New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Bossanova]

Not going to reach 10 wins with this shit every outing

[Bossanova]

Thank you for the error. Nice way to finish up the weekend

[BoondockSaint]

2 out of 3. If we had lost today it would have been a huge letdown after the way Santana pitched. Dropped his ERA under 3 today.

[Kevin]

2 out of 3. If we had lost today it would have been a huge letdown after the way Santana pitched. Dropped his ERA under 3 today.

I wish We had Santana.. sigh...

Erwin even.

[BoondockSaint]

I wish We had Santana.. sigh...

Erwin even.

Carlos even.

[Kevin]

Carlos even.

Hell at this point.

http://www.wwf4ever.de/team/nefercheperur/TitoSantana.JPG Even

[BoondockSaint]

Then it would be mandatory that YES hire Bobby Heenan to do his games.

[Bossanova]

Then it would be mandatory that YES hire Bobby Heenan to do his games.

Is there any more room on the payroll for commentators?

[BoondockSaint]

Is there any more room on the payroll for commentators?

Kay
O'Neil
Cone
Singleton
Murcer
Flarrety

Is there anyone else?

[Bossanova]

Kay
O'Neil
Cone
Singleton
Murcer
Flarrety

Is there anyone else?

Al Leiter

[Kevin]

Al Leiter

Sometimes Justice.

[Bossanova]

Miss Jim Kaat

[BoondockSaint]

Sometimes Justice.

I don't think they brought him back this year.

And when they showed that Katt was doing today's game on TBS I trned over to listen to him but it was blacked out. I always liked Katt and I loved when YES was not showing Zimmer during games and Katt went around telling every one how stupid it was.

[cougarjake13]

I don't think they brought him back this year.

And when they showed that Katt was doing today's game on TBS I trned over to listen to him but it was blacked out. I always liked Katt and I loved when YES was not showing Zimmer during games and Katt went around telling every one how stupid it was.

got to listen to kaat and chip caray on tbs, great guys to listen call a game

[BoondockSaint]

got to listen to kaat and chip caray on tbs, great guys to listen call a game

Chip Cary stinks.

[Kevin]

Chip Cary stinks.

Chip sounds like he was in a major helium factory accident.

[cougarjake13]

yeh he is annoying to listen to and his im not my father attitude

[BoondockSaint]

Stop laughing, Kevin.

[spadanko]

Great friggin weekend... Willie better fucking keep this lineup going

[cougarjake13]

Great friggin weekend... Willie better fucking keep this lineup going

hopefully people can stay healthy

[BoondockSaint]

hopefully people can stay healthy

Dogs and cats, too.

[cougarjake13]

Dogs and cats, too.

and iguanas

[BoondockSaint]

got to listen to kaat and chip caray on tbs, great guys to listen call a game

Chip Cary stinks.

Chip sounds like he was in a major helium factory accident.

yeh he is annoying to listen to and his im not my father attitude


Do you ever stand by anything you say? Every time someone differs with your opinion you concede. It's annoying.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

time to take 2 out of 3 against the fighting Joe Torres

they finally lost a game


hope we get the good Oliver Perez pitching tomorrow

[scottinnj]

Do you ever stand by anything you say? Every time someone differs with your opinion you concede. It's annoying.

Go easy on him. It's not like he's Earl or ESD sucking up to Ronnie throughout the show.

[BoondockSaint]

hope we get the good Oliver Perez pitching tomorrow

If he doesn't want Wagner hitting him with a tire iron in the parking lot, he better.

[cougarjake13]

Do you ever stand by anything you say? Every time someone differs with your opinion you concede. It's annoying.

well i meant just jim in my original statement

i see where i put in an s for guys when i meant guy

sorry for the confusion

[BoondockSaint]

well i meant just jim in my original statement

i see where i put in an s for guys when i meant guy

sorry for the confusion

O.K. Let me fix it.

got to listen to kaat and chip caray on tbs, great guy to listen call a game

Yeah, that make ense.

[cougarjake13]

O.K. Let me fix it.



Yeah, that make ense.

thanks boondockaint

[Devo37]

maybe i missed something, but where is Keith Hernandez??? i haven't heard him in a long while!

[Kevin]

Stop laughing Boony.

[BoondockSaint]

maybe i missed something, but where is Keith Hernandez??? i haven't heard him in a long while!



A few weeks ago he was saying that he had 3 weeks off coming up. I'm guessing he'll be back after the road trip. Or maybe he cashed in his Just For Men stock and now owns Europe.

[BoondockSaint]

Anyone else worried about Perez?

[Bossanova]

Anyone else worried about Perez?

I have lost all trust in him. He is def a guy who once he is down on himself, can not pull out of it

[cougarjake13]

Anyone else worried about Perez?

yes he's either on or way the fuck off and you never know which one you're getting

sometimes even in the same game

[BoondockSaint]

Right now, I'm more confident in Nelson Figueroa than Perez or Pelfry. Oh, St. Pedro, where art thou?

[cougarjake13]

Right now, I'm more confident in Nelson Figueroa than Perez or Pelfry. Oh, St. Pedro, where art thou?

injured sadly

[BoondockSaint]

church!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

church!
testify!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/BrotherDevon.jpg/200px-BrotherDevon.jpg

[Marc with a c]

i've never actually seen a deek work at second like that in my life.

[BoondockSaint]

Aloullelujah!!!!!

[Marc with a c]

wright makes some amazing plays at third. that was an impossible catch

[BoondockSaint]

wright makes some amazing plays at third. that was an impossible catch

His glove is gold, his arm is sasser.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Kent 1st to 3rd on a single to center, c'mon pagan

Kent is White and 40, Jeebus

[Marc with a c]

Kent is White and 40, Jeebus

so is mikey. be nice

[King Hippos Bandaid]

way to go Figueroa, giving up a 2 run single to Joyce Dewitt

[K.C.]

You guys want Derrick Turnbow?

Apparently the Mets are 'discussing' him.

[BoondockSaint]

You guys want Derrick Turnbow?

Apparently the Mets are 'discussing' him.

I bet a lot of teams are. I'd take him for a minor league contract.

[BeerBandit]

You guys want Derrick Turnbow?

Apparently the Mets are 'discussing' him.

Why, is he going to hit? What the fuck is wrong with David Wright? Why is Ryan Church the only one hitting?

[spadanko]

left too many ducks on the pond.... way too many wasted opportunities

[spadanko]

Get away lineup starting off strong.. let's step on their necks today

[King Hippos Bandaid]

5 Runs in 3 Innings off their Ace Penny


not too shabby


lets make it a .500 road trip

[King Hippos Bandaid]

up 7-0 and the base are loaded

we are raping Brad Penny

and i think he likes it

[OzoneParkPaulie]

up 7-0 and the base are loaded

we are raping Brad Penny

and i think he likes it

He doesnt like it.................

.500 on the road is very solid especially since we(Ron would hate me saying that lol) took 2/3 from the D-backs.

[spadanko]

11-0.. 6 runs scored with 2 outs..

[NickyL0885]

I think i have a man crush on Ryan Church. 12-0 Mets now.

[cougarjake13]

I think i have a man crush on Ryan Church. 12-0 Mets now.

im loving this trade more and more every day

[OzoneParkPaulie]

I think i have a man crush on Ryan Church. 12-0 Mets now.

I really didn't know much about him when we got him but he is turning out to be a very solid player.

[cougarjake13]

what the mets need is a nice 5 game win streak

this bad game , good game flip flop is annoying

[BeerBandit]

what the mets need is a nice 5 game win streak

this bad game , good game flip flop is annoying

"Ir"regardless, I'll take this road trip split.

This is a good stretch to make a run, though. 7 games against the Reds and Nats. The bats have to come alive. David, I'm looking at you.

[K.C.]

