New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Not only is it going to be fun watch Santana pitch this year but it's fun watching him hit, too.

[BoondockSaint]

The good about today's game was Santana not having his best stuff but still going 7 innings and giving up 1 run. The bad is that the offense wasted that performance.

[Kevin]

TEIXEIRA!!!

[Kevin]

The good about today's game was Santana not having his best stuff but still going 7 innings and giving up 1 run. The bad is that the offense wasted that performance.

That is the main Difference between AL and NL.. AL he would have not gotten away with it.

[BoondockSaint]

That is the main Difference between AL and NL.. AL he would have not gotten away with it.


What did he get away with.

[Kevin]

What did he get away with.

Eh he was in a few jams where a better AL linup would have gotten to him more. But so so stuff for Johan is great for most

[cougarjake13]

what i didnt know about johan santana



July 2, 1995: Signed by the Houston Astros as an amateur free agent.

December 13, 1999: Drafted by the Florida Marlins from the Houston Astros in the 1999 rule 5 draft.

December 13, 1999: Traded by the Florida Marlins with cash to the Minnesota Twins for Jared Camp (minors).

[Kevin]

what i didnt know about johan santana



July 2, 1995: Signed by the Houston Astros as an amateur free agent.

December 13, 1999: Drafted by the Florida Marlins from the Houston Astros in the 1999 rule 5 draft.

December 13, 1999: Traded by the Florida Marlins with cash to the Minnesota Twins for Jared Camp (minors).

And then Jared went on to Subway fame when he lost 300lbs eating tasty subway sammiches!!

[spadanko]

what i didnt know about johan santana



July 2, 1995: Signed by the Houston Astros as an amateur free agent.

December 13, 1999: Drafted by the Florida Marlins from the Houston Astros in the 1999 rule 5 draft.

December 13, 1999: Traded by the Florida Marlins with cash to the Minnesota Twins for Jared Camp (minors).


yeah the Marlins actually drafted him for the Twins in the rule V draft... there was something else involved i think, but i can't remember

[Friday]

*sigh*

[cougarjake13]

*sigh*

wish i could cheer you up

[BeerBandit]

Ok Ollie, let's get this team back on track today. Reyes, jumpstart this offense. Where's the team that scored 13 against the Marlins? Let's beat up on Jamie Moyer!

[EddieMoscone]

On the way to Shea in a few minutes..."Have Fun" to everyone who'll be there.

[K.C.]

Ok Ollie, let's get this team back on track today. Reyes, jumpstart this offense. Where's the team that scored 13 against the Marlins? Let's beat up on Jamie Moyer!

Why do you endorse hitting an old man?? Typical New York thuggery...

[TheMojoPin]

It's gonna happen... (http://www.rickrollthemets.com/)

Keep on showing your support!

[BeerBandit]

Why do you endorse hitting an old man?? Typical New York thuggery...
It doesn't count in sports. Take a look at Hockey.

[BoondockSaint]

Good to see the bullpen pick up right where they left off.

[EddieMoscone]

The Mets lost and I got sunburn on my face in 50 degree weather.

Best. Opening. Day. Ever.

[Gmann]

Pelfrey is pitching tomorrow night, so you know thats an automatic loss right there.


Another glorious season of NY Met baseball begins!!!!

[cougarjake13]

Pelfrey is pitching tomorrow night, so you know thats an automatic loss right there.


Another glorious season of NY Met baseball begins!!!!

i wont say its automatic


today was depressing though

[scottinnj]

"Beat the Mets!"
"Come out to Shea and Beat the Mets!"

[Kevin]

Willie is Black Torre.

[TheMojoPin]

HAW-HAW!!!!

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Open voting FTW!

[Gmann]

ooooh!!!

Rick Astley!!

[Towelie]

It was a fun day, except for the whole loss thing though

And Rick Roll won't last, i guarantee its gone by the next home stand

[TheMojoPin]

It was a fun day, except for the whole loss thing though

And Rick Roll won't last, i guarantee its gone by the next home stand

Too late...Shea has already been Rickrolled.

[Towelie]

Too late...Shea has already been Rickrolled.

100 Years




and counting...

[TheMojoPin]

100 Years




and counting...

You can't undo the Rickrolling. Just Rickroll with it.

[Bossanova]

You can't undo the Rickrolling. Just Rickroll with it.

