New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bye Wil. Enjoy Tampa Bay. It'll be OK.

[Doctor Z]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

mmm... I love sandwiches.

[lleeder]

Molina always seemed to have a big hit against the Yanks. He will be a nice addition.

[Kevin]

Molina always seemed to have a big hit against the Yanks. He will be a nice addition.

Too bad Idiot Cashman probably gave up Hughes and Chamberlain for him..

[lleeder]

Too bad Idiot Cashman probably gave up Hughes and Chamberlain for him..

No he gave up a 25 yr old righty from AA. I think he was 1-4 with like a 2.70 era or something like that. He was a reliever.

[Doctor Z]

AA Pitcher Jeff Kennard.

It's a solid move, I got no beef wit' it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just realized, that Tampa has two switch hitting catchers. So Will is not going to TB.

[cougarjake13]

I just realized, that Tampa has two switch hitting catchers. So Will is not going to TB.

well they already got one former shitty yankee catcher

why not another

[lleeder]

I just realized, that Tampa has two switch hitting catchers. So Will is not going to TB.

Yeah they said during the game that Tampa is the only team that has that.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah they said during the game that Tampa is the only team that has that.

i know posada is a switch hitter for the spanks but i cant think of any others

[lleeder]

i know posada is a switch hitter for the spanks but i cant think of any others

No I meant Tampa is the only team with two switch hitting catchers.

[Fallon]

Tampa is the only team with two switch hitting catchers.

What about Jeter and A-Rod?

[cougarjake13]

No I meant Tampa is the only team with two switch hitting catchers.

yeh i know that

i was just trying to think of any other switch hitting catchers in the game and the first one and only one without having to research it was posada

[cougarjake13]

What about Jeter and A-Rod?

one of them has to be a pitcher , no???

[Doctor Z]

Molina always seemed to have a big hit against the Yanks. He will be a nice addition.

Benji's the one that usually kills us.

[Fallon]

Benji's the one that usually kills us.

What about Gustavo and Yadier?

Are all four catchers related? That's crazy.

[midwestjeff]

What about Gustavo and Yadier?

Are all four catchers related? That's crazy.

Pretty sure Jose, Benji, and Yadier are brothers. Never heard of Gustavo, though.

[Fallon]

Pretty sure Jose, Benji, and Yadier are brothers. Never heard of Gustavo, though.

Catcher for the White Sox. Only played 10 games this season.

[Don Stugots]

Pretty sure Jose, Benji, and Yadier are brothers. Never heard of Gustavo, though.

he is like the other Gabor sister that no one really knows. its ok.

[Kevin]

Benji's the one that usually kills us.

They both always got big hits against us..

[Doctor Z]

Nepotism.

[Bulldogcakes]

No he gave up a 25 yr old righty from AA. I think he was 1-4 with like a 2.70 era or something like that. He was a reliever.

He'll be 26 next week. 26 year olds in AA are 95 times out of 100 career minor leaguers.

You would almost definitely have NEVER seen him in a Yankee uniform, ever. He's not even in the top 30 prospects, and half of them will never be in a Yankee uniform.

Good deal. I like the fact that he's a defensive specialist who can at least carry his weight with that bat. Nieves had two passed balls just last night, and barely ever threw out anyone on the basepaths. His bat was a joke. Do you realize even his OBP was below .200? I bet no one even picks him up, unless its to put him in the minors.

[Bulldogcakes]

NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/sports/baseball/22pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

Edwar Ramírez cried at his locker Friday night after a dizzying relief appearance against Tampa Bay, and Yankees Manager Joe Torre reassured him yesterday that he should not blame himself. Ramírez, who had not pitched in two weeks, walked four and allowed a grand slam.

“The fact that you don’t get into a game, it’s something you’re really conditioned to do,” Torre said. “But we really weren’t in any games that he could have come into.”

Some Yankees officials have been puzzled by Torre’s reluctance to use Ramírez, who had impressive strikeout numbers in the minors and struck out the side in his debut July 3. The thinking is that Ramírez could have been an answer for the Yankees’ inconsistent bullpen, but Torre never found out.

Poor guy. Its really not his fault.

[Bulldogcakes]

From the same article

General Manager Brian Cashman and Mark Newman, the senior vice president for player personnel, watched Chamberlain start for Class AA Trenton on Friday at New Britain. But that was mainly to evaluate whether Chamberlain should be promoted to Scranton.

Chamberlain struck out seven in four and two-thirds innings, but he allowed seven runs and nine hits, including three home runs. He is 4-2 with a 3.43 earned run average for Trenton.

Maybe you wont see him here after that performance, and if he knew Cashman was there watching him maybe he has trouble handling pressure.

But he seemed to take it in stride (http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-yankspitch0722.artjul22,0,5823766.story)

"His conversation is very mature," said Jackson, who drove from New York to see Chamberlain Thursday and returned Friday when the game was rained out. "His stuff is impressive, but his makeup is impressive also."

"I'll take one game like this out of 14," Chamberlain said. "It's not how you handle success, it's how you handle failure."

There is talk in the organization about promoting Chamberlain, who turns 22 in September, to New York to work as a reliever. He may not have the repertoire to be a major league starter yet, but his fastball and slider may already be good enough to get big league hitters out in short stints.

[Dan 'Hampton]

From the same article



Maybe you wont see him here after that performance, and if he knew Cashman was there watching him maybe he has trouble handling pressure.

Thats just a rought outing. It is surprising that it was against New Britain. Not too much power or guys hitting for average. A great little park to go to a game though. Did this guy they trade for one of the Molina's ever get a stab at the pen? A reliever with an ERA in the 2-3's? I thought they would have given him a shot.

[Bulldogcakes]

From the same article about the other big Yankee pitching prospect Ian Kennedy



Kennedy, the 21st pick, is 6-0 and 190, less imposing than Chamberlain but, with his three years and 50 starts at Southern Cal, a bit more polished. He could get a September look and a chance to earn a spot in the rotation next spring. His fastball and changeup are big-league caliber, scouts say. Kennedy, who was 6-1 with a 1.29 ERA at Tampa, is 5-1 with a 2.44 ERA since moving to Double A.

"He has a good idea of what he needs to do to get hitters out," Franklin said.



"If they keep pitching the way they're pitching," Cashman said, "they're going to force our hand."

[Doctor Z]

"Edwar Ramírez cried at his locker Friday night after a dizzying relief appearance against Tampa Bay."

Wait a minute... There's no CRYING in BASEBALL!

[Kevin]

NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/sports/baseball/22pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)



Poor guy. Its really not his fault.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Bios/snitsky.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Wait a minute... There's no CRYING in BASEBALL!

http://members.aol.com/legendlady321/nocryingtee.jpg




http://www.cracked.com/jp/quotesleague.jpg

[Doctor Z]

http://www.godzillatemple.com/photos/gzilla15.jpg

[Bulldogcakes]

NICE!

That was Cano's double, and Bowa's triple. Nice job by Larry.

[Kevin]

Shelly is hysterical.. But i also loved him when he played shaggy.

http://blog.zszaiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/scoobyshaggy.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

the past two days its actually been fun to be a Yankees fan.

[Doctor Z]

22 hits, I think 5 HRs?, Shelley Duncan's got 2 of 'em, A-Rod's got his 34th and 99 RBIs, Matsui is still red hot, 18 runs... and it's the 6th inning.


This game is hilarious.

[weekapaugjz]

22 hits, I think 5 HRs?, Shelley Duncan's got 2 of 'em, A-Rod's got his 34th and 99 RBIs, Matsui is still red hot, 18 runs... and it's the 6th inning.


This game is hilarious.

jesus. i just tuned in to check the score. what the fuck?!?!?!? so shelley gets his first hr yesterday and follows it up with two today?

[cougarjake13]

jesus. i just tuned in to check the score. what the fuck?!?!?!? so shelley gets his first hr yesterday and follows it up with two today?

wow i was off yesterday but maybe theyll get 20 today

glad im not a d rays fan

[Doctor Z]

I think it would be smart to have Proctor pitch the 8th & 9th. Can't let this one slip away.

[cougarjake13]

I think it would be smart to have Proctor pitch the 8th & 9th. Can't let this one slip away.

ya know how they have a desiginated hitter

they should just make proctor the desiginated 7th and 8th inning pitcher

[Bulldogcakes]

OK, I just dozed off. I woke up and Sean Henn was batting.

Scared the shit outta me. Can Wade Boggs and his knuckleball be far behind????!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Minnesota and Seattle are losing, if nothing else we move up in the WC standings.

Boston's winning, Cleveland goes tonight.

[cougarjake13]

Minnesota and Seattle are losing, if nothing else we move up in the WC standings.

Boston's winning, Cleveland goes tonight.



