New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Thank God. It's too hot to eat a hat anyway.

[Kevin]

Boonie...


BRINGING THE TV TITLE HOME THROUGH THE CANYON OF HERO'S.. WOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[Chip196]

If the Mets lose 2-1 again today I will eat my hat.

Your hat is already safe!!!

Delgado Triple ... NICE!

[Bossanova]

I think Easly should be the everyday shorstop. Won't get that production anywhere else.

[BoondockSaint]

I hate this team and baseball is a stupid game.

[Bossanova]

I hate this team and baseball is a stupid game.

Why is it that when I start to warm up to fuckface, he has to give up a go ahead HR.

He needs to slide to first

[Chip196]

I've never been a fan of a more frustrating team in any sport in my life.

[K.C.]

Start the Willie watch again.

[Bossanova]

Swept and now 7.5 behind. I agree Chip, I have never been through this with a team.

Ok, so we had a few wins, but Willie needs to go. This time I mean it more than the other 40 times

[hammersavage]

Willie Watch for 6/8/08: 8 out of 10

[docgoblin]

Swept and now 7.5 behind. I agree Chip, I have never been through this with a team.

Ok, so we had a few wins, but Willie needs to go. This time I mean it more than the other 40 times

Yes, because Willie gave up a three run homer right after the ump called a perfect pitch, that would have been strike 3 inning over, a ball. Willie also decided to waste three good outings by the starters and lose to the Padres 2-1 in all three games when the offense left dozens of runners in scoring position... Yep! It's all Willie's fault.

[K.C.]

Yes, because Willie gave up a three run homer right after the ump called a perfect pitch, that would have been strike 3 inning over, a ball. Willie also decided to waste three good outings by the starters and lose to the Padres 2-1 in all three games when the offense left dozens of runners in scoring position... Yep! It's all Willie's fault.

Well I'd be pretty surprised if they fire Omar (even though they should), so Willie will take the first fall.

Whether it's tomorrow or not...

[Bossanova]

Yes, because Willie gave up a three run homer right after the ump called a perfect pitch, that would have been strike 3 inning over, a ball. Willie also decided to waste three good outings by the starters and lose to the Padres 2-1 in all three games when the offense left dozens of runners in scoring position... Yep! It's all Willie's fault.

Dude, seriously think bout your response to me. Do we not all blame Willie? Do we not all fuck around here? Have I ever posted a serious thought here? NO WILLIE DIDN"T DO THOSE THINGS............................................ ........

But someone has to go and you don't fire players with 16 million dollar deals. Its Omar (owners love him) or Willie (owners hate him).

Pick one, or stay 7 games behind the rest of the fucking year. Get a grip, its baseball. You cant keep everyone around for ever

[spadanko]

right now without alou and church in this lineup, they are a 500 team. plain and simple. I have never been so frustrated with a team. I think a new voice needs to enter the fray. I love willie but it's time for him to go....... again

[lleeder]

I think a new voice needs to enter the fray.

I don't see how getting rid of Isaac Slade or Joe King is gonna help the Mets.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

swept by the Padres

this is probable cause for immediate termination

[docgoblin]

Dude, seriously think bout your response to me. Do we not all blame Willie? Do we not all fuck around here? Have I ever posted a serious thought here? NO WILLIE DIDN"T DO THOSE THINGS............................................ ........

But someone has to go and you don't fire players with 16 million dollar deals. Its Omar (owners love him) or Willie (owners hate him).

Pick one, or stay 7 games behind the rest of the fucking year. Get a grip, its baseball. You cant keep everyone around for ever

Good... I'm with ya! So who takes over? In a season where Fred Wilpon vehemently said he refuses to go into a new stadium on a losing note, which veteran winning manager will take the reins on June 10th and guide them to the promised land?... There is none. The core is a talented bunch of individuals that Willie got to within one game of the series two years ago. Minaya is the one that made all the personnel moves in the last few years that have backfired (keeping Castillo, Delgado, Alou, Perez while getting rid of Bannister, Gomez, Nady etc...). Then he ties Willie's hands behind his back by ham handing his coaching staff. Minaya is the #1 culprit in this. You can fire Willie, but that ain't gonna win the division or get Mr. Wilpon a winning team going into his new stadium. This is a giant cluster fuck no matter how you slice it. I feel bad for the guys who really care like Wright, Beltran, Wagner, Maine and Pedro. This really sucks for them.

[Bossanova]

Good... I'm with ya! So who takes over? In a season where Fred Wilpon vehemently said he refuses to go into a new stadium on a losing note, which veteran winning manager will take the reins on June 10th and guide them to the promised land?... There is none. The core is a talented bunch of individuals that Willie got to within one game of the series two years ago. Minaya is the one that made all the personnel moves in the last few years that have backfired (keeping Castillo, Delgado, Alou, Perez while getting rid of Bannister, Gomez, Nady etc...). Then he ties Willie's hands behind his back by ham handing his coaching staff. Minaya is the #1 culprit in this. You can fire Willie, but that ain't gonna win the division or get Mr. Wilpon a winning team going into his new stadium. This is a giant cluster fuck no matter how you slice it. I feel bad for the guys who really care like Wright, Beltran, Wagner, Maine and Pedro. This really sucks for them.


I am not saying that there is an obvious answer. I personally would rather see Omar go, but he isnt going anywhere. I in no way beieve this team is going to win the division this year, so why not start to right the ship now so they have something next year. Willie does have his hands tied, but he has also lost that clubhouse. Many, including Reyes don't seem to care about him or what his team does. Omar as the GM has to either get his players in line or find someone to mesh with them.

[dino_electropolis]

Yes, because Willie gave up a three run homer right after the ump called a perfect pitch, that would have been strike 3 inning over, a ball. Willie also decided to waste three good outings by the starters and lose to the Padres 2-1 in all three games when the offense left dozens of runners in scoring position... Yep! It's all Willie's fault.

Yep, it IS willies fault......lefties are batting a pathetic average (.180?) against Sanchez, but Willie brings in Wagner??????


Willie has no fire....he tries this stoic Torre-like approach, but he doesnt have the record to back it up.....

Im sure hes a nice guy, but a bad coach, for this team at least.

[Snoogans]

Dont feel bad, guys. The Padres are a really tough team, alot of people get swept by.......oh wait, this was their 27th win. Sorry about that

[docgoblin]

Yep, it IS willies fault......lefties are batting a pathetic average (.180?) against Sanchez, but Willie brings in Wagner??????


Willie has no fire....he tries this stoic Torre-like approach, but he doesnt have the record to back it up.....

Im sure hes a nice guy, but a bad coach, for this team at least.

But, Like Mike and the Dog will always ask, who takes over? No one has an answer for that. it's just "Willie has to go!" I agree that he and Omar both have to own up to this mess. This is a very crucial year for this team. These (offensive) players need to do their jobs and figure out how to score three runs and beat the Padres in the first 3 games of this series. I've been watching this team since 1969. Almost every year it's the same frustrating crap! No matter who the owner, GM or manager is, they can never seem to live up to their potential.

Who takes over for Willie when he gets the boot?... That's all I'm asking.

[Bossanova]

But, Like Mike and the Dog will always ask, who takes over? No one has an answer for that. it's just "Willie has to go!" I agree that he and Omar both have to own up to this mess. This is a very crucial year for this team. These (offensive) players need to do their jobs and figure out how to score three runs and beat the Padres in the first 3 games of this series. I've been watching this team since 1969. Almost every year it's the same frustrating crap! No matter who the owner, GM or manager is, they can never seem to live up to their potential.

Who takes over for Willie when he gets the boot?... That's all I'm asking.

Thankfully, me you and Mike and the Maddog don't get paid for that. Let the Wilpons and Omar figure it out. There are many people qualified to be a manager out there. Omar just doesn't want to admit he fucked up. Thats the biggest reason nothing has been done. I do understand what you are saying, but Willie can not be the best option in all of baseball. They have money, and they have the big city.

[Snoogans]

Thankfully, me you and Mike and the Maddog don't get paid for that. Let the Wilpons and Omar figure it out. There are many people qualified to be a manager out there. Omar just doesn't want to admit he fucked up. Thats the biggest reason nothing has been done. I do understand what you are saying, but Willie can not be the best option in all of baseball. They have money, and they have the big city.

I could be wrong, but I thought the Wilpns brought in Willie themselves before Omar. I dont really give a shit so I could be misremembering

[Bossanova]

I could be wrong, but I thought the Wilpns brought in Willie themselves before Omar. I dont really give a shit so I could be misremembering

I not Jeff didn't want him. I thought for some reason Omar brought him in. Who the fuck knows, I hate this entire franchise

[dino_electropolis]

But, Like Mike and the Dog will always ask, who takes over? No one has an answer for that. it's just "Willie has to go!" I agree that he and Omar both have to own up to this mess. This is a very crucial year for this team. These (offensive) players need to do their jobs and figure out how to score three runs and beat the Padres in the first 3 games of this series. I've been watching this team since 1969. Almost every year it's the same frustrating crap! No matter who the owner, GM or manager is, they can never seem to live up to their potential.

Who takes over for Willie when he gets the boot?... That's all I'm asking.

I would be lyin if i sad i had even the faintest idea as to who should replace him.....but if we aint gonna make the playoffs, i say bring back Bobby V so at least we get entertained by his insane shenanigans.

Say what you will about him, the man was passionate.

[Snoogans]

I would be lyin if i sad i had even the faintest idea as to who should replace him.....but if we aint gonna make the playoffs, i say bring back Bobby V so at least we get entertained by his insane shenanigans.

Say what you will about him, the man was passionate.

The one you let get away. BOBBY FUCKIN V. Too bad he would never take the job, but that IS who you should have managing

[Bossanova]

The one you let get away. BOBBY FUCKIN V. Too bad he would never take the job, but that IS who you should have managing

Rumor has it that he is going to Seattle next year

[Snoogans]

Rumor has it that he is going to Seattle next year

Rumor also has it he loves Japan so much he doesn't wanna leave. Rumor also has it Benny Agbayani is 760 pounds now. Rumors are awesome

[Bossanova]

Rumor also has it he loves Japan so much he doesn't wanna leave. Rumor also has it Benny Agbayani is 760 pounds now. Rumors are awesome

Oh, I can not imagine that he is leaving Japan.