Why do you have to come in with this vicious posting? You are just being hurtful now

[Friday]

i am kind of happy to have rehearsal tonight.
the games have made me sad of late.

:glurps:

[BeerBandit]

i am kind of happy to have rehearsal tonight.
the games have made me sad of late.

:glurps:

Yeah, but you at least have to have that pre-first start enthusiasm for Pelfrey. At least until he starts walking the ballpark. ugh.

[spadanko]

Just go get another pitcher

Orlando Hernandez will be in a boot for the next two weeks because of a tendon strain in his right foot.

That'll back him up at least a month. Mike Pelfrey is locked into a spot for a while now, and the Mets should reconsider bringing in Claudio Vargas. Jeff Weaver and David Wells are other free agent options still out there. As things stand now, Nelson Figueroa is the fifth starter.

[BoondockSaint]

Just go get another pitcher

Orlando Hernandez will be in a boot for the next two weeks because of a tendon strain in his right foot.

That'll back him up at least a month. Mike Pelfrey is locked into a spot for a while now, and the Mets should reconsider bringing in Claudio Vargas. Jeff Weaver and David Wells are other free agent options still out there. As things stand now, Nelson Figueroa is the fifth starter.


I'd rather bring up Jon Niese first to see what he's got.

[BlackKen]

Please, no David Wells. I wouldn't want him back in the league

[epo]

Just go get another pitcher

Orlando Hernandez will be in a boot for the next two weeks because of a tendon strain in his right foot.

That'll back him up at least a month. Mike Pelfrey is locked into a spot for a while now, and the Mets should reconsider bringing in Claudio Vargas. Jeff Weaver and David Wells are other free agent options still out there. As things stand now, Nelson Figueroa is the fifth starter.

I've been hearing that the Mets have been looking at Vargas. Being a Brewer fan I can tell you a little about Vargas.

1. He has a good arm, however he is a bit erratic.
2. He allows a lot of baserunners. Seriously, it seems as if he is working out of a jam every other inning.
3. Because of that erratic nature & all of those baserunners he doesn't go very deep into games. He is a serious bullpen-killer.

If the Mets need a guy for a month or so, you should consider Vargas. However anything more than a stopgap and Vargas will drive you literally insane.

Note: I blame Vargas for killing our bullpen last season and costing us the division.

[Friday]

I've been hearing that the Mets have been looking at Vargas. Being a Brewer fan I can tell you a little about Vargas.

1. He has a good arm, however he is a bit erratic.
2. He allows a lot of baserunners. Seriously, it seems as if he is working out of a jam every other inning.
3. Because of that erratic nature & all of those baserunners he doesn't go very deep into games. He is a serious bullpen-killer.

If the Mets need a guy for a month or so, you should consider Vargas. However anything more than a stopgap and Vargas will drive you literally insane.

Note: I blame Vargas for killing our bullpen last season and costing us the division.

another Heart Attack Special.... just what our bullpen needs.

:annoyed:

[K.C.]

Please, no David Wells. I wouldn't want him back in the league

At least you'd be getting a guy almost as old as Jamie Moyer.

Almost.

[Bossanova]

At least you'd be getting a guy almost as old as Jamie Moyer.

Almost.

...............

Is that possible?

[BlackKen]

At least you'd be getting a guy almost as old as Jamie Moyer.

Almost.

not me bro. Im a Stros fan, just hate the man

[scottinnj]

Interesting fact I found out today.

Moyers is the only active ballplayer to be alive for Shea Stadium's first home opener.

And by interesting fact I mean typical Phillies pitching staff.

[BoondockSaint]

Interesting fact I found out today.

Moyers is the only active ballplayer to be alive for Shea Stadium's first home opener.

And by interesting fact I mean typical Phillies pitching staff.


They were talking aout that during the game yesterday. Once Randy Johnson comes off the DL that will make it two.

[BoondockSaint]

We need more innings like this.

[cougarjake13]

We need more innings like this.

we can only hope

[BoondockSaint]

I hated the defense that Andruw Jones played and he finally leaves the NL East and now this Victorino seems like he's going to annoy me.

[K.C.]

Only six outs away...can the Mets finally do it?

[Chip196]

He really flew to that ball ... he even slowed down at the end because he would have over-run it ... he really is going to annoy us.

