, it's perfectly okay to use all 3 of them. :thumbup:

[TheGameHHH]

We've all sat around this season and joked about the Yankees of 2007 and their obvious flaws. But i really wanna say that I'm impressed this ball club is going to the postseason. When they were 21-29 or 14 1/2 games out of the East, we all knew things were looking bleak and October might not be a reality. But the fact that these guys sacked up and played outstanding second half baseball says a lot about the type of character this team has. It's always my firm belief that once the postseason starts and everybody is 0-0 it's anybodys title to win, and i'll take my chances with this ball club. I'm excited for the playoffs, and im jealous that some of you guys got tickets to see games. I feel like we should pop a bottle of champagne tonight and all reflect on this season.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1336465&postcount=1936

"It's why you play the game."

[JPMNICK]

ok playoff time. lets keep Giambi on the bench, and Viz off the mound.

[Doctor Z]

I'm not gonna be that guy who pretends "I HAD FAITH ALL ALONG!" and "I NEVER GAVE UP ON THIS TEAM!" So don't try to catch me there Tenbats. In fact, before I began this post, I started digging back through the thread to find my post about how unrealistic it's gonna be to try and make the playoffs. I will be the first to admit I counted this team out. But here's the thing, SO DID EVERYONE.



The fact that I genuinely thought this team was done, out, and down for the count, makes me appreciate getting into October that much more.

I propose a gang of the regulars in this thread meet up for at least one game in the city. Who's in?!

[Doctor Z]

Ah, here's that post i was looking for:

The Wild Card team is realistically gonna need to win 95 games.

For the Yankees to win 95 games, their second half needs to look like this:
53-24

Well, we found a way to do it. We took 2 of 3 and 3 of 4 pretty damn consistently. I believe, as of now, we're 49-24 for the second half.

I LIVE FOR THIS! (And I loathe Dane Cook).

[Tenbatsuzen]

But here's the thing, SO DID EVERYONE.





I didn't. The closest you can get from me is "I dunno" or "cautiously optimistic". I know damn well never to count this team out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And people can't seem the grasp the obvious: Even with A-Rod's monster season, chances are VERY slim we are making the playoffs.

that's about the most negativity you'll get from me. Very slim, but never counting them out.

[Doctor Z]

Okay, you win. You're the best (and prettiest) fan here.

[Tenbatsuzen]

LOL... SO MUCH FOR GOING BY THE NUMBERS!

Kiss that playoff pipedream goodnight. Yesterday's game kicked off another 8-game losing streak.

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THERE IS NO GOD.


4) I said that the Yankees playoff hopes are "slim". I didn't give up on the season, and I still haven't given up on it; my hopes were raised once when they got hot earlier this season and fell apart. I don't want to see that again.

My hopes won't be "solidified" until we're either 2-3 games out of first or the wildcard by mid-August. "Striking distance" as it were.


Let's just rape Minnesota.

Whatever he's doing now doesn't mean shit to me unless he can do it in the postseason. If the Yankees go through this rollercoaster year, make the playoffs by the grace of God, and then A-Rod grows a magic vagina again, then fuck it. Let him opt out.




...and masturbating's for EVERYONE.

....

[TheGameHHH]

i think im gonna take a few days off from baseball, catch up on life and maybe finish a book before the playoffs start. i'll post back in here before game 1.

[TheGameHHH]

wait, i lied.........

real quick before I take my mini-hiatus I wanted to share a quote from A-rod tonight during the Yanks locker room celebration. This will add some fuel to the fire before the season ends. Here's what Mr. MVP said: "This feels like home. It’s hard to believe that I played for another two organizations. So much has happened to me here, adversity, some success, that I feel like anything but New York feels weird for me now.”


now im gone

[Doctor Z]

wait, i lied.........

real quick before I take my mini-hiatus I wanted to share a quote from A-rod tonight during the Yanks locker room celebration. This will add some fuel to the fire before the season ends. Here's what Mr. MVP said: "This feels like home. It’s hard to believe that I played for another two organizations. So much has happened to me here, adversity, some success, that I feel like anything but New York feels weird for me now.”


now im gone

Damn, when did he say THAT? I watched the whole post-game on YES and didn't catch that.

[Doctor Z]

Wow, it kinda just occurred to me because it was overshadowed by the whole clinching thing...
Tonight's win was Wang's 19th.

Back-to-back 19-win seasons... Poor guy just can't get that 20th win. Perhaps Mike Mussina can offer him some consolation.

[A.J.]

wait, i lied.........

real quick before I take my mini-hiatus I wanted to share a quote from A-rod tonight during the Yanks locker room celebration. This will add some fuel to the fire before the season ends. Here's what Mr. MVP said: "This feels like home. It’s hard to believe that I played for another two organizations. So much has happened to me here, adversity, some success, that I feel like anything but New York feels weird for me now.”


now im gone

I'm sure the people in Seattle and Texas (where he went "not for the money" but "to win a championship") will appreciate that.

[Doctor Z]

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/09/27/amd_backpage07_02.jpg (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/09/27/2007-09-27_i_was_sure_wrong_about_the_yankees_but_c.html)

[zildjian361]

WE PLAY TODAY WE WIN TODAY. :clap:

OK DONE but are we happy:smile:with the wild card or do you wan't the 10th East? seen they had black tee's with wild on it ,are they calling it in. if you think they are, got a picture of that tee.:smoke::drunk:

[Bulldogcakes]

OK DONE but are we happy:smile:with the wild card or do you wan't the 10th East? seen they had black tee's with wild on it ,are they calling it in. if you think they are, got a picture of that tee.:smoke::drunk:

Winning a wild card is like kissing your sister. But the standards around the Yanks have consistently been lowered by Torre and his supporters to accommodate his diminishing results. He still needs to get deep into the playoffs to save his job, despite the knee jerk euphoria in the newspapers today. There will be an equal and opposite knee jerk reaction by many of the same columnists if he loses to Cleveland/Boston/LAA. He needs to get to the World series. Then it will be impossible for the Yanks to let him go, even though I think they're leaning that way right now. Don't forget, George wanted him out last year and had to be talked out of it.

[zildjian361]

BDC never mind Joe are you content with the wild card or do you want the DIVISON.:wink:

[Bulldogcakes]

With the way things have worked out, the WC gives the Yanks the best match up. But nobody knew that until a few days ago, so I cant see anyone taking credit for strategy of any kind.

