New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[underdog]

why not?

He won't give you your ball back.

[JPMNICK]

He won't give you your ball back.

HAHHA i forgot all about that

[JPMNICK]

Jeter is batting .441 with runners in scoring position and two outs -- the best mark in the majors.

[Doctor Z]

That stat is seriously just dirty.

[JPMNICK]

that basically says you have a coin flip chance jeter brings the run in, which is simply amazing.

[Bulldogcakes]

1) Doug Mientkiewicz is a fucking golden god at 1st base.

I'm glad someone brought that up. That was a 2 run double he saved, plus he made a two other plays where he barely beat the runner to the bag. He's not on 1st, its a totally different game. One the Yanks most likely lose.

[Bulldogcakes]

Joba's ERA has blown all the way up to 0.50 after giving up that HR. I'm depressed.

[sailor]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/andrei_martin/blog3/deadpoets2.jpg

clever

[Doctor Z]

Oh boy... I just checked the pitching matchup for tonight, and we're facing a guy with 16 losses and a 5.4 ERA.

I smell trouble.

[tupper65]

Oh boy... I just checked the pitching matchup for tonight, and we're facing a guy with 16 losses and a 5.4 ERA.

I smell trouble.

You know it. This was his line the last time that he faced us

IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
6.2 2 0 0 0 6 5 0.00 1.20 .087

[Freitag]

Now, here's the question I pose:

Shelley Duncan did this:

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/031df67a6b_091507yankautographmg01.jpg

Story here:

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1031894

Funny, classless, a little bit of both, or bad manners for a Red Sox fan to ask a Yankee fan for his autograph?

Mitigating factor:

If the kid was dressed in Red Sox gear when he asked Duncan for the autograph, then yes, Shelley was out of line. If he wasn't, then Shelley may have assumed the kid was a Yankee fan.

[Doctor Z]

You know, if a Red Sox player signed an autograph "Yankees Suck!", it wouldn't even be given a second thought.

[Doctor Z]

In fact, I'M SURE it happens constantly. It's practically the fucking TEAM SLOGAN. But because it's EXPECTED, there's no fucking news stories about it. This kid is a whiny little bitch. What a joke.

[Freitag]

In fact, I'M SURE it happens constantly. It's practically the fucking TEAM SLOGAN. But because it's EXPECTED, there's no fucking news stories about it. This kid is a whiny little bitch. What a joke.

I love the sanctimonious Boston fans saying how he sets a role model for kids. You show me one Boston sports fan who has Shelley Duncan as a role model. JUST ONE.

Between Brady's and Belichick's mishaps, Boston better make sure their own house is clean before pointing an accusatory finger at us for setting role models for young Boston fans.

[Freitag]

BTW, I'm calling that picture as an avatar/sigpic.

[Doctor Z]

Yeah honestly. They have MANNY on their team. How dare anyone complain about role models... Is there a SINGLE player on the Red Sox who you'd want your kid to look up to?

[Freitag]

You know, if a Red Sox player signed an autograph "Yankees Suck!", it wouldn't even be given a second thought.

Actually, I don't think so. If a Red Sox player had done this to a Yankee-fan autograph seeker, the News and the Post would be out for blood, because it sells papers. But here's the thing - most Yankee fans know better than to ask Red Sox players for autographs and get a little guff. They just don't whine about it.

[Freitag]

Yeah honestly. They have MANNY on their team. How dare anyone complain about role models... Is there a SINGLE player on the Red Sox who you'd want your kid to look up to?

There's a few. Ortiz, as long as he isn't juicing. I don't have a problem with Tek.

There's just as many "good guy" Red Sox as there are "good guy" Yankees. Guys who contribute to the community, play the game, and keep their mouth shut.

[Kevin]

Yeah honestly. They have MANNY on their team. How dare anyone complain about role models... Is there a SINGLE player on the Red Sox who you'd want your kid to look up to?

Yea and the Redsox admited taking shots before every game during the 04 playoffs.. That sets a really good example for kids.. GET DRUNK BEFORE GAMES AND YOU WIN!!!

[TheGameHHH]

this is the last homestand of the year?

[Bulldogcakes]

I love the sanctimonious Boston fans saying how he sets a role model for kids. You show me one Boston sports fan who has Shelley Duncan as a role model. JUST ONE.

These are the same fans who yell "Yankees Suck" in front of the kiddie-poos every chance they get, right? Is it worse if a kid gets an autograph from some stranger or watches his father scream it at the top of his lungs?

They are also the same fans who CHEER when Yankees got hit in the head by Pedro and just about every other Bosox pitcher, and the same fans who jumped into the Yankee bullpen a few years back and started a brawl.

I'm just glad they have their priorities straight.

[sailor]

he was honest with the kid. is that a bad thing nowadays?

[Tenbatsuzen]

You guys remember Nick Johnson?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6401

Who knew he had a problem pronouncing "ST" sounds?

[Kevin]

You guys remember Nick Johnson?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6401

Who knew he had a problem pronouncing "ST" sounds?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/6401.jpg

WHAT IS THIS, FAT BODY???...

A JELLY DONUT SIR!

[Tenbatsuzen]

He's been out for the season with a broken leg. He's lucky they didn't shoot him in the infield and bury him there.

[Bulldogcakes]

You guys remember Nick Johnson?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6401

Who knew he had a problem pronouncing "ST" sounds?

I'm so glad we got Javier Vasquez for him. Its not like we needed a 1B for the past few years.

[Doctor Z]

What's this? Are we actually SCORING RUNS against a shitty pitcher?! This is awesome.

[Kevin]

What's this? Are we actually SCORING RUNS against a shitty pitcher?! This is awesome.

Well it is blatantly obvious that The Tigers have payed every American League team to tank to them, so we have to do what we have to do..

[Bulldogcakes]

Well now we know why Mariano was shaky last night

By GEORGE KING
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172007/sports/yankees/yanks_der_ek_to_dream_big.htm)
September 17, 2007 -- BOSTON - Mariano Rivera pitched the ninth inning of last night's game moments after his right arm went numb when hit by an errant toss that came from the Red Sox bullpen that adjoins the Yankees' pen beyond Fenway Park's right-field fence.

As Rivera prepared to protect a two-run lead in the bottom of the eighth, he was struck in the back of the elbow by a ball thrown wildly by Eric Gagne.

"It came in hot," said Yankees reliever Ron Villone, who witnessed the scary moment. "He couldn't feel his arm; it was numb. We were in the bullpen saying, 'Oh no.' "

Rivera, who wasn't available for comment on the freak happening, struggled through an uneven ninth when he gave up a run, loaded the bases and had to face David Ortiz for the final out. Rivera came through, getting Ortiz to pop out to hitting hero Derek Jeter and preserve a crucial 4-3 victory in front of a hushed crowd of 36,533.

I'm sure it was an accident. Just another one of those coincidences that always happens at Fenway.

[JPMNICK]

Well now we know why Mariano was shaky last night

By GEORGE KING
(http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172007/sports/yankees/yanks_der_ek_to_dream_big.htm)


I'm sure it was an accident. Just another one of those coincidences that always happens at Fenway.

maybe that was gagne's son who Shelly Duncan gave the autograph to

[cougarjake13]

Documenary: Yanks DiMaggio was almost traded for BoSox Williams



"Toots," a documentary about legendary Big Apple barman Toots Shor that will open in Boston next month, contains a fascinating piece of Red Sox-Yankees trivia that could have altered baseball history. Seems then-Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey and former Yankees owner Dan Topping got hammered in Toots' joint one night and decided to swap Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams. They even shook on it. The next morning, Yawkey realized his mistake and called Topping, who now had second thoughts himself, and the whole thing was off. -- Boston Herald

[Bulldogcakes]

News Flash! Breaking News Flash!!

The Japs Have Bombed Pearl Harbor!
Repeat-the Japs Have Bombed Pearl Harbor!

America Is At War!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Documenary: Yanks DiMaggio was almost traded for BoSox Williams



"Toots," a documentary about legendary Big Apple barman Toots Shor that will open in Boston next month, contains a fascinating piece of Red Sox-Yankees trivia that could have altered baseball history. Seems then-Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey and former Yankees owner Dan Topping got hammered in Toots' joint one night and decided to swap Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams. They even shook on it. The next morning, Yawkey realized his mistake and called Topping, who now had second thoughts himself, and the whole thing was off. -- Boston Herald

The dealbreaker was a piece of shit ashtray.

[Bulldogcakes]

I love Edwar. He needs some more polishing, but that change is deadly.

BTW-Cleveland just tied Detroit.