[BoondockSaint]

Pelfrey is pitching tomorrow night, so you know thats an automatic loss right there.


Another glorious season of NY Met baseball begins!!!!

FACE!

[spadanko]

nice win tonight fellas

[Towelie]

Vargas will probably sign tomorrow

Good win tonight, nice to finally beat the Phillies

This is exactly the start we needed Delgado to get off to, hopefully he keeps it up

[King Hippos Bandaid]

gr8 win

now it is time to win the series

[K.C.]

now it is time to win the series

Well, I'm feeling good now...nice jinx, jinxy.

http://www.bradyworld.com/sketch/oliver.jpg

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Well, I'm feeling good now...nice jinx, jinxy.

http://www.bradyworld.com/sketch/oliver.jpg

so 2007

My Favorite Football team won the Super Bowl

The Cesspool of Phailure are going down

[Bossanova]

so 2007

My Favorite Football team won the Super Bowl

The Cesspool of Phailure are going down

Alright 1 out of 50 lets not get carried away.

And yes I know the Devils sucked tonight

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Alright 1 out of 50 lets not get carried away.

And yes I know the Devils sucked tonight

I know of no Rangers vs Devils

[Gmann]

How bout that Mike Pelfrey ??

Whoo hoooooo!!!!!

[BeerBandit]

How bout that Mike Pelfrey ??

Whoo hoooooo!!!!!

Yeah, the offense still sucked, but I gotta say Pelfrey pitched pretty well.

[spadanko]

Mets signed RHP Claudio Vargas to a minor league contract.

Vargas will start off in extended spring training before going to Triple-A New Orleans. He pitched well all spring, so he should be an option for the Mets in a couple of weeks. Once he's ready, he'll likely replace Nelson Figueroa in the rotation.

[Towelie]

Vargas' spring numbers:

3-0
2.40 ERA
4 GS
15 IP
11 H
4 ER
8 K
3 BB
2 HR

[Kevin]

I know of no Rangers vs Devils

Good man.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

fucking Home Run Heilman

he sucks

[Chip196]

Does Beltran alway strike out badly when it's crunch time? Fly out to the warning track or something! :furious:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Well, I'm feeling good now...nice jinx, jinxy.

http://www.bradyworld.com/sketch/oliver.jpg


2008 is gonna be Jinx Free

Face!!!!


Mets Win Mets Win!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chip196]

I am really happy we took this series.

[Towelie]

Angel Pagan is the man.

That was a must win.

[Chip196]

I love Jose Reyes interviews.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Time to win the next series against the Fighting Epos...

[K.C.]

2008 is gonna be Jinx Free

Face!!!!


Mets Win Mets Win!!!!!!!!!!!!


So now you're 2 for 51.

Congrats, Hippo...I'd still like to see a damn replay to see if Reyes actuallly got in before the tag.

[spadanko]

thank god this game is finally over... Heilman should be shot... and i think reyes was out, but i'll take it.. makes up for that BS interference call on Anderson last year :smoke:

[Kris10]

Angel Pagan is the man.

That was a must win.

That was a cheap win

[Kevin]

That was a cheap win

Cheap or not, win is a win. There is no cheap win column.

[K.C.]

Cheap or not, win is a win. There is no cheap win column.

Absolutely true.

But Reyes was out. You can understand our frustration, here.

[Kris10]

Cheap or not, win is a win. There is no cheap win column.

you probably cheat at monopoly too

[Kris10]

Absolutely true.

But Reyes was out. You can understand our frustration, here.

K.C. He's a Mets fan, seriously.... I expect the stupid response from "Kevin" a cheap win is a win. Just like a plastic vagina is a vagina. As long as you get off it doesn't matter.

[K.C.]

K.C. He's a Mets fan, seriously.... I expect the stupid response from "Kevin" a cheap win is a win. Just like a plastic vagina is a vagina. As long as you get off it doesn't matter.

I though Kevin was a Yankees fan.

[Towelie]

Cheap or not, win is a win. There is no cheap win column.

This.

You guys certainly didn't mind that "cheap win" on Marlon Anderson's "interference :wacko: " last year that basically handed you the division

Reyes was safe at the plate, simple as that.

[Kris10]

I though Kevin was a Yankees fan.

Whatever.... its still a NY team

[K.C.]

