New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[cougarjake13]

the yanks just edged past boston for the best expected wins (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20070805&type=exp&br=5&year=2007&column=gamesBehind&order=false&st=2) in the league

thats for what they think they should have

not what theyll have at the end of the year which is what i thought the link was gonn show me

[HBox]

Including the Twins.

You haven't been paying any attention to what Johan's been saying, huh?

[sailor]

So what? That might be the dumbest stat I've ever read. It's based on runs for and runs against and sure the yanks should be better in terms of record right now with the money and team they field. Yet this is off mainly because they have a tendency to win their games big and lose a lot of one run games. Hence the move letting Proctor go baffles me to this day since the pen is huge in these type games. 9-15 I believe is the yank's record in one run games.

it's a very good indicator of how teams are playing overall. and you say it's stupid and then agree with everything it's telling you. i've never heard bill james called stupid. that's just crazy talk.

[sailor]

thats for what they think they should have

not what theyll have at the end of the year which is what i thought the link was gonn show me

it's not what they THINK they should have...it's a pretty accurate math formula.

[spoon]

You haven't been paying any attention to what Johan's been saying, huh?

I have, but I referring to teams that try to win and regardless of what he thinks the Twins field pretty damn competitive teams with their salary. I'd say they're one of the most successful teams in their financial bracket easily up there with the Oakland type teams.

[spoon]

it's a very good indicator of how teams are playing overall. and you say it's stupid and then agree with everything it's telling you. i've never heard bill james called stupid. that's just crazy talk.

It's dumb bc it has no future value at all. It simply what he thinks should have been, who cares?

Bill James is stupid. Mark it down.

[spoon]

it's not what they THINK they should have...it's a pretty accurate math formula.

So, how do we dispute a fake/madeup stat based on fucking calculations? Perhaps we should just go by it and rework the standings. yanks in first!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Yet this is off mainly because they have a tendency to win their games big and lose a lot of one run games. Hence the move letting Proctor go baffles me to this day since the pen is huge in these type games. 9-15 I believe is the yank's record in one run games.

You nailed it, their tendency to lose one run games is all about their crap bullpen. They're banking on Chamberlain to add some length to the pen, he's been blowing away AAA and looks ready.

I felt the same way about letting Proctor go, but the thinking was that Joe already killed his arm for the year and they already had 2 other "Proctor" types on the staff in Bruney and Farnsworth. All 3 were basically right handed hard throwers and gave hitters the same look for the most part.

But I cant argue with the deal. Wilson Betemit has been huge. He and Molina have made a world of difference for the lack of bench problem which also cost them. There are also some rumors that Jeter is banged up, so it makes even more sense.

[sailor]

So, how do we dispute a fake/madeup stat based on fucking calculations? Perhaps we should just go by it and rework the standings. yanks in first!!

that's just silly. no one's saying to re-do the standings. and yes, it's something created, but why do you see that as a bad thing? we use obp, ops, runs created, or win shares to tell us different things about teams and players...do you discard those as well? yes, wins are the bottom line and the only thing that matters in the end, but you still use other tools to tell you why teams have those wins and analyze their past performance. if people talk about team era's do you throw that out as a "fake/madeup stat based on fucking calculations"? do you argue that it's only wins that matter and people should not discuss such things?

edit: i just saw you were talking about how to dispute it, it's been applied to all teams of the 20th century and shown to be about 4 games +/- from the actual win totals. when there is a bigger gap, you know to look deeper, like how the yankees are losing close games, as you pointed out.

[spoon]

Sailor, you're comparing actual stats/numbers added together to stats created by computations. It's night and day my friend. Tell me one thing that this stat helps teams do in any fashion? What's it's purpose? The oh if it could only be stat? Or the look how lucky this computation says we are right now?

[HBox]

Mike Myers was DFA'd.

[cougarjake13]

Mike Myers was DFA'd.

he's not dead for all time

his new movie comes out in a few weeks

[sailor]

Sailor, you're comparing actual stats/numbers added together to stats created by computations. It's night and day my friend. Tell me one thing that this stat helps teams do in any fashion? What's it's purpose? The oh if it could only be stat? Or the look how lucky this computation says we are right now?

isn't addition a computation? i'm seriously confused by your point. i also don't think i said expected wins was something to help teams. it's for fans and writers and a good way to analyze how well a team has played. it's also just plain fun. a lot of the time you can also see teams clearly playing over their heads and reasonably expect them to fall back to earth. for example, arizona has won 63 while only expected to win 53 and sd has won 60 while 62 is their expected number. without knowing really anything about the nl west, i'd be willing to make a friendly bet that sd overtakes arizona by the end of the season.

[Kevin]

Wow, I love how you came up with that amazing comparison of newer player starting to emerge (yankee player) vs. free agent making a lot more not playing as well with newest team. How about I pull out a Damon vs. Rios comparison? It's amazing that Rios making so much less is an all-star and leads him in so many stat categories!

You're still hilarious and one-sided as always. Perhaps a Clemens/Igawa/Pavano vs. Beckett/Matsuzaka/Schilling signings comp would be fun too. And I fucking hate the sox too but their fans aren't retarded. Ok, Fallon and snoogans are I concede that one.

SpoonFnrules is a fag, and you know it!

[spoon]

Hector will destroy you for that comment sir.

And I just think that stat is the gayest of gay in terms of the stat world Sailor. That's the short and the long of it! Ha! I always wanted to sound gay like JustJon. Finally, I have achieved nacho dark side goodness that is Rick Moranis meets Paul Simon. And not a word from you you Albanian albatross.

The next newest stat, based on my extremely complicated calculations is the wins per year if all teams played with team salaries within a set range. No team would be more then 50 million more ahead of any other. Hence, yanks fall to last place behind the Royals and Pirates while attendance drops to lowest levels ever as do the posts in this thread. The only yank fans remaining are Z, H and a newly charged up Philly fan Kevin.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mike Myers was DFA'd.

Well, I guess that's the solution for Giambi. I was hoping they wouldn't get rid of Cairo, or worse, send down Duncan.

The question is, who gets zapped to make room for Joba?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Phil Hughes?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Phil Hughes?

To make room for Joba, it's either going to be Cairo or Bruney.

[A.J.]

And I fucking hate the sox too but their fans aren't retarded. Ok, Fallon and snoogans are I concede that one.

Yaaayyy!!! Spoon didn't include me!!!

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/special-olympics.jpg

[HBox]

It's the moment we've all been waiting for. The man who replaces Myers is......... Jim Brower? (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spybox0608,0,2521691.story)

[Freitag]

The man who replaces Myers is......... Jim Brower?

C'mon. We know his contract with Sirius prevents him from appearing.

[Freitag]

You don't know that. What if he wants to play for the Yankees, and the Dodgers, and the Angels, and Texas is halfway to his native Venezuela and they always need pitching, plus he has that home in Florida, maybe Atlanta would be nice . . .

He's said he wants to play with a team thats trying to win. Thats a lot of teams.

Texas is not trying to win. The Dodgers look good, but they are in a crap division. When was the last time Atlanta spent big money on a FA signing? They stay local.

The Angels will have their money possibly tied up with A-Rod.

[Freitag]

Guy who caught Matsui and Melky's HR baseballs from yesterday (One guy caught both) gave back Matsui's for a signed bat and ball, kept Melky's.

Guy who caught A-Rod's ball hasn't given it up yet, the Yankees offered 10K + Signed Jersey.

I think that's a really lowball offer from the Yankees, especially considering this ball might be worth a lot more than that.

I thought about it driving into work today, and this is what I'd request:

- $50,000 dollars for a down payment on a house.

- Opening day, closing day, and All-Star weekend tickets for next year. (Of course, closing day is subjective - it could be a playoff game)

- Opening day tickets for 2009 or opening day of the new stadium if construction is delayed.

- My choice of 4 prime seats to three future weekend games between 2010-2015 so I can take my kids to their first Baseball game.

[sailor]

Guy who caught Matsui and Melky's HR baseballs from yesterday (One guy caught both) gave back Matsui's for a signed bat and ball, kept Melky's.

Guy who caught A-Rod's ball hasn't given it up yet, the Yankees offered 10K + Signed Jersey.