[Doctor Z]

Career high 142 RBI's for A-Rod, and still 2 weeks left to play. Incredible.

[Doctor Z]

Anybody else notice that that totally wasn't Bob Shepherd's voice during the 7th inning stretch? It sounded like someone doing a Bob Shepherd impersonation.

PS - Jorge was safe.

[lleeder]

I was happy Visciano didn't let that one go down the draino. :flush:

[Bulldogcakes]

Career high 142 RBI's for A-Rod, and still 2 weeks left to play. Incredible.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9112/yankeefan28isgaylliscoodh7.png

[Marc with a c]

i can't wait for a rod to go 3-18 in the playoffs and you guys want him out of town.

[lleeder]

i can't wait for a rod to go 3-18 in the playoffs and you guys want him out of town.

Just like Met fans support Beltran/Delgado/Wagner/etc.

[Bulldogcakes]

Just like Met fans support Beltran/Delgado/Wagner/etc.

Now thats not fair. They waited a full inning on opening day before they started booing Beltran.

[Kevin]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa boooooooooooyyyyyyyy

Det just lost.. We are basically in.. Now which way.. Still to be determined..

[Bulldogcakes]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa boooooooooooyyyyyyyy

Det just lost.. We are basically in.. Now which way.. Still to be determined..

4 back, 12 to play.

I'm not popping those corks just yet.

[Kevin]

4 back, 12 to play.

I'm not popping those corks just yet.

5 in the loss..

[Doctor Z]

Sweet Jesus... I CAN NOT BELIEVE Mariano is pitching in this game.

I know Farnsworth sucks ass, but it was still a 4-run game. Just let him try to scrape out 1 more out and leave Mariano alone.


PS - 3.5 up & 3.5 back.

[JerseyRich]

3 in the loss column baby!

Let's go Yankees!

[Bulldogcakes]

Anyone know the answer to this?

If the Yanks are tied with Boston on the last day of the season, whats the first tie breaker? Divisional record or head to head? I'm pretty sure the Yanks took the season series with the Bosox, so they would have that. The Yanks have been lousy in their division, so I'd guess Boston takes that.

It just happened a year or so ago, but I don't remember what the first tie breaker is.

[JPMNICK]

Anyone know the answer to this?

If the Yanks are tied with Boston on the last day of the season, whats the first tie breaker? Divisional record or head to head? I'm pretty sure the Yanks took the season series with the Bosox, so they would have that. The Yanks have been lousy in their division, so I'd guess Boston takes that.

It just happened a year or so ago, but I don't remember what the first tie breaker is.

head to head, which yanks lead 10-8

and there was no reason for Mariano to be in this game at all. he could have gotten 1 more out

[TheGameHHH]

chances Moose throws back to back stud outings??? slim to none.

[JPMNICK]

chances Moose throws back to back stud outings??? slim to none.

he is out by the 4th

[Doctor Z]

Here's to hoping you're terribly wrong.

[Bulldogcakes]

A bad outing by Moose should seal his fate about getting a post season start.

Let him suck. I don't trust Torre to do the right thing and start Kennedy, who's throwing the ball better than Hughes right now.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm sick and tired of reading the fucking pessimistic posts in this thread. You're getting as bad as the fuckers on Dirtdogs and SoSH.

You want negativity? I'm hoping there's an Adam Walsh copycat with that kid in the Verizon ad. Who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to make MORE of those ads?

[TheGameHHH]

I'm sick and tired of reading the fucking pessimistic posts in this thread. You're getting as bad as the fuckers on Dirtdogs and SoSH.

You want negativity? I'm hoping there's an Adam Walsh copycat with that kid in the Verizon ad. Who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to make MORE of those ads?

please, if anything i consider myself to be one of the most positive people in this thread. when everyone was all doom and gloom in may i always kept faith. its not about being negative its about being realistic. in reality it is my belief that Moose does not have what it takes to be effective consistantly anymore. thats why i dont think the odds are good that he does well in back to back starts.

[Doctor Z]

I'm sick and tired of reading the fucking pessimistic posts in this thread. You're getting as bad as the fuckers on Dirtdogs and SoSH.

You want negativity? I'm hoping there's an Adam Walsh copycat with that kid in the Verizon ad. Who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to make MORE of those ads?

Yeah, but... it's true quam.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yeah, but... it's true quam.

I'm gonna use that kid's head for clam dip.

[Doctor Z]

Well, so far Moose has been very sharp. But of course, we're struggling once again against a pitcher we've never seen.

[Doctor Z]

And of course, John Sterling blew ANOTHER fucking homerun call. This is probably his 5th blown HR call in 3 weeks.

What an incredible embarassment.

It's RADIO! WAIT FOR THE FUCKING PLAY TO HAPPEN BEFORE CALLING IT YOU FUCKING AMATEUR PIECE OF SHIT!

[Doctor Z]

Well, if there was any question of whether or not Mientkiewicz should be on the post-season roster, that question should no longer exist.

PS - Cleveland tied it, 4-4.

[Doctor Z]

What is this, 2003?

[Bulldogcakes]

Who is this guy pitching? He's pretty good.

[Doctor Z]

Here's to hoping you're terribly wrong.
Welp... 7 strong, scoreless innings, with 7 K's.

Could it be... THA' MOOOOSE is BACK?

[lleeder]

Welp... 7 strong, scoreless innings, with 7 K's.

Could it be... THA' MOOOOSE is BACK?

I think he's trying to trick us into giving him the ball in the postseason.

[JPMNICK]

I think he's trying to trick us into giving him the ball in the postseason.

i just said the exact same thing to my father. his arm will last just long enough to get a start in a short series.

he has at least 1 or 2 more starts this season right?

[JPMNICK]

Detroit is losing 7-4

and Toronto tied it in the 8th

[Bulldogcakes]

i just said the exact same thing to my father. his arm will last just long enough to get a start in a short series.

he has at least 1 or 2 more starts this season right?


I think they're doing a 6 man rotation the rest of the way, 11 games left after this one. So that would mean 1 more start for Moose.

I'm amazed that Clemens and Moose pitched so well. I thought they were both done for the year.

[Doctor Z]

Mientkiewicz is really having a fantastic resurgeance. Also, is it just me or is this Bronsen Sardinia kid a DEAD RINGER for Melky? It's honestly disturbing.

I think just to play it safe, we should have Mariano pitch the 8th and 9th.

[JPMNICK]

I think they're doing a 6 man rotation the rest of the way, 11 games left after this one. So that would mean 1 more start for Moose.

I'm amazed that Clemens and Moose pitched so well. I thought they were both done for the year.

i know it is very exciting. i was not so shocked by clemens. I don't think he is holding anything back now knowing this has to be the last year.

mussina SHOCKED me tonight. went late into the game and looked great

[JPMNICK]

1 out away in the boston game to them losing and a yankee win, and a 2.5 game lead in the division

hopefully toronto does not find a way to blow it

EDIT: it's over, boston lost

[Bulldogcakes]

Thats 3 in a row for Boston. Now its 2 back in the loss column with 11 to play.

This is do able.

Plus, as me & JP discussed earlier you only have to tie. Yanks win the first tie breaker (head to head) just like they did in 2005.

[JPMNICK]

Thats 3 in a row for Boston. Now its 2 back in the loss column with 11 to play.

This is do able.

Plus, as me & JP discussed earlier you only have to tie. Yanks win the first tie breaker (head to head) just like they did in 2005.

if boston plays 500 ball for the rest of the season, the Yanks only need to be 7-4

[Doctor Z]

This is gonna be an interesting 12 days...

[sailor]

if the season ended now the yankees would get the indians, right?

[JPMNICK]

if the season ended now the yankees would get the indians, right?

no still the indians. the win percentage for cleavland is slightly lower

[Marc with a c]

if the season ended now the yankees would get the indians, right?

no still the indians. the win percentage for cleavland is slightly lower

i didn't think about that, that makes sense.

[Tenbatsuzen]

chances Moose throws back to back stud outings??? slim to none.

I'd like to give the Don Imus "I'm sorry I did that" award to the above post.

[JPMNICK]

so unless the yanks win the division, i would think we should be routing for the indians to lose and angels to win.

unless they win up winning, then we need to opposite to happen.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As discussed with Fallon, I'm not sure who is panicking more at this point; Mets fan or Red Sox fans.

[sailor]

no still the indians. the win percentage for cleavland is slightly lower

cleveland is actually ahead of LAA .589 to .587

so unless the yanks win the division, i would think we should be routing for the indians to lose and angels to win.

unless they win up winning, then we need to opposite to happen.

yeah, that's why i posted my original question.

