New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[joeyballsack]

I hope this series goes 5 and Boston gets to face a tired pitching staff. No matter who moves on Boston wins.

[spoon]

Here's the main point for the retarded/HHH, the league will never truly grow outside of the big four (mets, sox, yanks, cubs). The only thing that continues to happen, is other teams lose their home base of fans to these teams bc it's just no fun to root for the Pirates, Rays and so many other teams. And hey, the others are always on and covered on every ESPN network to a point of saturation. So why is it the NFL can balance it and not MLB. Comments/opinions like they made during the broadcast. But hey, the only thing they bring to the table is knowledge of each other. Yeah! Push it!

[lleeder]

And yes, it's a rip on the fans having a myopic view of baseball, and having no knowledge of the overall league...like the TBS crew as well.

Heres a picture of Long Duck Dong to cheer you up Spoon.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z310/surfchick94/abcute/longduckdongandhannalol.jpg

[spoon]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lleeder]

Yeah! Push it!


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[Bulldogcakes]

Hughes throws the liveliest 92 MPH fastball you'll ever see. If you ignore the radar gun, you think the thing is going 10 MPH faster than it actually is. Mariano is the same way. Never breaks 96, but guys can't touch it and someone like Farnsworth throws 100 and it gets tattooed.

I don't know what happened, but when he started in Tampa towards the end of the season he looked like the pitcher he was before he got hurt in Texas when he threw the 7 inning no hitter. It all just seemed to click in again. Maybe he's just settling in and not overthrowing. But he looks great.

[TheGameHHH]

Here's the main point for the retarded/HHH, the league will never truly grow outside of the big four (mets, sox, yanks, cubs). The only thing that continues to happen, is other teams lose their home base of fans to these teams bc it's just no fun to root for the Pirates, Rays and so many other teams. And hey, the others are always on and covered on every ESPN network to a point of saturation. So why is it the NFL can balance it and not MLB. Comments/opinions like they made during the broadcast. But hey, the only thing they bring to the table is knowledge of each other. Yeah! Push it!

look you can change your "main" point all you want, what you just said here I have to admit I agree with. All im saying is what you said before about anybody outside of NY not picking Colorado/Arizona was wrong and a flat out stupid statement. i chose to call you out on it. Out of the four years i've known you on this board i dont think ive ever heard you say, 'oh shit youre right, im wrong, my bad' not just to me, to anybody. the second somebody actually does prove you wrong you just shift your statement to a more well thought out and accuarte point. its almost as if you have self confidence issues and you cant admit youre wrong. i agree with what youre saying about over-saturation, but the point is you were wrong before.

[Snoogans]

aight bitches, enough with the fuckin semantics. Game, I'm pretty sure you know he didnt think EVERY SINGLE PERSON in america outside those cities thought that. So calm the fuck down, you sound like bitches

[Bulldogcakes]

Nice play Trot.

What a hack.

[lleeder]

for spoon: ROBBY CANO DONTCHA KNOW!!!!!!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

aight bitches, enough with the fuckin semantics. Game, I'm pretty sure you know he didnt think EVERY SINGLE PERSON in america outside those cities thought that. So calm the fuck down, you sound like bitches

dude, i really dont see a problem having a discussion with him about this. check my posts, i feel like im pretty calm. i dont believe ive thrown the term assfuck, retard or cunt around yet. its a message board, the point of it is to talk and have discussions. i dont see any of this as a big deal.

[Snoogans]

the point was your arguement was dumb because you were taking something completely literal when you KNEW it wasnt, and just felt like arguing cause you dont like each other. Thats what i meant by you sound like bitches

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why the fuck is Joba in. Why the fuck is Joba in.

[Snoogans]

why not leave in hughes, he is a fuckin starter and was awesome

[Tenbatsuzen]

why not leave in hughes, he is a fuckin starter and was awesome

My only thought is to save him fresh for game 5. But why is Joba in? Tomorrow is still an elimination game and you have a 5-run lead. THIS is where Viz and Ohlendorf and others should be pitching.

[lleeder]

"Phil-in win and Joba save Joe's Job." Possible Post Headline?:thumbup:

[Snoogans]

Please let mussina pitch at some point

[Bulldogcakes]

There goes Joba. Choking again in a big spot.

This guy sucks.

[lleeder]

My only thought is to save him fresh for game 5. But why is Joba in? Tomorrow is still an elimination game and you have a 5-run lead. THIS is where Viz and Ohlendorf and others should be pitching.

Have you seen those guys lately? They suck balls. Its postseason and Joe's joba is on the line. So he's going down with the best.

[sailor]

"and joba rules indeed" was horrific.

[TheGameHHH]

the point was your arguement was dumb because you were taking something completely literal when you KNEW it wasnt, and just felt like arguing cause you dont like each other. Thats what i meant by you sound like bitches

right......obviously i know he doesnt mean EVERY single person, but what i did was show him two well respected sportswriters that i knew off the top of my head that went against his point. im sure there are many others. so basically my point was why make that statement when you know it to be false. and how can you not like somebody via a messageboard? its not like we're gonna come to computer blows over this. i have zero problems with the kid, its not about liking or disliking somebody.

[lleeder]

"and joba rules indeed" was terrific.

Not really but its so easily changed:lol:

[Snoogans]

There goes Joba. Choking again in a big spot.

This guy sucks.

is this supposed to be some bug excuse? ENOUGH ABOUT THE GODDAMN BUGS, everyone played in it and it would prob be worse for a hitter tryin to see something moving that fast

[TheGameHHH]

My only thought is to save him fresh for game 5. But why is Joba in? Tomorrow is still an elimination game and you have a 5-run lead. THIS is where Viz and Ohlendorf and others should be pitching.

I feel like if that happened and Viz went in and loaded the bases somebody on this board would have been bitching, 'why the fuck isnt Joba in to close the door?' its kind of a lose/lose

[Bulldogcakes]

"Phil-in win and Joba save Joe's Job." Possible Post Headline?:thumbup:

How about "Baby Bombers Scalp the Tribe"

[lleeder]

is this supposed to be some bug excuse? ENOUGH ABOUT THE GODDAMN BUGS, everyone played in it and it would prob be worse for a hitter tryin to see something moving that fast

Thats true a white ball looks just like a gnat. :blink:

[Bulldogcakes]

is this supposed to be some bug excuse? ENOUGH ABOUT THE GODDAMN BUGS, everyone played in it and it would prob be worse for a hitter tryin to see something moving that fast

Actually I'm sick of the whole bugs thing too. I just couldn't resist.

[lleeder]

How about "Baby Bombers Scalp the Tribe"

How about "Spoon Gets Bent Over Indians Loss"?

[Snoogans]

Thats true a white ball looks just like a gnat. :blink:

you obviously never tried. You look for the spin on the ball to tell what pitch it is. Its alot harder to see that through bugs what spin is on a ball then for a pitcher to simply see where a glove is when the glove is big and not moving

[Tenbatsuzen]

I feel like if that happened and Viz went in and loaded the bases somebody on this board would have been bitching, 'why the fuck isnt Joba in to close the door?' its kind of a lose/lose

Even if Viz gave up a grand slam, the Yankees still lead. Joba should not have been in there and he should not be coming out for the 8th.

[Bulldogcakes]

Edit-Damn!

[Snoogans]

damn, you just been powned

[Bulldogcakes]

How about "Spoon Gets Bent Over By an American Indian Named Joba"?

How about that?

[lleeder]

you obviously never tried. You look for the spin on the ball to tell what pitch it is. Its alot harder to see that through bugs what spin is on a ball then for a pitcher to simply see where a glove is when the glove is big and not moving

I wasn't being literal I was just making a silly comment. Sorry it got you salty.

[Snoogans]

not salty, i just thought you were being serious about it not affecting hitters as much

[Snoogans]

Also, putting on so much bug spray is what fucked Joba. The bugs landed on him, died, and thats why they were stuck all over and didnt fly away. Not cause he was tasty

[TheGameHHH]

ladies calm down, you sound like a bunch of bitches

[Snoogans]

stop tryin to pull me into a fight fag. I just didnt get his sarcasm. wow what a douche

[lleeder]

not salty, i just thought you were being serious about it not affecting hitters as much

I think it definately affected the hitters but I also think it affected Joba more than the other pitchers. Everyone knows that latinos are used to bugs flying around them. For us whites its a whole new experience. :innocent:

[TheGameHHH]

Even if Viz gave up a grand slam, the Yankees still lead. Joba should not have been in there and he should not be coming out for the 8th.

would u rather that grand slam happened or Joba closing the door? look at how shitty our relief has been this year. remember its the playoffs, the joba rules are out the door except for the fact that if he gets up he's comming in. its lose or go home, you gotta go in for the kill if you have the opportunity, not let the indians hang around by giving the other shitty relievers the ball.

[Bulldogcakes]

Also, putting on so much bug spray is what fucked Joba. The bugs landed on him, died, and thats why they were stuck all over and didnt fly away. Not cause he was tasty

Actually the Indians switched the label on the can. Instead of bug spray, they were spraying him with 'liquid honey'.

