New York Yankee 2007 Post Season Thread

[Freitag]

This Just In:

Yanks take Game 1 by a final score of 7-6. You heard it here first.

I wish I could hate you to death.

[A.J.]

I wish I could hate you to death.

Freitag is the A.J. of this thread.

Never. Tempt. Fate.

[Freitag]

Freitag is the A.J. of this thread.

Never. Tempt. Fate.

Why do you think I hate BDC for his shenanigans last year?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think you're overestimating. A lot of the Yankee middle-relief woes have been from guys who aren't making the post-season roster.

Guys like Bruney aren't going to october.

1) Posada
2) Giambi
3) Mancave
4) Cano
5) Jeter
6) A-Rod
7) Abreu
8) Damon
9) Melky
10) Matsui
11) Molina
12) Betemit


13) Pettite
14) Wang
15) Mussina
16) Joba
17) Mo
18) Clemens
19) Viz
20) Villone
21) Farnsworth
22) Hughes

That leaves three spots. If Kennedy isn't completely shut down, he probably gets one, and that leaves two spots for another bat (Duncan?) and MAYBE Igawa or Edwar.



Johnny Damon LF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jorge Posada C
Hideki Matsui DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Melky Cabrera CF
Doug Mientkiewicz 1B
Chien-Ming Wang RHP

Other position players
INF Wilson Betemit
1B Jason Giambi
OF-1B Shelley Duncan
C Jose Molina
OF-3B Bronson Sardinha

Other starting pitchers
LHP Andy Pettitte
RHP Roger Clemens
RHP Mike Mussina
RHP Phil Hughes

Bullpen
RHP Mariano Rivera
RHP Joba Chamberlain
RHP Luis Vizcaino
RHP Kyle Farnsworth
RHP Ross Ohlendorf
RHP Jose Veras


Meh. Surprised about Veras, Sardinha, etc.

[Bulldogcakes]

Rocket pitches simulated game, says he's ready for Game 3 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3048321)

[Bulldogcakes]

I have one extra ticket for Tuesday's game. Great seat, Main Res MVP 17, right above the Yankee dugout. Cost me $115. Anyone wants it, PM me.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

This one should be Easy, you own the Injuns...

I totally believe this will be easy, then you will lose to the SAUX

:king:

[Doctor Z]

Kinda disappointed not to see Flaco on the post-season roster. He's looked pretty solid at times, and has proven himself more than than Ollendorf, who we've seen for all of 5 minutes.

[A.J.]

Yankees decline Wild Card (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/yankees_decline_wild_card)

[Freitag]

I have one extra ticket for Tuesday's game. Great seat, Main Res MVP 17, right above the Yankee dugout. Cost me $115. Anyone wants it, PM me.

but we'd have to sit next to you

[Freitag]

"I'm not even sure how this, what do you call it, 'wild card?' Right…how this wild card even works," said Yankees shortstop and team captain Derek Jeter, who made "air quotes" gestures every time he uttered the phrase. "Can a team even make it to the World Series from such a position? Seems like charity to me. And the Yankees are nobody's charity case."



I LOL'ed.

[TheGameHHH]

IT'S MOTHERFUCKING GAME DAY BABY!!!!!!!!!!

this is why most of us here pay attention to the 162 games played prior to tonight. i'm so fuckin pumped, and if i wasn't so hungover i'd be even more excited. apparently theres an injury to Mientkiewicz but nobody knows how severe yet or if it will impact the line-up tonight. either way, i'm locked and loaded.............ready to go to war.

[Doctor Z]

IT'S MOTHERFUCKING GAME DAY BABY!!!!!!!!!!

this is why most of us here pay attention to the 162 games played prior to tonight. i'm so fuckin pumped, and if i wasn't so hungover i'd be even more excited. apparently theres an injury to Mientkiewicz but nobody knows how severe yet or if it will impact the line-up tonight. either way, i'm locked and loaded.............ready to go to war.
...Don't tell me these things.

[TheGameHHH]

...Don't tell me these things.

some YES cameraman fell on him and he rolled his ankle but its all good. he's cleared to play, no need to worry

[spoon]

That looked like it was fair, but can tbs get us a decent angle on this! Holy shit!

[TheGameHHH]

was anybody else nervous for A-rod when he came up to bat?

[spoon]

no, don't b gay

[TheGameHHH]

go watch hockey

[spoon]

still gay

[spoon]

Nice! That was not gay, and I wasn't even nervous for him.

[sailor]

i really thought wang was getting out of the inning with only 8 or 9 pitches.

[spoon]

:clap:Yeah!

[spoon]

Even though I think Lofton is a fucking douche for his comments on Joe Torre.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I fully believe that this game is in the Bag

3-1 an easy deficit for the Yanks to come back

:king:

[Bulldogcakes]

but we'd have to sit next to you

I'll wear a disguise. Just like you Tenba . . . . . I mean Freitag.

[Bulldogcakes]

That Pinella commercial was hilarious

[BoondockSaint]

That Pinella commercial was hilarious


Not as funny as the ones for Frank TV.

[spoon]

wooohoooo

how about 4-1 hip hop potomus!

[Bossanova]

Not as funny as this......... never mind

[spoon]

Man I forgot how much fun the yankee thread could be!:laugh:

[spoon]

worst/best suits in tv today!

Hilarious!

Wasn't he in dumb and dumber?

[BoondockSaint]

worst/best suits in tv today!

Hilarious!

Wasn't he in dumb and dumber?


I thought the color on my tv was fucked up.

[Bossanova]

Does he dress like that during NBA games

[BoondockSaint]

Does he dress like that during NBA games


No, they make him take off the Yankee hat.

[spoon]

what's this....n b a?

[Bossanova]

what's this....n b a?

HAHA

[Kevin]

What.. All of you guys are bored watching your teams play on the golf channel?? Its still early relax Sally's..

[Bossanova]

Yes actually. Delgado comes up short all the time, and Wright slices everything to the right.

It's just fun when many teams fans can unify in one belief

[Bulldogcakes]

Dont Cha Know Motha Fucka!!!!!!!!

[sailor]

Yes actually. Delgado comes up short all the time, and Wright slices everything to the right.

It's just fun when many teams fans can unify in one belief

that they'll never be as good as the yankees?

