New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Bossanova]

yeh but its gonna be tough to sell firing a mgr who's only 4 games back

In any city but NY. Its not like anyone is leading a charge for the keep Willie campaign. Most people think its time for a change. 4 games or 20. Remember Girardi won Manager of the year, and he was fired.

[Towelie]

I'm certainly not one to ever blame a manager for a bunch of vets playing like shit, but the team went 55-56 after June 1st last year and has started like shit this year

I really don't think changing the manger is going to do much of anything, but like they old saying goes, you can't fire the players but you can fire the manager.

As far as Giradi goes, he was a shitty manager and he pissed off everyone single person in the organization. His team over achieved and still only won 78 games. Ironically really, that award should have been Willie's as he took an 83 win team to 97 wins and a division title.

Would it shock me tomorrow if they fired Willie? No. Is it really going to do much? Probably not.

At this point its just boring. Everyday they find new ways to lose. Pitch great, cant hit. Hit great, cant pitch. Do a little of both ok and the pen blows up.

Meh.

[Bossanova]

I'm certainly not one to ever blame a manager for a bunch of vets playing like shit, but the team went 55-56 after June 1st last year and has started like shit this year

I really don't think changing the manger is going to do much of anything, but like they old saying goes, you can't fire the players but you can fire the manager.

As far as Giradi goes, he was a shitty manager and he pissed off everyone single person in the organization. His team over achieved and still only won 78 games. Ironically really, that award should have been Willie's as he took an 83 win team to 97 wins and a division title.

Would it shock me if tomorrow if they fired Willie? No. Is it really going to do much? Probably not.

At this point its just boring. Everyday they find new ways to lose. Pitch great, cant hit. Hit great, cant pitch. Do a little of both ok and the pen blows up.

Meh.

I agree with everythng you said. I mentioned Girardi because it was protested by many. I dont see Willie being protested as much. Will it change many things? Who knows, but something has to happen. Maybe Reyes is uninspired under Willie. Maybe this team is too Omar friendly and won't listen to Randolph. The one constant is this, this team has been dogshit for about a full year now and nothing up. It may not help, but maybe it will give this team a shot. It certainly won't hurt

[Towelie]

I agree with everythng you said. I mentioned Girardi because it was protested by many. I dont see Willie being protested as much. Will it change many things? Who knows, but something has to happen. Maybe Reyes is uninspired under Willie. Maybe this team is too Omar friendly and won't listen to Randolph. The one constant is this, this team has been dogshit for about a full year now and nothing up. It may not help, but maybe it will give this team a shot. It certainly won't hurt

There really isn't too many times I can think of that a mid-season managerial change turned the fortunes of a team around. The 2003 Marlins come to mind, but other then that I'm at a loss.

I can't figure it out really. I don't know what will help turn this ship around. Obviously its early, and miraculously we're still not even close to being out of it but at the rate we're going it could blow up pretty quick.

Maybe Pedro coming back this week will give the team a shot in the arm. At this point, I don't know what else will. Personally, I think firing Willie isn't going to help the clubhouse much, since most of the players are backing him.

[Bossanova]

since most of the players are backing him.

But how much of that is bullshit? I would like to think they like him, but they do not play hard for him. And Wright who supposedly loves him, has dogged it at times

[Kevin]

There really isn't too many times I can think of that a mid-season managerial change turned the fortunes of a team around. The 2003 Marlins come to mind, but other then that I'm at a loss.

I can't figure it out really. I don't know what will help turn this ship around. Obviously its early, and miraculously we're still not even close to being out of it but at the rate we're going it could blow up pretty quick.

Maybe Pedro coming back this week will give the team a shot in the arm. At this point, I don't know what else will. Personally, I think firing Willie isn't going to help the clubhouse much, since most of the players are backing him.

I really think the main problem here is Omar. He is just not a good GM. He made the expos farm who was the best in the game, barren. He traded for Floyd and Colon on FA years and gave up a shit load for them. He turned around and delt floyed a month later to Bos for nothing, and dealt Colon, for i think Cliff Lee Grady Sizmore and Brandon Phillips. He delt Pavano and others for Floyd. At the time Pavano was a high prospect. He is the type of guy that wants to make a splash rather than build a farm, and that is not good.

This team is filled with old players who made their money and do not really care. Its not really Williy's fault.

[Bossanova]

I couldn't agree more with Kevin. I haven't been a fan of Omar in a while. Problem is the owners love him, and he isn't going anywhere. That leaves Willie. It will almost have to be like when Bobby V got bagged and it wasnt until he was gone when the WIlpons realized it was Phillips' fault

[BoondockSaint]

I really think the main problem here is Omar. He is just not a good GM. He made the expos farm who was the best in the game, barren. He traded for Floyd and Colon on FA years and gave up a shit load for them. He turned around and delt floyed a month later to Bos for nothing, and dealt Colon, for i think Cliff Lee Grady Sizmore and Brandon Phillips. He delt Pavano and others for Floyd. At the time Pavano was a high prospect. He is the type of guy that wants to make a splash rather than build a farm, and that is not good.

This team is filled with old players who made their money and do not really care. Its not really Williy's fault.

In Omar's defense he was being told that the Expos might not exist the next year. He traded the farm to win that year, which might have been the last.

[Kevin]

In Omar's defense he was being told that the Expos might not exist the next year. He traded the farm to win that year, which might have been the last.

i heard that excuse, and I dont buy that, nothing was set in stone. Its not like they were in 1st and makin a push, they were like 5 6 games out in 2nd or 3rd.

[Towelie]

In Omar's defense he was being told that the Expos might not exist the next year. He traded the farm to win that year, which might have been the last.

Exactly.

I don't know whats going to help turn this team around. Maybe they do need a hard ass in the dugout, I don't really think so, but at this point something needs to change

[Bossanova]

Exactly.

I don't know whats going to help turn this team around. Maybe they do need a hard ass in the dugout, I don't really think so, but at this point something needs to change

Its always, lets get the complete opposite in the dugout. To me, Willie has no handle on this team. He doesn't back them up, he always throws the young guys under the bus and hasn't gotten a great effort from enyone since '06. Maybe they just need to steal Manny Acta ( which i know will not happen)

[Towelie]

i heard that excuse, and I dont buy that, nothing was set in stone. Its not like they were in 1st and makin a push, they were like 5 6 games out in 2nd or 3rd.

They were right there in the wild card chase only a game or so out, and getting a guy like Colon at the time was the right move for a futureless franchise. The team was already owned by Major League Baseball, it was obvious they weren't going to survive in Montreal.

The MLB wouldn't allow them to call up players in Sept. because of roster bonus issues, which pretty much killed them and killed the franchise's hopes of survival.

[Towelie]

Its always, lets get the complete opposite in the dugout. To me, Willie has no handle on this team. He doesn't back them up, he always throws the young guys under the bus and hasn't gotten a great effort from enyone since '06. Maybe they just need to steal Manny Acta ( which i know will not happen)

I don't know how much Nationals baseball you watch, but Manny Acta doesn't have any better handle on his clubhouse/dugout then Willie does.

[Bulldogcakes]

fuck class

i want the mets to win and i dont care whoever gets it done

Hahahahh! Now you sound like a Yankee fan.

Actually, you sound like all fans. Yankee fans are no different than everyone else. Everyone who roots for any team would sign Atilla the Hun if he could hit 55 HR's or win 20 games. With the possible exception of Cardinals fans, but they're a bunch of old ladies wearing silly red shirts.

[Bossanova]

I don't know how much Nationals baseball you watch, but Manny Acta doesn't have any better handle on his clubhouse/dugout then Willie does.

I do not. That comment was purely going on what I have heard about Omar's love and desire for him be their Manager down the road

[Towelie]

Like I said earlier in the thread, my money is on Rudy Jarmillo.