AL WILD CARD
Team GB
Indians -
Mariners 2
Twins 6
Yankees 6 ½
Blue Jays 9 ½
Athletics 11
Orioles 13 ½
White Sox 13 ½
Royals 14
Rangers 15
Devil Rays 19

[Bulldogcakes]

AL WILD CARD
Team GB
Indians -
Mariners 2
Twins 6
Yankees 6 ½

Now that all the games are final

Cleveland 57-40 .588 - -
Seattle 54-41 .568 2.0
New York 51-46 .526 6.0
Minnesota 51-47 .520 6.5


and Cleveland hasn't played yet.

[TheGameHHH]

6 games out and its still July........who's on the bandwagon and who's off? nows the time to be a fan and make a commitment.

[tupper65]

I'm all in! (and have been since day 1)
http://www.pokernews.com/files_en/cnt/44aa909dc0e0b.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

And now, for your HBox Hindsight Quote of the Day:



Andy Phillips? At least Mientkievicz can play defense and Phelps can occasionally hit. Phillips is like the worst parts of each of them combined.

[HBox]

And now, for your HBox Hindsight Quote of the Day:

He hit like this last year for a couple of weeks too.

[TheGameHHH]

He hit like this last year for a couple of weeks too.

he's been pretty good defensively as well, so im not sure why youre so down on him

[HBox]

he's been pretty good defensively as well, so im not sure why youre so down on him

Remember Migeul Cairo? He was awesome too for a while.

I'm not going to forget Phillips entire career because he hit well for two weeks. This is a guy who DFA'd after Spring Training. Any team could have had him and no one wanted him.

I don't want him around when he starts playing like Andy Phillips again.

[TheGameHHH]

Remember Migeul Cairo? He was awesome too for a while.

I'm not going to forget Phillips entire career because he hit well for two weeks. This is a guy who DFA'd after Spring Training. Any team could have had him and no one wanted him.

I don't want him around when he starts playing like Andy Phillips again.

Torre said he would have considered playing Cairo there everyday because he was playing so well. He was only removed because he simply wasn't a first basemen. thats when Phillips got the call up and he's filled in quite nicely. you cant just judge players because of how they performed last year. why not just enjoy the help he's giving the team?

[HBox]

Torre said he would have considered playing Cairo there everyday because he was playing so well. He was only removed because he simply wasn't a first basemen. thats when Phillips got the call up and he's filled in quite nicely. you cant just judge players because of how they performed last year. why not just enjoy the help he's giving the team?

So I can't judge him on his 240 ABs last season and his start to this season because he's playing good now? That doesn't make any sense.

I'm glad he's producing right now because he's the best option. But the expectation for him to continue this kind of production would be based in anything other than reality. He had 59 hits in 240 ABs last season. He also had 56 Ks. He was the least productive 1B in the AL last season with at least 200 ABs.

[BeltOfScotch]

As Kay loves to bring up, Phillips has gone through a lot, so I'm glad for him personally (and as a fan), that he's hitting right now.

But, with the lingering possibility that ARod might leave after this season, Giambi's injuries and Damon's decline, the Yankees might not be able to get away with a non power hitting first basemen in the future. They don't have a better option for right now, but I'm not sure I'd be too happy if Andy is playing 1st Opening Day next year.

What's the deal with Duncan? Is he a complete mess defensively?

[TheGameHHH]

As Kay loves to bring up, Phillips has gone through a lot, so I'm glad for him personally (and as a fan), that he's hitting right now.

But, with the lingering possibility that ARod might leave after this season, Giambi's injuries and Damon's decline, the Yankees might not be able to get away with a non power hitting first basemen in the future. They don't have a better option for right now, but I'm not sure I'd be too happy if Andy is playing 1st Opening Day next year.

What's the deal with Duncan? Is he a complete mess defensively?

and this is all im saying, he's the best option right now.........im not talking about how awful he was last season or claiming he's the 1B of the future. all im saying is right now he's helping this team win and thats what matters.

[Bulldogcakes]

And now, for your HBox Hindsight Quote of the Day:

You know TB, the reason why you get to do stuff like that is you never stick your neck out with an opinion. At least me and H get into some good debates about the team. You just sit on your big ass and poke holes in the one out of 10 things he gets wrong.

How about you chime in and we'll start keeping score on YOU? Huh, tough guy? How about that?

[Bulldogcakes]

As Kay loves to bring up, Phillips has gone through a lot, so I'm glad for him personally (and as a fan), that he's hitting right now.

But, with the lingering possibility that ARod might leave after this season, Giambi's injuries and Damon's decline, the Yankees might not be able to get away with a non power hitting first basemen in the future. They don't have a better option for right now, but I'm not sure I'd be too happy if Andy is playing 1st Opening Day next year.

What's the deal with Duncan? Is he a complete mess defensively?

Toronto is still talking about moving Troy Glaus (http://torontosun.com/Sports/Baseball/2007/07/21/4356713-sun.html), who they could play either at 1st or 3rd if A-Rod leaves. If the Tiexera price is too high (and it is according to everyone) then thats a plan B, either now or possibly in the off season. He fits the Yanks corner infield profile perfectly, good OBP and good power. Field his position well, OPS around .900, very nice.

About Duncan, Yes. He is a PURE DH. He was even a DH in the minors (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/shelley-duncan.shtml). Notice he has no fielding stats for 2006. Thats why he might not be as good a fit as the Yanks would like long term. But he'll stay up here as long as he keeps hitting HR's. And I like his intensity, Yanks used to have a few guys (Knobloch, Tino, O'Niell) who were all very intense like him when they were winning championships.

[Bulldogcakes]

By the way, is it just me or does anyone else not give a rats fat ass about how many career HR's A-Rod has? Or how many career wins Clemens has? I couldn't possibly care less about any of these guys individual milestones. Even tracking it as much as they do on YES and the Yankee website seems un-Yankee like to me.

Hang a pennant or get a trophy, thats all I give a fuck about.

[Kevin]

By the way, is it just me or does anyone else not give a rats fat ass about how many career HR's A-Rod has? Or how many career wins Clemens has? I couldn't possibly care less about any of these guys individual milestones. Even tracking it as much as they do on YES and the Yankee website seems un-Yankee like to me.

Hang a pennant or get a trophy, thats all I give a fuck about.

Pretty much..

[Tenbatsuzen]

So I can't judge him on his 240 ABs last season and his start to this season because he's playing good now? That doesn't make any sense.

I'm glad he's producing right now because he's the best option. But the expectation for him to continue this kind of production would be based in anything other than reality. He had 59 hits in 240 ABs last season. He also had 56 Ks. He was the least productive 1B in the AL last season with at least 200 ABs.

As a mitigating factor, Phillips' wife had a late miscarriage + cancer during the season last year. I'm not excusing it, but that might be one reason why he didn't perform so well last year.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know TB, the reason why you get to do stuff like that is you never stick your neck out with an opinion. At least me and H get into some good debates about the team. You just sit on your big ass and poke holes in the one out of 10 things he gets wrong.

How about you chime in and we'll start keeping score on YOU? Huh, tough guy? How about that?

First it was a joke. I did the same thing to him last year. It's funny.

Secondly, my opinions are well known. I hate when people use initials for people who normally don't use initials. Jeter can be known as "DJ", but Andy Pettite is not "AP", because then you get him confused with Andy Phillips and then the reality of the world is torn asunder.

My opinions? You want my opinions? Fine.

1) If A-Rod opts out, fuck him, I don't want him back and I will be ultra-pissed at the Yankees if they re-sign him. I cheer for him because he's a Yankee and he's helping the team. But if he opts out simply because he wants more money and resigns with the Yankees for more money, he's a greedy prick. And not a "true Yankee" that all of you hold so ideally.

2) I miss Sal Fasano.

3) Torre's bullpen management has been atrocious. That's not opinion, that's fact, my bad.

4) I said that the Yankees playoff hopes are "slim". I didn't give up on the season, and I still haven't given up on it; my hopes were raised once when they got hot earlier this season and fell apart. I don't want to see that again.

My hopes won't be "solidified" until we're either 2-3 games out of first or the wildcard by mid-August. "Striking distance" as it were.

5) If A-Rod opts out, I want the Yankees to immediately sign Torii Hunter and start working with Melky to become a third baseman.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What's the deal with Duncan? Is he a complete mess defensively?

Do you remember Steve Balboni by any chance?

[HBox]

5) If A-Rod opts out, I want the Yankees to immediately sign Torii Hunter and start working with Melky to become a third baseman.

:wacko:

[Bulldogcakes]

First it was a joke. I did the same thing to him last year. It's funny.

I wasn't being serious either. Thats why I threw in the "huh, tough guy" stuff. But if you want to start killing people for over reacting, you could nail just about everyone who posts here regularly. Its just us fans being fans, no biggie.

[TheGameHHH]

By the way, is it just me or does anyone else not give a rats fat ass about how many career HR's A-Rod has? Or how many career wins Clemens has? I couldn't possibly care less about any of these guys individual milestones. Even tracking it as much as they do on YES and the Yankee website seems un-Yankee like to me.

Hang a pennant or get a trophy, thats all I give a fuck about.