I actually LOL'd at this exchange from Keith Law's chat on ESPN today:

Nick (Storrs, CT): I like how you absolutely ripped the Mets for making the Milledge trade. Schneider aside, Church has been carrying this team and even if Milledge develops more, the Mets have a right fielder who is helping them win right now with an OPS of .935, is hitting lefties at the same clip as righties, and is still under contract for a couple years. Are you still ripping the deal?

SportsNation Keith Law: (2:57 PM ET ) Uh, yeah, since we're five weeks into the first season since it happened, and Milledge is barely 23 years old. But hey, whatever makes you feel good.

Guess he's not a believer in the all-world power of Ryan Church. :clap:

[spadanko]

1) Keith Law is a fucking moron

2) Game called tonight

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Rain 1

Mets 0

[Kevin]

Rain 1

Mets 0

Fighting Rain 1

Mets 0

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Fighting Rain 1

Mets 0

Life 1

Kevin 0

[BoondockSaint]

Life 1

Kevin 0

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s270/mrmoto_2/oh_snap.gif

[Kevin]

Life 1

Kevin 0

Says the man who peddles cruises for a living, and Lives in Staten Island.

[Bulldogcakes]

Life 1,892,654,446,254

Kevin 0

Fixed that for ya.

[Kevin]

Fixed that for ya.

Says the man who makes shitty bagles for living.

Ben K told me that.

[Kevin]

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[Towelie]

Jeez I can't remember the last time we've had so many games washed this early in a year.

[BoondockSaint]

Let's play two!

[cougarjake13]

santana and pelfrey for the amazins

[BoondockSaint]

Alright, 4-0. Time for Johan to shut it down and save the bullpen for tonight.

[Towelie]

Thats pretty awesome that they are broadcasting from the stands on Thursday

A must watch game for sure.

[cougarjake13]

looks like a split

[BoondockSaint]

This new tag system is great! 2.1 RULES!

[sailor]

dusty baker...hahahaha!

[K.C.]

Didn't this used to be the '2008 New York Mets Thread'???

Or are you guys giving up on this season already?

[cougarjake13]

Didn't this used to be the '2008 New York Mets Thread'???

Or are you guys giving up on this season already?

what makes you say that ???

[Towelie]

what makes you say that ???

I guess he felt the need to troll after the Mets jumped back ahead of the Phillies in the standings.

[hammersavage]

when you lost 2 of 3 to the mighty Giants, that'll happen.

http://www.youthlarge.com/dan/1russo805.jpg

[BeerBandit]

We gonna get this one in today?

[spadanko]

We gonna get this one in today?


i hope it is rained out. or else we'd have to call someone up for a start because of the double dip

and the rain out gets Johan at yankee stadium

[Towelie]

i hope it is rained out. or else we'd have to call someone up for a start because of the double dip

and the rain out gets Johan at yankee stadium

Irregardless of a rainout or not, Santana is pitching against the Yankees.

Adam Bostick is going to get called up to pitch the third game of the series against the Nats, and then will be deactivated for Matt Wise.

Bostick got pulled from his PCL start the other day after only 3 innings

[King Hippos Bandaid]

damn you rain


may flowers maaaaan may flowersssss

[spadanko]

Castillo has strained quad. could be DL'd. Might be teh smart thing to do with the impending roster moves we need to pull.

[spadanko]

Wise, Vargas and tatis brought onto the big team
Pagan to DL, Figgy and Sosa DFA

[hammersavage]

Not that its a huge deal but you don't designate Figueroa for assignment after the way he pitched.

3 1/2 more years of Luis Castillo and his Eight Belles legs!!! thanks OMAR!!!

[oh_kee_pa]

Not that its a huge deal but you don't designate Figueroa for assignment after the way he pitched.

3 1/2 more years of Luis Castillo and his Eight Belles legs!!! thanks OMAR!!!

yes you do... who else are you going to move down?
the mets have no power off the bench, atleast Tatis can hit one over the wall..
you need Matt Wise to come off the dl eventually... and you also need a starter for Weds..
Figgy was fun for a while, but you knew it wasnt going to last

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Fuck Sosa

hope he rots in A Ball


Fernando Tatis, what is this 1998

[BoondockSaint]

Don't forget that tonight at 9 on ESPN2 is the documentary The Zen of Bobby V. It;s supposed to be pretty good.

[BoondockSaint]

Church, yadda yadda yadda...

[Bossanova]

I think I may be starting to come around on the Milledge trade. I just wish Church could ht the lefties.

[NickyL0885]

I think I may be starting to come around on the Milledge trade. I just wish Church could ht the lefties.

hes killing lefties i believe. half his HR are off them.

[Bossanova]

I was being a smart alec sweetie

[NickyL0885]

I was being a smart alec sweetie

ahh. i see what ya did there.

[hammersavage]

Bobby V. might be my biggest man crush ever.

[cougarjake13]

Don't forget that tonight at 9 on ESPN2 is the documentary The Zen of Bobby V. It;s supposed to be pretty good.

watched some of it, not bad

[Bossanova]

Anyne else have cablevision and not getting the HD feed?


I don't seem to have any of my NY sports HD feeds

[Devo37]

It's Al Dukes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Kevin Burkhardt was talking to Boomer & Carton, and he was sitting right in front of them!!!)

[Bossanova]

It's Al Dukes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Kevin Burkhardt was talking to Boomer & Carton, and he was sitting right in front of them!!!)

I love how Keith didn't even adress the mustache praise

[Bossanova]

This is good news. Until his bones begin to disintegrate


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080514&content_id=2700259&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym&partnered=rss_nym

[Towelie]

Why god why is Aaron Heilman CONTINUALLY allowed to be placed into game changing situations?

Fucking Willie, stubborn mother fucker.

[spadanko]

Aaron Heilman should do his best r bud dwyer impression

[Towelie]

The only thing I can think with Heilman is that he hates being here so much, he's either fucking up on purpose or not trying

His inherited runners stats are embarrassingly bad

[spadanko]

The only thing I can think with Heilman is that he hates being here so much, he's either fucking up on purpose or not trying

His inherited runners stats are embarrassingly bad


I have been saying for a while now it seems like he is not happy and doesn't want to be here. Let him go start somewhere else... he needs a change of scenery

[spadanko]

at least Pelfrey's gem went completely to waste

[Bulldogcakes]

The beauty of the Yanks playing the Mets right now is somebody HAS to lose, despite each teams best efforts to throw the game away. Its kind of a "who wants it less" contest.

[Bulldogcakes]

Guess I'll post this here, too. I have 2 extra tix for this sundays game vs the Mets. Box 329, at cost for $60 each. Anyone interested PM me.

BTW-8:00 start

[Ritalin]

I think the Mets should go to California and marry each other.

[cougarjake13]

This is good news. Until his bones begin to disintegrate


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080514&content_id=2700259&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym&partnered=rss_nym

hopefully not until after this season

[docgoblin]

at least Pelfrey's gem went completely to waste

I'm watching the replay now... Ever since Pelfrey got rid of that stupid mouth piece he's pitched well. You gotta feel horrible for these starters. Over the past week-and-a-half they are pitching pretty well for the most part (except for Figueroa coming back to reality). Either the bullpen blows it or their super high powered offense doesn't score. This weekend should be very interesting... Or very dull. After the Yanks they go to Atlanta and Colorado. We should start to learn a great deal about this team over the next week or so. Not talking to reporters and having Wagner blast his fellow teammates every other day isn't helping much either.

IT'S TIME FOR SOME HEADS TO GET SHAVED!!!!

[BeerBandit]

at least Pelfrey's gem went completely to waste

I fucking hate this team.