[Bulldogcakes]

El Homo Dulce!!!!

[spoon]

The yanks losing in the playoffs again is sooo much worse then the Blue Jays not being able to knock off the red sox and yankees. Come fucking on! Go Tribe!

[Bulldogcakes]

Matsui is killing us tonight. Thats twice he did nothing in a big spot. Nice work starting him over Duncan, Joe.

Glad you're so fucking loyal, because thats more important than matchups or the fact his just had his knee drained, you moron.

[BoondockSaint]

Was anyone else nervous for A-Rod during that intentional walk?

[spoon]

Oh God was I BDS! And way to call it AFTER it didn't work out with Matsui! Ha!

[JPMNICK]

Matsui is killing us tonight. Thats twice he did nothing in a big spot. Nice work starting him over Duncan, Joe.

Glad you're so fucking loyal, because thats more important than matchups or the fact his just had his knee drained, you moron.

i agree. joe said on Mike and the Maddog he was startign Duncan and sitting Matsui (this was monday I think). I guess he changed his mind for some reason

[spoon]

Bam!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Sabathia's at 114 pitches, he shouldn't last much longer. He was really laboring that last inning, and the Yanks don't give him a break anywhere. Wedge just might call it a night for him, there's no point letting him get into trouble and then have a reliever try to bail you out.

If Joe has a brain, he'll pull Wang right now.

[sailor]

Matsui is killing us tonight. Thats twice he did nothing in a big spot. Nice work starting him over Duncan, Joe.

Glad you're so fucking loyal, because thats more important than matchups or the fact his just had his knee drained, you moron.

i agree. joe said on Mike and the Maddog he was startign Duncan and sitting Matsui (this was monday I think). I guess he changed his mind for some reason

actually posada striking out both times with one out was WAY worse. he's been a rally killer tonight.

[sailor]

Sabathia's at 114 pitches, he shouldn't last much longer. He was really laboring that last inning, and the Yanks don't give him a break anywhere. Wedge just might call it a night for him, there's no point letting him get into trouble and then have a reliever try to bail you out.

If Joe has a brain, he'll pull Wang right now.

i'd be shocked if sabathia isn't done.

[Bossanova]

Never thought I would enjoy that goddam drum

[Bulldogcakes]

i agree. joe said on Mike and the Maddog he was startign Duncan and sitting Matsui (this was monday I think). I guess he changed his mind for some reason

Joe lost his rabbits foot a LOOOOONG time ago. Him saying "I'm going with guys I trust" holds less and less weight because his judgment has proved so faulty in the playoffs for the past 4 years.

[spoon]

bing bong
bye bye wang

[BoondockSaint]

Yanks pulling Wang.

[spoon]

perhaps the yanks should have had wang on the pinella pitching plan!

[Bulldogcakes]

actually posada striking out both times with one out was WAY worse. he's been a rally killer tonight.

Matsui was the final out in the first with 2 men on, and was the final out with the bases loaded in the 5th.

No further questions, your honor.



Actually you're right, Posada's been bad too. But at least he's a switch hitter and there was no question as to whether he should start. With Matsui there was, and it has worked out horribly.

[BoondockSaint]

What was with the Graig Nettles update?

[Bulldogcakes]

Yanks pulling Wang.

In more ways than one.


and way too late, maybe they're nervous.

[JPMNICK]

What was with the Graig Nettles update?

i just asked my father the same thing. that was a random flashback

Kenny Lofton still has some speed on the bases

[RogerDornShortHops]

Yankees get out of this still down 7-3, I'm not counting them out yet.

[JPMNICK]

BTW, I predict they come back in this game against the indians middle reliever. besides posada and matsui, the other hitters have looked pretty good tonight taking some good pitches.

[RogerDornShortHops]

Now we're fucked.

[spoon]

BTW, I predict they come back in this game against the indians middle reliever. besides posada and matsui, the other hitters have looked pretty good tonight taking some good pitches.

NOPE

[Bulldogcakes]

Game over. Nice work Joe, as usual.

[JPMNICK]

NOPE

HAHHA

they have FIVE 2 our RBI's tonight.

[JPMNICK]

if they Yanks have a quick 1st round exit, the my life is a toilet thread will be updated with how the Ex and the Yanks have stomped on my heart

[JPMNICK]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD


I can not take one more of these Frank Caliendo Commericals. they are pushing it very hard, and there is no way it makes it more than 1 season

[Bossanova]

Joe Torre is the Andy Reid of baseball

[Bulldogcakes]

if they Yanks have a quick 1st round exit, the my life is a toilet thread will be updated with how the Ex and the Yanks have stomped on my heart

I will be consoled with the knowledge that nothing will save Torre's job. I thought he deserved to be canned last year, and a poll taken at the time said half of Yankee fans agreed. I'm so sick of his tired act, and he hasn't been the same since Zim left.

[Billy_Mays]

Chip Carey isn't really helping my temper right now

[JPMNICK]

big 7th inning coming up

they will use the 6th to contemplate a game plan

[JPMNICK]

what the fuck is going on here, another HR? followed by a double?

[Bossanova]

Its just like Sunday with the Mets. The damn scoring just wouldn't stop

[JPMNICK]

Its just like Sunday with the Mets. The damn scoring just wouldn't stop

they were within 1 for like 2 minutes after the Cano homerun. they needed to hold them there.

and here comes another run

BRING IS VISCIANO

[Bossanova]

Did that fucking guy just say Cleveland Crushers

[BoondockSaint]

big 7th inning coming up

they will use the 6th to contemplate a game plan


This is going to be one hell of a plan.

[JPMNICK]

This is going to be one hell of a plan.

i might have been a little bit of a homer there and thinking without using my head.

[Bulldogcakes]

Another one from the "Joe's magic rabbit foot" file. Choosing Ross Ohlendorf over Ron Villone.

[Bulldogcakes]

they were within 1 for like 2 minutes after the Cano homerun. they needed to hold them there.

and here comes another run

BRING IN VISCIANO

Why waste him? This game is shot.

This is what has been going on all year with this team. They have a narrow path to get wins, 6-7 solid from the starter, Joba to Mo. Any variations from that and its going to be a long night.

[Bulldogcakes]

Hughes? Philip Hughes?

So now Hughes is working out of the bullpen?