[zildjian361]

BDC you still haven't said about the wild card or the division:wink:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Winning a wild card is like kissing your sister. But the standards around the Yanks have consistently been lowered by Torre and his supporters to accommodate his diminishing results.


BDC, you've made a lot of comments that I have disagreed with, but this is really fucking stupid.

NOBODY cares if you win a division as long as you make the playoffs. NOBODY. Nobody keeps count of how many division titles you have, unless you are that pathetic of a Yankee fan that you're reaching for any sort of validation of greatness.

Since the wild card has been put in play in 1994/1995, 4 wild card teams have won the world series. That means in 12 playoff runs, a THIRD of the winners have been a Wildcard.

Secondly, at this point, YOU DON'T WANT TO WIN THE DIVISION BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE ANGELS IN A BEST OF FIVE. THIS IS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

As for Diminishing results, the last time the Yankees won the world series, in 2000, they finished the season with 87 wins. Which is four less wins than they have today.

The regular season means nothing other than a way to get into the playoffs.

[Bulldogcakes]

NOBODY cares if you win a division as long as you make the playoffs. NOBODY.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2004/0408/10questions81404.jpg

"I care. I bring up the Wild card every chance I get"



To elaborate on the 'diminishing results' thing, 5 years ago the Yankee mantra was "Its not about the regular season, its about the post season" and "We expect to win the World Series every year".

Then we started hearing "We've won 10 straight divisions". Torre even said after last years 1st round exit "No ones going to tell me we didn't have a successful season".

Now thats devolved into "Well, we made it in to the playoffs as a wild card". I guess the next step down is going to be "Well, we played meaningful games down the stretch" because thats the next step down from here. Its diminished results and diminished expectations. The bar keeps getting lowered, not raised. Torre expects less and less, why shouldn't the team follow suit? He's the boss. I think that has a lot to do with why the Yanks played so poorly in May and June. And in last years ALDS, and the year before, and the 2004 debacle.

[Bulldogcakes]

I LOVE Molina. Best trade Cashman's made in years, and he gave up absolutely nothing.

[Doctor Z]

Joba looked a little shaky there at first, but after Guidry's visit to the mound, he locked in and struck out 2. Dig.

[Doctor Z]

I would've rather seen Ollendorf here than Veras, but whatever.

[Sarge]

I would've rather seen Ollendorf here than Veras, but whatever.

Agreed.

[JPMNICK]

I would've rather seen Ollendorf here than Veras, but whatever.

same here

and it was nice to see Joba able to pitch after pitching last night.

do you think this is his last game until the playoffs?

[Doctor Z]

What the hell? Bronsen Sardinia... totally just caught me off-guard with his complete lack of an accent. He looks exactly like Melky Cabrera and I figured he was latin american too. Call me a racist.


*EDIT: Just did some research... turns out he's Hawaiian, and his full name is Bronson Kiheimahanaomauiakeo Sardinha.

Figures.

[JPMNICK]

What the hell? Bronsen Sardinia... totally just caught me off-guard with his complete lack of an accent. He looks exactly like Melky Cabrera and I figured he was latin american too. Call me a racist.

racist

[Doctor Z]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEeW2QNVnhE

This video was posted just last May... It's hard to believe how quickly Joba climbed the ladder.


This pitcher threw 98MPH deep into the game today with effective hammers and change-ups. He was 97-98 numerous pitches in the 6th, 7th and 8th innings. Incredible showing and very reminiscent of a young Roger Clemens with the explosive FBs and sinking fastballs, to boot. This may be the answer Cashman is looking for, IMHO.

[Freitag]

Joba's off today.

Depending on how the standings lie and what the Angels do, he may pitch a "worthless" inning on Sunday just to give him some throws before the playoffs.

I don't care about the division as long as we don't have to play the Angels in a five-game series.

[A.J.]

he's Hawaiian, and his full name is Bronson Kiheimahanaomauiakeo Sardinha.

The graphic they showed during the game on FSN was funny:

"His middle name is Kiheimahanaomauiakeo (Seriously)"

[RingWraith]

What's more terrifying to see on the mound in the playoffs for the Yanks?
Brian Bruney (who I hope doesn't make the playoffs roster)
or
Kyle Farnsworth(less) (who unfortunately will probably make the playoff roster)

These two guys I'll never trust. Not even in a blowout. But I remember a couple of years ago, Felix "Fucking" Heredia making the playoff roster because he was the only lefty but he was the worst one out of the bullpen at that time.
Come to think of it, I don't think Heredia is in the majors. Doesn't matter, he always looked like a "grown" Gary Coleman with no neck.

[Freitag]

Susan Waldmyn:

"HBOX IS STANDING IN THE GAMES AND SPORTS FORUM, POSTING IN THE HOPE SOLO THREAD. GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!!!"

[Freitag]

John Sterling:

"Hbox is high, Hbox is far, Hbox is... GONE!


...


...


No, wait, he's back."

[Kevin]

Susan Waldmyn:

"HBOX IS STANDING IN THE GAMES AND SPORTS FORUM, POSTING IN THE HOPE SOLO THREAD. GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!!!"

Hbox

Well, they came and got me out of Jersey, i will be talking to youz real soon. And just remember, I hate you all, and wish i could hate you to death.

"Raises fist"

[Freitag]

Hbox

Well, they came and got me out of Jersey, i will be talking to youz real soon. And just remember, I hate you all, and wish i could hate you to death.

"Raises fist"

You just made me laught out loud at work. If I used clappy hands, you'd get them.

[Freitag]

Hbox:

“Ronfez.net feels like home. It’s hard to believe that I posted for another two boards. So much has happened to me here, adversity, the Hayden Thread, Tanith, that I feel like anything but RonFez.net feels weird for me now.”

[Freitag]

MikeyBoy just informed me that HBox will be allowed to post five times a day but then has to take one day off. If he posts 10 times a day, then it's two.

This may be changed for the playoffs, however.

Kevin is also being traded to the Dodgers.

[HBox]

I was just taking a vacation at the Steve Karsay/Ron Villone/Tanyon Sturtze Memorial rehab center. Torre forced me to post way beyond my abilities this year.

[Kevin]

MikeyBoy just informed me that HBox will be allowed to post five times a day but then has to take one day off. If he posts 10 times a day, then it's two.

This may be changed for the playoffs, however.

Kevin is also being traded to the Dodgers.

I am on a shittier team, but at least my arm wont fall off!