[epo]

It's so funny to hear people bitch about their manager when that manager has an incomplete pitching staff to work with. I understand everyone is going to bitch about the manager...but that GM gave him that rotation & bullpen. A 4.12 ERA is not going to get the job done.

[K.C.]

How is Ramon Castro still on that team? Your team is on the verge of getting swept by an awful team and you show up two hours late because you 'overslept'????

[Kevin]

It's so funny to hear people bitch about their manager when that manager has an incomplete pitching staff to work with. I understand everyone is going to bitch about the manager...but that GM gave him that rotation & bullpen. A 4.12 ERA is not going to get the job done.

DAMMIT EPO! This is NY here, you stay out of this with your Wisconsin logic!

[Snoogans]

It's so funny to hear people bitch about their manager when that manager has an incomplete pitching staff to work with. I understand everyone is going to bitch about the manager...but that GM gave him that rotation & bullpen. A 4.12 ERA is not going to get the job done.

It doesnt mean he manages well. Yea the team might suck, but they also dont respond to him. He makes bad moves, he is known to juggle the lineup way too much. He is a douche and should be fired, and the players are douches and should be cut.

[docgoblin]

It's so funny to hear people bitch about their manager when that manager has an incomplete pitching staff to work with. I understand everyone is going to bitch about the manager...but that GM gave him that rotation & bullpen. A 4.12 ERA is not going to get the job done.

You can't blame the pitching for the first three games in San Diego. Losing 2-1 three times goes squarely on the offense, especially when they left about 400 men in scoring position in the series. Ugggh!:wallbash:

[PD]

You can't blame the pitching for the first three games in San Diego. Losing 2-1 three times goes squarely on the offense, especially when they left about 400 men in scoring position in the series. Ugggh!:wallbash:

It's all about the offense. This team has been starting backups at 2 corner outfields, a first baseman who may rank 29th in OPS (just a guess), a 2nd baseman with no power. That gives them no room for mistakes, and when Reyes blows a popup, or Wagner gives up a HR, you are doomed.

[NickyL0885]

Like they were saying on SNY today. perhaps the mets need a shake up. something like the Mike Piazza move yrs ago. and Reyes needs to fucking hit the ball on the ground. Keith said it in San Diego. If he hits the ball on the top of it, it bounces high and with his speed, he beats out most of those hits. Alou is coming back tomorrow. Great......how long till he needs to go on the DL b/c his ribs broke when he sneezed too hard....

[spadanko]

Church headefd to the DL. Alou activated tomorrow. Church could be out a while. concussions are a scary thing. they may need to make a move for a corner OF.

[K.C.]

Church headefd to the DL. Alou activated tomorrow. Church could be out a while. concussions are a scary thing. they may need to make a move for a corner OF.

Pete Incaviglia is available.

[cougarjake13]

Like they were saying on SNY today. perhaps the mets need a shake up. something like the Mike Piazza move yrs ago. and Reyes needs to fucking hit the ball on the ground. Keith said it in San Diego. If he hits the ball on the top of it, it bounces high and with his speed, he beats out most of those hits. Alou is coming back tomorrow. Great......how long till he needs to go on the DL b/c his ribs broke when he sneezed too hard....


so whats the piazza like move ???


griffey jr. ???

[Kevin]

so whats the piazza like move ???


griffey jr. ???

Yea, if this was 1999.

[Towelie]

Don't people forget how much the fan base wanted Bobby V gone by the end of his tenure?

Funny today happens to be 9 years since Mustachegate

[cougarjake13]

Yea, if this was 1999.

so who then ??

[Towelie]

so who then ??

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9253/prodwa2.jpg

[Kevin]

so who then ??

Piazza was in his prime and had many years of it left. Griffey is almost done. Thats a terrible comparison.

I do not think that person is available.

And even if he was, your farm is barren due to the Santana deal.

[PD]

Piazza was in his prime and had many years of it left. Griffey is almost done. Thats a terrible comparison.

I do not think that person is available.

And even if he was, your farm is barren due to the Santana deal.

unfortunately I agree here.

This team shot its load (trade-wise) with Santana. I can't see them having the where-with-all to make any significant trades.

[Bossanova]

Ok, even when this shit fuck team had everything together last year they folded. Unless there is a brash, over talented, hitting 40 plus hr's in the second half and wants to become the team leader that can be traded for. I say use this wasted year as a chance to work on some issues. The Phillies are going to be hard to catch. Lets work on some team unity and maybe take some fielding practice before we trade for another 38+ year old guy to hamper the insurance policy

[BeerBandit]

DA-VID WRIIIIIIIIGHT!:drunk:

[docgoblin]

A 5-1 lead becomes a 9-5 nightmare. This is officially a disaster season!... Pelfrey vs. Webb tomorrow... Should be a great game!:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Kevin]

http://api.ning.com/files/tbHVzVzhox-0zDsbu0wHFneRlgXmHgwnGo5wRDv--Pw_/Mr.MetisSad.jpg

Hey Boss. I think you should make the same i hate this team sig that you have for the Eagles, for every team you root for.

It fits.

[spadanko]

i am so sick of this...

Moises Alou will have an MRI today on his calf.

Alou told reporters that he is ‘embarassed.’


i really can't believe what this season is turning into

[hammersavage]

Every game is a punch to the fucking stomach.

Sorry for Pelfrey...

[Kevin]

Can some tell me why y'all are interviewing the closer on the day he blows another big save?

Fucking shocker.

[cougarjake13]

Can some tell me why y'all are interviewing the closer on the day he blows another big save?

Fucking shocker.

bacon

[spadanko]

i seriously feel sick.

[cougarjake13]

i seriously feel sick.

the giants won the super bowl

[docgoblin]

The announcer wanted to know why the crowd wasn't more enthusiastic when the Mets had the winning run on 2nd and two outs, with Brian Schneider up... Hmmm, I can't put my finger on it... Oh yeah!... Their star closer blew a three run lead in the top of the ninth!:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Towelie]

If they don't pull this one out, I could see a serious downward spiral for the rest of the season.

For the 64th game of the year, this one is massive.

[spadanko]

i seriously feel sick.


i know.. that does cheer me up... then i put these shlebs on

[Towelie]

Thank you god.

[spadanko]

Fuck The Beltran Haters!!!!

[hammersavage]

If they don't pull this one out, I could see a serious downward spiral for the rest of the season.

i see a downward spiral that started late last May and probably won't end anytime soon.

[PD]

If they don't pull this one out, I could see a serious downward spiral for the rest of the season.

For the 64th game of the year, this one is massive.

Thank you god.

Fuck The Beltran Haters!!!!

yes.

I was out, then listened in car, cringing with every pitch.

[Kevin]

Gary Cohen called that like a gw gm 7 hr.

[Towelie]

Gary Cohen called that like a gw gm 7 hr.

SNY needed a new commercial.

[Towelie]

Now the key is for them to go out and beat the shit out the D-Backs tomorrow

Hopefully Santana can match Pelfrey's performance, and hopefully if they need the pen, the wont fuck up again.

[PD]

Now the key is for them to go out and beat the shit out the D-Backs tomorrow

Hopefully Santana can match Pelfrey's performance, and hopefully if they need the pen, the wont fuck up again.

and hopefully they will score a few runs.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I blame Wayne Hagen FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!

[spadanko]

I blame Wayne Hagen FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!


me too.. he stinks.. too dry

[Jujubees2]

i see a downward spiral that started last September and probably won't end anytime soon.

Fixed it.

[hammersavage]

no need to fix. they've been awful since late last may. like really bad...

[K.C.]

no need to fix. they've been awful since late last may. like really bad...

True...they're right around .500 since either May or June of last season.


By the way, I can't thank Omar Minaya enough for outbidding the Phillies for Billy Wagner with that extra year and $10 mil.

[PD]

True...they're right around .500 since either May or June of last season.


By the way, I can't thank Omar Minaya enough for outbidding the Phillies for Billy Wagner with that extra year and $10 mil.
Phills have so far lucked out with Lidge.

I'm not convinced he is back.

And wags has been on more than not- its just he picked an awful time to go through his "dead arm" period

[K.C.]

Phills have so far lucked out with Lidge.

I'm not convinced he is back.

And wags has been on more than not- its just he picked an awful time to go through his "dead arm" period

You may or may not be right with Lidge...we'll see.

But ask anyone who watched the Phils in 2004 and 2005 and they have the same complaints about Wagner that you guys have now.

He's solid most of the time...but whenever the team absolutely NEEDS a game, he always comes up small.

He lost the Phillies fans in 2005 when they were making a push for the Wild Card against the Astros, and they had a three game set at the Bank with the Astros, and Wagner blew two saves in the three games, both on home runs to Craig Biggio.

That was crushing for them that season...and he destroyed that clubhouse because he wouldn't keep his mouth shut.

[PD]

But ask anyone who watched the Phils in 2004 and 2005 and they have the same complaints about Wagner that you guys have now.

He's solid most of the time...but whenever the team absolutely NEEDS a game, he always comes up small.

He lost the Phillies fans in 2005 when they were making a push for the Wild Card against the Astros, and they had a three game set at the Bank with the Astros, and Wagner blew two saves in the three games, both on home runs to Craig Biggio.

That was crushing for them that season...and he destroyed that clubhouse because he wouldn't keep his mouth shut.

He's no Mariano, without a doubt. When he was an Astro, I still remember Piazza taking him deep at big moment.

Having said that, he's a shit load better than Braden Looper, Armando Benitez, Jorge Julio, and even John Franco.

[Jujubees2]

F-ing Billy Wagner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Towelie]

"Perez has honestly got to step up and know that we've just used every guy in our bullpen the night before," said closer Billy Wagner. "He can't come out there and decide that gee, he hasn't got it today, and so be it.


I'll take statements a closer wishes he could retract for $200 Alex.

[PD]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/frostyli/mrmet.jpg

[King Hippos Bandaid]

my new fashion accessory

http://www.merryswankster.com/images/alg_mets-paper-bags.jpg

[spadanko]

unreal... un fucking real....

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash:

[K.C.]

If Omar had a latino closer, this never would have happened!