[TheGameHHH]

stop tryin to pull me into a fight fag. I just didnt get his sarcasm. wow what a douche

see what i did there? that was a joke. obviously you didnt get my sarcasm as well.

[Snoogans]

that would kick ass. It might make me a cleveland fan if thats true

[lleeder]

see what i did there? that was a joke. obviously you didnt get my sarcasm as well.

You should have used winky eye to hammer the point home :wink:

[Snoogans]

it also hurts that i dont respect any of your sports opinions, even if you do happen to be right, i just cant respect what you say

[TheGameHHH]

You should have used winky eye to hammer the point home :wink:

fuck, youre totally right. remind me to do that from now on so I dont continue to hurt Snoogans fragile little feelings. :wink:

[BoondockSaint]

would u rather that grand slam happened or Joba closing the door? look at how shitty our relief has been this year. remember its the playoffs, the joba rules are out the door except for the fact that if he gets up he's comming in. its lose or go home, you gotta go in for the kill if you have the opportunity, not let the indians hang around by giving the other shitty relievers the ball.

Exactly. You can't worry about tomorrow. You may not even need him tomorrow.

[Snoogans]

fuck, youre totally right. remind me to do that from now on so I dont continue to hurt Snoogans fragile little feelings. :wink:

get over yourself, you are far from hurting my feelings. You have been more like my bugs around the pitchers mound, just an annoyance that any real pitcher coulda worked through

[TheGameHHH]

get over yourself, you are far from hurting my feelings. You have been more like my bugs around the pitchers mound, just an annoyance that any real pitcher coulda worked through

to quote one of my favorite posters ENOUGH ABOUT THE GOD DAMN BUGS

[lleeder]

10 bucks says Lofton forgot there were 2 outs.

[Snoogans]

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Snoogans]

it almost worked

[scottinnj]

Looks Like I'll Have to wait one more day for the Yankees to lose.

[Kevin]

Looks Like I'll Have to wait one more day for the Yankees to lose.

Try next April.

[Snoogans]

Looks Like I'll Have to wait one more day for the Yankees to lose.

seriously, arent you a phillies fan? How the fuck are you gonna come in here and say anything

[scottinnj]

I can because I am a Phillies fan, and I also hope the Yanks eat it this series.

Rockies vs Red Sox is what I say.

[Snoogans]

yea but you are like a boxer who came in 3rd in a tourney tellin the guy who came in 2nd you will kick his ass

[lleeder]

seriously, arent you a phillies fan? How the fuck are you gonna come in here and say anything

I agree eat your cheesesteak and wait for the eagles to lose again.

[scottinnj]

Eagles have a Bi.

I got nowhere else to go!

[scottinnj]

yea but you are like a boxer who came in 3rd in a tourney tellin the guy who came in 2nd you will kick his ass

At least my team isn't made up of mercenary players in it for the money alone, then shit all over their fans.

You Yankees fans really amaze me. You root for a team that doesn't give a shit about any of you. Just so long as the checks don't bounce, and even then they play like shit.

[Snoogans]

Eagles have a Bi.

I got nowhere else to go!

the eagles have 53 Bi's

[Snoogans]

At least my team isn't made up of mercenary players in it for the money alone, then shit all over their fans.

You Yankees fans really amaze me. You root for a team that doesn't give a shit about any of you. Just so long as the checks don't bounce, and even then they play like shit.

im a redsox fan, dingleberry

[Bulldogcakes]

As much as I hate to utter these words Tenbats is right. Hughes was at 63 pitches, there was no need to pull him out. Joba threw 38 pitches. So he's pretty much shot for tomorrow. Maybe you can get one inning, maybe. But thats pushing it. You'll need Wang to go deep. If he doesn't, Hughes is out, Joba is out. Basically, if Wang doesn't have it, were totally fucked. Mussina will be our backup plan. Farnsworth and Viz are our 7th and 8th inning guys.

Bad move by Joe, as usual.

[scottinnj]

Ewww, AL w/the designated hitter rule

Your pitchers are pussies.

[scottinnj]

the eagles have 53 Bi's

True. I can't argue that.

[Snoogans]

Ewww, AL w/the designated hitter rule

Your pitchers are pussies.

yea cause they made the rule. Go away, moron. The reason, as a Sox fan, that i can post in here is cause i actually like baseball, and so i comment on how things are. I dont just hate cause im bitter that my entire city fails in the clutch in EVERYTHING it does

[Kevin]

At least my team isn't made up of mercenary players in it for the money alone, then shit all over their fans.

You Yankees fans really amaze me. You root for a team that doesn't give a shit about any of you. Just so long as the checks don't bounce, and even then they play like shit.

Seriously.. IS A PHILLY FAN TALKING SHIT??...


REALLY???



REALLY??? You just took the momentum of being the recipient of the biggest collapse in sports history and responded by getting swept... WHAT OTHER CITY BUT PHILLY DOES THAT?? Seriously.. Philly players wrote the book in giving up and not trying..


MACNABB SUPERBOWL ANYBODY???

DRY HEAVE DRY HEAVE!!!

[lleeder]

As much as I hate to utter these words Tenbats is right.
Joba threw 38 pitches. So he's pretty much shot for tomorrow. Maybe you can get one inning, maybe. But thats pushing it. You'll need Wang to go deep. If he doesn't, Hughes is out, Joba is out. Basically, if Wang doesn't have it, were totally fucked.

Bad move by Joe, as usual.

Thats why we have the best relief pitcher available backing him up. Mussina...hey where are you going? It might work..it worked once...I guess we're fucked. :wink:

[TheGameHHH]

As much as I hate to utter these words Tenbats is right.
Joba threw 38 pitches. So he's pretty much shot for tomorrow. Maybe you can get one inning, maybe. But thats pushing it. You'll need Wang to go deep. If he doesn't, Hughes is out, Joba is out. Basically, if Wang doesn't have it, were totally fucked.

Bad move by Joe, as usual.

no, it wasnt a bad move by Joe. if he brought someone like Farnsworth in and he got lit up you would have called for Joe's head. He made the correct call here and you're still bashing him. Here's what Abraham said as well: "Joba is probably burned out out for tomorrow now. But Torre almost had no choice. Bringing in Farnsworth or Veras or Vizcaino is inviting disaster."

[Snoogans]

pretty please let mussina pitch

[Snoogans]

no, it wasnt a bad move by Joe. if he brought someone like Farnsworth in and he got lit up you would have called for Joe's head. He made the correct call here and you're still bashing him. Here's what Abraham said as well: "Joba is probably burned out out for tomorrow now. But Torre almost had no choice. Bringing in Farnsworth or Veras or Vizcaino is inviting disaster."

no, i think the point was torre being torre and wasting the pen. Hughes is a starter and was awesome, LEAVE HIM IN

[Marc with a c]

joebownd!!!!

[lleeder]

pretty please let mussina pitch

I like how he looks like hes gonna shit when pitching out of the stretch.

[Snoogans]

I like how he looks like hes gonna shit when pitching out of the stretch.

mostly I just like how he gives up 8 runs within 2 innings

[TheGameHHH]

no, i think the point was torre being torre and wasting the pen. Hughes is a starter and was awesome, LEAVE HIM IN

he said tenbats was right. tenbats point was why is joba pitching, this was a spot where another reliever should have been pitching. it was never about leaving hughes in or not

[Snoogans]

wait. You cant leave hughes in so he can pitch soon, but now you are gonna work your BEST STARTER

[Sinestro]

just great! Now I got to wait another day till the Yankee stuff goes on sale.:furious:

[Kevin]

he said tenbats was right. tenbats point was why is joba pitching, this was a spot where another reliever should have been pitching. it was never about leaving hughes in or not

YES IT IS! Hughes was DOMINANT.. LEAVE HIM IN. He was not being touched.. 60 FUCKING PITCHES..

[Bulldogcakes]

no, it wasnt a bad move by Joe. if he brought someone like Farnsworth in and he got lit up you would have called for Joe's head. He made the correct call here and you're still bashing him. Here's what Abraham said as well: "Joba is probably burned out out for tomorrow now. But Torre almost had no choice. Bringing in Farnsworth or Veras or Vizcaino is inviting disaster."

First of all, re read my post. I edited it and added what I thought he should do.

I think he should have left Hughes in there for another inning. He was at 63 pitches, there was no reason he couldn't give you one more. Especially when you consider he wont be used again for a week even if he gets the third slot in the next round.
Second, if you cant bring in Viz, Farnsworth or Veras in an 8-3 game, why are they even on the roster? You could have brought one of them in and warmed up Joba behind them if they got in trouble. But Joe doesn't do that, and its part of his hideous use of the bullpen. He doesn't believe in backing guys up.

[TheGameHHH]

YES IT IS! Hughes was DOMINANT.. LEAVE HIM IN. He was not being touched.. 60 FUCKING PITCHES..

dude.....read. im not arguing hughes should have been taken out. im arguing for the use of Joba over other relievers.

[Snoogans]

hahaha. So you cant leave hughes in, but you can let your best 2 guys get used when you have another must win tomorrow

[Snoogans]

and with day off between 4 and 5 and after the series, even if hughes was gonna pitch game 1 if you advance it would be 4 days rest

[Tenbatsuzen]

Exactly. You can't worry about tomorrow. You may not even need him tomorrow.