[lleeder]

Another one from the "Joe's magic rabbit foot" file. Choosing Ross Ohlendorf over Ron Villone.

Villone has sucked all year. Its really like choosing between...

[Kevin]

Villone has sucked all year. Its really like choosing between...

lleeder and F_S??

Btw.. Where the hell has F_S been anyway??

[lleeder]

lleeder and F_S??

Btw.. Where the hell has F_S been anyway??

I got bored posting as him.

[TheGameHHH]

Hughes? Philip Hughes?

So now Hughes is working out of the bullpen?

that was the plan for a few days. he was available for long relief because Moose is pitching game 4 (if the yanks make it that far).

[King Hippos Bandaid]

damn I lost $20 bucks I was sure the Yanks would sweep

The Yanks should still win the series quite easily

:king:

[Doogie]

I am gonna be the one complainer here about this but: Why the fuck are we taliking about other series division battles in this thread?!?! Knock it off!! Go elsewhere fuck-o's!!

Just needed that off my chest

[Bulldogcakes]

that was the plan for a few days. he was available for long relief because Moose is pitching game 4 (if the yanks make it that far).

Hughes should be starting Game 4, not being used in mop up. Joe's had a disastrous series so far. Every decision has come up empty so far, and Mussina hasn't even pitched yet. Don't tell me its all the players. He's choosing the wrong guys.

And Villone hasn't been awful this year. Here's his line
ERA 4.25 IP42.1 H36 BB18

Less than a hit per inning pitched, walks about 3.5 per 9. Not great, but a steady veteran.

[A.J.]

"I fear all The Tribe has done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/a/ab/260px-Yamamoto_h63430.jpg

[Freitag]

"I fear all The Tribe has done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/a/ab/260px-Yamamoto_h63430.jpg

Shut. Up. Please. Thanks.

[JPMNICK]

well andy petttie has the fun job of again stopping the losing tonight. he didn't look great his last few starts, but maybe some rest has done him well. also hopefully being under the spotlight motivates him a little.

i really think Matsui's knee is bothering him too much to play. i never thought i would say this, but DH Giambi over him

[TheGameHHH]

well andy petttie has the fun job of again stopping the losing tonight. he didn't look great his last few starts, but maybe some rest has done him well. also hopefully being under the spotlight motivates him a little.

i really think Matsui's knee is bothering him too much to play. i never thought i would say this, but DH Giambi over him

yep........i have to agree with you. its obvious Matsui is injured, therefore Giambi needs to be the DH.

[Freitag]

Lifetime .300 hitter, 2400+ hits, 600+ stolen bases, no rings. Is Kenny Lofton a HOFer?

[BoondockSaint]

Lifetime .300 hitter, 2400+ hits, 600+ stolen bases, no rings. Is Kenny Lofton a HOFer?


Not even close.

[Freitag]

Not even close.

Soley based on the bad reputation and no rings?

[BoondockSaint]

Soley based on the bad reputation and no rings?


No, I just don't think he's had a good enough career to be in the HOF.

[A.J.]

Lifetime .300 hitter, 2400+ hits, 600+ stolen bases, no rings. Is Kenny Lofton a HOFer?

The numbers were there...he was a premier player during his prime...but he's more like a hired gun, jumping from team to team. I don't know -- if it's a lean ballot year, he might get in.

[JPMNICK]

The numbers were there...he was a premier player during his prime...but he's more like a hired gun, jumping from team to team. I don't know -- if it's a lean ballot year, he might get in.

I agree. it all depends on who else is around at that time. if this was this year with Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn, then no.

[Earlshog]

Soley based on the bad reputation and no rings?

soley based on his stats

to boast your argument don't forget he was always a great fielder

[Snoogans]

I'd put lofton in the MTV Rock and Jock softball HOF way before the baseball one

[TheGameHHH]

I think Lofton goes to the Hall of Very Good........not the Hall of Fame.

[JPMNICK]

I think Lofton goes to the Hall of Very Good........not the Hall of Fame.

Do you think Jeter is going to the Hall?

[Freitag]

Last hitter to get into the HOF without the "automatic" 400/3000 golden ticket was Ryne Sandberg, whose only advatange over Lofton both defensively and offensively was his power.

Never won a ring. Was with the Cubs the entire career.

[Freitag]

Do you think Jeter is going to the Hall?

4 rings, will have 2500+ hits before he's 35, known for being a clutch player, 200 Home Runs. .316 lifetime, great D. Consumate team player. Yankee captain. As long as he holds his current course for 2-3 more years, I have no doubt he's in.

[BoondockSaint]

Last hitter to get into the HOF without the "automatic" 400/3000 golden ticket was Ryne Sandberg, whose only advatange over Lofton both defensively and offensively was his power.

Never won a ring. Was with the Cubs the entire career.


Yeah but Sandberg had 9 Gold Gloves to Lofton's 4 and Sandberg had 7 Silver Slugger Awards to Lofton's 0.

[TheGameHHH]

Do you think Jeter is going to the Hall?

Yes......not only do I think Jeter is going to the Hall, I think anybody that wants to argue that he's not going is simply silly.

Quick side story on Kenny Lofton. He stuck his finger up my friends ass when she met him one night in Chicago. They weren't even hooking up, they were hugging goodbye and he reached around and shoved his hand down the back of he pants and put his finger in her ass. Kenny Lofton fingers butts, don't make him a bad person though.

[JPMNICK]

Yes......not only do I think Jeter is going to the Hall, I think anybody that wants to argue that he's not going is simply silly.

Quick side story on Kenny Lofton. He stuck his finger up my friends ass when she met him one night in Chicago. They weren't even hooking up, they were hugging goodbye and he reached around and shoved his hand down the back of he pants and put his finger in her ass. Kenny Lofton fingers butts, don't make him a bad person though.

haha that is hysterical

I agree about Jeter, he def deserves to be in there. I just think his numbers are not that far from Kenny Lofton, except the rings. Well it depends on how much longer Jeter plays, but I think even if he retired tommorow he would be in the Hall

[A.J.]

Yankee captain.

I don't think THAT is really a factor -- but if it is, Graig Nettles, Willie Randolph, Ron Guidry and Don Mattingly got screwed!

Jeter's a first ballot, no question.

[Earlshog]

Do you think Jeter is going to the Hall?