[Doctor Z]

That reminds me of the time Scott Proctor got traded from the struggling Yankees to the 1st place Dodgers.

[Bulldogcakes]

I was just taking a vacation at the Steve Karsay/Ron Villone/Tanyon Sturtze Memorial rehab center. Torre forced me to post way beyond my abilities this year.

WELCOME BACK! I missed ya.

That cunt TB ripped me off starting a thread wondering where you were. I posted that a week before, then he gets "an idea" to post a thread about you. What a talentless hack. The Carlos Mencia of the Yankee thread.:wink:

[Bulldogcakes]

BTW- Anyone know where H-Box has been lately? Haven't seen him around.

Page 69 Post #1724

Then TB posts this, mocking me for my concern about your well being.

I got a few text messages from him. He kept telling me he loved me and then where is his physical location is.

See? He's not really your friend. I am.

[HBox]

The most important thing is that everyone knew it when my greatness went missing.

As an aside, I've only been able to see 3 Yankee games all month, all of which happened to be the Red Sox series in Boston. That sucked. The month, that is.

[Doctor Z]

That was hilarious. I'm sitting here yelling at the TV about that check-swing call against Abreu. Then they cut to a shot of Torre shaking his head in disagreement, and before you can blink, A-Rod jacks a 2-run bomb. They barely had time to switch cameras. That shot was a fucking laser.

And how about that stat?! A-Rod is 3 RBIs away from breaking Joe D's record of 155, for most RBI's on the Yankees in a single season. That record has stood for 60 years.

A-Rod = F-I-L-T-H-Y

[Fezticle98]

I was just taking a vacation at the Steve Karsay/Ron Villone/Tanyon Sturtze Memorial rehab center. Torre forced me to post way beyond my abilities this year.

At least it wasn't the Steve Howe Memorial rehab center.

[Bulldogcakes]

H-Box, here's a post you missed that I'm sure you'll like.


I think we can officially add Vizcaino's name to the list of pitchers who's arm Torre has completely destroyed.

If he comes in to a post season game and blows a lead in the 7th, I hope Cashman fires Torre before the 8th. Just slaps his hat off his head and says "get the fuck out of my dugout!". And then he puts on a jersey and manages the rest of the game himself.

Vizcaino's splits

Month ERA
June 0.77
July 1.62
August 1.39
September 11.57



Every year another one. Unbelievable, how he never learns.

I'm convinced Torre's gone, unless he makes it impossible by getting to or winning the WS. Torre's a classic veteran manager. 3/5 of next years rotation promises to be 22 year olds. The next crop of rookies for 08 are almost all relievers. Ohlendorf, Humberto Sanchez, JB Cox, Marquez, Edwar, etc. All relievers. Torre, rookies and relievers just don't mix well. I get nauseous just thinking of it. I think the organization is headed in a different direction, they've tried to buy free agent pitchers or trade for them and most have been disasters. Now they want to grow (most) of their own, and that requires a new approach. Or so I hope.

[Tenbatsuzen]

At least it wasn't the Steve Howe Memorial rehab center.

The Tim Crews Boating Clinic?

[cougarjake13]

The Tim Crews Boating Clinic?

with special guest speaker Steve Olin

[Fezticle98]

with special guest speaker Steve Olin

The Lidle-Munson Flight School?

[cougarjake13]

The Lidle-Munson Flight School?

to be followed by the billy martin driver education class

[Fezticle98]

What the hell? Bronsen Sardinia... totally just caught me off-guard with his complete lack of an accent. He looks exactly like Melky Cabrera and I figured he was latin american too. Call me a racist.


*EDIT: Just did some research... turns out he's Hawaiian, and his full name is Bronson Kiheimahanaomauiakeo Sardinha.

Figures.

He's already had a better career than his older bro, Dane: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sardida01.shtml

[HBox]

H-Box, here's a post you missed that I'm sure you'll like.




Every year another one. Unbelievable, how he never learns.

I'm convinced Torre's gone, unless he makes it impossible by getting to or winning the WS. Torre's a classic veteran manager. 3/5 of next years rotation promises to be 22 year olds. The next crop of rookies for 08 are almost all relievers. Ohlendorf, Humberto Sanchez, JB Cox, Marquez, Edwar, etc. All relievers. Torre, rookies and relievers just don't mix well. I get nauseous just thinking of it. I think the organization is headed in a different direction, they've tried to buy free agent pitchers or trade for them and most have been disasters. Now they want to grow (most) of their own, and that requires a new approach. Or so I hope.

I actually think Torre has gotten better as the year has gone on. He usually does. What really killed Vizcaino was how he was abused in the very early portion of the year and for that I can't fault Torre too much. He didn't have much choice. Of course I'm not quite sure how Vizcaino's been used this month so if he's been run out there too much lately that's new to me. In fact I actually haven't had much of a problem with the way Torre has used the bullpen since Proctor left. He's been forced to share the workload. It's unfortunate to have to get rid of a decent reliever so that your manager can make decent use of the bullpen but you have what you have.

As for next year it all depends on the postseason. I don't know what the line is but I think it's possible Torre will be back short of winning the series. It seems like he wants to be back, that Cashman wants him back and that the team wants him back. All things considered there are worse things that could happen than Torre coming back. You have to give him credit for getting this team into the postseason. Gnashing your teeth over idiotic bullpen management for a few months every summer while making the playoffs every year is an acceptable trade off I suppose.

However, the SECOND Mariano stops being Mariano is the day Torre needs to leave. When he doesn't have that crutch to lean on anymore this bullpen will be an unmitigated disaster.

[HBox]

to be followed by the billy martin driver education class

And one final stop at a Josh Hancock Memorial MADD meeting.

[Doctor Z]

Moose looks sharp.

[cougarjake13]

And one final stop at a Josh Hancock Memorial MADD meeting.

is that before or after the beware of the silent killer seminar by daryl kile ???

[Doctor Z]

Damon better carry this into October, because the last 2 weeks, he's looked better than Red Sox Damon. I hope he can keep it up. With him hitting, our offense rolls.

[HBox]

is that before or after the beware of the silent killer seminar by daryl kile ???

After. But if your really lucky you can take a tour through the Lou Gehrig Museum of the Human Statue.

