New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[Bulldogcakes]

I would love to see Kennedy next time around vs the D-Rays. But isn't it a little late in the season to be holding auditions? I know he can't do much worse. KEI IGAWA can't do much worse. Maybe if Torre wasn't asleep at the switch for May and June, and didn't grind his bullpen into sawdust as usual, we wouldn't be in this spot.


One step closer to Torre being gone.

[TheGameHHH]

I would love to see Kennedy next time around vs the D-Rays. But isn't it a little late in the season to be holding auditions? I know he can't do much worse. KEI IGAWA can't do much worse. Maybe if Torre wasn't asleep at the switch for May and June, and didn't grind his bullpen into sawdust as usual, we wouldn't be in this spot.


One step closer to Torre being gone.

we all know torre abuses the bullpen, but remember how bad the pitching was in may? he had no choice but to use the pen then

[Tenbatsuzen]

Guidry just said, "Fuck this shit, I'm going in."

[Bulldogcakes]

we all know torre abuses the bullpen, but remember how bad the pitching was in may? he had no choice but to use the pen then

You can use the pen without killing a few guys. He would keep going to Proctor, Bruney and Myers over and over and they would still lose anyway. Sometimes you need to lose a battle to win a war. When Torre was a good manager 3-4 years ago, he used to know these things.
Torre's misuse of the bullpen took a bad situation with the starters and made it worse.

[Bulldogcakes]

How many did Texas score the other day? 30?

[TheGameHHH]

You can use the pen without killing a few guys. He would keep going to Proctor, Bruney and Myers over and over and they would still lose anyway. Sometimes you need to lose a battle to win a war. When Torre was a good manager 3-4 years ago, he used to know these things.
Torre's misuse of the bullpen took a bad situation with the starters and made it worse.

proctor and myers arent even with the team anymore, so what does it matter?

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's time for the speech.

"SCOTT BROSIUS IS NOT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR!"

"PAUL O'NEILL IS NOT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR!"

At this point, I'd be happy if Ramiro, Duque, and Andy Hawkins walked through that door. Shit, at this point, I'd take JUSTIN Hawkins. Shit, I'd take Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw.

[JPMNICK]

wow this turned out to be a massacre tonight huh? 14-0!

i say 9th inning rally

[Tenbatsuzen]

So, do we see Kennedy?

[RingWraith]

http://www.kupywrestlingwallpapers.info/wallpapers/ken_kennedy_2_preview.jpg


Ha! I was thinking the same thing. Can we just "DFA" Mussina already!

[TheGameHHH]

So, do we see Kennedy?

no

[RogerDornShortHops]

Moose is officially done. Why in God's name did Cashman sign that guy for 2 yrs after the absolutely pitiful performance against the Tigers in last yr's playoffs???? For this team do make the playoffs, their bats have to be firing on all cylinders because the pitching WILL NOT GET IT DONE. They have to score 7 runs a game. Phil Hughes is not the answer. Clemens is now remembering why he got the hell out of the American League. Wang and Pettite are the only two guys that i am semi-comfortable with everytime they go out on the mound.

[Bulldogcakes]

Did Bobby Valentine die and his spirit invaded the body of Ken Singleton?

What the fuck is wrong with Singleton's voice? Is that even him?

[Bulldogcakes]

Anyone ever find out who's starting on Saturday instead of Moose? Last I heard on Kays show John Heyman said they were unsure, but it was between Kennedy and Steven White.
They also said something about having a problem with the 40 man roster that I missed.

[HBox]

Anyone ever find out who's starting on Saturday instead of Moose? Last I heard on Kays show John Heyman said they were unsure, but it was between Kennedy and Steven White.
They also said something about having a problem with the 40 man roster that I missed.

Torre said he had to talk to Mussina first. Probably just trying to give him the respect he deserves and tell him face to face before it gets out in the media.

As far as the 40 man roster thing, its full and White and Kennedy aren't on it yet. That's probably the problem.

[Bulldogcakes]

God, I love Girardi.

Likes pitchers who pitch inside, and has no problem with retaliating to defend your teammates. Always looks for little weaknesses in the opponent to exploit, ways to rattle a pitcher, the opposing catcher's ability to throw out runners, etc etc. Always looking for ways to win a ballgame. No stone left unturned. Its like he's the anti-Torre.

[HBox]

God, I love Girardi.

Likes pitchers who pitch inside, and has no problem with retaliating to defend your teammates. Always looks for little weaknesses in the opponent to exploit, ways to rattle a pitcher, the opposing catcher's ability to throw out runners, etc etc. Always looking for ways to win a ballgame. No stone left unturned. Its like he's the anti-Torre.

Clemens is pitching tomorrow. If something needs to be done it'll be done.

Actually, the more I think about the more I think tomorrow will be telling. The Yanks will clearly have a pitcher who will retaliate whether Torre likes it or not. Do the Sox pitch inside as much as they always do? If they don't........ man, fuck Torre.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Torre said he had to talk to Mussina first. Probably just trying to give him the respect he deserves and tell him face to face before it gets out in the media.

As far as the 40 man roster thing, its full and White and Kennedy aren't on it yet. That's probably the problem.

http://images.zap2it.com/20031226/vincemcmahon_wwesmackdown_240.jpg

YOU'RE FIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRED. THAT'S RIGHT!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jeterian!

[Bulldogcakes]

Torre said he had to talk to Mussina first. Probably just trying to give him the respect he deserves and tell him face to face before it gets out in the media.

As far as the 40 man roster thing, its full and White and Kennedy aren't on it yet. That's probably the problem.

Yeah exactly, there is no 40 man roster yet. The start is scheduled for Sept 1, thats when the rosters expand to 40. Thats why I don't get why there is a problem now, if there is one.

[Bulldogcakes]

Clemens is pitching tomorrow. If something needs to be done it'll be done.

Actually, the more I think about the more I think tomorrow will be telling. The Yanks will clearly have a pitcher who will retaliate whether Torre likes it or not. Do the Sox pitch inside as much as they always do? If they don't........ man, fuck Torre.


Just make sure to do it first. Once the benches are warned, you're fucked. And they can't afford another shitty start by Karstens at this point.

[HBox]

Yeah exactly, there is no 40 man roster yet. The start is scheduled for Sept 1, thats when the rosters expand to 40. Thats why I don't get why there is a problem now, if there is one.

If they want the option to keep whoever this is gonna be for the postseason they have to be on the roster before then.

[Bulldogcakes]

No, now I remember. He said that they will "risk losing a player" if they put one of them on the 40 man roster. That makes no sense to me at all, Kennedy is one of their top prospects. He'll be on the 40 man no matter what this off season.

[BoondockSaint]

No, now I remember. He said that they will "risk losing a player" if they put one of them on the 40 man roster. That makes no sense to me at all, Kennedy is one of their top prospects. He'll be on the 40 man no matter what this off season.

He may replace someone who they could lose in the Rule 5 draft.

If a player not on a 40-man roster has spent four years with a minor-league contract originally signed when 19 or older or five years when signed before the age of 19, he is eligible to be chosen by any team in the rule 5 draft during the offseason.

[Bulldogcakes]

He may replace someone who they could lose in the Rule 5 draft.

Thanks for clearing that up. So they could leave him off and not have to protect him. Now I get it.

[Bulldogcakes]

That was a really important point they just brought up about Matsuzaka. They play a 140 game season in Japan (plus I think they either have 6 man rotations or they pitch every six days, not 5). He's in unknown territory here, and it remains to be seen if he runs out of gas late in the year. They also said he's already at or near his career high for innings in a season.

I don't think that's what happened tonight, though. The Yanks have hit him pretty well each time they faced him.

[Bulldogcakes]

YES!!!

That was sweet!

[TheGameHHH]

big, big, big time win........taking a game against Beckett tomorrow would be even bigger.

[Marc with a c]

i bet joba could strike out bulldogcakes.

[drjoek]

Very nice win for NY
Dice k doesn't scare me $105M for 13-11 First year 4 more years of him HA
Tomorrow will be tough Beckett is a beast
Fatso Shilling goes Thursday When did he win last
?
take 2out of 3 sounds good to me

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just heard on FAN "Major League Debut on Saturday" after the Yankee update, but didn't hear who.


Could it be...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Very nice win for NY
Dice k doesn't scare me $105M for 13-11 First year 4 more years of him HA
Tomorrow will be tough Beckett is a beast
Fatso Shilling goes Thursday When did he win last
?
take 2out of 3 sounds good to me

2 out of 3 is shit. You need the sweep here.

[drjoek]

I just heard on FAN "Major League Debut on Saturday" after the Yankee update, but didn't hear who.


Could it be...