[Friday]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/frostyli/mrmet.jpg

i am right there with ya, Mr Met..... *sigh*

[joethebartender]

I hear that they're going to stop serving beer after the 10th inning stretch at shea now. C'mon, the 7th inning is only half the game lately. WTF???:help::blink::surrender:

[K.C.]

Question:

If Willie Randolph gets fired in the near future, would he still coach the All-Star game on the NL side since he's slotted to do so?

I can't imagine he would, but stranger things have happened.

[Devo37]

If Omar had a latino closer, this never would have happened!

:lol: QFT!!!


(board gossip voice) ay, chi-chi! Perhaps Billy Wagner's entrance theme should be changed to "Enter Sandbag Man"...

[Kevin]

If Omar had a latino closer, this never would have happened!


Yyyyyyyea.. They have already tried that..

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAES022~Armando-Benitez-Studio-Portrait-Posters.jpg

[PD]

from Metsblog.com
…the buzz from Shea Stadium is out of control, all suggesting that Willie Randolph could be fired as early as this weekend, depending on how the team performs this weekend…

…in short, all sorts of people connected to the team are preparing for how best to handle life after willie..

…initially, i was under the impression he would at least get until the off day between playing the Angels and Rockies on the road, but things are sounding more serios than that…

…it appears willie only has one or two supporters left among the braintrust, and those supporters are running out of room…

:glurps:

[Towelie]

Imagine if we could have held a few of those leads in the last week? We'd be on an 8 of 9 streak right now.

Oh well, things are gradually looking better all around, that is of course except for the bullpen's performance (besides tonight anyhow)

[docgoblin]

Imagine if we could have held a few of those leads in the last week? We'd be on an 8 of 9 streak right now.

Oh well, things are gradually looking better all around, that is of course except for the bullpen's performance (besides tonight anyhow)

Imagine if Wagner did his job during the D'Backs series... They'd be 5 1/2 out and would have won 4 straight. If the starters keep pitching like this I'm sure Wags and the offense will come around. All hope is not lost!

[PD]

1 game at a time.

By the way, Omar announced they purchased Trot Nixon from D-backs.

don't know what hes got left, but he is a fiery guy.

[spadanko]

i like the Nixon deal. better then sending marlon anderson out there evry day

[cougarjake13]

Question:

If Willie Randolph gets fired in the near future, would he still coach the All-Star game on the NL side since he's slotted to do so?

I can't imagine he would, but stranger things have happened.




isnt the losing manager of the world series suposed to be the all star manager, in this case being clint hurdle ???

[Kevin]

isnt the losing manager of the world series suposed to be the all star manager, in this case being clint hurdle ???

They have other managers as coaches.

Girardi is a coach in the AL side.

[K.C.]

i like the Nixon deal. better then sending marlon anderson out there evry day

I actually think it's a decent move, too.

I haven't really seen or heard anything about Nixon lately, but if he has anything left, he'll at least could be a decent lefty option off the bench. And the Mets' bench is dreadful. That could help

Nice low-risk pick up.

[PD]

Rain out.
I'll be there tomorrow for the double dip;
Pedro and Maine.

I hope I'm not disappointed.

[mikeyboy]

Rain out.

:sad::glurps: Just came back from the stadium with my daughter. I was really looking forward to some baseball.

[Marc with a c]

:sad::glurps: Just came back from the stadium with my daughter. I was really looking forward to some baseball.

you should of come to see jon play second base and his whirling dervish throwing technique

[extracheese]

how does that work?
There was a game scheduled for tomorrow..so do the people from the first game have to leave after game 1, and the second game people then come in?

How do they make sure all the first game folks leave and are not in the bathroom or inside somewhere?

[Towelie]

how does that work?
There was a game scheduled for tomorrow..so do the people from the first game have to leave after game 1, and the second game people then come in?

How do they make sure all the first game folks leave and are not in the bathroom or inside somewhere?

Not as if they have many bathrooms to check

[Marc with a c]

it's an old school double header tomorrow. one admission

[Devo37]

i was at the stadium tonight (and got my shea stadium replica which is now proudly sitting on my wall unit), and i thought they said that tonight's tickets would not be honored tomorrow, but could be redeemed for any other game this season.

[Towelie]

I would bench any player who falls for the 3rd to 1st trick

Embarrassing.

[Kevin]

I would bench any player who falls for the 3rd to 1st trick

Embarrassing.

Who fell for the Jeff Nelson?

[Towelie]

Who fell for the Jeff Nelson?

Ian Kinsler

[Kevin]

Ian Kinsler

I am sure he will get a good kangaroo court fine.

[cougarjake13]

They have other managers as coaches.

Girardi is a coach in the AL side.

yeh i thought he meant willie as the manager

thought they made some deal where the mets and yanks mgrs would be all star mgrs

[Kevin]

So i guess its Willy's fault that Delgado sucks..

[Gmann]

How The Hell Do You Send Brian Schneider With 2 Outs ??

You Know The Guy Cant Run For Shit!!!!

[hammersavage]

And the immortal Robinson Cancel may have saved Willie's job for at least one more day...

[PD]

How The Hell Do You Send Brian Schneider With 2 Outs ??

You Know The Guy Cant Run For Shit!!!!

I was at the stadium today.

That and the play that preceded it (not scoring on the single ) perplexed everyone.

Having said that, it was a mixed day; 1st game was missed opportunities and awful bullpen- but I did appreciate that they didn't fold and mounted a comeback.

2nd game, started slow but they took advantage of Ranger mistakes to take the lead, and bullpen shut it down.

Lets see what continues on the road.

[docgoblin]

And the immortal Robinson Cancel may have saved Willie's job for at least one more day...

They listed that guy as 6' 0" and 195 lbs... If he's any less than 250 I'll eat my hat!

[Kevin]

They listed that guy as 6' 0" and 195 lbs... If he's any less than 250 I'll eat my hat!

Seriously, maybe 195 on the moon.

He looks like that Bos pitcher. I forget his name now.

[hammersavage]

'El Guapo' Rich Garces

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/images/05/10/p1_garces.jpg

[Kevin]

'El Guapo' Rich Garces

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/images/05/10/p1_garces.jpg

Yes!

[sailor]

i just read that willie could be fired as early as tomorrow. i think this is a bad move, but it got me thinking: what happens when a manager gets fired on the road? does the team give him a ticket back home. is getting home up to his own wiles? silly question, but that's what consumes my thoughts late at night.

[Towelie]

Willie will survive until the next off day (Thursday)

Theres no way the could fire him after taking two of three at home. If he would have lost the nightcap he would have probably gotten shitcanned and not gotten on the plane to LA, but as of now, he's probably on a series by series basis.

This is a tough series for him to be headed into on the absolute hot seat facing Weaver, Lackey and Garland, but if we can win two of three, he'll probably survive until next Thursday.

My guess is that if they dont win at least 6 of the next 9, he'll be fired before the Yankees series.

Ironic really.

[Towelie]

Sources have told the Daily News that principal owner Fred Wilpon and chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon have authorized Minaya to fire Randolph, pitching coach Rick Peterson and first base coach Tom Nieto. Bench coach Jerry Manuel would ascend to manager if Randolph is ousted, while Triple-A New Orleans manager Ken Oberkfell and pitching coach Dan Warthen would join the major league staff.

A team insider speculated that Randolph could survive a first round of firings, saying: "I think the coaches are in trouble. That may be the compromise for now."

Pressed with the point that no reporter was looking for an assurance of jobs for the year, a month or even a week - just for Monday night's game - Minaya added: "I keep on answering the question the same way it's always been. We have a manager. We have coaches. ... You know my feelings on it. I think we're not playing to our potential. I always like to leave myself to be able to evaluate those things."

Firing Peterson is useless. Just axe the whole staff or leave it be.

[Kevin]

Firing Peterson is useless. Just axe the whole staff or leave it be.

Thats a terrible move, by i am sorry, a terribly run franchise. If you fire all his coaches and leave Willie. He will have NO credibility with the media or his players. Maniya is hesitant to fire Willie because he knows that if the team struggles after he fires Willie. His head is on the block.

[Kevin]

the Wilpons seem to be good owners who are willing to spend. But Omar has been terrible.

[Towelie]

Thats a terrible move, by i am sorry, a terribly run franchise. If you fire all his coaches and leave Willie. He will have NO credibility with the media or his players. Maniya is hesitant to fire Willie because he knows that if the team struggles after he fires Willie. His head is on the block.

Omar's head is already on the block.

I can understand firing Nieto and Alomar, since the baserunning on the team has just been terrible, and I can even understand firing Peterson if they want to justify Perez and Maine's struggles

Leo Mazzone is looking for a job. I'd hire him in a heartbeat.

The Mets have shook up their coaching staff before and its succeeded (in 1999 they fired Bob Apodaca, Tom Robson and Randy Niemann in June and everyone thought Bobby V was done) and its failed (Rick Down last year)

So who knows, just another day as the Mets Front Office Turns.

[Kevin]

Omar's head is already on the block.

I can understand firing Nieto and Alomar, since the baserunning on the team has just been terrible, and I can even understand firing Peterson if they want to justify Perez and Maine's struggles

Leo Mazzone is looking for a job. I'd hire him in a heartbeat.

The Mets have shook up their coaching staff before and its succeeded (in 1999 they fired Bob Apodaca, Tom Robson and Randy Niemann in June and everyone thought Bobby V was done) and its failed (Rick Down last year)

So who knows, just another day as the Mets Front Office Turns.

Yea but he is gunna get 1 manager firing. Then if that does not fix it, he is gone.

[Towelie]

the Wilpons seem to be good owners who are willing to spend. But Omar has been terrible.

Omar has hardly been terrible.

Just look at the roster turnover since he's been here.

This was our opening day lineup in 2004:

Matsui SS
Gutierrez 2B
Floyd LF
Piazza C
Cameron CF
Phillips 1B
Garcia RF
Wigginton 3B
Glavine P

He added Pedro Martinez, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, Paul Lo Duca (good for a little while), Billy Wagner, Johan Santana

He hit homeruns with Chad Bradford, Endy Chavez, Jose Valentin, Ramon Castro, Duaner Sanchez, Xavier Nady, Roberto Hernandez, Darren Oliver, Damion Easley, Pedro Feliciano, Marlon Anderson (twice), a juiced up Mota, and Jose Valentin

He flipped Jorge Julio for El Duque, Kris Benson for John Maine, Nady for Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez

Julio Franco was great for a year, and lousy for the next.