I also don't care and i'm sure A-rod doesn't either. nonetheless its an important stat and it should be shown. hitting 500 HRs is no easy feat. its not really that big of a deal that they are keeping track of it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

:wacko:

You're stuck with Abreu for next year. As good as Melky's been, even YOU have to admit that Torii would be an upgrade in centerfield. You can't trust 3B to Damon, and as far as I know, there's no real FA candidates who can fill that role. Melky is young enough and athletic enough to do it, unless you want to see what Jorge can do out there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Actually, Wiggington is in a contract year, isn't he?

Still, if you sign Torri to help replace A-rod's numbers, Melky's gonna have to go somewhere.

[TheGameHHH]

You're stuck with Abreu for next year. As good as Melky's been, even YOU have to admit that Torii would be an upgrade in centerfield. You can't trust 3B to Damon, and as far as I know, there's no real FA candidates who can fill that role. Melky is young enough and athletic enough to do it, unless you want to see what Jorge can do out there.

how long until Carl Crawford's contract is up? i think id rather have him, though I wouldn't mind Torii Hunter.

[Bulldogcakes]

I also don't care and i'm sure A-rod doesn't either.

Are you serious? A-Rod has known every personal stat he's ever had. This year he's stopped talking about them (since he knew most of the the public thought he's a numbers guy and not a winner for the past few years) and he's been trying all year to say the right things. Have you seen his interviews lately? He sounds like he's making a hostage tape.

[Bulldogcakes]

You're stuck with Abreu for next year.

No you're not. He has an option and the Yanks can simply decline to pick it up, which most people think they wont.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Forgive me, I was wrong. Abreu's contract is up this year. I thought he signed a two year extension last year.

OK. You cut ties with Abreu, Move melky to right and sign Hunter. Cut ties with A-Rod and sign Mike Lowell.

You like how I think now?

[Bulldogcakes]

how long until Carl Crawford's contract is up? i think id rather have him, though I wouldn't mind Torii Hunter.

I think its next year, but he's not a big OBP guy. I love the way he plays, but I'm not sure the Yanks would go after him. I would, but I doubt they will.

EDIT-Its not next year (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/03/2008_mlb_free_a.html)

And contract extensions are all the rage with GM's lately. So you never know anything past next year, and sometimes not even then like with Mark Beuhrle.

[BeltOfScotch]

I'm all for the Hunter signing, one of the reasons I wasn't big on Damon was because Hunter and Andruw Jones were going to be free agents this offseason. But, with Damon falling off physically this season, I can see them moving him to left, Matsui to right, and picking up Hunter to play center.

Melky is a fourth outfielder on the Yankees, why not just leave him there? He can play any outfield position and is a good enough hitter coming off the bench. But putting him at a corner infield position where power is generally desired is silly. I'd rather have Glaus, Ty Wigginton or Mike Lowell, who will be a free agent this offseason.

I don't really care about ARod's HRs either, but it's not because he hasn't won on the Yankees. First off, 500 HRs isn't a big deal anymore, it used to be something that happened every couple of years. This year there are 6 or 7 guys close to it. Plus, it doesn't have the appeal of a career accomplishment because he's only 31 years old. Everybody knows he's going to be playing for a while and this is just an interim number.

I like Duncan, but if all he can do is DH, he doesn't have a place on this team until 2009 when Giambi's deal is up.

[HBox]

You're stuck with Abreu for next year. As good as Melky's been, even YOU have to admit that Torii would be an upgrade in centerfield. You can't trust 3B to Damon, and as far as I know, there's no real FA candidates who can fill that role. Melky is young enough and athletic enough to do it, unless you want to see what Jorge can do out there.

They ain't bringing back Abreu next year. And Damon is stuck here for 2 more years like it or not. And Giambi will be here next year too.

As far as Torii Hunter goes didn't we just learn something from the Damon signing? And I think Torii will cost more in money and years. Considering that all I'd actually be comfortable going into next year with Melky in CF. He's still very young. He has time to develop more power and if he does all of a sudden he's a very good CF. As far as third goes, he's never played there. You can't count on him being able to do it at all, let alone becoming good enough to play everyday in the course of one spring training.

And if A-Rod opts out all options are on the table. It's not just the FA market, there's the trade market as well. There will be lots of options. Cano provides flexibility. He can play third and second so the Yanks can look at what's available at either position.

[TheGameHHH]

Are you serious? A-Rod has known every personal stat he's ever had. This year he's stopped talking about them (since he knew most of the the public thought he's a numbers guy and not a winner for the past few years) and he's been trying all year to say the right things. Have you seen his interviews lately? He sounds like he's making a hostage tape.

just cause he knows his numbers doesn't mean he's all about them. i would def. know when i was going for 500 HRs, but what I would to accomplish more would be to win a championship. You can call A-rod a greedy, money hungry player but i do believe he cares about trying to win a championship. the stats are secondary

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm glad that most people are seeing it my way that if A-Rod opts out, it's an insult to the Yankees and the Yankees fans, and the only way we would take him back if he opts out is for LESS than what he was making before.

Of course, if A-Rod opts, you can damn well be sure that John Henry will throw fucking everything at him. It'll basically be an A-Rod for Lowell trade.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And if A-Rod opts out all options are on the table. It's not just the FA market, there's the trade market as well. There will be lots of options. Cano provides flexibility. He can play third and second so the Yanks can look at what's available at either position.



Luis Castillo will be available too. Let's just rape Minnesota.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm glad that most people are seeing it my way that if A-Rod opts out, it's an insult to the Yankees and the Yankees fans, and the only way we would take him back if he opts out is for LESS than what he was making before.

Of course, if A-Rod opts, you can damn well be sure that John Henry will throw fucking everything at him. It'll basically be an A-Rod for Lowell trade.

i think if he opts out and re-signs with the Yanks for MORE money then puts up another year like he's having now, nobody is going to give a shit that he opted out.

[HBox]

I'm glad that most people are seeing it my way that if A-Rod opts out, it's an insult to the Yankees and the Yankees fans, and the only way we would take him back if he opts out is for LESS than what he was making before.

Of course, if A-Rod opts, you can damn well be sure that John Henry will throw fucking everything at him. It'll basically be an A-Rod for Lowell trade.

And what a wonderful trade that would be.

I don't understand why everyone wants Lowell. He'll be 35 next year. I'd only want him on a cheap and very short contract.

[HBox]

How about Adam Dunn? He'll be available.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to say it, but Giambi is breaking down just like Pavano did, the only difference is that we got SOME value out of Giambi.

If Giambi comes back this season, he's basically going to be a bench player, and then he'll have to fight for a job. If Phillips can keep up playing well, there's nothing that can't be said about Phillips and Shelley being a 1B platoon next year.

I can totally see the Yankees trading away Giambi for magic beans and paying the rest of his contract just to make it "go away".

[Tenbatsuzen]

i think if he opts out and re-signs with the Yanks for MORE money then puts up another year like he's having now, nobody is going to give a shit that he opted out.

Whatever he's doing now doesn't mean shit to me unless he can do it in the postseason. If the Yankees go through this rollercoaster year, make the playoffs by the grace of God, and then A-Rod grows a magic vagina again, then fuck it. Let him opt out.

[HBox]

I hate to say it, but Giambi is breaking down just like Pavano did, the only difference is that we got SOME value out of Giambi.

If Giambi comes back this season, he's basically going to be a bench player, and then he'll have to fight for a job. If Phillips can keep up playing well, there's nothing that can't be said about Phillips and Shelley being a 1B platoon next year.

I can totally see the Yankees trading away Giambi for magic beans and paying the rest of his contract just to make it "go away".

Giambi will be in the lineup when he's back and healthy. Duncan and Giambi will not be on the roster at the same time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

How about Adam Dunn? He'll be available.

That Asian fellow may object.

[HBox]

That Asian fellow may object.

I was thinking more to replace Abreu next year, and then to be moved to first base. Hell, maybe they move him to first base right away. He's not long for the outfield.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, Crawford is not a FA until 2010. When he'll be 29. Jeez, I feel old.

[TheGameHHH]

Whatever he's doing now doesn't mean shit to me unless he can do it in the postseason. If the Yankees go through this rollercoaster year, make the playoffs by the grace of God, and then A-Rod grows a magic vagina again, then fuck it. Let him opt out.

he showed up in '04 and even won a series, didnt in '05, and NOBODY showed up in '06. i'm not saying thats a good thing but if he does show up in '07 come October and still opts out, re-signs and puts up a monster year again. who cares if he opted out?

[TheGameHHH]

BTW, Crawford is not a FA until 2010. When he'll be 29. Jeez, I feel old.

any player options or team options before 2010?

[BeltOfScotch]

How about Adam Dunn? He'll be available.

Shelley Duncan seems like a younger Adam Dunn so far, who needs two of them?

About Lowell, and also with Hunter, my interest in both of course depends on the type of deal they'll want. Lowell's a solid bat, can play the position and has experience in the Yankee-Red Sox mess.

[Tenbatsuzen]

he showed up in '04 and even won a series, didnt in '05, and NOBODY showed up in '06. i'm not saying thats a good thing but if he does show up in '07 come October and still opts out, re-signs and puts up a monster year again. who cares if he opted out?