Ian Kennedy 34 | PStatus: Active

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Scranton-Wilkes Barre Yankees
Triple-A International LeagueMLB Parent Club: NY Yankees
Stats
ERA:
2.08
W-L:
1-1
SV:
0
SO:
34 Bookmark PlayerFull Name: Ian Patrick Kennedy
Born: 12/19/1984
Birthplace: Huntington Beach, CA
College: U Southern California
Height: 6' 0"
Weight: 190
Bats: R
Throws: R


2007 Season
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TAM FSL 6 1 1.29 11 10 1 0 0 63.0 39 9 9 2 22 72 0.69 .183
TRE EAS 5 1 2.59 9 9 0 0 0 48.2 27 14 14 2 17 57 0.98 .163
SWB INT 1 1 2.08 6 6 0 0 0 34.2 25 8 8 2 11 34 1.09 .205
Minors 12 3 1.91 26 25 1 0 0 146.1 91 31 31 6 50 163 0.88 .182

[JPMNICK]

Ian Kennedy coming up on Saturday. They said he is the best of the 3 (Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain, and Hughes)

also, it was nice to see Joba get tested a little tonight. he looked nervous the 1st batter, but settled down and looked great again.

Pettite is so big time for the Yanks, that was a great off season signing. it will be interesting to see what happens to Clemens tomorrow. also, i am glad mussina is out of the rotation

[Tenbatsuzen]

I originally said that Joba's entrance music should be "Jesus Christ Superstar".

Not anymore.

Now? I'm recommending Goldberg's theme.

[TheGameHHH]

Is this Kennedy thing official?

edit: nevermind, i just saw it was

[JPMNICK]

if Kennedy works out OK, is it possible at this point for them to drop Mussina from the Roster to make room for him?

[drjoek]

I dont see it Mussina make 12 Million or so and is signed for next year and hes such a finicky prick theyd never do that to him Just to save face. This missing a rotation is quite the blow even though hes killing us

[JPMNICK]

I dont see it Mussina make 12 Million or so and is signed for next year and hes such a finicky prick theyd never do that to him Just to save face. This missing a rotation is quite the blow even though hes killing us

if he wasn't such a fucking spaz, maybe they could throw him in a middle relief role, or come in out of the bullpen when clemens has a meltdown

[HBox]

if Kennedy works out OK, is it possible at this point for them to drop Mussina from the Roster to make room for him?

They could put him on the DL.

[RingWraith]

I originally said that Joba's entrance music should be "Jesus Christ Superstar".

Not anymore.

Now? I'm recommending Goldberg's theme.


Complete with security escort and standing in the middle of the pyro??!!!

[Freitag]

Complete with security escort and standing in the middle of the pyro??!!!

Of course. The bullpen door opens, pyro starts shooting out, Joba stands in the middle of it, punches himself in the head and cracks his neck, and bounds out towards the mound.

I'm not sure who would play the Doug Dillenger role though.

[RogerDornShortHops]

Going to be in the bleachers for Kennedy's 1st start. Anyone else going to the Bronx to see it? So happy I don't have to watch another Mussina debacle live at the Stadium. Even if Kennedy doesn't work out, there's som much more juice going into the game with one of their young arms.

[Bulldogcakes]

Seattle just lost (5th in a row, I think) swept by The Angels. They're tanking just as their schedule gets harder, which is perfect for us Yankee fans. Plus they're coming into town early next week. It started against Texas, now the sweep by LA. They have a some doubleheaders coming up as well, if they go into a tailspin it could get ugly, and fast.

Yanks win tonight, they're tied for the Wild Card.

[TheGameHHH]

Let's Go Rocket!!!!!

[RogerDornShortHops]

Great outing through 6. Way to get out of that jam after Papi's homer!
Think Beckett wants to slit his wrists with all the seeing eye hits the Yanks have gotten tonight.

[Bulldogcakes]

Great article by Buster Onley (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2994858)

About the Yanks new direction and how they got there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

oh no no no... farnsworth

[HBox]

FIRST PITCH Beckett throws after he knows Clemens is out and its a high and in fastball to Jeter. Coincidence?

[TheGameHHH]

after costing a run in the 3rd A-rod makes up for it

[Bulldogcakes]

YES! Nice job by A-Rod. I was waiting for him to chip in tonight.

[RogerDornShortHops]

An A-BOMB FROM AAAA-ROD!!!!!


Great pt about Beckett throwing in to Jeter. Def not a coincidence that they weren't goin in on anyone tonight.

[Doctor Z]

http://www.freewebs.com/makin-isreal/mushroom_cloud.jpeg

With Farnsworth coming in for the 8th, that run is HUGE.

[Doctor Z]

Holy shit, has anyone checked out our hit total for the first 7 innings?

14

We may only have 4 runs, but Beckett got the SHIT hit out of him.

[HBox]

Holy shit, has anyone checked out our hit total for the first 7 innings?

14

We may only have 4 runs, but Beckett got the SHIT hit out of him.

They mentioned it was career high for Beckett, 13 hits. Considering that 4 runs isn't impressive. I think that's more of a sign that Beckett has really arrived as a big time pitcher than anything else. He was struggling a lot, giving up a lot of hits but never allowed the Yanks to break it open and kept his team in the game.

[Doctor Z]

You don't need to be Kreskin...

That one was too easy.

[TheGameHHH]

Fuck You Kyle Farnsworth

[Bulldogcakes]

Please get out of this inning with the lead.


Pretty please.

[Doctor Z]

Wait... why again is Kyle Farnsworth on the Yankees?

[HBox]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5748/mlb18mrivera2photo01dpmc3.jpg

Best sports figurine ever.

[Doctor Z]

Best sports figurine ever.

THEY'RE STATUES!!!

[sailor]

thank goodness for that a-rod insurance.

[Bulldogcakes]

thank goodness for that a-rod insurance.

Are you still 200 posts away? I'd like to start this silly 10K thread for you, but you're taking forever.

Could you please post a little more before I forget this?

[sailor]

Are you still 200 posts away? I'd like to start this silly 10K thread for you, but you're taking forever.

Could you please post a little more before I forget this?

yeah, i've super slowed down. it's intimidating. i also never seem to have time anymore.

[Bulldogcakes]

2007 American League Wild Card Standings
AMERICAN W L Pct GB
Seattle 73 58 .559 -
NY Yankees 74 59 .554 -

[TheGameHHH]

2007 American League Wild Card Standings
AMERICAN W L Pct GB
Seattle 73 58 .559 -
NY Yankees 74 59 .554 -

with one month left, im so ready to go to war now

[JPMNICK]

Farnsworth almost ruined it. this is exactly when he should be used, with a 3-4 run lead. not in a 1 or 2 run game.

I wonder if they will save joba for the 9th tomorrow, since I doubt mariano will be available

[Kevin]

Great article by Buster Onley (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2994858)

About the Yanks new direction and how they got there.

Nice find bully.. That was a great artical..

[ralphbxny]

yeah, i've super slowed down. it's intimidating. i also never seem to have time anymore.

You saying you have no time and me being on the road keeps this board character thing alive!!

Despite Farnsworth we pulled this one out. Hope we can keep this rolling tomorrow afternoon!

[ralphbxny]

Farnsworth almost ruined it. this is exactly when he should be used, with a 3-4 run lead. not in a 1 or 2 run game.

I wonder if they will save joba for the 9th tomorrow, since I doubt mariano will be available

I was thinkin the same thing!

[JPMNICK]

I was thinkin the same thing!

it would be great if they did save him for the 9th.

but lets hope by the 9th they have shelled shilling and it is already 11-3

[drjoek]

good win tonight tomorrow we slap fatty around and sweep

[Doctor Z]

I'm trying to figure out why we've been so afraid to play Giambi at first all these years. Sure, he's no Mientkiewicz, but he can certainly play the position. It's not like he's a defensive liability, and he's looking insanely good there today.

[HBox]

I'm trying to figure out why we've been so afraid to play Giambi at first all these years. Sure, he's no Mientkiewicz, but he can certainly play the position. It's not like he's a defensive liability, and he's looking insanely good there today.

His range is bad and we've been lucky not to seem him make a throw which is his achilles heel. But he's always been good scooping throws out of the dirt and for the plays within his range he's always been better then he gets credit for.

But the biggest reason is injuries. He couldn't play there early this year with his foot, and last year it was his knee, and so on and so on.

[JPMNICK]

i have seen him miss some balls from SS or 3b that took a hop a few times. he is pretty awful on defense. i used to stick up for him all the at 1b, but upon further inspection he is below average

[Freitag]

Oh you didn't know?


You better CAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL SOMEBODY!

[Doctor Z]

.
ROBBIE CANO!
DON'T YA KNOW!
TWICE IN A ROW!

[Freitag]

Baconators for everybody!

[Freitag]

A five-pitch no-out walk after a HR. Schilling's starting to lose it.

[Freitag]

...and Damon hits into a DP on the first pitch he sees. Nice, Johnny. idiot.