Especially if they don't have to compensate Texas.

I'd love to see Keith down there, but I just can't see it happening.

[BoondockSaint]

Too bad George Bamberger is dead.

"A guy who cheats in a friendly game of cards is a cheater. A pro who throws a spitball to support his family is a competitor." - George Bamberger

[Bulldogcakes]

In any city but NY. Its not like anyone is leading a charge for the keep Willie campaign. Most people think its time for a change. 4 games or 20. Remember Girardi won Manager of the year, and he was fired.

Yeah, but that was a very public dispute that Girardi had with the owner Jeffery Loria (who by many accounts is a complete ass). Loria was riding the home plate ump from the stands and Girardi stepped out of the dugout and told him to shut the fuck up. That will get you fired in most places.

Although Willie did have a falling out with Met ownership over his comments from last week. First, he criticized SNY, saying they were trying to portray him in a bad light. Then with the 'Racism' stuff. The Wilpons have always liked to hire middle of the road happy face types, people who will stand in front of WalMart with a smile on their face selling their business for them. Art Howe "lit up the room" when he was interviewed. Jeff Torborg was another one from that mold. The last 2 radio announcers they hired (McCarthy/Hagin) were a vast departure from the blunt style of Gary Cohen. McCarver got in trouble a bunch of times for criticizing the team too harshly. Hernandez got in trouble once or twice as well. The Wilpons have always had rabbit ears for criticism when it comes from their employees. They want happy faces, and Willie sounded pretty bitter lately.

This is probably why Kieth Hernandez won't get the job. He'll say it like it is, and thats not what they want to hear.

[BoondockSaint]

This is probably why Kieth Hernandez won't get the job. He'll say it like it is, and thats not what they want to hear.

Then why would they hire him as an announcer?

[Bulldogcakes]

Then why would they hire him as an announcer?

Hmmm. You got me there.

OK, let me ask you.

1-Do you think they'll hire him?

2-Who do you think will make the decision-Omar, the Wilpons or both?

[Bossanova]

Hmmm. You got me there.

OK, let me ask you.

1-Do you think they'll hire him?

2-Who do you think will make the decision-Omar, the Wilpons or both?

It is supposedly Omar's call, but you know the Wilpons will make this one behind the scenes

[Bulldogcakes]

It is supposedly Omar's call, but you know the Wilpons will make this one behind the scenes

I ask that because there's a theory that Omar won't hire Keith because he'll be bigger than the franchise. He's so popular he can throw his weight around and get whatever he wants. I think thats overblown, but thats the theory.

Omar should hire whoever he thinks can turn this around the fastest. In the past day or so on WFAN the callers are already past Willie (thinking he's as good as fired already) and are now turning their frustrations directly on Omar. Not without merit either, there were a lot of old guys he depended on who've given this team nothing so far.

[Towelie]

Would a hard ass white guy be the right manager for this team?

I really don't know. I hate to bring it to ethnicity, but since thats apparently how the club house is divided, I think maybe a Hispanic guy would be better suited to shake up guys like Reyes and Delgado.

I don't really give a fuck what Billy Wagner thinks or says, and I think David could fit in anywhere, so our appeasing white guy quota should really be too affected.

[Bulldogcakes]

Would a hard ass white guy be the right manager for this team?

I really don't know. I hate to bring it to ethnicity, but since thats apparently how the club house is divided, I think maybe a Hispanic guy would be better suited to shake up guys like Reyes and Delgado.

Keith HERNANDEZ isn't Hispanic? Actually, he might be someone who could bridge the gap in the clubhouse. Unless you were referring to Backman, then I agree with you there.

[BoondockSaint]

Hmmm. You got me there.

OK, let me ask you.

1-Do you think they'll hire him?

2-Who do you think will make the decision-Omar, the Wilpons or both?

I wish they would. I heard or read somewhere that Omar won't have any input on if Willie stays or goes. If that's true then I'm not sure how much he will have to do with hiring the new manager.

[K.C.]

Would a hard ass white guy be the right manager for this team?

I really don't know. I hate to bring it to ethnicity, but since thats apparently how the club house is divided, I think maybe a Hispanic guy would be better suited to shake up guys like Reyes and Delgado.


Well, Ozzie Guillen's not available.


I wouldn't fire Willie mid-season if I'm in the Mets' position, unless they completely and utterly tank.



But if they make a move, and I guarantee you'll all scoff at the notion, that team needs to hire Larry Bowa.

The driving force of the fortunes of this Mets squad, more than anyone, is Jose Reyes. Bowa molded Rollins in his formative years as a player, which is a big reason why he is the leader and player he is today.

He could do the same for Reyes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'd bring in Backman. It would be the ultimate rebuilding project. Sink or swim. I'd love it.

[Towelie]

Larry Bowa isn't the right guy for this team.

And as much as Rollins wants to credit Bowa with his rise, take a look at his numbers in the vet as opposed to the numbers in CBP

He's one of the biggest beneficiaries of that band box. And him winning a gold glove last year was a joke. Flat out robbery of Reyes.

Anyhow, I'm not overly concerned yet. I still think we have the most talent in the division and the NL, its just something to bring it together. I'm hoping that something is Pedro.

[K.C.]

Larry Bowa isn't the right guy for this team.

And as much as Rollins wants to credit Bowa with his rise, take a look at his numbers in the vet as opposed to the numbers in CBP

He's one of the biggest beneficiaries of that band box. And him winning a gold glove last year was a joke. Flat out robbery of Reyes.

Anyhow, I'm not overly concerned yet. I still think we have the most talent in the division and the NL, its just something to bring it together. I'm hoping that something is Pedro.


If you look at Rollins home vs. away numbers from 2005-2007, the only real notable difference in the numbers is in batting average in 2006.

He's played as well on the road as his has in the 'band box.'

The point is he's a much better player now, than he was from 2001-2004, and part of it was his tutelage under Bowa.


Bowa himself may not be the right fit for this particular team...but if the Mets were really going to fire Randolph, they'd almost have to be looking for someone in that mold.

Otherwise, I don't really understand why they would fire him, unless they wanted to change clubhouse philosophy.

That said, I really don't think they'd fire him unless the wheels completely fell off. And as much as Mets fans want to complain about their team right now, the wheels aren't close to being completely off yet.

[Holla Achu]

I'm not in favor of firing Willie, but I must admit that his race cop-out has permanently tainted my opinion of him. Before then, I would have defended that man tooth and nail, but that comment really changed my view of him.

[Towelie]

Well Willie is meeting with ownership tomorrow, so I think he's skating for now

I don't think they would announce the meeting before hand if they were firing him

We'll see.

[Towelie]

If you look at Rollins home vs. away numbers from 2005-2007, the only real notable difference in the numbers is in batting average in 2006.

Career OPS in CBP = .864
Career OPS in the Vet = .725

Just look at his career OPS+

2001: 92
2002: 85
2003: 90
2004: 102
2005: 97
2006: 101
2007: 118

Now looking at those numbers, doesn't it make more sense that his offense improved because of CBP Opening (2004) then Larry Bowa (fired after 160 games in 04)

A lot of the reason for his improvement is also Ryan Howard and Chase Utley developing into superstars around 2005. Give me one pitch to make in a critical situation, Rollins is the first guy I want to face of those three.

[K.C.]

Career OPS in CBP = .864
Career OPS in the Vet = .725

Just look at his career OPS+

2001: 92
2002: 85
2003: 90
2004: 102
2005: 97
2006: 101
2007: 118

Now looking at those numbers, doesn't it make more sense that his offense improved because of CBP Opening (2004) then Larry Bowa (fired after 160 games in 04)

A lot of the reason for his improvement is also Ryan Howard and Chase Utley developing into superstars around 2005. Give me one pitch to make in a critical situation, Rollins is the first guy I want to face of those three.