The man makes how much... 20? 25 million a year?

How much money do you need?

A-Rod opting out would be like cheating on your wife, then coming back to her, asking you to take you back, but she has to buy you a new car to take you back.

He's got a contract. Honor it.

This isn't a situation where he's making 800k a year and wants to be paid market value. He's making market value money. Sorry.

[HBox]

Shelley Duncan seems like a younger Adam Dunn so far, who needs two of them?

About Lowell, and also with Hunter, my interest in both of course depends on the type of deal they'll want. Lowell's a solid bat, can play the position and has experience in the Yankee-Red Sox mess.

Lat's wait a little longer than 3 games before calling Duncan a version of one of the best power hitters in the game today.

[BeltOfScotch]

Lat's wait a little longer than 3 games before calling Duncan a version of one of the best power hitters in the game today.

Next you're going to tell me Kevin Maas and Shane Spencer aren't the future.

[RingWraith]

By the way, is it just me or does anyone else not give a rats fat ass about how many career HR's A-Rod has? Or how many career wins Clemens has? I couldn't possibly care less about any of these guys individual milestones. Even tracking it as much as they do on YES and the Yankee website seems un-Yankee like to me.

Hang a pennant or get a trophy, thats all I give a fuck about.


I don't know Mr. Cakes, it would be nice to have one of the immortal records back from a NY Yankee. (Of course that's if A-Rod returns in pinstripes)

But lately, WS title would be NICER!!!!!!!!!

[A.J.]

By the way, is it just me or does anyone else not give a rats fat ass about how many career HR's A-Rod has? Or how many career wins Clemens has? I couldn't possibly care less about any of these guys individual milestones. Even tracking it as much as they do on YES and the Yankee website seems un-Yankee like to me.

Hang a pennant or get a trophy, thats all I give a fuck about.

That's true. Individual records are great -- if they lead to championships. That's why Lou Gehrig's, Joe D's and Babe Ruth's/Roger Maris' records take on an added luster.

As a Celtics fan the only thing important to me is 16 -- not the individual records all those Hall of Famers had.

[Freitag]

As a Celtics fan the only thing important to me is 16

Is that "Number of head coaches since 1999" or "Total Wins from last Season"?

[A.J.]

Exactly.

It's also the number of consecutive shitty draft picks.

[Freitag]

Exactly.

It's also the number of consecutive shitty draft picks.

Ironically, Len Bias is probably high-grade fertilizer at this point

[Freitag]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/subwaysquawkers/2007/07/time_to_get_shelley_duncan_a_n.html

No. No. NO. Oh GOD No.

[RingWraith]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/subwaysquawkers/2007/07/time_to_get_shelley_duncan_a_n.html

No. No. NO. Oh GOD No.


With a name like Shelly Duncan, you know it will be inevitable that John Sterling will figure out a homerun call for Duncan.

Even a no name like Kevin Green last year had one!!! "It ain't easy being green!" Remember that?

[Freitag]

With a name like Shelly Duncan, you know it will be inevitable that John Sterling will figure out a homerun call for Duncan.

Even a no name like Kevin Green last year had one!!! "It ain't easy being green!" Remember that?

Yes. With a burning hatred of a thousand suns, I remember it. My hatred for Sterling's inorganic calls was well-documented here last year.

[TheGameHHH]

The man makes how much... 20? 25 million a year?

How much money do you need?

A-Rod opting out would be like cheating on your wife, then coming back to her, asking you to take you back, but she has to buy you a new car to take you back.

He's got a contract. Honor it.

This isn't a situation where he's making 800k a year and wants to be paid market value. He's making market value money. Sorry.

but he is honoring it. this clause was built in to his contract, he's allowed to take advantage of it. thats the whole point of a contract.

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/subwaysquawkers/2007/07/time_to_get_shelley_duncan_a_n.html

No. No. NO. Oh GOD No.

Duncan hits a donut!

We have a winner.



and a sponsor.

[7fttall500+]

ARod haters GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!

[lleeder]

With a name like Shelly Duncan, you know it will be inevitable that John Sterling will figure out a homerun call for Duncan.

Even a no name like Kevin Green last year had one!!! "It ain't easy being green!" Remember that?

How about "Duncan goes round the world with that Yo-yo, and the Yankees take the lead"?

[cougarjake13]

any player options or team options before 2010?

Both outfielders signed six-year deals for around $32-million, though there are significant differences. Crawford gave the Rays options on his first two years of free agency and Baldelli gave up three years, and Crawford gets more guaranteed money, $15.25-million to $9-million. Still, they apparently are similar enough that Crawford is already looking forward to his next deal, even though this one can run through 2010

[Bulldogcakes]

Melky gets on base, good things happen.

He gets and keeps his OBP above .350 (like last year) and thats your future RF and leadoff hitter. Especially since Tori Hunter is practically already signed for CF next year.

[cougarjake13]

Melky gets on base, good things happen.

He gets and keeps his OBP above .350 (like last year) and thats your future RF and leadoff hitter. Especially since Tori Hunter is practically already signed for CF next year.

did snooganscar tell you that news about torii ???

[Bulldogcakes]

did snooganscar tell you that news about torii ???

No, its just that the Yanks have been counting the days till he's a free agent for the last 2 years, and he's said a few times that he wants to play here.

[cougarjake13]

No, its just that the Yanks have been counting the days till he's a free agent for the last 2 years, and he's said a few times that he wants to play here.

ahh good reason then


so damon goes to right ???

[Bulldogcakes]

ahh good reason then


so damon goes to right ???

Damon has been soooo bad this year, I dont know what to make of him. He's probably not tradable, he CAN'T play right with that wet noodle arm of his. Not with Melky on the roster. Matsui is going to be in left for both baseball and marketing reasons. DH? Giambi's signed for next year at 20 mil.

I don't know what on earth they'll do with him. My guess is DH since Giambi never plays anymore.

[cougarjake13]

Damon has been soooo bad this year, I dont know what to make of him. He's probably not tradable, he CAN'T play right with that wet noodle arm of his. Not with Melky on the roster. Matsui is going to be in left for both baseball and marketing reasons. DH? Giambi's signed for next year at 20 mil.

I don't know what on earth they'll do with him. My guess is DH since Giambi never plays anymore.

so unless they dump giambi, or trade someone wont they have too much of a logjam to get torii ???

[HBox]

Am I the only one sick of these half hour news hour ads. That show looks like the worst thing ever.

[HBox]

No, its just that the Yanks have been counting the days till he's a free agent for the last 2 years, and he's said a few times that he wants to play here.

If that's true why did they sign Damon in that time frame?

[Tenbatsuzen]

If that's true why did they sign Damon in that time frame?

Probably had no idea Melky was gonna come on like he did.

[Bulldogcakes]

If that's true why did they sign Damon in that time frame?

He was a free agent, and that was the going rate. Remember the Bosox offered something like 4-40, so the Yanks had to at least match the years and top the dollars.

But even when Damon signed, some of the beat reporters started talking about what happens when Tori Hunter becomes a free agent. You might remember when Damon signed they asked him about "moving to left or right" down the line. Thats what they were referring to.

And TB is also right, nobody anticipated Melky being a factor when Damon signed two years ago.

[Doctor Z]

Can someone tell me who am I supposed to cheer for in this Indians/Red Sox series? I guess just hope for a split, right?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Man, he hit that ball a Gload.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Can someone tell me who am I supposed to cheer for in this Indians/Red Sox series? I guess just hope for a split, right?

As long as the Yankees win, pick 'em. I actually felt good for Lester winning tonight. It's, after all, Feel Good Story Monday.

[cougarjake13]

Can someone tell me who am I supposed to cheer for in this Indians/Red Sox series? I guess just hope for a split, right?

well id have to say you have to root for cleveland b/c you have a better chance to catch boston, you play them a bunch more than cleveland the rest of the year and you only have to catch one team

in the wild card you'd have to jump the mariners and indians and you still ahve the twinkies to possibly deal with

[Bulldogcakes]

Can someone tell me who am I supposed to cheer for in this Indians/Red Sox series? I guess just hope for a split, right?

Way I see it, either way is good for us. I wish they'd play each other every night.

Indians just lost, Seattle is tied in the 5th. Yanks hold on they're 5.5 back in the Wild Card. 5 in the loss.

[cougarjake13]

Way I see it, either way is good for us. I wish they'd play each other every night.

Indians just lost, Seattle is tied in the 5th. Yanks hold on they're 5.5 back in the Wild Card. 5 in the loss.

yeh its only a 4 game series so it dont really matter much, its how those teams play the rest of the way that matters most

but i nterms of immediate help and best for the yanks and controlling their own destiny

a sweep by cleveland and the games left against boston is the way to go , damn just looked it up and theres only 3 games left against beantown

still the way to go in my opinion

[Doctor Z]

damn just looked it up and theres only 3 games left against beantown

You sho 'bout 'dat? For some reason I thought it was 6. (I'm too lazy to actually check myself).