WE DIDN'T NEED HIM TONIGHT!

Christ almighty, we had a bunch of arms ready to go, with a five run lead.

If Joba pitched one inning tonight, I wouldn't be so insanely pissed, but they left him in for TWO FUCKING INNINGS WITH A FIVE RUN LEAD AND BLEW HIM OUT FOR TOMORROW.

THIS is why Joe Torre shouldn't have a job. Jesus Christ. I am fucking PISSED.

[Bulldogcakes]

YES! I get to use my game 4 tickets after all! WOOO-HOOOOO!!!!!


I still have that extra M17 seat. If anyone wants it, PM me.

[Bulldogcakes]

WE DIDN'T NEED HIM TONIGHT!

Christ almighty, we had a bunch of arms ready to go, with a five run lead.

If Joba pitched one inning tonight, I wouldn't be so insanely pissed, but they left him in for TWO FUCKING INNINGS WITH A FIVE RUN LEAD AND BLEW HIM OUT FOR TOMORROW.

THIS is why Joe Torre shouldn't have a job. Jesus Christ. I am fucking PISSED.

He's right

[lleeder]

Hughes pitched on Thursday in relief. Maybe they didn't want to push him too far tonight. Its only 2 days later and he is a starter.

[TheGameHHH]

First of all, re read my post. I edited it and added what I thought he should do.

I think he should have left Hughes in there for another inning. He was at 63 pitches, there was no reason he couldn't give you one more. Especially when you consider he wont be used again for a week even if he gets the third slot in the next round.
Second, if you cant bring in Viz, Farnsworth or Veras in an 8-3 game, why are they even on the roster? You could have brought one of them in and warmed up Joba behind them if they got in trouble. But Joe doesn't do that, and its part of his hideous use of the bullpen. He doesn't believe in backing guys up.

would i have left hughes in? absolutely.......so i agree with you there. those guys are on the roster because theyre literally the best of the worst. you cant argue that theyre shitty relievers. and we obviously cant debate it because its a non-issue but you know if Joe brought one of those guys in and they got lit up you would have bitched Joe out. so basically he couldnt use those guys, thus like Abraham said he basically had no choice if he was gonna go to the pen.

[Snoogans]

tenbats is absolutely right. Its so pointless, it wasnt a tight game where you NEEDED to shut them down right now. And 63 pitches, shit i woulda let hughes go 2 more innings if he kept gettin outs, you wont use him for at least 4 or 5 days anyway

awful work of the bullpen tonight by torre, i think he just wants to be gone

[Tenbatsuzen]

If I was managing the Yankees tonight, I would have done the following things:

1) If you're keeping Phil fresh for game 5 if needed, I can understand pulling him out. But you had a SLEW of other relievers that could have pitched one inning with a five run lead.

YOU CAN'T HIT A FIVE RUN HOME RUN. Even if one of the relievers shit the bed, you could have brought in Joba to stop the bleeding. THERE'S NO FUCKING REASON WHY JOBA SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN TO PITCH BASES EMPTY WITH A FIVE RUN LEAD.

AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE PITCHED TWO INNINGS.

If you pulled hughes for the seventh, have Viz or Farns pitch the seventh and then Joba 8, Mariano 9. That way, you have them available for tomorrow.

But no, Joe, in his infinite wisdom, thought that the Yankees were going to win the series tonight and had Joba go two innings.

THEY STILL HAVE TWO MORE ELIMINATION GAMES TO GO. THERE IS NO REASON JOBA SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE.

[Snoogans]

you coulda got through this game without even making mo loosen up and go. I know he is ok for tomorrow, but still, you coulda had joba and mo available for 2 innings each tomorrow and then off day after that so they coulda gone at least 1 in game 5. AWFUL

[Snoogans]

you arent keeping hughes fresh for 5. Why would you bump petitte? Its wang tomorrow and then your best guy in game 5. Hughes is lined up for next series first game at best. EVERY part of this was bad

[Kevin]

I just thought of something.. If we need Joba tommorow with PAUL BYRD going for them.. Then we deserve to lose.. So fuck it.

[midwestjeff]

Quick question. Why is this Joba guy so fragile?

[TheGameHHH]

If I was managing the Yankees tonight, I would have done the following things:

1) If you're keeping Phil fresh for game 5 if needed, I can understand pulling him out. But you had a SLEW of other relievers that could have pitched one inning with a five run lead.

YOU CAN'T HIT A FIVE RUN HOME RUN. Even if one of the relievers shit the bed, you could have brought in Joba to stop the bleeding. THERE'S NO FUCKING REASON WHY JOBA SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN TO PITCH BASES EMPTY WITH A FIVE RUN LEAD.

AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE PITCHED TWO INNINGS.

If you pulled hughes for the seventh, have Viz or Farns pitch the seventh and then Joba 8, Mariano 9. That way, you have them available for tomorrow.

But no, Joe, in his infinite wisdom, thought that the Yankees were going to win the series tonight and had Joba go two innings.

THEY STILL HAVE TWO MORE ELIMINATION GAMES TO GO. THERE IS NO REASON JOBA SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE.

alright, lets say our relievers did shit the bed (which we can all agree was a possibilty). so they hit a grand slam and the yanks escape the inning with the one run lead. Joba let up a run in the 8th, thats 5 runs and now we're tied.

[Snoogans]

he isnt, but even a starter would have a tough time pitching the day after throwing 40 tough pitches

[TheGameHHH]

I just thought of something.. If we need Joba tommorow with PAUL BYRD going for them.. Then we deserve to lose.. So fuck it.

true

[Snoogans]

if i was yankee manager, i leave hughes in for the 7th. If he breezes through it i bring him out for the 8th and i have viz already loose. Then if trouble starts, get in viz and only then get joba up to finish the 8th. If you get through 8 with hughes then you can go anybody to start the 9th cause mo would be ready in 5 seconds

[Bulldogcakes]

alright, lets say our relievers did shit the bed (which we can all agree was a possibilty). so they hit a grand slam and the yanks escape the inning with the one run lead. Joba let up a run in the 8th, thats 5 runs and now we're tied.

That was his second inning of work. He got the first five outs with ease, and then struggled after that. Your argument still doesn't hold up.

[midwestjeff]

he isnt, but even a starter would have a tough time pitching the day after throwing 40 tough pitches

Gotcha, but the broadcasters mentioned "Joba Rules". Is he coming off of an injury?

Sorry, I'll stop with the inane questions now.

[Snoogans]

na, when he first came up they had rules for how much torre could use him, cause they know how much torre woulda killed him

[TheGameHHH]

That was his second inning of work. He got the first five outs with ease, and then struggled after that. Your argument still doesn't hold up.

thats not true, lets say there was nobody out or only 1 out when the grand slam was hit. joba came in to mop up the rest of the 7th.

[Snoogans]

why the fuck do i know so much about your guys team

[Snoogans]

thats not true, lets say there was nobody out or only 1 out when the grand slam was hit. joba came in to mop up the rest of the 7th.

lets say the chances of a grand slam are so remote this is retarded

[Bulldogcakes]

Gotcha, but the broadcasters mentioned "Joba Rules". Is he coming off of an injury?

Sorry, I'll stop with the inane questions now.

No. Its because Torre has killed every reliever they've given him outside of Mariano. So they tied his hands to keep him from ruining the jewel of their farm system. Joba is more important to the Yankee organization than Torre is.

[Kevin]

Gotcha, but the broadcasters mentioned "Joba Rules". Is he coming off of an injury?

The Yankees upper management.. Set up rules specifically prohibiting a move like tonight.. For every inning He went in the reg season he would get a day off.. So if he went 2 inns he cant pitch for 2 days.. It was designed to not allow Torre ruin his career by over using him like proctor or Vizcianco or the other countless RP..

[Tenbatsuzen]

if i was yankee manager, i leave hughes in for the 7th. If he breezes through it i bring him out for the 8th and i have viz already loose. Then if trouble starts, get in viz and only then get joba up to finish the 8th. If you get through 8 with hughes then you can go anybody to start the 9th cause mo would be ready in 5 seconds

This. I'm not even sure why I was mumbling about keeping Phil fresh considering we have Mussina in pen if needed.

[Snoogans]

here is the deal guys. You use pitchers when you need them. You didnt need them, so you shouldnt have done it. How bout this, assuming a GS woulda came, you dont have to let the reliever or hughes stay in for all those hitters. But when you dont have to worry, let the other guys try to steal you some outs. Then go to the house when you need to, if you ever do

[TheGameHHH]

lets say the chances of a grand slam are so remote this is retarded

lets say you stop being a dirty red sox fan. do u have such a hard on for this team that you can't contribute to the red sox thread? and trust me, with the yanks shitty bullpen 4 runs is not remote.

[Tenbatsuzen]

thats not true, lets say there was nobody out or only 1 out when the grand slam was hit. joba came in to mop up the rest of the 7th.

If there's a grand slam that's hit, the bases are clear again.

We're dealing in semantics, Game. Farnsworth should have been in there with a very tight leash.

Even if Joba pitched one inning tonight I wouldn't be as insanely pissed as I am right now.