He got rid of Mike Stanton and Kaz Matsui

The good not great deals:

Shawn Green for Evan McClane
Signed Moises Alou
Signed Scott Schoeneweis
Drew Butera and Dustin Martin for Luis Castillo
Jose Castro and Sean Henry for Jeff Conine.
Angel Pagan for Corey Coles and Ryan Meyers.
Signed Nelson Figueroa
Signed Claudio Vargas
Matt Wise for Mota
Trot Nixon (so far so good)

As far as the misses:

Losing Cliff Floyd
Jose Lima
Gotay for Keppinger
2 year deal for Mota
Heath Bell and Royce Ring for Jon Adkins and Ben Johnson (Not so much at the time since Ring and Bell sucked for us, but the Bell move looks bad now)
Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom for Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick
Brian Bannister for Ambiorix Burgos.
Losing Jesus Flores
Signed David Newhan
Signed Jorge Sosa (I wouldn't say bad, just doesn't look great now)
Signed Chan Ho Park
Signed Brian Lawrence
4 Year deal for Castillo

And the who gives a shit moves:

Vance Wilson for Anderson Hernandez
Signed Willie Collazo
Signed Ricky Ledee
Signed Dae-Sung Koo
Ian Bladergroen for Doug Mientkiewicz
Jason Phillips for Kaz Ishii
Signed Danny Graves
Signed Aaron Sele

So really, what has been terrible? I'd love to have Lindstrom back and maybe Bannister, but besides that, he hasn't made too many bad moves. And as far as Flores goes, no one in the organization thought any team would take a single A catcher and hold them on the roster for an entire season. Just bad luck really

[Kevin]

Omar has hardly been terrible.

Just look at the roster turnover since he's been here.

This was our opening day lineup in 2004:

Matsui SS
Gutierrez 2B
Floyd LF
Piazza C
Cameron CF
Phillips 1B
Garcia RF
Wigginton 3B
Glavine P

He added Pedro Martinez, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, Paul Lo Duca (good for a little while), Billy Wagner, Johan Santana

He hit homeruns with Chad Bradford, Endy Chavez, Jose Valentin, Ramon Castro, Duaner Sanchez, Xavier Nady, Roberto Hernandez, Darren Oliver, Damion Easley, Pedro Feliciano, Marlon Anderson (twice), a juiced up Mota, and Jose Valentin

He flipped Jorge Julio for El Duque, Kris Benson for John Maine, Nady for Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez

Julio Franco was great for a year, and lousy for the next.

He got rid of Mike Stanton and Kaz Matsui

The good not great deals:

Shawn Green for Evan McClane
Signed Moises Alou
Signed Scott Schoeneweis
Drew Butera and Dustin Martin for Luis Castillo
Jose Castro and Sean Henry for Jeff Conine.
Angel Pagan for Corey Coles and Ryan Meyers.
Signed Nelson Figueroa
Signed Claudio Vargas
Matt Wise for Mota
Trot Nixon (so far so good)

As far as the misses:

Losing Cliff Floyd
Jose Lima
Gotay for Keppinger
2 year deal for Mota
Heath Bell and Royce Ring for Jon Adkins and Ben Johnson (Not so much at the time since Ring and Bell sucked for us, but the Bell move looks bad now)
Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom for Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick
Brian Bannister for Ambiorix Burgos.
Losing Jesus Flores
Signed David Newhan
Signed Jorge Sosa (I wouldn't say bad, just doesn't look great now)
Signed Chan Ho Park
Signed Brian Lawrence
4 Year deal for Castillo

And the who gives a shit moves:

Vance Wilson for Anderson Hernandez
Signed Willie Collazo
Signed Ricky Ledee
Signed Dae-Sung Koo
Ian Bladergroen for Doug Mientkiewicz
Jason Phillips for Kaz Ishii
Signed Danny Graves
Signed Aaron Sele

So really, what has been terrible? I'd love to have Lindstrom back and maybe Bannister, but besides that, he hasn't made too many bad moves. And as far as Flores goes, no one in the organization thought any team would take a single A catcher and hold them on the roster for an entire season. Just bad luck really

The oly great move he has done is Maine.

And those are quite a bit of mistakes there.

As far as Pedro.. He has not really been great. Though he changed the franchise so its good move. Though what he has in comen with the rest of his big aqusuitions. Beltran Johan. Is he only got them because other teams did not really pony up that much for them. Yankees didn't on Santana or Beltran, and they gave like 30 more than what Houston was offering. I would not call those Omar gets. Hell, Beltran went and begged the Yankees to take him.

And this team is basically older, though they have some good young players, and their farm is basicaly barren. This all happened in Omar's watch.

Oh and Alou has been a disaster really. Always hurt and he still gave him a ton. And he was always hurt before he got here.

[K.C.]

* November 30, 2004: Re-signed Kris Benson to a three year, $22.5 million deal, plus $7.5 million club option Meh.
* December 3, 2004: In his first trade as Mets GM, Minaya traded pitcher Mike Stanton and cash to the New York Yankees for Felix Heredia Of no consequence
* December 13, 2004: Selected Henry Owens from the Pittsburgh Pirates in the Minor League Rule V Draft Of no consequence
* December 15, 2004: Signed free agent catcher Ramon Castro Decent
* December 17, 2004: Signed free agent pitcher Pedro Martinez to a four year, $53 million deal Great move from '04-'06...waiting on him the last two years has hurt them. Boston was right not to offer the extra year, but the Mets wouldn't have got him without it. I'll say good.
* January 6, 2005: Traded catcher Vance Wilson to the Detroit Tigers for infielder Anderson Hernandez Good
* January 13, 2005: Signed free agent centerfielder Carlos Beltran to a seven year, $119 million deal Beltran's solid, but way, way, overshot on the deal. Ties up too much in a player that's never quite lived up to what was expected when he signed the deal.
* January 17, 2005: Signed free agent pitcher Roberto Hernandez I remember him pitching great the year the Mets signed him. Good.
* January 27, 2005: Traded minor league first baseman Ian Bladergroen to the Boston Red Sox for Doug Mientkiewicz Good...I have no clue who Bladergroen is.
* March 20, 2005: Traded catcher/first basement Jason Phillips to the Los Angeles Dodgers for pitcher Kazuhisa Ishii Ishii was 3-9. Phillips was garbage too, but Ishii probably did more to harm the Mets in '05 than help. Bad move.
* June 7, 2005: Selected Mike Pelfrey with the 9th overall pick in the amateur free agent draft Cameron Maybin, Jay Bruce, Jacoby Ellsbury taken later in the 1st...but as of right now, there were no pitchers who've fared better taken after Pelfrey in the 1st that year, so I'll say it was a solid pick.
* November 18, 2005: Traded outfielder Mike Cameron to the San Diego Padres for outfielder Xavier Nady Good
* November 24, 2005: Traded first baseman Mike Jacobs and pitchers Yusmeiro Petit and Grant Psomas to the Florida Marlins for Carlos Delgado and cash. They essentially got one very good year out of Delgado in '06, and an albatross the last two years, in exchange for Jacobs' future endeavors. That said, the Mets probably wouldn't have gotten as far as they did in '06 without Delgado, but this is hurting them now.
* November 29, 2005: Signed free agent pitcher Billy Wagner to a four year, $43 million deal, plus an $8 clup option Good.
* December 5: 2005: Traded minor leaguers Gaby Hernandez and Dante Brinkley to the Florida Marlins for catcher Paul Lo Duca Good.
* December 22, 2005: Signed free agent outfielder Endy Chavez Good.
* December 27, 2005: Signed free agent pitcher Chad Bradford to a one year, $1.4 million contract Bad.
* January 4, 2006: Traded pitchers Jae Weong Seo and Tim Hamulack to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll Good.
* January 22, 2006: Traded pitcher Kris Benson to the Baltimore Orioles for pitchers Jorge Julio and John Maine Fan-fucking-tastic
* May 24, 2006: Traded pitcher Jorge Julio to the Arizona Diamondbacks for pitcher Orlando Hernandez Good.
* July 19, 2006: Traded infielder Jeff Keppinger to the Kansas City Royals for infielder Ruben Gotay Bad.
* July 31, 2006: Traded outfielder for Xavier Nady to the Pittsburgh Pirates for pitchers Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez I would rather have Nady than Oliver Perez right now...and the Mets actually probably could use Nady more at this point. Bad.
* August 20, 2006: Received pitcher Guillermo Mota from the Cleveland Indians for future considerations Meh.
* August 22, 2006: Traded Evan MacLane to the Arizona Diamondbacks for outfielder Shawn Green and cash. Helped in '06...useles afterwards
* November 15, 2006: Traded pitchers Heath Bell and Royce Ring to the San Diego Padres in exchange for Jon Adkins and Ben Johnson Very bad
* November 20, 2006: Traded pitchers Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom to the Florida Marlins for Adam Bostick and Jason Vargas Bad
* November 21, 2006: Signed free agent outfielder Moises Alou Bad
* December 6, 2006: Traded pitcher Brian Bannister to the Kansas City Royals for pitcher Ambiorix Burgos Bad
* December 7, 2006: Re-signed pitcher Guillermo Mota to a two year, $5 million deal. Horrible
* January 16, 2007: Signed free agent pitcher Scott Schoeneweis three year, $10.8 million contract God-awful
* July 30, 2007: Traded minor leaguers Drew Butera and Dustin Martin to the Minnesota Twins for Luis Castillo Not bad in what he gave up, but bad for going after Castillo...and worse for signing him
* November 20, 2007: Traded pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Milwaukee Brewers for catcher Johnny Estrada inconsequential
* November 30, 2007: Traded outfielder Lastings Milledge to the Washington Nationals for outfielder Ryan Church and catcher Brian Schneider Probably bad long term
* January 29, 2008: Traded outfielder Carlos Gomez, pitchers Philip Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra to the Minnesota Twins for pitcher Johan Santana. Good


Up until the Santana move, he hadn't been making particularly great moves in a while.