I think that's a really lowball offer from the Yankees, especially considering this ball might be worth a lot more than that.

I thought about it driving into work today, and this is what I'd request:

- $50,000 dollars for a down payment on a house.

- Opening day, closing day, and All-Star weekend tickets for next year. (Of course, closing day is subjective - it could be a playoff game)

- Opening day tickets for 2009 or opening day of the new stadium if construction is delayed.

- My choice of 4 prime seats to three future weekend games between 2010-2015 so I can take my kids to their first Baseball game.


i assume they're not buying it to put it on the market, hence not offering "market value". if they're buying the ball just so a-rod or the HOF can display it, they should get a break for that. what about tickets for life (not even full-season, but like 20 games a year)? what would that run them?

[Freitag]

i assume they're not buying it to put it on the market, hence not offering "market value". if they're buying the ball just so a-rod or the HOF can display it, they should get a break for that. what about tickets for life (not even full-season, but like 20 games a year)? what would that run them?

Someone said that Market value for that ball is 200K, which I don't believe. Bonds' 715 went for 225K.

I think 50K is a very fair offer, especially considering everything else is chump change to the Yankees.

[sailor]

Someone said that Market value for that ball is 200K, which I don't believe. Bonds' 715 went for 225K.

I think 50K is a very fair offer, especially considering everything else is chump change to the Yankees.

i just think the yankees have no obligation here, so the 10k was a nice gesture on their part. anything above that should come from a-rod or cooperstown or a private collector if it comes to that.

[Freitag]

i just think the yankees have no obligation here, so the 10k was a nice gesture on their part. anything above that should come from a-rod or cooperstown or a private collector if it comes to that.

Everything in Cooperstown was "donated". They don't pay for anything.

[sailor]

Everything in Cooperstown was "donated". They don't pay for anything.

not directly, but i know people have bought things at auction and then donated them. i was talking aboot this type of 3rd party scenario.

[Freitag]

http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/764678.php?contentType=4&contentId=759213

Homeboy lives in Trenton. Give him the money.

[TheGameHHH]

It's the moment we've all been waiting for. The man who replaces Myers is......... Jim Brower? (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spybox0608,0,2521691.story)

Why are they waiting on Joba? I dont get this move..........I mean, i understand Myers being DFA'd but not for Brower.

[Freitag]

Why are they waiting on Joba? I dont get this move..........I mean, i understand Myers being DFA'd but not for Brower.

He may not have his passport yet.

[Kevin]

He may not have his passport yet.

He is of American Indian decent.. I tend to think he has a passport..

[Kevin]

By the way.. Thanks Philly..

New York also had a selection in the sandwich round, taking Joba Chamberlain, a right-handed pitcher from the University of Nebraska, with the 41st overall pick. New York had received the pick as compensation for losing Tom Gordon to the Phillies.

[Freitag]

He is of American Indian decent.. I tend to think he has a passport..

What does this even mean? If you're ona reservation, you're an American Citizen.

Abraham reported that he was in NYC a week or so ago filling the paperwork for a passport. He thought it was to get to Toronto. If Chamberlain isn't called up for the Toronto series, then he probably doesn't have it yet.

[Kevin]

What does this even mean? If you're ona reservation, you're an American Citizen.

Abraham reported that he was in NYC a week or so ago filling the paperwork for a passport. He thought it was to get to Toronto. If Chamberlain isn't called up for the Toronto series, then he probably doesn't have it yet.

Thats what i mean.. Don't you have a passport if your an American Cit?? Maybe not..

[weekapaugjz]

What does this even mean? If you're ona reservation, you're an American Citizen.

Abraham reported that he was in NYC a week or so ago filling the paperwork for a passport. He thought it was to get to Toronto. If Chamberlain isn't called up for the Toronto series, then he probably doesn't have it yet.

you don't need a passport to get into canada until Jan. 1, 2008.

Thats what i mean.. Don't you have a passport if your an American Cit?? Maybe not..

no, U.S. citizens have to apply for a passport, you don't get one automatically.

[Kevin]

you don't need a passport to get into canada until Jan. 1, 2008.



no, U.S. citizens have to apply for a passport, you don't get one automatically.

Thats right.. I remember my parents doing it for me way back. When i was a kid..

[Freitag]

you don't need a passport to get into canada until Jan. 1, 2008.




That rule is if you're traveling on the ground. If you travel by air to Canada, passport restrictions went into effect last year.

[weekapaugjz]

That rule is if you're traveling on the ground. If you travel by air to Canada, passport restrictions went into effect last year.

gotcha. i didn't know that. being that the canadian border is less than five minutes from my house, i never had to fly over.

[Freitag]

Wow, the Yankee bats have just DIED.

[Doctor Z]

That was quite the clutch hit from Matsui... Now we NEED to get A-Rod in from 3rd with no one out.

[Doctor Z]

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DON'T YA KNOW?!

[tupper65]

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DON'T YA KNOW?!

IT'S ROBBIE CANO!

[TheGameHHH]

Love Me Some Cano, Ya Dig???

[tupper65]

Love Me Some Cano, Ya Dig???

With a glass of warm Melk (no homo)

[Doctor Z]

Pettitte's always been a very respectful, old school-type player, and even he is outwardly expressing disgust with Torre's quick hook. What the fuck... it's the 6th inning, Pettitte may not be rolling through the order, but he's worked out of a few jams. Let him finish the fucking inning. Instead, we're going to some new guy that no one's ever seen to protect a 2-run lead with 2 on. Whether this works out or not, this is another piss-poor decision on Torre's part.

[tupper65]

Whew!
I would have bet that this was gonna blow up in his face!

[tupper65]

Pettitte's always been a very respectful, old school-type player, and even he is outwardly expressing disgust with Torre's quick hook. What the fuck... it's the 6th inning, Pettitte may not be rolling through the order, but he's worked out of a few jams. Let him finish the fucking inning. Instead, we're going to some new guy that no one's ever seen to protect a 2-run lead with 2 on. Whether this works out or not, this is another piss-poor decision on Torre's part.

I'm following this game on the net at work. Did Andy show that he was tiring? Pitch counts can be a double edged sword. Aside from Mussina, who hits a brick wall at 100, no Yankee pitcher should be removed or left in just because of the count.

[Freitag]

Yahoo PBP is dreadfully slow. What happened?

[Doctor Z]

http://homepage.mac.com/whosechairisthat/.Pictures/vizrip.jpg

[tupper65]

Isn't it a thing of beauty when Mo is on his game

[Doctor Z]

I love Mo.
The only guy who doesn't give me heartburn with a 1-run lead.

Melky has the quote of the day: "You know, the energy we bring and the thing."

[Dudeman]

New York Yankees 62 50 --
Detroit Tigers 61 49 --
Seattle Mariners 60 49 0.5
Minnesota Twins 57 53 4.0

[BeltOfScotch]

Is it too soon for me to take back my comments about Melky not being an everyday player?

I'm still concerned about where the scary power comes from if ARod leaves, but Melky is showing he can play every day.

[TheGameHHH]

Is it too soon for me to take back my comments about Melky not being an everyday player?

I'm still concerned about where the scary power comes from if ARod leaves, but Melky is showing he can play every day.

yes, it is too soon. you have to deal with your misjudgment for at least another 6 months until i say you are off the hook.

im starting to get that October tingle, LET'S GO YANKS!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

To make room for Joba, it's either going to be Cairo or Bruney.

Sweeney Murti said today it will be Cairo. With Betemit they really don't need him anymore.

[Bulldogcakes]

Texas is not trying to win. The Dodgers look good, but they are in a crap division. When was the last time Atlanta spent big money on a FA signing? They stay local.

The Angels will have their money possibly tied up with A-Rod.

Keep dreaming. Look up their revenues on Baseball Prospectus. They can't afford A-Rod. They have a 10 million dollar TV deal. By contrast, the YES network brought in 340 million last year and the Yanks own 1/3 of the YES network. Figure after expenses they cleared about 100 mil. Its worth double what the entire franchise is, about 3 billion. Moreno has also said numerous times that you can't spend 25% of your payroll on one player and expect to be competitive. There are only a few teams that could "afford" A-Rod. The Yanks, Cubs and maybe the Red Sox. Though Theo is opposed to spending more than 15% on any one player, and as usual has all sorts of Bill James stats to back it up. But if some team wants to pull a Hicks and break the bank for Alex, then he will figuratively be going 'back to Texas' wherever that place is. To a team that has him and cant afford anyone else.