Easy he could get hit by a bus on the way to the game tonight and hes in.

He is going to wind up with 3,000 hits which makes you automatic (unless your last name is Palemaro)

[JPMNICK]

Easy he could get hit by a bus on the way to the game tonight and hes in.

He is going to wind up with 3,000 hits which makes you automatic (unless your last name is Palemaro)

it seems like we are finally in the generation where automatic is not happening.

Does Sammy Sosa make it? 600+ homers

[Earlshog]

Last hitter to get into the HOF without the "automatic" 400/3000 golden ticket was Ryne Sandberg, whose only advatange over Lofton both defensively and offensively was his power.

Never won a ring. Was with the Cubs the entire career.

Sandberg was the best second basemen of his generation

Loftons not even in the top five best CF of his

[Snoogans]

Yea even sox fans can't argue Jeter. The yankee captain doesn't help, but the leadership he showed and just his reputation for coming up huge would get him in if his stats werent enough, which they are probably know and will be by the time he hangs um up.

And if you wanna put Mattingly in, you are gonna have to put alot of other guys in who woulda had stats but didn't for the same reasons as Donnie Mustache, guys like Albert Belle. And no one wants to do that

[Earlshog]

it seems like we are finally in the generation where automatic is not happening.

Does Sammy Sosa make it? 600+ homers

The only thing that could keep him out are the Steriod rumors

[Snoogans]

it seems like we are finally in the generation where automatic is not happening.

Does Sammy Sosa make it? 600+ homers

Sosa will make it cause he is at 600. He may have tested the 500 homers thing and not made it, like how Palmero will test all the "auto ins". But I think you have to put sosa in.

[JPMNICK]

Sosa will make it cause he is at 600. He may have tested the 500 homers thing and not made it, like how Palmero will test all the "auto ins". But I think you have to put sosa in.

I agree. even at 550 homers he was not automatic. I think once he passed 600, plus all the 60 homerun seasons, he is going to go in, but maybe not 1st ballad.

[Snoogans]

I think the last guy who will get AUTOMATIC status is Griffey. No one doubts anything, and his numbers even with the seasons missed are incredible. Giffey woulda made it with only 400 homers. He is the last player maybe who fully gets treated like an old hero of the game

[JPMNICK]

I think the last guy who will get AUTOMATIC status is Griffey. No one doubts anything, and his numbers even with the seasons missed are incredible. Giffey woulda made it with only 400 homers. He is the last player maybe who fully gets treated like an old hero of the game

Arod?

[Earlshog]

Sosa will make it cause he is at 600. He may have tested the 500 homers thing and not made it, like how Palmero will test all the "auto ins". But I think you have to put sosa in.

Palmero is not getting in because of the roids. If it wasn't for that 500 homers and 3,000 hits gets him in

[TheGameHHH]

I think if we are looking solely at numbers Sosa absolutely has to go to the Hall. It's still unclear for a lot of us how the writers are going to vote on this whole steroid saga. I think that's the only thing that could hold Sosa back.

[Earlshog]

I think the last guy who will get AUTOMATIC status is Griffey. No one doubts anything, and his numbers even with the seasons missed are incredible. Giffey woulda made it with only 400 homers. He is the last player maybe who fully gets treated like an old hero of the game

Randy Johnson, Jeter The Rocket, Arod, Mariano, Maddux automatic to name a few

[Snoogans]

I think steroids will hurt more the guys who are closer. Like Raphie and anyone who might end with like 511 524. I think, steroids or not, once you are over 600 or up to bonds numbers, they just can't keep you out, no matter what. A ton of guys have done steroids, and 5 people have 600 homers. So

[Snoogans]

Randy Johnson, Jeter The Rocket, Arod, Mariano automatic to name a few

I didn't mean auto ins. I mean like no questions. There are already questions about Rocket, I'm sure they will come out on AROd, wether true or not. I would agree with Randy but he is just such a douche, fuck him. Mariano you are right on. No doubt, no questions, no steroids, just awesome. Kinda like Armando Benitez on the Mets. Simply awesome

[JPMNICK]

I didn't mean auto ins. I mean like no questions. There are already questions about Rocket, I'm sure they will come out on AROd, wether true or not. I would agree with Randy but he is just such a douche, fuck him. Mariano you are right on. No doubt, no questions, no steroids, just awesome. Kinda like Armando Benitez on the Mets. Simply awesome

I think Clemens is no questions. he was dominant in the 80's until now.

[Earlshog]

I didn't mean auto ins. I mean like no questions. There are already questions about Rocket, I'm sure they will come out on AROd, wether true or not. I would agree with Randy but he is just such a douche, fuck him. Marino you are right on. No doubt, no questions, no steroids, just awesome. Kinda like Armando Benitez on the Mets. Simply awesome

Oh I got you...

how about Todd Helton? Think he winds up with 3,000 500 HR?

[Snoogans]

Yea but alot, i mean ALOT of peopl ethink he had help, especially the last 8-10 years. Clemens will have alot of shit come up 5 years from now, I have a feeling. I personally believe he is one of the biggest juicers in the game, that old fuck

[Snoogans]

Oh I got you...

how about Todd Helton? Think he winds up with 3,000 500 HR?

Helton I will have to say yes. He is just like Palmero, except no failed test. I think 3000/5000 is still a lock if you have both and didn't fail a test after lying to congress

[TheGameHHH]

Yea but alot, i mean ALOT of peopl ethink he had help, especially the last 8-10 years. Clemens will have alot of ship come up 5 years from now, I have a feeling. I personally believe he is one of the biggest juicers in the game, that old fuck

i also think Clemens is/was a juicer. for some reason i feel his name is being protected, but after he's out of the game for a few years, something will surface.

[Snoogans]

I'll give you a guy I think is a lock 1st ballot based on guys in at his position, but alot of people don't agree. Jeff Kent

[Freitag]

I think Piazza's probably automatic too. Better offensively than Johnny Bench.

[Freitag]

I thought "automatic" was 400 home runs, not 500.

