New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[cougarjake13]

well the collapse is over


glavine said he wnats to be back but at this point fuck em we dont need him and he didnt do anything great in the 2nd half other than win his 300th game

el duque is probably gone

i'd look into keeping castillo over valentin at second, not sure what free agent second baseman there are out there


def need pitching, esp bullpen help

maybe sanchez will be back ???

[spoon]

I'ts f'n October already and thank God for NHL and NFL!!!

[Doogie]

Man this sucks. We definetly need to fix that bullpen. That pen is fucking awful. I hope they keep Castillo, he is a great addition. Played his ass off that last month.

[cougarjake13]

I'ts f'n October already and thank God for NHL and NFL!!!

yeh well the giants and chargers are looking so hot either

maybe the avs and rangers can bring some hope

[NickyL0885]

Ok, A) resign Alou. B) Lastings starts in RF. C)Pelfrey is the fith started, let glavine walk or get someone else, depending on the market. Pedro, Maine, Perez and Hernandez are there. D)Get rid of Delgado. E) Resign LoDuca. F)Re-do the pen. Keep Wagner, Heilmann, Feliciano, Smith, and maybe Sosa. G) Have Milledge, Pelfrey, Humber, Smith, and Gomez play in winter leagues/fall leagues.

Also, its not Willies fault. He didnt blow the leads, he didnt let up 7 runs in the first inning today.

[cougarjake13]

Man this sucks. We definetly need to fix that bullpen. That pen is fucking awful. I hope they keep Castillo, he is a great addition. Played his ass off that last month.

hopefully sanchez injury is healed, mota needs to get the fuck outta here, schoenweiiss is shit, heilman is spotty at times and wagners is a bag of shit

[Bossanova]

Fuck every 40+ year old guy. Maybe only hold on to Alou. Blow up the bull pen, look for some starting pitching. look into Reyes' head, and stop being loyal.

[NickyL0885]

I fault omar for this b/c of him being loyal to certain players he likes or has a relationship with. Stop just signing latinos b/c u can speak there language. get players who are good.

[Doogie]

Fuck every 40+ year old guy. Maybe only hold on to Alou. Blow up the bull pen, look for some starting pitching. look into Reyes' head, and stop being loyal.

I am almost in that boat. Just fucking pissed at what happened. But I say trade those vets for some young guys and rebuild the farm system again. I would also look into getting Kazimir back, fucking Duguette!!

I have to admit that I am too pissed to think clearly right now. Ill come back to this thread when my head is clear.

[spoon]

yeh well the giants and chargers are looking so hot either

maybe the avs and rangers can bring some hope

Chargers will be fine.

[Bossanova]

One more thing. I love the charisma and energy. Make this fucking team mature over the off season. Enough with the fucking over celebrating, taunting, and snapping over every call

[cougarjake13]

I am almost in that boat. Just fucking pissed at what happened. But I say trade those vets for some young guys and rebuild the farm system again. I would also look into getting Kazimir back, fucking Duguette!!

I have to admit that I am too pissed to think clearly right now. Ill come back to this thread when my head is clear.

i would fucking love if they could get kaz back

but the only way that happens is if kaz decides not to resign, not a huge stretch since the d rays dont wanna spend money, but im not sure when his contract is up and its doubtful that they will trade kaz away

[lleeder]

i would fucking love if they could get kaz back

but the only way that happens is if kaz decides not to resign, not a huge stretch since the d rays dont wanna spend money, but im not sure when his contract is up and its doubtful that they will trade kaz away

Kazmir will not be leaving Tampa without them getting some prospects back. Plus he really isn't a great solution right now since he lasts about 5-6 innings.

[TheGameHHH]

will willie keep his job? somebody has to be at fault for this monster collapse.

[Kevin]

It was pretty funny.. Yanks beat Kazmir one day, and then knocked around Zambrano the day after... Just thought it was pretty wierd...

And honestly, if you told me in late may that 1 NY team won't make the playoffs.. I would have bet the house on the Yankee not making it.. Just a remarkable turn around..

Edit.. Listening to Mad Dog.. What a fucking bushleauge move by SNY chucking the Mets post game... You reveled in Mets success all year, now suck it up and take your lumps when your down.. YES is terrible, but even they do not do this..

[cougarjake13]

Kazmir will not be leaving Tampa without them getting some prospects back. Plus he really isn't a great solution right now since he lasts about 5-6 innings.

the owners down here have said they will look into keeping kazmir and james shields if the money is right, which means if they want too much they will be gone

[Bossanova]

I like Willie, but he really bugs me in interviews sometimes. Who is he Bill Belichek? Answer a fucking question, and stop sugar coating everything

[lleeder]

It was pretty funny.. Yanks beat Kazmir one day, and then knocked around Zambrano the day after... Just thought it was pretty wierd...

And honestly, if you told me in late may that 1 NY team won't make the playoffs.. I would have bet the house on the Yankee not making it.. Just a remarkable turn around..

Edit.. Listening to Mad Dog.. What a fucking bushleauge move by SNY chucking the Mets post game... You reveled in Mets success all year, now suck it up and take your lumps when your down.. YES is terrible, but even they do not do this..

Thats true YES would be doing wrap around 4 hour postgame.

[spoon]

[QUOTE=Kevin;1473715]
And honestly, if you told me in late may that 1 NY team won't make the playoffs.. I would have bet the house on the Yankee not making it.. Just a remarkable turn around..
......[QUOTE]

Wait, you came in here to brag....douchbag!

[Bulldogcakes]

Thats true YES would be doing wrap around 4 hour postgame.

And we'd get about 50 zillion shots of Torre's hang dog look and crying shtick till it made us puke.

[Bossanova]

Omar would not answer the question if Willie would stay. All he said was he looks at Willie's 3 years here

[Bulldogcakes]

Omar would not answer the question if Willie would stay. All he said was he looks at Willie's 3 years here

He followed that with "Willies job is safe, unless I can find a hispanic to replace him"

[Bossanova]

He followed that with "Willies job is safe, unless I can find a hispanic to replace him" later on.

Thank you, I must have missed that .

[Bulldogcakes]

Thank you, I must have missed that .

Thats pretty much his answer to every question. He would like to replace Fred Wilpon with Artie Moreno if he could.

[Bossanova]

Thats pretty much his answer to every question. He would like to replace Fred Wilpon with Artie Moreno if he could.

Oh yes he would. I am actually getting tired of Omar's act

[spoon]

And I give the Phils a ton more credit than I do the yanks for making the playoffs. Sure the Mets had issues of late, but they played well down the stretch.

The yanks on the other hand just played so piss poor early and finally lived up to the money they pay out by paying out more. And who did they beat with all that money, the Tigers, for the wildcard. Go Indians!

[Bossanova]

And I give the Phils a ton more credit than I do the yanks for making the playoffs. Sure the Mets had issues of late, but they played well down the stretch.

The yanks on the other hand just played so piss poor early and finally lived up to the money they pay out by paying out more. And who did they beat with all that money, the Tigers, for the wildcard. Go Indians!

I have to agree. The Phils played their asses off in the last three months. They deserve this way more than the Yanks, and def more than if the Mets would have won

[cougarjake13]

I have to agree. The Phils played their asses off in the last three months. They deserve this way more than the Yanks, and def more than if the Mets would have won

dont care

i hate the phillies, i hate the yankees and i hate anyone thats not the mets and since they are done til i see them in port st lucie in february



baseball is fucking dead to me

[Bulldogcakes]

And I give the Phils a ton more credit than I do the yanks for making the playoffs. Sure the Mets had issues of late, but they played well down the stretch.

Mets were 5-13 in their last 18 games. I have no idea what you're talking about. This is the worst collapse in baseball history. Worse than the 64 Phillies or 78 Red Sox. 78 Red Sox took a month and a half, 64 Phillies was less games ahead.

Edit-Did you mean the Phillies played well?

[Doogie]

don't care

i hate the Phillies, i hate the Yankees and i hate anyone thats not the mets and since they are done til i see them in port st lucie in february



baseball is fucking dead to me

I agree with you bro. I am so incensed right now I wrote about it on the other thread:

My fucking hand is bleeding right now from punching the shit out of my dresser and then punching the shit out of my steering wheel. My fucking brother keeps calling me up thinking he is fucking funny all "Ohhh all you met fans, blah blah blah."

What pisses me off about that is the ass cock douche fuck was a Met fan until 1996, now he is a Yankee fan. I am in just such a rage right now that I dont need to hear antagonistic things. I swear, if someone so much as looks at me wrong right now I will fucking rip their fucking ears off, pull out their intestines and make a necklace out of them

[lleeder]

5-13 in their last 18 games. I have no idea what you're talking about. This is the worst collapse in baseball history. Worse than the 64 Phillies or 78 Red Sox. 78 Red Sox took a month and a half, 64 Phillies was less games ahead.

By well down the stetch, he meant having a 1-6 home stand to end the season.

[cougarjake13]

i hope everyone involved with the mets either dies in a car crash or plane crash

and maybe we can detain all these spics at their respective borders and not let them come back

[lleeder]

i hope everyone involved with the mets either dies in a car crash or plane crash

and maybe we can detain all these spics at their respective borders and not let them come back

What if a plane crashes into a bus and falls into a cruise ship?

[Doogie]

i hope everyone involved with the mets either dies in a car crash or plane crash

and maybe we can detain all these spics at their respective borders and not let them come back

Jesus man, I know you are pissed but you dont need to go that far. What I wrote is venting and I wouldnt actually do what I said. It is shocking and it sucks, lets share the misery, but no need to drag in the racism.

[spoon]

I was talking about how the Phils earned it even though the mets stunk up the place. THEY played well. Come on.

[Doogie]

I was talking about how the Phils earned it even though the mets stunk up the place. THEY played well. Come on.

I gotta agree. And that is what has me incensed more. We can blame this and analyze that, but these guys had no fire in them. They didnt want it. The Phils did, and they followed through on their start of the year promise.

[lleeder]

When Glavine comes to Shea next year in that Braves uniform, he'll be the most hated opponent in Mets history.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/sportscollectoroz/Atlanta%20Braves/Pitchers/glavineatl2.jpg

[spoon]

16-6 in their last 22 including a three game sweep of the mets. That's pretty damn good and proves they never gave up. Rollins is definitely a good choice for mvp. Look at those stats, as a leadoff man. And his D isn't half bad either! I love the way he plays.