[JPMNICK]

cleveland is actually ahead of LAA .589 to .587



yeah, that's why i posted my original question.

i must have read it wrong

so then LAA plays the redsox

my fault

[TheGameHHH]

I'd like to give the Don Imus "I'm sorry I did that" award to the above post.

no chance am i sorry about posting that.....as a matter of fact i'll add this statement to it:

he can't do it 3 times in a row!!

[sailor]

i must have read it wrong

so then LAA plays the redsox

my fault

happens to the best of us. :)

[JPMNICK]

happens to the best of us. :)

i refuse to believe it would ever happen to you

don't shatter my mental image

[underdog]

As discussed with Fallon, I'm not sure who is panicking more at this point; Mets fan or Red Sox fans.

There's a lot more Sox fans like me than people thing, and all I care about is making the playoffs. If we lose the division, it will suck in a big way. But I'm not worried about it, and I'm certainly not worried about not making the playoffs.

What I am worried about is losing 5 out of the last 6 to the Yankees. Although, we did lose three in a row once and that worked out ok.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just realized that the Diamondbacks are going to make the playoffs.

Hmmm.

[JPMNICK]

I just realized that the Diamondbacks are going to make the playoffs.

Hmmm.

is randy out for the season?

BTW, gagne has given up more runs in 14 innings with the sox than he did in all of 2003

[sailor]

I just realized that the Diamondbacks are going to make the playoffs.

Hmmm.

did you realize they have the best record in the nl? or that they would have the 5th best in the AL (bos, cle, laa, nya)? btw, cle and laa now have the exact same record. interesting times indeed!

[Freitag]

There's a lot more Sox fans like me than people thing, and all I care about is making the playoffs. If we lose the division, it will suck in a big way. But I'm not worried about it, and I'm certainly not worried about not making the playoffs.

What I am worried about is losing 5 out of the last 6 to the Yankees. Although, we did lose three in a row once and that worked out ok.

That's how a lot of Yankees felt back in August, but surely, you'd rather go into the playoffs on an upnote rather than a down note, ya? I mean, the Yankees have been holding their ground and have been playing very well since the break. The Red Sox have been falling off the pace.

What was the biggest lead the Red Sox held over the Yankees? I want to say 16 but I'm not positive on that.

[Freitag]

is randy out for the season?

BTW, gagne has given up more runs in 14 innings with the sox than he did in all of 2003

Randy was out for the season back in July. Re-injured his back and they shut him down.

Funny, he only need 16 more wins for 300, even though he's a HOF lock.

(How many SP are in the HOF that do not have 300 wins? I know Koufax is one)

[underdog]

That's how a lot of Yankees felt back in August, but surely, you'd rather go into the playoffs on an upnote rather than a down note, ya? I mean, the Yankees have been holding their ground and have been playing very well since the break. The Red Sox have been falling off the pace.

What was the biggest lead the Red Sox held over the Yankees? I want to say 16 but I'm not positive on that.

Yes, I'd definitely rather go in on an upnote.

And I believe it was 13.5, but I may be wrong.

[Doctor Z]

If we're talking this season, it was 14.5.

And Met fans are definitely panicking more than Sox fans, because even if somehow the Sox totally collapsed and blew the division, they're still first in line for the Wild Card. The Mets lead is down to 1.5. If they cough up the division, they may not even make the playoffs.

[Freitag]

If we're talking this season, it was 14.5.

And Met fans are definitely panicking more than Sox fans, because even if somehow the Sox totally collapsed and blew the division, they're still first in line for the Wild Card. The Mets lead is down to 1.5. If they cough up the division, they may not even make the playoffs.

Not so fast.

Both the Red Sox and the Tigers have 10 games left. The tigers are 7 games behind the Sox. It's improbable but not impossible.

[Freitag]

Here's the question I ask.

Last day of the season.

Yankees have secured the wild card. One game behind Red Sox.

Angels have tailed off, making them the three seed, making cleveland 2.

Do you go for the AL East or do you send the kids out there and let the pitchers rest?

It would be a true test of Torre's stupidity vs. Cashman's rules.

[Bulldogcakes]

Here's the question I ask.

Last day of the season.

Yankees have secured the wild card. One game behind Red Sox.

Angels have tailed off, making them the three seed, making cleveland 2.

Do you go for the AL East or do you send the kids out there and let the pitchers rest?

It would be a true test of Torre's stupidity vs. Cashman's rules.

Torre gives his players days off even when it WILL help their chances, like he did in 2005.
Torre will take the day off, he's worried about other things besides winning pennants and rings.

[Bulldogcakes]

Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/09/19/2007-09-19_report_yanks_will_be_on_road_to_finish_2.html)

The House That Ruth Built will close at the end of the 2008 season, but the schedule that MLB built doesn’t seem to realize that.

Next season will serve as a six-month homage to Yankee Stadium, as baseball’s cathedral will celebrate its 86th and final year. But when the regular season concludes, the Yankees won’t be there. They’ll be in Boston, playing the Red Sox at Fenway Park on Sept. 28.

...According to sources, the Yankees had assumed that they would finish the season at home, and they had planned a host of festivities around the event. Yankee officials declined to comment on the schedule, citing the fact that the official schedule had not yet been released.

Katy Feeney, MLB’s senior vice president of scheduling and club relations, said that, to her knowledge, the Yankees had yet to file a complaint with the league. But one source said the Yankees are believed to be lobbying for a change in the schedule.

They can't be serious.

[lleeder]

Here's the question I ask.

Last day of the season.

Yankees have secured the wild card. One game behind Red Sox.

Angels have tailed off, making them the three seed, making cleveland 2.

Do you go for the AL East or do you send the kids out there and let the pitchers rest?

It would be a true test of Torre's stupidity vs. Cashman's rules.

I don't understand this scenario. Wouldn't the Yankees want to win the Wildcard in this situation so they can face Clevland in the first round? I don't want any part of the Angels first round. So I wouldn't try to get the division.

[ChrisTheCop]

I read that too... If MLB doesnt change it, I wonder if both teams could just decide to play at Yankee Stadium that series? I actually can see the Sox organization going along with such an idea. But would MLB allow it?

If not, then youll just have to celebrate whenever the last home game actually is.

I'm no yankee fan, but I know the meaning of a historical stadium.

[Bulldogcakes]

I read that too... If MLB doesnt change it, I wonder if both teams could just decide to play at Yankee Stadium that series? I actually can see the Sox organization going along with such an idea. But would MLB allow it?

If not, then youll just have to celebrate whenever the last home game actually is.

I'm no yankee fan, but I know the meaning of a historical stadium.


Thank you. Especially playing in a park like Fenway, who's day (sorry to say) will also eventually come, I know you appreciate tradition.

I have no problem with them tearing down Yankee stadium. It has to be done, they already refurbished it once and you cant keep doing that over and over. At some point, it makes more sense to build a new one. The field will remain and become a museum, and maybe 100 years from now they'll build another one on the present site.

But let the fans celebrate in that ballpark on that day. Even if they make it to the playoffs, thats the official last day. You never know if its your last day in the playoffs unless its Game 7 of the World Series, so thats the only one you can plan for.

[Doctor Z]

So we're not doing the 6-man rotation? I thought tonight was Kennedy's turn.


I think Godjirra might be out of his funk.

[TheGameHHH]

I don't understand this scenario. Wouldn't the Yankees want to win the Wildcard in this situation so they can face Clevland in the first round? I don't want any part of the Angels first round. So I wouldn't try to get the division.

exactly, plus at that point youre already in the playoffs.....who cares if you win the division or not? let your guys rest for a game so your ready to go during the post-season.

[Bulldogcakes]

exactly, plus at that point youre already in the playoffs.....who cares if you win the division or not? let your guys rest for a game so your ready to go during the post-season.

Right now, everyone has 62 losses except the Yanks who have 64. Cleveland is playing great, LA is keeping pace. You can draw a scenario where the Yanks win the division and play the Angels, or another scenario where they get the Wild card and play the Indians. Its too close to call right now. Who knows.

[TheGameHHH]

Right now, everyone has 62 losses except the Yanks who have 64. Cleveland is playing great, LA is keeping pace. You can draw a scenario where the Yanks win the division and play the Angels, or another scenario where they get the Wild card and play the Indians. Its too close to call right now. Who knows.

right, but in that scenario that was drawn up wouldnt the yanks play cleveland?

[Bulldogcakes]

right, but in that scenario that was drawn up wouldnt the yanks play cleveland?