[Bulldogcakes]

I actually think Torre has gotten better as the year has gone on. He usually does. What really killed Vizcaino was how he was abused in the very early portion of the year and for that I can't fault Torre too much. He didn't have much choice. Of course I'm not quite sure how Vizcaino's been used this month so if he's been run out there too much lately that's new to me. In fact I actually haven't had much of a problem with the way Torre has used the bullpen since Proctor left. He's been forced to share the workload. It's unfortunate to have to get rid of a decent reliever so that your manager can make decent use of the bullpen but you have what you have.

He ran Viz into the ground, as usual. He was already running on fumes and then Torre brought him into an 11-0 game. The next day they had to give him a week off with a "tired shoulder" and he hasn't been the same since, and I doubt he'll get better. The BoSox just shut down Clay Buscholtz for the year with the same thing, as they did with Paps last year. But I'm sure Torre will keep running Viz out there because he got guys out in July.

Cashman has also been very clear that the "Joba rules" forced Joe to spread the work around in the bullpen, which made everyone more effective. Joe and Cash had a falling out over this. Joe made the rules public when they weren't supposed to be and Cashman was furious about it.



As for next year it all depends on the postseason. I don't know what the line is but I think it's possible Torre will be back short of winning the series. It seems like he wants to be back, that Cashman wants him back and that the team wants him back. All things considered there are worse things that could happen than Torre coming back. You have to give him credit for getting this team into the postseason. Gnashing your teeth over idiotic bullpen management for a few months every summer while making the playoffs every year is an acceptable trade off I suppose.

However, the SECOND Mariano stops being Mariano is the day Torre needs to leave. When he doesn't have that crutch to lean on anymore this bullpen will be an unmitigated disaster.

To be clear, I think he has to get to the WS to save his job. Cashman also has a plan to make the Yanks younger and less expensive (like they were from 95-2000) and now has the power to execute that plan.

Jason Stark (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3028418)has it at 4-5 odds he returns. Less than even money. He goes on to say Torre now has more detractors in the organization than supporters, unlike the past. Plus, he was almost fired last year. To be fair, I think Torre gets a lot of things right. But he is replaceable, and I think the team would benefit from a new approach. Plus he has no patience for rookies, and I don't think that's where this organization is headed.

[cougarjake13]

After. But if your really lucky you can take a tour through the Lou Gehrig Museum of the Human Statue.

is that anywhere near the Gooden, Strawberry , and Howe dont do drugs PSA ???

[HBox]

is that anywhere near the Gooden, Strawberry , and Howe dont do drugs PSA ???

No, it's next to the Oscar De la Hoya Masculinity Center. Right across the street from Mel Hall School For Young Girls.

[cougarjake13]

No, it's next to the Oscar De la Hoya Masculinity Center. Right across the street from Mel Hall School For Young Girls.

is that in the same building as the Milton Bradley Anger Management Course ??

[Bulldogcakes]

is that in the same building as the Milton Bradley Anger Management Course ??

No silly. Its by the Barry Bonds Nutritional Center!

[Doctor Z]

No silly. Its by the Barry Bonds Nutritional Center!

http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/Golden_Flax_Seed.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

Looks like the Steinbrenners will be keeping the Yanks (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3041346)

Hal Steinbrenner, one of the owner's sons, succeeded Swindal on Friday as chairman on Yankee Global Enterprises, a sign of his increased influence in the team's operations. Hal Steinbrenner also is a director of YES and chief executive officer of Steinbrenner Hotel Properties.

The question always was would one of the son's take over. Now that George is fading, its clear Hal is taking a bigger role. Both sons have been more involved in recent years and were said to have been present when Torre had lunch with George the other day. The sons are said to not have George's passion for the game, and thats not necessarily a bad thing. Let Cashman run the team.

We'll see. As long as its not bought by Dolan, I'm a happy guy.

[cougarjake13]

Looks like the Steinbrenners will be keeping the Yanks (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3041346)



The question always was would one of the son's take over. Now that George is fading, its clear Hal is taking a bigger role. Both sons have been more involved in recent years and were said to have been present when Torre had lunch with George the other day. The sons are said to not have George's passion for the game, and thats not necessarily a bad thing. Let Cashman run the team.

We'll see. As long as its not bought by Dolan, I'm a happy guy.



headline from the post in feb 2009


DOLAN BUYS THE YANKS

[Bulldogcakes]

Ohlendorf has been very good. Hope he gets a spot on the post season roster and Mussina doesn't get a start. If Torre starts Moose over Hughes in the playoffs, he deserves what he gets.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just got back from the Kevin Brown School of Boxing. What'd I miss?

[cougarjake13]

you missed an episode of mike vicks doggy daycare

[Bulldogcakes]

I just got back from a tittie bar with Pacman Jones. What I miss?

[cougarjake13]

I just got back from a tittie bar with Pacman Jones. What I miss?

you missed OJ simpsons dissertation on flawless break ins

[HBox]

The Ty Cobb Center For Race Relations. There it is. I'm not even setting it up.

[Kevin]

I just got back from a WWE how to build your body the clean way seminar... What did i miss??

[HBox]

The Bud Dwyer School of Crisis Management.

[cougarjake13]

Fun with Guns with Tank Johnson

[Doctor Z]

That's a nice note for Mo to finish off the regular season on.

[Kevin]

Fun with Guns with Tank Johnson

How to cruise into the playoffs with a big divison lead.. Taught by Willie Randolph...



Sorry Cougar.. Had to do it..

[HBox]

The Marge Schott Lecture on Noble Historical Figures.

[Tenbatsuzen]

David Cone presents: Our body, Ourselves.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Vince Coleman's Cleaning Agents Safety Seminar.

[HBox]

Chris Benoit: Roughhousing, the SAFE way.

[Bulldogcakes]

I just got back from a "Promise keepers" rally with Tom Brady. What I miss?

[Kevin]

The Josh Hancock and Leanerd Little safe driving school.

[HBox]

Rae Carruth: If You Don't Pull The Trigger It Ain't Murder.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just had a terrifying thought.

If the Mets complete their implosion, there's a chance that Joe Girardi might be the highest pursued free-agent that the New York market has ever seen.

[cougarjake13]

bret saberhagens many uses of bleach

[Bulldogcakes]

John Rocker's Rainbow Coalition

[cougarjake13]

John Rocker's Rainbow Coalition

damn you i was saving that one

[Doctor Z]

...i just got back from... the...

mariano rivera school ...of holding 3 run leads against the orioles?

lawlz?:thumbup:

[HBox]

I gotta give the O's a slow golf clap on that one. Nice play.