[Bossanova]

When Glavine comes to Shea next year in that Braves uniform, he'll be the most hated opponent in Mets history.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/sportscollectoroz/Atlanta%20Braves/Pitchers/glavineatl2.jpg

I hope he is in the uniform next year

[Bossanova]

16-6 in their last 22 including a three game sweep of the mets. That's pretty damn good and proves they never gave up. Rollins is definitely a good choice for mvp. Look at those stats, as a leadoff man. And his D isn't half bad either! I love the way he plays.

Rollins has to be the MVP

[spoon]

Chargers will be fine.

Fuck U Asshole! There in real deep shit now!

Marty
Marty
Marty
Marty!

[Kevin]

I was talking about how the Phils earned it even though the mets stunk up the place. THEY played well. Come on.

And the Yankees didn't??? They had the best fucking record in baseball after July 1st... BY FAR... The Phillies won 89 fucking games... In what division or WC in the AL do they even sniff the playoffs?? Find me a team that has played better than the Yanks?? How do the Phillies deserve it more than the Yanks?? And don't give me fucking payroll when a big chunk of the players that brought the Yankees here are Young home grown guys..

[Bossanova]

Fuck U Asshole! There in real deep shit now!

Marty
Marty
Marty
Marty!

WOW, Norn Turner is garbage. It does say a lot that LT loved Marty

[K.C.]

Honestly, as an outsider, the Mets need to fire Omar Minaya. He's who'd I blame more than anyone, for the moves he made (trading Bannister, signing Mota) to the moves he didn't (not getting pitching at the deadline). Whoever they bring as the next GM gets to make the call on Willie, whether they like Willie or want to start over with their own guy.

[lleeder]

Rollins has to be the MVP

What if Colorado wins tomorrow Matt Holliday has to get some votes?

[Bossanova]

And the Yankees didn't??? They had the best fucking record in baseball after July 1st... BY FAR... The Phillies won 89 fucking games... In what division or WC in the AL do they even sniff the playoffs?? Find me a team that has played better than the Yanks?? How do the Phillies deserve it more than the Yanks?? And don't give me fucking payroll when a big chunk of the players that brought the Yankees here are Young home grown guys..

Lets face it, the Yanks were going to get in. The Phils had to give it everything they hadand on the last day of the year they won the division. The Yanks played great, but they didn't have to depend on the Marlins

[K.C.]

What if Colorado wins tomorrow Matt Holliday has to get some votes?

He'll get votes, but Rollins will win.

If Colorado makes the playoffs, though, Clint Hurdle will edge out Manuel for Manager of the Year.

[Kevin]

Lets face it, the Yanks were going to get in. The Phils had to give it everything they hadand on the last day of the year they won the division. The Yanks played great, but they didn't have to depend on the Marlins

Who's fault is that?? The Yanks were like 9 games out of the WC at one point.. And they were dead as a door nail.. They took shit into their own hands and didn't need anyone to do their work for them.. They won 2of 3 3of 4 basically every series from July on.. Yanks were not handed nothing.. They earned this WC by winning most of their games.. Det was ON FIRE for about 2 weeks there at the end.. But the Yanks kept winning until Det fizzled out.. Yanks don't continue to win, they were not going to make it.. The lead was like 2 to 3 games for most of that time. Det won like a ridiculous 9- of 10 or something.. At one point in sept.. If it werent for the Mets basically handing them the DIV by losing 8 in a row to them, they would be long gone.. At the point the only team they were beating was the Mets.. I remember the sweep at Philly, after that they lost like 5 in a row.. But then they came to shea and swept them again.. Please this was MOST Mets.. And some Philly.

[spoon]

And the Yankees didn't??? They had the best fucking record in baseball after July 1st... BY FAR... The Phillies won 89 fucking games... In what division or WC in the AL do they even sniff the playoffs?? Find me a team that has played better than the Yanks?? How do the Phillies deserve it more than the Yanks?? And don't give me fucking payroll when a big chunk of the players that brought the Yankees here are Young home grown guys..

Are you really trying to make the yanks a feel good story!!?? Hahahahaha. The Phils haven't won a division in 14 years and the city hasn't won a championship in ages. Give me a fucking break homer. Yes, they played like their money should allow them and you won't change my fucking mind on it at all. The only thing they salvaged was not being the worst/highest paid team in MLB history, yet they still had to get there through the wildcard. Your "big" chunk of new players from home get to play roles around millionaires with little to no fucking pressure at all. I can't fucking wait until they lose in the playoffs once again. I love the taste of Torre's tears, sad tears.

[Bossanova]

Holliday is great, but it comes down to overcoming 7 games and winning the division. You also can't overlook the 20,20,20,20 season

It has to be Rollins

[TheGameHHH]

i dont really care either way, but i find it weird that everyone is sucking the Phillies cock about how badly they "wanted it" without mentioning that the Mets literally gave it to them. i dont think philly won it so much as the Mets lost it. up 7 with 17 to play should be a lock. you dont make up that ground by winning, you make it up with that AND the other team shitting themselves (which is what the Mets did).

[spoon]

Who's fault is that?? The Yanks were like 9 games out of the WC at one point.. And they were dead as a door nail.. They took shit into their own hands and didn't need anyone to do their work for them.. They won 2of 3 3of 4 basically every series from July on.. Yanks were not handed nothing.. They earned this WC by winning most of their games.. Det was ON FIRE for about 2 weeks there at the end.. But the Yanks kept winning until Det fizzled out.. Yanks don't continue to win, they were not going to make it.. The lead was like 2 to 3 games for most of that time. Det won like a ridiculous 9- of 10 or something.. At one point in sept..

9 games back when Kevin? When half of you give up on Torre and the yanks every year around May/June. Keep ranting about your amazing 230 million dollar surprise shockers!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo.

[Kevin]

And Bulldog Your STILL DEAD WRONG. 04 was far worse than This... 04 might never happen again.. This will prob happen again.. Someone will blow another big div lead..

[spoon]

I was talking about how the Phils earned it even though the mets stunk up the place. THEY played well. Come on.

Hbox

[Bossanova]

i dont really care either way, but i find it weird that everyone is sucking the Phillies cock about how badly they "wanted it" without mentioning that the Mets literally gave it to them. i dont think philly won it so much as the Mets lost it. up 7 with 17 to play should be a lock. you dont make up that ground by winning, you make it up with that AND the other team shitting themselves (which is what the Mets did).

Oh no, the Mets gave it away. But yes the Phils still had to win a shit load of games. And they won when it counted. And my beloved Mets suck a huge cock when the pressure was on

[Kevin]

9 games back when Kevin? When half of you give up on Torre and the yanks every year around May/June. Keep ranting about your amazing 230 million dollar surprise shockers!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo.

Where does that change the fact that they hauled ass and won this?? And Yes i wanted Torre fired.. BECAUSE HE WAS AND IS AWFUL. And no i never gave up.. Did i think it was a long shot?? Yea.. but never gave up.

[Bulldogcakes]

Lets face it, the Yanks were going to get in. The Phils had to give it everything they hadand on the last day of the year they won the division. The Yanks played great, but they didn't have to depend on the Marlins

Lets face it, the Mets had a 7 game lead in the middle of September. If anyone should have made it, its them. They play .500 ball and none of this happens.

[TheGameHHH]

Where does that change the fact that they hauled ass and won this?? And Yes i wanted Torre fired.. BECAUSE HE WAS AND IS AWFUL. And no i never gave up.. Did i think it was a long shot?? Yea.. but never gave up.

The Yankees won 73 of their final 112 games.........id say thats playing hard and "wanting it". yes it was a long shot but they did it

[Bossanova]

Lets face it, the Mets had a 7 game lead in the middle of September. If anyone should have made it, its them. They play .500 ball and none of this happens.

Trust me, I put full blame on the Mets. This team had the NL pennant in their grasp and they gave it all away. The desrve all the bashing they get. This immature team played like it.

[Bulldogcakes]

i dont really care either way, but i find it weird that everyone is sucking the Phillies cock about how badly they "wanted it" without mentioning that the Mets literally gave it to them. i dont think philly won it so much as the Mets lost it. up 7 with 17 to play should be a lock. you dont make up that ground by winning, you make it up with that AND the other team shitting themselves (which is what the Mets did).

I think HHH nailed it. You need alot of things to happen to make history like this.

[Bulldogcakes]

And Bulldog Your STILL DEAD WRONG. 04 was far worse than This... 04 might never happen again.. This will prob happen again.. Someone will blow another big div lead..

At least they got there and won the ALDS round. Sorry, this would feel much emptier to me. No one can expect to get into the World Series, the Met fans had every right to expect they'd be in the playoffs.

[Kevin]

The Yankees won 73 of their final 112 games.........id say thats playing hard and "wanting it". yes it was a long shot but they did it

Exactly.. I respect Spoony.. He is usually very fair with criticism and his praises.. But to say that any other team deserved it more then the Yankees is crazy talk.

[K.C.]

i dont really care either way, but i find it weird that everyone is sucking the Phillies cock about how badly they "wanted it" without mentioning that the Mets literally gave it to them. i dont think philly won it so much as the Mets lost it. up 7 with 17 to play should be a lock. you dont make up that ground by winning, you make it up with that AND the other team shitting themselves (which is what the Mets did).

The Phillies played dominant ball down the stretch. And part of that 7 with 17 was a three game sweep of the Mets by the Phillies at Shea which started the whole slide.

In fact, the Phillies won the last eight in the season series vs. the Mets.

So, it's easily as much of a Phillies achievement as a Mets collapse.


And had the Mets not collapsed and won the division, the Phils would be in a three-way playoff with the Padres and Rockies...so they played good ball.

[Bossanova]

Exactly.. I respect Spoony.. He is usually very fair with criticism and his praises.. But to say that any other team deserved it more then the Yankees is crazy talk.

I think Spoon is right because the Yanks should be in the playoffs. The Phils watched everyone say how it was the Mets league. They never gave up and they won the DIVISION. ARod and the Yanks won the wild card. As they should get respect, they didn't overcome the lead that the Phils did. Yanks deserved it the second most. OK

[Kevin]

At least they got there and won the ALDS round. Sorry, this would feel much emptier to me. No one can expect to get into the World Series, the Met fans had every right to expect they'd be in the playoffs.


Huh.. You just won 19-8 and are up 3-0 and You DON'T expect to get into the WS?? In what planet Bully?? The Redsox looked absaloutly dead.. In fact some of them went in the Yankee locker rooms to congradulate the Yanks after game 3.. Come on Bully.. I love ya but you are dead wrong here.. You ask 20 years 50 years from now what people remember more.. This Mets collapse or 04 Yanks Sox.. A good 70% will say Yanks Sox.. You ask young kids what do you hear about more 78.. or Buckner 86They will say Buckner .. Its no contest.