[Snoogans]

yea isn't piazza the all time HR hitting catcher. Thats basically it

[Snoogans]

I thought "automatic" was 400 home runs, not 500.

no, everyone who is eligible who has 500 right now is in. Not all with over 400 are. Infact McGriff has like 492 and he prob won't get in cause of it

[BoondockSaint]

I'll give you a guy I think is a lock 1st ballot based on guys in at his position, but alot of people don't agree. Jeff Kent


He'll go in but they may make him wait a year because he's such a prick.

[Earlshog]

Helton I will have to say yes. He is just like Palmero, except no failed test. I think 3000/5000 is still a lock if you have both and didn't fail a test after lying to congress

I don't know playing at Coors filed pre humidifier is better the HGH and Roids.... :wink:

[Snoogans]

yea but that's part of the game. Helton didn't stick thinner air into his ass cheek

[Earlshog]

I think Piazza's probably automatic too. Better offensively than Johnny Bench.


He is but he has had the steroid cloud over his head... Same thing with Irod who was even better then Piazza

[Freitag]

Current players who are going to be automatic:

Manny, Thome, Big Hurt, A-Rod, Griffey.

Current players who have the stats but may be seen as problematic because of roids/attitude:

Bonds, Sosa, Sheffield

Possible:

Delgado, Chipper Jones

Here's someone interesting:

Fred McGriff. 493 home runs. Won a ring with the braves. Baseball skills video. *finger point*

[Snoogans]

He is but he has had the steroid cloud over his head... Same thing with Irod who was even better then Piazza

Pudge wasn't half the hitter of piazza, and I dont think I've heard much at all about him and roids, Only pudge. Pizza will get in way before

[Earlshog]

I thought "automatic" was 400 home runs, not 500.

You have a better chance of seeing Dave in the HOF for his JV numbers at CBA then seeing Canseco in that Hall

[Freitag]

He is but he has had the steroid cloud over his head... Same thing with Irod who was even better then Piazza

Wha? I've never heard any allegations about that with Piazza. I've heard... OTHER allegations about Piazza, but never about HGH.

[Snoogans]

Current players who are going to be automatic:

Manny, Thome, Big Hurt, A-Rod, Griffey.

Current players who have the stats but may be seen as problematic because of roids/attitude:

Bonds, Sosa, Sheffield

Possible:

Delgado, Chipper Jones

Here's someone interesting:

Fred McGriff. 493 home runs. Won a ring with the braves. Baseball skills video. *finger point*

Bonds is a lock, just simply cause he was a lock before roids. No one remembers he is the ONLY 500/500 guy. Shit the only 400/400 guy. He was a legend pre steroids, and he will get in no question. Just the record will be questioned.

I put McGriff in simply because it WAS the defensive drills video that gets results. But I don't think Tom Emanski gets a vote.
Delgado won't get in, especially after this year, he is prob done. Chipper I don't think is gonna quite make it either, although 3rd base has been a little lean after ARod and alot of people forget how good chipper was.

Sheffield won't get there, and I think Frank Thomas will just because if 1 person has the balls to say Mattingly should be on, then you have to put every other first basemen who made an allstar team in

[Earlshog]

Pudge wasn't half the hitter of piazza, and I dont think I've heard much at all about him and roids, Only pudge. Pizza will get in way before

They are a lot closer then you think. Look at Pudges stats. Overall Pudge was the better player.

[Earlshog]

Current players who are going to be automatic:

Manny, Thome, Big Hurt, A-Rod, Griffey.

Current players who have the stats but may be seen as problematic because of roids/attitude:

Bonds, Sosa, Sheffield

Possible:

Delgado, Chipper Jones

Here's someone interesting:

Fred McGriff. 493 home runs. Won a ring with the braves. Baseball skills video. *finger point*

I don't think Thome is a lock right now. He may wind up with 600 would would make him a lock.

I think Chipper will get in not so many great thirdbase men. DelGado is going to have a tough time cause of his position.

[Snoogans]

Yea but overall doesn't matter as much. Basically, so it seems, most guys get the 75% hitting 25% fielding values, with the few exceptions of guys like Ozzie Smith who were just too good. Piazza's HR record counts way more then anything non hitting that Pudge did

[Earlshog]

Wha? I've never heard any allegations about that with Piazza. I've heard... OTHER allegations about Piazza, but never about HGH.

oh yeah and that should keep him out to... :tongue:

[Snoogans]

I missed Thome on your list. I wouldn't put him in right now. They did some big thing about his HOF chances on ESPN and actually made a better case for Frank Thomas then Thome

[Freitag]

You have a better chance of seeing Dave in the HOF for his JV numbers at CBA then seeing Canseco in that Hall

I looked at the list of 390+ HR hitters. Here's who's not in: (This is just at first glance, paying attention to modern players, I may be leaving stuff out.)

Rank Player (2007 HRs) HR
1 Barry Bonds (28) 762
2 Hank Aaron 755
3 Babe Ruth 714
4 Willie Mays 660
5 Sammy Sosa (21) 609
6 Ken Griffey, Jr. (30) 593
7 Frank Robinson 586
8 Mark McGwire 583
9 Harmon Killebrew 573
10 Rafael Palmeiro 569
11 Reggie Jackson 563
12 Mike Schmidt 548
13 Mickey Mantle 536
14 Jimmie Foxx 534
15 Willie McCovey 521
Ted Williams 521
17 Alex Rodriguez (54) 518
18 Frank Thomas (26) 513
19 Ernie Banks 512
Eddie Mathews 512
21 Mel Ott 511
22 Jim Thome (35) 507
23 Eddie Murray 504
24 Lou Gehrig 493
Fred McGriff 493
26 Manny Ramírez (20) 490
27 Gary Sheffield (25) 480
28 Stan Musial 475
Willie Stargell 475
30 Dave Winfield 465
31 José Canseco 462
32 Carl Yastrzemski 452
33 Jeff Bagwell 449
34 Dave Kingman 442
35 Andre Dawson 438
36 Juan González 434
37 Carlos Delgado (24) 431
Cal Ripken, Jr. 431
39 Mike Piazza (8) 427
40 Billy Williams 426 - Dunno who he is
41 Darrell Evans 414 - Ditto
42 Duke Snider 407
43 Andrés Galarraga 399
Al Kaline 399
45 Dale Murphy 398
46 Joe Carter 396
47 Graig Nettles 390
48 Johnny Bench 389

As far as I can tell, the only 2 recognizable players from the modern era who have hit 400+ HRs and haven't gotten in are Canseco and Kingman, for obvious attitude reasons, and Juan-Gone and Raffy has the roids issue.