And why the fuck is TooCute's ex boufriend on my TV?

[Snoogans]

lets say you stop being a dirty red sox fan. do u have such a hard on for this team that you can't contribute to the red sox thread? and trust me, with the yanks shitty bullpen 4 runs is not remote.

it is that it would happen so fast you couldnt get someone else in before it did. That was the whole point. YOU DIDNT NEED TO.

and ive contributed plenty, i know way more about your team then you fuckin do. And what would i say in the sox thread, keep doing the same thing, enjoy the rest?

dont get mad cause a sox fan just powned half your fans, just repect that im a real baseball fan and know that you are a front runner

[Tenbatsuzen]

It shoulda been Hughes 7, Farnsworth on a tight leash 8, and if Farns is pitching well, either him or Mo 9.

Goddamn it. HE ONLY THREW 60 FUCKING PITCHES?!?!?!? AAAAAAGH

[TheGameHHH]

If there's a grand slam that's hit, the bases are clear again.

We're dealing in semantics, Game. Farnsworth should have been in there with a very tight leash.

Even if Joba pitched one inning tonight I wouldn't be as insanely pissed as I am right now.

And why the fuck is TooCute's ex boufriend on my TV?

i agree with all of you that Joe should not have taken Hughes out. what im trying to say was if it was my choice on who to go with in the bullpen I would have gone with Joba. not any of the other garbage arms that were in the pen.

[Snoogans]

and remember, WANG 4, PETITTE 5, no hughes for almost a week no matter what. Let him go 80 pitches

[Snoogans]

i agree with all of you that Joe should not have taken Hughes out. what im trying to say was if it was my choice on who to go with in the bullpen I would have gone with Joba. not any of the other garbage arms that were in the pen.

5 run lead you dont go to jaba. You try to steal outs with junk. if 2 guys get on, joba gets loose, if the 3rd guy is on, get him in, you are still up 5

[TheGameHHH]

it is that it would happen so fast you couldnt get someone else in before it did. That was the whole point. YOU DIDNT NEED TO.

and ive contributed plenty, i know way more about your team then you fuckin do. And what would i say in the sox thread, keep doing the same thing, enjoy the rest?

dont get mad cause a sox fan just powned half your fans, just repect that im a real baseball fan and know that you are a front runner

how exactly do you know more about the yankees then i do? im not gonna battle with you on this, im just curious as to why you'd make that statement. and can we all stop with the whole pwned thing? its gotta be the gayest phrase i've ever heard. i guess it doesnt really surprise that a sox fan likes to use it then.

[Snoogans]

because everyone is telling you you are wrong, and you have no idea how your team should have done it.

[TheGameHHH]

5 run lead you dont go to jaba. You try to steal outs with junk. if 2 guys get on, joba gets loose, if the 3rd guy is on, get him in, you are still up 5

ok, and if that happens you realize youre in the same position as you ended up in. if 3 guys get on and theres still nobody out, and assuming we're still in the 7th, then Joba still pitches 2 innings.

[Tenbatsuzen]

5 run lead you dont go to jaba. You try to steal outs with junk. if 2 guys get on, joba gets loose, if the 3rd guy is on, get him in, you are still up 5

Snoogans gets it. Mariano needs regular work, so I don't mind him being in the 9th. But you had Joba in for what was six-out mop up duty.

AND HE'S PITCHED FOUR FUCKING INNINGS IN THREE DAYS

[Tenbatsuzen]

ok, and if that happens you realize youre in the same position as you ended up in. if 3 guys get on and theres still nobody out, and assuming we're still in the 7th, then Joba still pitches 2 innings.

YOU DON'T GET IT! IN THAT SITUATION JOBA IS NEEDED! JOBA CAME INTO THE GAME *NOT BEING NEEDED*

[Snoogans]

ok, and if that happens you realize youre in the same position as you ended up in. if 3 guys get on and theres still nobody out, and assuming we're still in the 7th, then Joba still pitches 2 innings.

yea but then he needed to. We are sayin it was dumb to use him if you didnt. If you did then you had to win, thats fine.

[Snoogans]

look at the group who have come together to tell you your wrong. That wouldnt happen if you werent wrong

[TheGameHHH]

look at the group who have come together to tell you your wrong. That wouldnt happen if you werent wrong

it is kinda like odd planets aligning..........fine, im wrong.

[joeyballsack]

There is no tomorrow in the Yankees position right now though.

Torre has to throw his most dependable pitchers out there or they are going home for the season. Would you trust any of the other relievers out there ?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look, someone had a point that we're facing Paul Byrd tomorrow and logistically, that means that we shouldn't need Joba.

But I don't want it to get to that point. The situation is, quite simply, is that the Yankees need to win two more games and *wasted* Joba - with 38 pitches, meaing that he's pitched almost 70 pitches in the last 3 days - for no reason.

I can understand you need to build up Joba's confidence, so throw him one inning. But there was no reason that Hughes, Farnsworth, or Viz pitches 7. It's absolutely, positively retarded. And if the Yankees have a one-run lead going into the eighth and Joe has no choice but to use Mariano for two innings, remember this fucking post.

[Snoogans]

There is no tomorrow in the Yankees position right now though.

Torre has to throw his most dependable pitchers out there or they are going home for the season. Would you trust any of the other relievers out there ?

not when you cant have the game tied. If its a 3 run game, totally different story. But you are up 5, you easily coulda had those guys ready to go, just didnt have to waste them. AND HUGHES WAS KILLING PEOPLE

[TheGameHHH]

There is no tomorrow in the Yankees position right now though.

Torre has to throw his most dependable pitchers out there or they are going home for the season. Would you trust any of the other relievers out there ?

for everybody else in this thread but me, yes they do trust other relievers.

[Snoogans]

its not about that. I was sayin HUGHES. Who was showing you he wasnt gonna give up 5 runs. THOSE GUYS CAN BE READY TO GO. but you dont have to use them THAT MUCH.

[Tenbatsuzen]

There is no tomorrow in the Yankees position right now though.

Torre has to throw his most dependable pitchers out there or they are going home for the season. Would you trust any of the other relievers out there ?

I'd trust Farnsworth or Viz with a five-run lead with six outs to Mariano than I would with no Joba and a one-run lead tomorrow.

Joe did absolutely no forward thinking or forward strategizing for tommorrow, and because of this, we're looking at the potential of two innings of Mo tomorrow, which is a REALLY bad idea.

[Snoogans]

i cant keep going, its the same shit over and over and im arguing with someone who is such a front runner he probably woulda rooted for russia in 1980 cause they had the best chance to win

[TheGameHHH]

wait, what happened? i thought we were all just having fun

[Snoogans]

oh and have fun tomorrow when viz or farnsworth start the 8th if you have a lead cause Joba isnt available

[BoondockSaint]

I wonder if they've relaxed the Joba rules for they playoffs and he'll be available tomorrow for an inning.

[Snoogans]

they called them all off like a week or so ago, so torre can use him, but you really would be pushin it

[BoondockSaint]

they called them all off like a week or so ago, so torre can use him, but you really would be pushin it


Ok, so say he can go an inning tomorrow. Mariano can go two. I assume they are going to pitch Wang, so you are looking for 6 from him. Or if he goes 5 then you get one out of Vizcaino.

[Snoogans]

maybe, but joba will be mighty sore. But shit, its torre, You might see wang for 5, then joba 6 7 mariano 8 9

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ok, so say he can go an inning tomorrow. Mariano can go two. I assume they are going to pitch Wang, so you are looking for 6 from him. Or if he goes 5 then you get one out of Vizcaino.

Joba has pitched about 70 pitches in the last three days. He is not available tomorrow. And Mariano throwing 2 is pushing it.

[spoon]

no, it wasnt a bad move by Joe. if he brought someone like Farnsworth in and he got lit up you would have called for Joe's head. He made the correct call here and you're still bashing him. Here's what Abraham said as well: "Joba is probably burned out out for tomorrow now. But Torre almost had no choice. Bringing in Farnsworth or Veras or Vizcaino is inviting disaster."

Just got done watching my Avs bounce back and Stastny continues to make my prediction of him being the first guy not named Sakic to lead the Colorado Avalanche in points for a season. Nice 6-2 win and Stastny was in on 5 of the goals (1G, 4A)!

Oh yah, yankee thread. This is going to hurt especially since he likes orange juice/is a gay, but HHH is right. You go home if you don't win this game. Hence you pull out all the stops today and move on to the next night and make adjustments from there.

I'm sure most real baseball fans would agree, especially yank fans here, this 162 game season being ended for some teams by a best of five playoff series is fucking stupid. It should be a best of seven for all series.

Oh and H, you have aids. Why did you give Skell that cold!?

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[Snoogans]

you do pull out the stops. If you need to go to joba for 2, you do it. You just didnt need to. Not that soon

[TheGameHHH]

Just got done watching my Avs bounce back and Stastny continues to make my prediction of him being the first guy not named Sakic to lead the Colorado Avalanche in points for a season. Nice 6-2 win and Stastny was in on 5 of the goals (1G, 4A)!

Oh yah, yankee thread. This is going to hurt especially since he likes orange juice/is a gay, but HHH is right. You go home if you don't win this game. Hence you pull out all the stops today and move on to the next night and make adjustments from there.