You guys certainly didn't mind that "cheap win" on Marlon Anderson's "interference :wacko: " last year that basically handed you the division


THAT's what you're blaming the Mets losing the division last season on now??

[Towelie]

THAT's what you're blaming the Mets losing the division last season on now??

No, but if you want to claim a "cheap win" that game could be the definition of "cheap win"

Oh well, the Phillies sure won a ton of playoff games last year

Way to capitalize on the opportunity!

[K.C.]

No, but if you want to claim a "cheap win" that game could be the definition of "cheap win"

Oh well, the Phillies sure won a ton of playoff games last year

Way to capitalize on the opportunity!

Well, I'm not claiming it's a cheap win...this stuff happens in baseball all the time.

I'm just saying he was out.

[Kris10]

I claimed it was a cheap win and it was.. he was out.

[Towelie]

I claimed it was a cheap win and it was.. he was out.

I don't know how its so hard to see Reyes got his hand on the plate before the tag

Oh well, you can call it whatever you want. We won, you lost.

[NickyL0885]

Heilman better get his act together. Maine deserved that win. great outing. But the Pen did good work otherwise. Shoenwiess needs to pitch like tonight. Thats how you dont get booed. suck it phillies fans. Reyes was safe. He said so. :tongue:

[Friday]

Time to win the next series against the Fighting Epos...

the Epos are going DOWN, man!












i hope :unsure:

[BeerBandit]

I love Jose Reyes interviews.
I mean, you're right, I mean interviews you know with Jose you know are so informative. I mean you know he gives such you know insight you know. I mean he's great you know.

[BoondockSaint]

Is Aaron Heilman trying to be the new Doug Sisk?

[BeerBandit]

Is Aaron Heilman trying to be the new Doug Sisk?

He's trying to be the next Mr. Escobar.





That's the name of my gardener. :huh:

[spadanko]

Is Aaron Heilman trying to be the new Doug Sisk?

Certainly is starting to look that way

[Furtherman]

First time at Shea last night... not one heckle for my Phillies hat. But wow, and I thought the Vet was a dump. Your new stadium looks really nice though.

Booooo 12th inning. I missed it anyway - had to leave mid 9th to catch the train.

No lines at the Brooklyn Lager stand.... thank you.

[Kevin]

Absolutely true.

But Reyes was out. You can understand our frustration, here.

Absaloutly, but what are you going to do.



I though Kevin was a Yankees fan.

Yes i am.

This.

You guys certainly didn't mind that "cheap win" on Marlon Anderson's "interference :wacko: " last year that basically handed you the division

Reyes was safe at the plate, simple as that.

Why are you acting like i was going against you Met fans, I was stating that no matter that its a win. And please, that one game didn't not break your season, you guys had plenty of chances to secure that division.

Whatever.... its still a NY team

Noooooooooooooooo, you do not understand because you only have 1 team in your city. I would like nothing better than to see the Mets lose. Well the Redsox losing, but thats it.But a win, cheap or not is a win in the standings. Your plastic vagina argument makes no sense because it is fake. That win was real and it shows up in the standings. Its a long season and it usually balances it self out. I am sure the Mets are going to get screwed on a play or two as the season goes on.

[Chip196]

I mean, you're right, I mean interviews you know with Jose you know are so informative. I mean you know he gives such you know insight you know. I mean he's great you know.

Reyes to English Dictionary

Rodger Clemens = Ra Ra Remmons

Casey and I almost pissed ourselves we loved it so much.

[Towelie]

Shoenwiess needs to pitch like tonight. Thats how you dont get booed.

That whats happens when you actually use the bullpen correctly and let them pitch to their strengths.

Jorge Sosa threw one pitch and got a win, ha!

[docgoblin]

Nice win tonight! Great job by Figueroa. The bullpen finally held one... including Heilman!.. Unfortunately Reyes has become one of the walking wounded. Hopefully it's not too serious!

[spadanko]

Nice win tonight! Great job by Figueroa. The bullpen finally held one... including Heilman!.. Unfortunately Reyes has become one of the walking wounded. Hopefully it's not too serious!


tight hammy.. hopefully not too bad.. weather could have played a factor.. maybe a wash out tomorrow would be good. get him and the pen some rest

[Friday]

and the fighting Epo's go down! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Official statement from epo: "This Stinks on Ice!"