[Bulldogcakes]

$50,000 dollars for a down payment on a house.

Where is this house? The Poconos?

Seriously, though why doesn't A-Rod just pony up for the ball? Is this that thing again like what happened when Mientky kept the last out of the 2004 WS and the Bosox said it was technically their property?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Where is this house? The Poconos?

Seriously, though why doesn't A-Rod just pony up for the ball? Is this that thing again like what happened when Mientky kept the last out of the 2004 WS and the Bosox said it was technically their property?

50K is 10% on an atypical house in Central Jersey.

[HBox]

According to this Joba has been called up. (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10101017)

[Doctor Z]

6.0

[TheGameHHH]

According to this Joba has been called up. (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10101017)

i love the way he wears his hat. he just looks like a stud pitcher.......hopefully he's legit at the major league level, he could be a HUGE help down the stretch.

[Marc with a c]

According to this Joba has been called up. (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10101017)

"hey evevrybody, it's the jobbba"

[Justice4all]

TORONTO -- The writing was on the wall for Mike Myers following his most recent outing against the Royals.
The Yankees reliever was brought in during the seventh inning of Sunday's game to face left-handed-hitting Mark Teahen with runners in scoring position. Myers promptly surrendered a single, which allowed two inherited runners to score, and made an otherwise lopsided game much tighter.
On Monday, New York designated Myers for assignment, and now have 10 days to either trade, release or reassign the left-handed reliever to the Minor Leagues.




Ok does anyone else have a slight problem with this? We are short on leftys to begin with. And even though Myers may have done not THAT great in the last outing or two overall he was way more reliable then say....Kyle Farnsworth. When Myers was brought in I know he usually only faced a batter or two in most situations but when he took the mound I did not groan and go "well we can count on a hit here from (fill in the blank for the opposing team)"

And Brower is untested as far as I know. We already have bullpen problems and they try to get rid of the ones who work more often then bust.


What are they thinking.

At least they got it right with Proctor.

[Freitag]

"hey evevrybody, it's the jobbba"

Nice call back, you get a slow clap for that one.

[Freitag]

TORONTO -- The writing was on the wall for Mike Myers following his most recent outing against the Royals.
The Yankees reliever was brought in during the seventh inning of Sunday's game to face left-handed-hitting Mark Teahen with runners in scoring position. Myers promptly surrendered a single, which allowed two inherited runners to score, and made an otherwise lopsided game much tighter.
On Monday, New York designated Myers for assignment, and now have 10 days to either trade, release or reassign the left-handed reliever to the Minor Leagues.




Ok does anyone else have a slight problem with this? We are short on leftys to begin with. And even though Myers may have done not THAT great in the last outing or two overall he was way more reliable then say....Kyle Farnsworth. When Myers was brought in I know he usually only faced a batter or two in most situations but when he took the mound I did not groan and go "well we can count on a hit here from (fill in the blank for the opposing team)"

And Brower is untested as far as I know. We already have bullpen problems and they try to get rid of the ones who work more often then bust.


What are they thinking.

At least they got it right with Proctor.


Farnsworth makes a ridiculous amount of money. Myers doesn't. It looks a lot worse when you DFA someone who makes the kind of money he does.

Remember, there was trade interest in Farnsworth; Yankees just had to pay the entire salary. Hence why he never got traded.

[BeltOfScotch]

Ok does anyone else have a slight problem with this? We are short on leftys to begin with. And even though Myers may have done not THAT great in the last outing or two overall he was way more reliable then say....Kyle Farnsworth. When Myers was brought in I know he usually only faced a batter or two in most situations but when he took the mound I did not groan and go "well we can count on a hit here from (fill in the blank for the opposing team)"

Mike Myers job was to come into pressure situations when other pitchers had put runners on base and get LEFT-handed batters out. Lefties are hitting over .300 against him this year. So no, I have no problem with it. In the big games coming up over the next couple of weeks, I would not have been comfortable at all with Myers coming into the game against a left handed batter with runners on base.

[TheGameHHH]

So, Giambi's back..........im not excited about this

[BeltOfScotch]

According to Kay during yesterday's broadcast, Torre told Giambi he should not expect to play much at first because things are clicking right now. Anybody know what the roster change was to make room for Giambi? I would guess it's gotta be Cairo or Duncan.

[Doctor Z]

I'm fucking sick of money and contracts overriding the importance of WINNING. To hold on to Kyle Farnsworth SOLELY for money purposes, despite him being a blatant detriment to this team, is sickening. Winning is PRIORITY #1. Not pandering to someone's SHITTY CONTRACT. And again, if Giambi sees a bunch of playing time now, but this team starts losing again, it's simply gonna be in the interest of letting the big contract guy play, and NOT in the interest of the team winning games. This shit has to stop.

[HBox]

Joba and Giambi are up, Cairo was DFA'd and Bruney was sent to Scranton.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Joba and Giambi are up, Cairo was DFA'd and Bruney was sent to Scranton.

If nobody picks up Cairo, he'd be fucking NUTS not to take a job down in Scranton for a month until rosters expand.

[Doctor Z]

I hope no one picks him up. I still like having Cairo on the bench, he's a solid utility guy who's always ready to play.

[HBox]

I'm watching this profile on Chamberlain on the Yankee pre game show. His dad had POLIO. WTF? Didn't we eradicate that?

EDIT: One very good sign though. They showed video of him pitching in college and in the minors. He looked fat in college but is much more slimmed down in his Scranton footage.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm watching this profile on Chamberlain on the Yankee pre game show. His dad had POLIO. WTF? Didn't we eradicate that?

EDIT: One very good sign though. They showed video of him pitching in college and in the minors. He looked fat in college but is much more slimmed down in his Scranton footage.


The weight and a tricep injury was the only reason why the Yanks got him with the 41st pick. Since he already had some college, he was seen as being closer to the bigs than some 18 year old. I think 11 or 12 pitchers were picked before him, none of whom are in the majors yet.
Here's his profile. Good stuff. (http://firetorre.blogspot.com/2006/11/prospect-profile-joba-chamberlain-3.html)

Notice the date, from last year.

Here's the only thing that would worry me
Command: Chamberlain has plus control, but not plus command. Of course, he has the advantage of throwing 97. He'll pound the zone for strikes, but won't be able to hit a one inch box like Kennedy or Clippard, but he won't walk the ballpark either. Unlike those two, Chamberlain can afford to lay the occasional fastball over the middle of the plate. He illustrated his control in the HBL this winter, striking out 46 while somehow walking 3.

The occasional ball down the middle can hurt you a lot more in the bigs. But the "life" on his pitches can help him get away with it. I suspect he'll give up his share of HR's, but with his stuff there will likely be no one on base. He should be fine. I like his attitude, too.

[Doctor Z]

Okay seriously, Michael Kay needs to stop calling him "Jobber" Chamberlain.

[Bulldogcakes]

How about instead of Jobba the Hut we call him
JOBA THE HOUSE! MONKEY HOUUUUUUSE!!!

Get it? Hut/House? Because like a house is bigger than a hut . . . . . . . oh never mind.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm watching this profile on Chamberlain on the Yankee pre game show. His dad had POLIO. WTF? Didn't we eradicate that?

EDIT: One very good sign though. They showed video of him pitching in college and in the minors. He looked fat in college but is much more slimmed down in his Scranton footage.


A guy I worked with in his mid-50's had polio.

[TheGameHHH]

Fight

[TheGameHHH]

Bowa is going insane, this is cool

[Bulldogcakes]

I hope he steals second spikes up. 2-1 this is bullshit.

[TheGameHHH]

I hope he steals second spikes up. 2-1 this is bullshit.

agreed, and this is now far from over

[Doctor Z]

Alright, Stairs is a 68 year-old man, can he grow the fuck up and go sit down on the bench?

[Tenbatsuzen]

"Are you talkin' to me? Are you talking to ME?"