[newport king]

i'm just going to repost a paragraph i left in the other thread..for kevin and bulldog.

i like how yankee fans are on here equating this to being somehow worse than the yanks losing 4 straight to boston. Their most hated rivals... With rivera on the mound...Two straight nights... Then watching them celebrate at yankee stadium... in a final game blowout...Then watching them sweep the world series...Forever losing the 1918 chant.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Mets played not to lose, instead of playing to win


the young kids will have many chances to make the playoffs


it hurts, but hey Shit Happens

I have 3 other sports to fall back on

most teams are done in August


Who am I kidding , Hawk get me the big Knife...

:king:

[Bossanova]

I just saw a clip og Glavine on my tv and I spit on his face

[Doctor Z]

The '04 ALCS is still the worst collapse in baseball history. There have also been much bigger leads blown (ie - 14.5 in 1978, and almost again in 2007). But in terms of lead size and timespan (7.5 games with 17 games left), this is the worst in regular season history.

List Of Epic Collapses (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070930&content_id=2241903&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

[newport king]

funny enough though, this didn't hurt nearly as much as beltran not taking the bat off his shoulder against wainwright.

[ADF]

Anyone comparing the Mets collapse to the Yankees loss to Boston is out of their mind. The Mets collapse is a terrible choke.. the Yankees loss is the worst choke in sports history.

[lleeder]

Anyone comparing the Mets collapse to the Yankees loss to Boston is out of their mind. The Mets collapse is a terrible choke.. the Yankees loss is the worst choke in sports history.

It must be a big collapse if it got you to post here again.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, so much for the reunion buddays. Seriously, sorry for your loss. I was pulling for ya.

Buy hey, it took longer than usual, but now, once again... its time for all Mets fans to join:

http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/metsox.jpg

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Doogie]

I wish I could share those sentiments Chris, but it is just too hard to do that. It is like learning a friend got a cancer diagnosis and within a month they are dead. Maybe Ill get some more vigor as the playoffs progress, but for now, I am sitting shiva. I have my picture of Casey Stengel all covered up too.

[Ritalin]

As a casual Mets fan (living in Queens for 13 years and hating the Yankees), I think this collapse is Karmic payback for Shawn Estes.

Shawn Estes, who floated a changeup to the rump of Roger Clemens in Shea Stadium, when he had the opportunity to drop him on his back, sent the entire franchise into a death spiral that has only now ended.

The price has now been paid. Balance has been regained.

(Go Cubs)

[A.J.]

Anyone comparing the Mets collapse to the Yankees loss to Boston is out of their mind. The Mets collapse is a terrible choke.. the Yankees loss is the worst choke in sports history.

And still, neither Mets fans nor Yankees fans know what true pain is.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/Ssport/BUCKPHU006000~Mookie-Wilson-s-Grounder-Past-Bill-Buckner-1986-World-Series-Game-6-Posters.jpg

[ralphbxny]

The lose stinks no matter what!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

So its almost playoff time


Cant wait for Game 1

Lets go Mets....


We're gonna see the rabbits at Shea George , right..

:king:

[Freitag]

Anyone comparing the Mets collapse to the Yankees loss to Boston is out of their mind. The Mets collapse is a terrible choke.. the Yankees loss is the worst choke in sports history.

I have a lot of Yankees and Mets fans in the office, and it's hard to contemplate which exactly is the worst collapse - The Yankees in 2004 or the 2007 Mets.

here's the logic: All the Yankees had to do is win one game in four tries against a well-matched team to make the next round. All the Mets had to do was win two more games in SEVENTEEN tries against supposedly lesser teams to make the next round. Even if the Mets won ONE more game in 17 tries, then they'd have an eighteenth try to make the next round.

The Mets didn't play hard. Plain and simple.

[cougarjake13]

except for K.C. no one is mentioning the obvious


not counting the 7 games the mets lost to the phillies during this collapse , the phils and mets played virtually the same with the phils being 1 win better, so the collapse can all be attributed to the mets bullpen blowing a few leads in those 7 matchups where any one of them were averted we'd be tied, yes getting swept by the nats hurts big time too and letting the marlins win 2 out of 3 on the final weekend

but those 2 series sweeps by the phils over the mets gave the phils life when they would have probably rolled over and died if not for the sweeps

[lleeder]

except for K.C. no one is mentioning the obvious


not counting the 7 games the mets lost to the phillies during this collapse , the phils and mets played virtually the same with the phils being 1 win better, so the collapse can all be attributed to the mets bullpen blowing a few leads in those 7 matchups where any one of them were averted we'd be tied, yes getting swept by the nats hurts big time too and letting the marlins win 2 out of 3 on the final weekend

but those 2 series sweeps by the phils over the mets gave the phils life when they would have probably rolled over and died if not for the sweeps

Does that make you feel better?

[TheMojoPin]

And still, neither Mets fans nor Yankees fans know what true pain is.

And you Red Sox fans don't know squat when it comes to suffering. At least you guys were competing.

[Kevin]

except for K.C. no one is mentioning the obvious


not counting the 7 games the mets lost to the phillies during this collapse , the phils and mets played virtually the same with the phils being 1 win better, so the collapse can all be attributed to the mets bullpen blowing a few leads in those 7 matchups where any one of them were averted we'd be tied, yes getting swept by the nats hurts big time too and letting the marlins win 2 out of 3 on the final weekend

but those 2 series sweeps by the phils over the mets gave the phils life when they would have probably rolled over and died if not for the sweeps

How do you not count the biggest culprit of why the Mets lost?? THE 7 IN A ROW!!! You win 2 of those games, and the pressure is off.. It does not matter what the Phillies did down the stretch..

Despite game 7 of the 04 LCS the yanks played the sox even... We won the 1st 3 and they won the last 3.. So it was just as much of the Sox playing great then the Yanks gagging...

[Kevin]

And you Red Sox fans don't know squat when it comes to suffering. At least you guys were competing.

Its much worse losing while your competing, then it is not competing at all.. You do not get that big set up of, MAN I THINK WE CAN WIN THIS... Then BOOM... When you suck all the time, you don't get your hopes up.. I agree its much funner competing.. But the End effect is so bad that its really not worth it... Trust me.. I know.. I am a Knick and Giants fan... And Rangers, but hopefully that situation is shifting for the better..

[Bossanova]

The Mets lost because they fucking choked and were way too complacent. These two stats are why the lost the division. 41-40 at home and 35-37 against the NL East

[cougarjake13]

How do you not count the biggest culprit of why the Mets lost?? THE 7 IN A ROW!!! You win 2 of those games, and the pressure is off.. It does not matter what the Phillies did down the stretch..

exactly if the phils dont make the first sweep when we were up 7 and it brought it back to 3 maybe the mets win just one game and instead of being a 3 game lead it would have been 6 game lead, maybe the phils dont get all pumped up that they are back in it

who knows and then the 2nd sweep even if we did still lose that 1st 4 game series any one win here might have slammed the door on the phils

[Doogie]

And you Red Sox fans don't know squat when it comes to suffering. At least you guys were competing.

Can we shout 1945?? Or can we be cruel and go for 1908?? Goddamn, do you realize that man was only flying for 5 years when the Cubs won their last World Series. You are right, we do have it easier. And I am not being a prick, just noticed when the last time the Cubs won a World Series. Wow.

[Bulldogcakes]

I have a lot of Yankees and Mets fans in the office, and it's hard to contemplate which exactly is the worst collapse - The Yankees in 2004 or the 2007 Mets.

here's the logic: All the Yankees had to do is win one game in four tries against a well-matched team to make the next round. All the Mets had to do was win two more games in SEVENTEEN tries against supposedly lesser teams to make the next round. Even if the Mets won ONE more game in 17 tries, then they'd have an eighteenth try to make the next round.

The Mets didn't play hard. Plain and simple.

Thats an interesting take. The folks on the other side will say nothing that happens in the regular season is as big as what goes on in the post season. Bigger stage, etc. But as a fan of a team it would feel much emptier to me to be expecting to compete in the playoffs all year and then choke it away at the last minute. At least the Yanks got to the playoffs, and won the ALDS round. So it was clearly already a more successful season no matter what happened in the ALCS.

Plus, I think of World Series like Super Bowls. Its a tremendous accomplishment just to get there. If you miss, or have a mini slump at the last minute I can't go nuts about it. Thats just baseball. I wasn't upset the next day when Mariano threw the ball away in 2001. At the time, yes, but the next day? No. You can't win em all. But this last minute Met choke would bug me forever. All the what if's and what might have been's. Would bug me forever. As a fan, this would be worse.

BTW-I disagree they didn't play hard. I think they ran out of gas, and teams that run out of gas look like they're not hustling. Don't forget all the age on key players on this team, especially Glavine and El Duque. If a young, effective starter just takes the ball and gives you a 3-3 record down the stretch in the games those two were to pitch, none of this happens. Duque's absence and Glavines awful last three outings forced the already overworked bullpen to log even more innings, and they just fell apart. Its a snowball effect, we saw that with the Yanks earlier this year.

[TheMojoPin]

Can we shout 1945?? Or can we be cruel and go for 1908?? Goddamn, do you realize that man was only flying for 5 years when the Cubs won their last World Series. You are right, we do have it easier. And I am not being a prick, just noticed when the last time the Cubs won a World Series. Wow.

Exactly. And since 1945, we've only been to the playoffs 4 years, 1984, 1989, 2093 and now 2007. And top top it off, most baseball historians look at the 1945 season as the absolute worst in the history of the game due to most of the good and great players being gone due to the war. It's often ranked as the most boring year of Major League Baseball ever. Not exactly a proud century for the second most winningest team in baseball history.

[cougarjake13]

Plus, I think of World Series like Super Bowls. Its a tremendous accomplishment just to get there. If you miss, or have a mini slump at the last minute I can't go nuts about it. Thats just baseball. I wasn't upset the next day when Mariano threw the ball away in 2001. At the time, yes, but the next day? No. You can't win em all. But this last minute Met choke would bug me forever. All the what if's and what might have been's. Would bug me forever. As a fan, this would be worse.



no way last year was worse, last year was the what ifs and what could have beens, especially since the cards went on to win it all, not saying that the tigers would have made all those same errors against the mets as they did the cards but they(tigers) still would have swept the A's and been off all that extra time and the mets would have benefited as much as the cards did by that

we lost pedro and el duque going into the playoffs and still made it to game 7 of the nlcs which we almost won anyway

[RingWraith]

And you Red Sox fans don't know squat when it comes to suffering. At least you guys were competing.