Since the WC is going to come from the east, Its going to be best record plays 3 and #2 plays the WC.
Here's the league standings (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20070919&type=reg&br=5&year=2007&order=false&st=2) (best way to look at it)
Right now its a 3 way tie. You have to look at head to head records as a tie breaker to find who is 1/2/3

[Doctor Z]

I know it's the Baltimore Orioles, but hot damn, if Pettitte's not pitching another gem in a big game. This guy is fantastic.

Jays up 2-1.

[Doctor Z]

...sorry.

[Doctor Z]

I heart Joba.

[sailor]

exactly, plus at that point youre already in the playoffs.....who cares if you win the division or not? let your guys rest for a game so your ready to go during the post-season.

well, cleveland and the angels are tied, so we don't know which will end up on top.

[Doctor Z]

So close to 1.5....


Yet, so far...

[Tenbatsuzen]

6-1 jays.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm going to bed, but I'm going to post this anyway.



ONE


GAME


OUT

[Doctor Z]

What kind of rat-bastard psychotic goes to bed RIGHT NOW?! AT THIS VERY MOMENT?!

[Doctor Z]

.GRAND SLAM OFF PAPELBON!!! SOX LOSE!!!

1.5!!!

1978 ANYONE?!

[TheGameHHH]

boston has got to be in panic

[Tenbatsuzen]

boston has got to be in panic

I'm thinking Homer when Lisa sent off the Pig Roast.

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, why would Boston panic? Aren't they pretty much a WC lock even if the Yankees take the division?

[Fezticle98]

Wait, why would Boston panic? Aren't they pretty much a WC lock even if the Yankees take the division?

Because it would be a tremendous collapse. 14.5 game lead to wild card, would not bode well for the playoffs.

[TheMojoPin]

Because it would be a tremendous collapse. 14.5 game lead to wild card, would not bode well for the playoffs.

I suppose...I mean, the collapse has been more of a slow burn as opposed to something sudden. They still have a hell of a team.

[sailor]

I suppose...I mean, the collapse has been more of a slow burn as opposed to something sudden. They still have a hell of a team.

sept 15th the sox had a 5.5 game lead. since then they've lost 4 straight and the yankees have won 4 straight cutting it to 1.5 games. sudden, fed by a loss of confidence.

[TheMojoPin]

sept 15th the sox had a 5.5 game lead. since then they've lost 4 straight and the yankees have won 4 straight cutting it to 1.5 games. sudden, fed by a loss of confidence.

I know that, but that's different than presenting the loss of a 14.5 game lead as something sudden that's gonna demoralize a team.

Besides, plenty of teams suddenly get hot in the playoffs. If we're talking intangibles, m,aybe this is what kicks their asses into gear and they smoke you guys. It could easily go either way.

[underdog]

Because it would be a tremendous collapse. 14.5 game lead to wild card, would not bode well for the playoffs.

Having Francona as coach never bodes well for the playoffs, either.

I was really looking forward to the Sox winning the pennant, and they still might, but if they don't, it will suck in a HUGE way. Its a big collapse.

But just make it to the playoffs. That's all I care about.

[sailor]

I know that, but that's different than presenting the loss of a 14.5 game lead as something sudden that's gonna demoralize a team.

Besides, plenty of teams suddenly get hot in the playoffs. If we're talking intangibles, m,aybe this is what kicks their asses into gear and they smoke you guys. It could easily go either way.

sure, things can change at any moment, but it doesn't change the fact that they're panicking at this moment.

[Bulldogcakes]

What kind of rat-bastard psychotic goes to bed RIGHT NOW?! AT THIS VERY MOMENT?!

Hahahahahaha! I have a TV in my bedroom.

As much as I'd LOVE to bury the Red Sox for collapsing late in the year, does anyone one here remember the way last years Cardinals and Tigers team finished the regular season? Both played horrible, Tigers lost their division lead last week of the year and both limped into the playoffs.

The 2000 Yanks come to mind also. They lost almost every game in September that year, finished with 87 wins and went on to win the World Series.

[Justice4all]

What a difference one game makes.
If the sox had been swept this past weekend, the yanks would only be a half game back right now with one make-up game to play.

That one win in the last 6 games the Red Sox have might very well be the one that saved them and helped them retain the East title.

But I hope not.

I would love to see on the last day of the season

Yankees --
Red Sox 1.5

[Doctor Z]

I would love to see on the last day of the season

Yankees --
Red Sox 1.5

Not to be a Nancy Nitpick, but at the end of the season, that half-game will be gone.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to piss on everyone's party, but I just realized that momentum means shit in the playoffs. Those days off everyone has between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoffs slows all momentum, both good and bad.

The Yankees were STRONG AS HELL in September last year, especially after the Boston Massacre II. Look what happened there.

[lleeder]

Not to be a Nancy Nitpick, but at the end of the season, that half-game will be gone.

Maybe he wants the last game of the season to get rained out and the yankees not to make it up cause its meaningless to the standings.

[Doctor Z]

You JUST realized this? Once October starts, it's a clean slate. Whatever happened in the regular season and leading up to the post-season counts for shit once the calendar says 10/01. The Tigers blew a huge division lead, backed into the playoffs, and still beat our asses in the first round. Teams get hot at the right time, teams go cold at the wrong time. I'm just excited because I want to rob this division... But I know once the playoffs start, it's a whole new ballgame.

[underdog]

I hate to piss on everyone's party, but I just realized that momentum means shit in the playoffs. Those days off everyone has between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoffs slows all momentum, both good and bad.

The Yankees were STRONG AS HELL in September last year, especially after the Boston Massacre II. Look what happened there.

Also, St Louis sucked ass last year going into the playoffs.

[sailor]

What a difference one game makes.
If the sox had been swept this past weekend, the yanks would only be a half game back right now with one make-up game to play.

That one win in the last 6 games the Red Sox have might very well be the one that saved them and helped them retain the East title.

But I hope not.

I would love to see on the last day of the season

Yankees --
Red Sox 1.5

not to be a doctor z, but if the yankees had won that middle game, they'd be in first by a half game...can't believe everyone let that slide by.

current records:
boston 90-63
yanks 88-64

records with the extra win for yanks (and one less loss as well) and vice versa for boston:

boston 89-64
yanks 89-63

so there.

[Bulldogcakes]

Yes, we all remember last years St Louis Cards and Tigers. Anyone remember the 1999 Padres? They got hot in September, and rolled all the way to the World Series. Same goes for the 2002 Angels, who got hot late in the year and won it all that year. Or the 2005 Astros, who got hot around the All Star break and rode it all the way to the World Series.

So there's plenty of evidence that playing well going into the post season can be a plus as well. I'd rather be playing well than not, whatever it means.

[cougarjake13]

Yes, we all remember last years St Louis Cards and Tigers. Anyone remember the 1999 Padres? They got hot in September, and rolled all the way to the World Series. Same goes for the 2002 Angels, who got hot late in the year and won it all that year. Or the 2005 Astros, who got hot around the All Star break and rode it all the way to the World Series.

So there's plenty of evidence that playing well going into the post season can be a plus as well. I'd rather be playing well than not, whatever it means.

99 padres ??? no dont remember them

but i do remember the 98 padres who made it to the world series and got swept by the yanks

[Bulldogcakes]

99 padres ??? no dont remember them

but i do remember the 98 padres who made it to the world series and got swept by the yanks

You're right, that was a brain fart by me.

[Doctor Z]

Hey, remember the 2000 Yankees, who played horrendously the last 2 weeks of the season, and then won the World Series?

[Bulldogcakes]

Torre most likely to be fired after season (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3028418)

Joe Torre, New York Yankees
How surreal is this? The Yankees have a shot to overtake a team they once trailed by 14½ games -- and their manager is still more likely to get fired than to get an extension. Only in the Bronx.

And we're not talking about any manager, either. We're talking about Joe Torre, a man who has won four World Series, who has won his division nine seasons in a row, who has taken his team to the playoffs 11 straight years and is about to make it 12.

You would think the guy would get a few bonus points for all that, right? You would think he would get even more bonus points for holding a team together that lost 29 of its first 50 games, fell 10 games behind after just 40 games and had a sub-.500 record at the All-Star break.

But we need to remind you of something: These are the Yankees. So April through September are months that are barely more relevant to the Steinbrenner powers that be than November. Which means it will be October, period, that determines Torre's fate.

If the Yankees at least get to the World Series and don't embarrass themselves when they get there, he'll probably get a new deal out of it. But an exit in either of the first two rounds is likely to mean the Joe Girardi versus Don Mattingly heir apparent debate is officially on.