Looking at it, it doesn't look as bad as people make it sound, but his problem is more in terms of the moves he doesn't make, or signing people too long.

Omar must not have drafted particularly well since the Mets have nothing in their system other than Fernando Martinez right now, and he's stripped it bare dealing, for better or worse, guys like Jacobs, Milledge, Gomez, Bannister, Bell, Lindstrom, Ring, Keppinger, Nady, and so forth.

I'd say the biggest knock on Minaya's tenure is he has no depth left in the system and has done nothing to replenish it. And he's done a poor job compensating for that. He did nothing to acquire some bench depth on the market this year.

That plus an aging team getting hurt is why the Mets are where they are at the moment.

[PD]

the Wilpons seem to be good owners who are willing to spend. But Omar has been terrible.

Fred maybe, but Jeffie seems worse than Hank Steinbrenner.

Leave willie and staff alone, and jettison Delgado.

[Towelie]

What prospects that Omar has traded really could have helped the team?

Carlos Gomez?

What prospects have we had that have been really successful at all in the majors since Omar took over?

The problem with the regular fans is that they only look at the higher levels of the system.

Before the Santana trade, the Mets were ranking in the upper middle levels of baseball.

Tons of great talent, most from IFA in the lower levels. Wilmer Flores, Ruben Tejada, Francisco Pena to name a few.

Plus this was a great draft, and considering they almost signed every pick they made quickly.

Wait till they sign Michel Iona. We should be back right where we were pre-Santana

[BeerBandit]

So glad I started Beltran for my fantasy team.

[hammersavage]

Beltran has the ability, maybe more than any player in baseball, to absolutely zone in (see 2005 NLCS) and completely carry his team for a couple weeks. Maybe he's getting in that grove.

[HBox]

YYYYOOOUU'RRREEEE FIIIIIIIIRRRRRED! (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25188803/)

[Kevin]

YYYYOOOUU'RRREEEE FIIIIIIIIRRRRRED! (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25188803/)

Oh yea, Manuel will do a much better job...

[spadanko]

It was time to go. they could have done it better. Maybe inviting him to tampa and giving hima low ball offer and forcing him to quit.... oh wait that was done already...

honestly, Manuel will be there in the interm. Players lilke him. He won in Chicago. Has some fire to him. I just hope now they can get past this and move on and play some ball

[K.C.]

It was time to go. they could have done it better. Maybe inviting him to tampa and giving hima low ball offer and forcing him to quit.... oh wait that was done already...

honestly, Manuel will be there in the interm. Players lilke him. He won in Chicago. Has some fire to him. I just hope now they can get past this and move on and play some ball


Who fires a guy on a two game winning streak? At least wait until he drops one.

And why not do this two days ago instead of waiting a day in to a West Coast swing?

[spadanko]

Who fires a guy on a two game winning streak? At least wait until he drops one.

And why not do this two days ago instead of waiting a day in to a West Coast swing?


i think they didn't want to fire him on father's day. they should have waited until after the Anaheim series. but alas, its over

[Doogie]

The firing was BS...they should have of fired a couple of bench coaches first to send a message to Willie and light a fire under his ass. What they did is wrong...especially firing him right after a win. What a piece of shit, panhandling to fucking minority pressure organization...fuck you Omar Minaya. Wheres Lee Harvey Oswalt when you need him...Fucking cunt Omar Minaya is.

[sailor]

Willie will survive until the next off day (Thursday)

Theres no way the could fire him after taking two of three at home. If he would have lost the nightcap he would have probably gotten shitcanned and not gotten on the plane to LA, but as of now, he's probably on a series by series basis.

This is a tough series for him to be headed into on the absolute hot seat facing Weaver, Lackey and Garland, but if we can win two of three, he'll probably survive until next Thursday.

My guess is that if they dont win at least 6 of the next 9, he'll be fired before the Yankees series.

Ironic really.

so much for that thought. so, how's he get home? :)

[Freitag]

I don't like the way they did this, but I can understand why. But why wait until after the game? He's won 3 of 4 after the disaster with the D-Backs and Padres. It feels like they were trying to avoid the morning news cycle with the newspapers.

Al Dukes had a pretty good parody song on Carton's show this morning.

[Bellyfullasnot]

Wasn't Willie suppose to be an All Star coach this year? What a douche move.

[Freitag]

so much for that thought. so, how's he get home? :)

Willie was making decent coin as manager, wasn't he? I'm sure that the Mets will still fly him back.

Hell, if I was there, I'd have Torre on speed-dial. But since's he's got a contract, he'll probably take the rest of the season off and choose his next spot.

That's what I would do... say F it, call the wife and kids, and have them join me in Maui.

Of course, the Yankee fans are grousing that if Willie was 3B coach, Wang would have never gotten injured.

[Freitag]

Wasn't Willie suppose to be an All Star coach this year? What a douche move.

Yes, he was. In a twist of fate, maybe he becomes a bench coach for Girardi?

[hammersavage]

I wanted him gone but Willie's a good man and deserved better. They won 3 of 4, wait til they lose again at least.

[BeerBandit]

We're missing the real story in this. Sure it's kind of unfortunate for Willie to get fired this way at this time, but remember...

Rick Peterson is Gone!

He who could "fix" Victor Zambrano. He who could "fix" Oliver Perez. He who didn't think Kazmir would be big league pitcher. He who pulls Johan Fucking Santana while he's pitching a 4 hit shutout because he's thrown too many pitches. Fuck you and fuck your numbers.

[PD]

Fred maybe, but Jeffie seems worse than Hank Steinbrenner.

Leave willie and staff alone, and jettison Delgado.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/frostyli/emoticon/behead.gif

I think it's not willie's fault, but I could understand letting willie go.

This makes Mets look like idiots, unless there is some revelation later as to why they did it so awfully.

edit:
BeerBandit, Jacket never said that the Mets should trade Kazmir for Zambrano or that he could fix Ollie.
a) It was Jeff Wilpon who wanted to trade Kazmir for Zambrano in order to make the playoffs that year; he asked Peterson if he could "fix" Zambrano, who said yes. It was Jeff's idea, not Peterson.
b) he said he could help Ollie after they acquired him - it was Omar who did it. What do you want the guy to say? I can't do it????

If you want a reason to get rid of Peterson, do it because he's obsessive with pitch counts.

[hammersavage]

The phrase 'New York Mets Organization' is now an oxymoron.

Like a monkey fuckin a football.

[K.C.]

Rick Peterson is Gone!


Somebody dig up Vern Ruhle's corpse...the Mets need a pitching coach.


So, is Manuel going to get the reigns the rest of the season or are they going to hire in the next couple weeks?

I don't really know who's out there...Wally Backman, Buck Showalter, Larry Bowa, Terry Pendleton, Jimy Williams...not a great list, but not terrible.

[hammersavage]

Hire Backman or Bowa, Mazzone pitching coach, and lets steer this runaway train towards a cliff and see what happens

[Freitag]

Hire Backman or Bowa, Mazzone pitching coach, and lets steer this runaway train towards a cliff and see what happens

Isn't Backman in the indies right now? Put him in the minor system first before giving him the bigboy seat.

[K.C.]

Hire Backman or Bowa, Mazzone pitching coach, and lets steer this runaway train towards a cliff and see what happens

That's the spirt!

Even the years the Phillies sucked when he was the manager, Bowa was great because he's a complete lunatic. You'd see him pacing the dugout and throwing shit, and trying to restrain himself from running out on the field and pulling Rollins off by his ear.

[PD]

I'd love Backman, but I can't imagine this organization going for someone "controversial".
It would not surprise me if your next manager is Ken Oberkfell, the AAA manager just promoted to the Mets coaching staff.

I am so annoyed.

In all the years as a Met fan, the only thing I could say in my team's behalf is "at least they are a classy organization who doesn't pull the crap that Steinbrenner does". I can no longer say that.

This is the most embarrassed I have been about the management of this team since the days of M. Donald Grant.

(ok, baseball wise Kazmir trade and last year's collapse were worse)




yeah, that is awful sentence structure, but im tongue tied now.

[foodcourtdruide]

I can't stand Bowa and sincerely hope they don't hire him. I wouldn't mind Backman. He had that crazy mess with the Diamondbacks a few years back.

[Freitag]

I can't stand Bowa and sincerely hope they don't hire him. I wouldn't mind Backman. He had that crazy mess with the Diamondbacks a few years back.

Backman got a raw deal from the Diamondbacks. I don't understand how what happened made him persona non grata in MLB though. He went from being a hot managing prospect to an untouchable in a week, simply because he made a few bad deals and had a dui... right, that was it, wasn't it?

EDIT: I checked wikipedia. He had one DUI five years before the D-Backs hired him, and he had declared bankruptcy. I can understand not coming clean about the DUI since it was five years past, but sports teams don't like to see people in major financial situations.

(even though, by becoming a manager, most of his financial situation would have been rectified in a year)

[PD]

Backman got a raw deal from the Diamondbacks. I don't understand how what happened made him persona non grata in MLB though. He went from being a hot managing prospect to an untouchable in a week, simply because he made a few bad deals and had a dui... right, that was it, wasn't it?

EDIT: I checked wikipedia. He had one DUI five years before the D-Backs hired him, and he had declared bankruptcy. I can understand not coming clean about the DUI since it was five years past, but sports teams don't like to see people in major financial situations.

(even though, by becoming a manager, most of his financial situation would have been rectified in a year)

This article in Newday was a good article on Backman and his recent history:
Ex-Met Backman has had one wild ride of late (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spken155728085jun15,0,6355879.column)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/george_jetson.jpg


You're Firrrrrrrrrrrrreddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doogie]

It just wasnt right the way they did this to Willie. Rick Peterson should have of went first, then if Willie couldnt stop the hemmoragging fire him. But lets face it, they have made a lot of bad deals the last few years and have depleted their minor league system. The Kazimir trade makes me sick everytime I see the Rays on the upswing and the Mets on the way down. The only good deals in the last few years have been for John Maine and Ollie (Yes I know Ollie has problems right now). This team needs to turn it back around and dump all the old men they have. Bring in a few established vets and replenish the youth.

[PD]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:21ytOQXmX5EtEM:http://www.stmatthewsnj.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/picture-2.png

I need to find a larger copy of this.

[K.C.]