[Bulldogcakes]

Wagner does his best Paul LoDuca impersonation (http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080516/SPORTS01/805160416&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL)

"The effort is there," Billy Wagner said. "We're just not earning our money, as Hank (Steinbrenner) likes to say.

"You look in here at the talent and the track records of all of our guys. You're going to lose some tough games to some teams you shouldn't. But it shouldn't be as many as we continuously do."

And then Wagner started to get annoyed. Here's the cleaned-up-for-kids version:

"Will somebody tell me why the closer is being interviewed and I didn't even play, and they're over there not getting interviewed?" Wagner said, looking across the clubhouse in the general direction of where the two Carloses' lockers are located. "I got it. They're gone."

Actually, Beltran had at least spoken to the media.

[Towelie]

Wagner does his best Paul LoDuca impersonation (http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080516/SPORTS01/805160416&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL)

With comments like these on almost a daily basis, Billy better hope that ERA stays at or near 0.00 for the rest of the season or he's going to have a lot of pissed off teammates when his usual August/September/October meltdown comes

[hammersavage]

It's time for Willie to go. It's too bad, it's not totally his fault, but we will not even make the playoffs the way things are going. The team is lost, bring in someone new, anyone.

[Jujubees2]

It's time for Willie to go. It's too bad, it's not totally his fault, but we will not even make the playoffs the way things are going. The team is lost, bring in someone new, anyone.

I was at the game yesterday (thought I was going to see the first no-hitter in Mets history but they probably would have lost even if Pelfrey threw the no-no) and was surprised when the crowd booed Willie as he was coming off the field after taking Pelfrey out of the game.

[BeerBandit]

I was at the game yesterday (thought I was going to see the first no-hitter in Mets history but they probably would have lost even if Pelfrey threw the no-no) and was surprised when the crowd booed Willie as he was coming off the field after taking Pelfrey out of the game.

Willie's gotta go. He's had plenty of chances this season to show that he's got what it takes to motivate his players to play for something other than their million dollar contracts, the last of which was when Alou got run over the weekend. He should've come right out and argued with the ump, perhaps about why he tossed him so quickly, but he didn't. He's not the right guy for a team with no vocal leader (you're not a vocal leader Billy). Omar, go find Wally Backman and make him the team leader. Who cares if he's a drunk. The whole 86 team was jacked up and we all know how that ended up. Do it, Omar!

[Ritalin]

It's time for Willie to go. It's too bad, it's not totally his fault, but we will not even make the playoffs the way things are going. The team is lost, bring in someone new, anyone.

You Met fans are so funny. It's not Willie's fault, and while I get the notion that you can't fire the players, you also need to establish that players need to be accountable both now and in the future.

There's no leadership on this team, and I'm looking at you Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran and Jose Reyes. Pedro is a gutsy player but he's done, and Wright and Wagner can only do their thing for so long.

The Mets have no balls right now.

[spadanko]

great story about Shea

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmedia165688023may16,0,7548213.column

Section 1 Rules

[hammersavage]

You Met fans are so funny. It's not Willie's fault, and while I get the notion that you can't fire the players, you also need to establish that players need to be accountable both now and in the future.

There's no leadership on this team, and I'm looking at you Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran and Jose Reyes. Pedro is a gutsy player but he's done, and Wright and Wagner can only do their thing for so long.

The Mets have no balls right now.

I said it wasn't Willie's fault. Read please. But the ship is SINKING! Something needs to be done and you can't fire the players. Carlos Delgado is done, Luis Castillo has 3 years left and can barely run, Jose Reyes looks way over his head, Beltran's personality doesn't fit market...on and on...

The players DO need to be held accountable. THATS THE MANAGERS JOB! To put the players in a position to win and hold them accountable when they don't perform.

He's done NOTHING to do that: defending Castillo for not scoring yesterday, coddling Reyes, playing Delgado everyday, pitching Heilman even when he gets killed. He enables the lazy, oh-well attitude of this team that has festered since game 7 NLCS and is outta control now.

His attitude may work somewhere, but not here, not now, with these players. And we can't afford to wait for it to maybe work itself out.

[K.C.]

The Mets have no talent right now.

Fixed it for ya.

Where that team would be without Santana and Church boggles the mind.

[Towelie]

Fixed it for ya.

Where that team would be without Santana and Church boggles the mind.

And yet the Phillies are only a game up and the Mets have 3 games in hand

You're the worst troll ever. You can come back when (if) Ryan Howard gets back above the Mendoza line.

Lets not forget Maine who has been better then any Phillies starter and David Wright, who while slumping has more RBIs then any Phillie.

And some pretty cool news if tonight gets rained out:

Just received this e-mail from Newsday reader Ryan Mulholland and I have to say I like the idea. Here's what Mr. Mulholland has in mind if tonight's Subway Series opener is rained out:

"Looking at the weather forecast for tonight, it looks like a pretty good chance the Mets and the Yanks won't be hooking up in the Bronx. Now, how will they reschedule this game if that happens? Will they do a day/night doubleheader Saturday or Sunday? Probably not, because I know in the past, they waited to do the split stadium doubleheaders on the 2nd Mets-Yanks series of the year. They've already done that twice in the past, so I've got a proposal for something they haven't done yet...nypd.jpg

"With the exception of this Monday, the only other common off day the Mets and Yankees this season is Thursday, September 11th. Now, what better way to honor those who left us that day seven years ago, than with the Mets and Yankees at Yankee Stadium, in the final season at Yankee Stadium, and the last game there between these 2 teams?

"It actually works out perfect for the Mets, who are home the day before, and home after, so no travel issue there. The Yanks are in LA in day before, but have a 12:35 start, so a 7:05 start at the stadium the next night could be feasible.

"So, with all the talks of how to close down Yankee Stadium (i.e.- Ranger-Islander game, etc...), I think this would be the best way to send it off. Likely, both teams will be fighting for their playoff lives at that point, so it might be cool to see them go at it late in the season for the first time, with the playoffs at stake.

"Alright, thanks for your time. Hopefully someone can mention this to the right person and maybe we can make this happen!!!"

Thanks for the e-mail, Ryan. And to take it one step further, how about having the proceeds from that game donated to Sept. 11 charities? Maybe I'm being a little naive, but It's already been seven years from that awful date and this would be a great way to honor and remember the victims of those attacks. Let's see what happens tonight.

[K.C.]

You're the worst troll ever.


http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/kool_aid_man_waving.jpg

You never change.

And here, I figured you might actually be willing to talk baseball like a normal person. Silly me.

[Towelie]

http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/kool_aid_man_waving.jpg

You never change.

And here, I figured you might actually be willing to talk baseball like a normal person. Silly me.

You come into this thread like the Phillies are running away the division.

Stop fucking trolling with shit like "The Mets have no talent" and maybe we can talk baseball.

I know you guys are the worst fans in the world, but seriously do some research, come back and try again.

[K.C.]

You come into this thread like the Phillies are running away the division.

Stop fucking trolling with shit like "The Mets have no talent" and maybe we can talk baseball.

I know you guys are the worst fans in the world, but seriously do some research, come back and try again.

Dude, can you not differentiate between a playful jab and actually talking about something?

Your mistake is that you take EVERYTHING that I say seriously, like it's 'besmirching the good name of the Metropolitans'

Just relax.

Do I need to state for the record that Mets have talent? Yes, the Mets have talent...there I said it....they have a TON of talent. They're just not playing well.

[docgoblin]

It has come down to a lack of leadership in the clubhouse. There is a great deal of talk that Cliff Floyd was the last leader the club had. LoDuca tried to keep it together last year and he got his head bitten off for speaking his mind. Now Wagner is gonna be hung out to dry as well. No wonder a guy like Wright doesn't want to step up. In a predominantly Latino clubhouse it should be one of the Latin players to take charge, but neither Beltran, Delgado or Alou seem willing to do it. This is where Willie can be criticized. He is losing the team. You can't fault a manager if the heart of his lineup goes into a bad slump, but Willie has to be held accountable for losing his grip on the morale of the club. If this thing spirals way out of control over the next few weeks you may be seeing a change. Like they say, you can't fire the team so you have to fire the coach.