In the past, Boss Steinbrenner has been talked out of dumping Torre after similar Octobers. But this season, there's a funny vibe, a feeling that Torre has fewer staunch allies and more second-guessers than ever. So if he doesn't win, look out.

Odds he won't be back: 4-5

I personally still hope he's gone, I don't care if he wins the division. Casey Stengel won a AL pennant and was fired. I've had it with him for the past 2 years. I also think this organization is going in a new direction, one that will be focused around lots of young pitching, and the Joba rules show that the organization doesn't trust him with young pitchers. I also think these slow starts are by design, Torre doesn't give a shit until June. If he won more games early, they wouldn't have to break their asses getting into October, and they might fare better than they have in recent years.

[BoondockSaint]

Technically he just would not be re-signed not fired. And you can't be serious that the slow starts are by design.

[Bulldogcakes]

Technically he just would not be re-signed not fired. And you can't be serious that the slow starts are by design.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Not design, neglect. Obviously he would like to win in April, but he doesn't do much about it. This isn't the first time he's got off to bad starts, its happened 3 of the last 4 years. I'm dead serious that Torre didn't give a shit until June, just listen to his post games. He just can't come out and say it, because George/the Yankee brass would flip out.

[Doctor Z]

It was the case before the season started and it should still be the case:
World Series or bust.

He won't be fired. His contract is up. He just won't get re-signed. It's the most graceful way to go, aside from straight-up retiring.

[BoondockSaint]

Maybe I wasn't clear. Not design, neglect. Obviously he would like to win in April, but he doesn't do much about it. This isn't the first time he's got off to bad starts, its happened 3 of the last 4 years. I'm dead serious that Torre didn't give a shit until June, just listen to his post games. He just can't come out and say it, because George/the Yankee brass would flip out.

If it is so obvious to you then why wouldn't Yankee management see it? Did Torre tell the pitchers to pitch like shit at the beginning of the year or tell everyone except A-Rod not to hit? And what has he done so different since June to make them this much better?

[Bulldogcakes]

If it is so obvious to you then why wouldn't Yankee management see it? Did Torre tell the pitchers to pitch like shit at the beginning of the year or tell everyone except A-Rod not to hit? And what has he done so different since June to make them this much better?

As the article I posted earlier states, they have noticed
In the past, Boss Steinbrenner has been talked out of dumping Torre after similar Octobers. But this season, there's a funny vibe, a feeling that Torre has fewer staunch allies and more second-guessers than ever. So if he doesn't win, look out.

That's Yankee brass Stark is talking about. Plus I've been hearing more and more criticism of Torre this year from mouthpieces they have in the media like Madden and Kay.

About the other stuff, his management of the bullpen is hideous, and with the shortage of starters they had early it compounded the problem instead of minimizing it, which is his job.
BTW-If you're one of those guys who thinks its not the managers fault when they lose, then don't give him credit when they win. Either he makes a difference or he doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

[Kevin]

As the article I posted earlier states, they have noticed


That's Yankee brass Stark is talking about. Plus I've been hearing more and more criticism of Torre this year from mouthpieces they have in the media like Madden and Kay.

About the other stuff, his management of the bullpen is hideous, and with the shortage of starters they had early it compounded a problem instead of minimizing it, which is his job.
BTW-If you're one of those guys who thinks its not the managers fault when they lose, then don't give him credit when they win. Either he makes a difference or he doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

Joba Rules should be called what they really are.. Don't let Torre fuck this kid's arm up and ruin a great career rules..

[BoondockSaint]

Then they should have fired him last year. So, what does he do different the second half of the season to put them in the playoffs every year? And what does he do to make A-Rod bust in the playoffs? Did he make Mariano blow saves in April? I agree that I think the Yanks need a new manager because sometimes you just need to shake things up a bit but saying that he doesn't care until June is a bit ridiculous.

[Bulldogcakes]

I don't want to start a fight with Boonie. His Mets must be driving him nuts tonight. I can't believe what just happened.

[BoondockSaint]

I don't want to start a fight with Boonie. His Mets must be driving him nuts tonight. I can't believe what just happened.

No fight, I hope you're not taking it that way. I'm just interested in your logic.

[TheGameHHH]

you know what bothers me? for a few years i've heard the knock on Jeter that he's just an average shortstop with no real range. i just saw him make a play up the middle that was certainly not average. it wasnt the typical go-to-your-right-backhand-leap-throw play he is known for. this one was a light chopper up the middle and derek stretched as far as he could left, caught the ball right behind 2nd base and fired to first for the out. how can it be said this man has no range. has anybody else heard this knock on him? i just dont buy it.

[zildjian361]

I know we have the wild card but i want a X in row AL East T shirt A rod just missed :smoke::drunk: im not really drunk :wink:

[Doctor Z]

Not scoring there, with 2nd & 3rd and 1 out, is really shitty. Absolutely horrendous baserunning on Posada's part.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I had to share.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7060/donttasemechrisko3.jpg

[Doctor Z]

Yep, stranding 2nd & 3rd in the 5th has officially bitten us in the ass.

[Doctor Z]

John Sterling:
"And throw home is... IN TIME! He's out! . . . no, no he dropped the ball. The run scores."

CBS has NO shame paying this fucking BABY to broadcast Yankee games.

[TheGameHHH]

John Sterling:
"And throw home is... IN TIME! He's out! . . . no, no he dropped the ball. The run scores."

CBS has NO shame paying this fucking BABY to broadcast Yankee games.

he had me convinced earlier that A-rod had a home run too, he's an asshat. though it was nice to hear that Susan wasn't in the booth tonight.

i gotta admit tonight im torn. it's championship week in my fantasy baseball league and im in the finals. i have halladay going tonight and i really need the win. i know my allegiance as a fan will always trump fantasy, but it would be awful nice to win 500 bucks.

[ChrisTheCop]

he had me convinced earlier that A-rod had a home run too, he's an asshat. though it was nice to hear that Susan wasn't in the booth tonight.

i gotta admit tonight im torn. it's championship week in my fantasy baseball league and im in the finals. i have halladay going tonight and i really need the win. i know my allegiance as a fan will always trump fantasy, but it would be awful nice to win 500 bucks.

congrats on winning that 500 bucks.

[TheGameHHH]

congrats on winning that 500 bucks.

it's far from over, trust me.......

also in case anybody missed it Bonds won't be going back to San Fran after this season, now before the Yankee rumors start swirling here's an interesting bit from Abraham's blog:

"Huge news out of San Francisco as the Giants have told Barry Bonds they will not be bringing him back next season. No chance he winds up with the Yankees, but he makes a lot of sense for some teams as a DH including the Angels. He’d be a cheaper, shorter-term investment than A-Rod for Arte Moreno."

I gotta say I agree with him.

[Bulldogcakes]

I cant believe its the 8th inning already.

Wang+ Halladay=2 1/2 hour game.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm gonna give MY wang a halliday in 2.5 hours.

[Bulldogcakes]

The State of the Farm (http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/2007/09/18/the-state-of-the-farm/)

Look at some of next years likely call ups. Gardner could be a very nice 4th OF, he's unbelievably fast and gets on base. Pitchers will likely be bullpen guys, some starters like Chase Wright (who's death on lefties) and Ohlendorf might be converted to relievers and used set up guys as Joba gets moved back to being a starter. Marquez and/or Horne could be used as long man or spot starters.

[Doctor Z]

Welp... That's THAT.

At least we gave Boston a little scare.

[Doctor Z]

With Wang not getting the win tonight, his bid for 20 is done. Also, looks like Beckett is gonna get his 20th tonight... So that pretty much settles the Cy Young.

[Bulldogcakes]

With Wang not getting the win tonight, his bid for 20 is done. Also, looks like Beckett is gonna get his 20th tonight... So that pretty much settles the Cy Young.

That was overhyped anyway. The Cy Young will go to either Sabathia or Beckett. They deserve it. Sanata will get some votes, Wang will do well to finish 4th.

[Bulldogcakes]

This is unbelievable.

They win this game and the World Series is a mere formality.

[Tenbatsuzen]

IM from Jim Ross:

"MAH GAWD!"

[Doctor Z]

Oh.... oh my...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Welp... That's THAT.

At least we gave Boston a little scare.

I really would like to punch you.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh.... oh my...

dare I say... Goodness Gracious?

[Doctor Z]

I really would like to punch you.

C'mon... did anyone here HONESTLY think we were gonna score 4 runs in the bottom of the 9th?

We still gotta win this thing.

[TheGameHHH]

not only did i lose the complete game, which no doubt would have won me the category for the week, but i lost the win as well. i dont know if ive ever been upset at a Yankee win, i guess im not mad im just disappointed.

and doctor z, you should go start the offseason thread

[Doctor Z]

LuLZ

[ChrisTheCop]

is this on delay on channel 9?

wheres this yankee win you speak of?