[Snoogans]

Kingman's also might be cause he struck out 37000 times

[Snoogans]

I'll be so happy when Griffey gets to 600. I personally believe injury free, that is 800 he is approaching

[Earlshog]

Yea but overall doesn't matter as much. Basically, so it seems, most guys get the 75% hitting 25% fielding values, with the few exceptions of guys like Ozzie Smith who were just too good. Piazza's HR record counts way more then anything non hitting that Pudge did

Pudge was the best defensive player during his tenure and gunned people down. Piazza was good def catcher but couldn't throw out Billy Staples. Pudge had 1300 more at bats 150 more runs 350 more hits 150 more doubles 40 more triples 100 more stolen bases. Batting average is pretty much a wash Piazza has him by .40 obp He has one ring to Piazzas none.

Piazza has 150 more homers and RBI's amd 300 more walks.


I'd take Pudge

[JPMNICK]

Pudge was the best defensive player during his tenure and gunned people down. Piazza was good def catcher but couldn't throw out Billy Staples. Pudge had 1300 more at bats 150 more runs 350 more hits 150 more doubles 40 more triples 100 more stolen bases. Batting average is pretty much a wash Piazza has him by .40 obp He has one ring to Piazzas none.

Piazza has 150 more homers and RBI's amd 300 more walks.


I'd take Pudge

I think they both make it.

[Snoogans]

I guess we shouldn't argue this. They are both in

[Freitag]

Dale Murphy's not in, I don't think.

And Gallaraga still isn't eleigible, I believe.

[Earlshog]

I looked at the list of 390+ HR hitters. Here's who's not in: (This is just at first glance, paying attention to modern players, I may be leaving stuff out.)

Rank Player (2007 HRs) HR
1 Barry Bonds (28) 762
2 Hank Aaron 755
3 Babe Ruth 714
4 Willie Mays 660
5 Sammy Sosa (21) 609
6 Ken Griffey, Jr. (30) 593
7 Frank Robinson 586
8 Mark McGwire 583
9 Harmon Killebrew 573
10 Rafael Palmeiro 569
11 Reggie Jackson 563
12 Mike Schmidt 548
13 Mickey Mantle 536
14 Jimmie Foxx 534
15 Willie McCovey 521
Ted Williams 521
17 Alex Rodriguez (54) 518
18 Frank Thomas (26) 513
19 Ernie Banks 512
Eddie Mathews 512
21 Mel Ott 511
22 Jim Thome (35) 507
23 Eddie Murray 504
24 Lou Gehrig 493
Fred McGriff 493
26 Manny Ramírez (20) 490
27 Gary Sheffield (25) 480
28 Stan Musial 475
Willie Stargell 475
30 Dave Winfield 465
31 José Canseco 462
32 Carl Yastrzemski 452
33 Jeff Bagwell 449
34 Dave Kingman 442
35 Andre Dawson 438
36 Juan González 434
37 Carlos Delgado (24) 431
Cal Ripken, Jr. 431
39 Mike Piazza (8) 427
40 Billy Williams 426 - Dunno who he is
41 Darrell Evans 414 - Ditto
42 Duke Snider 407
43 Andrés Galarraga 399
Al Kaline 399
45 Dale Murphy 398
46 Joe Carter 396
47 Graig Nettles 390
48 Johnny Bench 389

As far as I can tell, the only 2 recognizable players from the modern era who have hit 400+ HRs and haven't gotten in are Canseco and Kingman, for obvious attitude reasons, and Juan-Gone and Raffy has the roids issue.

Darrell Evans will not get in. Is Andre Dawson in?

[A.J.]

I'll be so happy when Griffey gets to 600. I personally believe injury free, that is 800 he is approaching

Amen.

[Snoogans]

Jim Rice Fuckers

[Snoogans]

from Wiki:
Currently, there are 19 left fielders in the Baseball Hall of Fame. If compared against these players, Rice would rank sixth in home runs, ninth in RBIs, and 14th in both batting average and hits. While Rice is generally regarded as being one of the better hitters of his era, he has not yet received enough votes cast by the BBWAA in a given year to be elected to the Hall of Fame. However, during the course of his continuing eligibility period, he has received over 3100 total votes, which is the second most ever collected by any player. In 2006[13] and 2007[14], he received over 63% of votes cast. His last year of BBWAA voting eligibility will be in 2008, which would place him on the 2009 ballot.

[Earlshog]

Dale Murphy's not in, I don't think.

And Gallaraga still isn't eleigible, I believe.

no and neither of them will make it...

[Freitag]

Darrell Evans will not get in. Is Andre Dawson in?

No, but speculation is that it will be his, Rice's, and Gossage's year next year.

[Snoogans]

I personally would put in Bagwell. He was amazing and lost alot of time and ability to injuries, but still put up pretty damn good stats

[Earlshog]

I guess we shouldn't argue this. They are both in


oh I agree 100 % I just wanted to point out that IRod is toe to toe offensively with Piazza.

[Snoogans]

No, but speculation is that it will be his, Rice's, and Gossage's year next year.

I'm not too worried about Rice. The debate has gone on so long they will prob vote him in his last year and if not, the veterans commitee will eventually put him in. The wait is what sucks for him

[Earlshog]

No, but speculation is that it will be his, Rice's, and Gossage's year next year.

is this part of the reperations?

[Snoogans]

oh I agree 100 % I just wanted to point out that IRod is toe to toe offensively with Piazza.

he was also definately on roids. All Piazza was on was pure cock

[Earlshog]

he was also definately on roids. All Piazza was on was pure cock

ha-ha... he was getting his testosterone strait from the tap....

[underdog]

from Wiki:
Currently, there are 19 left fielders in the Baseball Hall of Fame. If compared against these players, Rice would rank sixth in home runs, ninth in RBIs, and 14th in both batting average and hits. While Rice is generally regarded as being one of the better hitters of his era, he has not yet received enough votes cast by the BBWAA in a given year to be elected to the Hall of Fame. However, during the course of his continuing eligibility period, he has received over 3100 total votes, which is the second most ever collected by any player. In 2006[13] and 2007[14], he received over 63% of votes cast. His last year of BBWAA voting eligibility will be in 2008, which would place him on the 2009 ballot.