[HBox]

.
ROBBIE CANO!
DON'T YA KNOW!
TWICE IN A ROW!

NAPPY-HAIRED HOS!

[HBox]

...and Damon hits into a DP on the first pitch he sees. Nice, Johnny. idiot.

He had to swing it was a hit and run.

[Freitag]

He had to swing it was a hit and run.

Sorry, I'm watching on gamecast. Still, if Schilling throws a five-pitch walk, why the hell would you call a H&R if he's rattled?

[HBox]

Sorry, I'm watching on gamecast. Still, if Schilling throws a five-pitch walk, why the hell would you call a H&R if he's rattled?


http://www.mysticgames.com/famouspeople/pictures/JoeTorre.jpg

[Freitag]

If anybody's watching on TV, please count how many times Kay starts rambling about Wang's situation.

[Freitag]

http://www.mysticgames.com/famouspeople/pictures/JoeTorre.jpg

Of course! Silly me. I woulda just called Melky to steal on the 2nd or third pitch instead of a H&R.

[HBox]

If anybody's watching on TV, please count how many times Kay starts rambling about Wang's situation.

Here's some previous Kay nonsense about Wang. (http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/08/and-when-game-is-over-his-era-is-zero.html)

[Freitag]

Bacon vs. Sizzle. This should be good.

[HBox]

I am going to present an interesting situation: I am assuming that Mariano is not available after pitching two days in a row. Wang's pitch count is up. Joba can't come into a game mid-inning. Let's say Wang gets into trouble in the ninth. Who comes in to close?

[Freitag]

I am going to present an interesting situation: I am assuming that Mariano is not available after pitching two days in a row. Wang's pitch count is up. Joba can't come into a game mid-inning. Let's say Wang gets into trouble in the ninth. Who comes in to close?

I'd say Viz.

[Doctor Z]

Well... That sucked shit.

[Freitag]

No-hit's broken up... Wang's not gonna make the ninth.

Wang finishes this inning, Viz in the 8th, Joba in the 9th.

[Doctor Z]

This is bogus. YOUKILIS TOUCHED THE FUCKING GRASS.

*Edit: That's more fucking LIKE IT!

[Doctor Z]

Wang fucking rules. 7 innings, 1 hit, NO runs.

[Freitag]

Good Job Bobby!

[Doctor Z]

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/95/68/23106895.jpg

[JPMNICK]

Larry Bowa with the windmill waving AROD home from 1st on a wild throw!

[Doctor Z]

Why... with the rules... why would you... 5-0 lead... But...

[Doctor Z]

Does this mean we still have to wait 2 days before he can pitch again?

[Crippler]

What the fuck was that about? Joba got tossed?

Oh well, not a bad series, huh?

[Recyclerz]

I wonder what Casey is going to do with her week vacation? :smile:

[JPMNICK]

him getting tossed was bullshit

and i think they will let him pitch again after 1 day rest. he did not throw that many pitches, and i think they will want to use him on sat for the Ian Kennedy start, plus then they can use him twice against Seattle which is huge. so either he pitches saturday or not at all until Seattle

[HBox]

I am so sick of the Red Sox. They come up and in on the Yanks all the fucking time, hit Yanks all the fucking time, and take a fucking hissy fit anytime a ball is close to the batters box against them.

[drjoek]

Plus Youkilis is a whiny bitch. He pisses and moans like he shouldn't be hit like the Yankees guys. Whem Proctor hit him earlier in the season he acted like he was immune to retaliation..

Youkillis is that greek for Fucking ugly ???

[Bulldogcakes]

Why... with the rules... why would you... 5-0 lead... But...

I was thinking the same thing. Either Joe was trying to be Mr Nice guy and get him a save (which I'm not even sure Joba would qualify for) or he is just being pissy about the "rules". Which he knows are really a slap in the face to him, which they are and deservedly so.
He only threw 17 pitches, so there's no reason he can't come in for the Kennedy game. If he cant, then I'll bet Cashman is pissed about how this all went down.

I really don't think he sent him in there just to throw at Youklis. He even went to Youklis after the game to make sure he understood that.

[Bulldogcakes]

BTW-Dont be surprised if JOBA GETS SUSPENDED for this BULLSHIT.

[HBox]

I was thinking the same thing. Either Joe was trying to be Mr Nice guy and get him a save (which I'm not even sure Joba would qualify for) or he is just being pissy about the "rules". Which he knows are really a slap in the face to him, which they are and deservedly so.

I really don't think he sent him in there just to throw at Youklis. He even went to Youklis after the game to make sure he understood that.

He would have got the save.

On a side not about saves: Remember that 30-3 game? A guy got credited with a save in that game because of the way the stat is defined.

[Bulldogcakes]

He would have got the save.

On a side not about saves: Remember that 30-3 game? A guy got credited with a save in that game because of the way the stat is defined.

I know, that was the automatic 3 inning thing.

Looking at the box score, he came in at 2-0, so that probably explains why Torre did it. And its still a stupid thing to do. Who gives a fuck about a save.

[Bulldogcakes]

ESPN link for the Settle-Indians game (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270830105)

Seattle's down 3-0 in the 4th.

[Tenbatsuzen]

“You know, two balls going over somebody’s head at 98 mph, I don’t know. I didn’t see any other pitches going that far out of the strike zone. Those balls were pretty close to the head. There were a couple of nods here and there. Who knows what it really meant? Ask him what his intent was. He’s going to probably tell you he didn’t mean to throw those. It’s one of those things where only one person, or maybe a couple people on their team know.

“That’s the second time. Scott Proctor hit me in the head. Coincidence? I don’t know. It doesn’t look good. When two balls go at your head and the guy has a zero ERA and is around the strike zone pretty good, any man is going to think there’s intent to hit him in the head.”

Kevin "Ass" Youkilis.

why don't you see what's happened to Jeter, et. all in the past Red Sox games.

[HBox]

That control pitcher argument goes both ways. Those two pitches weren't anywhere near him. They were so far away that it took two of them to get people to start suspecting there MIGHT be a message there. If he wanted to send a message he would have put it close or just hit him. If he has such amazing control don't you think he would miss that much twice in a row?

Or maybe a guy who throws 100MPH has pitches get away from him now and again. There's better, bigger targets on the Sox than Youkilis anyway. It's like if the Sox kept on going after Melky. Yeah he's a good player but you go after the best ones. That why they keep going after Jeter and A-Rod.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Joba should just have a press conference, where he says, "If I wanted to hit Youkilis in the head, you'd be getting sound bytes from him in a hospital room."

[Bulldogcakes]

Just saw the replay. First time, Posada set his glove up high and tight. That one looks like he just missed. Second time Posada set up his glove low and away, and again it went over Youklis' head. No excuse there. Did he miss the sign? Doubt it. He'd have to miss both the sign and the glove, which is the target.

Now I actually HOPE he was throwing at him. If he wasn't, he has Rick Ankiel-like control problems.

[TheGameHHH]

BTW-Dont be surprised if JOBA GETS SUSPENDED for this BULLSHIT.

i get what youre saying about how some suspensions are bullshit......but you absolutely will never be suspended if you don't actually hit somebody.....regardless if you were head hunting or not

[TheGameHHH]

wild. card. lead.

[Doctor Z]

Plus Youkilis is a whiny bitch. He pisses and moans like he shouldn't be hit like the Yankees guys. Whem Proctor hit him earlier in the season he acted like he was immune to retaliation..

Youkillis is that greek for Fucking ugly ???

Despite "Youkilis" sounding like an extremely Greek name, he's actually not Greek at all. In fact, he's a huge Jew.

And wow, is Seattle collapsing. 6 losses in a row now. FINALLY, sole possession of something!

[JPMNICK]

Despite "Youkilis" sounding like an extremely Greek name, he's actually not Greek at all. In fact, he's a huge Jew.

And wow, is Seattle collapsing. 6 losses in a row now. FINALLY, sole possession of something!

and FINALLY they are losing. they were on an unreal winning streak. I thought they were playing way above their level. i do not think 6 losses in a row is an indication of how good they are either, so i doubt this will continue. but it was nice to let the Yanks catch up and not have to grind it out for so long.

as for Joba, i think it is insane to think he was head hunting. i think he just lost control a little bit. i hope his arm is not hurt or anything

[Freitag]

as for Joba, i think it is insane to think he was head hunting. i think he just lost control a little bit. i hope his arm is not hurt or anything

Yeah, because Torre's just been abusing him.

We'll know during his next appearance.

[JPMNICK]

Yeah, because Torre's just been abusing him.

We'll know during his next appearance.

or he is 21 and pitching the 9th against boston. it is not that crazy to think that he just lost his spot where he released the ball

[RogerDornShortHops]

Whether or not he was throwing at him, if they Yankees pick up a couple more games on the Sox, the series at Fenway in a few weeks is going to be an all out war.