The Vet numbers don't matter. As I've said already, he's plays the game completely differently now, and anyone who's watched him since he came up in 2000 would tell you that.

You can say he's a product of the ballpark all you want, but it's not bared out in the numbers...explain the lack of discrepency between his home and away from 2005 on.

It's the same argument you used to make with Ryan Howard, yet Howard actually, last time I checked, has hit more home runs on the road than he has at Citizens Bank Park throughout his career.

I've watched Rollins since he came up...he played the game completely differently in his younger years as opposed to now. He approaches at bats way differently than he did years ago.

But you seem to have a habit of marginalizing any good Phillies player, or any accomplishment by that team as "oh, it's the ballpark."

Now, in some cases that's true...Aaron Rowand's power last year was a product of the ballpark, and you saw it in the home runs he hit. Chase Utley is a phenominal hitter, and would still be one, but he probably would not hit quite as many home runs as he does now.

In Rollins case, it's different. And if there was a way to get you game tape of him from 2002 and compare it with game tape of him from 2007 or 2008, you'd see the difference, quite easily.

[BoondockSaint]

From MetsBlog:

I have been sent several e-mails in the last day or so referencing a comment by WFAN’s Mike and the Mad Dog, suggesting that they had talked with Keith Hernandez, who said he is interested in managing the Mets.

I talked with SNY’s spokesman, who contacted Keith, who says this is not correct – adding that Keith is not interested in managing.

So, somebody's lying.

[Towelie]

From MetsBlog:



So, somebody's lying.

Keith has constantly said he has no interest in being a coach. He could have had a coaching job with the Mets on a few occasions and turned it down.

The dude likes his freedom. He doesn't want the grind of being a 162 game guy again

[King Hippos Bandaid]

give Willie to the All Star Breakl be in 1st place or 5 games over .500

if he falls on both

can him and interim with Manuel until the end of the season


then search for a replacement

[Towelie]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP)—Former major league pitcher Geremi Gonzalez, who won 11 games for the Chicago Cubs in 1997, was killed by a lightning strike in his native Venezuela on Sunday. He was 33.

Emergency management official Herman Bracho said Monday that Gonzalez was struck by lightning at a beach.

Gonzalez pitched for five major league teams from 1997-2006. The right-hander appeared in 131 games with 83 starts, compiling a 30-35 record.

Gonzalez also played for the Tampa Bay Rays, Boston Red Sox, New York Mets and Milwaukee Brewers. He made a combined 24 appearances for the Mets and Brewers in his final major league season in 2006.

The Toronto Blue Jays released him during spring training last year. Gonzalez then moved to Japan and pitched in five games for the Yomiuri Giants.


:ohmy::ohmy::ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, that's a bizarre story. I don't appreciate that they try and highlight him as a Cub when the finger of God strikes down a ballplayer.

And Towelie, sig pics can only be up to 30k in size. You're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the limit, and that can effect page loading for a lot of other posters here. Please take care of it.

[Bossanova]

Wow, it amazes me how I actually know less about the Willie situation after listenng to Omar's press conference than I did earlier. I really hate listening to this used car salesman of a GM. I don't trust Omar

[BoondockSaint]

Wow, it amazes me how I actually know less about the Willie situation after listenng to Omar's press conference than I did earlier. I really hate listening to this used car salesman of a GM. I don't trust Omar

Racist.

[Bossanova]

Racist.

HAHAHA!


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[cougarjake13]

im so disgusted with this team im starting to not even care

[Towelie]

Its going to see interesting to see how the team will respond to this.

A sweep of Florida would be a good start.

[BoondockSaint]

im so disgusted with this team im starting to not even care

Racist.

[cougarjake13]

Racist.

WHERE have you gone kevin elster, mets nation turns its lonely eyes towards you

[Bossanova]

:unsure:

[BoondockSaint]

A source told the Daily News that Fred Wilpon, who left Shea after the meeting without speaking with reporters, was prepared to fire Randolph Monday if the fourth-year manager was defiant. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/05/26/2008-05-26_willie_randolph_survives_to_manage_the_m.html)

I'm a little surprised by that. I didn't think there was any way he'd get fired today.

[Bossanova]

Yeah, there is no way they would fire him during a 4:00 meeting three hours before a game. thats more of aa off day thing. And then Kevin McReynolds could be mentioned in this thread

[Kevin]

Yeah, there is no way they would fire him during a 4:00 meeting three hours before a game. thats more of aa off day thing. And then Kevin McReynolds could be mentioned in this thread

Where have you gone Kevin Mcreynolds?

[Bossanova]

Where have you gone Kevin Mcreynolds?

Hopefully eating Glenn Davis' ass somewhere.



I really hate Omar and Willie more and more after every interview. Be real once. PLEASE

[BoondockSaint]

Where have you gone Kevin Mcreynolds?


The all time Mets line up would be

Dykstra
Teuffel
Kranepool
Carter
McReynolds
Hojo
Staub
Elster
Seaver

[Kevin]

Hopefully eating Glenn Davis' ass somewhere.



I really hate Omar and Willie more and more after every interview. Be real once. PLEASE

Racist.

[Bossanova]

Racist.

But..........................eh fuck it

[Bossanova]

The all time Mets line up would be

Dykstra
Teuffel
Kranepool
Carter
McReynolds
Hojo
Staub
Elster
Seaver

Kevin Mitchell better be on the bench somewhere

[BoondockSaint]

Kevin Mitchell better be on the bench somewhere

Mr. Bad Influence? He can be on someone else's bench. The Mets bench would be:

Backman
Ed Hern
Macky Sasser
Buddy Harrelson
DiFelice

[Bossanova]

Mr. Bad Influence? He can be on someone else's bench. The Mets bench would be:

Backman
Ed Hern
Macky Sasser
Buddy Harrelson
DiFelice

So, then I guess no Bonilla either

[BoondockSaint]

So, then I guess no Bonilla either

If he can't get in the Klan he can't get on the bench.

[Bossanova]

I thought Reyes wasn't going to try to hit homerums. God this team is ridiculous sometimes

[BoondockSaint]

I thought Reyes wasn't going to try to hit homerums. God this team is ridiculous sometimes

Just because he hit one doesn't mean he was trying. If he's trying to do anything of late it's make errors. And he's been awesome at that.

[Bossanova]

Just because he hit one doesn't mean he was trying. If he's trying to do anything of late it's make errors. And he's been awesome at that.

You gotta givem alota cwedit Mikey. He's not a good player, but a gweat player when it comes to errors

[Bossanova]

Now he is being flashy. Get rid of him

[Towelie]

I wish we could face Ricky Nolasco everyday

[Bossanova]

I wish we could face Ricky Nolasco everyday

Your quote or Willie's?

[BoondockSaint]

Now he is being flashy.


Freaking Latinos.

[Bossanova]

Freaking Latinos.

I wish mouthpiece could be latino

[BoondockSaint]

I wish mouthpiece could be latino

Mouthpieceo?

[Bossanova]

Mouthpieceo?

ROFL:lol:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

los mets es muy mal

[Bulldogcakes]

From MetsBlog:

I have been sent several e-mails in the last day or so referencing a comment by WFAN’s Mike and the Mad Dog, suggesting that they had talked with Keith Hernandez, who said he is interested in managing the Mets.

I talked with SNY’s spokesman, who contacted Keith, who says this is not correct – adding that Keith is not interested in managing.

So, somebody's lying.

Maybe. Or maybe somebody heard the wind was blowing the other way and didn't want to look like they were trying to take the managers job. As one of the main announcers, that would color everything Keith says in the minds of the public. Could also make doing his job difficult if he has to interview the guy or deal with him for info on a daily basis.