[Bulldogcakes]

What a surprise Lieter take the pitcher's side. What a douche

[Tenbatsuzen]

I love that shot of Mariano they just showed. He reminded me of the cool Asian guy who just stood there and did nothing and Homer whined that they had to leave before he saw what he did.

[Doctor Z]

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HIP-HIP! HOW DO YA LIKE THEM APPLES!?

[Bulldogcakes]

Hip Hip!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Way to fucking make him pay Jorge!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Alright, Stairs is a 68 year-old man, can he grow the fuck up and go sit down on the bench?

hey, don zimmer ring a bell?

[Doctor Z]

Hey, that was DIFFERENT and you KNOW IT!

[HBox]

Hey, that was DIFFERENT and you KNOW IT!

Yeah Zimmer fell and cried afterwards.

[Doctor Z]

PS - If it gets late into the game, and the Yankees have enough of a lead, Clemens WILL hit someone.

[sailor]

yeah, leave zim alone.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Zimmer can has a helmet?

[Doctor Z]

Yeah Zimmer fell and cried afterwards.

Whose side are you on anyway?

[Tenbatsuzen]

That was just Manny being Manny.

[TheGameHHH]

Whose side are you on anyway?

hahaha, hes on the side of reality.......we all love Zim, but we certainly can't bitch about what Stairs was doing.

[TheGameHHH]

seriously, i wanna fucking kick Leiter's ass right now

[Tenbatsuzen]

seriously, i wanna fucking kick Leiter's ass right now

He's a republican politician. He's just practicing.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Balls of Fury is opening Labor Day weekend? That's... not good.

[HBox]

I hope Clemens doesn't retaliate later. Usually I would hope he would but I don't want to risk injury or suspension right now.

[Bulldogcakes]

Now it wasn't intentional. Somebody please make Leiter shut the fuck up.



Don't make me listen to Sterling, Al.





Please, dont make me.





Pretty please.

[HBox]

I like having Shelley Duncan around as a goon if for nothing else.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I like my Milk 110%!

[Doctor Z]

Yo, how fucking good is Melky right now?

[HBox]

http://www.baseballhalloffame.ca/images/mattstairsjays.jpg
"THIS IS BULLSHIT! I'M GONNA FUCK SOMEBODY UP! I'M GONNA FUCK SOMEBODY UP! I'M GONNA FUCK SOMEBODY UP! I'M GONNA FUCK SOMEBODY UP! I'M GONNA FUCK SOMEBODY UP! I'M GONNA FUCK SOMEBODY UP!

http://clippersbaseball.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/PlayerManager/2082.jpeg.300.jpeg

"Hey, what do you think you're going there bud?"

http://www.baseballhalloffame.ca/images/mattstairsjays.jpg

"I'm going back to my dugout."

[Bulldogcakes]

Melky is on fucking fire lately.

I think they said he's hitting over .400 since July or something.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Now it wasn't intentional. Somebody please make Leiter shut the fuck up.



Don't make me listen to Sterling, Al.





Please, dont make me.





Pretty please.

Just as I'm reading this post, YES has technical difficulties. Awesome.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I like having Shelley Duncan around as a goon if for nothing else.

So if the Yankees are the Kliq, that would make HBK = Jeter, HHH = A-Rod, Duncan = Diesel and... Farnsworth as 1-2-3?

[HBox]

So if the Yankees are the Kliq, that would make HBK = Jeter, HHH = A-Rod, Duncan = Diesel and... Farnsworth as 1-2-3?

http://reid.mlblogs.com/scoreboard_26_6/images/lg_fight_ap.jpg

If we got more of this Farnsworth he can stay in the bullpen as long as he likes.

[TheGameHHH]

http://reid.mlblogs.com/scoreboard_26_6/images/lg_fight_ap.jpg

If we got more of this Farnsworth he can stay in the bullpen as long as he likes.

theres no question in my mind farnsworth can fight......he just cant locate pitches

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jeter as HBK = Very skilled, good pops, the women love him, and his detractors call him gay.

A-Rod as HHH = Fans are luke warm to him but he's very skilled. Hot wife, freaky sex life.

Duncan as Diesel = Not very skilled, but when he hits his finishing move, it blows the roof off.

Farnsworth as 1-2-3 = Not very skilled, everyone hates him and whenever he comes in, the energy is sucked out of the building.

[Doctor Z]

Farnsworth as 1-2-3 = Not very skilled, everyone hates him and whenever he comes in, the energy is sucked out of the building.

And they both have a beard.

[Doctor Z]

Was that play Jeteresque or Jeterian?




...and why oh why, does Jorge suddenly think he can run? Seriously, stop. That's two wasted singles. He's got 3 hits tonight, but basically thrown himself out on 2 of them.

[Bulldogcakes]

What the fuck is Posada thinking?

He runs like his fucking shoes are tied together.

[Bulldogcakes]

Was that play Jeteresque or Jeterian?




...and why oh why, does Jorge suddenly think he can run? Seriously, stop. That's two wasted singles. He's 3 for 3 tonight.

He gets credit for the single(s), but thats just book keeping.

[Kevin]

And they both have a beard.

They both Date Dawn Cumia.. Anthony's sister?

[Kevin]

Hey JORGE.. STOP TRYING TO STRETCH IT!

[Tenbatsuzen]

They both Date Dawn Cumia.. Anthony's sister?

No personal attacks on Fat_Opie! Mikey will get upset.

[Doctor Z]

Finally, the Yankees have found someone to retire #17.

[Bulldogcakes]

WOAH! THAT WAS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Knocked his glove clean off!!!!!

Nice country hardball, Dunk.

[Kevin]

WOAH! THAT WAS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Knocked his glove clean off!!!!!

Nice country hardball, Dunk.

Gotta love the home grown youth on the team. Since Giambi has been in the minors and just was called up.. Does that make him home grown??

[Bulldogcakes]

Countdown to Clemens hitting a Blue Jay. . . . . .


I'll guess when he reaches 90-100 pitches, someone goes down.

[Kevin]

Countdown to Clemens hitting a Blue Jay. . . . . .


I'll guess when he reaches 90-100 pitches, someone goes down.

This may be the only time.. I want to see Farnsworth in.. Ever.. He will hit the blue jay then super kick his ass if he charges the mound,

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why the fuck is Torre warming Brower instead of Joba? This is a PERFECT situation for Joba.

[Kevin]

Why the fuck is Torre warming Brower instead of Joba? This is a PERFECT situation for Joba.

And there is your answer right there..

[Doctor Z]

Well, it was only a matter of time...

[Bulldogcakes]

Clemens is pitching a 2-hitter




make that a 3 hitter.


Nice job, Roger.

[Sarge]

Who didnt see that coming.

[Kevin]

Gotta Love Clemens..

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know what I get an image now when I think of Steinbrenner? The fighter on the porch in "Diggstown".

[HBox]

Edwar Ramirez isn't used for two weeks and Torre uses Jim Brower in pressure situations in his first two consecutive games?

[Doctor Z]

I'm liking this Brower guy. He's good... REAL good.

[HBox]

I'm liking this Brower guy. He's good... REAL good.

He's really fit in right away. I can't even tell the difference between him and the guy he replaced.

[Kevin]

Melky is the man..

[Doctor Z]

Melky... Player Of The Game?

[Kevin]

Melky... Player Of The Game?

Clemens..

[TheGameHHH]

Edwar Ramirez isn't used for two weeks and Torre uses Jim Brower in pressure situations in his first two consecutive games?

Ramirez is in the minors, and comming in with one man on and a 7 run lead is hardly a pressure situation

[Doctor Z]

.
IS GOOD.

[HBox]

Ramirez is in the minors, and comming in with one man on and a 7 run lead is hardly a pressure situation

When Ramirez was with the team he went two weeks between appearances. And yesterday was a pressure situation and tonight he turned it into one.

[TheGameHHH]

When Ramirez was with the team he went two weeks between appearances. And yesterday was a pressure situation and tonight he turned it into one.

yea i know, i thought by your comment you meant he was still in the bullpen..........you still cant argue anything thats happened with the relievers tonight, Joba is still getting his work and Brower wasnt brought in in a pressure situation. it was a fine time to use him.

now comes the arrival of Saviour #2

[Bulldogcakes]

Here comes. . . . . . .