[Doctor Z]

BlaDoW!

[ChrisTheCop]

is that dr z out on the field?

[Doctor Z]

I'm only allowed 1 post from the big house.

[ChrisTheCop]

The good news for the Jays is this fat fuck is only good for 2 innings, right?

Joba rules.

[ChrisTheCop]

I have no time to watch them lose.
for it is time for my local news.

lemme know what happens.

[Doctor Z]

Dear God... Please, please don't let this game get in the hands of Kyle Farnsworth...

End. This. Now.

[TheGameHHH]

i kinda wish i was in the Bronx tonight

[Doctor Z]

What a FUCKING COCKTEASE!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Chris, when you were talking aboiut fat useless fucks, you were referring to Bruney, right?

[ChrisTheCop]

What a FUCKING COCKTEASE!!!

tatum oneil or jodie foster?

So I'm back from my news break.... what happened?

[ChrisTheCop]

The guys on that commercial act way too soon...they start running to their car before Chris Berman says "get to a computer."

awww.... Joe Torre signed Shelley Duncan's ball: YOU SUCK.

[ChrisTheCop]

http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/B/3/-/-/cast_two_half_men.jpg

[Doctor Z]

Somehow I think we would've been better off going quietly into the night and losing 4-0 in 9 innings.

All we did tonight was exhaust our ENTIRE bullpen (except for Edwar & Farnsworthless), used Mariano again, took Joba out of the next 2 games, all just to lost in a real momentum-killing heartbreaker.

Back to 2.5... Division hopes fading... Fuck.

[spoon]

The plan is working out as planned! Raise the spanks hope by sweeping the sox, then give up a 4-0 lead in the ninth, only to win later and fuck up the bullpen.

[RogerDornShortHops]

Man.....what a shitty loss tonight... i was walking home and went into a bar the top of ninth.....see the yanks put that rally together was so myuch fun....gos damn

[A.J.]

With Wang not getting the win tonight, his bid for 20 is done. Also, looks like Beckett is gonna get his 20th tonight... So that pretty much settles the Cy Young.

That was overhyped anyway. The Cy Young will go to either Sabathia or Beckett. They deserve it. Sanata will get some votes, Wang will do well to finish 4th.

If Wang doesn't get those 18 wins, the Yankees aren't even in the playoff hunt. That's gotta count for something.

[TheGameHHH]

I know the game is delayed right now, but for some reason MLB.tv is blacking out this game. I know its not on national t.v. so does anybody know why they would black out this game from me?

[TheMojoPin]

If Wang doesn't get those 18 wins, the Yankees aren't even in the playoff hunt. That's gotta count for something.

Nevermind that it's total BS that the number of wins a pitcher has typically drives whether or not he wins the Cy Young.

[Kevin]

The plan is working out as planned! Raise the spanks hope by sweeping the sox, then give up a 4-0 lead in the ninth, only to win later and fuck up the bullpen.

I hit Greg Zaun in the head with a 102mph fastball in my MLB game....



Just because...

[TheGameHHH]

I hit Greg Zaun in the head with a 102mph fastball in my MLB game....



Just because...

everytime i play MLB 07 on my PSP i bean Papi and Manny in the head every plate appearance they have

again, just because

[JimBeam]

Whenever posting in this thread I like to preface that I'm neither a Yankee fan nor a Redsox fan and have my hatred of players on both teams.

I have watched the last 2 Friday games for the yankees and I was impressed w/ their ability to come back.

Rodriguez did have huge hits in both games but the announcers were a little too excited about his 9th innings numbers I believe. How many of those 9th inning RBIs were in games when they were already up by 8 ?

Give credit to any RBIs that tied a game or gave them the lead but other than that a 9th inning RBI is no different than one in the 3rd if it doesn't change the game.

Do the Bluejays have anybody batting better than .250 other than Rios ?

It seems like every guy batting was up there w/ a .242 average.

PS - Posada wasn't exactly busting it down the line when he was safe on Hill's error.

PSS - Does Abreau ever take a called strike that he actually believes is a strike ? I hate that guy. Swing the bat fag and you won't get strikes called on you.

[Doctor Z]

JORGE almost JUICED ONE!

[Doctor Z]

Wow... only scoring 1 run there... why?

[Doctor Z]

Why do we hate hitting with risp?

[Kevin]

Why do we hate hitting with risp?

Beacaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuse.....

http://www.gotmelk.com/uploads/NYYSig.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

Whenever posting in this thread I like to preface that I'm neither a Yankee fan nor a Redsox fan and have my hatred of players on both teams.

I have watched the last 2 Friday games for the yankees and I was impressed w/ their ability to come back.

Rodriguez did have huge hits in both games but the announcers were a little too excited about his 9th innings numbers I believe. How many of those 9th inning RBIs were in games when they were already up by 8 ?

Give credit to any RBIs that tied a game or gave them the lead but other than that a 9th inning RBI is no different than one in the 3rd if it doesn't change the game.

Do the Bluejays have anybody batting better than .250 other than Rios ?

It seems like every guy batting was up there w/ a .242 average.

PS - Posada wasn't exactly busting it down the line when he was safe on Hill's error.

PSS - Does Abreau ever take a called strike that he actually believes is a strike ? I hate that guy. Swing the bat fag and you won't get strikes called on you.

not many, he's been huge in the 9th this season and not in meaningless situations. check out the stats.

and "swing the bat fag"? theres something to be said in baseball about having a good eye. it helps you get on base. he's got one of the best eyes in the game. i wouldnt trade that with a "swing the bat fag" attitude.

[Doctor Z]

I don't want Hughes in the post-season rotation.

If he's proven anything, it's that he sucks under pressure. He constantly comes 1 strike away from getting out of trouble, and then gives up multiple base hits. He can't finish the job.

Here's the rotation I'd go with:

Wang
Pettitte
Clemens (if he's healthy)
Mussina (if he is still pitching well going into October)


If Mussina or Clemens can't make the start, I'll take Kennedy.

[JimBeam]

Abreau's got 112 Ks versus 73 walks so that's not too much of an eye he's got.

Another hump I don't like who I'll give some credit to is Giambi.

Had a big hit last Friday to start that Yankee rally and then had a huge hit last night.

He even made a decent play on that ball that Chamberlain almost threw away.

With all this talk about Rodriguez for MVP I went back to look @ Ordonez's numbers because i knew a while back that he was the only other possible option and he's got huge numbers.

The only thing really going for Rodriguez, and it may be the one more important, is that his team will make the playoffs.

Outside of that he's only got 11 more RBIs w/ almost twice as many HRs.

Ordonez has almost a .040+ lead in average.

I usually side with the guy who did more to advance his team and making the playoffs is the end goal so I'd probably vote for Rodriguez given a chance.

The flip side of that is seeing how good a team would be w/o the palyers numbers.

Would Detroit even be half as good w/o Ordonez's numbers ?

[Doctor Z]

Didn't catch the 5th inning, but I see we've scored a run.

We must've started off the inning with the bases loaded and no one out?

[Doctor Z]

Wait... Did Villone just come in, get the first 2 batters... and then get taken out? HUH?!

[TheGameHHH]

Abreau's got 112 Ks versus 73 walks so that's not too much of an eye he's got.

Another hump I don't like who I'll give some credit to is Giambi.

Had a big hit last Friday to start that Yankee rally and then had a huge hit last night.

He even made a decent play on that ball that Chamberlain almost threw away.

With all this talk about Rodriguez for MVP I went back to look @ Ordonez's numbers because i knew a while back that he was the only other possible option and he's got huge numbers.

The only thing really going for Rodriguez, and it may be the one more important, is that his team will make the playoffs.

Outside of that he's only got 11 more RBIs w/ almost twice as many HRs.

Ordonez has almost a .040+ lead in average.

I usually side with the guy who did more to advance his team and making the playoffs is the end goal so I'd probably vote for Rodriguez given a chance.

The flip side of that is seeing how good a team would be w/o the palyers numbers.

Would Detroit even be half as good w/o Ordonez's numbers ?

i guarentee you a chunk of those K's were in the first two months of the season when he was batting in the low .200's along with Cano, Matsui, Melky, & Damon.

[JimBeam]

Yeah but only once in his career has he had less Ks than BBs.

He's almost always been a 100+ K guy and that's why I don't think he's got such a great eye.

Sure he gets walks in key spots but I'm sure if I watched him all year I'd see just as many called and swinging strike 3's with runners on.