Could be somebody's lying, or just smart PR.

If I had to guess, I would say where's there's smoke . . . .

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mr. Bad Influence? He can be on someone else's bench. The Mets bench would be:

Backman
Ed Hern
Macky Sasser
Buddy Harrelson
DiFelice

With no DH, why in God's name is Sasser in this lineup?

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, Boonie, why isn't Straw or Gooden in that lineup? Say what you want about the coke, but the majority of Straw's legal problems came after his Met tenure. Same with Doc.

[docgoblin]

Maybe. Or maybe somebody heard the wind was blowing the other way and didn't want to look like they were trying to take the managers job. As one of the main announcers, that would color everything Keith says in the minds of the public. Could also make doing his job difficult if he has to interview the guy or deal with him for info on a daily basis.

Could be somebody's lying, or just smart PR.

If I had to guess, I would say where's there's smoke . . . .

First off; I don't believe one thing Mike and the Mad Dog say when it involves something they were told by "someone". They have often been proved to by lying.

Secondly; Why would Keith come out on the air yesterday and absolutely destroy Carter for his comments if he was harboring a desire to step in himself. It would only make him look twice as bad as Gary if the story proved to be true, and make SNY look foolish in the process.

I don't believe a word of it.

This team is quickly becoming a shambles from the front office to the broadcast crew. Mr. Wilpon must be very proud of the dysfunctional garbage he's bringing into his new stadium. Opening day 2009 ought to be very interesting. I bet you never heard 45,000 fans boo their team on the first day in a new ballpark.

[Tenbatsuzen]

First off; I don't believe one thing Mike and the Mad Dog say when it involves something they were told by "someone". They have often been proved to by lying.

Secondly; Why would Keith come out on the air yesterday and absolutely destroy Carter for his comments if he was harboring a desire to step in himself. It would only make him look twice as bad as Gary if the story proved to be true, and make SNY look foolish in the process.

I don't believe a word of it.

This team is quickly becoming a shambles from the front office to the broadcast crew. Mr. Wilpon must be very proud of the dysfunctional garbage he's bringing into his new stadium. Opening day 2009 ought to be very interesting. I bet you never heard 45,000 fans boo their team on the first day in a new ballpark.

In fairness, the SNY crew and presentation of games is LIGHTYEARS better than YES.

I find watching games on SNY highly enjoyable. I like the little team culture segments with Burkhardt during lulls in the game.

[docgoblin]

The all time Mets line up would be

Dykstra
Teuffel
Kranepool
Carter
McReynolds
Hojo
Staub
Elster
Seaver

I'm sure that's not a serious lineup (Elster and Teufel...pleeeze!). But since you brought it up... Here is my choice for a perfect Mets starting nine:

Keith Hernandez 1b
Edgardo Alfonzo 2b
Bud Harrelson SS
Howard Johnson 3b
Mike Piazza C
Darryl Strawberry OF
Cleon Jones OF
Kevin McReynolds OF
Tom Sever SP

Tug McGraw would be my closer. I might even let Franco be Tug's setup man if Seaver only goes 7. But that probably wouldn't happen.

[BoondockSaint]

BTW, Boonie, why isn't Straw or Gooden in that lineup? Say what you want about the coke, but the majority of Straw's legal problems came after his Met tenure. Same with Doc.

You missed the joke.

[Towelie]

I'm still in sort of a holding pattern with this team really.

I want to see them play when Pedro comes back and when maybe we can get some lineup consistency.

How many times have we had our offseason starting lineup start a real game? 6?

I don't know what to think anymore.

Oh and a side note, Nick Evans could be another Jeff Francouer, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Their minor league numbers at the same level are ridiculously similar.

However he certainly doesn't have the defensive ability or the arm though.

[Kevin]

I'm still in sort of a holding pattern with this team really.

I want to see them play when Pedro comes back and when maybe we can get some lineup consistency.

How many times have we had our offseason starting lineup start a real game? 6?

I don't know what to think anymore.

Oh and a side note, Nick Evans could be another Jeff Francouer, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Their minor league numbers at the same level are ridiculously similar.

However he certainly doesn't have the defensive ability or the arm though.

You are making it seem that this is Pedro circa 1997-2002 coming back. Pedro is not a team saver. He is not a great pitcher anymore

[Towelie]

You are making it seem that this is Pedro circa 1997-2002 coming back. Pedro is not a team saver. He is not a great pitcher anymore

Um, this is the same guy who was 3-1 in 5 starts last year with a 2.57 ERA, its a small sample for sure, but he's still a solid pitcher, and he's not coming off an arm injury.

He'll certainly do better then Pelfrey, and he's a better bet to be more consistent then Ollie.

Not to mention the energy he brings to the team, the clubhouse and the stadium whenever he pitches.

He's a leader on this team and his presence alone will boost this team.

And you seem to forget his 2005, where he had a 2.82 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP.

[Kevin]

Um, this is the same guy who was 3-1 in 5 starts last year with a 2.57 ERA, its a small sample for sure, but he's still a solid pitcher, and he's not coming off an arm injury.

He'll certainly do better then Pelfrey, and he's a better bet to be more consistent then Ollie.

Not to mention the energy he brings to the team, the clubhouse and the stadium whenever he pitches.

He's a leader on this team and his presence alone will boost this team.

And you seem to forget his 2005, where he had a 2.82 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP.

2005 was almost 3 years ago, you realize that right? And you can not count on Pedro anymore to stay healthy.

[K.C.]

2005 was almost 3 years ago.

Or in Pedro terms, four injuries ago.

I think that midget that used to follow him around in Boston put a hex on him.

[BoondockSaint]

Or in Pedro terms, four injuries ago.

I think that midget that used to follow him around in Boston put a hex on him.

That midget had a better arm than Carlton. And he never cried like that sissy Schmidt.

[K.C.]

That midget had a better arm than Carlton. And he never cried like that sissy Schmidt.

Why do you disparage the Lord and Savior like that? Thou shalt not take the name of Lefty in vain.


Schmidt, I can't defend...pansy.

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[Towelie]

2005 was almost 3 years ago, you realize that right? And you can not count on Pedro anymore to stay healthy.

Not saying that he'll be 2005 Pedro, I'm just saying you pretty much said he was done after 2002, which was just not the case

This is the greatest pitcher of our generation, don't discount his ability to bounce back. He's in a contract year and said he wants to pitch two or three more years. He's going to do whatever it takes.

Again, I'm not worried yet. When the Marlins are dominating the division, you know its still early.

And just a quick note, in 2002 at this point we were in first place, and the 2007 Rockies were in last.

We've got a long way to go.

[BoondockSaint]

Not saying that he'll be 2005 Pedro, I'm just saying you pretty much said he was done after 2002, which was just not the case

This is the greatest pitcher of our generation, don't discount his ability to bounce back. He's in a contract year and said he wants to pitch two or three more years. He's going to do whatever it takes.


I agree that he will do everything he can but so far he was only able to do it for a few innings.

[Kevin]

Not saying that he'll be 2005 Pedro, I'm just saying you pretty much said he was done after 2002, which was just not the case

This is the greatest pitcher of our generation, don't discount his ability to bounce back. He's in a contract year and said he wants to pitch two or three more years. He's going to do whatever it takes.

Again, I'm not worried yet. When the Marlins are dominating the division, you know its still early.

And just a quick note, in 2002 at this point we were in first place, and the 2007 Rockies were in last.

We've got a long way to go.

Never said he was done. Just not the kind of pitcher that you would def say, wait til he is back and everything will be better. He just isn not that kihda pitcher anymore.

[BoondockSaint]

Never said he was done. Just not the kind of pitcher that you would def say, wait til he is back and everything will be better. He just isn not that kihda pitcher anymore.