JOBA THE HOUSE!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Was that his curve or slider?


Whatever it was it was nasty

[Doctor Z]

Wow, in that interview, Chamberlain looked like Ray Liotta at the end of Hannibal.

[TheGameHHH]

he walked a batter, this kid sucks......send him back to the minors

[TheGameHHH]

impressive, excellent slider. he's got the stuff, now he's gotta work

[Bulldogcakes]

Nice Job, Joba.

[Kevin]

Man.. How great is this.. You have Melky Robby.. Wang and now you have these 2 21 year old studs that you can watch.. I used to watch these teams bring up this highly touted young guys and i used to say.. Man i wish my team could do this.. Its so cool. Joba has great stuff.

[Doctor Z]

The Yankees buy all their good players.

[TheGameHHH]

another series, great job by the Yanks!!!

[HBox]

Man.. How great is this.. You have Melky Robby.. Wang and now you have these 2 21 year old studs that you can watch.. I used to watch these teams bring up this highly touted young guys and i used to say.. Man i wish my team could do this.. Its so cool. Joba has great stuff.

Are you talking about baseball or gay porn?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are you talking about baseball or gay porn?

Well, there's a modquote.

[Kevin]

The Yankees buy all their good players.

To be fair.. Thats still mostly true with these young guys too.. They can afford to sign these after they draft them.. No way they fall that far, if their price tags werent so high.. No way Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, falls to them if it were like the NFL, where each team could spend.. Even the kid they just drafted this year, was a top 5 tallent.. But he fell to us because he was asking for ton.. This kid will be good too.. The only teams that can do is, is the Yanks, Boston, Detriot, and maybe Mets Dodgers.. Thats it.. And look at how fast both Us and Bos built our farms from laughing stocks to top 5.. Money..

[Kevin]

Are you talking about baseball or gay porn?

ga... baseball..

[Tenbatsuzen]

ga... baseball..

TOO LATE!

[Doctor Z]

5.0

[Bulldogcakes]

To be fair.. Thats still mostly true with these young guys too.. They can afford to sign these after they draft them.. No way they fall that far, if their price tags werent so high.. No way Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, falls to them if it were like the NFL, where each team could spend.. Even the kid they just drafted this year, was a top 5 tallent.. But he fell to us because he was asking for ton.. This kid will be good too.. The only teams that can do is, is the Yanks, Boston, Detriot, and maybe Mets Dodgers.. Thats it.. And look at how fast both Us and Bos built our farms from laughing stocks to top 5.. Money..


That's true in the international market, the Yanks can outbid other teams for players there. But your usually talking about 17 and 18 year olds from Latin America who are a long way off, if ever.

But the US talent pool is controlled by the draft, and the better your record the lower you pick. Plus if you lose a free agent you get a compensation pick, so small market teams get the pick of the crop. Give Cashman credit, they picked guys with high ceilings who have panned out. But in order to get to the Yanks low position in the draft they had to have some question marks, and in the cases of Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain they have worked out so far. Its not just money with the domestic players, you need to be smart and have some good luck as well.

[Bulldogcakes]

5.0

That is always my number for calling it a race. We now have a race in the division IMO.

Good, if they chase the division leader they will almost certainly have the WC in their pocket if they stay close.

[Kevin]

That's true in the international market, the Yanks can outbid other teams for players there. But your usually talking about 17 and 18 year olds from Latin America who are a long way off, if ever.

But the US talent pool is controlled by the draft, and the better your record the lower you pick. Plus if you lose a free agent you get a compensation pick, so small market teams get the pick of the crop. Give Cashman credit, they picked guys with high ceilings who have panned out. But in order to get to the Yanks low position in the draft they had to have some question marks, and in the cases of Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain they have worked out so far. Its not just money with the domestic players, you need to be smart and have some good luck as well.

Its not the case anymore.. The draft can be controlled by the big money teams.. The top guys that come out want HUGE bonuses.. And these teams can't or chose not to pay.. I am not saying its the Yanks or Sox or whom evers fault..Its in the rules and they take advantage. I am just saying that the draft has become just about the money as FA and trades are.. The way to fix that is have NFL like slot pay scale for picks.. #1 gets this much.. #30 gets that much.. Thats not the case in mlb.. And until that happens the big money teams will have the money to sign FA, and stock their farms.. Its never going to happen in mlb anytime soon.. But thats what should.. You can't even build through the farm if your the Royals anymore, because you can't draft these top guys.. Like a few years back.. When Prior went 2 to the Cubs.. Minnesota could not afford what he was asking.. So they picked Maur.. Granted they got lucky, but thats not the point.. If Baker didn't kill Priors career, he would have been the best player in that draft by far.

[Kevin]

Another case like 2 or 3 years ago.. Justin Miller.. By far the top rated guy in the draft.. He went like 7 or 8th to DET.. If DET was not there, and didnt have the money to pay him.. He would have fallen all the way to 21 where we were picking.. Don''t you see anything wrong with that??

[Freitag]

The guy who caught A-Rod's ball is turning into a real jerk. He apparently lost his job for falling asleep on the job, and is basically holding the ball hostage.

[BoondockSaint]

Another case like 2 or 3 years ago.. Justin Miller.. By far the top rated guy in the draft.. He went like 7 or 8th to DET.. If DET was not there, and didnt have the money to pay him.. He would have fallen all the way to 21 where we were picking.. Don''t you see anything wrong with that??

That's how the Mets got Pelfrey.

[BeltOfScotch]

The way to fix that is have NFL like slot pay scale for picks.

Forget the NFL, there it's really just a generally agreed upon system where the player picked 10th will get a deal slotted between the 9th and 11th players with a percentage raise above what the 10th pick made last year. I'd like to see them go the NBA route, where first round draft picks have a set contract, that way there's no negotiation at all.

[Kevin]

Forget the NFL, there it's really just a generally agreed upon system where the player picked 10th will get a deal slotted between the 9th and 11th players with a percentage raise above what the 10th pick made last year. I'd like to see them go the NBA route, where first round draft picks have a set contract, that way there's no negotiation at all.

Yea.. Like Oden and Durant only could get 3 years and something like 4mil a year or something..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't you know!

[Doctor Z]

.
DON'T YA KNOW?





*edit: i hate you.

[Doctor Z]

This is as bad as I've seen Wang. He just doesn't have it today.


And unfortunately, Halliday is dealing.

[Doctor Z]

Wow... In 3 years, I don't think I've seen Wang get pulled this early in a ballgame. Those last 2 runs are on Jeter. I don't understand why he didn't go to 2nd on that throw, it was a perfect double play ball.

[Dudeman]

This is as bad as I've seen Wang. He just doesn't have it today.


And unfortunately, Halliday is dealing.

any coinicidence?
http://2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/jason%20giambi.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

Those last 2 runs are on Jeter. I don't understand why he didn't go to 2nd on that throw, it was a perfect double play ball.


Yeah, he really left the Wang hangin' out there.

[Doctor Z]

That call was a fat bag of cancer shit. Not even fucking close.

[Bulldogcakes]

Red Sox Talk Extension With Lowell (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

Yesterday, third baseman Mike Lowell confirmed that his agent has had "casual conversations" with the Red Sox about a contract extension. Lowell, 33, is hitting a solid .304/.355/.489 on the season.

I'm posting this here because if they extend Lowell, that takes the Sox out of the A-Rod sweepstakes. Which I don't think they would ever have been truly serious about anyway, but they are one of a very few teams that could actually afford him.

Either way he makes a lot of sense for them. He's not crazy expensive, still should have a few good years left and he's a pure Fenway Park hitter. Both he and the Sox would benefit striking a deal.

[Bulldogcakes]

Another case like 2 or 3 years ago.. Justin Miller.. By far the top rated guy in the draft.. He went like 7 or 8th to DET.. If DET was not there, and didnt have the money to pay him.. He would have fallen all the way to 21 where we were picking.. Don''t you see anything wrong with that??

You are right about that, you do hear stories like that. Some kids have even have hired Boras as an agent. There are teams that will pass on a guy if they know he'll be too expensive to sign. I don't know how common it is, though.