[dino_electropolis]

mets baseball, baby.....


hope reyes aint hurt too bad.

just got tix for last game at shea.....very excited.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Mets 1

Fighting Epos 0

[BoondockSaint]

just got tix for last game at shea.....very excited.

World Series tickets are on sale already?

[cougarjake13]

and the fighting Epo's go down! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Official statement from epo: "This Stinks on Ice!"

when did milwaukee get a hockey team ???

[BeerBandit]

mets baseball, baby.....


hope reyes aint hurt too bad.

just got tix for last game at shea.....very excited.

I'll see you there budday!

[BoondockSaint]

Is Wright wearing his Gold Glove?

[Friday]

arrgh

Mets 1
Fighting Epos 1

:annoyed:

[tbagnu]

awwww! the mighty santana took one on the chin today!!..a load that is!!:clap:

[Kevin]

Mets 1

Fighting Epos 1

fixed!

[Towelie]

awwww! the mighty santana took one on the chin today!!..a load that is!!:clap:

Thats ok, he'll get to dominate the Phillies next time out.

I'll be there, sitting in LF in that shitty city.

[cougarjake13]

cant win em all

[tbagnu]

if you fans would like to see the second coming of "lefty" pitch, please tune into the phils/cubbies game and check out who is pitching for my phightins!!

[K.C.]

Thats ok, he'll get to dominate the Phillies next time out.

I'll be there, sitting in LF in that shitty city.

I'll make sure to spread the word so a barrage of empty bottles land in that direction.

...on second though, pretty much anywhere in that stadium, there's a barrage of bottles raining down.

I do find it funny that Mets fans are puffing their chests out so much already. You'd think there'd be just a LITTLE humility after last season.

[BoondockSaint]

if you fans would like to see the second coming of "lefty" pitch, please tune into the phils/cubbies game and check out who is pitching for my phightins!!

You mean Cole Hamels who is throwing a no hitter through 3?

[cougarjake13]

You mean Cole Hamels who is throwing a no hitter through 3?

sssssssssshhhhhh wait... you'lll ruin it :devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2:

[spadanko]

I'll make sure to spread the word so a barrage of empty bottles land in that direction.

...on second though, pretty much anywhere in that stadium, there's a barrage of bottles raining down.

I do find it funny that Mets fans are puffing their chests out so much already. You'd think there'd be just a LITTLE humility after last season.


who is puffing their chest out? you listen to talk radio? every met fan is ready to jump off a bridge after a loss..

me personally feel it is too early. Sheets was better then johan today. plain and simple

[K.C.]

who is puffing their chest out? you listen to talk radio? every met fan is ready to jump off a bridge after a loss..


They're ready to jump off a bridge after every loss and ready to buy their World Series tickets after every win.

The Mets have a good team this year, just like they had a good team last year (for most of it). But I don't particularly see them as being head and shoulders above either the Phils or Braves in terms of talent.

I think if all things are equal, and everyone is healthy, you give a very slight edge to the Mets. But when has this team shown an ability to keep guys healthy?

The impression I get from most Met fans I encounter is that they believe the Mets are clearly the best team in the divsion by far, and if they lose they're either beating themselves, or Willie Randolph is costing them games.

Never does it seem to enter their mind that the other teams in the division are pretty good, too.

I'm completely at a loss as to where that confidence comes from in terms of this team.

...just my experience...I'm not going to claim it's universal.

[BoondockSaint]

Never does it seem to enter their mind that the other teams in the division are pretty good, too.




Oh, it's there but why admit it? There's no fun in that.

[Kevin]

Oh, it's there but why admit it? There's no fun in that.

Maybe Willie might but Bobby V wouldn't, he is a real man.

[BoondockSaint]

Maybe Willie might but Bobby V wouldn't, he is a real man.

You got that right! Real men wear disguises! damn, miss Bobbysan.

[K.C.]

Maybe Willie might but Bobby V wouldn't, he is a real man.

I lost all respect for Bobby V when he caved into the demands of the owners of his Japanese team and issued a forced public apology for accusing one of the other teams of cheating.

Weak move. He should have been defiant to the end.

[Kevin]

I lost all respect for Bobby V when he caved into the demands of the owners of his Japanese team and issued a forced public apology for accusing one of the other teams of cheating.

Weak move. He should have been defiant to the end.

He does everything that needs to be done to keep his job and feed his family. He is a REAL man.