He is that kind of pitcher. HE SMASH!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

He is that kind of pitcher. HE SMASH!!!!!!!!!!

You are having quite a blast tonight.

[BoondockSaint]

You are having quite a blast tonight.

SMASHevin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PD]

I agree that he will do everything he can but so far he was only able to do it for a few innings.

I was stupid enough at beginning of season to think Pedro would be back to 2005 form.

Now nothing with this team looks like it will go right.

[Kevin]

That midget had a better arm than Carlton. And he never cried like that sissy Schmidt.

Shmidt or Carlton never called another team his daddy either.. SMASH!

[Towelie]

I'm going to make the short treck tomorrow night to go watch Pedro pitch in St. Lucie tomorrow night, so hopefully everything works out well for him

He's back June 2nd in SF, certainly a good place to make a return as a pitcher.

[Towelie]

Newsday reports that Matt Wise will be placed on the disabled list with a weak right shoulder.
Wise has only been back from a DL stint due to a bruised arm for two weeks, allowing two earned runs in four innings. This is the move that will make space for Carlos Muniz on the Mets' roster.

Sigh. Aaron Heilman survives again.

[TheMojoPin]

Sorry, Mets fans. Nothing is going your way this year:

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[BoondockSaint]

We had more runs at the end of the game tonight. What does that mean exactly? Has this ever happened before?

[dino_electropolis]

was at the game last nite....left after the 6th, completly disgusted.

tonites game was fine insomuch as they got a win.....but where is that spark?


where is that spark??

oh yeah, it left with LoDuca (see my posts about 2 months ago, thank you)

[PD]

was at the game last nite....left after the 6th, completly disgusted.

tonites game was fine insomuch as they got a win.....but where is that spark?


where is that spark??

oh yeah, it left with LoDuca (see my posts about 2 months ago, thank you)

LoDuca had to go- no arm, Roid allegations. As good as he seems, he wore out welcome in LA and Fla before NY.

What is this with Reyes defense? For a talented guy, he's making way too many simple errors.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

was at the game last nite....left after the 6th, completly disgusted.

tonites game was fine insomuch as they got a win.....but where is that spark?


where is that spark??

oh yeah, it left with LoDuca (see my posts about 2 months ago, thank you)

To be honest man I think we might get some spark back when Pedro returns.

[Towelie]

was at the game last nite....left after the 6th, completly disgusted.

tonites game was fine insomuch as they got a win.....but where is that spark?


where is that spark??

oh yeah, it left with LoDuca (see my posts about 2 months ago, thank you)

LoDuca was a no hit, no field, clubhouse dividing shitbag.

He ran his mouth and cost us more then a couple games with his roid rage on the field.

Fuck LoDuca, the second he was gone the team was better off.

Not to mention that whole Mitchell Report thing

And how do you leave a game in the 6th inning when the Mets are winning? You are the worst kind of fan.

[Devo37]

What is this with Reyes defense? For a talented guy, he's making way too many simple errors.

what about his offense? picked-off twice over the weekend! stolen bases are great. getting picked-off is not!

[spadanko]

Fuck loDuca indeed.... Pedro and Valentin are major influences in the clubhouse. Valentin (aka Pornstache) was a big time mentor to Reyes. He needs to be back. And Pedro is a God to alot of these players and a major father figure. him coming back will bring a leader into clubhouse and someone taht will take control when things go nuts

[BeerBandit]

Going up against another lefty tonight. Does Willie bench Delgado again, as he should?

[Chip196]

Going up against another lefty tonight. Does Willie bench Delgado again, as he should?

I agree ... I wouldn't mind at all if he was sitting tonight. It's not going to happen though.

[K.C.]

Fuck loDuca indeed.... Pedro and Valentin are major influences in the clubhouse. Valentin (aka Pornstache) was a big time mentor to Reyes. He needs to be back. And Pedro is a God to alot of these players and a major father figure. him coming back will bring a leader into clubhouse and someone taht will take control when things go nuts

Lo Duca is almost done, anyway. There's a chance he might not even be the starting catcher in Washington when he comes back if Jesus Flores keeps playing well down there.

I'm not a big fan of Brian Schneider, and I still think that trade is going to come back and bite the Mets, even with Church's hot start, but one thing you can say about Schneider is that he's one of the better guys in terms of calling a game, and gives them a solid defensive starting catcher...something they haven't had in a while going from Piazza to Lo Duca.

[Chip196]

Lo Duca is almost done, anyway. There's a chance he might not even be the starting catcher in Washington when he comes back if Jesus Flores keeps playing well down there.

I'm not a big fan of Brian Schneider, and I still think that trade is going to come back and bite the Mets, even with Church's hot start, but one thing you can say about Schneider is that he's one of the better guys in terms of calling a game, and gives them a solid defensive starting catcher...something they haven't had in a while going from Piazza to Lo Duca.

You think Milledge will pan out to be better than Church and Shneider combined? Church has always said he could hit lefties and just wasn't given the shot ... I think this is roughly what we can expect him to do all year (give or take a little). Combine that with an above average defensive catcher and i don't think Milledge will surpass that. (at least I am hoping so):smile:

[Towelie]

I was a big Milledge fan, but this is his third year in the bigs and he's still making the same off the field mistakes he shouldn't.

He would have been eaten alive by the media (again)

[K.C.]

You think Milledge will pan out to be better than Church and Shneider combined? Church has always said he could hit lefties and just wasn't given the shot ... I think this is roughly what we can expect him to do all year (give or take a little). Combine that with an above average defensive catcher and i don't think Milledge will surpass that. (at least I am hoping so):smile:

Milledge has enough talent where he COULD be a very productive outfielder for the next 15 years.

Church is a nice player, and has played better than I ever thought he was really capable of, but doesn't have the raw talent that Milledge SHOULD show at some point. And for the nice things I've said about Schneider, it's usually not hard to find guys who can fill the role he does on the market. This year was the exception, where there really wasn't anyone out there, and the Mets needed a guy like that, hence the move.

Most of Milledge's issue is whether he can get himself to a place mentally where he starts to develop a better baseball sense...we'll see if that happens. He's only 23, and the Nationals aren't going anywhere anytime soon so he has some time to do it without a lot of pressure on him.

In one respect, it's understandable why the Mets made the move...they're a team with a lot of veterans where the window might start to close soon, and they figured their best shot was now, and couldn't wait on Milledge any longer. Plus without Church's contribution, it'd be interesting to see where the team would be at this point.

On the other hand, if he starts doing what he's capable of doing later this season, or in the next year or so, it's going to look bad.

[Chip196]

Milledge has enough talent where he COULD be a very productive outfielder for the next 15 years.

Church is a nice player, and has played better than I ever thought he was really capable of, but doesn't have the raw talent that Milledge SHOULD show at some point. And for the nice things I've said about Schneider, it's usually not hard to find guys who can fill the role he does on the market. This year was the exception, where there really wasn't anyone out there, and the Mets needed a guy like that, hence the move.

Most of Milledge's issue is whether he can get himself to a place mentally where he starts to develop a better baseball sense...we'll see if that happens. He's only 23, and the Nationals aren't going anywhere anytime soon so he has some time to do it without a lot of pressure on him.

In one respect, it's understandable why the Mets made the move...they're a team with a lot of veterans where the window might start to close soon, and they figured their best shot was now, and couldn't wait on Milledge any longer. Plus without Church's contribution, it'd be interesting to see where the team would be at this point.

On the other hand, if he starts doing what he's capable of doing later this season, or in the next year or so, it's going to look bad.