BRING BACK BOBBY V!!!!

[Towelie]

David Wright said the Mets will hold a team meeting this afternoon in response to Billy Wagner’s postgame comments yesterday about player accountability.

Wagner said he apologized to Calrlos Delgado. Wagner said he waved his arm broadly around the clubhouse but was not pointing at Delgado.

Nobody said Wagner was out of line, and both Delgado and Wright said there wasn’t a division in the Mets’ clubhouse.

Any chance they get this game in tonight? I hear the weather in New York is terrible.

[cougarjake13]

that makes too much sense they'll never do it

[spadanko]

game called.. no make up date

my guess it will be one of those split double headers during the next subway series

[Bulldogcakes]

BRING BACK BOBBY V!!!!

I like Bobby V alot, always did and I thought he really got a bad rep towards the end for no good reason. But he's really not a fit for this veteran laden team. He's better getting an extra 5 wins out of a team full of rookies. He drives veteran players nuts.

Plus I heard the Seattle Mariners are looking at bringing him in. That could be a better fit. More young players, they just brought up a few more and have some other guys on the way. Thats a fairlyn young team that he could even win with this year. And he speaks Japanese, which will make Ichiro happy.

[docgoblin]

I like Bobby V alot, always did and I thought he really got a bad rep towards the end for no good reason. But he's really not a fit for this veteran laden team. He's better getting an extra 5 wins out of a team full of rookies. He drives veteran players nuts.

Plus I heard the Seattle Mariners are looking at bringing him in. That could be a better fit. More young players, they just brought up a few more and have some other guys on the way. Thats a fairlyn young team that he could even win with this year. And he speaks Japanese, which will make Ichiro happy.

I could see him going there. I loved his time with the Mets. He got that ragtag group to the series in 2000... And if it weren't for Benitez (and Timo Perez's running) things could have been much more interesting. I'd take him back, goofy masks and all.

I heard rumors that if Willie loses control of this thing they will cut him loose quick. Wilpon does not want to go into a new stadium on a losing season. One of the replacements I heard as a possibility was Mazilli. Minaya should have let Randolph pick his coaches. I hate when the GM's force coaches on a manager. It hardly ever goes well.

[Bulldogcakes]

I could see him going there. I loved his time with the Mets. He got that ragtag group to the series in 2000... And if it weren't for Benitez (and Timo Perez's running) things could have been much more interesting. I'd take him back, goofy masks and all.

I heard rumors that if Willie loses control of this thing they will cut him loose quick. Wilpon does not want to go into a new stadium on a losing season. One of the replacements I heard as a possibility was Mazilli. Minaya should have let Randolph pick his coaches. I hate when the GM's force coaches on a manager. It hardly ever goes well.

Mazilli would be a awful choice. He wasn't well liked or well thought of in his time in Baltimore. Nobody's even mentioned him as a serious candidate for any managerial openings until now. If he distinguished himself in Batimore, teams would have called. Plus if you've ever met him, he's a colossal douchebag. His players were happy to see him go.

About the coaches, thats pretty much standard practice. Up to a certain point. Teams will often pick half the staff and the manager the other half. When Girardi was hired, he chose only his bullpen coach (Mike Harkey) and 3B coach (Bobby Meachem). Cashman appointed the hitting coach (Kevin Long) pitching coach (Dave Eiland) bench coach (Rob Thomson) and 1B coach (Tony Pena).

Teams want to avoid managers who (like Torre) bring in their buddies who don't contribute much in terms of coaching. Mel Stottlemeyer's idea of coaching was to say "arm angle" every sentence. Guidry was even more lost than Mel. I don't know which coaches were Randolf's guys, but from what I understand the one guy who he did bring in was the hitting coach Rick Down, who was fired last year. If he was the only guy Willie brought in, then Willie got screwed on that one.

[BoondockSaint]

[QUOTE=Bulldogcakes;1726308]Mazilli would be a awful choice. He wasn't well liked or well thought of in his time in Baltimore. Nobody's even mentioned him as a serious candidate for any managerial openings until now. If he distinguished himself in Batimore, teams would have called. Plus if you've ever met him, he's a colossal douchebag. His players were happy to see him go.
[\QUOTE]


Um, prove this . And if you have met him, how is he a douchebag. And how do you know his players were happy to see him go?

[Bulldogcakes]

Um, prove this . And if you have met him, how is he a douchebag. And how do you know his players were happy to see him go?

He had lost 16 of 18 (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2005/08/04/mazzilli050804.html), and the general consensus at the time was that the team had quit on him. Plus there were a lot of rumors about other stuff, most relating to him being in over his head.

Don't tell me you were one of those kids with the Mazilli poster on your bedroom wall.

[BoondockSaint]

Plus if you've ever met him, he's a colossal douchebag. His players were happy to see him go.

You wrote this. Prove it.

[Lef-t]

Go Phillies

[docgoblin]

11:05 start today!?? When was this announced? WFAN isn't even prepared to broadcast the game. WTF?

[BoondockSaint]

11:05 start today!?? When was this announced? WFAN isn't even prepared to broadcast the game. WTF?

Huh?

[docgoblin]

Sorry, Russo announced that they moved the game up to 11:05 because there was a potential weather problem this afternoon. I guess he Rick Rolled me. He's actually still saying it. I'm a dope!

[Towelie]

Thank god blackout rules go away next year.

Fox has fucked up Saturday baseball so bad...Its fucking ridiculous I pay for the baseball package and can't get a Mets/Yankees game on Saturday afternoon.

Fucking awful

[BoondockSaint]

I wish Mr. Koo was here for this.

[BoondockSaint]

I'm pretty sure that I could take Santana deep.

[cougarjake13]

I'm pretty sure that I could take Santana deep.

as long as they keep winning

[docgoblin]

I'm pretty sure that I could take Santana deep.

He certainly does give up alot of dingers! At least he got through 7 innings for once.

[Caseyelan]

Thank god blackout rules go away next year.

Fox has fucked up Saturday baseball so bad...Its fucking ridiculous I pay for the baseball package and can't get a Mets/Yankees game on Saturday afternoon.

Fucking awful
Don't you get MLB.TV?

Is it not on there?

[Towelie]

Don't you get MLB.TV?

Is it not on there?

I have the Extra Innings package and the Saturday games that are on before the FOX game are always blacked out

I figured the same rules apply to MLB.tv

[Bossanova]

Are they gonna play this game tonight?

[BoondockSaint]

Are they gonna play this game tonight?

Who do I look like Lloyd Lindsey Young?


HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NEWARK!

[BoondockSaint]

Church!

[Bossanova]

Can WE play the Yanks 12 times a year

[BoondockSaint]

Fucking Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bossanova]

That was at least toe inches fair

[BoondockSaint]

That was at least toe inches fair

Toetally.

[Marc with a c]

enough with the pointing. what a douche

[Bossanova]

I am seriously done with Perez. Fuck this ass hat

[BoondockSaint]

enough with the pointing. what a douche


He wasn't even pointing to the right spot.

[Bossanova]

OOOOOHH!! Top of the order. Big rally

[Marc with a c]

it isn't in the wrong spot cunts!!!

[Bossanova]

i hate the fucks

[BoondockSaint]

it isn't in the wrong spot cunts!!!

Go look at the Yankees thead. Pretty scary.

[BoondockSaint]

CHURCH! again.

[Bossanova]

He is ridiculous

[hammersavage]

Church has been a joy.

There seems to be a new energy with this team the past couple days.