I've read probably 10 articles on this over the last few minutes.

ALL of them have one thing in common:

"Cowards"

Universally, every major local New York, and national sports publication is calling the Mets organization a bunch of cowards for how the handled this.

How in the hell do you screw up firing a guy that most people in the fan base wanted gone, and authored the biggest collapse in MLB history just the season before?

It's almost unreal.

[TheGameHHH]

I've read probably 10 articles on this over the last few minutes.

ALL of them have one thing in common:

"Cowards"

Universally, every major local New York, and national sports publication is calling the Mets organization a bunch of cowards for how the handled this.

How in the hell do you screw up firing a guy that most people in the fan base wanted gone, and authored the biggest collapse in MLB history just the season before?

It's almost unreal.

And I absolutely agree with all of them, the Mets are a bunch of cowards......and this goes beyond me being a Yankees fan and wanting to bust their balls, this was a sleazy way to do business.

[TheMojoPin]

Uber-classy, Mets.

[BeerBandit]

I just realized that I have to change my avatar. My little face there is a mathematical representation of the Willie Randolph's Managerial style. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/science/01prof.html)
I don't think they've got a Jerry Manuel one, yet.

[foodcourtdruide]

The Lou Vaccaro article was one of the most retarded things I've ever read. Full of hyperbole and false outrage. What is the fucking difference what time they fired him? I think it's hilarious that the article mentions that they went 3,000 miles like they fucking took a horse and carraige to California. Seriously, completely retarded.

[Kevin]

It was time to go. they could have done it better. Maybe inviting him to tampa and giving hima low ball offer and forcing him to quit.... oh wait that was done already...

honestly, Manuel will be there in the interm. Players lilke him. He won in Chicago. Has some fire to him. I just hope now they can get past this and move on and play some ball

Seriously, you are going to take a shot at the Yankees when your team just made one of the most COWARDLY and unclassy moves ever? Yanks did not handle the Torre thing great, but they did it 50 times better than your team.

And Torre for all his honer went on Letterman and basically campaigned for the Dodger job when Little was not fired yet. Letterman asked him is it happening? He goes yea its close. LITTLE STILL WAS THERE, twisting in the wind. Real classy.

Williy from all i hear is a good and classy man, and deserved to be treated as such. Pathetic job.

[spadanko]

I do not say this lightly: The Mets' firings of Randolph, pitching coach Rick Peterson and first base coach Tom Nieto will go down as one of the most disgraceful episodes in sports history.
--- Ken Rosenthal

Can he really be serious with this? some of these reporters are getting a little out of hand. SOrry you don't get the big story for the back pages.

[spadanko]

Seriously, you are going to take a shot at the Yankees when your team just made one of the most COWARDLY and unclassy moves ever? Yanks did not handle the Torre thing great, but they did it 50 times better than your team.

And Torre for all his honer went on Letterman and basically campaigned for the Dodger job when Little was not fired yet. Letterman asked him is it happening? He goes yea its close. LITTLE STILL WAS THERE, twisting in the wind. Real classy.

Williy from all i hear is a good and classy man, and deserved to be treated as such. Pathetic job.


only took a shot at the Yanks because all Yankee fans have been doing since this happened is say how classy they are and would never do this... so that was my only thing for saying that. Willie is a great guy and of course they should have done it better, but the media is going a little nuts basically comparing it to the black sox scandel

[Kevin]

only took a shot at the Yanks because all Yankee fans have been doing since this happened is say how classy they are and would never do this... so that was my only thing for saying that. Willie is a great guy and of course they should have done it better, but the media is going a little nuts basically comparing it to the black sox scandel

Where have Yankee fans said anything but the truth? We only have said this is an awful move? What we can't comment on this? Met and other fans always comment on our shit in the Yankee thread.

And its not going nuts. This was handled as bad as it could be handled.

[spadanko]

Where have Yankee fans said anything but the truth? We only have said this is an awful move? What we can't comment on this? Met and other fans always comment on our shit in the Yankee thread.

And its not going nuts. This was handled as bad as it could be handled.


not talking about on here. radio and what not.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

every night is Salsa Night for Los Mets


Mandatory Salsa lessons for Wright and Scnedider

[Kevin]

not talking about on here. radio and what not.

Thats what people do, comment. I am sure many Met fans call when the Yankees fuck up.

Leave the Yankees out of this. It has nothing to do with them.

[foodcourtdruide]

Where have Yankee fans said anything but the truth? We only have said this is an awful move? What we can't comment on this? Met and other fans always comment on our shit in the Yankee thread.

And its not going nuts. This was handled as bad as it could be handled.

Please elaborate on how this was handled as bad as it could be handled. Because he took a 6 hour flight? My God, who gives a shit.

[Kevin]

Please elaborate on how this was handled as bad as it could be handled. Because he took a 6 hour flight? My God, who gives a shit.

They left the man twisting in the wind for WEEKS. Willy had to ask people, whats going on? Am i safe? am i out? It was handled AWFULLY. Just let the guy know.

You have Omar making comment like, he is our manager for today. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT?

And Yes the 6 hour flight is not good. Fire the man Sunday. And do not fire the Guy after 2 wins in a row.

And this is not a I hate the Mets thing. I would be all over the Yankees if they did this.

[K.C.]

every night is Salsa Night for Los Mets


Mandatory Salsa lessons for Wright and Scnedider


Word has it Omar is rafting into Cuba to sign Victor Mesa from their Villa Clara club.

If that fails....then its Tito Santana.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriba!

[foodcourtdruide]

They left the man twisting in the wind for WEEKS. Willy had to ask people, whats going on? Am i safe? am i out? It was handled AWFULLY. Just let the guy know.

You have Omar making comment like, he is our manager for today. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT?

And Yes the 6 hour flight is not good. Fire the man Sunday. And do not fire the Guy after 2 wins in a row.

And this is not a I hate the Mets thing. I would be all over the Yankees if they did this.

They gave him a chance to correct what happened last year, and he was failing. There was speculation he was going to be fired and he was evenutally fired. When things like that happen it rarely goes well.

Minaya was asked about Randolph's future, and what should he have said, knowing it was uncertain? He didn't commit which was BEING HONEST. And what is the big fucking deal that he had to take a 6 hour flight? Please.

[Kevin]

They gave him a chance to correct what happened last year, and he was failing. There was speculation he was going to be fired and he was evenutally fired. When things like that happen it rarely goes well.

Minaya was asked about Randolph's future, and what should he have said, knowing it was uncertain? He didn't commit which was BEING HONEST. And what is the big fucking deal that he had to take a 6 hour flight? Please.

I can't comment any more on this, You are delusional and the biggest homer ever, if you are defending this.

[PD]

Brian Schneider just rescheduled his WFAN interview till tomorrow- he's way too uncomfortable talking about this right now.

[Kevin]

Brian Schneider just rescheduled his WFAN interview till tomorrow- he's way too uncomfortable talking about this right now.

Yea, just heard that. I can understand why he did it. You cant really fault him.

[PD]

I can't comment any more on this, You are delusional and the biggest homer ever, if you are defending this.

I am a huge met fan and I can't defend HOW they did this.

by the way, Jerry Manual is NOT hispanic befoer anyone goes there.

[K.C.]

Minaya was asked about Randolph's future, and what should he have said, knowing it was uncertain? He didn't commit which was BEING HONEST. And what is the big fucking deal that he had to take a 6 hour flight? Please.

It was gutless.

Omar knew he was firing Willie when they were still in New York...he did it because on the road, he'd only have the beat writers to answer to during a press conference, and then he pulled that weak shit where he tried to wait until 3 AM to send out the release, hoping it would miss the newspaper deadline and hoped the local writers would have to wait 24 hours (and after Omar spoke), to write about (which he miscalculated).

At least be man enough to stand by your decision if you make...but this maneuvering to get the least possible media reaction was just sleazy.


And at the end of the day, he created another situation that will distract that team for at least the rest of this week (and longer, if Manuel stumbles out of the gate).


Not to mention the human aspect of dangling Willie for so long, and then making him ship out for your own personal PR benefit, when you know that no matter what he does, you're firing him.

Low class on all levels.

[spadanko]

Yea, just heard that. I can understand why he did it. You cant really fault him.


really can't fault him at all... very awkward situation right now

[PD]

among the things in Buster Olney's blog:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3448037&name=olney_buster&univLogin02=stateChanged
That wasn't true, of course; Randolph remained just one losing streak away from getting dumped, and the losing streak came last week. Along the way, the Mets' front-office whisperers generated the same kind of leaks that came before Steve Phillips was fired, before Art Howe was fired, before Jim Duquette was shoved aside -- the same kind of leaks that came after the Scott Kazmir trade went bad. Not since the days of the vintage Steinbrenner Yankees has any team leaked the way the Mets leak. By Friday night, the papers reported that Randolph was out, and by Saturday night, the papers reported that Peterson and Nieto were going to be fired.

[K.C.]

among the things in Buster Olney's blog:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3448037&name=olney_buster&univLogin02=stateChanged

The most interesting thing about Olney's article is him saying that someone(s) in the front office leaked Randolph's confidential evaluations of his players, to the players, which turned the clubhouse against him.

I had not heard that before.

[Kevin]

I am a huge met fan and I can't defend HOW they did this.

by the way, Jerry Manual is NOT hispanic befoer anyone goes there.

Yea, i think most people agree that though it was not all his fault. Since you can't fire the players, and the players you could trade, you can't and the players you wanna trade, you can't, unfortunately means you gotta fire the manager. But like you said, the way that happened was awful.

I am sure if the Mets could have made a shake up like a Piazza move, they woulda preferred that, but it was not possible right now.

And winning this year for the Mets is important. Not the whole thing,(which of course you want) but being competitive. With both NY teams opening up new parks. It will be very important getting sponsors company's to invest on the team and the park. And unlike the Yanks, the Mets do not have the brand name where you can do that no matter what your team is doing. So once again, i understand the firing.

[Freitag]

This article in Newday was a good article on Backman and his recent history:
Ex-Met Backman has had one wild ride of late (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spken155728085jun15,0,6355879.column)

He threw bats and called out a broadcaster, and stood up for his players on drug testing failures. What's the difference between him and Pinella, then?