Well, with the upcoming playoffs, I'm assuming Steve Bartman is probably still "banned" from Wrigley.

[scottinnj]

The Shot Heard 'Round the World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_Heard_'Round_the_World_(baseball))

"The Giants Win the Pennant! The Giants Win the Pennant!

That one was pretty bad for the Dodgers. Maybe not the worst in history, but for the Giants to close without a wildcard is pretty impressive.


Damn Yankees won it all that year though. Stupid Evil Empire.

[A.J.]

And you Red Sox fans don't know squat when it comes to suffering. At least you guys were competing.

True, but what's worse: getting chances that come so few and far between or just plain not getting there at all? 1986 was the worst of them all. To come back in dramatic fashion in the ALCS, to think that MAYBE, FINALLY fate had changed. To get within 1 friggin' strike of ending the misery and then having it yanked away AGAIN.

Just curious: do Cardinal fans torment Cubs fans the way Yankee fans did to Red Sox fans for so many years? Or is the White Sox-Cubs hatred stronger?

[TheMojoPin]

True, but what's worse: getting chances that come so few and far between or just plain not getting there at all? 1986 was the worst of them all. To come back in dramatic fashion in the ALCS, to think that MAYBE, FINALLY fate had changed. To get within 1 friggin' strike of ending the misery and then having it yanked away AGAIN.

Just curious: do Cardinal fans torment Cubs fans the way Yankee fans did to Red Sox fans for so many years? Or is the White Sox-Cubs hatred stronger?

Outside of when the White Sox and Cubs play, everyone except the few White Sox fans forget that the White Sox even exist.

[K.C.]

but those 2 series sweeps by the phils over the mets gave the phils life when they would have probably rolled over and died if not for the sweeps

That's exactly it...and something the Mets have to live with is if they win just ONE of those seven games, they're probably playing on Wednesday.

And it goes back to what I said in my first post in this thread...if Mets fans want to hold someone accountable, it should be Omar WAY before Willie.

That Mets team with Brian Bannister and Heath Bell probably does a few things:
1) It gives them a pitcher who isn't Pelfry (terrible) or Phillip Humber (making his first start the last week of the season) to rely on down the stretch. Pelfry started the season 0-7, right? Bannister couldn't have gone 2-5, at the very least?
2) It gives them a bullpen arm to where you don't trot out Mota, Sosa, Heilman (who was bad down the stretch), Feliciano, every time out.

Those two moves, even though it's in hindsight, KILLED the Mets. And they got nothing for either guy.

I don't think it'll end up that way, because I don't see him as quite as good, but Omar better pray that Bannister isn't the next Scott Kazmir. Because he saw where that landed Steve Phillips.

[upstate_A]

thanks for jinxin' the mets, dave ... you ginger kid piece of shit

[Doogie]

That's exactly it...and something the Mets have to live with is if they win just ONE of those seven games, they're probably playing on Wednesday.

And it goes back to what I said in my first post in this thread...if Mets fans want to hold someone accountable, it should be Omar WAY before Willie.

That Mets team with Brian Bannister and Heath Bell probably does a few things:
1) It gives them a pitcher who isn't Pelfry (terrible) or Phillip Humber (making his first start the last week of the season) to rely on down the stretch. Pelfry started the season 0-7, right? Bannister couldn't have gone 2-5, at the very least?
2) It gives them a bullpen arm to where you don't trot out Mota, Sosa, Heilman (who was bad down the stretch), Feliciano, every time out.

Those two moves, even though it's in hindsight, KILLED the Mets. And they got nothing for either guy.

I don't think it'll end up that way, because I don't see him as quite as good, but Omar better pray that Bannister isn't the next Scott Kazmir. Because he saw where that landed Steve Phillips.

You are an idiot and proven yourself that you are front runner and have no understanding of baseball. Yes Pelfry started out 0-5 and that was when they were comfortably up, and they were hurting on starting pitchers so they gave him a shot. They sent him down and he came back a much more improved 2-3. Yes that isnt great but he won two. His ERA dropped drastically, and more importantly his control improved. Did I want Pedro over him, hell yeah. But that was what was available and you know what, he was a marked imorovement over Bannister. Bannister is a fluke, another Mark Clark. Just a guy filling a gap.

Yes starting Humber that last week was a bad move, they should have of started him AFTER they clinched, but whatever that is looking in hindsight again. What I saw in Humber are some very good pitches and good control. The kid needs to add a pitch or two and that will come. Hell Seaver had three pitches when he came up and improved over time. Ryan only had two when he came up with the Mets and was wild as fuck. So it just proves how fucking ignorant you are to the mechanics of the game.

Finally shitdick, Brian Bannister is NO Scott Kazimir. And also Kazmir was traded by Jim Duquette and not Phillips, so do some fucking research before you spout off and show just how fucking dumb of a cunt that you are. Your worse than a fucking Yankee fan who are devoid of any knowledge of the history of their team and are transplanted Met fans anyways.

FIN.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Damn You Bobby Fallon


I am cheering for the Saux in the playoffs and U give me that Avitar.

I am a Human Dartboard for the MODS

:king:

[K.C.]

You are an idiot and proven yourself that you are front runner and have no understanding of baseball.
Uh...no, I am a life-long Phillies fan with a life-long season ticket package. I have the XM package, and the Extra Innings package for Comcast. I see quite a bit.

Yes Pelfry started out 0-5 and that was when they were comfortably up, and they were hurting on starting pitchers so they gave him a shot. They sent him down and he came back a much more improved 2-3. Yes that isnt great but he won two. His ERA dropped drastically, and more importantly his control improved.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Omar trade Bannister because
a) He liked Burgois's upside (that worked out)
b) He thought Pelfry and Humber were better options (that worked out too)

Did I want Pedro over him, hell yeah. But that was what was available and you know what, he was a marked imorovement over Bannister. Bannister is a fluke, another Mark Clark. Just a guy filling a gap.

For a fluke, he may win the AL Rookie of the Year. If he's a one year wonder, so be it...it was still a horrible move that bit them in the ass in the end. The Mets starting pitching was dreadful in September. When you trade Bannister because you like Pelfry and Humber better, and those guys don't come through, you look like a fool. And an even bigger fool when your bullpen arm, Burgois, contributes nothing this season.

Yes starting Humber that last week was a bad move, they should have of started him AFTER they clinched, but whatever that is looking in hindsight again. What I saw in Humber are some very good pitches and good control. The kid needs to add a pitch or two and that will come. Hell Seaver had three pitches when he came up and improved over time. Ryan only had two when he came up with the Mets and was wild as fuck. So it just proves how fucking ignorant you are to the mechanics of the game.

Fucking ignorant? No, you missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter what you saw in Humber. It doesn't matter if Humber is a 20 game winner for the next 10 years. They brought up a kid for his first start the last week of the season. It was a ridiculous move by a management team that was grasping for anything because they had no depth at the position. And they have no depth because they traded Bannister and Pelfry stinks.

Finally shitdick, Brian Bannister is NO Scott Kazimir. And also Kazmir was traded by Jim Duquette and not Phillips, so do some fucking research before you spout off and show just how fucking dumb of a cunt that you are. Your worse than a fucking Yankee fan who are devoid of any knowledge of the history of their team and are transplanted Met fans anyways.


I hope starting paragraphs with 'fucking ignorant' and 'shitdick' makes you feel better about being a fan of the worst collapse in MLB history.

As for Bannister, he is a rookie of the year candidate. We'll see how he pans out. If he wins ROTY, it's going to be a lot of egg on the face of a Mets team that could find a starter to save their lives down the stretch.


FIN

[Doogie]

They brought up a kid for his first start the last week of the season. It was a ridiculous move by a management team that was grasping for anything because they had no depth at the position. And they have no depth because they traded Bannister and Pelfry stinks.

Ok, I agreed with you on that point. It was a bad fucking move. It was the fact that it was the bullpen that caused the loss no decision more than anyone for this kid. A fucking shame.



[/Quote]I hope starting paragraphs with 'fucking ignorant' and 'shitdick' makes you feel better about being a fan of the worst collapse in MLB history.[quote]

This coming from a fan from a city that booed Santa Claus...c'mon. It was the fact that you were reporting the facts and naming the wrong GM's, do a lil fact checking before you go stating things. Maybe I over-reacted a lil, ohh well. Ill buy you a beer as an apology. :drunk:

[ralphbxny]

I keep coming in here just to make sure no one is jumping from the top of the thread.

My old man litterally has not taken a phone call from anyone since the end of the 1st inning on sunday. The only reason we know he is ok is my step mom, who is returning his calls. She says he has been dressed in black since the game and has had a white candle burning. Hasnt left the couch other than to sleep then right back to the couch and is refusing to watch any baseball playoffs!

Its very sad that sports still has this effect on a 67 year old man but it does!!

[cougarjake13]

I keep coming in here just to make sure no one is jumping from the top of the thread.

My old man litterally has not taken a phone call from anyone since the end of the 1st inning on sunday. The only reason we know he is ok is my step mom, who is returning his calls. She says he has been dressed in black since the game and has had a white candle burning. Hasnt left the couch other than to sleep then right back to the couch and is refusing to watch any baseball playoffs!

Its very sad that sports still has this effect on a 67 year old man but it does!!

im not 67 but i feel the same and i wont watch any baseball playoffs

i might amend this if the cubs are on the brink of winning it all

[JPMNICK]

I keep coming in here just to make sure no one is jumping from the top of the thread.

My old man litterally has not taken a phone call from anyone since the end of the 1st inning on sunday. The only reason we know he is ok is my step mom, who is returning his calls. She says he has been dressed in black since the game and has had a white candle burning. Hasnt left the couch other than to sleep then right back to the couch and is refusing to watch any baseball playoffs!

Its very sad that sports still has this effect on a 67 year old man but it does!!

that is how i felt after the Yanks lost to the redsox after being up a few years ago. I refused to turn on the TV or the radio until after the world series. I did not even listen to O&A or R&F because i did not want to hear anyone discussing it. I did not watch any news or live TV shows. I changed my start page to one with no current news on it.

[lleeder]

After hearing Omar on WFAN today I think both Glavine and El Duque will be back next year. After the dust settles both will be on the team.