I'm not sure if its right, I'm also not sure what if anything could (or even should) be done about it. As it is many are already choosing other sports. We've all heard about the "decline of the Black athlete in Baseball". Most of that is driven by economics, namely that talented kids can make more money faster in other sports. Clamping down on it would make things worse, and even more great prospects would end up in Basketball or Football.

[HBox]

any coinicidence?
http://2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/jason%20giambi.jpg

Just stop it.

[zildjian361]

even a train comes to a stop:smoke:

[Kevin]

Eh.. Cant win em all.

[Bulldogcakes]

Just stop it.

He's like Kryptonite to Yankee winning streaks.

[A.J.]

Red Sox Talk Extension With Lowell (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)



I'm posting this here because if they extend Lowell, that takes the Sox out of the A-Rod sweepstakes. Which I don't think they would ever have been truly serious about anyway, but they are one of a very few teams that could actually afford him.

Either way he makes a lot of sense for them. He's not crazy expensive, still should have a few good years left and he's a pure Fenway Park hitter. Both he and the Sox would benefit striking a deal.

If the Sox DID go after A-Rod, he'd move back to short where he belongs.

[Kevin]

If the Sox DID go after A-Rod, he'd move back to short where he belongs.

I REALLY doubt that the Sox are willing to spend 39-44 mil on 2 SS.. Lugo 9 Arod 30-35..

[TheGameHHH]

Rocket got suspended 5 games and Torre 1 game by MLB.

[cougarjake13]

I REALLY doubt that the Sox are willing to spend 39-44 mil on 2 SS.. Lugo 9 Arod 30-35..

they'll trade lugo or move him to second

[Doctor Z]

Rocket got suspended 5 games and Torre 1 game by MLB.

Another embarrassment on the part of Major League Baseball.

[lleeder]

5 games is fucking lame. He can do a cycle and get less than that.

[Kevin]

they'll trade lugo or move him to second

They like Pedrioa way too much..

[Bulldogcakes]

They like Pedrioa way too much..

I don't think the Bosox OR the Yanks will spend 30+mil for any one player. The Yanks really cant, they're already WAY over the salary tax threshold. So that 30 is actually 42 per for the Yanks. Plus they have to sign Mo and Po. If anyone will give it to him, its the Cubbies. But they have to get a new owner first, and that could take until next JANUARY from the last thing I read.

Maybe A-Rod will realize the market for a big pay boost just isn't there and shock the world and NOT opt out. After todays Wall Street performance, who knows what the economy will be like by October.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't think the Bosox OR the Yanks will spend 30+mil for any one player. The Yanks really cant, they're already WAY over the salary tax threshold. So that 30 is actually 42 per for the Yanks. Plus they have to sign Mo and Po. If anyone will give it to him, its the Cubbies. But they have to get a new owner first, and that could take until next JANUARY from the last thing I read.

Maybe A-Rod will realize the market for a big pay boost just isn't there and shock the world and NOT opt out. After todays Wall Street performance, who knows what the economy will be like by October.


"Mo and Po"? I am going to fucking stab you and play with your blood, then kick your dog.

[lleeder]

"Mo and Po"? I am going to fucking stab you and play with your blood, then kick your dog.

Yo what Fo?

[Bulldogcakes]

"Mo and Po"? I am going to fucking stab you and play with your blood, then kick your dog.


Hahahaahah!


Its going to catch on, you just wait!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hahahaahah!


Its going to catch on, you just wait!

Yeah, like AIDS.

[Kevin]

They wont move lugo to 2nd.. They like Pedroia too much.. and if they deal lugo, they would have to pay most of that asinine contract.. So it would be the same.. And If Aord opts out, he is gone.. If he does not and signs an ext then year, because Texas is till paying part for the rem 3 years.. If he opts, that goes out the window.. Arod is not stupid.. he knows this. And i don't think either us or Bos will sign him then, the Mets wont.. Angels can't afford.. All that leaves is Cubs.. And they will know this, and he wont even get the 25 he is making now..


And By the way.. Mo and Po... Please kill yourself...

[Doctor Z]

Fuckin' Seattle, why can't they just stop already with this sillyness.

[Bulldogcakes]

And By the way.. Mo and Po... Please kill yourself...

http://www.e.kth.se/org/emission/1997/1/blues-muddy.gif

"GOT MY MO-PO WORKIN'! GOT MY MO-PO WORKIN!"

[Dan 'Hampton]

They wont move lugo to 2nd.. They like Pedroia too much.. and if they deal lugo, they would have to pay most of that asinine contract.. So it would be the same.. And If Aord opts out, he is gone.. If he does not and signs an ext then year, because Texas is till paying part for the rem 3 years.. If he opts, that goes out the window.. Arod is not stupid.. he knows this. And i don't think either us or Bos will sign him then, the Mets wont.. Angels can't afford.. All that leaves is Cubs.. And they will know this, and he wont even get the 25 he is making now..


And By the way.. Mo and Po... Please kill yourself...

Alfonso Soriano, LF Chicago Cubs $136,000,000
Barry Zito, SP San Francisco $126,000,000
Carlos Lee, LF Houston $100,000,000
Aramis Ramirez, 3B Chicago Cubs $75,000,000
J.D. Drew, RF Boston $70,000,000
Gil Meche, SP 28 Kansas City $55,000,000
Daisuke Matsuzaka, SP Boston $52,000,000
Gary Matthews Jr., CF LA Angels $50,000,000
Jason Schmidt, SP LA Dodgers $47,000,000
Juan Pierre, CF LA Dodgers $44,000,000
Jeff Suppan, SPMilwaukee $42,000,000
Ted Lilly, SP Chicago Cubs $40,000,000
Julio Lugo, SS Boston 4 $36,000,000
Vicente Padilla, Texas 3 $33,750,000
These guys all got more than 30 Mil last off season and you don't think the best player in baseball will blow these numbers out of the water.

[BoondockSaint]

nevermind.

[Kevin]

Alfonso Soriano, LF Chicago Cubs $136,000,000
Barry Zito, SP San Francisco $126,000,000
Carlos Lee, LF Houston $100,000,000
Aramis Ramirez, 3B Chicago Cubs $75,000,000
J.D. Drew, RF Boston $70,000,000
Gil Meche, SP 28 Kansas City $55,000,000
Daisuke Matsuzaka, SP Boston $52,000,000
Gary Matthews Jr., CF LA Angels $50,000,000
Jason Schmidt, SP LA Dodgers $47,000,000
Juan Pierre, CF LA Dodgers $44,000,000
Jeff Suppan, SPMilwaukee $42,000,000
Ted Lilly, SP Chicago Cubs $40,000,000
Julio Lugo, SS Boston 4 $36,000,000
Vicente Padilla, Texas 3 $33,750,000
These guys all got more than 30 Mil last off season and you don't think the best player in baseball will blow these numbers out of the water.

I meant per, you silly goose!

And Steve.. I have not changed my mind.. In fact, that last post re enforced my feelings..

[Dan 'Hampton]

I meant per, you silly goose!

And Steve.. I have not changed my mind.. In fact, that last post re enforced my feelings..

He'll get more. To a club that isn't in the NE he will mean tv time cause lets face it WE DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY TEAM MORE THAN 250 MILES away from our respective teams.

[Doctor Z]

Abreu looked like an ASS there.

[HBox]

The Padres claimed Igawa off waivers. The Yanks have to decide to either pull him back, let him go or work out a trade.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Padres claimed Igawa off waivers. The Yanks have to decide to either pull him back, let him go or work out a trade.

TAKE A BAG OF MAGIC BEANS AND GET THAT SALARY OFF THE BOOKS.

That being said...

With the advent of Guy Guyerson, has anyone else been noticing the annoying sound effects that YES has attached to their graphics package? I noticed it before, but ever since the Sports Editorials, it's totally made me rely on the radio to listen to the games.

[Bulldogcakes]

The Padres claimed Igawa off waivers. The Yanks have to decide to either pull him back, let him go or work out a trade.

Now look what you did. I got splooge all over my computer screen.