[BeltOfScotch]

It's 6

August 28-30 at the Stadium
September 14-16 in Boston

[ChrisTheCop]

It's 6

August 28-30 at the Stadium
September 14-16 in Boston

Not to mention the post-season...oh. yeah. sorry.

[cougarjake13]

You sho 'bout 'dat? For some reason I thought it was 6. (I'm too lazy to actually check myself).

yeh i was checking fox sports.com and it only showed the 3 august games left

[cougarjake13]

Not to mention the post-season...oh. yeah. sorry.

well they were talking about who would be the team to root for in terms of catching to make a playoff spot

[Doctor Z]

Okay, new rule: Never interview Luis Viscaino again. It gives me douche chills.

[TheGameHHH]

Way I see it, either way is good for us. I wish they'd play each other every night.

Indians just lost, Seattle is tied in the 5th. Yanks hold on they're 5.5 back in the Wild Card. 5 in the loss.

its only a good thing if the Yankees win, if they lose they are losing ground on one team and not gaining on another.

[Kevin]

Not to mention the post-season...oh. yeah. sorry.

All i have to say is.. Don't be so sure my friend..

[Doctor Z]

I love the picture MLB.com always uses for Wang headlines.

[cougarjake13]

I love the picture MLB.com always uses for Wang headlines.

whats its say ???

[Bulldogcakes]

Yanks interested in Garland (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/sports/yankees/bombers_convene_trade_yankees_george_king.htm)

I don't get this, unless they plan on using Hughes and Chamberlain out of the pen. They need a 5th starter, but unless Moose is going somewhere or they think he's done (like I do) I don't see how Hughes fits in.

Dropping Igawa is a no brainer, replacing Hughes with Moose would be a ballsy move.

[TheGameHHH]

Yanks interested in Garland (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/sports/yankees/bombers_convene_trade_yankees_george_king.htm)

im not too excited about that move depending on what they have to give up. ill go to war with wang pettite clemens and hughes down the stretch.....is he that much of an upgrade from Moose? i know Moose's ERA is rather higher, but Garland is over 4.00 as well.

[HBox]

Yanks interested in Garland (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/sports/yankees/bombers_convene_trade_yankees_george_king.htm)

I don't get this, unless they plan on using Hughes and Chamberlain out of the pen. They need a 5th starter, but unless Moose is going somewhere or they think he's done (like I do) I don't see how Hughes fits in.

Dropping Igawa is a no brainer, replacing Hughes with Moose would be a ballsy move.

Or: George King is a know-nothing douche.

[Bulldogcakes]

im not too excited about that move depending on what they have to give up. ill go to war with wang pettite clemens and hughes down the stretch.....is he that much of an upgrade from Moose? i know Moose's ERA is rather higher, but Garland is over 4.00 as well.

Garland is 27, he always kills the Yanks and pitches well in Yankee stadium. If the White Sox deal him, he'd be the best available pitcher. Very tough on lefties, which will help against the Bosox and a big reason why he's so good in Yankee stadium. He has a 1.13 ERA in the Bronx over the past 3 years.

[TheGameHHH]

Garland is 27, he always kills the Yanks and pitches well in Yankee stadium. If the White Sox deal him, he'd be the best available pitcher. Very tough on lefties, which will help against the Bosox and a big reason why he's so good in Yankee stadium.

yes, i'm aware of that........but its not like we are going to get him for nothing. who do the yankees plan on giving up in order to obtain his services? the white sox aren't going to take our shitty pitchers so what else is there to give up for this guy?

[cougarjake13]

yes, i'm aware of that........but its not like we are going to get him for nothing. who do the yankees plan on giving up in order to obtain his services? the white sox aren't going to take our shitty pitchers so what else is there to give up for this guy?

wil nieves and andy philips ???

[Bulldogcakes]

yes, i'm aware of that........but its not like we are going to get him for nothing. who do the yankees plan on giving up in order to obtain his services? the white sox aren't going to take our shitty pitchers so what else is there to give up for this guy?

I don't think the Yanks will give up Hughes or Chamberlain. They have Alan Horne, Jeff Marquez and maybe Ian Kennedy that could include in a deal. Also, don't forget a guy like Karstens could be thrown in.

Its just a rumor, but he's a hell of a pitcher. Makes 10 mil this year, could be a salary dump. He's a free agent in 2009 (after next year).

[HBox]

It's nice that Batman could take a day off of filming to pitch a few for the Royals.

[Bulldogcakes]

Or: George King is a know-nothing douche.

Are the local Chicago writers "know nothings" too? (http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/6681/20070709/garland_now_chicagos_best_trade_chip/)

I still dont see how he'd fit, unless you plan to move Mussina or use Hughes out of the pen. But he'd be an upgrade over Moose and obviously over Igawa.

[HBox]

Are the local Chicago writers "know nothings" too? (http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/6681/20070709/garland_now_chicagos_best_trade_chip/)

I still dont see how he'd fit, unless you plan to move Mussina or use Hughes out of the pen. But he'd be an upgrade over Moose and obviously over Igawa.

I didn't see that the Yanks were interested.

[Bulldogcakes]

I didn't see that the Yanks were interested.

Not there, but he's clearly available. Anyway, its just a rumor. Last year they had a done deal to trade Garland and they pulled out at the last minute.

[Bulldogcakes]

Seattle lost, Cleveland lost. We hold on tonight and its down to 4.5 behind Cleveland and 1.5 behind Seattle for the WC.

That will also be 16 of the last 21.

[cougarjake13]

Seattle lost, Cleveland lost. We hold on tonight and its down to 4.5 behind Cleveland and 1.5 behind Seattle for the WC.

That will also be 16 of the last 21.

and thats why you can never count out the yankees

[Kevin]

I don't think the Yanks will give up Hughes or Chamberlain. They have Alan Horne, Jeff Marquez and maybe Ian Kennedy that could include in a deal. Also, don't forget a guy like Karstens could be thrown in.

Its just a rumor, but he's a hell of a pitcher. Makes 10 mil this year, could be a salary dump. He's a free agent in 2009 (after next year).

If the Yankees give up Kennedy.............. KENNEDY!!! In that deal, they are retarded.. No way i give up a guy like him for John fucking Garland.

[BeltOfScotch]

Phil Hughes had another nice performance tonight in Scranton.

6IP
2 hits
1 walk
7Ks
73 pitches

[TheGameHHH]

and thats why you can never count out the yankees

unfortunately some around here like to do that as do other yankee fans in general. its kinda upsetting

[Bulldogcakes]

Phil Hughes had another nice performance tonight in Scranton.

6IP
2 hits
1 walk
7Ks
73 pitches

Some more on that from the NYPost (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07252007/sports/yankees/bombers_debate_plan_for_deadline_yankees_george_ki ng.htm)
Judging from the numbers, Phil Hughes looks like he is ready to rejoin the Yankees. In a rehab start for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Triple-A) last night against Louisville, Hughes hurled six scoreless innings, allowing two hits, one walk and fanning seven. He pitched out of a bases loaded, no-out jam in the fifth by inducing a shallow fly and two strikeouts.

"I was struggling early on to really command the fastball," Hughes said. "I was throwing enough for strikes, but they weren't good strikes. I was missing up and missing out over the plate a little bit. The biggest thing was, tonight was really a night when I had enough time to see where I needed to make adjustments and was able to adjust later on in the game."

Thats what has always impressed me the most about Hughes. He talks like a guy who's been in the league 10 years. And the ability to self correct as the game goes on is why he'll be a big pitcher.

[cougarjake13]

unfortunately some around here like to do that as do other yankee fans in general. its kinda upsetting

i mean granted things werent looking good at they made no case that they could go on a run such as they have but there was over 85 games left before they 16-5 run

so there was plenty of time yet

[Kevin]

Giambi set to start rehab assignment, says he's 'fired up' (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2948878)

TAMPA, Fla. -- New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi is set to start a minor league rehab assignment Friday night with Class A Tampa and hopes to rejoin the team next week.

If he can back to his level.. (which i amnot sure he can do anymore) this team can be pretty awesome.

[Bulldogcakes]

A HEALTHY Giambi will be a nice addition. The guy who went on the DL can stay there.

[Dan 'Hampton]

An INJECTED Giambi will be a nice addition. The guy who went on the DL can stay there.

There fixed it for ya.

[Kevin]

There fixed it for ya.

Pretty much... But you can add that to mostly any athlete now..

[cougarjake13]

Giambi set to start rehab assignment, says he's 'fired up' (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2948878)

TAMPA, Fla. -- New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi is set to start a minor league rehab assignment Friday night with Class A Tampa and hopes to rejoin the team next week.

If he can back to his level.. (which i amnot sure he can do anymore) this team can be pretty awesome.


maybe i should go and see if he'll sign my bottle of winstrol

[TheGameHHH]

does anyone think having Giambi back might fuck with the chemistry of this line-up right now? i dont think you can pay a man that much and have him ride the bench, but its still a possibility he could hurt the Yankees more then help them right now.