[foodcourtdruide]

I can't comment any more on this, You are delusional and the biggest homer ever, if you are defending this.

Wow, I wish I could just call people a homer when they disagree with me. I'm the biggest homer ever because I don't feel sorry for Willie Randolph? To be honest, I think the Mets are making a huge mistake by keeping Minaya, how's that for a homer statement?

I think you're delusional because you somehow think this situation could have been handled in some graceful harmless way. Willie Randolph was in what seemed to be a probationary period where his team didn't perform and he eventually got fired. That happens. Also, if anyone drew attention to the situation it was him with the retarded comments he made about race.

It's not like they fired him out of the blue. He managed a team during one of the most epic collapses in history and they've been playing sub-mediocare this year.

But hey, what do I know I'm a homer because I disagree with you. LETS GO METS!!!

[Kevin]

Wow, I wish I could just call people a homer when they disagree with me. I'm the biggest homer ever because I don't feel sorry for Willie Randolph? To be honest, I think the Mets are making a huge mistake by keeping Minaya, how's that for a homer statement?

I think you're delusional because you somehow think this situation could have been handled in some graceful harmless way. Willie Randolph was in what seemed to be a probationary period where his team didn't perform and he eventually got fired. That happens. Also, if anyone drew attention to the situation it was him with the retarded comments he made about race.

It's not like they fired him out of the blue. He managed a team during one of the most epic collapses in history and they've been playing sub-mediocare this year.

But hey, what do I know I'm a homer because I disagree with you. LETS GO METS!!!

You are a homer because you can't defend this. period, the end. NO ONE IS.

[foodcourtdruide]

It was gutless.

Omar knew he was firing Willie when they were still in New York...he did it because on the road, he'd only have the beat writers to answer to during a press conference, and then he pulled that weak shit where he tried to wait until 3 AM to send out the release, hoping it would miss the newspaper deadline and hoped the local writers would have to wait 24 hours (and after Omar spoke), to write about (which he miscalculated).

At least be man enough to stand by your decision if you make...but this maneuvering to get the least possible media reaction was just sleazy.


And at the end of the day, he created another situation that will distract that team for at least the rest of this week (and longer, if Manuel stumbles out of the gate).


Not to mention the human aspect of dangling Willie for so long, and then making him ship out for your own personal PR benefit, when you know that no matter what he does, you're firing him.

Low class on all levels.

How do you know what Minaya knew and the reason he waited? I don't buy the 3AM theory to avoid news headlines because if that was the case they would have waited until Friday night and not done it in the middle of the week when more people consume news.

Either way this was going to be a huge news story.

EDIT: Sorry for the edit, but maybe they thought firing Randolph during a road trip would be easier on the team? I don't know. I just don't by this nefarious thing you guys are pushing, it sounds a bit paranoid.

[foodcourtdruide]

You are a homer because you can't defend this. period, the end. NO ONE IS.

I just defended it and your response is just that I'm a homer and you feel sorry for Willie Randolph because he took 12 hours of unnecessary flights and you wanted Minaya to announce that Randolph was going to be fired before he was fired.

[PD]

He threw bats and called out a broadcaster, and stood up for his players on drug testing failures. What's the difference between him and Pinella, then?

I think he deserves a shot. I also think that the politically correct wilpons wont give him one.

If nothing else, the promotion of Oberkfell opens a minor league slot which he can easily be invited to.

[spadanko]

The most interesting thing about Olney's article is him saying that someone(s) in the front office leaked Randolph's confidential evaluations of his players, to the players, which turned the clubhouse against him.

I had not heard that before.

Tony Bernezard... he is a fucking weasel

[Freitag]

I think he deserves a shot. I also think that the politically correct wilpons wont give him one.

If nothing else, the promotion of Oberkfell opens a minor league slot which he can easily be invited to.

Exactly what I was thinking. Let him grow up and mature a little more in a league that is bigger than where he is coaching now.

BTW, where's Tim Tueffel? I see he's not coaching the Cyclones anymore - Edgar Alfonzo (!!!!) is.

[PD]

from Metsblog:
Rick Peterson then talked to reporters and, in standard fashion, used a ‘Mets are a House’ metaphor, equating himself to a hardwood floor that is being ripped out of a house in need of work, while Dan Warthen, his replacement, will be the Tuscan Tile of this new home.

:wacko:

Tony Bernazard... he is a fucking weasel

listening now to M&MD- seems even more so.
Bernazard was having discussions with Manuel while Willie was throwing batting practice yesterday

[Friday]

Seriously, you are going to take a shot at the Yankees when your team just made one of the most COWARDLY and unclassy moves ever? Yanks did not handle the Torre thing great, but they did it 50 times better than your team.

And Torre for all his honer went on Letterman and basically campaigned for the Dodger job when Little was not fired yet. Letterman asked him is it happening? He goes yea its close. LITTLE STILL WAS THERE, twisting in the wind. Real classy.

Williy from all i hear is a good and classy man, and deserved to be treated as such. Pathetic job.

I have to agree with you.
This crap has been handled with all the grace and class of a 42nd street hooker in 1984.

UGH

[hexy68]

fired in the middle of the night...stay classy there Mets!

[PD]

/me hates that he has to take abuse now from Yankee and Phillies fans and can't say anything

:glurps:

[TheGameHHH]

lest we forget, Omar assembled this team. If they keep playing .500 ball, he's out next.

[foodcourtdruide]

lest we forget, Omar assembled this team. If they keep playing .500 ball, he's out next.

This is true. Minaya has made some questionable moves.

I really think the manager gets to much credit for winning and to much blame for losing, and in the long run the mid-season distraction of a manager change hurts a team more-often than it helps them, but whatever. I guess they can't fire the players and organizations have to cover their asses and appease the fans somehow.

[Towelie]

The horror, Willie has to take another first class flight back to New York, a few days earlier then he expected.

Some of these reporters are insane.

Its done. Who gives a fuck how they did it, it was time.

[Towelie]

I'm liking everything Jerry has been saying, especially about the player/coach relationship as opposed to the player/manager relationship

Granted it means shit, but hey, its a good start.

And thank fucking god Sandy is the bench coach.

Thank god he's off the bases.

[Kevin]

I'm liking everything Jerry has been saying, especially about the player/coach relationship as opposed to the player/manager relationship

Granted it means shit, but hey, its a good start.

And thank fucking god Sandy is the bench coach.

Thank god he's off the bases.

You sure you want him advising your manager on moves?

You also gotta love the. Whats up brother, to start.

[cougarjake13]

so the manuel era begins

[Towelie]

You sure you want him advising your manager on moves?

You also gotta love the. Whats up brother, to start.

I think Jerry's been around the block enough that he won't be asking for too much help.

Ole windmill Sandy certainly will help not being on the bases.

[Towelie]

"Gangsta's on the field, ladies on the bus"

Hilarious

[Kevin]

Manual did a good job.

Omar.. Not so much..

[Kevin]

Omar minaya says Omar Minaya made the decision.

[cougarjake13]

Omar minaya says Omar Minaya made the decision.

he must have hung around ricky henderson too much

[Towelie]

Manual did a good job.

Omar.. Not so much..

Was there anything Omar could have said that would have qualified as a "good job"

He went up there, told what I will assume was as close to the truth, so I mean love it or hate it, he did take his fair share of the blame.

Its all sunshine and rainbows for Jerry now, we'll see what it happens after tonights game.

If he loses, its going to go back to doom and gloom

[Kevin]

Was there anything Omar could have said that would have qualified as a "good job"

He went up there, told what I will assume was as close to the truth, so I mean love it or hate it, he did take his fair share of the blame.

Its all sunshine and rainbows for Jerry now, we'll see what it happens after tonights game.

If he loses, its going to go back to doom and gloom

I just think he not very well spoken. I am sure he is a smart guy but, it just does not translate well when he says it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was actually keeping a running count of how many times Omar said "OK".

[Towelie]

I just think he not very well spoken. I am sure he is a smart guy but, it just does not translate well when he says it.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg

:bye:

[Kevin]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg

:bye:

He sounds stupid and is stupid. You better hope thats not Omar..

[Tenbatsuzen]

He sounds stupid and is stupid. You better hope thats not Omar..

Russo is just destroying omar right now. Nice.

"YOU GET NO CREDIT! YOU UNDERSTAND ME? I GIVE YOU *NO* CREDIT!"

[Kevin]

Russo is just destroying omar right now. Nice.

"YOU GET NO CREDIT! YOU UNDERSTAND ME? I GIVE YOU *NO* CREDIT!"

Yea, just KILLING him.

[Kevin]

I was actually keeping a running count of how many times Omar said "OK".

I have counted like 40

[Towelie]

Russo knows how to get people to listen, even if everything out of his mouth is stupid.

This was our opening day lineup in 2004:

Matsui SS
Gutierrez 2B
Floyd LF
Piazza C
Cameron CF
Phillips 1B
Garcia RF
Wigginton 3B
Glavine P

To give Omar no credit, a guy who built a division winner and a team that should have won the World Series in 2006, a team that at worst should have won the NL in 2007 and a team that should have been at the top of the division this year is stupid.

No one could have predicted the way things have gone in the last 12 months.

Again, this is where the players are at fault. Omar built good teams, the players have to be at fault for SOMETHING.

[Tenbatsuzen]

UPDATE, 5:15 p.m.: Don’t know if you’re watching Omar Minaya’s press conference. But it’s a total disgrace. He’s actually blaming the media, saying the atmosphere around the team forced him to fire the manager.

How can you be an executive in New York and think that way? Ask Ernie Accordi and Jerry Reese, who stuck with Tom Coughlin and won the Super Bowl.

Minaya goes next. It’s just a matter of when. Over/under is the All-Star break.



Without sounding like BDC - THIS. Omar sounded lost and not telling the entire truth.

[Towelie]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4861/roflbote3bxmm2.jpg

[Kevin]

Without sounding like BDC - THIS. Omar sounded lost and not telling the entire truth.

OK?

[Towelie]

Without sounding like BDC - THIS. Omar sounded lost and not telling the entire truth.

Peter Abraham is a dope.

Omar called out the media and they don't like it, so no way they will give him any credit.

Omar's job is safe for the rest of the season. Guaranteed.