I'm sure most real baseball fans would agree, especially yank fans here, this 162 game season being ended for some teams by a best of five playoff series is fucking stupid. It should be a best of seven for all series.

Oh and H, you have aids. Why did you give Skell that cold!?

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i......i dont know what to say, im speechless. youve actually made my night (assuming you arent joking and you really think im wrong). but we really shouldnt disagree with snoogans, he's a baseball genius and we should all bow down to his endless knowledge. he totally pwns us, whatever that means. snoogs im just kidding by the way, please dont blow up

[Doctor Z]

Umm...

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/matchup.jpg

...huh?

[spoon]

YES! I get to use my game 4 tickets after all! WOOO-HOOOOO!!!!!


I still have that extra M17 seat. If anyone wants it, PM me.

If you take me I promise to start shit in section M17 with some people who never heard of Dave Righetti, Ron Guidry or Steve Sax.

[Snoogans]

i......i dont know what to say, im speechless. youve actually made my night (assuming you arent joking and you really think im wrong). but we really shouldnt disagree with snoogans, he's a baseball genius and we should all bow down to his endless knowledge. he totally pwns us, whatever that means. snoogs im just kidding by the way, please dont blow up

FUCK YOU CUNT

[Snoogans]

and thats a fuckin joke, so no mods better warn me

[TheGameHHH]

If you take me I promise to start shit in section M17 with some people who never heard of Dave Righetti, Ron Guidry or Steve Sax.

who???? oh, are those old indian players? yea, give them shit!

[Snoogans]

ahhh steve saxx, the original Chuck Knoblauch

[TheGameHHH]

FUCK YOU CUNT

im telling on you, i hope you get a warning from the mods.

[Tenbatsuzen]

THE JOBA RULES, AND WHY THEY EXIST.

When Joba Chamberlain was called up to the Yankees late this season, rumors and then confirmation came out about a set of guidelines that Brian Cashman and the Yankee front office had designed to make sure that Joe Torre didn't abuse and tire out one of their prized prospects.

They were known in the media as: "The Joba Rules".

Most people were amused by this, but the writing on the wall was clear: The Front Office could not and did not trust Torre with the bullpen. Torre isn't a first or second year manager. He's been with the Yankees for 12 years.

The Joba Rules were simple: If Joba pitched one inning, he got one day off. If he pitched two, he got two days off. He did not pitch more than two innings, and he had a set pitch count. He also didn't come in halfway through an inning; he would start an inning. Simple enough, as the Yankees were grooming Joba to be a starting pitcher next year.

As Joba pitched through August and September with just ridiculous stuff, it became evident that he was something special and the rumblings started that he was not a starter; he was in fact the heir apparent to Mariano Riviera. They had even said that for the playoffs, the Joba rules would be relaxed because of the need to win games.

Game 2 and Game 3 of the ALDS has shown without a shadow of a doubt how inept Joe Torre's bullpen management in and how even the most brilliant baseball minds (Cashman) can be undone by someone with great people skills but a 2 cent mind for pitching.

On Friday night, Chamberlain pitched two innings gave up a Yankee lead because of a literal infestation. He threw 25 pitches in 1.2 innings worth of work. Granted, because of the bugs and the fact that he gave up the lead in the game which the Yankees eventually lost, he was going to need some work to get his confidence back.

He got a day off yesterday, and it was all hands on deck for an elimination game tonight.

So what happens?

The Yankees have a six run lead and Phil Hughes, who has thrown 63 pitches, is unbelievable going into the seventh.

So... if you have a Young pitcher who has thrown 63 pitches going into the seventh inning, what do you do?

Most people would assume the obvious, especially with a five run lead. Hughes pitches the seventh, Joba or perhaps someone like Kyle Farnsworth the eighth, and then Mariano the 9th.

Instead?

Torre sends Joba out for the seventh inning. And he mows everyone down. OK, great. Joba got his work in, he got his confidence back. Throw someone out there in the 8 and then Mariano in the 9th.

Instead?

HE SENDS JOBA OUT AGAIN, FOR HIS *FOURTH* INNING OF WORK IN THREE DAYS.

And of course, Joba over pitches, giving up a run, and ending the 8th throwing 38 pitches, makes his pitch count over 60 pitches in the last three days.

What does this mean?

Torre, who had no reason to keep Joba in for a second inning, who had no reason to pull Hughes, has now destroyed his bullpen's lynchpin availability going into GAme 4 tomorrow.

Just remember this, when the Yankees are nursing a one run lead going into the 8th tomorrow. And if Torre sends Joba out in the 8th inning, or better yet, sends Mariano for 2 innings worth of work... well, it explains the ineptitude of one Joe Torre.

[spoon]

if i was yankee manager, i leave hughes in for the 7th. If he breezes through it i bring him out for the 8th and i have viz already loose. Then if trouble starts, get in viz and only then get joba up to finish the 8th. If you get through 8 with hughes then you can go anybody to start the 9th cause mo would be ready in 5 seconds

If I were the manager I would have started Moose and then went to Pavano to mop things up. If his right arm is out, fuck it, throw lefty. Oh and Giambi at short.

[Kevin]

Umm...

http://homepage.mac.com/notmychair/.Pictures/matchup.jpg

...huh?

Torre already said Wang.. So thats stupid.

[Snoogans]

If I were the manager I would have started Moose and then went to Pavano to mop things up. If his right arm is out, fuck it, throw lefty. Oh and Giambi at short.

ive been begging for moose all series. Of couse if i was there, Heredia would still be my set up guy

[Kevin]

If I were the manager I would have started Moose and then went to Pavano to mop things up. If his right arm is out, fuck it, throw lefty. Oh and Giambi at short.

I think you would have disqualified yourself by throwing up the 1st time you put on a Yankee cap in the press conference and scream THAT WAS AWFUL THAT WAS AWFUL!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh yah, yankee thread. This is going to hurt especially since he likes orange juice/is a gay, but HHH is right. You go home if you don't win this game. Hence you pull out all the stops today and move on to the next night and make adjustments from there.


Here's the adjustment: your second best reliever is unavailable and your best reliever doesn't really do that well with two innings of pitching after pitching an inning the night before.

Hughes should have stayed in and Joba should have pitched one inning at most. Torre's a moron, and HHH is incorrect.

[spoon]

THE JOBA RULES, AND WHY THEY EXIST.

When Joba Chamberlain was called up to the Yankees late this season, rumors and then confirmation came out about a set of guidelines that Brian Cashman and the Yankee front office had designed to make sure that Joe Torre didn't abuse and tire out one of their prized prospects.

They were known in the media as: "The Joba Rules".

Most people were amused by this, but the writing on the wall was clear: The Front Office could not and did not trust Torre with the bullpen. Torre isn't a first or second year manager. He's been with the Yankees for 12 years.

The Joba Rules were simple: If Joba pitched one inning, he got one day off. If he pitched two, he got two days off. He did not pitch more than two innings, and he had a set pitch count. He also didn't come in halfway through an inning; he would start an inning. Simple enough, as the Yankees were grooming Joba to be a starting pitcher next year.

As Joba pitched through August and September with just ridiculous stuff, it became evident that he was something special and the rumblings started that he was not a starter; he was in fact the heir apparent to Mariano Riviera. They had even said that for the playoffs, the Joba rules would be relaxed because of the need to win games.

Game 2 and Game 3 of the ALDS has shown without a shadow of a doubt how inept Joe Torre's bullpen management in and how even the most brilliant baseball minds (Cashman) can be undone by someone with great people skills but a 2 cent mind for pitching.

On Friday night, Chamberlain pitched two innings gave up a Yankee lead because of a literal infestation. He threw 25 pitches in 1.2 innings worth of work. Granted, because of the bugs and the fact that he gave up the lead in the game which the Yankees eventually lost, he was going to need some work to get his confidence back.

He got a day off yesterday, and it was all hands on deck for an elimination game tonight.

So what happens?

The Yankees have a six run lead and Phil Hughes, who has thrown 63 pitches, is unbelievable going into the seventh.

So... if you have a Young pitcher who has thrown 63 pitches going into the seventh inning, what do you do?

Most people would assume the obvious, especially with a five run lead. Hughes pitches the seventh, Joba or perhaps someone like Kyle Farnsworth the eighth, and then Mariano the 9th.

Instead?

Torre sends Joba out for the seventh inning. And he mows everyone down. OK, great. Joba got his work in, he got his confidence back. Throw someone out there in the 8 and then Mariano in the 9th.

Instead?

HE SENDS JOBA OUT AGAIN, FOR HIS *FOURTH* INNING OF WORK IN THREE DAYS.

And of course, Joba over pitches, giving up a run, and ending the 8th throwing 38 pitches, makes his pitch count over 60 pitches in the last three days.

What does this mean?

Torre, who had no reason to keep Joba in for a second inning, who had no reason to pull Hughes, has now destroyed his bullpen's lynchpin availability going into GAme 4 tomorrow.