[HBox]

does anyone think having Giambi back might fuck with the chemistry of this line-up right now? i dont think you can pay a man that much and have him ride the bench, but its still a possibility he could hurt the Yankees more then help them right now.

If he's healthy and he's produces close to his level he'll help. He would be much more helpful if he could play first.

[cougarjake13]

does anyone think having Giambi back might fuck with the chemistry of this line-up right now? i dont think you can pay a man that much and have him ride the bench, but its still a possibility he could hurt the Yankees more then help them right now.

there's always that possibility but usually that occurs when a guy comes from another team

giambi been a part of the team, and more importantly the clubhouse

so as long as they other guys in the room dont hate him, and he produces more often than not they should be alright

[HBox]

I hope Torre has the good sense to put Giambi in the back of the lineup until he proves he's back. Immediately putting Giambi in the 4 or 5 spot in a position to kill rallies while he's trying to work his way back would be disaster. Wait until he proves he's back to drawing walks and slugging homers.

[Kevin]

I hope Torre has the good sense to put Giambi in the back of the lineup until he proves he's back. Immediately putting Giambi in the 4 or 5 spot in a position to kill rallies while he's trying to work his way back would be disaster. Wait until he proves he's back to drawing walks and slugging homers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thats terrific.. thats terrific..

[sailor]

do we prefer the sox or indians to win tonight? which works out better for the yanks? granted the wild-card is closer, but pulling closer to boston (god willing!) might be better for the players' psyches.

[TheGameHHH]

do we prefer the sox or indians to win tonight? which works out better for the yanks? granted the wild-card is closer, but pulling closer to boston (god willing!) might be better for the players' psyches.

u wanna get into the playoffs, thats the goal. it doesnt matter if its in front of or behind the bosox, once the postseason starts everyone is 0-0. the indians are the closer goal right now, so u gotta pull for the sox to win.

[Kevin]

do we prefer the sox or indians to win tonight? which works out better for the yanks? granted the wild-card is closer, but pulling closer to boston (god willing!) might be better for the players' psyches.

I honestly don't give a shit how we get into the playoffs.. What good has winning the div has gotten us.. If the team plays like it can.. I dont care where we play..

[cougarjake13]

do we prefer the sox or indians to win tonight? which works out better for the yanks? granted the wild-card is closer, but pulling closer to boston (god willing!) might be better for the players' psyches.

i said earlier in the thread its better for the indians to win since the yanks only need to catch the sawx in the divsion

whereas in the wild card standings they have to jump the mariners and indians as well as the twinkies right on their backs, at least they were before they got swept by toronto

[Bulldogcakes]

If he's healthy and he's produces close to his level he'll help. He would be much more helpful if he could play first.

Thats could be a big problem. If Shelly Duncan keeps hitting, he would be a nice righty bat off the bench with some pop. But Duncan can't play the field either. You just cant carry TWO guys on your roster both of whom can't play the field. Not if you either want to have a decent bench or bullpen. So Duncan would have to go, even if he's doing well. Not good.

Also, don't forget Meintkevitz is a few weeks away from coming back too. Now were back to 3 spots on the roster for 1B. Kiss your bench or bullpen depth goodbye. Then we can all start killing Torre again for how he's blowing out his bullpen, when the truth will be it's short one man.

[HBox]

Thats could be a big problem. If Shelly Duncan keeps hitting, he would be a nice righty bat off the bench with some pop. But Duncan can't play the field either. You just cant carry TWO guys on your roster both of whom can't play the field. Not if you either want to have a decent bench or bullpen. So Duncan would have to go, even if he's doing well. Not good.

They did that most of the season with Phelps and Giambi.

[Bulldogcakes]

the Melk Man Delivers!

[Bulldogcakes]

They did that most of the season with Phelps and Giambi.

They were 5 games under .500 for most of the season, too.

[HBox]

They were 5 games under .500 for most of the season, too.

Melky, Damon, Cano and Abreu all hit like shit for most of the season too.

[Bulldogcakes]

Melky, Damon, Cano and Abreu all hit like shit for most of the season too.

True. It still drives me nuts to use 3 spots for 1B of all positions. I think we can expect to get more innings out of the starters with Hughes in and Igawa out, so maybe you go with 11 pitchers and its not so bad. Again, if he's HEALTHY, he can help alot and its worthwhile.

[Bulldogcakes]

Did anyone just hear Joba Chamberlain's line in AAA tonight?
5 innings, 4 hits no runs and 10 strikeouts.

I'm thinking of referring to him from now on as Joba "The Answer" Chamberlain.

[HBox]

True. It still drives me nuts to use 3 spots for 1B of all positions. I think we can expect to get more innings out of the starters with Hughes in and Igawa out, so maybe you go with 11 pitchers and its not so bad. Again, if he's HEALTHY, he can help alot and its worthwhile.

I think that Duncan gets sent down once Giambi comes back no matter what. It'd be nice to see if they could ride out a Shane Spencer-like hot streak but the lineup is tight already. Damon, Melky and Giambi will be fighting for time already. That will help the bench depth itself since one of them will be on the bench every night. It would be nice to have an everyday first baseman but you play with what you got.

I'm not sure Mientkievicz has a spot here anymore. Him and Phillips are pretty much a wash at this point. The Yanks are stuck with a glut of mediocre first baseman.

Nice start for Joba tonight. 10Ks in 5IP in his first AAA start.

[HBox]

I wish I had some tickets to Scranton this week. Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy all making starts. Nice look at the possible future.

The sad story behind it is that Tyler Clippard and Chase Wright were demoted to make room for them. Two pitchers who were at least temporarily fucked up by being brought up too soon. That's why I think they should be cautious with Chamberlain. I'd like to see him making starts for this team next year and not spending the year trying to fix his mechanics because he got all screwed up by being brought up early.

[Bulldogcakes]

The sad story behind it is that Tyler Clippard and Chase Wright were demoted to make room for them. Two pitchers who were at least temporarily fucked up by being brought up too soon. That's why I think they should be cautious with Chamberlain. I'd like to see him making starts for this team next year and not spending the year trying to fix his mechanics because he got all screwed up by being brought up early.

The difference with Chase Wright/Clippard and Chamberlain is they weren't brought up because they were truly ready, they were brought up because the Yanks simply needed someone, anyone to make a few starts for them. They were also never on Chamberlains level as a prospect. Scouts say Chamberlain has both the fastball and slider to get MLB hitters out right now, with excellent control of both. His secondary pitches need work, but he wont need them if he's used out of the bullpen. He might not ever need them even as a starter. Some guys have had some pretty decent careers just throwing fastballs and sliders. Guidry and Randy Johnson come to mind.

Don't forget too that Melky was brought up too soon, failed miserably and fought his way back the next year. Cashman believes "The good ones will find a way" to get to and stay in the bigs. The notion of "ruining" a guy because of bringing him up too soon would tell me the guy the guy didn't have the mental makeup to be a good pitcher if his confidence could be destroyed so easily. I don't think Rick Ankiel was EVER going to succeed in MLB no matter when the Cards brought him up. Just not cut out for it, and that includes mentally, especially in NY.

[TheGameHHH]

Did anyone just hear Joba Chamberlain's line in AAA tonight?
5 innings, 4 hits no runs and 10 strikeouts.

I'm thinking of referring to him from now on as Joba "The Answer" Chamberlain.

I just love that his name sounds like a Star Wars character.

[cougarjake13]

I just love that his name sounds like a Star Wars character.

yeh i was trying to come up with a possible post backpage headline

and all i got was something with joba the hut

[Doctor Z]

Trouble is, with Giambi in (assumably at DH), Damon's playing center. Melky's given this team some fire lately, but more notably, his arm in center is very beneficial. He has like 10 assists this year. So, Giambi comes back, we have a question mark in the batting order, and no defense in center. I dunno how I feel about this...

[TheGameHHH]

Trouble is, with Giambi in (assumably at DH), Damon's playing center. Melky's given this team some fire lately, but more notably, his arm in center is very beneficial. He has like 10 assists this year. So, Giambi comes back, we have a question mark in the batting order, and no defense in center. I dunno how I feel about this...

thats what i was saying before with him hurting us more then helping right now.

[TheGameHHH]

its so sad that nobody but luis vizciano and mo can get 3 batters out in an inning.

[Doctor Z]

http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/eardley/atom_bomb_2.jpg
499

[Doctor Z]

http://www.godzillatemple.com/photos/gzilla15.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

4.5 for the Wild Card and 6.5 for the division, another series win........gotta start getting excited about these last two months.

[HBox]

4.5 for the Wild Card and 6.5 for the division, another series win........gotta start getting excited about these last two months.

Lucky for you that Kei Igawa is pitching tomorrow for a reality check. We wouldn't want you getting TOO excited.

[TheGameHHH]

Lucky for you that Kei Igawa is pitching tomorrow for a reality check. We wouldn't want you getting TOO excited.

i know, im actually already dealing with the fact that they will lose tomorrows game. but what makes me feel better is in a couple weeks that spot belongs to Phil 'The Franchise' Hughes.