Clemens better man up and take the mound for one of those games.

[JPMNICK]

Whether or not he was throwing at him, if they Yankees pick up a couple more games on the Sox, the series at Fenway in a few weeks is going to be an all out war.

Clemens better man up and take the mound for one of those games.

i think both teams will be warned early in the games. plus they need to be careful so close to the playoffs with injuries and suspensions.

[Doctor Z]

I could be completely wrong, so don't quote me on this, but I think I just heard on WFAN that Joba got slapped with a 2-game suspension for last night. I turned on the radio and all I heard was Evan Roberts saying "So, 2 game suspension... he serves it against Tampa Bay, no big deal, he'll still be available against Seattle." That's all I caught... But the only player who could possibly be suspended and playing against Tampa Bay and Seattle is Joba Chamberlain.

Currently unable to find any articles on it anywhere.

[Doctor Z]

Confirmed. Just heard it for sure on the FAN. Joba got 2 games. He wouldda missed 1 game anyway, cuz of the rules. So basically we lose him for 1 game against TB. Hopefully it won't be a big deal.

[JPMNICK]

Confirmed. Just heard it for sure on the FAN. Joba got 2 games. He wouldda missed 1 game anyway, cuz of the rules. So basically we lose him for 1 game against TB. Hopefully it won't be a big deal.

that's horseshit.

[TheGameHHH]

i get what youre saying about how some suspensions are bullshit......but you absolutely will never be suspended if you don't actually hit somebody.....regardless if you were head hunting or not

from now on nobody is allowed to listen to anything I say because apparently i know nothing

[HBox]

from now on nobody is allowed to listen to anything I say because apparently i know nothing

Don't be too hard on yourself. I don't think anyone knew that scaring the Red Sox was recently added to the MLB rulebook. Pretty soon MLB will be tossing fans for cheering against them.

[TheGameHHH]

Don't be too hard on yourself. I don't think anyone knew that scaring the Red Sox was recently added to the MLB rulebook. Pretty soon MLB will be tossing fans for cheering against them.

seriously......he didnt hit anybody, i cant fathom how you can be suspended for not hitting somebody. its like suspending somebody for intent, thats crazy. can a player now say if he flies out that he intended to hit a home run so he should be credited for a home run instead of a fly out?

[Doctor Z]

seriously......he didnt hit anybody, i cant fathom how you can be suspended for not hitting somebody. its like suspending somebody for intent, thats crazy. can a player now say if he flies out that he intended to hit a home run so he should be credited for a home run instead of a fly out?

Oh... I guess you haven't heard...

[TheGameHHH]

Oh... I guess you haven't heard...

no i havent......im confused

[Bulldogcakes]

Sorry, but Phil Hughes just isn't ready yet. I don't mind running him out there every 5th day to get some big league experience, and hopefully he'll be better next year. But this year he sucks.

I hope Kennedy is more "polished" as everyone says. I wouldn't trust Hughes with a playoff start at this point.

[Bulldogcakes]

Look, lets be honest. Chamberlain was throwing at Youklis. I know Torre wants to talk about how its not "the situation" and "its not a spot you'll do that". That's all bullshit. He did it because the game was pretty much decided, and Youklis just happened to be up at the time.

There have also been some reports that some unnamed Yankees were annoyed about the "Joba Rules". Saying that "They didn't do that for other players when they came up". Joba probably heard these rumblings and might have done it completely on his own to get a little credibility in the clubhouse with his teammates.

BTW- I heard Cashman on Kay today and he said that the Joba rules have made the Yankee bullpen "Better, because guys are getting more consistent work and more importantly consistent rest". Wow, they have to tie the hands of the manager to get him to use his bullpen properly. The Yankee front office is clearly not happy with Torre. Cashman was reported to be "furious" that Torre leaked the Joba rules to the press in the first place, now this.

[Doctor Z]

Never ceases to amaze me how this Yankee team manages to make horrendous pitchers look brilliant. It's so mind-boggling. They can beat Dice-K, Josh Beckett, and Curt Schilling in 3 consecutive games... But the 3-9 record and 6 ERA of Andy Sonnanstine is just too baffling for our hitters to handle. Infuriating.

[Bulldogcakes]

Looks like Seattle and Boston will lose tonight. Missed a good opportunity to pick up ground.

I hope Kennedy pitches well tomorrow. If not, the division is likely out of reach and the Wild Card will be a month long dogfight. Unless Hughes can figure out what he's doing wrong. Need one of the rookies to give them a chance to win each time out.

[Doctor Z]

Not so fast... The Baltimore bullpen just might be bad enough to blow this one.

[TheGameHHH]

Looks like Seattle and Boston will lose tonight. Missed a good opportunity to pick up ground.

I hope Kennedy pitches well tomorrow. If not, the division is likely out of reach and the Wild Card will be a month long dogfight. Unless Hughes can figure out what he's doing wrong. Need one of the rookies to give them a chance to win each time out.

the ending of the seattle/toronto game was awesome. def. a top web gem of the night, and a huge help for the yanks

[Bulldogcakes]

Anyone who wants to go to the Seattle game on Tuesday September 4th, PM me. I have 8 tickets and all you board regulars are invited to the game, my treat.

I got these on a ticket special they ran a few weeks ago. Seats aren't great, but they're free for anyone who wants to come. Wang should be pitching, 7:00 start.

[TheGameHHH]

Anyone who wants to go to the Seattle game on Tuesday September 4th, PM me. I have 8 tickets and all you board regulars are invited to the game, my treat.

I got these on a ticket special they ran a few weeks ago. Seats aren't great, but they're free for anyone who wants to come. Wang should be pitching, 7:00 start.

if i was 1,400 miles away i'd be there in a second

[Doctor Z]

I'm gonna have to go ahead and ask you to reschedule those free tickets for Wednesday, as I am already going to Tuesday night's game. Thanks in advance.

[Doctor Z]

Here's how badly the Baltimore bullpen sucks... They led that game 9-2 in the 6th.

Final score: 9-8

and the game ended with the tying run at 2nd and the winning run at 1st, with 1 out.

[Marc with a c]

what could be possibly be wrong with the bat besides ir being corked?

was there a chink in it or something?

[BoondockSaint]

what could be possibly be wrong with the bat besides ir being corked?

was there a chink in it or something?

:clap:

[HBox]

So THAT'S why the attorney general quit: he got a job with the Yankees. I hope he's good.

[TheGameHHH]

So THAT'S why the attorney general quit: he got a job with the Yankees. I hope he's good.

he can't do a worse job than he did as A.G.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wow, what a game. That was exactly what I had hoped for. That outing by Kennedy was MUCH better than anything I've seen out of Hughes barring the 7 no-hit innings in Texas. He said on the post game that he didn't really settle in until the 3rd, and after that he was terrific. In his case you don't have to worry about any "second time around the league" stuff, there's not that much time left in the season.

I also like having so many of the rookies in the rotation and in the clubhouse. They can pick each others brains, feed off each other and pick each other up. They will become a very cohesive unit as a result and I think we are watching the next core being built of what will hopefully be the next championship run for many years to come. I think it will push Hughes to try to match what Kennedy is doing, and competition like that is a good thing. It also shows him its not so difficult, there's Kennedy doing it. In the case of both Hughes and Kennedy, they (like most pitchers) got into trouble when they got behind in the count. You'll notice as the game went on, Kennedy kept throwing strike 1. He also talked on the post game about how after he shook off the nerves, he just tried to "stay aggressive". Strike 1 and staying aggressive will solve most of Hughes problems if he was taking notes, and I'm sure he was.


BTW-Seattle lost again. Now 2 up in WC, and finally up 1 in the loss.

[TheGameHHH]

Wow, what a game. That was exactly what I had hoped for. That outing by Kennedy was MUCH better than anything I've seen out of Hughes barring the 7 no-hit innings in Texas. He said on the post game that he didn't really settle in until the 3rd, and after that he was terrific. In his case you don't have to worry about any "second time around the league" stuff, there's not that much time left in the season.

I also like having so many of the rookies in the rotation and in the clubhouse. They can pick each others brains, feed off each other and pick each other up. Plus, I think it will push Hughes to try to match what Kennedy is doing, and competition like that is a good thing. It also shows him its not so difficult, there's Kennedy doing it. In the case of both Hughes and Kennedy, they (like most pitchers) got into trouble when they got behind in the count. You'll notice as the game went on, Kennedy kept throwing strike 1. He also talked on the post game about how after he shook off the nerves, he just tried to "stay aggressive". Strike 1 and staying aggressive will solve most of Hughes problems if he was taking notes, and I'm sure he was.


BTW-Seattle lost again. Now 2 up in WC, and finally up 1 in the loss.

exactly, and if we as fans learned anything from the 2003 Marlins its that young pitchers can dominate a post-season. maybe these rookies will help us if the Yanks can make it into October.