[Bossanova]

ESPN News just said it looks like Glavine will opt out and sign with Atlanta

[cougarjake13]

ESPN News just said it looks like Glavine will opt out and sign with Atlanta

fuck him i hope he dies in a fiery crash


he is now kenny rogers to me

[Bulldogcakes]

Klapisch on the Met Collpase (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTQmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcyMDIyOTAmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

From general manager Omar Minaya to manager Willie Randolph to the players themselves, the Mets' legacies are stained, now and forever. Chokers will be history's verdict on this group

You couldn't help but sense everything that was wrong with the Mets as they trudged off the field on Sunday – beaten and lifeless once again. "No spark" is what Wagner called the fatal flaw, although it went even deeper than that.

No courage, is what historians will say ruined the Mets. Welcome to their legacy.

Wow. Very tough stuff from a generally even handed guy like Klap. Good read.

Plus this

What's worse, the Marlins loved every minute of the Mets' humiliation, as club president David Samson called it, "our Game 7."

"Glavine is one of the best pitchers in the game but I'm not [going to] say I feel sorry for him. I'm sure he didn't feel sorry for us when we were 30 games back," said outfielder Cody Ross.

"As soon as we got here, everybody was saying we're going to send them home. They're going home with us today. It's going to be a sad day for everybody at Shea Stadium."

Dontrelle Willis also spoke to the Marlins' intense desire to hurt the Mets, reminding everyone: "It was a big game for us, one of the biggest games in club history besides the playoffs because there was a lot riding on today. I'm happy for [the Phillies]."

Thats why you celebrate IN the dugout, not on the field. I'm sure Mets fans get a kick out of it, but it pisses off the entire league. Now you know why the Cards were mocking you guys with the "Jose, Jose Jose" chant after the NLCS last year.

[midwestjeff]

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/02/more-mets-bad-news-scott-schoeneweis-connected-to-steroids/

[ralphbxny]

He stunk so it made him avg. Sucks for him he got caught!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

He does look roided up

Oh well, he was the only Bullpen Pitcher to step up during crunch time

:king:

[Doogie]

Lets face it, the whole bullpen needs to be revamped. I say keep Heilman, Feliciano, Smith, Sosa (as spot starter too), and Wagner. Yes Wagner was breaking down, but I do feel like he wasnt being used right, as is also with the entire bullpen, down the stretch there. We should be getting Sanchez back. Now the question is who is available in the offseason.

Ohhh as far as this Schoenweis story goes, they will dump his ass. The Mets are notorious for getting rid of guys who cause controversy.

[hammersavage]

this story makes me depressed its so on point.



October 1, 2007 -- Leave it to these Mets to win 13-0, throw a
one-hitter and still look bad in the process.

Saturday, the Mets, one-game back with two left, still played minimalist
baseball, still appeared uninterested in running to the next available
base, including first. But even in the throes of a colossal collapse,
they still performed their home run handshakes - their practiced dance
moves, the things they worked hard at - flawlessly.

On SNY, Ron Darling, who had a very good year, was not happy. He
wondered aloud why Lastings Milledge would hit a home run to make it 9-0
then do his showboat skit with Jose Reyes before reaching the dugout, in
full view of the Marlins. Reyes, early in the game, had stood at home,
figuring the chopper he hit would go foul. It didn't. Darling was not
happy with what he was watching.

Neither was Keith Hernandez. "The Mets," he added, "aren't loved around
the National League."

On Fox, where the Phils were losing to the Nationals, Tim McCarver noted
the bench-clearing hassle Reyes invited with the Marlins, then made
sagacious sense:

The Mets have one scheduled game left, against an out-of-it team that
couldn't be expected to much care about winning that game unless
something happened to motivate them, to get their juices juiced, to tick
them off. And the Mets, Saturday, and during a blowout, no less, had
done just that.

And McCarver nailed it. Before the Marlins even scored one of their
seven first-inning runs, yesterday, they could be seen along the top
step of the dugout. A dead team, they were into it. The Mets, as
McCarver predicted, made sure of that.

PHIL MUNCHNICK NY POST

[BeerBandit]

Reyes for Santana? (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Reyes-for-Santana-deal-makes-sense-?urn=mlb,47691&post_comment=1&success=1)

Do you do this? I do it in a heartbeat. The third best SS for THE best pitcher. Santana's in his prime. Reyes could be great, but Santana is better than great and, barring injury of course, is a better value because he's a pitcher. I would trade A-rod for Santana.

[Marc with a c]

Reyes for Santana?

interesting.

the one downfall is a signability issue for santana who is a free agent at the end of next year. if you can lock him up for 5-7 years i would do it otherwise i wouldnt risk losing reyes, who is still relatively cheap, to another team.

[Kevin]

Reyes for Santana?

interesting.

the one downfall is a signability issue for santana who is a free agent at the end of next year. if you can lock him up for 5-7 years i would do it otherwise i wouldnt risk losing reyes, who is still relatively cheap, to another team.

I would think the Mets would ask for a 72hr negotiation window and work out a deal before they do that deal..

[Marc with a c]

I would think the Mets would ask for a 72hr negotiation window and work out a deal before they do that deal..

you would think, but remember who you are dealing with.

[Kevin]

you would think, but remember who you are dealing with.

Is he a Boras guy??

[Marc with a c]

Is he a Boras guy??

i meant the mets front office

[Kevin]

i meant the mets front office

Oh yea.. That too

He is hispanic.. But is under 40.. So its a toss up..

[Marc with a c]

Oh yea.. That too

He is hispanic.. But is under 40.. So its a toss up..

omar just offered silera a two year deal.

[Kevin]

omar just offered silera a two year deal.

Well if she was there with that ass during the stretch.. Maybe they would have not taken the division so lightly..

[cougarjake13]

i'd love to have santana but i dont know if we can part with reyes

[Bossanova]

Two things. If they were to trade for Santana it would be under the assumption of them agreeing to extend his contract.

Second, you do not trade one of the guys who you can build around. Yes he was a dog for the second half, but you have to give him a second chance. Reyes has way too much upside and can change a game every night. You don't trade that for every 5 games. Package Humber, Milledge and someone else, but not reyes

[Doogie]

Two things. If they were to trade for Santana it would be under the assumption of them agreeing to extend his contract.

Second, you do not trade one of the guys who you can build around. Yes he was a dog for the second half, but you have to give him a second chance. Reyes has way too much upside and can change a game every night. You don't trade that for every 5 games. Package Humber, Milledge and someone else, but not reyes

I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. As much as I would LOVE to have Santana, I feel these guys are still in shock/grieving mode. Wait until their heads have cleared. I personally am one that loves to see home grown guys or guys traded within farm system and brought up that do well. Yes established stars help you win pennants too. As long as their is someone down the line ready to take the torch from the guys that are currently winning.

[Kevin]

I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. As much as I would LOVE to have Santana, I feel these guys are still in shock/grieving mode. Wait until their heads have cleared. I personally am one that loves to see home grown guys or guys traded within farm system and brought up that do well. Yes established stars help you win pennants too. As long as their is someone down the line ready to take the torch from the guys that are currently winning.

I personaly think that if you guys do not give up Reyes.. You have NO shot at Santana.. If He is on the market.. So many teams with so much better farms than the Mets are going to be after him.. Can you guys top a offer starting with Kennedy and the other highly touted guys in the Yankee farm? Or Bucholtz with Bos?? Or other teams.. Pelfry is not that highly touted anymore.. neither is milidge.. I dont know about humber.. But unless you give Reyes, you are not getting Santana..

[Bossanova]

I personaly think that if you guys do not give up Reyes.. You have NO shot at Santana.. If He is on the market.. So many teams with so much better farms than the Mets are going to be after him.. Can you guys top a offer starting with Kennedy and the other highly touted guys in the Yankee farm? Or Bucholtz with Bos?? Or other teams.. Pelfry is not that highly touted anymore.. neither is milidge.. I dont know about humber.. But unless you give Reyes, you are not getting Santana..

Then fuck Santana

[Kevin]

Then fuck Santana

Yea i wouldnt give up Reyes but your not getting Santana otherwise..

[Bossanova]

I have to say, even though Santana has been amazing the past 4 years. He was far from great this year. I wouldn't risk giving away the farm for another Zito. His numbers this year do not warrant a Reyes deal

[Bulldogcakes]

The thing about Santana is that even the team that gets him has to shell out 20-25 mil per to sign him long term. That narrows the teams able to bid on him to a few big market teams, since it narrows the market that can trade for him the price should come down. Then the Twins may just keep him if they don't think he'll fetch enough. They might keep him and see if they can compete next year, and if they fall out of it, shop him at the deadline.

To get him, you'll have to blow them away. Reyes + would get it done.

[spadanko]

Seth (New York): Tell me that the Johan for Reyes rumor isn't for real... Omar would never deal Reyes. But, does he have the chips to put together a decent package for Johan, aside from Reyes and Wright?

ESPN - Keith Law: (1:15 PM ET ) That wasn't a rumor - it was something a writer made up and claimed made sense for both sides, which is true if you assume Omar has an IQ of 12

[Earlshog]

I have to say, even though Santana has been amazing the past 4 years. He was far from great this year. I wouldn't risk giving away the farm for another Zito. His numbers this year do not warrant a Reyes deal

He is the best pitcher in baseball hands down. Another Zito is crazy talk.

[Bossanova]

That fuck Tom Glavine has declined his option for next season.

[Bulldogcakes]

That fuck Tom Glavine has declined his option for next season.

That was actually a very classy move on his part. He just SAVED the Mets 13 mil, which there is little chance he'll get on the open market. By him declining the option, I think the Mets don't even have to pay the 3 mil buyout, which they would if they declined it. I bet he got a call from the MPLA bellyaching about this, and Glavine is the team's player rep.

This is him keeping his word to the Wilpons. Very classy move, and Met fans should be happy since it signals he's not coming back.

[sailor]

That was actually a very classy move on his part. He just SAVED the Mets 13 mil, which there is little chance he'll get on the open market. By him declining the option, I think the Mets don't even have to pay the 3 mil buyout, which they would if they declined it. I bet he got a call from the MPLA bellyaching about this, and Glavine is the team's player rep.

This is him keeping his word to the Wilpons. Very classy move, and Met fans should be happy since it signals he's not coming back.

he's angolan?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Mpla.jpg

[lleeder]

I have to say, even though Santana has been amazing the past 4 years. He was far from great this year. I wouldn't risk giving away the farm for another Zito. His numbers this year do not warrant a Reyes deal

Far from great? Didn't he strikeout like 18 guys in one game this year?