Maybe it was the 'closed door meeting' which if it has an effect will be 2-100 since i've been a Mets fan.

[Kevin]

Church has been a joy.

There seems to be a new energy with this team the past couple days.

Maybe it was the 'closed door meeting' which if it has an effect will be 2-100 since i've been a Mets fan.

Or maybe its just the Yankees sucking ass.

[BoondockSaint]

Or maybe its just the Yankees sucking ass.


Naw, he's been good all year.

[BoondockSaint]

Reyes crushed that fucker.

[Kevin]

Naw, he's been good all year.

Not talking about Church. I was talking about the exuberance the team is showing.

The other team sucking ass is the cause of that more than a closed door meeting.

[spadanko]

Ollie Ollie Ollie

Oy! Oy! Oy!

Great Fucking Game Tonight Fellas!!!

[hammersavage]

Or maybe its just the Yankees sucking ass.

absolutely true, you may be right.

but they had ZERO energy in their last 2 series against other last place teams. just the way wright popped up after he scored or reyes ran the bases, it was like how they should look night to night. lets see if it carries over or if its yet another tease.

[Towelie]

These are the teams the Mets need to beat...Floudering/last place teams

Beating Arizona 2 outta 3 and Philly 4 out of 6 means shit when you lose 3 out of 4 to Washington and 2 outta three to LA

[OzoneParkPaulie]

A mixture of Wagner and Yankee Stadium has made the boys look pretty good so far.

[Towelie]

Pedro Martinez (hamstring) allowed one earned run on five hits in an extended spring training game on Monday.
Most importantly, he didn't feel any pain in an effort that saw him hit 90 on the radar gun. He'll throw a bullpen session with the team in Atlanta on Wednesday, and could return for the series against the Marlins that starts on Monday. Martinez also suggested that he could retire after this season to be with his father, who is suffering from an aggressive form of lymphoma.

Good news.

[spadanko]

Time to get to Tom "7 runs, 1/3 IP" Glavine

[spadanko]

Castilllo!!!!

[Kevin]

Boony, clear your PMs.

Mets suck

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Castillo hit a Home Run


its 55 Degrees in Late May


I see the 4 Horseman on the Horizon

[OzoneParkPaulie]

And gives a special shout out to Mets fans:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArbUZnWb8.9wnhfsJ9ivNrQRvLYF?slug=ap-piazzaretires&prov=ap&type=lgns

They have to put him in as a Met.

[BoondockSaint]

And gives a special shout out to Mets fans:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArbUZnWb8.9wnhfsJ9ivNrQRvLYF?slug=ap-piazzaretires&prov=ap&type=lgns

They have to put him in as a Met.

At least there was no blubbering like that fag Mike Schmidt.

[Bulldogcakes]

And gives a special shout out to Mets fans:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArbUZnWb8.9wnhfsJ9ivNrQRvLYF?slug=ap-piazzaretires&prov=ap&type=lgns

They have to put him in as a Met.

Lets see. Played 8 seasons as a Met, 6 as a Dodger. He had 4 HOF years as a Dodger, 4 as a Met (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=2770). He finally went to a WS as a Met. The player has some say in which hat he wears, but the HOF makes the final decision. In this case he can probably tip the scales as to which team he wants since its pretty close.

It's not a slam dunk, but I'd say it should be Met cap. The 2 extra seasons and the WS trip do it for me. But I wouldn't be shocked if he went in as a Dodger.

[K.C.]

And gives a special shout out to Mets fans:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArbUZnWb8.9wnhfsJ9ivNrQRvLYF?slug=ap-piazzaretires&prov=ap&type=lgns

They have to put him in as a Met.

726 games w/ Dodgers
.330 AVG, 177 HRs, 563 RBI

972 games w/ Mets
.295 AVG, 193 HRs, 655 RBI

If you go down the board with SLG%, OBP%, and so forth, he really did have his best years by far with the Dodgers.

While his years with the Mets were solid, the crux of the argument of putting him in as a Met are really that he played more games with the Mets, and he got to his only World Series there. Statistically, his better season were with the Dodgers, but the Mets probably account for a little more of his bulk production of HRs, RBI, and so forth.

It'll be interesting, though...as long as he doesn't go in as a Padre, I think it'll be tough to argue the decision.

[Bossanova]

726 games w/ Dodgers
.330 AVG, 177 HRs, 563 RBI

972 games w/ Mets
.295 AVG, 193 HRs, 655 RBI

If you go down the board with SLG%, OBP%, and so forth, he really did have his best years by far with the Dodgers.

While his years with the Mets were solid, the crux of the argument of putting him in as a Met are really that he played more games with the Mets, and he got to his only World Series there. Statistically, his better season were with the Dodgers, but the Mets probably account for a little more of his bulk production of HRs, RBI, and so forth.

It'll be interesting, though...as long as he doesn't go in as a Padre, I think it'll be tough to argue the decision.

The HOF voters only care about HR, RBI, AVG. Guys make it for 500 homers, not a .500 obs. He also is mor recognized as a Met which will help the hall out

[Towelie]

He's going in as a Met, its pretty simple.

I hope they retire 31 with him and Johnny Franco opening day next year.

[Bulldogcakes]

Time to get to Tom "7 runs, 1/3 IP" Glavine

Make that 7 IP 1 run.

He's an Atlanta Brave now.

[Marc with a c]

holy fuck church is messed up

[Kevin]

holy fuck church is messed up

What happened?

[Marc with a c]

he took a knee to the head as he was trying to break up two. it looked like he got knocked out, then slammed face first into the ground, and he had some blood coming out of his forehead. he got helped off the field.

[Kevin]

he took a knee to the head as he was trying to break up two. it looked like he got knocked out, then slammed face first into the ground, and he had some blood coming out of his forehead. he got helped off the field.

Wow, that sounds awful. Church is a good player.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

holy fuck church is messed up

that was fucking nuts

an awful end to a awful day

[BoondockSaint]

Nice post by Peter Abraham on his Yankees blog:

Quick story on Mike Piazza:

When I covered the Mets, Piazza was a fun guy to watch take batting practice in spring training. Fresh off the winter and his knees feeling good, he would launch balls to the moon with that sweet right-handed swing.

During the week before the rest of the position players would report, Piazza would get extra time in the cage with the rest of the catchers. He would stand in there for 45 minutes, chatting away with the reporters who covered the team while taking his hacks.

As he talked about politics, music or some book that he read, Piazza would be crushing the ball.

“Dude, there should be a third political party in America …”

Crack!

“There used to be the Whigs, they should come back …”

Crack!

“Do you think Slash is the best heavy metal guitar player? …”

Crack!

This would go on for a while. It was fascinating to watch as he hammered pitches the other way, 450, 500 feet.

Piazza got a lot of grief for his throwing. But he was an excellent receiver and never, ever blew a pop-up. He also knew how to call a game because he was such a good hitter himself.

In Piazza and Jorge Posada, it has been great to cover two of the best-hitting catchers ever. Totally different people who both take pride in the same tough job.

Here’s hoping Mike has an enjoyable retirement.

[Bulldogcakes]

Piazza got a lot of grief for his throwing. But he was an excellent receiver and never, ever blew a pop-up. He also knew how to call a game because he was such a good hitter himself.

I agree completely and always felt that one flaw in his game was grossly over emphasized by many media types. Especially since very few other catchers threw guys out at a high rate. Its not like he was at 15% and the rest of the league was at 50%. The average catcher was around 25%, and weren't half the hitter he was.

He was a truly great player, many greats have a flaw or two. Ted Williams was never considered a great outfielder. And looking back (at both careers) who cares. I hope he ends up in the booth somewhere, I really enjoyed the playoff games he did color on a few years back.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'll post this here, since it involves Pedro and is another nice story

Ramirez gets some great advice (http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080521/SPORTS01/805210418&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL)

Edwar Ramirez was working out this past offseason in Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic, and he regularly saw a Mets pitcher working out there, too. That pitcher decided to say something to the Yankees' reliever one day, one baffling changeup thrower to another.