[HBox]

So, how about this Clay Buchholz character totally ripping off Phil Hughes?

[HBox]

Wow, what a game. That was exactly what I had hoped for. That outing by Kennedy was MUCH better than anything I've seen out of Hughes barring the 7 no-hit innings in Texas. He said on the post game that he didn't really settle in until the 3rd, and after that he was terrific. In his case you don't have to worry about any "second time around the league" stuff, there's not that much time left in the season.

I also like having so many of the rookies in the rotation and in the clubhouse. They can pick each others brains, feed off each other and pick each other up. They will become a very cohesive unit as a result and I think we are watching the next core being built of what will hopefully be the next championship run for many years to come. I think it will push Hughes to try to match what Kennedy is doing, and competition like that is a good thing. It also shows him its not so difficult, there's Kennedy doing it. In the case of both Hughes and Kennedy, they (like most pitchers) got into trouble when they got behind in the count. You'll notice as the game went on, Kennedy kept throwing strike 1. He also talked on the post game about how after he shook off the nerves, he just tried to "stay aggressive". Strike 1 and staying aggressive will solve most of Hughes problems if he was taking notes, and I'm sure he was.


BTW-Seattle lost again. Now 2 up in WC, and finally up 1 in the loss.

Hughes usually has the kind of command with his fastball that Kennedy displayed today, except his is usually faster. Unfortunately he has displayed neither the command nor the velocity that makes him good since returning from the DL. His velocity was the only good thing to take from his latest outing. His fastball was sitting consistently at 93, which is up from his last few starts.

[JPMNICK]

the best part of the game today was shelly duncan diving into 3rd after he pinch ran for Giambi. anyone else catch that?

[JPMNICK]

Hughes usually has the kind of command with his fastball that Kennedy displayed today, except his is usually faster. Unfortunately he has displayed neither the command nor the velocity that makes him good since returning from the DL. His velocity was the only good thing to take from his latest outing. His fastball was sitting consistently at 93, which is up from his last few starts.

I have a feeling Hughes is still hurting a little. no other reason for the velocity to be down so much, unless he is having arm problems

[lleeder]

the best part of the game today was shelly duncan diving into 3rd after he pinch ran for Giambi. anyone else catch that?

He's an animal. I can't wait to see him charge the mound, the day some unlucky pitcher hits him.

[HBox]

I have a feeling Hughes is still hurting a little. no other reason for the velocity to be down so much, unless he is having arm problems

I think he just hasn't built up arm strength yet. He had two months of throwing at the start, then got injured and didn't throw at all for nearly two more months. Now he's back. That his velocity is improving seems to me a sign it's just needing to work up arm strength. And hopefully the control will come too. With his control he could still be very good throwing 92.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm just saddened that we got through Kennedy's first MLB start and not one Kennedy joke. Damnit.

And every time I hear the name "Clay Bucholz", I think of Chico from the Magnificent Seven.

[lleeder]

I'm just saddened that we got through Kennedy's first MLB start and not one Kennedy joke. Damnit.

Did you see his windup? back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left...

[JPMNICK]

I'm just saddened that we got through Kennedy's first MLB start and not one Kennedy joke. Damnit.

And every time I hear the name "Clay Bucholz", I think of Chico from the Magnificent Seven.

is it odd that he is standing on a grassless knoll?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did you see his windup? back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left...

After A-Rod's error, he started crawling towards the pitcher's mount before Jeter tackled him back into the infield.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don Mattingly is being sworn in as the new manager on the Yankees charter right now.

[Bulldogcakes]

I think he just hasn't built up arm strength yet. He had two months of throwing at the start, then got injured and didn't throw at all for nearly two more months. Now he's back. That his velocity is improving seems to me a sign it's just needing to work up arm strength. And hopefully the control will come too. With his control he could still be very good throwing 92.

I seem to remember people whispering that his fastball wasn't breaking 92 the FIRST time he came up, before the hamstring/ankle injuries. He's also been pitching now since July 24th (6 weeks ago) plus was throwing in rehab before that. His arm should be plenty strong by now, thats longer than spring training games. I really don't know what to make of it. Is it the change in arm angle to the over the top (he was 3/4 last year) he uses now? Is he and/or the Yanks hiding an injury? No idea.

What did you think of Kennedy? I like him a lot, but I understand why some project him as a back of the rotation guy. He's all about his location, if he's off he'll get pounded. But he's shown excellent control at every level, so I see no reason why he won't here. He reminds me more of Jimmy Key than Mussina though in terms of stuff. He has a nice 4 seamer that looks faster than it is, good slider and the changeup is clearly his out pitch. Thats what Key threw, Moose is more of a fastball/curveball guy.

[Bulldogcakes]

Don Mattingly is being sworn in as the new manager on the Yankees charter right now.

He said to Posada before the game
"Ask not what your pitcher can do for you, ask what you can do for your pitcher"

He also mentioned something about being from Berlin.

[HBox]

I seem to remember people whispering that his fastball wasn't breaking 92 the FIRST time he came up, before the hamstring/ankle injuries. He's also been pitching now since July 24th (6 weeks ago) plus was throwing in rehab before that. His arm should be plenty strong by now, thats longer than spring training games. I really don't know what to make of it. Is it the change in arm angle to the over the top (he was 3/4 last year) he uses now? Is he and/or the Yanks hiding an injury? No idea.

What did you think of Kennedy? I like him a lot, but I understand why some project him as a back of the rotation guy. He's all about his location, if he's off he'll get pounded. But he's shown excellent control at every level, so I see no reason why he won't here. He reminds me more of Jimmy Key than Mussina though in terms of stuff. He has a nice 4 seamer that looks faster than it is, good slider and the changeup is clearly his out pitch. Thats what Key threw, Moose is more of a fastball/curveball guy.

I remember Hughes consistently up around 93-94 and occasionally 95 in Texas. Whatever is up with him I trust will be figured out cleaned up in time.

As for Kennedy I've always disagreed when people try to cap his potential. With his velocity he doesn't have much of a margin of error but he has great potential and looks to have a great pitching mind. And he still reminds me more of Mussina than Key. I think he even throws a knuckle curve. I'm really high on him even though his groundball fly ball ratio is troubling. He is definitely a fly ball pitcher.

[HBox]

He said to Posada before the game
"Ask not what your pitcher can do for you, ask what you can do for your pitcher"

He also mentioned something about being from Berlin.

So he said he was a donut?

Anyone who gets that one gets TWO GOLD STARS.

[JPMNICK]

I remember Hughes consistently up around 93-94 and occasionally 95 in Texas. Whatever is up with him I trust will be figured out cleaned up in time.

As for Kennedy I've always disagreed when people try to cap his potential. With his velocity he doesn't have much of a margin of error but he has great potential and looks to have a great pitching mind. And he still reminds me more of Mussina than Key. I think he even throws a knuckle curve. I'm really high on him even though his groundball fly ball ratio is troubling. He is definitely a fly ball pitcher.

i said the same thing today, he def reminds me a lot of mussina. he is not a power pitcher, but more of finesse and location. i think he only gets better, and is a quality #3 or 4 starter 14-18 wins per season consistent

[Tenbatsuzen]

So he said he was a donut?

Anyone who gets that one gets TWO GOLD STARS.

mmmm, delicious jelly-filled mispronunciation

[Bulldogcakes]

So he said he was a donut?

Anyone who gets that one gets TWO GOLD STARS.

I got it, I have German relatives.

Speaking of international gaffes, ever see Nixon do his "OK" sign with his hands as he would wave goodbye to a crowd? In one eastern European country that sign means "you're a zero" and in South America it means "asshole". And yes, he visited both places and (unknowingly) gave the sign as he waved goodbye.

[A.J.]

I'm just saddened that we got through Kennedy's first MLB start and not one Kennedy joke. Damnit.

I'm worried about when he goes to pitch against the Rangers.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm really high on him even though his groundball fly ball ratio is troubling. He is definitely a fly ball pitcher.

If he was a lefty I'd agree, but in Yankee stadium righties are generally better off getting ground balls. As we saw today with Upton, his mistakes are going to go a looong way. But I know what you're saying. I'd have to see his splits (and watch him a few more times) to really say for sure.
About people rating him lower, it bugs me too. People get so hung up on radar guns thinking you need to throw 95 to get guys out, and there's so much more to pitching than that. His ability to locate is what will win him ballgames. Here's a few guys off the top of my head who never threw 95 MPH Pettite, Mussina, Key, and El Duque. I'll take that rotation.

[Bulldogcakes]

Story (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09022007/sports/mets/pelfrey_could_have_made_mark_i.htm)

Carl Pavano is signed with the Yankees through next season, but you would have a better chance of seeing George Steinbrenner on "Dancing with the Stars" than Pavano rehabilitating after Tommy John surgery at a Yankee complex.