[Doctor Z]

Well, Sox officially clinch, on a night when we had the game in the bag. I know it really doesn't matter, but that's kinda irritating as fuck.

[Bulldogcakes]

I just had a terrifying thought.

If the Mets complete their implosion, there's a chance that Joe Girardi might be the highest pursued free-agent that the New York market has ever seen.

They'll never hire him, he's not hispanic. Omar is systematically trying to get rid of all the non-hispanics. Bannister was traded for Burgos, Chad Bradford was replaced with Mota. This year Willie Randolf will be replaced with Manny Acta, LoDuca will be replaced with Ivan Rodriguez.

It's like Hitler in reverse.

[Kevin]

They'll never hire him, he's not hispanic. Omar is systematically trying to get rid of all the non-hispanics. Bannister was traded for Burgos, Chad Bradford was replaced with Mota. This year Willie Randolf will be replaced with Manny Acta, LoDuca will be replaced with Ivan Rodriguez.

It's like Hitler in reverse.

Isn't Hitler in reverse.. Hitler being nice and loving everybody??

[cougarjake13]

They'll never hire him, he's not hispanic. Omar is systematically trying to get rid of all the non-hispanics. Bannister was traded for Burgos, Chad Bradford was replaced with Mota. This year Willie Randolf will be replaced with Manny Acta, LoDuca will be replaced with Ivan Rodriguez.

It's like Hitler in reverse.

Isn't Hitler in reverse.. Hitler being nice and loving everybody??

yeh i agree

he shoulda said the hispanic hitler

[JPMNICK]

yeh i agree

he shoulda said the hispanic hitler

spicler?

[cougarjake13]

spicler?

adolpho Chitler

[Bulldogcakes]

Isn't Hitler in reverse.. Hitler being nice and loving everybody??

No, Hitler systematically tried to wipe out all the minorities in Germany. Now Omar is trying to wipe out all the english speaking players on Los Mets.

Next, Omar plans to invade Poland. You heard it here first.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Unless the Mets team trainer is doing experiments on identical twins, I don't want to hear it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, I just had a fascinating seminar at the Suzyn Waldman School of Broadcasting.

[cougarjake13]

BTW, I just had a fascinating seminar at the Suzyn Waldman School of Broadcasting.

was that next to the ralph kiner AA meeting

[Bulldogcakes]

Pettite looks like crap, again. Bad time for him to be in a slump.

Don't think the Yanks can't get picked off. Any of the 4 AL teams can win it all, or easily get beat. They really need to win the games Pettite and Wang starts, and get length from both. Who knows what you'll get from Clemens, and Torre is just stupid enough to pitch Moose in a game 4.

Yanks have to get 7 quality innings from the starter, then Joba to Mo. Any variations from that and they lose more often than not. We've seen that all year from this team. They have a very narrow formula for success, if anything knocks them off that tightrope they fall apart.

[Bulldogcakes]

Sweeney said today on WFAN that the rotation is Wang, Pettite, Clemens and maybe Moose if they need a 4th starter. That means Wang starts on the road, and he's better at Yankee stadium. If they opt for the extra day rest schedule, He'll go back to Wang-Pettite for games 4 and 5.

[Bulldogcakes]

the Melk Man Is Back!!

And Delivering!!

[HBox]

The Sox chose the extra day of rest so the Yanks will need to use 4 starters. Unless they sweep that probably means Mussina. Depending on Clemens it could mean both Mussina and Hughes get a start. It also means Wang in Game 5. If he gets 2 starts they will both be on the road.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wang has only pitched once at Jacobs Field, and he got shellacked.

IP 5.1 H 11 R 5 ER 5 BAA .440

Ugly, but its only one start. Pettite has fared much better at Jacobs Field.

I wish Torre would go with Hughes for Game 4. I know he's a rookie, but he's throwing the ball much better than Mussina is and his last outing he had the best stuff I've seen him have all year. His long rumored slider finally showed up and it was impressive. A good outing in the post season could also go a long way in his development as a pitcher. If he struggles, you just chalk it up to inexperience and it wouldn't set him back. Look at what happened with the Mets Maine and Oliver Perez, both followed up their big post season outings with 15 win seasons this year, something neither had done before. But just watch Joe go with Clemens even if he knows he has nothing, and Moose has had next to nothing most of the year.

[Bulldogcakes]

Story (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

Joba The Starter?

It's been a slow Saturday in the rumor mill so as it grinds down, I thought I'd see where everyone would put Joba Chamberlain next season if you were the Yankees.

Experts and statisticians feel that Joba must be in the rotation because 180 innings of Joba next year is more valuable than around 60. Frank Neville for The Sporting News thinks "health permitting, [Joba] can be a 20-game winner and rack up 200-plus strikeouts a year." Now wait, where have we heard that argument before? Ah yes, with Jonathan Papelbon.

Papelbon has become the most dominant closer in the majors with a 13.3 k/9 and I wonder if everyone still feels that 180-200 "starter" innings are as valuable to the Sox as his 56.1 "closer" innings have been. Nobody seems to be suggesting otherwise! Most if not all projections have Papelbon slated to close in '08, not start, and they're probably right. With the emergence of Clay Buchholz, the Sox have remained mum. And fans/reporters don't seem to bring it up as if Papelbon might overhear and remember that he actually once wanted to start. Well that story has come full circle and Paps wants to close now. Chamberlain, meanwhile, seems to be running the same hamster wheel with one major difference: the Yankees actually have a closer.

It's an interesting conundrum. In a way, Mariano Rivera is the reason to put him in the rotation while on the other hand Mariano Rivera is the reason to continue his development in relief. The presence of Rivera provides reasoning to both keep him in the bullpen to be his successor or move him out because, hey, they already have Rivera. There's an obvious divide in thought here.

I'm of the belief that if Todd Jones can close, Rivera is not done. Therefore Rivera, Luis Vizcaino, and Edwar Ramirez (in due time) plus one or two more effective relievers (and specialists, etc) would be solid for 2008. And I think everyone would be impressed by a sudden rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba the Starter.

The reason the Sox kept Paps as closer is they didnt have anyone else to close. Thats not the case with the Yanks. He has 4 quality pitches, sturdy build for a long season and solid mechanics. Plus, the next crop of AAA pitchers are mostly relievers. They have plenty of options, Ohlendorf has looked great, and I still have faith that Edwar can be very useful. I think he just needs lots of work to keep his feel for the change, maybe he adds a cutter for the lefties and a 2 seamer for the righties. Send him to winter ball and let him work on things.