That pitcher was Pedro Martinez. He had seen Ramirez throw last season.

"That's good when somebody like Pedro sees you and says I want to talk to you," Ramirez said. "He told me, 'You don't have any idea what kind of changeup you have. Don't use it too much because sometimes the hitters see too much of the changeup and it's better for the hitter to hit the ball.' "

Martinez wanted him to throw more fastballs and even worked with him on a cutter. But the three-time Cy Young winner wasn't the only one who wanted Ramirez to throw more fastballs and not rely so much on the change. Pitching coach Dave Eiland gave him the same message and has worked with him on his mechanics. Add up all the advice and there has been a marked difference this season.

The slender 27-year-old righty posted an 8.14 ERA in 21 outings over two Yankees stints last season, although he fanned 31 in 21 innings. This in his second stint with the Yankees so far this season, having been recalled on April 29 from Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Between Triple-A and the big leagues, Ramirez has yet to allow a run in 17 appearances covering 19 innings after throwing an inning and a third in last night's 12-2 loss to the Orioles at the Stadium.

His Yankees numbers include five hits and four walks allowed to go with 11 strikeouts over 10 innings and nine games.

"I've used a little bit of a cutter, my slider is better and I'm throwing more fastballs," said Ramirez, who was released twice in independent ball. "I don't know if you can see it in the game, but I'm trying to keep my ball down. ... I feel good right now. I have Dave with me here, and we work every single day."

Edwar is one of my pet prospects. His change up is just filthy. Nice story, and nice to see Pedro taking the time to teach and pass on what he's learned. I'm sure that when he was young some older pitchers did it for him, and he's keeping the tradition going.

[lleeder]

Right now Willie is pulling a Greaseman.

[cougarjake13]

I'll post this here, since it involves Pedro and is another nice story

Ramirez gets some great advice (http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080521/SPORTS01/805210418&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL)



Edwar is one of my pet prospects. His change up is just filthy. Nice story, and nice to see Pedro taking the time to teach and pass on what he's learned. I'm sure that when he was young some older pitchers did it for him, and he's keeping the tradition going.

and that right there is one of the intangible reasons that dont show up in any boxscore that makes pedro still worthy of the signing

yeh it wasnt a met but maybe some younger kids see that and say hey i wanna be a met

[Bulldogcakes]

and that right there is one of the intangible reasons that dont show up in any boxscore that makes pedro still worthy of the signing

When he's with the team, they play with a swagger. Many of the Met beat reporters say that clubhouse is missing something when he's not there. They say the Mets lack a "clubhouse leader" and Pedro can certainly be that. He has the resume and the respect that comes with it. He's supposed to pitch again soon (next friday?). I think he has the most impact when he's pitching well. Not only because of the games he directly affects but when he's pitching well his confidence can be contagious. We'll see if they turn things around once he's back.

[cougarjake13]

When he's with the team, they play with a swagger. Many of the Met beat reporters say that clubhouse is missing something when he's not there. They say the Mets lack a "clubhouse leader" and Pedro can certainly be that. He has the resume and the respect that comes with it. He's supposed to pitch again soon (next friday?). I think he has the most impact when he's pitching well. Not only because of the games he directly affects but when he's pitching well his confidence can be contagious. We'll see if they turn things around once he's back.

even if not pitch hell let him be like a another dugout coach

[K.C.]

What happened to Alou? Why'd they take him out?

[Devo37]

What happened to Alou? Why'd they take him out?

explosive diarrhea.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

726 games w/ Dodgers
.330 AVG, 177 HRs, 563 RBI

972 games w/ Mets
.295 AVG, 193 HRs, 655 RBI

If you go down the board with SLG%, OBP%, and so forth, he really did have his best years by far with the Dodgers.

While his years with the Mets were solid, the crux of the argument of putting him in as a Met are really that he played more games with the Mets, and he got to his only World Series there. Statistically, his better season were with the Dodgers, but the Mets probably account for a little more of his bulk production of HRs, RBI, and so forth.

It'll be interesting, though...as long as he doesn't go in as a Padre, I think it'll be tough to argue the decision.
Its def gonna be a close one.

Oh yea this team is awesome.

[hammersavage]

RADIO PSYCHIC:: piazza goes into the hall as an Athletic ::RADIO PSYCHIC

[EddieMoscone]

Time to bring in Ron's favorite manager...Larry Bowa.

[cougarjake13]

RADIO PSYCHIC:: piazza goes into the hall as an Athletic ::RADIO PSYCHIC

never happen

he only played there one year

most likely he's going in as a met

[docgoblin]

This team is unbelievable! No matter who makes up the roster they can't beat the Braves. Atlanta out hustled the Mets all week. Mr. Randolph better start looking over his shoulder. Fred Wilpon said he would not accept going into his new stadium on a losing season. Don't worry though... PEDRO'S COMING!!!

[docgoblin]

never happen

he only played there one year

most likely he's going in as a met

The Hall better do the right thing this time. Carter should have gone in as a Met, despite the fact that he played more seasons in Montreal. Piazza should go in wearing a Mets cap.

[BoondockSaint]

never happen

he only played there one year

most likely he's going in as a met

I think he was joking.

[BoondockSaint]

The Hall better do the right thing this time. Carter should have gone in as a Met, despite the fact that he played more seasons in Montreal. Piazza should go in wearing a Mets cap.

I had no problem with Carter going in as an Expo. He had his best years there and will probably be the only Expo ever in there. I think he even said he preferred to go in as an Expo because of that.

[Towelie]

I had no problem with Carter going in as an Expo. He had his best years there and will probably be the only Expo ever in there. I think he even said he preferred to go in as an Expo because of that.

''I'm very torn between both cities, primarily because I played 11 years in Montreal but I played 5 glorious years in New York,'' Carter said last night. ''I can't forget about that, the 1986 championship team.''

Carter would not divulge which team he told the Hall of Fame he wanted to represent, but he told The Journal News of Westchester last week that he considered himself a Met.

''If the Expos are no longer in existence, how is that going to be beneficial to me and my family when we have an opportunity to be part of a family that will be around a long time?'' Carter said last night. ''Everybody knows my feelings. But it wasn't up to me.''

He was pissed at the time, but I'm sure with the dicking the organization has given him the last 3 years he probably doesn't care as much.

[hammersavage]

http://txpage.org/fork.jpg


and of course i was kidding.

[newport king]

we all are resolved to the idea willie will be gone asap as he should be but who will be his replacement??

I'm sure it'll be jerry manuel what with minaya being in charge of who will be hired.

Keith won't want it and really has no experience but knows the game very well.

Mazzilli could be a possibility.

My vote would be Wally Backman. The guy's been managing in the independent leagues since the debacle in Arizona. Every player he's managed has only great things to say about him. He's won everywhere he's managed. And if you remember his style of play, that is exactly how he gets his players to play. But you know the wilpons will be scared off by everything that would come with him.

In one game, Backman, angry with a call, got ejected and deposited 22 bats on the field. When a coach who was out sick for the game heard a radio announcer call Backman's display unprofessional, Backman went to the press box after the game and confronted the announcer. Another ejection earned him an eight-game suspension.

at least he has some passion unlike willie.

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[King Hippos Bandaid]

swept in a 4 game series, Marlin swept the D Backs

Yankees come back an win 2 out of 3

whats next


Way to shoot your Mouth Willie


stupid Yankee, you sir are becoming a Libility

Willie did you play for the Pistons

[spadanko]

Wally has some baggage, but he also has 2 minor league manager of the year awards. he would be my choice also. I don't want Mazz, although he'd be ok. I wish there was some way to get davey back. he is in the front office in washington. and of course bobby V, but he would cost a lot. Unfortunately if it happens, I think manuel will take over for the season.