Just remember this, when the Yankees are nursing a one run lead going into the 8th tomorrow. And if Torre sends Joba out in the 8th inning, or better yet, sends Mariano for 2 innings worth of work... well, it explains the ineptitude of one Joe Torre.

yah, i'm reading all that.

how's that yankee/joba thesis ten?

[spoon]

Here's the adjustment: your second best reliever is unavailable and your best reliever doesn't really do that well with two innings of pitching after pitching an inning the night before.

Hughes should have stayed in and Joba should have pitched one inning at most. Torre's a moron, and HHH is incorrect.

Perhaps going deeper with Hughes, but no Viz or Farns against a win or go home situation against the best comeback team in the AL. I made that fact up, but I know they're good bc TBS said so! Oh and you get no argument on the torre moron point. He likes turtles.

[TheGameHHH]

Perhaps going deeper with Hughes, but no Viz or Farns against a win or go home situation against the best comeback team in the AL. I made that fact up, but I know they're good bc TBS said so! Oh and you get no argument on the torre moron point. He likes turtles.

i think, and i could be wrong, that during game 1 or 2 TBS did show a stat that had the angels as the best AL comeback team this year. i think its safe to say that everyone agrees Joe should have stuck with The Franchise and he's an idiot for taking him out.

now lets put all this bickering behind us and have a yankee group hug (cause im gay)

[spoon]

Go have your "yank.." group hug elsewhere! This thread is filled with bronx hate baby!

[JPMNICK]

it has been said, but i will repeat it

WHY TAKE OUT HUGHES

Torre can not manage pitchers.

and there is no way Joba can go 2 innings tomorrow, which would be a better time for him to go 2 since there is an off day after it.

and they were ahead by a touchdown at that time.

[JPMNICK]

Go have your "yank.." group hug elsewhere! This thread is filled with bronx hate baby!

is it because sailor is from the bronx?

[JPMNICK]

the only thing that I can think is that they took Hughes out to save him for a relief appearance in game 5

[TheGameHHH]

the only thing that I can think is that they took Hughes out to save him for a relief appearance in game 5

nevermind, i was thinking game 4......forget my post

[TheGameHHH]

maybe i quote this guy too much, but sometimes i like what he has to say. anyway here's a great idea from Abraham: "I have no idea what they’re planning. But if the Yankees want to get the crowd going tomorrow, they have to convince somebody to throw out the first pitch.

And that is Bernie Williams."

[JPMNICK]

maybe i quote this guy too much, but sometimes i like what he has to say. anyway here's a great idea from Abraham: "I have no idea what they’re planning. But if the Yankees want to get the crowd going tomorrow, they have to convince somebody to throw out the first pitch.

And that is Bernie Williams."

wow that would be huge the place would be out of control.

and i think the best thing that can happen to the Yanks this post season happened tonight, and it was clemens getting hurt and prolly not coming back.

[Kevin]

maybe i quote this guy too much, but sometimes i like what he has to say. anyway here's a great idea from Abraham: "I have no idea what they’re planning. But if the Yankees want to get the crowd going tomorrow, they have to convince somebody to throw out the first pitch.

And that is Bernie Williams."

Wow the Prophet commented on the Yankees and what they should do?? Maybe God is indeed a Yankee fan!

You must tell Torre that he must Sacrifice either Phillip Hughes or Joba Chamberlain..

[TheGameHHH]

Wow the Prophet commented on the Yankees and what they should do?? Maybe God is indeed a Yankee fan!

You must tell Torre that he must Sacrifice either Phillip Hughes or Joba Chamberlain..

can't we just sacrifice Pavano instead?

[Kevin]

can't we just sacrifice Pavano instead?

That would be a desire not a sacrifice..

[ChrisTheCop]

First, congrats on giving yourselves a chance. I hope you make it to the ALCS.

Second, does anyone think (conspiracy theory time) that Clemen's exit was a planned strategy? Not that it would definitely happen, but if he goes out there and sucks, we got Hughes... who the Indians werent up all night strategizing against? The yanks have been full of interesting little psychological moves this year (and definitely nothing wrong with that)... just wondering what the fans thought.

also, sorry if this was already brought up; I just get too lost in the bickering to read too deep.

[scottinnj]

yea cause they made the rule. Go away, moron. The reason, as a Sox fan, that i can post in here is cause i actually like baseball, and so i comment on how things are. I dont just hate cause im bitter that my entire city fails in the clutch in EVERYTHING it does


Boo Hoo. All I heard for my whole life is how your Red Sox are victims of circumstances and all the other horseshit I've heard.
I love baseball too. And that means I hate the Yankees. Real baseball fans root for the National League, and we don't blame Babe Ruth because our team was so racist we pissed away championships to keep the Negroes out of our locker room like the Red Sox did.

Comment on that "moron."

[Snoogans]

did i do any of that? Not at all. I talked baseball, i didnt just say stupid things and make no point

[scottinnj]

Seriously.. IS A PHILLY FAN TALKING SHIT??...


REALLY???

REALLY??? You just took the momentum of being the recipient of the biggest collapse in sports history and responded by getting swept... WHAT OTHER CITY BUT PHILLY DOES THAT?? Seriously.. Philly players wrote the book in giving up and not trying..


MACNABB SUPERBOWL ANYBODY???

DRY HEAVE DRY HEAVE!!!



We still aren't as bad as the Yankees collapsing against the Red Sox.

DRY HEAVE DRY HEAVE!!!

And by the way, while the Mets were losing, we were winning, so your implication that the Mets gave us the NL East shows your myopic NY approach to baseball analysis, and yet you keep saying you are such a fan of the game! Instead you just parrot the NY sports media like the lemming you are.
We swept the Dummy Mets-TWICE

But did you really think the Phillies would go far with the bullpen we have?

You guys act like the championships should just be distributed among the Sox/Yankees fans year after year.


It was fun screwing with you guys today. Just shows how thin-skinned you Yankees/Red Sox fans are. Monday the Yankees will lose-which is a good thing.

[scottinnj]

did i do any of that? Not at all. I talked baseball, i didnt just say stupid things and make no point


But saying stupid things about the Yankees is fun. In fact, ripping on the American League in general is a great thing to do.

[spoon]

Hey, what about Canadian teams in the American League? They're cool right!? :lol:

[scottinnj]

Hey, what about Canadian teams in the American League? They're cool right!? :lol:


Well, I don't want to get into that....we the National League just fixed our *ahem* Canadian problem......and the Washington Nationals used to be from the French speaking part of Canada, if you know what I mean!

[spoon]

Yet they still suck!

[spoon]

Curse of the Philly tomorrow!? Paul Byrd pitches a gem?:thumbup:

[Kevin]

Curse of the Philly tomorrow!? Paul Byrd pitches a gem?:thumbup:

If by Gem you mean Yankees 8 Cleve 0 by the 2nd.. Then you are correct sir!

[Doctor Z]

THE JOBA RULES, AND WHY THEY EXIST.

When Joba Chamberlain was called up to the Yankees late this season, rumors and then confirmation came out about a set of guidelines that Brian Cashman and the Yankee front office had designed to make sure that Joe Torre didn't abuse and tire out one of their prized prospects.

They were known in the media as: "The Joba Rules".

Most people were amused by this, but the writing on the wall was clear: The Front Office could not and did not trust Torre with the bullpen. Torre isn't a first or second year manager. He's been with the Yankees for 12 years.

The Joba Rules were simple: If Joba pitched one inning, he got one day off. If he pitched two, he got two days off. He did not pitch more than two innings, and he had a set pitch count. He also didn't come in halfway through an inning; he would start an inning. Simple enough, as the Yankees were grooming Joba to be a starting pitcher next year.

As Joba pitched through August and September with just ridiculous stuff, it became evident that he was something special and the rumblings started that he was not a starter; he was in fact the heir apparent to Mariano Riviera. They had even said that for the playoffs, the Joba rules would be relaxed because of the need to win games.

Game 2 and Game 3 of the ALDS has shown without a shadow of a doubt how inept Joe Torre's bullpen management in and how even the most brilliant baseball minds (Cashman) can be undone by someone with great people skills but a 2 cent mind for pitching.

On Friday night, Chamberlain pitched two innings gave up a Yankee lead because of a literal infestation. He threw 25 pitches in 1.2 innings worth of work. Granted, because of the bugs and the fact that he gave up the lead in the game which the Yankees eventually lost, he was going to need some work to get his confidence back.

He got a day off yesterday, and it was all hands on deck for an elimination game tonight.

So what happens?

The Yankees have a six run lead and Phil Hughes, who has thrown 63 pitches, is unbelievable going into the seventh.

So... if you have a Young pitcher who has thrown 63 pitches going into the seventh inning, what do you do?

Most people would assume the obvious, especially with a five run lead. Hughes pitches the seventh, Joba or perhaps someone like Kyle Farnsworth the eighth, and then Mariano the 9th.

Instead?

Torre sends Joba out for the seventh inning. And he mows everyone down. OK, great. Joba got his work in, he got his confidence back. Throw someone out there in the 8 and then Mariano in the 9th.

Instead?

HE SENDS JOBA OUT AGAIN, FOR HIS *FOURTH* INNING OF WORK IN THREE DAYS.

And of course, Joba over pitches, giving up a run, and ending the 8th throwing 38 pitches, makes his pitch count over 60 pitches in the last three days.