"He's rehabbing at home," GM Brian Cashman said. When told that it was odd to owe a player more than $14 million still and have his rights through next year, but yet not have him doing his rehab work under the club's auspices, Cashman said, "Our doctors and trainers are aware of his rehab program."

It is obvious Pavano will not be in spring training with the Yanks next year. The most likely scenario has the Yanks simply outrighting him this winter as a way to clear a 40-man roster spot since they do not expect him to ever pitch for the organization again anyway.



Red Sox like Igawa (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spken025356569sep02,0,6353642.column)


Should Cashman eventually bail on Igawa, however, there's one team in particular that would work diligently to acquire him. This team would have to wait for the Yankees to unload Igawa elsewhere, because Cashman won't be sending Igawa to this team.

Yes, the Red Sox think highly of Igawa, according to an official from an American League club, and they would love the opportunity to put a third Japanese pitcher on their roster.

[RogerDornShortHops]

I was at the game yesterday. Kennedy looked real good. Very tough to watch, though. The guy takes about a minute in betweeen every pitch.

Found out about the whole bat situation after the game, figured it was that. What happened with that is a good example of how A-Rod is a completely different guy this season. Last season, if they took his bat, that would have completely messed with his head for the rest of the game. He just jumped on that pitch and smacked the base hit. He's letting all that kind of stuff roll this season. Same with the pop-up he missed early in the game.

[sailor]

mmmm, delicious jelly-filled mispronunciation

now i'm starvin'!

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/1749/berliner28mt.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm worried about when he goes to pitch against the Rangers.

Ron will be inconsolable through the entire series.

[JPMNICK]

I was at the game yesterday. Kennedy looked real good. Very tough to watch, though. The guy takes about a minute in betweeen every pitch.



i was going to miss the 1st hour of the game yesterday, but i really wanted to see him pitch, so i threw it on my DVD to record. it is the best way to watch a game. he takes 30 seconds between each pitch, which is 3 clicks of my 10 second skip. worked out perfect. but he is fucking painfully slow on the mound

and i have this gripe to add. why on the TV schedule are baseball games only 3 hours?

[sailor]

i was going to miss the 1st hour of the game yesterday, but i really wanted to see him pitch, so i threw it on my DVD to record. it is the best way to watch a game. he takes 30 seconds between each pitch, which is 3 clicks of my 10 second skip. worked out perfect. but he is fucking painfully slow on the mound

and i have this gripe to add. why on the TV schedule are baseball games only 3 hours?

you burnt it onto a dvd? sweet!

[JPMNICK]

you burnt it onto a dvd? sweet!

actually I did for my neighbor who missed the game

[Doctor Z]

Wait wait, hold on... I figured out the problem. Look at these numbers:

1-4
7.44 ERA

...

UNHITTABLE.

[lleeder]

Joba and Phil Hughes are doing an appearance on September 20th by my house. Alot of Yankees show up there but this is the first time I think I'll check it out.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wait wait, hold on... I figured out the problem. Look at these numbers:

1-4
7.44 ERA

...

UNHITTABLE.



Its really disgusting the way this team just doesn't show up some days. But if they sweep Seattle all will be forgiven, I guess.

Something tells me that even if they do, it will get interesting again before the end of the year. Either with Seattle or Detroit.

[Doctor Z]

The law of averages dictates that we will not sweep Seattle. They've lost 9 straight now. They are due for at least a win. Not to be a negative nancy, but a 12-game losing streak?

It also depends on if we face minor league pitchers. IF Seattle knows what's good for them, they'll call up 3 guys from AA who have ERA's in the upper 7's, just for this series. Then they're likely to be the ones doing the sweeping.

PS - Oakland tied it up in the bottom of the 9th. 7-7, bottom 10th right now. GO CHOKELAND!

[Doctor Z]

A's win! A's win! :clap:

[Bulldogcakes]

I love him, but it also might be time to think of Edwar Ramirez as a righty specialist.
He's death on Righties (.208 BA/.276 OPB/.651OPS) less effective against lefties (.250 BA/.455 OBP/1.080 OPS). Lefties are just way too productive against him, they obviously see the ball much better and are walking more and hitting for more power.

Maybe Mo can teach him his cutter next spring.

[lleeder]

The law of averages dictates that we will not sweep Seattle. They've lost 9 straight now. They are due for at least a win. Not to be a negative nancy, but a 12-game losing streak?

It also depends on if we face minor league pitchers. IF Seattle knows what's good for them, they'll call up 3 guys from AA who have ERA's in the upper 7's, just for this series. Then they're likely to be the ones doing the sweeping.

PS - Oakland tied it up in the bottom of the 9th. 7-7, bottom 10th right now. GO CHOKELAND!

I agree with this strategy for any team facing the Yankees.
Thank God Detroit couldn't capitalize on a chance to get a game.

[Bulldogcakes]

Cashman to make the call on Torre's future (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/09/03/2007-09-03_brian_cashman_likely_to_decide_whether_j.html)



Torre has always enjoyed a close relationship with Cashman, but there are people around the Yankees who think the GM, whose commitment to youth is already changing the look of the Yankees, wouldn't mind a change at manager as well.

They cite the rather famous pitching rules for Joba Chamberlain as an example that Cashman is wary of allowing Torre to do as he pleases with the young arms the GM prizes.

Its all over the papers today. Seems to be the theme on a slow news day. I think the only way he comes back is a World Series appearance, and I don't think they'll get there this year. I'm just not sure they have enough pitching, and the hitting (as hitting always does) comes and goes.

I think its also been clear for a while that Cashman wants to develop young arms, and doesn't trust Joe to do that. The fact the Joba rules were put in place tells me there's a difference in philosophy between Joe and Brian that likely runs deeper than we know. I think all this makes Girardi the front runner. Mattingly is Torre-light, and many question whether he's ready yet.

[cougarjake13]

Cashman to make the call on Torre's future (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/09/03/2007-09-03_brian_cashman_likely_to_decide_whether_j.html)



Its all over the papers today. Seems to be the theme on a slow news day. I think the only way he comes back is a World Series appearance, and I don't think they'll get there this year. I'm just not sure they have enough pitching, and the hitting (as hitting always does) comes and goes.

I think its also been clear for a while that Cashman wants to develop young arms, and doesn't trust Joe to do that. The fact the Joba rules were put in place tells me there's a difference in philosophy between Joe and Brian that likely runs deeper than we know. I think all this makes Girardi the front runner. Mattingly is Torre-light, and many question whether he's ready yet.

i think ya gotta go with giradi over mattingly

he has experience and he did well with a shitty payroll in fla

plus matts only been coaching for a few years no ???

[sailor]

girardi couldn't work with loria, why do you assume steinbrenner would be a good fit? and there's no such thing as a law of averages. likewise, no one is ever "due" for a win.

[cougarjake13]

girardi couldn't work with loria, why do you assume steinbrenner would be a good fit? and there's no such thing as a law of averages. likewise, no one is ever "due" for a win.

b/c steinbrenner does everything he can to win


loria has fucked 2 franchises over with not spending $$$$$$$$$$

[TheMojoPin]

i think ya gotta go with giradi over mattingly

he has experience and he did well with a shitty payroll in fla

plus matts only been coaching for a few years no ???

How does that make Girardi the better choice? He's only coached and managed a few years, too, and he's often talked about how much he learned under Torre.

[cougarjake13]

How does that make Girardi the better choice? He's only coached and managed a few years, too, and he's often talked about how much he learned under Torre.

well he was coaching on the yankees staf for a few years no ?? at least more than matts and then the one year gig with the marlins

[Dan 'Hampton]

You're assuming that Steinbrenner is still controling the team. Which from accounts in NY papers he's barely coherent let alone running the baseball team. One of the Tampa guys will pick the new manager. I'll be interested to see how high paid veterans respond to Girardi who's authoritarian style worked well with rookies and prospects.

[Doctor Z]

Catchers make the best managers, and Girardi's already got a Manager of the Year under his belt after only ONE season. And in that season, he proved that he works well with developing young players. I'll take Girardi over Mattingly, hands down.

[sailor]

mattingly was yankees hitting coach for 2004, 2005 and 2006. he was their bench coach for 2007.

girardi was yankees bench coach in 1995 and marlins manager in 2006.

to me, their level of experience is very similar. since mattingly has never been a manager i have no clue how he'd do in that role.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As a refresher for you panicky petes:

Worst case scenario: Yankees are 1 out at the end of this series.

Best case scenarior: Yankees are five up.

Mariners take two of three: Yankees are 1 up.

Yankees take two of three: Yankees are three up.

[sailor]

As a refresher for you panicky petes:

Worst case scenario: Yankees are 1 out at the end of this series.