[cougarjake13]

I think he was joking.

i know

[cougarjake13]

id like a platoon of wally and tim tuefel just like the 80's

[EddieMoscone]

I am convinced now more than ever Bobby Valentne is the greatest manager in Mets History (maybe that's not saying much). They need to offer him a boatload of cash and a 5 year contract and get him back for next season to open the new stadium.

If you need further proof of his skills, take a look at the shit squad he took all the way to the World Series in 2000:

C-Mike Piazza
1B-Todd Zeile
2B-Edgardo Alfonzo
SS-Mike Bordick
3B-Robin Ventura
LF-Benny Agbayani
CF-Jay Payton
RF-Timo Perez

SP-Mike Hampton,Al Leiter, Rick Reed, Glendon Rusch, Bobby Jones
RP-Turk Wendell, Dennis Cook, Rich Rodirguez, Armando Benitez, John Franco

Obviously Piazza was a HOF player. Hampton was an excellent pitcher at this point. Leiter was good more based on guts and guile than his talent. Ventura used to be a star, but at this point he was about a .250 hitter. Ziele was decent, but again around a .265 hitter who did produce enough runs at a power position. The outfield may have been the worst ever to be fielded in a World Series.

[PD]

we all are resolved to the idea willie will be gone asap as he should be but who will be his replacement??

I'm sure it'll be jerry manuel what with minaya being in charge of who will be hired.

Keith won't want it and really has no experience but knows the game very well.

Mazzilli could be a possibility.

My vote would be Wally Backman. The guy's been managing in the independent leagues since the debacle in Arizona. Every player he's managed has only great things to say about him. He's won everywhere he's managed. And if you remember his style of play, that is exactly how he gets his players to play. But you know the wilpons will be scared off by everything that would come with him.



at least he has some passion unlike willie.

I loved Backman as a candidate, even before Howe; I don't see Wilpons choosing him though- they don't like controversy, which may be reason Willie goes (not the lack of emotion everyone harps on).

I am very nervous about this team; on WFAN this morning they mentioned Ollie has a record of 0-2, lifetime ERA in Coors of 28.8 with Rockies hitting .630 against him.

[newport king]

I mean at this point we have to root for losses and more uninspired play. What are we gonna root for a mets sweep in colorado? what then? willie is safe for a little while we get back to new york and we play slightly better or worse than 500?

I think he's gone unless this team goes on an absolute tear. Wilpons are apparently not returning his calls according to mike and mike this morning and on espn2. I just dont want them to fuck up the next mangagerial choice. And even though omar has made some shrewd moves, some have been awful. His top 5 choices are something like :

1. orlando cepeda
2. manny acta
3. tony bernazzard
4. jose oquendo
5. rolando paulino (he's got alot of experience with dominican players)

We need someone who not only has some passion but also KNOWS the game. Because although they are "professionals" i don't get the lack of understanding with the latin players on the team. Maybe i'm generalizing because thats just the majority of whats on the team but they have all the talent in the world and don't know how to play the game. Ive seen at LEAST 6 instances of different players trying to go from 2nd to 3rd on a ball hit to short, with nobody on 1st, including beltran last night. This is something i learned not to do my second year in little league.

If there is a physical error hey it's part of the game but not knowing what to do in a certain situation is ridiculous when you play professional baseball.:wallbash:

[PD]

I mean at this point we have to root for losses and more uninspired play.

This is where I disagree.

Willie isn't the problem, anymore than Bobby V was when he got fired.
If the PLAYERS don't turn it around, Willie will be gone, but its still on the players.

Willie doesn't make Castillo make awful decisions, Willie isn't the one who can't hit with runners in scoring position, Willie isn't the one who is giving up gopher balls, Willie isn't the one who is throwing to the wrong base.

These aren't young players who don't know better- these are veterans that Omar brought in.

[newport king]

about that horrific castillo decision last night when he threw home...am i the only one that felt schneider had a good 2-3 seconds to dive toward the plate to get near texiera?

and your points are well taken PD but tell me what has been the drastic change in this team from 2006 to around june of last year till now? the players havent changed much. in 06 we destroyed the NL. first half of 07 we were back on our way....since then in the last 160 + games we're a 500 team at best.

He's lost them.

And if you remember Bobby V was HATED while he was here. While I don't personally hate him dont forget, we got to the 2000 world series because somebodyelse beat the braves that year.

[Towelie]

Keith Hernandez will never take the job, he wouldnt even take the hitting coach job because he doesn't like traveling 162 games a year (See his 6 week vacation a few weeks ago)

Bobby V isn't coming back, the Mets asked for permission to interview him before they hired Willie, but his Japanese team refused (plus he has a personal services contract with them, and he's bigger then Godzilla over there)

I'm a Wally Backman supporter myself, but his baggage is pretty big

I'm sure Gary Carter would take the job, but the Mets didn't offer him the hitter coach position, I don't see why he would be in the running for manager

I think if Willie goes, so does Manuel and Sandy Alomar...

My guess would be Rudy Jarmillo, the guy Omar wanted all along. Especially if Texas lets him out of his contract without needing compensation.

[chili]

SWEEP

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[K.C.]

The solution to the Mets' problems:

http://graphics.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/04/02/1207114522_2202/539w.jpg


Bowa would choke Reyes out next time he walks off the field smiling after making an error. He did nothing but ride Rollins' ass for four seasons in Philadelphia, and Jimmy's said numerous times it helped make him the player he is.

[PD]

And if you remember Bobby V was HATED while he was here. While I don't personally hate him dont forget, we got to the 2000 world series because somebodyelse beat the braves that year.
there is a lot of revisionism about Bobby V.
there was media talk about not liking him, but he was pretty popular among fans.
as for Willie losing the players, that was exactly what happened to Bobby V. He got a lot out of little, but his ways often wear out.

I think for Willie to be fired during season it will take a lot more of this. It makes little sense to go with Jerry Manual because I don't see him as very different than Willie, but I don't know how much you can change the staff in-season, so maybe on an interim it would be him.

Ken Oberkfell has managed AAA and would be a candidate.

Changing managers in season I think will not help, but I could be wrong.

Unlike some past years, I really have no clue as to what would help this team.

[BoondockSaint]

Francesa said today that he asked Hernandez last week if the Mets offered him the manager's job would he take it and Hernandez said yes. That surprised me. Everything I always heard was that he didn't have interest working as much as you need to to manage.

[Towelie]

Francesa said today that he asked Hernandez last week if the Mets offered him the manager's job would he take it and Hernandez said yes. That surprised me. Everything I always heard was that he didn't have interest working as much as you need to to manage.

You really need to consider the source.

[BoondockSaint]

You really need to consider the source.

I don't think he'd make that up and go on air with it. If he said that he had heard Hernandez would take it, then that's one thing. But to say that he asked Hernandez personally and be lying about it makes no sense. And Russo was there, too.

[Bulldogcakes]

Keith won't want it and really has no experience but knows the game very well.

The assumption always has been the Keith leads a nice comfy life and wouldn't want the job. He barely wants to do SNY broadcasts. But I thought Mike Francesa dropped a mini bombshell around 3:00 today. He said he spoke to Keith last weekend during the Yank-Mets series and asked him if he would be interested. He said "yes".

He would be the perfect hire if it happens. He's smart, tough, was ultra competitive as a player, understands the media side of things and is a legend among Mets fans. If you want to go from a calm guy to a more 'fiery' guy I think he fits in that sense as well. Might need some help on the pitching side, but so did Willie. He could be a terrific manager.