Tom Coughlin is rare case where sticking with a guy works, not the standard.

Honestly, they gave Willie more then enough time to turn the ship around.

Since June 1st of 2007 the team has been 88-90. If 178 games isn't enough time for him to figure this shit out, I don't know what is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK?

Si.

[spadanko]

Now the media will balst OImar for him blaming them... whatever..

anywho, I liked what Manuel had to say. I think he'll do fine. I am glad the cloud is lifted off the team. Maybe these fools will wake up

Did you hear russon ask Omar "You picked willie's staff, how come he couldn't pick yours?!"

Omar should have told him "I'm the boss bitch!!"

[Towelie]

I loved when Omar told Bill Madden that 11 PM isn't the middle of the night.

That made me laugh

[Towelie]

And its hilarious to see the old Yankee sympathizers coming out of the woodworks to defend Willie

Buster Olney's article on ESPN might be one of the worst pieces of sports journalism written in the last 10 years.

[Kevin]

And its hilarious to see the old Yankee sympathizers coming out of the woodworks to defend Willie

Buster Olney's article on ESPN might be one of the worst pieces of sports journalism written in the last 10 years.

Please. ESPN Hates the Yankees.

People defend Willie because he seems to be a nice and respectful person.

And Olney grew up an O's fan, so i really doubt he likes the Yankees very much.

Edit: He is from Vermont. That is usually Redsox country

[Towelie]

Please. ESPN Hates the Yankees.

People defend Willie because he seems to be a nice and respectful person.

And Olney grew up an O's fan, so i really doubt he likes the Yankees very much.

Thats ridiculous. Olney was a Yankees beat writer for the Times and wrote a book on their dynasty.

Not only does he fucking hate the Mets, he laps Yankee scrotum at every chance he gets.

[Kevin]

Thats ridiculous. Olney was a Yankees beat writer for the Times and wrote a book on their dynasty.

Not only does he fucking hate the Mets, he laps Yankee scrotum at every chance he gets.

Sweeny Merty is a Yankee beat writer and Hates them. He is a Philly fan. So that does not mean much.

[Towelie]

And to clarify, Olney is a lifelong Dodgers fan.

[spadanko]

Sweeny Merty is a Yankee beat writer and Hates them. He is a Philly fan. So that does not mean much.


yeah like Eddie C is a Sox fan... you can hear in his voice how he hates the mets sometimes

[Kevin]

And to clarify, Olney is a lifelong Dodgers fan.

Yea, just saw that..

[Kevin]

yeah like Eddie C is a Sox fan... you can hear in his voice how he hates the mets sometimes

Yea, and despises the Yankees.

[Towelie]

Olney is just plain stupid.

I don't remember the exact specifics but he was pushing a Reyes/Pelfrey/Gomez for Santana deal all offseason.

Dude is just a dope.

[Kevin]

Olney is just plain stupid.

I don't remember the exact specifics but he was pushing a Reyes/Pelfrey/Gomez for Santana deal all offseason.

Dude is just a dope.

Well, in his defense.

He thought thats what it would take. And that is probably the case if the Sox and Yankees stayed in the hunt.

You only got him pretty cheap because you were the last one standing.

[Towelie]

The problem with the media is that they are pushing for a story when in reality there is no story.

Every single writer knew that Willie was done, and then they found out Peterson and Nieto were done too.

Its not as if this is some major shock, so what do they do? They try to find the story within the story.

So they fired the guy on Monday night, better then being fired on fathers day.

They are just pissed that the Mets didn't leak the story, hold a big presser and let them have the glory of reporting the story. The Mets made the move and had a press release.

Like Omar said, he's not going to fire the guy in the middle of the game so that some clubhouse attendant can run down there and tell Willie he was fired.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these guys are alienating themselves from the team. The less media/reporters in the clubhouse, on the buses and on the planes the better.

[Towelie]

Well, in his defense.

He thought thats what it would take. And that is probably the case if the Sox and Yankees stayed in the hunt.

You only got him pretty cheap because you were the last one standing.

Its not that. Its just that someone who calls themselves a competent reporter would ever think that the Mets would trade their all star shortstop, their #1 pitching prospect and their #2 OF prospect for anyone.

We only got him because he only wanted to play for three teams. NY, NY and BOS.

I'm sure Minnesota would have gladly taken what Seattle gave up for Bedard or what Arizona gave up for Haren over our package. Santana didn't want to go and that was his choice, like it or not.

[Kevin]

Its not that. Its just that someone who calls themselves a competent reporter would ever think that the Mets would trade their all star shortstop, their #1 pitching prospect and their #2 OF prospect for anyone.

We only got him because he only wanted to play for three teams. NY, NY and BOS.

I'm sure Minnesota would have gladly taken what Seattle gave up for Bedard or what Arizona gave up for Haren over our package. Santana didn't want to go and that was his choice, like it or not.

If you wanted Johan, thats what it would have taken. The price would have been drastically upped it Lester elsbury, bucholtz, Hughes Kennedy etc was in the mix. And you did not have nearly enough in the minors to beat that. The only way you could have is Reyes.

And Pelfry slipped a ton in scouts eyes during the offseason. He was not as valuable as you think.

[Towelie]

I'm not saying we didn't luck out with the stupidity of the Yankees (and the Sox who I never thought were in it, they were just there to drive up the Yankees price)

My point was Olney is a moron.

[spadanko]

The media is also pissed, as I stated earlier, that they didn't get their big pretty picture of an upset Randolph to put on their back pages. they are mad the mets took their scoop away

[Towelie]

The media is also pissed, as I stated earlier, that they didn't get their big pretty picture of an upset Randolph to put on their back pages. they are mad the mets took their scoop away

Exactly. The Mets pushed out a presser before anyone could break the story. They beat the media and now they are pissed.

Hilarious really.

Bill Madden crying about Omar doing it in the middle of the night was hilarious. Maybe middle of the night on the east coast, but not where Willie was.

Fake outrage at its finest, making Willie a sympathetic figure when they have been killing him since September.

Bunch of hypocritical assholes.

I guess Omar should time all his decisions by the writers deadlines. Oh well, its 3 AM in NY, can't fire Willie for another 6 hours.

[Towelie]

Well thats a fantastic start to the Jerry era.

:glurps:

[PD]

Well thats a fantastic start to the Jerry era.

:glurps:

yeah; Delgado error, picking off a runner but then not covering 2nd.

3 runs in 1st.

ech.

[Towelie]

yeah; Delgado error, picking off a runner but then not covering 2nd.

3 runs in 1st.

ech.

I was talking more about pulling and pissing off your star shortstop on the first AB of the JM Era when he thinks he should stay in the game.

[PD]

I was talking more about pulling and pissing off your star shortstop on the first AB of the JM Era when he thinks he should stay in the game.

I tuned in late; I guess I missed the fun (which explains Easly out there)

[Towelie]

I tuned in late; I guess I missed the fun (which explains Easly out there)

Reyes singled, was limping when he got to first

Jerry and the trainer came out, Reyes ran a bit and argued to come back in the game

Jerry I guess said no and Reyes threw his helmet on the field and stormed to the clubhouse

Jerry followed him up to the clubhouse between innings.

Sigh. Its never fucking easy.

Although I think Jose is back on the bench now.

[Towelie]

Oh, and Easley as you probably saw missed a ball Reyes would have gotten to

And now they let up 3 runs.

Fantastic.

[Kevin]

Sounds like a great start to the Manual era...

[Towelie]

Sounds like a great start to the Manual era...

I'm sure that move will be analyzed up the ass.

HES LOSING THE PLAYERS ALREADY@#*&@#%@#%@&#%2

Blech.

[Kevin]

I'm sure that move will be analyzed up the ass.

HES LOSING THE PLAYERS ALREADY@#*&@#%@#%@&#%2

Blech.

Jerry watch starts now.

Omar will give him he heads up, OK, if any decision looms, OK.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jerry watch starts now.

Omar will give him he heads up, OK, if any decision looms, OK.

IT'S HIS DECISION! HE MADE THE DECISION EVEN THOUGH THE METS HAVE WON THREE OF FOUR!

Christ, there was just such fakeness on the air during that presser.

[Towelie]

Jerry and Omar will be here all year long.

Thats a guarantee.

[Friday]

I'm sure that move will be analyzed up the ass.

HES LOSING THE PLAYERS ALREADY@#*&@#%@#%@&#%2

Blech.

It's been a stressful day. :glurps:

IT'S HIS DECISION! HE MADE THE DECISION EVEN THOUGH THE METS HAVE WON THREE OF FOUR!

Christ, there was just such fakeness on the air during that presser.

Omar sounded, at times, like a complete idiot.
I was honestly embarrassed for him... even when he was on Mike and the Maddog... he was evasive and rambling. It was annoying.
Make a decision... then have the confidence to back it up without question. ugh.

[Towelie]

You really can't blame Omar when the people asking him the questions are a bunch of whiny babies who were mad at him for not giving them the story.

I swear if I read another article that screams "HE DID IT AT 330 AM!!! LET THE MAN SLEEP" I'm breaking my computer.

It was 11 pm. They did it an hour after the game.

Fucking asshole reporters.

[Friday]

You really can't blame Omar when the people asking him the questions are a bunch of whiny babies who were mad at him for not giving them the story.

I swear if I read another article that screams "HE DID IT AT 330 AM!!! LET THE MAN SLEEP" I'm breaking my computer.

It was 11 pm. They did it an hour after the game.

Fucking asshole reporters.

I Can blame Omar for not being more well spoken under pressure.
and I will.

But do I question his judgment..... i can't. I have never managed an NL baseball team before. but the events did leave the organization in less than a shining spotlight... so I HAVE to disapprove of the way it was handled. It's just basic PR.

oh well.
we move on.
and pray.
and hopefully WIN.

[Towelie]

Sure the organization looks bad, but is it going to stop any manager from coming here?

Nope.

[Kevin]

Sure the organization looks bad, but is it going to stop any manager from coming here?

Nope.

Prob not.. NY, Money.. Always works..

Everyone said how shitty the Yanks treated Torre, but you had guys lining up.

[Kevin]

And BTW.. The team in turmoil after today..

Johan has to pitch a better game then he did tonight.

He needed to be lights out. And he has not been.

Thats just my opinion..