They might pull him back, they'd lose the 26 mil posting fee and the Padres would get him for the relative bargain of 4 mil per year for the next 4 years plus this one. So the Yanks might want a low level prospect in return which they might get back the investment on. Often teams do this just to gauge interest in a player.

[Bulldogcakes]

Bravo, Mr Hughes. Nicely done. I'm especially interested in seeing how Joba does 2nd time out. Thought he looked a little nervous and a little wild in his debut.

Hughes to Joba. The two of them combined are younger than Clemens.

[Doctor Z]

MY GOD... Did we just have someone out of the bullpen pitch a 1-2-3 inning? I like this guy.

[HBox]

Bravo, Mr Hughes. Nicely done. I'm especially interested in seeing how Joba does 2nd time out. Thought he looked a little nervous and a little wild in his debut.

Hughes to Joba. The two of them combined are younger than Clemens.

Clemens is six years older than Cleveland's coach.

Now that I think about it, he's older then Melky and Cano combined. EDIT: Actually not, but close.

[Doctor Z]

P.S. - Joba is the least Native-American-looking Native American in the history of Native Americans.

[HBox]

P.S. - Joba is the least Native-American-looking Native American in the history of Native Americans.

What are you talking about? He's a dead ringer for the Cleveland logo.

[Bulldogcakes]

JOBA THE HOUSE!!!

MONKEY HOOUUUUSSE!!!



Anyone else notice how fucking ridiculous these hitters look on his slider? They miss it by a foot. And he gets more check swing strikes than anyone I've seen in a while, which tells you they cant pick up the slider.

[Kevin]

JOBA THE HOUSE!!!

MONKEY HOOUUUUSSE!!!



Anyone else notice how fucking ridiculous these hitters look on his slider? They miss it by a foot. And he gets more check swing strikes than anyone I've seen in a while, which tells you they cant pick up the slider.

I heard of a perfect comparison to Joba.. Its like what Krod did for the Angels in 02.. Came in and dominated for the rest of the year.. Man is this kid impressive.. He made Trots jaw drop.

[Bulldogcakes]

I heard of a perfect comparison to Joba.. Its like what Krod did for the Angels in 02.. Came in and dominated for the rest of the year.. Man is this kid impressive.. He made Trots jaw drop.

Two things O'Niell and Hughes said really stuck out in the post game. First, Joba's still refining his change up, if he can throw that effectively for strikes he will just be "unfair" in Paul's words. Thats the kind of repertoire that Johan Santana brings.
And Hughes said how important it was that he and Joba are up at the same time, that they work out together, push each other and help each other adjust to the new league. That is just terrific to hear.

Its still way too soon to say this, but I've thought for a while now that if both Hughes and Joba pan out, the Yanks will be the team to beat. Without them being good they would likely have another early exit if they make the playoffs.

[Bulldogcakes]

BTW-If you still believe the Yanks buy all their players, look at the 25 man roster.
12 are homegrown Yankees.

[HBox]

Tonight was awesome.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't look now, but with Seatle and Boston losing tonight, we are now tied for the wild card and 5 games out. Boom.

[Bulldogcakes]

Todays NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/11/sports/baseball/11pins.html?ref=baseball)

Torre said that Jeff Karstens was “a definite possibility” to start in Clemens’s place, depending on how much he pitches this weekend. The best starter lately for Scranton has been Ian Kennedy, who is not on the Yankees’ 40-man roster.

That would be nice to see, if for no other reason to get a look at him. His numbers at AAA are every bit as good as Chamberlain's, but he's a very different pitcher. They call him a mini-Moose, maybe Mussina can coach him a bit. This is also why the success of Hughes and Chamberlain is so important to the Yankee future. If they do well, then the Yankee organization (and fans) will be more comfortable bringing up youngsters in the future like every other team does. And with the way the pitchers who have come here from elsewhere have performed (Vasquez/Johnson/Brown/Weaver/Pavano/Wright) I'm very comfortable bringing along young guys. Especially pitchers, since you just can't find any good ones. You can always sign a position player each year, good pitchers are hard to get. Last good pitcher they signed as a free agent was Mussina, and that's 6-7 years ago.

I think there's something to be said for coming up in the Yankee system and knowing what will be expected when you get to the bigs. They don't have a set way of doing things which will get upset by coming here from another team, this will be all they know.

[Bulldogcakes]

Gagne shelled as BoSox bullpen implodes (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270810101)

I'm not sure I've ever had a better 24 hours than the last.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dear Joe Torre and Ron Guidry:

You have now used Joba Chamberlain for a total of four innings in the last three days. Do not use him again until Monday-Tuesday. Thank you!

[cougarjake13]

Dear Joe Torre and Ron Guidry:

You have now used Joba Chamberlain for a total of four innings in the last three days. Do not use him again until Monday-Tuesday. Thank you!

sorry he's the new scott proctor

[Kevin]

sorry he's the new scott proctor

The brass will put an end to that quick..

[cougarjake13]

The brass will put an end to that quick..

i would hope so

[HBox]

Joe Torre said these are the rules for using Joba: He does not pitch on back to back days and gets at least one day off for every inning he pitches. So according to these rules he will not pitch until Monday at the earliest.

[Kevin]

Joe Torre said these are the rules for using Joba: He does not pitch on back to back days and gets at least one day off for every inning he pitches. So according to these rules he will not pitch until Monday at the earliest.

He will be in 7th inn tonight.

[Kevin]

As you guys now well.... I have always said what a FANTASTIC job by Cashman Resigning Mussina..

[Bulldogcakes]

He will be in 7th inn tonight.

After all, MATTINGLY was the manager last night. So that doesn't count.

In all seriousness, I have no problem with the 2nd inning. He might like it, he was more effective striking out the side. Also, I think its less strain to pitch 2 innings with two days off than to pitch one inning every other day. More full rest.

[Bulldogcakes]

THE GIAMBINO!



The way this team is swinging the bats is downright scary. Averaging 8.5 runs a game for the month of August.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I now know who Shelley Duncan looks like: Matthew Lillard.

I'm working on who Joba looks like. It's someone, but I can't put my finger on it.

[HBox]

I think they should start playing Giambi at first. If he's awful defensively, fine. Take him out. If he gets hurt, fine, he'll be out. But he looks really healthy and he has no place right now. I think you have to give it a try. This team will not hit like this for the rest of the season and once they slow down Giambi will be needed. So you might as well give him a try at first while they're mashing. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But at least you tried. He's not in a position to give much when he starts once or twice a week and pinch hits in blow outs.

[Bulldogcakes]

I think they should start playing Giambi at first. If he's awful defensively, fine. Take him out. If he gets hurt, fine, he'll be out. But he looks really healthy and he has no place right now. I think you have to give it a try. This team will not hit like this for the rest of the season and once they slow down Giambi will be needed. So you might as well give him a try at first while they're mashing. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But at least you tried. He's not in a position to give much when he starts once or twice a week and pinch hits in blow outs.

Have to? They're averaging for 8.3 runs per game for August and averaged over 7 runs per game for July. They're leading the league in every important team hitting category (Runs, OBP, OPS) They've won 30 of the last 40 games. I wouldn't change a thing.

[sailor]

i agree they don't have to, but giambi could make them more formidable. it probably couldn't hurt to give him some opportunities.

[Bulldogcakes]

If Yankees pony up the money, A-Rod isn't going anywhere (http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/SPORTS01/708120342/1108)

Now Boras is casting some doubt on whether he'll opt out. That tells me that he's worried about the marketplace not being there as I suspect it won't be. Plus, with the Yanks offering the olive branch of an extension, that could make the most sense for all parties involved.

From A-Rod's point of view, its one thing to be an all time great in Texas, its quite another to be one in NY. One is on a long list of great players, the other gets sold as being a legend by the media capital of the country. He would end up with his number retired and a monument in the outfield. He has a chance to win every year. He's one of the biggest stars in the game, he needs a big stage to play on and NY is it. Also, he doesn't want to go to another smaller market team and wind up "in Texas" again, where they can pay him but then cant put players around him. The Yanks are one of a very few teams that can afford him and still do that.