You make a good point. Towlies is good too about the off-field stuff ... NY would have a field day with him so they really had to make a move if they didn't think he could correct it. He really does rely too much on his natural ability and plays over confident which bites him in the ass. I'll admit I haven't seen him too much, but he plays too shallow and get burned often ... he's a loose canon on the base paths, and his head doesn't seem to be in the game at times. I think we already have enough of that on this team :(

[Towelie]

Already on the disabled list with a strained hamstring, Marlon Anderson underwent an MRI exam Tuesday and has now been diagnosed with a tear.
Anderson would have been in line for plenty of playing time given the Mets' outfield injuries, but now figures to be sidelined for quite a while. Endy Chavez, Fernando Tatis and Nick Evans will continue starting in the outfield corners.

Yeesh.

[spadanko]

Going up against another lefty tonight. Does Willie bench Delgado again, as he should?


Willie just said delgado benched again tonight

[Bulldogcakes]

Tribe to designate Julio for assignment (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080527&content_id=2783593&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle&partnered=rss_cle)

Want him back?

[Towelie]

Luis Castillo HR?

What?

2 on the year?

What?

[BeerBandit]

Ollie's at it again. Two walks, then the hanger to Mr. Homerun.

[docgoblin]

Can't come from behind one again... Ugh!

[Marc with a c]

Can't come from behind one again... Ugh!

what's that?

endyrrific!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cougarjake13]

endy fucking chavez !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[docgoblin]

Oops!... Spoke too soon. Nice shot by Endy.

[BeerBandit]

EN-DY CHA-VEZ!
Clap-Clap-Cla-Cla-Clap!

[Marc with a c]

whoop there it is.
nice

[cougarjake13]

fernando fucking tatis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chip196]

Great end to that game ... build on this one boys!!!

[docgoblin]

SUPER SUBS DO IT AGAIN!!!!

Please build on this guys!!!

[Devo37]

great game!!! just what they needed! looks like their stay in 4-Winds was worth it, cuz the Mets are back!!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Even after the home run in the 12th I had a feeling they were going to win. They just seemed to have some energy that they haven't had in a while. And giving Endy that homer sign in the 9th was some great managing by Willie.

[Towelie]

Would taking 3 out of 4 from LA be asking too much?

[ralphbxny]

Heck of a win! I am looking forward to going on Sat Afternoon!

[cougarjake13]

Would taking 3 out of 4 from LA be asking too much?

nothing is ever asking too much

but can they do it ???

[spadanko]

Even after the home run in the 12th I had a feeling they were going to win. They just seemed to have some energy that they haven't had in a while. And giving Endy that homer sign in the 9th was some great managing by Willie.

I felt the same exact way... felt like 06 last night. hope they can build off of it. i'll be there tonight

[spadanko]

Lineup

Reyes, ss
Castillo, 2b
Wright, 3b
Beltran, cf
Delgado, 1b
Tatis, lf
Chavez, rf
Schneider, c
Vargas, rhp

[Towelie]

Hopefully they will continue their raping of Brad Penny.

Sucks they fucked up DLing Church, seems like they always fuck up DLing as player (See Angel Pagan)

Tatis should be batting ahead of Delgado, but I guess they wanted to split up the lefties, even though lefties are hitting .358/.453/.459/.912 against Penny this year.

[spadanko]

Eddie C jsut said Church could be back this weekend. let's hope so

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Im not being fooled by 1 win

they are still scum unless they win atleast 7 out of the next 11 Games

LA 4 at Sf 3 and at SD 4

[BoondockSaint]

I gotta say that I'm pulled back in. Two good games, Pedro on the horizon, Reyes getting hot with the bat.

http://umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ya-gotta-believe.jpg

However, I am one self destructive son of a bitch so I may just be subconsciously setting myself up to be crushed. Again.

[BoondockSaint]

Eight 2 out runs tonight. Scoring 4 runs after a catchers interference on the pitcher. Things are going their way.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

good fucking start

lets smack the dodgers around before their 2nd half run

[PD]

Eight 2 out runs tonight. Scoring 4 runs after a catchers interference on the pitcher. Things are going their way.

yes; last 2 days, a number of good trends.

Baseball is a game of confidence; I think these things will start a good streak.

(Ok, replace think with hope)

[spadanko]

I was at the game last ngiht. Great crowd... and the PLayed the Curley shuffle.. went old school... they need to keep it going

[BeerBandit]

Ok, lefty tonight. Fireballing lefty. Does Delgado sit? He had a good game last night including a hit off of a lefty.

[Towelie]

Not only a fireballing lefty, a rookie lefty.

History dictates we're going to get our asses handed to us.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Not only a fireballing lefty, a rookie lefty.

History dictates we're going to get our asses handed to us.

Fuck History in its Ass

Final Score

Mets 204 Dodgers -2

[spadanko]

Kershaw is disgusting... but delgado wll be playing. could be a tough one tonight

[Towelie]

I'm expecting big things out of Maine tonight, it would be nice to get a repeat performance out him from his last LA start.

As far as Delgado goes, if he can keep up the pace he had in May for the rest of the year, I'll take it. (.250/5/13) It would leave him around .250/30/80 and I think you'll see the RBIs go up when Church and Alou get back (which should be next week)

Either way after last night, he deserves to stay in the lineup tonight

[BeerBandit]

I'm expecting big things out of Maine tonight, it would be nice to get a repeat performance out him from his last LA start.


Yeah, and he was undone by Reyes' E in Col. If I remember right he hadn't given up a hit thru 3 2/3 until the E and the HR.

[docgoblin]

Not only a fireballing lefty, a rookie lefty.

History dictates we're going to get our asses handed to us.

Disagree... They get their asses handed to them by junk ball pitchers with 10.00 ERAs. They're pretty good against straight fastball pitchers.

[Towelie]

Yeah, and he was undone by Reyes' E in Col. If I remember right he hadn't given up a hit thru 3 2/3 until the E and the HR.

Yea they should have been out of that inning. It happens.

[Towelie]

Disagree... They get their asses handed to them by junk ball pitchers with 10.00 ERAs. They're pretty good against straight fastball pitchers.

I'd love to see the Mets record against rookie pitchers, its like they don't even bother with advanced scouting

[BoondockSaint]

Delcos posted that Willie said Delgado is in the line up tonight.

[spadanko]

Lineup

Reyes, ss
Castillo, 2b
Wright, 3b
Beltran, cf
Tatis, rf
Castro, c
Delgado, 1b
Evans, lf
Maine, rhp

[PD]

I was at the game last ngiht. Great crowd... and the PLayed the Curley shuffle.. went old school... they need to keep it going

Craig Carton (partner with Boomer on wFAN morning now that Imus is gone) said that he asked Jeff Wilpon to bring that back;
I always loved that silly vid, mostly cause of the met era it represents.

as Boondock said, Willie said Delgado will be in lineup today, and I'm pretty sure he said it earlier too (that the days off were just that.... for now).

Delgado's response was that it was fine- but he wants no part of a platoon; I think that yesterday showed that he realizes if he wants to be an every day player he needs to really get his act in order. (I loved the comments about how that may be the first game in a long time that Delgado got his jersey dirty).

also as docgoblin said, its the breaking balls that kill this team.

I'm hoping for good things tonight; and remember, since Kershaw is a lefty Castillo will be hitting from his power side :smile:

[Bossanova]

Im not being fooled by 1 win

they are still scum unless they win atleast 7 out of the next 11 Games

LA 4 at Sf 3 and at SD 4

You couldn't have stopped right there jinxy?

[Marc with a c]

castillo just supermaned that ho

[BoondockSaint]

He certainly did.

[Towelie]

I'm hoping for good things tonight; and remember, since Kershaw is a lefty Castillo will be hitting from his power side :smile:

:bye::bye:

[BoondockSaint]

Why doesn't Willie tell Maine to stop giving up runs? He's the worst manager ever!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Why doesn't Willie tell Maine to stop giving up runs? He's the worst manager ever!!!!!!!!!