Yanks would be foolish to have Joba pitch 60 innings next year instead of 180. All innings count the same, the 9th is simply more dramatic. You just don't notice it as much when the team loses in the other innings. Plus, most relievers simply aren't as good as starters. Thats why they're relievers in the first place. They don't have enough to go through a lineup more than once. Late innings get testy because generally the quality of the pitcher goes down.

[Doctor Z]

October hasn't even started yet, and I'm already nervous as fuck.

[HBox]

Story (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)



The reason the Sox kept Paps as closer is they didnt have anyone else to close. Thats not the case with the Yanks. He has 4 quality pitches, sturdy build for a long season and solid mechanics. Plus, the next crop of AAA pitchers are mostly relievers. They have plenty of options, Ohlendorf has looked great, and I still have faith that Edwar can be very useful. I think he just needs lots of work to keep his feel for the change, maybe he adds a cutter for the lefties and a 2 seamer for the righties. Send him to winter ball and let him work on things.

Yanks would be foolish to have Joba pitch 60 innings next year instead of 180. All innings count the same, the 9th is simply more dramatic. You just don't notice it as much when the team loses in the other innings. Plus, most relievers simply aren't as good as starters. Thats why they're relievers in the first place. They don't have enough to go through a lineup more than once. Late innings get testy because generally the quality of the pitcher goes down.

Joba needs to be a starter. You want him out there a much as possible. And you are right, the Yanks have a bunch of relieving prospects. Whelan, Claggett, Mark Melancon (who last year pitched with Joba in Hawaii and was even more impressive until TJ surgery) and JB Cox right of the top of my head. They might still convert Humberto Sanchez to a reliever too.

The problem, and this is why I initially didn't want Chamberlain used as a reliever, is that this success has just guaranteed that these dumbass ditto head writers already are penciling in on their calendars for next spring articles about how he needs to succeed Mariano. If Lupica paid me I could write the smarmy bullshit article he'd write right here, right now. There will be so much pressure and for now the Yanks have six starters ready for next year assuming Mussina comes back. And who knows who will be pushing up from the minors? Horne seems like a good bet if he continues to develop.

And the ultimate problem is that no matter who it is, no one will ever be as good as Mariano. They could develop a really good closer....... but he won't be Mo. And
the media will never let him forget it. That, and for this year Chamberlain looked like Mo 2.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just got back from Reggie White Bedding. Are we ready for a fun game today?

[Bulldogcakes]

Joba needs to be a starter. You want him out there a much as possible. And you are right, the Yanks have a bunch of relieving prospects. Whelan, Claggett, Mark Melancon (who last year pitched with Joba in Hawaii and was even more impressive until TJ surgery) and JB Cox right of the top of my head. They might still convert Humberto Sanchez to a reliever too.

The problem, and this is why I initially didn't want Chamberlain used as a reliever, is that this success has just guaranteed that these dumbass ditto head writers already are penciling in on their calendars for next spring articles about how he needs to succeed Mariano. If Lupica paid me I could write the smarmy bullshit article he'd write right here, right now. There will be so much pressure and for now the Yanks have six starters ready for next year assuming Mussina comes back. And who knows who will be pushing up from the minors? Horne seems like a good bet if he continues to develop.

And the ultimate problem is that no matter who it is, no one will ever be as good as Mariano. They could develop a really good closer....... but he won't be Mo. And
the media will never let him forget it. That, and for this year Chamberlain looked like Mo 2.

Sanchez and Cox are both coming off Tommy John, and figure into the equation mid-late 08 if all goes well. And last I heard Cashman wanted to use Sanchez out of the bullpen for a variety of reasons. His injury history, his weight, and his stuff. He throws a very hard Wang like 2 seamer in the mid 90's, so he could be perfect as a 7th-8th inning guy to come in with men on base if you need a ground ball.

I liked bringing Joba along slowly out of the pen and limiting his exposure. He goes into next year knowing he can get MLB hitters out. Fuck Lupica, I can't stand that midget anyway.

Horne won Eastern league pitcher of the year for 07, and could figure into the rotation or in a trade of some sort. Dontrelle Willis and Cabrera will be made available (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-flsphyde0928nbsep28,0,3501365.column) this off season, and CC Sabathia and Johan Santana will likely be dangled as well.

[Bulldogcakes]

OK, Game 1 is thursday in Cleveland. Game 2 (if necessary) is Friday in Cleveland.

3 and 4 are Sunday and Monday at Yankee stadium, Game 5 back at Cleveland. All times TBD. Early word is the Monday game may be a late afternoon deal.

You have to like their chances. C.C Sabathia has a career 1-7 record vs the Yanks, though he hasn't faced them in 3 years. He's the opening game starter, if the Yanks beat him, they're in great shape. Carmona has no experience in the playoffs, remains to be seen how he handles it. Game 3 starter is Byrd and the Yanks kill him. Yanks need to play their game, work counts and get the starter out early and they're in great shape vs the weak middle relief. CLE has some good set up men, but you can see the Yanks winning a lot of these games late, in particular against Borowski.

Here's the danger for the Yanks. Wang isn't good on the road. Pettite's been in one of his mini slumps lately, he needs to snap out of it. Clemens is a total unknown, Moose is a likely loss vs a good lineup in game 4, especially if they go back to Sabathia on short rest. Also, they have a tightrope they need to walk for wins. The Yanks need 6-7 from the starter, Joba to Mo. Any variations from that and they usually lose.

Yanks in 4

[sailor]

why would game 2 not be needed?

[TheGameHHH]

im still not posting in here until the day of game 1, but i wanna get on the first page so im breaking my rule just this once.....see ya thursday!!! and maybe if youre all lucky ill break that and start on wednesday night

[Bulldogcakes]

why would game 2 not be needed?

Because the Yanks just might humiliate them so badly, they'd just forfeit the rest of the series.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Because the Yanks just might humiliate them so badly, they'd just forfeit the rest of the series.

To quote Frank Pembleton, "Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."

[Bossanova]

My pick to win it all is the Yanks, but it won't be so easy

[Bulldogcakes]

Another thing the Yanks have over every other team they will be facing is the best bench they've had in years. Mientky for late fielding at 1st, Duncan for some righty pop, Molina as backup catcher. Giambi will likely sit the first 2 games vs the tough lefties, so he comes off the bench late. Matsui just had his knee drained, so you'll see Damon in left and Matsui DHing vs lefties, who he hits well.