[Doctor Z]

With A-Rod, it really seems like the polar opposite of last year. It seems like almost every hit/RBI he gets counts for something.

Let's hope that carries into October.

[Kevin]

i guarentee you a chunk of those K's were in the first two months of the season when he was batting in the low .200's along with Cano, Matsui, Melky, & Damon.

Exactly!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNND


ALEXANDER THE GREAT.. CONQUERS AGAIN!!

[Kevin]

Jorge hijacked this whole inning with that non catch.. And does Matsui get to anything anymore??

[Doctor Z]

This is why we would've been better off losing yesterday's game 4-0. NO bullpen tonight. A-Rod gets TWO go-ahead RBI hits in ONE game, and we're still losing.

and perhaps the biggest mystery in sports, continues to boggle my mind...
WHY IS KYLE FARNSWORTH ON THE YANKEES?
THIS PIECE OF WORTHLESS SHIT can make a grown man cry...

I seriously could commit a murder right now.

[Doctor Z]

Quit playing games with my heart...

[Kevin]

Quit playing games with my heart...

This game is fucking crazy.. Where the fuck was Melky going??

[Fezticle98]

I hope it ends up like last night.

Who do the Yankees have left in the pen?

[Bulldogcakes]

This game has a very April/May-like feel to it. We even saw the mighty Kei Igawa.

Why Torre didn't just leave Ohlendorf in the game . . . . oh thats right. He's a rookie and Joe doesn't trust rookies, no matter how many outs they get.

[Kevin]

I hope it ends up like last night.

Who do the Yankees have left in the pen?

You, Me, Bully, Z.....

[Doctor Z]

Curtis Thigpen -
.205 AVG
0 HRs
6 RBIs

[Bulldogcakes]

You, Me, Bully, Z.....

My shoulder hurts.

Plus, I have to pee.

[Kevin]

My shoulder hurts.

Plus, I have to pee.

DAMN IT!!! Now were FUCKED!!!

[Doctor Z]

All joking aside, I'm pitching the top of the 10th.

[Doctor Z]

Looks like A-Rod's gonna have a chance to put the Yankees ahead for the THIRD TIME today, this time FOR GOOD. Can he do it...?

...find out at 11.

And by "11", I mean "in the next 5-6 minutes."

[Doctor Z]

Well, hot damn... YET ANOTHER clutch 9th inning hit for A-Rod, unfortunately no one was on base for him.

[Bulldogcakes]

All joking aside, I'm pitching the top of the 10th.

http://www.wayodd.com/funny-pictures2/funny-pictures-dominican-superman-SAo.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

YES!!!!

Melky to Cano!

[DarkHippie]

Damn, Stairs is one slow muthafucka

[Doctor Z]

.C&C WITH THE RELAY!!! WOWZA!

[Doctor Z]

That was the longest bunt in history.

[Doctor Z]

.THE MELKMAN DELIVERS!!!!!!! VICTORY!! TIME FOR A NIGHT OF HEAVY DRINKIGN!!!!.

Incredible.

[Bulldogcakes]

Thats THREE times Melky won the game for us tonight.

Hope this breaks him out of his slump.

[Kevin]

.THE MELKMAN DELIVERS!!!!!!! VICTORY!! TIME FOR A NIGHT OF HEAVY DRINKIGN!!!!.

Incredible.

No Ketchup and Mayo??? I am really disappointed here!

[Doctor Z]

Wait till I have a few in me...

[lleeder]

.C&C WITH THE RELAY!!! WOWZA!

Sterling called them LOS HOMBRES :clap::thumbdown:

[lleeder]

Wait till I have a few cocks in me...

eww

[Kevin]

Sterling called them LOS HOMBRES :clap::thumbdown:

Los Chico's! Get it right Bucko!

[Bulldogcakes]

Sterling called them LOS HOMBRES :clap::thumbdown:

I really enjoyed Joel Sherman sitting in for Suzyn again. He really knows his stuff.

BTW-LAA lost again, so Cleveland now has a 2 game lead over the Angels, one over Boston for best record in the League. If CLE finishes with the best record, Yanks play them in the ALDS, unless we pass Boston. If we pass Boston and Cleveland has the best record, they would play Boston and we get LAA. This is all very much still up in the air, and you don't even know if you want to pass Boston or not anymore.

[lleeder]

Los Chico's! Get it right Bucko!

Then it the postgame they interviewed Melky and he said " Los Chicos kick you ass, Los Chicos kick your face, Los Chicos kick you balls into Outerspppppppaaaaace!!!!!!!!!"

[TheGameHHH]

Then it the postgame they interviewed Melky and he said " Los Chicos kick you ass, Los Chicos kick your face, Los Chicos kick you balls into Outerspppppppaaaaace!!!!!!!!!"

holy shit dude, was that a Short Circuit reference?

[lleeder]

holy shit dude, was that a Short Circuit reference?

Short Circuit 2 to be exact.

[spoon]

Talk about homer calls, how did the Melky groundout blotch by Hill get creditted as a fucking hit!?? Come on!! And how much did you guys pay Hill to give you guys two games if it wasn't for Zaunbie Nation!?

Oh and the Jays are down Wells in center, Overbay at First, McDonald at short, and Glaus at third.

[lleeder]

Talk about homer calls, how did the Melky groundout blotch by Hill get creditted as a fucking hit!?? Come on!! And how much did you guys pay Hill to give you guys two games if it wasn't for Zaunbie Nation!?

Oh and the Jays are down Wells in center, Overbay at First, McDonald at short, and Glaus at third.

No one cares who's not playing for the Jays injuries are part of the game. Magic Number is 4, thats all that matters.

[TheGameHHH]

No one cares who's not playing for the Jays injuries are part of the game. Magic Number is 4, thats all that matters.

thank you for making him try and realize that. every year when the Jays suck spoon blames it on injuries. apparently no other team in baseball gets injured, only the Jays. and not only are they the only ones to get injured, those injuries are the sole reason they dont make the playoffs. of course, if they were healthy and still didnt make the playoffs it'd be a money issue. now that i think about it i might join spoons side, that way i always have an excuse. by the way buddy, im only half-kidding.

[Kevin]

thank you for making him try and realize that. every year when the Jays suck spoon blames it on injuries. apparently no other team in baseball gets injured, only the Jays. and not only are they the only ones to get injured, those injuries are the sole reason they dont make the playoffs. of course, if they were healthy and still didn't make the playoffs it'd be a money issue. now that i think about it i might join spoons side, that way i always have an excuse. by the way buddy, im only half-kidding.

I hate to defend Yankee hating Spoony here... BUUUUUUUUUUUUT.... Come on.. His injuries this year have been ridiculous.. His 1b cf 3b Closer, SP (Burnett Chacin the most relevant) have all been injured.. And i am prob missing alot more.. If you look at his pitching,. Its not even debatable.. 1-12 they have the best pitching the MLB, and i do not think its even close.. If Joba Hughes Kennedy pan out like they should next year, then its a debate.. But until then, no way.. With his staffs era. If his offense was healthy and played they way they could.. This would be a 3 team race, who knows maybe the Yanks would not make the WC.. Watch out for this team next year.. If Ryan comes back next year mid year, and they are in it.. They could win the Div..

[TheGameHHH]

I hate to defend Yankee hating Spoony here... BUUUUUUUUUUUUT.... Come on.. His injuries this year have been ridiculous.. His 1b cf 3b Closer, SP (Burnett Chacin the most relevant) have all been injured.. And i am prob missing alot more.. If you look at his pitching,. Its not even debatable.. 1-12 they have the best pitching the MLB, and i do not think its even close.. If Joba Hughes Kennedy pan out like they should next year, then its a debate.. But until then, no way.. With his staffs era. If his offense was healthy and played they way they could.. This would be a 3 team race, who knows maybe the Yanks would not make the WC.. Watch out for this team next year.. If Ryan comes back next year mid year, and they are in it.. They could win the Div..

Kev, thats not the point. youre totally missing it here. im not arguing the talent of the blue jays, they have an amazing team on paper. what we're saying is injuries are part of the game. those are the breaks, its unfortunate. and it def. sucks when it happens but the one thing you absolutly can not do is blame your poor performance on injuries. every team has to deal with them, you adapt. just like every player goes into slumps. thats like me saying, 'well damn the yanks would be 7 games ahead of boston this year if their pitching was better early on and the bats were going' the simple fact is it didnt happen and it almost cost the yanks a playoff birth, and if it had i as a fan could not blame it on slumps or injuries. you have to deal with it, you cant blame poor performance on injuries or slumps. its part of the game.