[BoondockSaint]

That was actually a very classy move on his part. He just SAVED the Mets 13 mil, which there is little chance he'll get on the open market. By him declining the option, I think the Mets don't even have to pay the 3 mil buyout, which they would if they declined it. I bet he got a call from the MPLA bellyaching about this, and Glavine is the team's player rep.

This is him keeping his word to the Wilpons. Very classy move, and Met fans should be happy since it signals he's not coming back.


They still have to pay him the 3 million. Basically all he did was beat the Mets to the punch.

[lleeder]

If he wanted to be a dick he could have taken the option and forced the Mets to pay him more than 3 million to leave.

[BoondockSaint]

If he wanted to be a dick he could have taken the option and forced the Mets to pay him more than 3 million to leave.

That sounds like something the Bandit would do.

[Bossanova]

Far from great? Didn't he strikeout like 18 guys in one game this year?

Yeah and Kerry Wood struck out 20 once. Doesn't mean Santana had a great year

[Bossanova]

That was actually a very classy move on his part. He just SAVED the Mets 13 mil, which there is little chance he'll get on the open market. By him declining the option, I think the Mets don't even have to pay the 3 mil buyout, which they would if they declined it. I bet he got a call from the MPLA bellyaching about this, and Glavine is the team's player rep.

This is him keeping his word to the Wilpons. Very classy move, and Met fans should be happy since it signals he's not coming back.

And i agree that it may have been classy. i am still very happy that he prob wont be back

[Kevin]

And i agree that it may have been classy. i am still very happy that he prob wont be back

Joe Torre would have a better shot if he loses tonight than Glavine does of ever coming back...

[Bossanova]

Joe Torre would have a better shot if he loses tonight than Glavine does of ever coming back...

HA, I know. Even though reports are saying George said win or else

[epo]

Yeah and Kerry Wood struck out 20 once. Doesn't mean Santana had a great year

Please stop with the Santana bashing. The man is simply the best pitcher in baseball.

This season for an awful Twins team he had:

15 wins
235K in 219 IP
1.073 WHIP
3.329 ERA

I know those numbers are a little off from the previous couple of years...but remember how horrible Minnesota was. Whoever trades for Santana is gonna pay alot for him in terms of legitimate prospects & 20M/year in contract.

[Bossanova]

Please stop with the Santana bashing. The man is simply the best pitcher in baseball.

This season for an awful Twins team he had:

15 wins
235K in 219 IP
1.073 WHIP
3.329 ERA

I know those numbers are a little off from the previous couple of years...but remember how horrible Minnesota was. Whoever trades for Santana is gonna pay alot for him in terms of legitimate prospects & 20M/year in contract.

Oh, I am not bashing him. I actually really want this guy on the Mets. My point a long time ago was, after his past year you can not justify trading Reyes for him

[lleeder]

Oh, I am not bashing him. I actually really want this guy on the Mets. My point a long time ago was, after his past year you can not justify trading Reyes for him

Using that logic the Twins can't trade for Reyes after his past year.

[Kevin]

Using that logic the Twins can't trade for Reyes after his past year.

Yea especially his atrocious 2nd half. Maybe he was not ready for the money he got with his contract. Wright seems to have handled it well. But maybe Reyes has just been going crazy now that he has money.

[Bossanova]

Using that logic the Twins can't trade for Reyes after his past year.

Look, I am coming off different than I want. Reyes had an awful second half, but he still has too much talent to trade. Even if its for Santana. My point was if his year wasnt like was last year, you have to be careful. Trading Reyes for him isn't smart. I used Zito for the fact that he won his Cy young and then all of the sudden he wasn't good anymore. I just want the Mets to not trade a corner stone for a guy who could be slipping.

[Bossanova]

Yea especially his atrocious 2nd half. Maybe he was not ready for the money he got with his contract. Wright seems to have handled it well. But maybe Reyes has just been going crazy now that he has money.

I believe Reyes doesn't respect Willie. He is to Omar that Starbury is to Thomas. Plus I heard that Castillo had an influence on Reyes.

[Kevin]

I believe Reyes doesn't respect Willie. He is to Omar that Starbury is to Thomas. Plus I heard that Castillo had an influence on Reyes.

Reyes maybe pissed at Willie for benching him that day when he loafed it to 1b.. He has not been the same since.. Saying that.. If thats the case. Or even what your stating.. Then you have to deal him.. You can't have that kind of player on your team, no matter how good they are. Rarely a player with that kind of attitude is good on a consistent bases. You have pre madonna's like T.O or a few others.. But when they get on the feild, they bust their asses.. I can take that.. But then you have others that do not even try.. And Reyes for most of the 2nd half looked like he was not even trying.. there is no other reason for player with his immense skill to have a 2nd half like he did.. Unless he was not trying.. Or he was hiding an injury.. We have not heard anything about an inury or a fam prob, so i have to say he was not trying.. If thats the case, get him out.

[Bulldogcakes]

They still have to pay him the 3 million. Basically all he did was beat the Mets to the punch.

You're 100% right (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/new_york_mets/index.html) about that. I assumed since he declined the option he walks away with nothing, that is the Mets wanted to cut ties it would cost them a buyout. That would seem to make sense, but since when did baseball contracts ever make any sense. They can count it however they want, they paid him 16 mil to pitch for them last year.

All of that being said, I still can't see him getting 10 mil on the open market at his age, especially from ATL. So I still think its a classy move on his part.

[Kevin]

You're 100% right (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/new_york_mets/index.html) about that. I assumed since he declined the option he walks away with nothing, that is the Mets wanted to cut ties it would cost them a buyout. That would seem to make sense, but since when did baseball contracts ever make any sense. They can count it however they want, they paid him 16 mil to pitch for them last year.

All of that being said, I still can't see him getting 10 mil on the open market at his age, especially from ATL. So I still think its a classy move on his part.


It has nothing to do with class.. He knows that he shit the bed and caused the franchise worse moment ever.. He knows that his life would be made utterly miserable by Met fans every time he had a bad outing next year.. He has made enough money.. Plus he knew the Mets were gunna do it.. He wants to go back to Atl with his buddy Smoltz.. Class and sports went out the window a LONG time ago.

[cougarjake13]

fuck him i dont want him back that kenny rogers fuck

[cougarjake13]

el duque has surgery (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071019&content_id=2272760&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym)



not sure how much we'll get out of him

i think i'd rather see what we have in pelfrey and humber

[Bossanova]

Just wanted everyone to know that the Mets were still around

[BoondockSaint]

It should pick up in a couple of weeks once free agents declare but I think it's going to take a trade to get anybody of impact. They really need a solid starting pitcher and some bullpen help. My guess is they bring LoDuca back. We'll see. Hopefully the Pedro we saw at the end of the season we get for the whole year.

[BeerBandit]

They're picking up the option on Alou (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Castillo-has-knee-surgery-Mets-will-pick-up-opt?urn=mlb,50621)

I'm fine with this, as long as they realize that they'll barely get 100 games out of him. It'd be nice if they then move one of the glut of young outfielders for a pitching or catching prospect.

Anybody know anything about this kid Jason Jacobs they had catching in Brooklyn? Other than Francisco Pena (17 yrs old) there is a dearth of catching talent in this organization. This Jacobs seems to have some nice stats...

for single A.

[cougarjake13]

It should pick up in a couple of weeks once free agents declare but I think it's going to take a trade to get anybody of impact. They really need a solid starting pitcher and some bullpen help. My guess is they bring LoDuca back. We'll see. Hopefully the Pedro we saw at the end of the season we get for the whole year.

everything seems to point that lo duca is a goner with his problems with mgmnt


possibly posada crosses the river ??

[cougarjake13]

They're picking up the option on Alou (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Castillo-has-knee-surgery-Mets-will-pick-up-opt?urn=mlb,50621)

I'm fine with this, as long as they realize that they'll barely get 100 games out of him. It'd be nice if they then move one of the glut of young outfielders for a pitching or catching prospect.

Anybody know anything about this kid Jason Jacobs they had catching in Brooklyn? Other than Francisco Pena (17 yrs old) there is a dearth of catching talent in this organization. This Jacobs seems to have some nice stats...

for single A.

im fine with alou coming back, he's been very good when he's in the lineup and if milledge keeps his head straight and continually improves i dont mind seeing that platoon in left

as for catchers i havent heard much about any mets prospects since we had justin huber who we traded away to the royals

[cougarjake13]

here's a list of all the current mets catchers



Catchers triple A (new orleans zephyrs)

5 Rafael Arroyo
27 Robinson Cancel
13 Shawn Wooten


Catchers double A ( binghampton mets)

10 Mike Nickeas
7 Jose A Reyes

Catchers single a (port st. lucie mets)


47 Yasmil Bucce
32 Teddy Dziuba
Sean McCraw

Catchers single A ( savannah sand gnats)

5 Tony Maccani
25 Francisco Pena


Catchers single A ( brooklyn cyclones)

29 Cesar Cordido
31 Jason Jacobs
25 Jefferies Tatford


Catchers rookie league ( kingsport mets)

32 Rogelio Del Campo
Steve Malvagna

[BoondockSaint]

Klapisch: Mets may go for A-Rod (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcyMTUwMDQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

No, please.

[oh_kee_pa]

Klapisch: Mets may go for A-Rod (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcyMTUwMDQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

No, please.

yea i know, having the best player in baseball is such an awful thing

[BoondockSaint]

yea i know, having the best player in baseball is such an awful thing

They need pitching. So, unless he learns how to throw a curveball, he can take his headaches elsewhere.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Mets need Pitching Pitching and More Pitching


Id love to see a 3-2 Win next year

:king:

[Bellyfullasnot]

Just got my Amex bill today. Finally got credited for a play off game that never happened.

[Marc with a c]

Just got my Amex bill today. Finally got credited for a play off game that never happened.

ugh. that made me sad.

i am actually more upset now then i was when their season ended for some reason.

[BeerBandit]

yea i know, having the best player in baseball is such an awful thing

The best player in the league is Johann Santana.