Very tough lineup. Best in the playoffs and swinging the bats well lately.

[Kevin]

Ugh.. How did the Last time you started a Yankee post season thread work out..

[Bulldogcakes]

Ugh.. How did the Last time you started a Yankee post season thread work out..

It was my fault Joe got out managed by Scioscia, as usual?

Remember, you and me can't lose this year. Either the Yanks get to the WS or Torre gets canned. Either way I'm happy.

[Kevin]

It was my fault Joe got out managed by Scioscia, as usual?

Remember, you and me can't lose this year. Either the Yanks get to the WS or Torre gets canned. Either way I'm happy.


I think Torre retires if he wins..

[Bulldogcakes]

I think Torre retires if he wins..

Now thats spanking material right there! Who needs the Hot Chic thread!

[sailor]

not everyone (http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070930/SPORTS01/709300428/1108) wants torre gone.

[Bulldogcakes]

Season Series Recap


DATE OPPONENT RESULT REC WIN LOSS SAVE ATT
Tue. Apr 17th Cleveland W 10-3 6-6 Wright (1-0) Westbrook (0-2) 38,438
Wed. Apr 18th Cleveland W 9-2 7-6 Igawa (1-0) Sowers (0-1) 41,379
Thu. Apr 19th Cleveland W 8-6 8-6 Henn (1-0) Borowski (0-1) 40,872
Fri. Aug 10th at Cleveland W 6-1 63-51 Hughes (2-1) Carmona (13-7) 41,675
Sat. Aug 11th at Cleveland W 11-2 64-51 Mussina (8-7) Byrd (10-5) 41,977
Sun. Aug 12th at Cleveland W 5-3 65-51 Pettitte (9-7) Westbrook (3-7) Rivera (19) 41,612

The Hughes outing jumps out at me.

[Doctor Z]

So, ultimately the Red Sox came 2.0 games short of a collapse that could've overshadowed the Mets' collapse. They better thank their lucky stars they won those 2 huge comeback games against TB. They may have won the division, but they should honestly be ashamed that they even let it get that close.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So, ultimately the Red Sox came 2.0 games short of a collapse that could've overshadowed the Mets' collapse. They better thank their lucky stars they won those 2 huge comeback games against TB. They may have won the division, but they should honestly be ashamed that they even let it get that close.

Wha? Even if the Red Sox gave up the AL East to the Yankees, they still would have had a 4-5 game Wildcard padding on the Tigers. The Mets collapse is more epic because they lost AND didn't make the post season. Even if the mets got the wildcard, the fans would be breathing a sigh of relief.

[Doctor Z]

You're right, playoff implications do greatly affect the weight of the collapse, but in terms of sheer lead size, 14.5 would've been quite epic.

I just like to see the Red Sox fail. And they sure tried hard to do it again this year.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You're right, playoff implications do greatly affect the weight of the collapse, but in terms of sheer lead size, 14.5 would've been quite epic.

I just like to see the Red Sox fail. And they sure tried hard to do it again this year.

I disagree. 14.5 at May 29th is nowhere near the utter and sudden collapse of 7 with with 17 left.

I don't think people grasp how well the Yankees played post-break.

[JPMNICK]

I disagree. 14.5 at May 29th is nowhere near the utter and sudden collapse of 7 with with 17 left.

I don't think people grasp how well the Yankees played post-break.

i agree. they were THE team after the break. if they would have played at that level from day 1, you would be looking at a GREAT Yankee team. the problem is the beginning of the year showed their weakness.

and 7 with 17 to play is insane. if they would have just played .500 ball, the philies would have had to be perfect to catch them

[Doctor Z]

You're right, playoff implications do greatly affect the weight of the collapse, but in terms of sheer lead size, 14.5 would've been quite epic.

I just like to see the Red Sox fail. And they sure tried hard to do it again this year.

I disagree. 14.5 at May 29th is nowhere near the utter and sudden collapse of 7 with with 17 left.

I don't think people grasp how well the Yankees played post-break.

Dur?

[Freitag]

Dur?

I was at the Morton Downey Jr. School of Debate and Smoking Cessation.

[cougarjake13]

indians in 4

[Kevin]

indians in 4


Wishful thinkin by a Bitter Mets fan.

[cougarjake13]

Wishful thinkin by a Bitter Mets fan.

hell yeh


the only thing that would make the mets loss hurt less is if the cubs win it all and in my lifetime i saw the end of the red sox, white sox ,and cubs misery

[Bulldogcakes]

Story (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10012007/sports/yankees/mental_lapses_for_melky.htm)

How far did Brian Bruney fall?

A year ago, he pitched in three of the four ALDS games. Yesterday, the Yankees told him to go home, opting to not include the right-handed reliever around like they did with Ross Ohlendorf, Chris Britton and Jose Veras.

“I was shocked,” Bruney said.

Learn how to throw strikes, fatso.

[zildjian361]

why would game 2 not be needed?

you caught that:wink:

[Doctor Z]

“I was shocked,” Bruney said.

WAS HE?

[JPMNICK]

i feel good that Bruney is not going to be an option for Torre to use.

[Bulldogcakes]

The more I think about it, the more pivotal I think Game 1 will be in this series. Generally you think its Game 3, but this time I think the first game is most meaningful.

If the Yanks continue their domination of Sabathia, then they should make quick work of the Tribe. If they don't, then you are facing a best case scenario of going 1-1 into games 3 and 4 with a very uncertain Clemens and an almost certainly bad Mussina. This is why not pitching Hughes is such a huge mistake, in particular since I have tickets to game 4 and that SOB is gonna ruin my . . . . nevermind. Even splitting the home games would send you back to Cleveland to face Sabathia again (who just beat you) for a game 5 in Cleveland.

Lefties have given the Yanks heavily left handed lineup trouble all year. The Tribe will be throwing 2 of the best in the league at least 3 of the 5 games, possibly 4 of the 5 if they go back to Sabathia on short rest. But I doubt they will do that if he gets racked up in game 1. They might if they are behind in the series and facing elimination in game 4. CLE also has two excellent set up men with the 2 Rafael's, righty Betancourt and lefty Perez. Their big achilles heel is their closer, Borowski. You could see the Yanks pulling out a game or 2 in this series late against him. But if one of the Yankee starters shits the bed, none of this matters. Yanks can't afford to fall behind early or often, their middle relief is too weak to hold CLE down and give the hitters a chance to climb back into the game. And the CLE set up men are just too good. Again, the Mussina move is a huge mistake.