From the Yanks point of view, with the 30 mil they are getting from Texas for the next 3 years and all the young players that either are already up or are coming up, they should have plenty of payroll flexibility to pay Alex an extra 10-15 per on an extension. The 30 from Texas is key, that gives them a chance to let contracts like Abreu (15), Giambi (22) and Moose (12) expire. Abreu gets replaced with Melky, Giambi with nobody and Moose with Chamberlain or Kennedy. Thats about 50 mil off the books and maybe 1.5-2 on for the kids. They could sign Tori Hunter and Teixera and as free agents and still afford A-Rod.

[Bulldogcakes]

With His Bat, Abreu Is Making a Case to Stay (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/sports/baseball/12pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

with the Yankees surging and Abreu helping lead the way, the idea does not seem so outrageous. Abreu said he would rather stay than become a free agent, and if he keeps hitting this way, he may get his wish.

“I want to stay here, of course,” Abreu said. “I like it here. I like New York. They’ve been treating me good. Let’s see what’s going to happen. I just have to keep playing my game and helping the team win.”

Abreu hit .353 in July with 29 runs batted in, the most he has ever had in a month. With two more on Saturday, Abreu has 78 R.B.I. this season, and has driven in 43 runs since July 1, the most in the majors in that stretch.

I still don't think they'll do it. I think they would be very comfortable making Melky the starting RF next year. Its 2 years straight now they've tried to sit Melky or make him the 4th OF. But once he started playing the team got going, and thats not a coincidence. He's one of the few players they have that does the little things to win games.

How about this? Abreu has a good year, the Yanks do a Sheffield and p/u his option and trade him somewhere. I doubt he'll fetch as much as Sheff since he's not a power hitter, but it would make sense to explore it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bully...

With Damon still having a few more years on the books, Melky establishing himself and Matsui being Matsui, the only possible way I can see the Yankees picking up Abreu's option is if they trade Damon.

And again, it bears repeating: Torii Hunter has massive interest in coming to the Yankees.

This is what I could see happening:

Melky goes to RF. Hunter is signed. Abreu is cut loose. Giambi at 1B. Damon is a DH and learns to play 1B.

[sailor]

Bully...

With Damon still having a few more years on the books, Melky establishing himself and Matsui being Matsui, the only possible way I can see the Yankees picking up Abreu's option is if they trade Damon.

And again, it bears repeating: Torii Hunter has massive interest in coming to the Yankees.

This is what I could see happening:

Melky goes to RF. Hunter is signed. Abreu is cut loose. Giambi at 1B. Damon is a DH and learns to play 1B.

damon has the arm for it.

[Bulldogcakes]

Bully...

With Damon still having a few more years on the books, Melky establishing himself and Matsui being Matsui, the only possible way I can see the Yankees picking up Abreu's option is if they trade Damon.

And again, it bears repeating: Torii Hunter has massive interest in coming to the Yankees.

This is what I could see happening:

Melky goes to RF. Hunter is signed. Abreu is cut loose. Giambi at 1B. Damon is a DH and learns to play 1B.

Maybe you misunderstood, but that's pretty much what I said. The only way I see them picking up Abreu's option is doing a sign and trade like they did with Sheff last year.

[sailor]

i agree they don't have to, but giambi could make them more formidable. it probably couldn't hurt to give him some opportunities.

yeah, couldn't hurt. nice homer from the giambino!

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Yankees won't do a sign and trade with Abreu, because I don't think Abreu will get as much on the free agent market as the option would cost.

[Kevin]

Shelly Duncan is awesome.. How can you not love they guy..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Shelly Duncan is awesome.. How can you not love they guy..

You forgot the no homo.

[Kevin]

You forgot the no homo.

Oh yea.. No Homo..

[cougarjake13]

Shelly Duncan is awesome.. How can you not love they guy..

You forgot the no homo.

forgive him

with a name like shelly he just thought... well ... you know

[Kevin]

Man do the WSOX suck ass. Do we play Seattle anymore?? It looks like none of these crappy teams are gunna help us out.. Its like Simmons said in his podcast.. Seattle has limited hitting and crappy Sp.. How do they win??

[cougarjake13]

Man do the WSOX suck ass. Do we play Seattle anymore?? It looks like none of these crappy teams are gunna help us out.. Its like Simmons said in his podcast.. Seattle has limited hitting and crappy Sp.. How do they win??

Day Date Opponent Time (ET)

Mon Sept 3 Mariners 1:05 PM
Tue Sept 4 Mariners 7:05 PM
Wed Sept 5 Mariners 7:05 PM


they are psyhched that hargrove left

[cougarjake13]

Man do the WSOX suck ass. Do we play Seattle anymore?? It looks like none of these crappy teams are gunna help us out.. Its like Simmons said in his podcast.. Seattle has limited hitting and crappy Sp.. How do they win??

how seattle does it (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7110738)

[Kevin]

And If Aord opts out, he is gone.. If he does not and signs an ext then year, because Texas is till paying part for the rem 3 years.. If he opts, that goes out the window.. Arod is not stupid.. he knows this. And i don't think either us or Bos will sign him then, the Mets wont.. Angels can't afford.. All that leaves is Cubs.. And they will know this, and he wont even get the 25 he is making now..


If Yankees pony up the money, A-Rod isn't going anywhere (http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/SPORTS01/708120342/1108)

Now Boras is casting some doubt on whether he'll opt out. That tells me that he's worried about the marketplace not being there as I suspect it won't be. Plus, with the Yanks offering the olive branch of an extension, that could make the most sense for all parties involved.

From A-Rod's point of view, its one thing to be an all time great in Texas, its quite another to be one in NY. One is on a long list of great players, the other gets sold as being a legend by the media capital of the country. He would end up with his number retired and a monument in the outfield. He has a chance to win every year. He's one of the biggest stars in the game, he needs a big stage to play on and NY is it. Also, he doesn't want to go to another smaller market team and wind up "in Texas" again, where they can pay him but then cant put players around him. The Yanks are one of a very few teams that can afford him and still do that.

From the Yanks point of view, with the 30 mil they are getting from Texas for the next 3 years and all the young players that either are already up or are coming up, they should have plenty of payroll flexibility to pay Alex an extra 10-15 per on an extension. The 30 from Texas is key, that gives them a chance to let contracts like Abreu (15), Giambi (22) and Moose (12) expire. Abreu gets replaced with Melky, Giambi with nobody and Moose with Chamberlain or Kennedy. Thats about 50 mil off the books and maybe 1.5-2 on for the kids. They could sign Tori Hunter and Teixera and as free agents and still afford A-Rod.


Hoo Hoo Stop ripping me Off Peter Abraham..

[Doctor Z]

You'd think handing Mariano a 5-2 lead would be a pretty safe bet...

[Doctor Z]

DAMN son... Now THAT'S some pitching out of trouble right there.

[HBox]

Have to? They're averaging for 8.3 runs per game for August and averaged over 7 runs per game for July. They're leading the league in every important team hitting category (Runs, OBP, OPS) They've won 30 of the last 40 games. I wouldn't change a thing.

Like I said they are not going to keep on scoring that many runs for the rest of the season. Everyone is hot right now. That won't last forever. Once everyone slows down Giambi will be needed. And Giambi is looking really good.

[Kevin]

Nice to see them finally complete a sweep for a change..

Kim Jones: What do you think of Joba..

Mo: I like him, he is the real deal...

What else is Mo going to say?? He stinks and i don't like him?? YES Bugs the hell out of me at times..

[HBox]

Nice to see them finally complete a sweep for a change..

Kim Jones: What do you think of Joba..

Mo: I like him, he is the real deal...

What else is Mo going to say?? He stinks and i don't like him?? YES Bugs the hell out of me at times..

Mo: He's pretty nice for a dirty Indian. Though I can't sleep at night because I'm afraid he'll sneak into my hotel room and scalp me.

[sailor]

Nice to see them finally complete a sweep for a change..

Kim Jones: What do you think of Joba..

Mo: I like him, he is the real deal...

What else is Mo going to say?? He stinks and i don't like him?? YES Bugs the hell out of me at times..

i think she was saying they have some sort of camaraderie/friendship with each other.

[Kevin]

Man i am so glad we didnt give up the Kids for Gange.. He just blew another lead!!!

[Kevin]

MILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


4 GAMES!!!

I love Eric Gange.. NO HOMO!