Jim Rice's numbers were amazingly inflated by playing in Fenway. His OPS was like .150 LOWER on the road than in Fenway. He hit over .040 lower on the road than in Fenway.

[JPMNICK]

Jim Rice's numbers were amazingly inflated by playing in Fenway. His OPS was like .150 LOWER on the road than in Fenway. He hit over .040 lower on the road than in Fenway.

now you start getting into a home field thing, like was brought up about the guys who played in Colorado

[Crippler]

Jim Rice's numbers were amazingly inflated by playing in Fenway. His OPS was like .150 LOWER on the road than in Fenway. He hit over .040 lower on the road than in Fenway.

He was still the most feared batter in my memory of the late 70s & early 80s Red Sox/Yankees rivalry & was .300, 30, 100 for a straight decade. There's no excuse for him not to be in the Hall, no matter how much of a dick he was to the media.

[ChrisTheCop]

so. how about that game last night?

[JPMNICK]

so. how about that game last night?

we are concentrating on the next game in 2 hours

[TheGameHHH]

this 5:30 start time sucks balls

[BoondockSaint]

Is A-Rod hitting 8th yet?

[Bulldogcakes]

lets Go Yankees!!!!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Fausto has started off fasto.

[TheGameHHH]

great job by A.P. to go out there and match the zero.

[Bulldogcakes]

i also think Clemens is/was a juicer. for some reason i feel his name is being protected, but after he's out of the game for a few years, something will surface.

Maybe, but its just as likely his name gets spread around because of how effective he is at his age, and the legions of hitters he's thrown chin music at.

As to the age part, his boyhood idol was Nolan Ryan and nobody doubts his training regimen. So like Ryan, its plausible he's kept his stuff through hard work. I know there have been lots of smoke around Clemens but again, don't forget he's made a lot of enemies. Lots of people WANT his name to show up, regardless of the facts.

All of that said, you can't be surprised nowadays if ANYONE turns up juicing.

[Bulldogcakes]

great job by A.P. to go out there and match the zero.

Yeah, Andy looked sharp. Even that first hit was pretty much a hard ground ball that found a hole. If Andy's getting grounders, he's in good shape. You can usually tell right away with him.

[BoondockSaint]

Why would Quenn Latifah throw out the first pitch in Cleveland?

[Bulldogcakes]

Quick side story on Kenny Lofton. He stuck his finger up my friends ass when she met him one night in Chicago. They weren't even hooking up, they were hugging goodbye and he reached around and shoved his hand down the back of he pants and put his finger in her ass. Kenny Lofton fingers butts, don't make him a bad person though.

Queen Latifa just said she's "very good friends" with Kenny Lofton.

BTW-Didn't Suzyn say yesterday that he and Jeter had "dinner" the other night?

[Bulldogcakes]

Melk Man!!!!

[TheGameHHH]

You Do Not Run On Melky

[TheGameHHH]

Queen Latifa just said she's "very good friends" with Kenny Lofton.

BTW-Didn't Suzyn say yesterday that he and Jeter had "dinner" the other night?

Queen Latifa loves fingers in her butt.

MELKY IS AMAZING

[Bulldogcakes]

Melk Man!!!!

AGAIN!!

[BoondockSaint]

It's amazing how many times you see a guy make a great play to end an inning and they get a big hit in the next half inning.

[Bulldogcakes]

Don't give it right back Andy.

Please.

EDIT-YES! NICE JOB ANDY!

[TheGameHHH]

Don't give it right back Andy.

Please.

EDIT-YES! NICE JOB ANDY!

if theres one man we need to have faith in its him.

[JPMNICK]

That was a really nice strike to end that inning. those last 2 pitches were nasty

[TheGameHHH]

Ryan Garko literally robbed the Yanks........that was a sick play

[Bulldogcakes]

Andy's been terrific. He's at 61 pitches, so if he keeps on rolling he should get to the 7th.

This is one of the rare playoff games where I'm enjoying watching the pitcher pitch more than the Yankee hitters at the plate.

[TheGameHHH]

Andy's been terrific. He's at 61 pitches, so if he keeps on rolling he should get to the 7th.

This is one of the rare playoff games where I'm enjoying watching the pitcher pitch more than the Yankee hitters at the plate.

yes, he has been. but i feel like its a little unfair that he has to keep going out there and throwing up zeros (even though thats always a pitchers job). the bats need to get going to give andy some breathing room.

[Bulldogcakes]

Refresh my memory from little league. Isn't it "The Dumbest play in baseball" when you make the last out at 3rd base? or "Never make the first or last out at 3rd" to put it another way.

Thank you Kenny. Check's in the mail.

[TheGameHHH]

Refresh my memory from little league. Isn't it "The Dumbest play in baseball" when you make the last out at 3rd base? or "Never make the first or last out at 3rd" to put it another way.

Thank you Kenny. Check's in the mail.

yep.......thats an absolute sin in baseball. never make the 1st or last out at 3rd base.

[lleeder]

Frank Thomas is awful on panel.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wow. What a job by Andy.

and still at only 80 pitches. He could very well go into the 8th.

[TheGameHHH]

please please please put a run on the board in this top half.

[lleeder]

This guy is pitching his balls off. Can we please get Andy a little help here?

[lleeder]

Matsui needs to sit down. Put in Giambi.

[TheGameHHH]

let's get Joba up and throwing

[Bulldogcakes]

Wow was that close.

[Bulldogcakes]

Matsui needs to sit down. Put in Giambi.

Thank you.

[lleeder]

let's get Joba up and throwing

Nice call. I can't believe its at the point we're pitching around Lofton :wacko:.

[Bulldogcakes]

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/bronx/yankeestadium/game/13homerun.jpg

Thank you Andy

[TheGameHHH]

Nice call. I can't believe its at the point we're pitching around Lofton :wacko:.

honestly, the last person i wanted up at bat there was Lofton. it was the smart move walking him.

[lleeder]

honestly, the last person i wanted up at bat there was Lofton. it was the smart move walking him.

I agree but its just strange. A-rod strikes out on three strait pitches and Lofton is unstoppable.

[BoondockSaint]

Those bugs would drive me insane.

[samnyc]

Those bugs are disgusting.