[Doctor Z]

HEey Hey hey now... c'mon guys, i'll make sense of this all RIGHT NoW!

And it goes a little something like this --













































































































a one, a two, a one-two-three-four!



































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McNUGGETS McNUGGETS, WHAT?!
McNUGGETS McNUGGETS, WHAT?!

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McNUGGETS McNUGGETS, WHAT?!
McNUGGETS McNUGGETS, WHAT?!

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/joba.jpg

BibBBIty-B-b-BARBEQUE SAUCE!
BibBBIty-B-b-BARBEQUE SAUCE!

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KET-CHUP & MAY-O!
KET-CHUP & MAY-O!

:drunk:

Chicken McNuggets!

[Kevin]

Thats more like it damn it!!! You totally redeemed yourself from this afternoons disappointment..

[Bulldogcakes]

A-ROD COULD BE PART OWNER OF CUBS: MAG (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09232007/news/nationalnews/a_rod_agent__a_cub_cout.htm)


According to the magazine, Boras is peddling a Second City deal that could go for an average of $30 million a year over 10 seasons, with much of that cash backloaded for the 32-year-old Rodriguez - who would then be given the right to buy a chunk of the Cubs at the contract's conclusion. The report does not indicate who would pay for this proposed, precedent-setting deal.


If you're talking about 10 years, he could end up underpaid by the end of it with the way salaries are going lately. He also could be overpaid and useless for the last 4 years if his skills decline significantly. Thats a long time for a 32 year old. I always thought the Cubs will be a front runner if they get their ownership situation straightened out in time, but thats a big if. Most think it won't be settled until January 08.

BTW-If he goes, there's already a lot of buzz the Miguel Cabrera will be moved in the off season, as well as Troy Glaus. And obviously Mike Lowell is available as a free agent. So the Yanks have plenty of options. If he'll sign an extension, thats the first best option. If not, they'll be fine.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, the Yankees will be having a special promotion today. "Pitch for the Yankees Sunday".

[Kevin]

A-ROD COULD BE PART OWNER OF CUBS: MAG (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09232007/news/nationalnews/a_rod_agent__a_cub_cout.htm)





If you're talking about 10 years, he could end up underpaid by the end of it with the way salaries are going lately. He also could be overpaid and useless for the last 4 years if his skills decline significantly. Thats a long time for a 32 year old. I always thought the Cubs will be a front runner if they get their ownership situation straightened out in time, but thats a big if. Most think it won't be settled until January 08.

BTW-If he goes, there's already a lot of buzz the Miguel Cabrera will be moved in the off season, as well as Troy Glaus. And obviously Mike Lowell is available as a free agent. So the Yanks have plenty of options. If he'll sign an extension, thats the first best option. If not, they'll be fine.

All these rumors are ridiculously silly.. He is not going anywhere.. They will pay him what he wants, they have young guys esp in the pitching where he knows he can win for a long long time. And as far as ownership.. By the time he retires, he will have more than enough money to invest on a team.

[Bulldogcakes]

All these rumors are ridiculously silly.. He is not going anywhere.. They will pay him what he wants, they have young guys esp in the pitching where he knows he can win for a long long time. And as far as ownership.. By the time he retires, he will have more than enough money to invest on a team.

So you don't believe Cashman when he says if A-Rod opts out, they wont bid on him as a free agent? I do. The salary tax alone makes giving him a brand new contract just about impossible. You need that Texas money. If you give him 32 per, add 40% to that right away. 45 mil for one player? Even the Yanks can't afford that.

Also, its Scott Boras were talking about. His clients rarely accept extensions, if ever. They almost always go free agent. So its not unreasonable to think A-Rod will opt out. If he does, I think the Yanks go to plan B immediately. It makes too much sense.

Don't forget they let Pettite walk away when no one said he would, they passed on Beltran for salary tax reasons when they needed a CF. You never know where negotiations can lead.

[cougarjake13]

So you don't believe Cashman when he says if A-Rod opts out, they wont bid on him as a free agent? I do. The salary tax alone makes giving him a brand new contract just about impossible. You need that Texas money. If you give him 32 per, add 40% to that right away. 45 mil for one player? Even the Yanks can't afford that.

Also, its Scott Boras were talking about. His clients rarely accept extensions, if ever. They almost always go free agent. So its not unreasonable to think A-Rod will opt out. If he does, I think the Yanks go to plan B immediately. It makes too much sense.

Don't forget they let Pettite walk away when no one said he would, they passed on Beltran for salary tax reasons when they needed a CF. You never know where negotiations can lead.



what is better, getting a -rod for 30-45 mil a year

or

using that money to get hunter to play center and spend the rest on pitching???

i know theres no money problems to worry about the yanks with spending it so its not like an either or situation just what would make more sense

[TheMojoPin]

A-ROD COULD BE PART OWNER OF CUBS: MAG (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09232007/news/nationalnews/a_rod_agent__a_cub_cout.htm)





If you're talking about 10 years, he could end up underpaid by the end of it with the way salaries are going lately. He also could be overpaid and useless for the last 4 years if his skills decline significantly. Thats a long time for a 32 year old. I always thought the Cubs will be a front runner if they get their ownership situation straightened out in time, but thats a big if. Most think it won't be settled until January 08.

BTW-If he goes, there's already a lot of buzz the Miguel Cabrera will be moved in the off season, as well as Troy Glaus. And obviously Mike Lowell is available as a free agent. So the Yanks have plenty of options. If he'll sign an extension, thats the first best option. If not, they'll be fine.

It's interesting that the article specifically mentions that it thinks the Canning Group is the the source of the "scout" as opposed to Cuban and his buyers. If anything, I would have bet serious cash that it was Cuban behind something like this, as that signing ARod is exactly the kind of splash I could see him doing if he gets the team. The Canning Group is rumored to only be the "favorite" in terms of they're the only ones Selig and Reinsdorff approve of who have a bid that's even within spitting distance of Cuban's.

[Bulldogcakes]

what is better, getting a -rod for 30-45 mil a year

or

using that money to get hunter to play center and spend the rest on pitching???

i know theres no money problems to worry about the yanks with spending it so its not like an either or situation just what would make more sense

I don't know about Hunter, but thats pretty much how I feel. And I think Cashman does as well from comments he's made. The Yanks will pick up Abreu's option and keep Melky in CF next year. The 09 FA market has some great OF.

[cougarjake13]

I don't know about Hunter, but thats pretty much how I feel. And I think Cashman does as well from comments he's made. The Yanks will pick up Abreu's option and keep Melky in CF next year. The 09 FA market has some great OF.

what does this years pitching free agents look like ???

[Bulldogcakes]

what does this years pitching free agents look like ???

Here (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/10/2008_mlb_free_a.html)

Not much, and guys like Mo and Smoltz are expected to re-sign. Z obviously already did.

[TheGameHHH]

So you don't believe Cashman when he says if A-Rod opts out, they wont bid on him as a free agent? I do. The salary tax alone makes giving him a brand new contract just about impossible. You need that Texas money. If you give him 32 per, add 40% to that right away. 45 mil for one player? Even the Yanks can't afford that.

Also, its Scott Boras were talking about. His clients rarely accept extensions, if ever. They almost always go free agent. So its not unreasonable to think A-Rod will opt out. If he does, I think the Yanks go to plan B immediately. It makes too much sense.

Don't forget they let Pettite walk away when no one said he would, they passed on Beltran for salary tax reasons when they needed a CF. You never know where negotiations can lead.

Pettite walked because his wife made him.....the Yanks offered him more money then Houston did.

But I believe Cashman when he says if A-rod opts out the Yanks wont pursue him. I really dont care what anyone says, I love Brian Cashman. I think he's an exceptional smart GM.

[lleeder]

what is better, getting a -rod for 30-45 mil a year

or

using that money to get hunter to play center and spend the rest on pitching???

i know theres no money problems to worry about the yanks with spending it so its not like an either or situation just what would make more sense

What your saying makes sense but I prefer to go with Arod since hes more of a sure thing. They could sign Hunter and then waste the money on pitchers that perform like Igawa and Kevin Brown. Plus they have alot of rookies that should fill most of the rotation. With Andy coming back, Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba (if he's a starter) there is not really room for an expensive pitcher next season.

[Bulldogcakes]

Anyone else notice A-Rod grab his crotch when he escorted Scooters daughter?

Classy. Now we know why he married his "Fuck You" T-shirt wife.

[ChrisTheCop]

are there male cheerleaders going thru the names of players right now?

i heard derek jeter (clap clap clapclapclapP
Arod Arod (clap clap clapclapclap)

seriously???