[cougarjake13]

Klapisch: Mets may go for A-Rod (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcyMTUwMDQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)

No, please.

yea i know, having the best player in baseball is such an awful thing

its not an awful thing but we have more pressing needs elsewhere

we already have a ss and 3b and we need pitching, so i'd rather take that 30 mil a yr and get some pitching

[Doogie]

According to Foxsports, they are talking about the possibility of Jorge Posada coming to Queens. The only aspect of the story I dont like is "a bilingual bridge between the team's English- and Spanish-speaking players." Alright Omar. We get it. You like to hire Spanish players. Full story here: Posada to Mets? (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7403720)

[cougarjake13]

According to Foxsports, they are talking about the possibility of Jorge Posada coming to Queens. The only aspect of the story I dont like is "a bilingual bridge between the team's English- and Spanish-speaking players." Alright Omar. We get it. You like to hire Spanish players. Full story here: Posada to Mets? (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7403720)

i wouldnt mind signing posada, lo duca is good behind the plate and is a good clutch hitter some times but i think we need a bit more offense from the catcher position

[Marc with a c]

i'll take schill for a year.

12 mill?

what do we think?

[Bossanova]

Schill is one of the only pitchers that is worth anything that will be a free agent. Why not? Omar beter not go near Glavine, that is a rumor i heard on the Fan the other day

[NickyL0885]

Eh, I still think we get Arod, move Wright to first and trade Delgado for prospects. Our Rotation, hmmmm I wouldnt mind Carlos Silva. decent 3rd starter. switching leagues can help. I hear Noad Lowry and Tim Lincecum from San Fran are both available since the Giants need a leadoff type hitter and an OF bat. O man...Lincecum in a Mets uni.......I think I just creamed my self.

[cougarjake13]

i'll take schill for a year.

12 mill?

what do we think?

it be no different than if we kept glavine

[Bossanova]

it be no different than if we kept glavine

Its a little different in the respect that Schilling at least shows some emotion and would maybe speak his mind to the young guys who step out of line.

[Marc with a c]

Its a little different in the respect that Schilling at least shows some emotion and would maybe speak his mind to the young guys who step out of line.

And would get out of the first fucking inning in a big game.

[newport king]

id like to trade heilman and milledge (because omar will keep gomez over lastings) and pelfrey to oakland for danny haren.

i would like arod on the team but i don't think wright would make a good 2nd baseman and we have delgado for one more year, with a no trade.

[cougarjake13]

And would get out of the first fucking inning in a big game.

thats worth a few mil right there

[cougarjake13]

id like to trade heilman and milledge (because omar will keep gomez over lastings) and pelfrey to oakland for danny haren.

i would like arod on the team but i don't think wright would make a good 2nd baseman and we have delgado for one more year, with a no trade.

i'd be okay with that trade but all 3 is too much

maybe heilman and milledge or pelfrey and milledge

[newport king]

i just really hate pelfrey. it bugs me he pitches with a mouthpiece in. heilman has that look you just want to punch him in the face everytime he takes the mound.

[NickyL0885]

i just really hate pelfrey. it bugs me he pitches with a mouthpiece in. heilman has that look you just want to punch him in the face everytime he takes the mound.

Pelfrey has to pitch w/ the mouthpiece. Hes has TMJ.

[Bellyfullasnot]

I might have missed something but if the Mets got Arod why would he come in as a third baseman? Doesn't it make more sense to have him come in as a shortstop?

[saveopieanthony.net]

AROD meeting with the Mets....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/11/05/gm.meetings.mon.night/

What do you think of this idea :

AROD wants $30 million a year..but is a value at $15 million, no? I mean the Yankees were paying him that practically (with Texas paying $7 million).

If that's the case, what if the mets started a "Die Hard Fan" Club.

There has to be 3 million Met fans around the country that would want AROD right?

What if we can get 10% of them (300,000) or 5% of them (150,000) to purchase a "ultra fan club registration" of $100 each (x150k) or $50 each (x300k)? That fan club cost would get you a "special edition" AROD, hat, jersey, etc, a password to a special Mets site, perhaps to get SNY "Sportsnite" downloads for free for ipod or something, 4 pairs of tickets to games (crappy seats, upper decks for pirates, nationals, etc).

We could use that money to pay for the $15 million or so for AROD and the Mets can pay the remaining $15 million or so .

Thoughts?

I would sign up for that to bring AROD to Shea / Citi Field.

[topless_mike]

after their big meltdown, thats just what the mets need:
another disappointment.

i honestly dont think he's worth the money.
when he's good, he's on fire. when he's in a funk, he sucks.

he's consistent with his hr's, but not with his hitting.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

good points, but should this just be merged into the Mets Off Season Thread

:king:

[foodcourtdruide]

after their big meltdown, thats just what the mets need:
another disappointment.

i honestly dont think he's worth the money.
when he's good, he's on fire. when he's in a funk, he sucks.

he's consistent with his hr's, but not with his hitting.

Completely disagree with you. The guy is absolutely amazing and the best hitter I've ever seen. I heard he'd be willing to play 2B, could you imagine A-Rod/Wright/Reyes? Add Beltran. That is a potent line-up.

[Kevin]

saveopieanthony.net





Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Long Island
Posts: 666

Fitting that his 666th post was aboot Arod and Boras..

[Judge Smails]

How The Mets Can Pay Arod's Contract!

They can whore out Fred Wilpon's wife and daughter.

[topless_mike]

Completely disagree with you. The guy is absolutely amazing and the best hitter I've ever seen. I heard he'd be willing to play 2B, could you imagine A-Rod/Wright/Reyes? Add Beltran. That is a potent line-up.

i dont watch the yanks that often, and i am basing only what i hear/see and a quick glance at stats. if you do watch regularly, then i'll go with your opinion then.

he has to be willing to move. moving a star out of his pos to make way for you only happens once. another team (the mets) are not going to move wright from third to make way for him.

[foodcourtdruide]

i dont watch the yanks that often, and i am basing only what i hear/see and a quick glance at stats. if you do watch regularly, then i'll go with your opinion then.

he has to be willing to move. moving a star out of his pos to make way for you only happens once. another team (the mets) are not going to move wright from third to make way for him.

Wow, I went from completely disagreeing with you, to completely agreeing with you.

This reminds me of a funny post I saw once on some message board. It was back in 1998 or so, when the Mets had Hundley and Piazza, and someone suggested they move Hundley to 2B. Someone responded that they should keep Hundley at Catcher, and just let Piazza play SS the 4 days he isn't pitching :)

I agree with you, moving around positions often hurts a team.

[topless_mike]

now the yanks should move jeter back to third..
unless the mets unload wright to make way for arod.

[Doogie]

Fuck that...the Mets need pitching and I heard that the D-Rays are looking to dump Kazimir than pay what should be a big bonus. Get that mother fucker back in NY. Trade Lastings Milledge and a few minor league pitchers to get Kazimir back. Willis is on the market too. Have the Mets load up pitching, cause anyone who knows the history of the Mets knows that Shea is a pitchers ballpark. Through and through. Lets rebuild a pitching staff that could be Seaver/Koosman/Gooden and Cone again.

And yes, I agree with Hippo, merge this with the offseason thread.

[Snoogans]

im not positive, but im pretty sure it would be illegal to just ask people to send money to sign a guy. it's illegal to ask people to send you money on the radio or tv unless its for like charity. not sure about the biz laws though

[BoondockSaint]

So, the hundreds of dollars a year that I already spend on the Mets isn't enough?

Plus, it would put the Mets over the luxury tax limit so they would actually be paying $42mil per year for most of his contract.

[TheGameHHH]

im not positive, but im pretty sure it would be illegal to just ask people to send money to sign a guy. it's illegal to ask people to send you money on the radio or tv unless its for like charity. not sure about the biz laws though

yea i assume you've gotta be correct here, theres no way people can directly contribute to a players salary. Indirectly you have tickets sales, merchandise and the like. But you can't start a fund to sign a player.

[BoondockSaint]

Is anyone else going to buy a CitiField brick? (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/11/06/2007-11-06_mets_start_selling_commemorative_bricks_.html) I think I'll buy one that says, "Kevin from RonFez.net loves the Mets."

[BoondockSaint]

How the fuck did David Wright win a Gold Glove?

[Kevin]

How the fuck did David Wright win a Gold Glove?

Same way Jeter has the past 3 years..

[Bossanova]

Kevins two favorite sports talk hosts called Wright getting a gold glove a disgrace. He sould not have won, but a disgrace. Fucking jerkoffs

[BoondockSaint]

Disgrace is a little strong.

[sailor]

if the mets want to sign him, they can just do it, they're not poor. i thought mets fans hated arod over how he dicked them around before going to texas tho'

[BoondockSaint]

if the mets want to sign him, they can just do it, they're not poor. i thought mets fans hated arod over how he dicked them around before going to texas tho'

He never dicked around. Boras said A-Rod wanted office space, a merchandise tent, etc. and Steve Phillips said, "See ya!"

[sailor]

He never dicked around. Boras said A-Rod wanted office space, a merchandise tent, etc. and Steve Phillips said, "See ya!"

i just remember all the mets fans i knew were super-pissed. i'm not sure on the details, but maybe they thought they had him then he upped his demands at the last moment? really not sure, but like i said, all the mets fans i knew were pissed.

[Bulldogcakes]

So, the hundreds of dollars a year that I already spend on the Mets isn't enough?


Bingo


Plus, it would put the Mets over the luxury tax limit so they would actually be paying $42mil per year for most of his contract.


Bingo again.

[BoondockSaint]

i just remember all the mets fans i knew were super-pissed. i'm not sure on the details, but maybe they thought they had him then he upped his demands at the last moment? really not sure, but like i said, all the mets fans i knew were pissed.

At the time Mets fans thought that they were just excuses, that they were really just being cheap and didn't want to spend the money. Now, in hindsight, it looks like Steve Phillips actually made the right call when he said it create a 24+1 enviorment.

[HBox]

I think Scott Boras would cum if he read this.

[zildjian361]

no way he goes to the Mets for 35 mil the Yanks can get some young strong arms but i'll miss him.:bye:

[IMSlacker]

AROD meeting with the Mets....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/11/05/gm.meetings.mon.night/

What do you think of this idea :

AROD wants $30 million a year..but is a value at $15 million, no? I mean the Yankees were paying him that practically (with Texas paying $7 million).

If that's the case, what if the mets started a "Die Hard Fan" Club.

There has to be 3 million Met fans around the country that would want AROD right?

What if we can get 10% of them (300,000) or 5% of them (150,000) to purchase a "ultra fan club registration" of $100 each (x150k) or $50 each (x300k)? That fan club cost would get you a "special edition" AROD, hat, jersey, etc, a password to a special Mets site, perhaps to get SNY "Sportsnite" downloads for free for ipod or something, 4 pairs of tickets to games (crappy seats, upper decks for pirates, nationals, etc).