[Bulldogcakes]

This is fucking ridiculous.

[Fezticle98]

Wild Thing!

[Tenbatsuzen]

All I have running through my head is those fucking retards singing that goddamn insects song.

[ChrisTheCop]

new joba rule:

no insects.

[underdog]

JOBA RULES! :clap:

[TheGameHHH]

i seriously can not believe this, it's almost as if God doesn't want the Yankees to advance.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This just in, Lake Erie is running red with blood.

[ChrisTheCop]

i seriously can not believe this, it's almost as if God doesn't want the Yankees to advance.

well, he didnt give anyone on the team cancer this year.
what else do you want?

[Bulldogcakes]

Torre should have pulled him 2 batters ago.

Edit-Glad I was wrong

[ChrisTheCop]

Torre should have pulled him 2 batters ago. This is not going to end well.

as long as it ends by 830.

[Bossanova]

as long as it ends by 830.

The game will be on TNT if it goes long

[Bulldogcakes]

I cant fucking believe these playing conditions. Cleveland should be nuked.

[ChrisTheCop]

The game will be on TNT if it goes long

THE game? or this one?

[Bossanova]

THE game? or this one?

HAHA, THE game

[DarkHippie]

Fuckin Arod is such a choke artist. He went into a slump before his 500 homerun too. He just cant hit when there's that kind of pressure on him.

[stickyfingers]

for only pennies a day you can help these kids remember how to hit

[TheGameHHH]

the yanks need to put up a run here in the 10th because if they don't their bullpen will blow it in the 11th.

[Bossanova]

I would have pinch hit right here.

[Bulldogcakes]

Mo threw only 7 pitches. Nice.

We might need him for a few more innings. He hasn't thrown since last week, off day tomorrow, he'll live.

Wedge used Perez for 2 innings last night. He was great, but he might be tired. Same for Betancourt.

Please bench Matsui. I can't look at him after last night. Get Giambi in there. At least he'll draw a walk.

[Bossanova]

Joe has to stop being loyal. Matsui can not play in game 3

[Kevin]

Mo threw only 7 pitches. Nice.

We might need him for a few more innings. He hasn't thrown since last week, off day tomorrow, he'll live.

Wedge used Perez for 2 innings last night. He was great, but he might be tired. Same for Betancourt.

Please bench Matsui. I can't look at him after last night. Get Giambi in there. At least he'll draw a walk.

Naw.. When a player has a bad game.. YOU MOVE HIM UP IN THE LINUP.. Right?? He will be batting cleanup sunday..

[stickyfingers]

I can see a pitcher balking when someone gets on due to the bugs

[mdr55]

sticky!!!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

the yanks need to put up a run here in the 10th because if they don't their bullpen will blow it in the 11th.

Yep, and that's your season right there.

I can't believe our season will be decided by gnats.

[Bulldogcakes]

Naw.. When a player has a bad game.. YOU MOVE HIM UP IN THE LINUP.. Right?? He will be batting cleanup sunday..

Kev, I gave up on making sense of him a long time ago.

At least we won't have to worry about Torre anymore if we lose.

[TheGameHHH]

Yep, and that's your season right there.

I can't believe our season will be decided by gnats.

me neither, i will always blame this season on bugs. and the fact that i'm convinced God now hates the Yankees.

[Bulldogcakes]

Joe has to stop being loyal. Matsui can not play in game 3

Loyalty is more important than winning games.

Plus, he's one of 'Torre's guys' which . . . . . . again, has nothing to do with winning baseball games.

[Bulldogcakes]

me neither, i will always blame this season on bugs. and the fact that i'm convinced God now hates the Yankees.

Were the Bosox fans right? Did they "Reverse the curse" in 04?

I would think a perfectly good curse would need to get out once in a while. Can't just hang out in Chicago all the time. :wink:

[stickyfingers]

sticky!!!!!

Thanks for noticing man! It has been quite some time hasn't it.

[TheGameHHH]

Were the Bosox fans right? Did they "Reverse the curse" in 04?

I would think a perfectly good curse would need to get out once in a while. Can't just hang out in Chicago all the time. :wink:

it seems that way doesn't it?

[zildjian361]

This is fucking ridiculous.
it only happens to us.:smoke::drunk:

[TheGameHHH]

the UMPIRE just told Sizemore to run there, is that legal?

[spoon]

Thanks for noticing man! It has been quite some time hasn't it.

Who the fuck is Sticky!?



What's up Clubber Lang!?

http://static.flickr.com/122/272235490_ea99970576.jpg

[spoon]

the UMPIRE just told Sizemore to run there, is that legal?

Man I was nervous for Grady....and the ump!

[TheGameHHH]

Man I was nervous for Grady....and the ump!

you cant make fun of me in these pressure situations........i get too nervous

[spoon]

me neither, i will always blame this season on bugs. and the fact that i'm convinced God now hates the Yankees.

Yah, bc the yanks never get breaks and the Indians aren't playing really well either. What's their payroll!?

[stickyfingers]

Who the fuck is Sticky!?



What's up Clubber Lang!?



That's a good one. A typical welcome back from Spoon. Good to see that's the first thing that pops in your mind.

Oh and Halladay fucked my fantasy team big time this year. I hold that against you too.

[spoon]

you cant make fun of me in these pressure situations........i get too nervous

OK, you finally made me laugh again. That's twice in four years!

[Bossanova]

I was just about to say something, but the Mets payroll is absurd and they are home

[Bossanova]

Way to argue Joe

[JPMNICK]

Thanks for noticing man! It has been quite some time hasn't it.

i thought you caught a beating at the horse track and never came back!

[Kevin]

Yah, bc the yanks never get breaks and the Indians aren't playing really well either. What's their payroll!?

http://www.rotoworld.com/images/headshots/MLB/3793.jpg






http://www.golfswingphotos.com/images/swingfinish2awatercolorweb.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

OK, you finally made me laugh again. That's twice in four years!

and now i can sleep well at night knowing i made you laugh.

[sailor]

go mo

[spoon]

That's a good one. A typical welcome back from Spoon. Good to see that's the first thing that pops in your mind.

Oh and Halladay fucked my fantasy team big time this year. I hold that against you too.

Doc didn't have his best year but he was really solid. I assume you picked him early and expected more?