Best case scenarior: Yankees are five up.

Mariners take two of three: Yankees are 1 up.

Yankees take two of three: Yankees are three up.

was someone panicking over the mariners? really?

[Tenbatsuzen]

was someone panicking over the mariners? really?

The law of averages dictates that we will not sweep Seattle. They've lost 9 straight now. They are due for at least a win. Not to be a negative nancy, but a 12-game losing streak?



Not exactly panic, just saying.

[Doctor Z]

Don't count out Detroit. They're in this Wild Card race just as much as Seattle.

[TheGameHHH]

i dont care what you guys say, "King" Felix scares the hell out of me. If the Yankee line-up made Chad Gaudin look like Cy Young, Felix has a chance to be lights out.

I do like that theyre running the bases well today

[Doctor Z]

Fucking Clemens. Fucking fuck. Shit.

Why couldn't we just beat Tampa Fucking Bay?

[JPMNICK]

mussina warming up in the bullpen

[Doctor Z]

6-8 in our last 14 games, and we've lost 3 of our last 4 series (4 of 5, if we don't win the next 2 games against Seattle).

I think I see what we're trying to do here... For every series we won following the All-Star break, we're trying to lose a series to make up for it. So, with any luck, that good run will be completely reversed by the end of September.

[lleeder]

Inconsistent hitting and inconsistent starting pitching, this team is done. They could have opened like a 5 game lead this weekend and now after today it'll be down to 1. Tommorows starter has a 7 era so the Yankees will probably get one hit by him. Its fucking over. Thanks for ruining my Labor Day, Yankees. :wallbash:

[Bulldogcakes]

You're assuming that Steinbrenner is still controling the team. Which from accounts in NY papers he's barely coherent let alone running the baseball team.

Bingo. Its not 1978, the Steinbrenner thing is not an issue. If it was Torre would have been gone long ago.

One of the Tampa guys will pick the new manager. I'll be interested to see how high paid veterans respond to Girardi who's authoritarian style worked well with rookies and prospects.

Actually, if you read the linked article (or any of the local papers) it made it very clear that Cashman will be making the call. Its on the baseball side, and he controls that. Thats why the relationship between Cash and Torre is interesting.

And the "authoritarian style" stuff is nonsense. If you have a team full of rookies, you'll manage one way, if you have lots of veterans you'll manage another. Its not an either/or situation. Actually, from listening to him call games for the past few years he's made it clear he would handle the veterans differently than the young guys. Which is the right way to go about it, the young guys have to earn his trust.
Plus he got that reputation from an incident he had with the pitcher Olson and his star player Cabrera. Olson is a head case, which was long rumored and has become evident by his rap sheet. And Cabrera deserved to get chewed out, he attacked one of his teammates (Olson) for showing him up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Torre will never be fired. He's going to "retire". Bet on it.

[Bulldogcakes]

mattingly was yankees hitting coach for 2004, 2005 and 2006. he was their bench coach for 2007.

girardi was yankees bench coach in 1995 and marlins manager in 2006.

to me, their level of experience is very similar. since mattingly has never been a manager i have no clue how he'd do in that role.

Girardi was talked about and prepared for being a manager all the way back to his playing days with the Yanks. Mattingly took 10 years off and had to be coaxed back into coaching, which makes some wonder about his 'fire in the belly' for managing. Girardi has not only managed, but won manager of the year in his one year of service. Mattingly has never managed. Mattingly has been quoted as saying "Being bench coach with Torre has opened up a whole other side of the game I never paid attention to (Pitching and how to handle a staff)" Girardi as a catcher handled pitchers his entire career.

There's really no comparison in terms of qualifications. The only area where Mattingly may be a better choice is in terms of temperament, and actually I think thats one of the reasons to choose Girardi. Someone with more fire and ambition, a stark contrast to Torre. If you want Torre-lite in Mattingly, you might as well just keep Torre. If you want to head in a different direction (which they already are with the youth movement) then you take Girardi.

[Bulldogcakes]

Torre will never be fired. He's going to "retire". Bet on it.

I'm not talking about "firing" Joe. I just want Cashman to let his contract expire at the end of the year. And then he can take one of those other jobs we keep hearing about, and we'll see how smart he is without George's money.

[Doctor Z]

Inconsistent hitting and inconsistent starting pitching, this team is done. They could have opened like a 5 game lead this weekend and now after today it'll be down to 1. Tommorows starter has a 7 era so the Yankees will probably get one hit by him. Its fucking over. Thanks for ruining my Labor Day, Yankees. :wallbash:

If we had simply split with Detroit and taken 2 of 3 from Tampa Bay (I don't think that's demanding too much), we'd have a 4.0 game lead heading into today. I wish it wasn't true, but I have to pretty much agree with everything you just said. We're fucked.

[JPMNICK]

I'm not talking about "firing" Joe. I just want Cashman to let his contract expire at the end of the year. And then he can take one of those other jobs we keep hearing about, and we'll see how smart he is without George's money.

he managed before the Yanks, check out his record then

[JPMNICK]

If we had simply split with Detroit and taken 2 of 3 from Tampa Bay (I don't think that's asking for much), we'd have a 4.0 game lead heading into today. I wish it wasn't true, but I have to pretty much agree with everything you just said. We're fucked.

having a losing record this season against TB is going to come back and bite them in the ass

there is no reason not to have 5 more wins against TB than they do now.

[JPMNICK]

Torre ended his career as a manager in the National League with a losing record: 894 wins and 1,003 loses, a .471 average.

[Bulldogcakes]

he managed before the Yanks, check out his record then

Exactly, my friend.

[Bulldogcakes]

BTW-I still have extra tickets to tomorrow's game. Anyone wants to go, PM me.
They're free, I got them on a special the Yank ran and accidentally ordered too many.
7:00 start, Wang is pitching.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Torre ended his career as a manager in the National League with a losing record: 894 wins and 1,003 loses, a .471 average.

Yet if he retires at the end of the season, he's HOF bound.

[cougarjake13]

mattingly was yankees hitting coach for 2004, 2005 and 2006. he was their bench coach for 2007.

girardi was yankees bench coach in 1995 and marlins manager in 2006.

to me, their level of experience is very similar. since mattingly has never been a manager i have no clue how he'd do in that role.

you must have meant 2005 as girardi was catching for the rockies in 95

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/girarjo01.shtml

[cougarjake13]

another reason to not hire mattingly



The Curse of Donnie Baseball
The New York Yankees won the American League pennant in 1981. In 1982, the team called up Don Mattingly from the minor leagues. The Yanks failed to win a pennant for his entire career. His last season as an active player was 1995. The Yankees won the World Series in 1996. Despite such achievements as the American League's batting title in 1984, its Most Valuable Player Award in 1985, and a team record for most hits in a season in 1986, with 238, Mattingly never appeared on a pennant-winning team.

The Yankees won the World Series in 1996, the first year Mattingly wasn't in uniform since they won the pennant without him in 1981. In 1997, the Yankees retired Mattingly's uniform number 23 and dedicated a plaque in his honor that would rest in Monument Park at Yankee Stadium. That season, the Yankees finished second in the American League Eastern Division to the Orioles, and it remains the last season (through 2006) in which the Yankees did not win the division title. The next season, 1998, the Yankees began a run of five American League pennants in six seasons, ending with the 2003 World Series. Despite losing in the World Series, the Yankees dramatically won the AL pennant in 2003 in an extra inning Game 7 against the Boston Red Sox.

In 2004, Mattingly was hired as the team's hitting instructor. The Yankees were one game away from winning the American League pennant, when they had a historic meltdown, being the first team in Major League history to lose a 7-game series after being up three games to none to the Boston Red Sox, thus setting the stage for the Sox to end the Curse of the Bambino against St. Louis in the World Series. In the next season on the job, the Yankees again failed to win the pennant despite winning their division and having the highest payroll in baseball.

This has led to the suggestion that the Yankees will never win a pennant as long as Mattingly is in uniform. Between their first pennant in 1921 and 1981, and again from 1996 to 2003, a total of 69 seasons, the Yankees won 39 American League pennants, or 56 percent of the available pennants. In the 16 seasons in which Mattingly has been in a Yankee uniform (1982 to 1995 and 2004 to 2006), the Yankees have never won. Unless, of course, you count in the 2000 season, when Mattingly returned to Yankee Stadium to play in his first Old Timer's day.

[BoondockSaint]

Clemens got sent for an MRI on his elbow.

[lleeder]

Clemens got sent for an MRI on his elbow.

At this point it really doesn't matter. The Yankees have 2 starters Wang and Pettitte everyone else and even those two are hit or miss.

[TheGameHHH]

Clemens got sent for an MRI on his elbow.

and will miss his next start.......but thats ok, guess which awesome pitcher is lined up to take his place???? thats right, Moose.