EDIT-Ooops! Should read some more before posting. Boonie scooped me.

[Bulldogcakes]

I don't think he'd make that up and go on air with it. If he said that he had heard Hernandez would take it, then that's one thing. But to say that he asked Hernandez personally and be lying about it makes no sense. And Russo was there, too.

Not only do I highly doubt make that quote up, but I would imagine he would have asked Keith if that was off the record, and got the OK to go ahead with it. Its possible the actual conversation 'in the ballpark' never happened (that part might have been embellished) but I don't doubt that Keith told him he wants the job.

Making that quote up would be stupid, all anyone has to do is ask Keith and it would blow up in his face.

[Bulldogcakes]

Troubling trends for Santana (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/05/23/troubling-trends-for-santana/)

If you’re not an ESPN.com Insider, it’s worth it just for Buster Olney’s daily baseball blog and links package.

That said, he has some interesting stats regarding a Mr. Johan Santana of Flushing, N.Y.

His ratio of strikeouts per nine innings over the last six seasons has been 11.38, 9.61, 10.46, 9.25, 9.44, 9.66. This year: 7.79.

His strikeout-to-walk ratio over the last six seasons: 2.80, 3.60, 4.91, 5.29, 5.21, 4.52. This year: 3.87.

Opponents’ OPS over the last six seasons: .607, .642, .564, .594, .616, .678. This year: .723.

When the Mets were at Shea over the weekend, two people with the team said to me that the organization was worried about Santana’s diminished velocity and Buster’s numbers bear that out. The difference between his fastball and changeup is narrowing.

Now Santana may well make adjustments and continue to pitch effectively. But will he be worth $137 million over six years?

The Mets still gave up squat to get him, but this trend has to disturb many Mets fans. Plus, throw in the fact that his numbers are getting worse in the NL where most pitchers lose half a run off their ERA. Francesa keeps dismissing this, saying that "He's a second half pitcher" But his decline started IN THE SECOND HALF (August) of last year and has continued unabated. He's let up more HRs than anyone in baseball since last August.

Some of this could be adjusting to a new league, that affects some pitchers more than others. And its still May. But these #s are something to keep an eye on.

[BoondockSaint]

The Mets need to win this one for their newest fan, Juliana.

[Kevin]

The Mets need to win this one for their newest fan, Juliana.

Hileman made sure she didn't.

[Bulldogcakes]

Sounds like Willie could be gone on Monday. When he called the Wilpons to apologize and they didn't return his call, they sent a message back that "They'll talk to him on Monday". Omar going out to Colorado to check out the team isn't good either. One of the FAN guys said the clubhouse "was like a morgue" after the loss last night.

On the heels of a 5 game losing streak, and facing the 1st place Marlins at home, that's probably it for Willie.

[BoondockSaint]

Way to stay classy, Gary.

DENVER - Gary Carter, who is managing the independent Orange County (Calif.) Flyers, is again talking his way out of a job - a job that still belongs to Willie Randolph.

Asked about his interest in managing the Mets on "The Mike and Murray Show" on Sirius Satellite Radio, Carter said: "Boy, I'll tell you what. I would love that, guys. When I saw that on ESPN today ... I got on the phone and I called (Mets VP of media relations) Jay Horwitz and I asked Jay, 'Should I try to call Mr. Wilpon?' If there is this going on I just want them to know of my availability. I'm only a phone call away, because my contract allows me to leave the ballclub. I could be in New York tomorrow, if necessary, because if there's anything at the major league level I can leave this job." Carter added: "The comments that David Wright made saying that, you know, there's no spark, there's no fire - if anything I would love to bring that to the table because you know me, guys, I love the game, have a great passion for it and you know my enthusiasm."

Carter had openly campaigned for Art Howe's job as well while Howe was still at the Mets' helm.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Heilman needs to be put on assignment


cut your losses



and Wagner, shut the fuck up, you talk a lot, but did you stop the Bleeding

I think not


I think I'll get my Anthony Young Mutts Fan paper bag out of storage

just in case

[Bulldogcakes]

Way to stay classy, Gary.

DENVER - Gary Carter, who is managing the independent Orange County (Calif.) Flyers, is again talking his way out of a job - a job that still belongs to Willie Randolph.

Asked about his interest in managing the Mets on "The Mike and Murray Show" on Sirius Satellite Radio, Carter said: "Boy, I'll tell you what. I would love that, guys. When I saw that on ESPN today ... I got on the phone and I called (Mets VP of media relations) Jay Horwitz and I asked Jay, 'Should I try to call Mr. Wilpon?' If there is this going on I just want them to know of my availability. I'm only a phone call away, because my contract allows me to leave the ballclub. I could be in New York tomorrow, if necessary, because if there's anything at the major league level I can leave this job." Carter added: "The comments that David Wright made saying that, you know, there's no spark, there's no fire - if anything I would love to bring that to the table because you know me, guys, I love the game, have a great passion for it and you know my enthusiasm."

Carter had openly campaigned for Art Howe's job as well while Howe was still at the Mets' helm.



First, what does that say to the guys he's managing now? "Hey guys, I want you to bust your butts for me, but I'm out of here the first chance I get".

Second, I think the whole planet knows of your availability, Gary. Take the silence as a hint.

Gosh, I hope they choose Keith Hernandez.

[Towelie]

Welcome to the bigs Nick Evans.

[BoondockSaint]

First, what does that say to the guys he's managing now? "Hey guys, I want you to bust your butts for me, but I'm out of here the first chance I get".

Second, I think the whole planet knows of your availability, Gary. Take the silence as a hint.

Gosh, I hope they choose Keith Hernandez.

It reminds me of Girardi's comments last year.

[Bulldogcakes]

It reminds me of Girardi's comments last year.

What comments would those be?

[Bossanova]

If the Mets lose today, does Willie manage tomorrows game?

[Kevin]

If the Mets lose today, does Willie manage tomorrows game?

I think he gets til the AS break. Unless they really have another awful week and get killed by the Yanks.

[Bossanova]

I think he gets til the AS break. Unless they really have another awful week and get killed by the Yanks.

I just hope they replace him someone who isnt in that clubhouse. I want Bowa.

[BoondockSaint]

Hernandez slammed Carter today. He said if you looked up "unconscious" in the dictionary you'd see a picture of Carter.

[Bossanova]

Hernandez slammed Carter today. He said if you looked up "unconscious" in the dictionary you'd see a picture of Carter.

Yeah, heard that. Keith is dreamy

[Kevin]

I just hope they replace him someone who isn't in that clubhouse. I want Bowa.

I heard Backman has cleaned up his act. I think he would be perfect. When you fire a coach, you want the exact Opposite. Like Torre Girardi. Same thing with Backman Willie,

[cougarjake13]

Way to stay classy, Gary.

fuck class

i want the mets to win and i dont care whoever gets it done

[BoondockSaint]

I heard Backman has cleaned up his act. I think he would be perfect. When you fire a coach, you want the exact Opposite. Like Torre Girardi. Same thing with Backman Willie,

They'll never hire Backman. The media would have a ball with all of his off the field stuff.

[cougarjake13]

If the Mets lose today, does Willie manage tomorrows game?

I think he gets til the AS break. Unless they really have another awful week and get killed by the Yanks.

I just hope they replace him someone who isnt in that clubhouse. I want Bowa.


well as bad as they have been they're only 4 games back in the division so unless they go to complete shit as long as they are still in the running he'll be around

[Bossanova]

well as bad as they have been they're only 4 games back in the division so unless they go to complete shit as long as they are still in the running he'll be around

I would maybe go with that if the team, the GM, the owners and the fans didnt hate him

[cougarjake13]

I would maybe go with that if the team, the GM, the owners and the fans didnt hate him

yeh but its gonna be tough to sell firing a mgr who's only 4 games back