We could use that money to pay for the $15 million or so for AROD and the Mets can pay the remaining $15 million or so .

Thoughts?

I would sign up for that to bring AROD to Shea / Citi Field.

The problem with your plan is that the Mets would either have to sign ARod and then convince the fans to join this superfan club to pay for the contract or sign up all of the superfans and then try to go sign ARod. If they sign ARod first, what incentive is there to join the superfan club? And, If they sign up the superfans first, then they are committed to signing ARod and would be in a horrible negotiating position with Boras.

[cougarjake13]

Fuck that...the Mets need pitching and I heard that the D-Rays are looking to dump Kazimir than pay what should be a big bonus. Get that mother fucker back in NY. Trade Lastings Milledge and a few minor league pitchers to get Kazimir back. Willis is on the market too. Have the Mets load up pitching, cause anyone who knows the history of the Mets knows that Shea is a pitchers ballpark. Through and through. Lets rebuild a pitching staff that could be Seaver/Koosman/Gooden and Cone again.

And yes, I agree with Hippo, merge this with the offseason thread.

yeh but its only for one more year after that it will be in citi field and i dont know what kind of park that will be

[BoondockSaint]

yeh but its only for one more year after that it will be in citi field and i dont know what kind of park that will be

Shea

Left field - 338
Left center - 371
Center - 410
Right center - 371
Right field - 338

CitiField
Left field - 335
Left center - 379
Center - 408
Right center - 383
Right field - 330

[NickyL0885]

I think the Mets get A-Rod, sign Carlos Silva, sign Yorvit Torrealba, re-sign Castillo, and....Trade Delgado. Also, possibly try for Rich Harden. Rotation will be as follows: Pedro, Maine, Perez, Silva, Pelfrey/Harden/FA Signing. Line -Up: Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Arod, Alou, Milledge , Torrealba.

[cougarjake13]

Shea

Left field - 338
Left center - 371
Center - 410
Right center - 371
Right field - 338

CitiField
Left field - 335
Left center - 379
Center - 408
Right center - 383
Right field - 330

ahh

so it'll be more of the same

[Snoogans]

i hope you losers at least get a new apple
it looks like shit now

[cougarjake13]

i hope you losers at least get a new apple
it looks like shit now

they are

and if i remember correctly there was a bunch of fans who were trying to get a petition to get the old apple brought over

[Snoogans]

they are

and if i remember correctly there was a bunch of fans who were trying to get a petition to get the old apple brought over

makes sense, thats what you get used to when you played in that dump shea for so long

[BoondockSaint]

Progress never!
Old apple forever!

[Doogie]

Progress never!
Old apple forever!

Fuck that old apple, that thing is rotten. It looks all old and decrepit and has been exposed to all sorts of dust anyways. Dont transfer over that virus globe.

[cougarjake13]

Fuck that old apple, that thing is rotten. It looks all old and decrepit and has been exposed to all sorts of dust anyways. Dont transfer over that virus globe.

i like the idea of the new one but keep the old one around somewhere

[cougarjake13]

i was hearing some rumors of a milledge, heilman, pelfrey package to oakland for dan haren


i like it, anyone else ???

[BoondockSaint]

i was hearing some rumors of a milledge, heilman, pelfrey package to oakland for dan haren


i like it, anyone else ???

I'd buy their airfare.

[Kevin]

I think the Mets get A-Rod, sign Carlos Silva, sign Yorvit Torrealba, re-sign Castillo, and....Trade Delgado. Also, possibly try for Rich Harden. Rotation will be as follows: Pedro, Maine, Perez, Silva, Pelfrey/Harden/FA Signing. Line -Up: Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Arod, Alou, Milledge , Torrealba.

The only thing that def wont happen on that list is Arod.. The others i could def see happen.. Also.. change Haran for Harden and Scratch Milladge off that list, if you want Harran..

[cougarjake13]

The only thing that def wont happen on that list is Arod.. The others i could def see happen.. Also.. change Haran for Harden and Scratch Milladge off that list, if you want Harran..

i'd like silva signing and i dont know much about torrealba, but looking at his stats he is a downgrade offensively from lo duca

[BoondockSaint]

The only thing that def wont happen on that list is Arod.. The others i could def see happen.. Also.. change Haran for Harden and Scratch Milladge off that list, if you want Harran..


I wouldn't trade you for Harden.

[Kevin]

I wouldn't trade you for Harden.

Boy thats a back handed compliment if i ever saw one..

[BeerBandit]

I don't understand the ravings for Torrealba. He's terrible. I know he's younger than Lo Duca, but as is he hits for a lower average, has less power, and if there was anybody who threw out less runners than Lo Duca it's this chump. Let's not forget the problems "Mets fans" had with Mikey "Steal on me" Piazza. If the choice is between them give me Paulie, at least he's a phenomonal clubhouse guy and he doesn't strike out as much. 73-396 as opposed to 33-445.

[Bulldogcakes]

MLB Trade Rumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/)

Mets Close To Deals With Torrealba, Castro

UPDATE, AFTERNOON OF 11-14-07: Matthew Cerrone of MetsBlog suggests that the Mets are offering Torrealba a three-year, $15MM deal. Yikes. He's barely more than a backup to me.

UPDATE, MORNING OF 11-14-07: Ken Rosenthal agrees, it looks like a Torrealba/Castro tandem for the Mets. Interestingly they're expected to split playing time about evenly. Creative!

[Bossanova]

I don't like that at all

[BoondockSaint]

Just bring LoDuca back.

[Bulldogcakes]

Just bring LoDuca back.

Maybe if he changes his name to Loducasita and he tells Omar his mom was Puerto Rican.

[Bossanova]

I just don't fucking get Omar. Latins aren't the only players on the planet

[BoondockSaint]

Maybe if he changes his name to Loducasita and he tells Omar his mom was Puerto Rican.

Or:
Rodriguez
Posada
Rivera
Abreu

[cougarjake13]

rumor has it that omar is interested in bringing in benito santiago

[Bulldogcakes]

Or:
Rodriguez
Posada
Rivera
Abreu

Jeter
Giambi
Duncan
Mussina
Hughes
Chamberlain
Matsui
Kennedy
Ohlendorf
Farnsworthless
Wang

Don't go down that road.

[Bossanova]

rumor has it that omar is interested in bringing in benito santiago

You better be kidding

[Kevin]

rumor has it that omar is interested in bringing in benito santiago

Too young..

[cougarjake13]

You better be kidding

as kurt angle used to say its true

its damn true

[King Hippos Bandaid]

My Dad's good friend was Willie Randolphs HS Baseball Manager at Tilden HS in Brooklyn and a close friend

Willie told him that Beltran and Delgado are stat whores

Reyes is a clown and no one likes him

Minaya comes into the clubhouse and oversteps his balance and screams at the players in Spanish.

Randolph is not much more than a figure head

I have met Willie Randolph twice because of this guy, so I kinda believe him

:king:

[BoondockSaint]

Jeter
Giambi
Duncan
Mussina
Hughes
Chamberlain
Matsui
Kennedy
Ohlendorf
Farnsworthless
Wang

Don't go down that road.


You're right. It is strange that the Yankees have re-signed their Latino players when they are obviously trying to get a Hitler Youth squad.

[Bossanova]

My Dad's good friend was Willie Randolphs HS Baseball Manager and close friend

Willie told him that Beltran and Delgado are stat whores
Reyes is a clown and no one likes him

Minaya comes into the clubhouse and oversteps his balance and screams at the players in Spanish.

Randolph is not much more than a figure head

I have met Willie Randolph twice because of this guy, so I kinda believe him

:king:


Well they suck at padding them

[Kevin]

You're right. It is strange that the Yankees have re-signed their Latino players when they are obviously trying to get a Hitler Youth squad.

Latin players are awful.. why would you want them??

[Bossanova]

Blue eye blonde hair is the way of the future

[cougarjake13]

Blue eye blonde hair is the way of the future

so thats what rey ordonez was doing

[Bossanova]

so thats what rey ordonez was doing

uh................. YEAH

[Clutch]

Millage - Pelfry - (someone else - maybe Perez) to Minnesota for Santana and sign Silva and Livan Hernandez and give Glavine a respectable low offer for a year just to look nice.. castilla at second and pickup that RF from seattle for a year or two to develop Gomez and the other kid we got in the minors .. sign a catcher and effn draft a amn good catcher for the future ...

Can a met's fan have that big a christmas list?

[BoondockSaint]

Millage - Pelfry - (someone else - maybe Perez) to Minnesota for Santana

Why would the Twins ever take that offer for the best pitcher in baseball?

[Kevin]

Why would the Twins ever take that offer for the best pitcher in baseball?


Didnt you hear the news???

The twins read RF.net.. And immediately hired BDC as their new GM!

[BoondockSaint]

Didnt you hear the news???

The twins read RF.net.. And immediately hired BDC as their new GM!

WHY DON"T YOU JUST STAY IN THE YANKEES THREAD!

[BeerBandit]

Forget Silva. If he's not an ace, I don't want him. We've got a rotation full of 2's and 3's. Don't give me "he's an innings eater." Everyone in the AL is an innings eater when the pitcher doesn't hit. If he gives up 5+ runs a game (his ERA 2006-07) he'll be pulled in the 6th. We need bullpen, bullpen, bullpen. And hey Omar, what's wrong with Michael Barrett. He's got moxie. Maybe he'd clock Perez the next he walks 7 guys in less than 3 innings.

[cougarjake13]

Millage - Pelfry - (someone else - maybe Perez) to Minnesota for Santana and sign Silva and Livan Hernandez and give Glavine a respectable low offer for a year just to look nice.. castilla at second and pickup that RF from seattle for a year or two to develop Gomez and the other kid we got in the minors .. sign a catcher and effn draft a amn good catcher for the future ...

Can a met's fan have that big a christmas list?

Why would the Twins ever take that offer for the best pitcher in baseball?

plus minaya would never trade perez

[cougarjake13]

Forget Silva. If he's not an ace, I don't want him. We've got a rotation full of 2's and 3's. Don't give me "he's an innings eater." Everyone in the AL is an innings eater when the pitcher doesn't hit. If he gives up 5+ runs a game (his ERA 2006-07) he'll be pulled in the 6th. We need bullpen, bullpen, bullpen. And hey Omar, what's wrong with Michael Barrett. He's got moxie. Maybe he'd clock Perez the next he walks 7 guys in less than 3 innings.

he's white

[cougarjake13]

the latin infusion continues

torrealba signing will be announced in the next few days