[Doctor Z]

Why do I feel like Giambi coming back is gonna work about as well as Sheffield coming back at the end of last season?

This team is clicking, Matsui has really picked it up in the DH spot, Melky is commanding center field... Even Andy Phillips is hitting the ball well.

I'm afraid to bring back Giambi.

[Kevin]

WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Johnny Damon
Yankees Braves? A Bronx farewell?
Jul 26 - The Yankees have been calling a few teams to see if they'd be interested in taking center fielder Johnny Damon off their hands, the Newark Star-Ledger reports. One of those teams is believed to be the Braves. Their answer? They liked Damon, "but not at that price."
Damon is signed through 2009 at $13 million per season. If the Yankees were to trade him, which they technically could if they believe Jason Giambi is coming back soon from his foot injury, they'd probably have to chip in a good chunk of that salary. The money and Damon's limited no-trade clause make for a tough sell, but the Yanks still are looking into the possiblity

Interesting..


On another note.. Watching highlights of last night.. How great are Melky and Robby for the team? They bring such a needed level of child like exuberance to the team that has to be comforting. Watching them interact with Arod after his hr was great.. We have not really had that in a long time.. And its gotta help Arod just relax.

[RingWraith]

Why do I feel like Giambi coming back is gonna work about as well as Sheffield coming back at the end of last season?

This team is clicking, Matsui has really picked it up in the DH spot, Melky is commanding center field... Even Andy Phillips is hitting the ball well.

I'm afraid to bring back Giambi.

You know, I was thinking the same thing lately. Things are going so well with the lineup, it be crazy to mess it up. But Giambi will be back. And I really really hope that does not fuck up everything.

By the way, what are the chances Kei Igawa ACTUALLY pitches a decent game tonight??? Just wondering.

[Freitag]

Why do I feel like Giambi coming back is gonna work about as well as Sheffield coming back at the end of last season?

This team is clicking, Matsui has really picked it up in the DH spot, Melky is commanding center field... Even Andy Phillips is hitting the ball well.

I'm afraid to bring back Giambi.

Giambi is a lunkhead and stupid, not a clubhouse cancer who was distracting the team with talk of playing 1B since all the spots in the outfield were taken.

[Bulldogcakes]

For H-Box (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070725sox,1,310721.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)



Jon Garland: Because of Jose Contreras' declining velocity, Garland has become increasingly popular and might bring the most value outside of Konerko, according to one American League scout.

Garland has attracted interest recently from Seattle and the New York Yankees, and the Sox have scouted the entire Yankees' farm system thoroughly.

Garland's durability, his patented sinker and the fact he's under contract through 2008 make him attractive.

But the Sox would need at least one major league-ready starting pitcher in any Garland deal. The Sox nearly got four players from Houston for Garland last December, and teams appear unwilling to deal prospects.

I still don't think it'll happen, but its definitely being discussed.

The Damon stuff doesn't surprise me, either. He's really not a fit on this team when he's so fragile he plays the field once a week and Giambi coming back creates a roster problem. Can't have 2 DH's on the same day, or team.
He was also said to have come into camp badly out of shape, and then he's hurt all year. Sounds like a guy who doesn't take care of himself getting into the latter part of his career. I'd eat some of his money to deal him.

[Bulldogcakes]

Will Tigers bolster bullpen? (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1179789002305050.xml&coll=1)
While the New York Yankees are very much back in the wild-card race, baseball officials say the Yankees could still be willing to trade a reliever (either Scott Proctor or Kyle Farnsworth) ahead of next week's non-waiver trading deadline. The Tigers have had a scout watching the Yankee-Kansas City series this week, and while the Royals are trying to trade Octavio Dotel, a baseball official said Wednesday that the Tigers and Royals are unlikely to make a deal."

KYLE HAS EYE OF TIGERS (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07262007/sports/yankees/kyle_has_eye_of_tigers_yankees_george_king.htm)

In what only can be described as a strange twist, the Tigers have an interest in taking Kyle Farnsworth off the Yankees' hands.

This is what you call having a double agent. We can only HOPE to face him in a big spot in the playoffs.

[Doctor Z]

But... but I thought the Tigers liked winning.

[Kevin]

45 mil well spent on Igawa...

[Doctor Z]

Boy, Igawa looks lights-out tonight.

[Doctor Z]

Phil Hughes cannot get here quick enough...


I guess the division is back to 7.5.

[Kevin]

45mil well spent

Those guys in the minors sure did a great job of fixing him..

[cougarjake13]

45mil well spent

Those guys in the minors sure did a great job of fixing him..

its revenge for a few years ago wen you guys got the good matsui


this time the sawx got the good jap pitcher

[Dan 'Hampton]

its revenge for a few years ago wen you guys got the good matsui


this time the sawx got the good jap pitcher

shitchya.

[Doctor Z]

How many fucking innings are we gonna put the first 2 guys on, and then not score?

http://www.maniatvblog.com/cjchristy/uploaded_images/david_copperfield-735558.jpg

[cougarjake13]

How many fucking innings are we gonna put the first 2 guys on, and then not score?

http://www.maniatvblog.com/cjchristy/uploaded_images/david_copperfield-735558.jpg

how many are left in the game ???

[Doctor Z]

I'd say the Yankees stranded at least 2 or 3 runners tonight.

[RingWraith]

45 mil well spent on Igawa...

Sigh!!!!!!

[RingWraith]

How many fucking innings are we gonna put the first 2 guys on, and then not score?

http://www.maniatvblog.com/cjchristy/uploaded_images/david_copperfield-735558.jpg


The disappearing act strikes again. 0-12 with RISP, never good.

Let's hope the Yanks finish up that 'left-over' game, and continue on their winning ways.

[Kevin]

Its ok folks.. Its one game.. We expected to lose this one with Isucka on the mound... Thank God Phil Hughes is almost ready.. I can't take anymore of Ol pouty face..

[TheGameHHH]

New night, new city, new series to win...........

[Doctor Z]

I'm confused... I just got home, and there's a countdown to the second game in the corner of the screen. So I figured the suspended one is over. I go to MLB.com and it says the Yankees won 8-6... but then the box score ends after the top of the 8th.

Huh?

[Doctor Z]

Alright, I guess MLB.com was just slow. I guess we won 8-7, Mo made it really interesting. I hate to see that.

[HBox]

Good news. Igawa was sent to Scranton today. Hughes is still making one more rehab start on Sunday, but Igawa's spot will be skipped the next time around and by next weekend, barring any setbacks, Hughes will be the number 5. (Really number 4, but nobody tell Mussina.)

And according to Olney the Yanks have been shopping Igawa and actually have found some interest. That's the craziest thing I've hear all year.

[BeltOfScotch]

Good news. Igawa was sent to Scranton today. Hughes is still making one more rehab start on Sunday, but Igawa's spot will be skipped the next time around and by next weekend, barring any setbacks, Hughes will be the number 5. (Really number 4, but nobody tell Mussina.)

And according to Olney the Yanks have been shopping Igawa and actually have found some interest. That's the craziest thing I've hear all year.

Well, the posting fee is already paid, so what you're looking at is a 28 year old left handed pitcher that will make $4 million per season for the next four years. Adam Eaton, for comparison purposes, is 29 years old, right handed and he sucks (and everyone knew it). He got $24 million over three years. The Yankees won't get much for him, but I could see a team taking a flyer on Igawa.

[Doctor Z]

Well, Cleveland won, Boston's gonna win... and Pettitte's eating ass against a horrible team. This is totally homosexual.

[Doctor Z]

Abreu's failure to play the wall gives me douche chills.

[Doctor Z]

2nd & 3rd, 1 out, couldn't score again. This is getting bad.

[Bulldogcakes]

Guthrie is very tough. I think the plan will be to work the counts, get him out in the 7th and beat the shit out of their bullpen. Pettite will get another no decision if that happens, but he's been real shaky tonight so he cant be too disappointed.

[Doctor Z]

Well, we finally got a hit with runners in scoring position...

But again, 1st & 3rd, 1 out... Hit a fly ball and tie the game. But no, Phillips of course hits into a dp.

[Kevin]

Well, we finally got a hit with runners in scoring position...

But again, 1st & 3rd, 1 out... Hit a fly ball and tie the game. But no, Phillips of course hits into a dp.

Sure glad we let Carlos Pena go..

[Doctor Z]

I'll trade Proctor & Farnsworth for a bag of balls, and some pine tar. Thank you.

[Kevin]

I'll trade Proctor & Farnsworth for a bag of balls, and some pine tar. Thank you.

WHOA there




Your asking to much with the pine tar..

[TheGameHHH]

can we move damon for some serious bullpen help? are there any relievers out there?

[midwestjeff]

can we move damon for some serious bullpen help? are there any relievers out there?

After this weekend, Isringhausen will probably be available.

[RingWraith]

I'll trade Proctor & Farnsworth for a bag of balls, and some pine tar. Thank you.

I don't think most teams would give up there bag of balls and pine tar for those two.