[sailor]

you must have meant 2005 as girardi was catching for the rockies in 95

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/girarjo01.shtml

well yes, obviously. don't think that quite necessitated a baseball-reference link. :glurps:

[lleeder]

and will miss his next start.......but thats ok, guess which awesome pitcher is lined up to take his place???? thats right, Moose.

He'll be sure to change those moo-se calls to boo-s

[Bulldogcakes]

and will miss his next start.......but thats ok, guess which awesome pitcher is lined up to take his place???? thats right, Moose.

It also means Kennedy stays in for the foreseeable future, so I'm a happy guy.

[Doctor Z]

Just when I was starting to warm up to Andy Phillips, that pitch that hit him yesterday chipped a bone in his wrist. Done for the year. His defense at first base was definitely a plus and he was finally learning to not swing for the fences in every at-bat. So this fucking sucks more balls.

[TheGameHHH]

It also means Kennedy stays in for the foreseeable future, so I'm a happy guy.

I thought Kennedy was staying in until he pulled a DeSalvo.

[JPMNICK]

Just when I was starting to warm up to Andy Phillips, that pitch that hit him yesterday chipped a bone in his wrist. Done for the year. His defense at first base was definitely a plus and he was finally learning to not swing for the fences in every at-bat. So this fucking sucks more balls.

i think minkevitz is coming back, which means another solid .218 hitter in the 9 hole

[Bulldogcakes]

I thought Kennedy was staying in until he pulled a DeSalvo.

Not according to Torre. He was only guaranteed one more start.


Phillips was doing great, and he's a nice story. But I can't get too upset abpout losing a first baseman. One thing this team has too many of is 1B. You still have Betemit and Duncan from the right side, and Giambi and Mientkevitz from the left.


Did I mention that I'm absolutely fucking disgusted with this fucking team? 6-8 in the past 14 games. The only reason they have the WC lead is the Seattle collapse. Don't tell me how hard this team plays for Torre. They get up for the Bosox, and give a half hearted effort against everyone else. Why wouldn't they? Torre doesn't hold anyone accountable. Let them lose the WC, get a new manager and try again next year. I'm so sick of losing to guys with 7+ ERA's.

[lleeder]

I'm so sick of losing to guys with 7+ ERA's.
Ramirez 8-4, 6.55 I bet you can't wait til tomorrow then.

[JPMNICK]

after seeing them lose today, and again to TB the last few days, there is no way they move beyond the 1st round of the playoffs. they just can not consistently pull it together.

[Doctor Z]

Not according to Torre. He was only guaranteed one more start.


Phillips was doing great, and he's a nice story. But I can't get too upset abpout losing a first baseman. One thing this team has too many of is 1B. You still have Betemit and Duncan from the right side, and Giambi and Mientkevitz from the left.


Did I mention that I'm absolutely fucking disgusted with this fucking team? 6-8 in the past 14 games. The only reason they have the WC lead is the Seattle collapse. Don't tell me how hard this team plays for Torre. They get up for the Bosox, and give a half hearted effort against everyone else. Why wouldn't they? Torre doesn't hold anyone accountable. Let them lose the WC, get a new manager and try again next year. I'm so sick of losing to guys with 7+ ERA's.
Again, hate to say it, but SO fucking true.

[Doctor Z]

Wow. Toronto went down 10-1, then proceeded to put up a fucking 8-SPOT in the top of the 6th inning... and still lost.

[RingWraith]

girardi couldn't work with loria, why do you assume steinbrenner would be a good fit? and there's no such thing as a law of averages. likewise, no one is ever "due" for a win.

Thanks for jinxing it.

[Doctor Z]

and there's no such thing as a law of averages. likewise, no one is ever "due" for a win.

Name the last team to go 0-162. Wins happen eventually.

[Doctor Z]

Heading to The Stadium now... and if I don't witness a Yankee win, I may throw myself off the facade.

If I don't return, it's been a pleasure.

[JPMNICK]

Heading to The Stadium now... and if I don't witness a Yankee win, I may throw myself off the facade.

If I don't return, it's been a pleasure.

you will be missed.

[JPMNICK]

So does anyone else think Clemens is done for the season? He is getting a cortisone shot tomorrow.

[sailor]

Name the last team to go 0-162. Wins happen eventually.

of course not. but your odds of winning don't go up because you've lost a few games in a row (or 161 even). if you flip a coin and it's heads 11 times in a row, what are the odds on the 12th flip?

[TheGameHHH]

What a night for CMW.......he's such a stopper.

[RogerDornShortHops]

A-Rod's homer tonight was an absolute bomb!

[Kevin]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash:


Christ.. Vizcieno has been showing signs of over use and tiering.. So The Logical move would be to put him in an 11-1 game.... Right?? Torre is such a buffoon..

[JPMNICK]

A-Rod's homer tonight was an absolute bomb!

yea that was a MONSTER shot

Anyone here anything on Wong? is he hurt? why did they take him out?

[JPMNICK]

Do you think Visciano makes the post season roster? he has pitched like shit the last few times I have seen him. I thought for a while after the all star break he found his groove, but I guess not

[Doctor Z]

I'M STILL ALIVE... although I almost died when A-Rod laid on the ground, gripping his knee in agony. Scared the fuck outta me... The whole Stadium was holding their breath.

Sidenote: Why the fuck was Wang out for the 8th, after a 25-minute bottom of the 7th, in an 11-1 game? Why start his arm up again after such a long inning on the bench, when the game is already won? Oh right, because Joe Torre doesn't understand pitching.


( Foul Pole Squirrel made a return appearance tonight. )

[JPMNICK]

I'M STILL ALIVE... although I almost died when A-Rod laid on the ground, gripping his knee in agony. Scared the fuck outta me... The whole Stadium was holding their breath.

Sidenote: Why the fuck was Wang out for the 8th, after a 25-minute bottom of the 7th, in an 11-1 game? Why start his arm up again after such a long inning on the bench, when the game is already won? Oh right, because Joe Torre doesn't understand pitching.


( Foul Pole Squirrel made a return appearance tonight. )

the Squirrel was on the TV all night.

and I was also wondering about sending him back out there in the 8th. Maybe they were trying to salvage the pen a little

[Doctor Z]

Yeah, but in an 11-1 game, you can throw out WHOEVER you want. It's mop up time. Farnsworth shouldda been out there.

[JPMNICK]

Yeah, but in an 11-1 game, you can throw out WHOEVER you want. It's mop up time. Farnsworth shouldda been out there.

why so he gave up enough runs for Mariano to come in and get the save.

with the off day on thursday, we should def. see Joba tommorow

[TheGameHHH]

yea that was a MONSTER shot

Anyone here anything on Wong? is he hurt? why did they take him out?

his back stiffened up and he had trouble getting loose. he's fine

[JPMNICK]

his back stiffened up and he had trouble getting loose. he's fine

as long as it is not his finger, fine with me

[Doctor Z]

"You don't want him to get hurt," Posada said. "He's too valuable. I just wanted to make sure he was OK." (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070905&content_id=2190048&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

It's pretty sad when the catcher has to manage your pitching staff.

[JPMNICK]

"You don't want him to get hurt," Posada said. "He's too valuable. I just wanted to make sure he was OK." (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070905&content_id=2190048&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

It's pretty sad when the catcher has to manage your pitching staff.

well he does have the best view and understand of the pitcher, so i guess that is part of his job.

i am not sure why Guidry didn't pull him when he went out to the mound

[Bulldogcakes]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash:


Christ.. Vizcieno has been showing signs of over use and tiering.. So The Logical move would be to put him in an 11-1 game.... Right?? Torre is such a buffoon..

I thought the same thing, but when it comes to Torre I give up.

BTW-The FAN is reporting Vizcaino is out for till Monday with a sore shoulder. Had to happen sooner or later. Don't think Cashman doesn't notice these things, too.

[Doctor Z]

This is why the Joba rules are in place. Because management doesn't trust Torre with pitchers, and rightfully so. The Joba rules literally exist to protect Joba Chamberlain from Joe Torre.

[ChrisTheCop]

This is why the Joba rules are in place. Because management doesn't trust Torre with pitchers, and rightfully so. The Joba rules literally exist to protect Joba Chamberlain from Joe Torre.

why? is he black?

[Bulldogcakes]

I understand that Torre wants to put together an "All DL" team which will play simulated games in the middle of the night, so he can make sure Clemens and Vizcaino don't get "too rusty".

[Doctor Z]

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_429984.jpg
"What's THIS?! A DAY OFF?!"

[TheGameHHH]

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughes

[Crippler]

Don't you mean YOOOOOOOOOZ? My God, I've found a way to hate Michael Kay just for pronunciation. Everytime he mentions the boy's name, it's always first & last name together, and there isn't a hint of the letter "h" in there. I can't stand listening to a game when Kay does the announcing.