What does this mean?

Torre, who had no reason to keep Joba in for a second inning, who had no reason to pull Hughes, has now destroyed his bullpen's lynchpin availability going into GAme 4 tomorrow.

Just remember this, when the Yankees are nursing a one run lead going into the 8th tomorrow. And if Torre sends Joba out in the 8th inning, or better yet, sends Mariano for 2 innings worth of work... well, it explains the ineptitude of one Joe Torre.

Painfully... painfully true.

[Kevin]

Yet they still suck!

Unless they play the Mets.. Then they become the 98 Yankees..

[spoon]

If by Gem you mean Yankees 8 Cleve 0 by the 2nd.. Then you are correct sir!

They're not sending up Moose or Glavine, come on!

[Kevin]

They're not sending up Moose or Glavine, come on!


Good point...


6-0???

[Doctor Z]

If by Gem you mean Yankees 8 Cleve 0 by the 2nd.. Then you are correct sir!

Proposition: If you could be fast-forwarded to that point tomorrow, and have that actually be the case... but you had to be in a crowded sports-bar, having just experienced explosive diarrhea in your pants, would you do it?



...I would.

















I would.

[spoon]

Nope

[HBox]

THE JOBA RULES, AND WHY THEY EXIST.

When Joba Chamberlain was called up to the Yankees late this season, rumors and then confirmation came out about a set of guidelines that Brian Cashman and the Yankee front office had designed to make sure that Joe Torre didn't abuse and tire out one of their prized prospects.

They were known in the media as: "The Joba Rules".

Most people were amused by this, but the writing on the wall was clear: The Front Office could not and did not trust Torre with the bullpen. Torre isn't a first or second year manager. He's been with the Yankees for 12 years.

The Joba Rules were simple: If Joba pitched one inning, he got one day off. If he pitched two, he got two days off. He did not pitch more than two innings, and he had a set pitch count. He also didn't come in halfway through an inning; he would start an inning. Simple enough, as the Yankees were grooming Joba to be a starting pitcher next year.

As Joba pitched through August and September with just ridiculous stuff, it became evident that he was something special and the rumblings started that he was not a starter; he was in fact the heir apparent to Mariano Riviera. They had even said that for the playoffs, the Joba rules would be relaxed because of the need to win games.

Game 2 and Game 3 of the ALDS has shown without a shadow of a doubt how inept Joe Torre's bullpen management in and how even the most brilliant baseball minds (Cashman) can be undone by someone with great people skills but a 2 cent mind for pitching.

On Friday night, Chamberlain pitched two innings gave up a Yankee lead because of a literal infestation. He threw 25 pitches in 1.2 innings worth of work. Granted, because of the bugs and the fact that he gave up the lead in the game which the Yankees eventually lost, he was going to need some work to get his confidence back.

He got a day off yesterday, and it was all hands on deck for an elimination game tonight.

So what happens?

The Yankees have a six run lead and Phil Hughes, who has thrown 63 pitches, is unbelievable going into the seventh.

So... if you have a Young pitcher who has thrown 63 pitches going into the seventh inning, what do you do?

Most people would assume the obvious, especially with a five run lead. Hughes pitches the seventh, Joba or perhaps someone like Kyle Farnsworth the eighth, and then Mariano the 9th.

Instead?

Torre sends Joba out for the seventh inning. And he mows everyone down. OK, great. Joba got his work in, he got his confidence back. Throw someone out there in the 8 and then Mariano in the 9th.

Instead?

HE SENDS JOBA OUT AGAIN, FOR HIS *FOURTH* INNING OF WORK IN THREE DAYS.

And of course, Joba over pitches, giving up a run, and ending the 8th throwing 38 pitches, makes his pitch count over 60 pitches in the last three days.

What does this mean?

Torre, who had no reason to keep Joba in for a second inning, who had no reason to pull Hughes, has now destroyed his bullpen's lynchpin availability going into GAme 4 tomorrow.

Just remember this, when the Yankees are nursing a one run lead going into the 8th tomorrow. And if Torre sends Joba out in the 8th inning, or better yet, sends Mariano for 2 innings worth of work... well, it explains the ineptitude of one Joe Torre.

Thank you for picking up the slack for me. Just what I was thinking. Even worse, I can't imagine Joba being able to pitch tonight if needed. I know it's still an elimination game and everyone is available but still, what can you expect from him after all those pitches? If you throw him out there what are you gonna get? And it worse because Mussina is pitching. He's not going to go deep.

Get ready for Farnsworth time tonight. Pray.

[Doctor Z]

We need to POUND Byrd tonight if we wanna stay alive. Given Wang's last outing, I don't think we're gonna get the typical 7+ innings of 1-run ball from him that we got during the regular season. And since Joba NEEDED to pitch 2 innings in a 5-run game last night, he's probably not gonna be available (great job, Joe). If we wanna have a shot, we gotta get on Byrd early.

[JPMNICK]

We need to POUND Byrd tonight if we wanna stay alive. Given Wang's last outing, I don't think we're gonna get the typical 7+ innings of 1-run ball from him that we got during the regular season. And since Joba NEEDED to pitch 2 innings in a 5-run game last night, he's probably not gonna be available (great job, Joe). If we wanna have a shot, we gotta get on Byrd early.

the key for tonight is Jeter hitting. he needs to be on base when Bobby and Arod come up to the plate.

if mussina punches out early, who coming in for long relief? is Igawa on the post season roster?

[Doctor Z]

Wang starts tonight (with Moose waiting in the wings if Wang blows up).

Not very comforting, I know.

[JPMNICK]

Wang starts tonight (with Moose waiting in the wings if Wang blows up).

Not very comforting, I know.

how many days rest is he on, 3 or 4?

edit: just checked and it is 3

[Snoogans]

i just want you to know that your manager sucks so much that red sox fans are getting mad at how awful he was

[RogerDornShortHops]

Igawa not on roster. By blowing out Chamberlain with a 5 run lead, Torre has made it essential that Wang + Mussina pitch well. Perfect scenario= Wang for 6, Moose 2, Rivera 1. Who knows what Wang will bring to table tonight.

I'm in Section 36 Row R Tonight..........will anyone else be at the Stadium?

[A.J.]

WE DIDN'T NEED HIM TONIGHT!

Christ almighty, we had a bunch of arms ready to go, with a five run lead.

If Joba pitched one inning tonight, I wouldn't be so insanely pissed, but they left him in for TWO FUCKING INNINGS WITH A FIVE RUN LEAD AND BLEW HIM OUT FOR TOMORROW.

THIS is why Joe Torre shouldn't have a job. Jesus Christ. I am fucking PISSED.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was wondering this -- and I'm a Sox fan for Christ's sake.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Igawa not on roster. By blowing out Chamberlain with a 5 run lead, Torre has made it essential that Wang + Mussina pitch well. Perfect scenario= Wang for 6, Moose 2, Rivera 1. Who knows what Wang will bring to table tonight.

I'm in Section 36 Row R Tonight..........will anyone else be at the Stadium?

Chien-Ming has shown he can go the distance.

[JPMNICK]

Chien-Ming has shown he can go the distance.

has he ever pitched on short rest before?

[Marc with a c]

I have no confidence in paul byrd tonight, I am hoping for 3 runs through 4 innings and get him out with a lead.

I really think they should throw CC on a limited pitch count tonight and use the middle relief to get them through the rest. Evn if they lose they have carmona for game 5 and if the indians lose the last two at least they lost with their best on the mound.

[Tenbatsuzen]

has he ever pitched on short rest before?

No. And Wang threw close to 100 pitches. I think Wang is going to have a tight leash.

Did the Yankees replace Clemens with Kennedy yet?

[JPMNICK]

No. And Wang threw close to 100 pitches. I think Wang is going to have a tight leash.

Did the Yankees replace Clemens with Kennedy yet?

Kennedy just got married on saturday

I think they said he would not make a roster until the 2nd round

[JPMNICK]

Giambi is not in the lineup tonight. Matsui is the DH Minkevich at 1st

[Bulldogcakes]

Igawa not on roster. By blowing out Chamberlain with a 5 run lead, Torre has made it essential that Wang + Mussina pitch well. Perfect scenario= Wang for 6, Moose 2, Rivera 1. Who knows what Wang will bring to table tonight.

I'm in Section 36 Row R Tonight..........will anyone else be at the Stadium?

Me too!! Bx 299 Wooo hooo!

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was wondering this -- and I'm a Sox fan for Christ's sake.

The thinking behind it is Joe doesn't believe in getting relievers up and down. Relievers don't like it, and Torre is a player's manager. But that's why he constantly gets caught with his pants down and/or makes pitchers go too long. Because HE HAS NOBODY WARMING UP behind them. Not even soft tossing. Its not an accident, its his operating philosophy.