Maybe a fair trade would be Farnsworth(less)/Proctor for some wristbands and sunflower seeds.

[RingWraith]

Well, we finally got a hit with runners in scoring position...

But again, 1st & 3rd, 1 out... Hit a fly ball and tie the game. But no, Phillips of course hits into a dp.

You know, everytime the Yanks hit into a Double Play, there's a new dent on the side of my TV. I can't stand them hitting into rally killing, FUCKING DOUBLE PLAYS!!!!!

There, got that out of my system.

[cougarjake13]

can we move damon for some serious bullpen help? are there any relievers out there?

After this weekend, Isringhausen will probably be available.

eric gagne will be as well , also octavio dotel

[Bulldogcakes]

Originally Posted by Doctor Z View Post
Well, we finally got a hit with runners in scoring position...

But again, 1st & 3rd, 1 out... Hit a fly ball and tie the game. But no, Phillips of course hits into a dp.

You know, everytime the Yanks hit into a Double Play, there's a new dent on the side of my TV. I can't stand them hitting into rally killing, FUCKING DOUBLE PLAYS!!!!!

When Z said "dp" he actually meant double penetration.

[Bulldogcakes]

Randy Johnson will have season-ending back surgery (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2952075)

It marks the second year in a row that the Big Unit will have an operation on his troublesome back. It will be the third back operation of his career.

"He tried to work his way through it," Melvin said, "but it just didn't get any better."

I know the Yanks didn't get a ton for him, and Ohlendorf isn't doing much in AAA, but this trade still looks good right now. The one negative about trading him was "He took the ball every 5th day" and gave you bullpen-saving innings. Well thats not even the case this year.

[Kevin]

eric gagne will be as well , also octavio dotel

One sounds familiar.. I think we had him once...

[Doctor Z]

We haven't had a legitimate 8th inning guy since Tom Gordon, and he turned out to be a bed-wetter in the playoffs.

[Kevin]

We haven't had a legitimate 8th inning guy since Tom Gordon, and he turned out to be a bed-wetter in the playoffs.

So what your saying is.. We have not had a legitimate 8th guy since Stanton and Nelson..

[sailor]

Alright, I guess MLB.com was just slow. I guess we won 8-7, Mo made it really interesting. I hate to see that.

good thing you didn't, huh?

[TheGameHHH]

eric gagne will be as well , also octavio dotel

gagne seems like he would help a lot, and isnt dotel throwing gas this year? the question becomes would KC or Texas take Damon? and would the yanks have to pay part of his contract?

[Doctor Z]

This story is getting old...

It's the same shit, all year long. This team surges offensively, looks unbeatable, and then completely shuts down all at once.

Anytime we get within striking distance, we fall right back down the hill. This time we were within 6.5 games, and it's sliding away all over again. And I'm afraid this time, it's too fucking late to afford that.

[Bulldogcakes]

This is disgusting.

Another 3 game skid.

[Doctor Z]

Against the Royals and Orioles no less.

And 499 is the worst thing to ever happen to A-Rod. I wonder if he'll get another hit for the rest of the season...

[HBox]

This is disgusting.

Another 3 game skid.

It's a 2 game skid. And it's not unheard of. For some reason the Yanks have had serious trouble with the Orioles this year.

[HBox]

Against the Royals and Orioles no less.

And 499 is the worst thing to ever happen to A-Rod. I wonder if he'll get another hit for the rest of the season...

Are you manic?

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's a 2 game skid. And it's not unheard of. For some reason the Yanks have had serious trouble with the Orioles this year.

Chronologically it's a 2 game skid

Statistically it's a 3 game skid.

You're both right.

But the loss hasn't happened yet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are you manic?

He just lost his chick, A-Rod's the only thing he's got right now.

[Bulldogcakes]

It's a 2 game skid. And it's not unheard of. For some reason the Yanks have had serious trouble with the Orioles this year.

The suspended game counts as a win from a month ago, and even for the 2 innings they played they gave up more than they scored.

3 game skid.

[Doctor Z]

He just lost his chick, A-Rod's the only thing he's got right now.

This is very true... but seriously. You can't deny it. A-Rod's looked like shit since hitting 499. He's clearly pressing, and it's ugly.

[Bulldogcakes]

What bugs me most is the way they cant hit this bullpen. Every one of these clowns has a 5+ ERA.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is very true...

Winning is for pussies, losing is for faggots, and masturbating is for Dr. Z?

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, Z, he's not even a part of the Chrysler campaign anymore... isn't it time to move on from a gimmick we started in last year's Yankee's thread?

[Kevin]

Winning is for pussies, losing is for faggots, and masturbating is for Dr. Z?

Relax Matty.. He is going through tough times.. Its not easy.

[Doctor Z]

It's never been a gimmick though. It's my board name, but I've never tried to come off as a hack Dr. Z board character.

The Z ain't goin' anywhere.





...and masturbating's for EVERYONE.

[Doctor Z]

Banging into a double-play in that spot was POSITIVELY DAMONIC!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's never been a gimmick though. It's my board name, but I've never tried to come off as a hack Dr. Z board character.

The Z ain't goin' anywhere.





...and masturbating's for EVERYONE.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2505/heneryhawk2ec5d8btr4.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Relax Matty.. He is going through tough times.. Its not easy.

Are you saying he's....


Inconsolable?

Z, I'm so sorry.

[Kevin]

Are you saying he's....


Inconsolable?

Z, I'm so sorry.

That was Gvacs gimmick.. Before he became a traitor..

[Tenbatsuzen]

I guess it's just amusing because Doctor Z was one of the biggest marketing disasters for Chrystler since the merger.

[Bulldogcakes]

Mariners interested in Igawa (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1185684412300680.xml&coll=1)

The Seattle Mariners, who entered play yesterday four games out in the AL West and the AL wild card, have been calling about every pitcher who might be available. And we mean every pitcher. Get this: They've actually contacted the Yankees to express interest in Kei Igawa. Remember, Igawa, who got sent to the minors Friday after his latest lousy start, is signed through 2011, and the Yankees' $26 million posting fee (the money they paid just so they could talk to him about that five-year, $20 million contract) is already paid -- i.e., a team acquiring him wouldn't have to pay any of it. Of course, that's exactly the reason the Yankees don't want to move Igawa -- they'd have paid him over $28 million for 11 starts. ...

The 28 mil, while steep, shouldn't stop them from making a the right deal. If they get back a few bullpen prospects and just one of them pans out, you'll save the 28 mil by having him on the cheap for the first 6-7 years of his career.

[Bulldogcakes]

Canseco says he has "stuff" on A-Rod (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2953302)

Canseco has another book due this fall and he promises some juicy info on Alex Rodriguez.

Canseco told WEEI-Radio in Boston on Friday that he has "other stuff" on the Yankees slugger, who he called a "hypocrite" who "was not all he appeared to be."

When asked if A-Rod had used steroids, Canseco told WEEI, "Wait and see."


Make of this what you will. He's trying to sell a book, and hasn't even been specific about what it is. If its stuff about his personal life (which I suspect it is), I don't care. He never played with the guy, but he's also been right in the past. If this is "conversations" like he said he had with guys like Clemens, he'll have to do better than that.

[TheGameHHH]

last night was the first game i missed this year, i threw a going away party in hoboken and though the game was on TV at the bar i just didnt have time to watch any of it. they absolutely must bounce back today with Wang on the mound, they cant afford to be going on a losing streak

[Doctor Z]

Well, in case you missed it, the Yankees mounted a huge 9th inning rally, scored 4 runs and still had no one out... Then Johnny hit into a positively Damonic double-play and brutally murdered the rally.

[sailor]

Canseco says he has "stuff" on A-Rod (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2953302)




Make of this what you will. He's trying to sell a book, and hasn't even been specific about what it is. If its stuff about his personal life (which I suspect it is), I don't care. He never played with the guy, but he's also been right in the past. If this is "conversations" like he said he had with guys like Clemens, he'll have to do better than that.

wait, so he's saying he had something on a-rod, but it didn't make the cut for his first book?? so raffy palmeiro and juan gonzalez were good enough for his book, but not a-rod? bullshit. or, is he going to say he had such faith in his book that he saved a-rod for the planned follow-up? more bullshit.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wiggington was just traded to the Astros, for 5+ERA Dan Wheeler. So it looks like Proctor will stay put, unless there's another deal out there. I doubt the Yanks ever really offered him if the D-Rays went for Wheeler. Proctor's better than him.

Also, Teixera to Atlanta is all but done. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/atlanta_braves/index.html)

Best deal left out there for the Yanks is either Damaso Marte from the Pirates (kills lefties) or Gagne. But Gagne will likely want to close, so that might not be a fit anyway.

[Doctor Z]

It's getting disturbing that the trade deadline is 48 hours away and the Yankees, who are in more desperate need of changes than they have been in recent memory, have done zero. They got Molina, which was a decent move, but it only helps us slightly every 5 days. WE NEED a fucking legit BULLPEN.

And a half-decent bat off the bench wouldn't hurt either.