Willie needs to tell Maine to grow a Giambi Porno Mustache, that would make the difference. What kind of a manager is he?

[BoondockSaint]

Willie needs to tell Maine to grow a Giambi Porno Mustache, that would make the difference. What kind of a manager is he?

Please, the original porno stache will be back in a Mets uniform soon.

http://www.flushinguniversity.com/moxie/moxiepix/a550.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

Phenom schlenom.

[PD]

damn weird game so far.
bad calls, broken bats etc.

and return to form for Heilman

[spadanko]

Please, the original porno stache will be back in a Mets uniform soon.

http://www.flushinguniversity.com/moxie/moxiepix/a550.jpg


we miss him more then people know

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Heilman , instant streak killer


I hate his guts

[docgoblin]

Heilman , instant streak killer


I hate his guts

Yeah, that one's all on Heilman.

[BoondockSaint]

Ugh, Buck and McCarver.

[Fallon]

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8602/lima0227qf9.jpg

[Fallon]

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7047/josereyesgay2vj6.jpg

[hammersavage]

what did you google search 'Mets' and 'fag', Fallon?

I can just show Fever Pitch to trump them all.

Great win today baby!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Nice comeback win yesterday. And tonight the Dodgers will learn that you don't mess with the Johan.

[cougarjake13]

Nice comeback win yesterday. And tonight the Dodgers will learn that you don't mess with the Johan.

that was ghey

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Sunday Night Baseball, then a west coast game on Monday


pretty fucked up


They should have had Monday off and played a 3 game series

[BoondockSaint]

that was ghey

Comebacks aren't gay.

[Bossanova]

Comebacks aren't gay.

yag era skcabemoc

[BoondockSaint]

Beltranian!!!!

[cougarjake13]

Comebacks aren't gay.

comebacks ... no

the johan comment .. yes

[BoondockSaint]

comebacks ... no

the johan comment .. yes

Are you calling Johan gay?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Good to see our Man Crush is back and hitting Homeruns

I love you Ryan Church

[BeerBandit]

I guess Church is better.

[BeerBandit]

David will be hitting .300 by next weekend.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

if the lead gets any bigger, rest Curch Wright and Reyes

[PD]

back from Shea tonight; fun game (esp after the 5 run inning).

a number of solid/good defensive plays, including a couple of dp's

Amazing how Show has gone from being booed at the opening day introductions to being one of the teams most reliable relievers.

I was hoping Johan would throw a complete game, but once he walked Pierre on 4 pitches, and bounced 2 to kemp, it was obvious he'd have to come out.

Now if Pedro can give a solid game Tuesday (and not get re-injured), we will have nice momentum.

[Towelie]

Ryan Church is god.

[PD]

Ryan Church is god.

I think I heard on radio (or ESPN baseball tonight) that Church has hit a HR in his last 3 Sunday starts.

ponder that.:smoke:

[Towelie]

I'd really like 6 wins this week, but I'll be happy with 5.

Anything less then 5 wins is going to be a major disappointment

[cougarjake13]

I'd really like 6 wins this week, but I'll be happy with 5.

Anything less then 5 wins is going to be a major disappointment

as bad as the giants and padres have been this year it may be possible


are we gonna face linecum and peavy ???

[hammersavage]

Lincecum pitched yesterday so no.

Peavy was on the DL. Don't know if he gets off in time.....eww.....

[spadanko]

Lincecum pitched yesterday so no.

Peavy was on the DL. Don't know if he gets off in time.....eww.....


probable pitchers for the week

at Giants
Monday 2nd June - Oliver Perez vs Jonathan Sanchez
Tuesday 3rd June - Pedro Martinez vs Barry Zito
Wednesday 4th June - John Maine vs Matt Cain
at Padres
Thursday 5th June - Mike Pelfrey/Claudio Vargas vs Josh Banks
Friday 6th June - Johan Santana vs Randy Wolf
Saturday 7th June - Oliver Perez vs Cha Seung Baek
Sunday 8th June - Pedro Martinez vs Wilfredo Ledezma

[BeerBandit]

Same ol' Perez.:wallbash:

[BoondockSaint]

I hate Oliver Perez.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

yup Strike 3 Called on Tatis with the Bases Loaded

I knew this would jump start Oliver Perez

we are on track for 54-0 Giants

[Devo37]

damn, i thought they had the day off after the coast-to-coast flight.

4-0 in the first?!?!?! F You, Perez!!! i hope you break your ankle jumping over the foul line.

p.s. 6-0 now. 2 run homer as i write this!! and perez is still in!!! WTF?!?!?!

[Gmann]

Ollie P. strikes again!!!

[BeerBandit]

Tomorrow is decision day

Pedro comes back

Keep Pelfrey

Keep Vargas

"Lose" Perez in the Bay.

[BoondockSaint]

Well, at least I can go to bed early.

[BeerBandit]

Fuck this. I'm watching Overtime Hockey.

[Marc with a c]

i just hit a double off ollie

[King Hippos Bandaid]

a few good signs including Church with assist

im not counting the Mets out just yet

Pedro is already helping, if no Pedro, then I have no idea who be pitching now

Vargas would have been starting

[K.C.]

a few good signs including Church with assist

im not counting the Mets out just yet

Pedro is already helping, if no Pedro, then I have no idea who be pitching now

Vargas would have been starting

Are they going to bring back Ollie next season?

Honestly, when all is said and done, he'll probably have good surface numbers yet again this season. But he's almost painful to watch half the time.

[spadanko]

Are they going to bring back Ollie next season?

Honestly, when all is said and done, he'll probably have good surface numbers yet again this season. But he's almost painful to watch half the time.


unless the price comes down, no way... he wants 4/60... Boras client... and you know what, he might get that somewhere. Gil Meche gets $11 mil a season, a young, power arm lefty is bound to get at least 13

[K.C.]

unless the price comes down, no way... he wants 4/60... Boras client... and you know what, he might get that somewhere. Gil Meche gets $11 mil a season, a young, power arm lefty is bound to get at least 13

I don't see the price being anywhere near right...someone will be desperate enough to take a chance on 'straightening out his control' in the hopes of getting the ace pitcher he was that one year in Pittsburgh.

[Towelie]

Here comes Pete!

Nice to get him an early lead...Too bad we couldn't add another.

[BoondockSaint]

Pedro hasn't had great control but him cracking 90 a bunch in encouraging.

[Towelie]

I can just foresee that wind causing a major problem later on in the game...

We'll see

[Towelie]

For as much as people will question the moves Omar has made, I thank god everyday that he did not sign Barry Zito.

Just atrocious.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

109 Pitches

6 Strong Innings

Thank You Pedro

[TheMojoPin]

Yay, Pedro!

[Kevin]

Yay, Pedro!

Any truth to the rumor that he pulled a hammy going to his car??

[TheMojoPin]

Any truth to the rumor that he pulled a hammy going to his car??

HOW DARE YOU, SIR.

I will now post about the Yankees in multiple threads to spite you.

[Kevin]

HOW DARE YOU, SIR.

I will now post in multiple threads about the Yankees to spite you.

Boy, after the last successful campaign, how could you not!

[TheMojoPin]

It makes for INSTANT HILARITY.

[Kevin]

It makes for INSTANT HILARITY.

You have changed me, I have seen the error of my ways..






GO CUBS!!!

[hammersavage]

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but does anyone feel like we're making to big a deal about this. I mean, just look at the post-game celebration. A little excessive??

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/pedro_mahow_reu.jpg

I mean, he can be excited but it was 1 game. (a better poster would have at least photoshopped, i know...)

[PD]

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but does anyone feel like we're making to big a deal about this. I mean, just look at the post-game celebration. A little excessive??

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/pedro_mahow_reu.jpg

I mean, he can be excited but it was 1 game. (a better poster would have at least photoshopped, i know...)