[JPMNICK]

Phil Hughes is on mike and the maddog now saying it was a good move to take him out since he pitched game 1 he said he was not tired, but they did not want him to get near 80 pitches.

i forgot all about him pitching game 1 for 2 innings, so i understand more now about why they put Joba in when they did

[Snoogans]

Phil Hughes is on mike and the maddog now saying it was a good move to take him out since he pitched game 1 he said he was not tired, but they did not want him to get near 80 pitches.

i forgot all about him pitching game 1 for 2 innings, so i understand more now about why they put Joba in when they did

no. The point was Joba shouldnt be in with a lead that big. Try to steal outs with a bum first, bring Joba if you need to. Maybe you get lucky and don't ever need to, and if you do, at least it was cause you had to

[JPMNICK]

no. The point was Joba shouldnt be in with a lead that big. Try to steal outs with a bum first, bring Joba if you need to. Maybe you get lucky and don't ever need to, and if you do, at least it was cause you had to

i disagree, put Joba in for the 7th, let him hold the lead, then bum in the 8th, even if you use 2 or 3 guys, mariano in the 9th

[Snoogans]

i disagree, put Joba in for the 7th, let him hold the lead, then bum in the 8th, even if you use 2 or 3 guys, mariano in the 9th

ok fine, thats the point. That torre let joba pitch both and killed him for tonight. 1 inning would have been fine

[Bulldogcakes]

i disagree, put Joba in for the 7th, let him hold the lead, then bum in the 8th, even if you use 2 or 3 guys, mariano in the 9th

Thats it exactly. If you can't have Farnsworth or Veras or whoever hold a 5 run lead, they shouldn't be wasting a roster spot.
Joba 7th, whoever in the 8th since you now have a 5 run lead with Mo backing them up if they get in trouble.

[JPMNICK]

Thats it exactly. If you can't have Farnsworth or Veras or whoever hold a 5 run lead, they shouldn't be wasting a roster spot.
Joba 7th, whoever in the 8th since you now have a 5 run lead with Mo backing them up if they get in trouble.

who would you give the spot to? there are not that many rock solid guys on their staff

[Snoogans]

who would you give the spot to? there are not that many rock solid guys on their staff

FELIX HEREDIA

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yankees have removed Clemens from the roster, his spot is taken by Villone. Clemens is now deactivated for the ALCS.

[JPMNICK]

Yankees have removed Clemens from the roster, his spot is taken by Villone. Clemens is now deactivated for the ALCS.

what! no Ian Kennedy?

[Snoogans]

Yankees have removed Clemens from the roster, his spot is taken by Villone. Clemens is now deactivated for the ALCS.

Close enough for me

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo shitty bullpen

[Bulldogcakes]

who would you give the spot to? there are not that many rock solid guys on their staff

I'm just saying. Why have them if you'll never use them?

I would have used Farnsworth in that spot. He's hit or miss. You can get a good inning out of him here and there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

what! no Ian Kennedy?

He's never pitched relief, and Villone brings a LHP to the pen.

[Snoogans]

so would Heredia

[Bulldogcakes]

FELIX HEREDIA

Whenever I need 2 walks and a hit batsman, I know who to call!

[Snoogans]

yea, he was my fave yankee of all time

[JPMNICK]

He's never pitched relief, and Villone brings a LHP to the pen.

good point. they do not have a LHP at all this round

[Snoogans]

I didnt even know you guys fuckin still had vallone

[Doctor Z]

no. The point was Joba shouldnt be in with a lead that big. Try to steal outs with a bum first, bring Joba if you need to. Maybe you get lucky and don't ever need to, and if you do, at least it was cause you had to

...First time we've ever agreed on baseball?

[spoon]

Kennedy just got married on saturday

I think they said he would not make a roster until the 2nd round

Then he'll never make the roster!

[Snoogans]

...First time we've ever agreed on baseball?

between you, bulldog, and tenbatz all agreeing with me, I might not believe I'm actually awake

[zildjian361]

Mussina out of rotation. good:laugh::thumbup:

[JPMNICK]

Mussina out of rotation. good:laugh::thumbup:

he came in long relief once this season and pitched well, so hopefully if they need him tonight or wednesday he will be ready to go

[Snoogans]

you guys should have gone mussina to ohlesky or whatever to farnsworth if you needed to close the game. Thats what I would do

[mdr55]

Joe should have started Mussina for game 4. Wang on short days rest, i don't know. He hasn't been as sharp as he was earlier in the season. Plus if Mussina was starting, Joe already has a built in excuse if they lose. If they win with Mussina, he'll look like a genius.


Damn. All the players love Torre. Blah blah blah. Stop it with those stories already. We get it.

[JPMNICK]

Joe should have started Mussina for game 4. Wang on short days rest, i don't know. He hasn't been as sharp as he was earlier in the season. Plus if Mussina was starting, Joe already has a built in excuse if they lose. If they win with Mussina, he'll look like a genius.


Damn. All the players love Torre. Blah blah blah. Stop it with those stories already. We get it.

i am sure they all love their mom's too, does that mean they should be managing

[spoon]

Wang is a different pitcher at home vs the road vs. Cleveland, just saw the stats. Also, Kruk brought up a great point that Wang was throwing all his breaking pitches too hard taking that said break out of the pitch resulting in little movement or flat pitches. Wang was working on extended break that time, and this time it's short so it may work. I hope not, but power pitchers need the normal rest, not pitchers like Wang. However, the Tribe may have a tell on Wang that erases all this diatribe.

[spoon]

Wilbon and Kornheiser picked Cubs/Yanks and Phills/Yanks respectively.......both of them are outside of NY and are two of the most respected sports writers in the business. Please stop with your blind hatred. All you do is accuse people of being homers but then you make moronic statements like that.

Well funny enough the exact two guys you quote made my point on PTI today! Both were ripping each other for making the picks they did by ignoring the stats and not knowing a fucking thing about either team. In fact, they had trouble naming players on either team and called each other morons for it. It's the problem with this league hands down. And for TBS to downplay the upcoming series as it did, is simply moronic on a whole new level. Thanks for bringing up those two!

[lleeder]

Well funny enough the exact two guys you quote made my point on PTI today! Both were ripping each other for making the picks they did by ignoring the stats and not knowing a fucking thing about either team. In fact, they had trouble naming players on either team and called each other morons for it. It's the problem with this league hands down. And for TBS to downplay the upcoming series as it did, is simply moronic on a whole new level. Thanks for bringing up those two!

If you dislike their opinion why watch their show on a consistent basis? I think you're just looking for reasons to be angry at this point. (note the use of the winky smilie) :wink:

[spoon]

Hey, I love their show and they were man enough to admit to the bias and lack of overall league knowledge. It does kill their MLB credibility and that of most writers overall, but they are entertaining.

[Snoogans]

i can't wait to see how ARod figures out how not to hit Paul Byrd

[TheGameHHH]

Well funny enough the exact two guys you quote made my point on PTI today! Both were ripping each other for making the picks they did by ignoring the stats and not knowing a fucking thing about either team. In fact, they had trouble naming players on either team and called each other morons for it. It's the problem with this league hands down. And for TBS to downplay the upcoming series as it did, is simply moronic on a whole new level. Thanks for bringing up those two!

yea, i was watching PTI at the gym before and heard them say that. first thing i thought of was this thread

[Snoogans]

we tried to tell you

[TheGameHHH]

Wang is a different pitcher at home vs the road vs. Cleveland, just saw the stats. Also, Kruk brought up a great point that Wang was throwing all his breaking pitches too hard taking that said break out of the pitch resulting in little movement or flat pitches. Wang was working on extended break that time, and this time it's short so it may work. I hope not, but power pitchers need the normal rest, not pitchers like Wang. However, the Tribe may have a tell on Wang that erases all this diatribe.

"One Nut" Kruk's point was very true. you could see Wang was throwing too hard after the 7 days off. We'll see what happens in a few minutes.

[TheGameHHH]

we tried to tell you

tell me what? we're talking about the teams they picked. nothing to do with the use of Joba

[Snoogans]

we were telling you about both. You just had a really bad day

[TheGameHHH]

we were telling you about both. You just had a really bad day

remember that day......its not often i have a day like that

[Marc with a c]

im not watching, did sizemore get on?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Warm moose up now.

[Snoogans]

yea cause moose was awesome this year

[Kevin]

im not watching, did sizemore get on?

Im not watching did Jose Reyes go 0-4 again??

[Marc with a c]

Im not watching did Jose Reyes go 0-4 again??

he isn't playing.

[Snoogans]

Im not watching did Jose Reyes go 0-4 again??

actually he shot a 94....it woulda been 93 but he missed this 4 footer on 18

[joeyballsack]

Is it too early to bring in Joba?

[Kevin]

he isn't playing.

What was that??

[Snoogans]

Is it too early to bring in Joba?

not for torre

[Marc with a c]

What was that??

joe torre is ugly

[Kevin]

if Wang fucks this one up too i hope the Chinese nuke Taiwan

[Kevin]

joe torre is ugly

I agree.. And he is the 2nd worst manager in NY.

[Snoogans]

what a rocket to the gap that was

[Snoogans]

im gonna cut you frank. I'm gonna cut you bad

[Kevin]

I am almost ready to have us lose tonight.. 2 great things would happen

1 Torre Fired
2 NO MORE FRANK TV ADS!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Frank TV's not so bad.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/ron_silver_skin.jpg

HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY!!!

[Snoogans]

man that ARod never fails to impress. I never thought he could find a way to K