BTW-7 of the 10 ESPN experts pick the Indians for this series. And they've never been wrong about anything.

[Doctor Z]

BTW-7 of the 10 ESPN experts pick the Indians for this series. And they've never been wrong about anything.

And 10 out of 10 said the Yankees weren't making the playoffs. (11 out of 11 if you count me.)
The point is, don't even bother trying to predict or speculate over October. Nothing that happens in the next month will make sense. We just have to come to terms with that.

Just remember:
"YOU CAN'T SCRIPT THIS!"

[Bulldogcakes]

Pitching matchups are as follows

Wang vs Sabathia
Pettite vs Carmona
Clemens vs Westbrook
Mussina vs Byrd
Wang vs Sabathia

First two are very tough. Yanks have owned Sabathia during his career, but haven't faced him recently and he's much improved. Wang may be too strong after the longer layoff and not be able to keep his pitches down. Pettite has pitched poorly in his last 2 starts. Carmona lost his 2 starts vs the Yanks this year, but pitched well in his first (6 IP 2 R) and so so in his second (7 IP 4 R). Figure Carmona gives them a quality outing. The Tribe has to feel like Sabathia is their ace, if the Yanks beat him thats a huge blow for them. But if they get out of Cleveland with a split with a win against either Sabathia or Carmona, you have to be happy. You can't expect to beat both of them.

The Yanks generally destroy Byrd and Westbrook, and they've seen both of them many times. But they simply can't afford to get into their own bullpen past Joba/Mo if they expect to win games. They need 6-7 from the starters to keep from overexposing themselves. If Hughes is backing up Moose, maybe they can keep it close if/when Moose fails. But that being the case why not just start Hughes in the first place? Let Moose back up Hughes.

Yanks in 4. They beat Borowski late in a wild, high scoring game 4 at the stadium.

[Bulldogcakes]

The point is, don't even bother trying to predict or speculate over October.

I can't help myself, it's half the fun for me.

[RingWraith]

BTW-7 of the 10 ESPN experts pick the Indians for this series. And they've never been wrong about anything.



Well, I think those 7 are just bitter that the Yankees proved them wrong about "not making the playoffs".

So they'll just pick their respective opponents out of spite.

Is Steve Phillips is one of them? That won't suprise me since he usually always picks against the Yanks. I even remember him predicting the Mariners was gonna win the WildCard.

[Bulldogcakes]

Is Steve Phillips is one of them? That won't suprise me since he usually always picks against the Yanks. I even remember him predicting the Mariners was gonna win the WildCard.

Yeah, he is.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/series?series=nyycle)
Got to give him credit, though. He said the Yanks AND METS wouldn't make the playoffs, and everyone said he was nuts and just a publicity whore. He got it half right.

Most of them have the Tribe in 5, and I agree with that. Yanks need to win in 4. Game 5 vs Sabathia @ Jacobs field would be very tough. I think the Yanks will win, but some of the local sports guys think this will be a cakewalk, and I think they're wrong.

[Bossanova]

Yeah, he is.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/series?series=nyycle)
Got to give him credit, though. He said the Yanks AND METS wouldn't make the playoffs, and everyone said he was nuts and just a publicity whore. He got it half right.

Most of them have the Tribe in 5, and I agree with that. Yanks need to win in 4. Game 5 vs Sabathia @ Jacobs field would be very tough. I think the Yanks will win, but some of the local sports guys think this will be a cakewalk, and I think they're wrong.

Sabathia is like 1-7 lifetime against the Yanks. Him at home will help, but the Yankees are playing better baseball than anyone in the second half. They take enough pitches to make C.C. get himself into trouble

[Doctor Z]

Sabathia is like 1-7 lifetime against the Yanks. Him at home will help, but the Yankees are playing better baseball than anyone in the second half. They take enough pitches to make C.C. get himself into trouble

But we haven't faced him since he became a real pitcher. And the last time we did face him was 3 YEARS ago, so we didn't even have the same team. This is Cy Young contender Sabathia, so who knows.

[Bossanova]

But we haven't faced him since he became a real pitcher. And the last time we did face him was 3 YEARS ago, so we didn't even have the same team. This is Cy Young contender Sabathia, so who knows.

That is true, but you didnt have this insane offense

[Doctor Z]

That's what they said about last year's "Murderer's Row" which got silenced in the ALDS. Good pitching/cheating usually beats good hitting.

[Bulldogcakes]

Great article, as usual by Tim Kurkjian (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=3043832)

Some highlights:

on A-Rod
There will be no slump this postseason. Plus, he demolished the Indians this year: In six games, he went 8-for-24 with six home runs and 13 RBIs. Included was a walk-off, three-run home run off Joe Borowski to cap a six-run ninth inning April 19.


How much does the season series affect what happens in the postseason?

Oftentimes, it doesn't matter. But these numbers are startling. The Yankees went 6-0 against the Indians this season, outscoring them 49-17. The only other time one team was unbeaten (six or more games) against another in the regular season, then faced that team in the postseason, was in 2003, when the Yankees were 7-0 against the Twins. The Bombers beat Minnesota in four games of that Division Series.


Their set-up men are as good as there are in the American League, led by right-hander Rafael Betancourt, who has a 1.47 ERA. Betancourt is holding the opposition to a .183 batting average, and he has nine walks and 80 strikeouts in 79 1/3 innings. Lefty Rafael Perez has a 1.78 ERA and a .187 batting average against, with 15 walks and 62 strikeouts in 60 2/3 innings.

Closer Joe Borowski had the highest ERA (5.07) ever for a pitcher with at least 40 saves (45); only two other pitchers have had an ERA over 4.00 in a 40-save season. Borowski, obviously, is no Mariano Rivera, but that high ERA mainly resulted from three appearances in which he allowed four or more runs, including the meltdown April 19 at Yankee Stadium when he allowed six runs in the ninth inning. Don't count on Borowski forgetting about that outing.

[cougarjake13]

wow

whats this baseball thing all about ???

i've never heard of it

[zildjian361]

wow

whats this baseball thing all about ???

i've never heard of it

Hater sour grapes Man up you lost.:smoke::drunk::bye:

[Doctor Z]

This Just In:

Yanks take Game 1 by a final score of 7-6. You heard it here first.