Pedro is all about intangibles. Just look at these comments (from Metsblog)
Willie Randolph, on Martinez, talking to reporters after the game:

“He started out, probably didn’t have his best command early, but he has a way of putting people away when needs to. You saw it at the end of the game, he had a couple of men on base, but he wasn’t gonna be denied…It’s good to have him back, it’s a good sign for the club.”
The opposite of Ollie Perez. I think he will be very important for this team- just as an example of what it means to be a "smart pitcher"

[BeerBandit]

Where's Church? Feeling woozy?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Where's Church? Feeling woozy?

Night Game then Day, smart move to rest him

we have 4 more against the Padres


3-0 not too shabby with out him

[BoondockSaint]

Church asked out because he was tired.

[Bossanova]

This bullpen is not showing their best this series..

[Kevin]

Church asked out because he was tired.

PSH!

Paul Oneill played in 150 degree weather, everyday and NEVER asked out. Church is not A REAL MAN!!!!

[Towelie]

Here's hoping Yonder Alonso or Jamile Weeks falls to #18 today

Unlikely, but hey its happened before (Kazmir, Pelfrey)

[BoondockSaint]

Here's hoping Yonder Alonso or Jamile Weeks falls to #18 today

Unlikely, but hey its happened before (Kazmir, Pelfrey)

I think we may have a shot at Weeks.

[Towelie]

I think we may have a shot at Weeks.

I've been hearing Weeks to Oakland at 12 for a few days now

We'll see

[spadanko]

I agree about Weeks, he'll be there, but i think 18 may be early.. some reports I read people are down on him.. I say go Ike davis

[Kevin]

Becks To Tampa!!

[Towelie]

Ike Davis would be a solid pick, I really hope they at least grab one bat in the first round since the pitching in this draft is pretty poor

[Towelie]

Giants manned up and took Posey

Enjoy that 12 million dollar signing bonus demand.

[Towelie]

Oh well, no Alonso

[Towelie]

I've been hearing Weeks to Oakland at 12 for a few days now

We'll see

Sigh. Times like these I hate being right

[BoondockSaint]

http://www.southparkstuff.com/images/stories/characters/ike/ike2.gif

[Towelie]

Nice call spadanko

I'm thinking Christian Friedrich next pick

[Towelie]

Don't sleep on Harold Martinez either...He's signed to the U, but with enough money we might be able to take him away

Perfect pick for the supplemental round, a la David Wright.

Kid is going to be a star, he's got the early comparisons to A-Rod.

[Kevin]

http://www.sheetmusiccenter.com/70/221.jpg

[Towelie]

Got to be Christian Friedrich or Shooter Hunt here

[BoondockSaint]

Well, at least we solved that SS problem we have.

[Towelie]

Interesting pick here

If they can make Havens a catcher or a second baseman its a solid pick, other wise its a head scratcher.

C'mon Harold Martinez in the supplemental round

[Kevin]

Well, at least we solved that SS problem we have.

Reminds me when the Yanks took the immortal CJ Henry the other year.

[BoondockSaint]

Reminds me when the Yanks took the immortal CJ Henry the other year.

It's the initials that doomed him.

[Kevin]

It's the initials that doomed him.

NICE!

[Towelie]

If we can steal Gerrit Cole at 33, I'd be very happy, even if it does mean we miss out on Harold Martinez

[spadanko]

Interesting pick here

If they can make Havens a catcher or a second baseman its a solid pick, other wise its a head scratcher.

C'mon Harold Martinez in the supplemental round


Phillips, Gammons and Law love the pick.. say he can play C, 2B or OF but he is a pure baseball player and will be on the fast track.. i lke it

and I lIke Ike!

[Towelie]

Wonder if the Yankees would role the dice on Gerrit Cole

Really talented kid (top 10 talent), but they really aren't on great terms with Boras

I'm just hoping Shooter Hunt and Cole keep falling

Either one at 33 would be a steal

[NickyL0885]

I like Ike as well. now, Lets make him our first basemen next yr. I know Mark Texeira is a free agent in the off season but you cant put Ike in the OF. You got Beltran, Church and Martinez there next year and beyond. I see Ike being up in September. He needs to be smart an sign right away so he can get started in the minors, AA probably.

Havens i think they will try an convert to catcher. Pena is way to far away and he was bad last yr. I think we have SS/2B depth in the minors as it is and Castillo is here for 3 more years. Then again, we have Schneider still. hmmm perhaps they trade or buy out Castillo some how.

I just hope they forget about slotting an take th best guy available. Maybe a high school OF bat to replace Church down the line. A few starting pitchers cant hurt, seeing as we gave 3 of them away to Minnesota. Perhaps we land a Mulvey type in round 2, like we did when we drafted Mulvey. Everyone says he can be a number 3, so try again. Remember, some of these kids wont ever play for us. They can be used as trade chips for needs later on.

[Towelie]

Davis won't be up in September, and probably won't even be up next September.

He'll start in Brooklyn and work up from there

And right now we have absolutely no 2B/SS depth in the system. We really have no depth at any position in the minors. Havens is going to be a 2B, since he seems pretty stern about not wanting to catch

[Towelie]

Three Canes in the first round :clap::clap:

Some good names still on the board for 33

Jake Odorizzi, Tim Melville, Zach Collier and Shooter Hunt

And of course, my dream pick, Harold Martinez

[spadanko]

With an impressive performance, Holt could vault himself into position to be a back of the first-round or early supplemental selection. A team such as the Mets with multiple picks in the first 50 could be especially interested in a guy like Holt. Mets scouting director Rudy Terrasas is known for liking pitchers with pure arm strength such as Holt, and with picks at 18, 22 and 33, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the Mets take the Seahawks righthander. This weekend will not be the first time that Terrasas and his staff have seen Holt—as the scouting director, along with multiple other members of his staff, was in attendance to witness Holt pitch eight innings against Old Dominion. Holt struck out 11 and only allowed one earned run in the outing. The Brewers are another team with three selections in the first 35 picks that could be especially interested in Holt.


sounds like power arm reliever

[Kevin]

Sorry Towlie. Maybe he falls later.

[Towelie]

Sorry Towlie. Maybe he falls later.

Well we have 24 picks to go till our 2nd rounder

Hopefully he falls, doubtful though.

Just don't let him go to Atlanta, Philly.

[BoondockSaint]

And I was just about to start saying nice things about Schowendick.

[PD]

And I was just about to start saying nice things about Schowendick.

I was so glad that was a west coast game, so I wouldn't have to watch the ending live.

I usually defend willie, but after 2 walks, it was time to get Show out of there.

oh well, at least Pelf had good outing.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

meh, I hope this is the 1 loss of this series

5-2 is good


4-3 is Ok

anything less should warrant major changes


these are the Giants and the Padres people

[spadanko]

I was so glad that was a west coast game, so I wouldn't have to watch the ending live.

I usually defend willie, but after 2 walks, it was time to get Show out of there.

oh well, at least Pelf had good outing.


he got the walks, but then got a ground ball... IBB, he should have been able to get a ground ball.. if he brought heilman in and he gave it up, poeple would kill willie

[Kevin]

And I was just about to start saying nice things about Schowendick.

Schowenwiess does not walk in the winning run, he hits the batter. HE IS A REAL MAN.

[PD]

he got the walks, but then got a ground ball... IBB, he should have been able to get a ground ball.. if he brought heilman in and he gave it up, poeple would kill willie

agreed, but once you walk 2 unintentionally, you are prone to wildness.
in the end, its all on the players though.

just chalk this up, and as Hippos said, win the other 3

[cougarjake13]

another 2-1 loss

maybe 2-2 ??

[BoondockSaint]

If the Mets lose 2-1 again today I will eat my hat.