[cougarjake13]

loved bobby v

wish he was still here

[K.C.]

He does everything that needs to be done to keep his job and feed his family. He is a REAL man.

A Real Man's Man?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/w/williamregal/04.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

I think Bobby V. is a very good manager for about 5 years. After that he tends to wear out his welcome. It was time for him to go with the Mets but not for Art Howe.

[BoondockSaint]

A Real Man's Man?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/w/williamregal/04.jpg


:lol:

[Kevin]

A Real Man's Man?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/w/williamregal/04.jpg

http://www.mysticgames.com/famouspeople/pictures/BobbyValentine.jpg THIS is a real man.

[BoondockSaint]

The resemblance is uncanny.

[cougarjake13]

I think Bobby V. is a very good manager for about 5 years. After that he tends to wear out his welcome. It was time for him to go with the Mets but not for Art Howe.

fuck that art howe was shit, he had good teams in oakland that made him look good but they still won 100 games after he left

[BoondockSaint]

It was time for him to go with the Mets but not for Art Howe.
.

fuck that art howe was shit, he had good teams in oakland that made him look good but they still won 100 games after he left


Well, you got me there.

[Kevin]

Well, you got me there.

It takes a real man to admit he is wrong.

[Towelie]

I'm completely at a loss as to where that confidence comes from in terms of this team.

...just my experience...I'm not going to claim it's universal.


Because the Phillies are counting on Adam Eaton, Jamie Moyer, Kris Benson, Brett Myers and Kyle Kendrick to pitch them through the division.

The rotation and bullpen is a joke.

Cole Hamels and pray for rain.

Baseball comes down to run differential in the end

Right now, the Phillies run differential is terrible.

The Mets on the other hand, have a fantastic run differential.

[tbagnu]

Because the Phillies are counting on Adam Eaton, Jamie Moyer, Kris Benson, Brett Myers and Kyle Kendrick to pitch them through the division.

The rotation and bullpen is a joke.

Cole Hamels and pray for rain.

Baseball comes down to run differential in the end

Right now, the Phillies run differential is terrible.

The Mets on the other hand, have a fantastic run differential.

other than santana, just who do the mets have???

[spadanko]

other than santana, just who do the mets have???

maine and perez won 15 games last season

[K.C.]

maine and perez won 15 games last season

And Moyer won 14, and Kendrick won 10, and Eaton won 10 and was the worst pitcher in baseball, and they all had horrible splits, and the Phillies still won the division last season.

The Phillies still have the best offense in the division and the NL, by a sizeable margin. And contrary to Towelie's assertion that the Phillies bullpen is 'a joke,' I'd say it's pretty on par with what the Mets are throwing these days.

But it's besides the point. The Mets have no depth this season. That's the difference between this year and last (which, again they didn't win the division).

There is no Carlos Gomez or Lastings Milledge waiting in the wings. Even Endy Chavez isn't the guy that made the catch in the '06 NLCS anymore.

There's nothing left in terms of pitching that can step up from the minors this year in that system, which is why they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel with the Vargas signing last week.


The Mets are a high-wire act...they avoid injury, they'll be a tough, tough team this season. But when the inevitable happens, as has already started with Pedro, Duque, and Alou, they have no depth and no resources left in the system to acquire depth.


Good luck, guys...I'm looking forward to another great rivalry this season...and neither of our teams should sleep on the Braves.

[BoondockSaint]

And Moyer won 14, and Kendrick won 10, and Eaton won 10 and was the worst pitcher in baseball, and they all had horrible splits, and the Phillies still won the division last season.

The Phillies still have the best offense in the division and the NL, by a sizeable margin. And contrary to Towelie's assertion that the Phillies bullpen is 'a joke,' I'd say it's pretty on par with what the Mets are throwing these days.

But it's besides the point. The Mets have no depth this season. That's the difference between this year and last (which, again they didn't win the division).

There is no Carlos Gomez or Lastings Milledge waiting in the wings. Even Endy Chavez isn't the guy that made the catch in the '06 NLCS anymore.

There's nothing left in terms of pitching that can step up from the minors this year in that system, which is why they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel with the Vargas signing last week.


The Mets are a high-wire act...they avoid injury, they'll be a tough, tough team this season. But when the inevitable happens, as has already started with Pedro, Duque, and Alou, they have no depth and no resources left in the system to acquire depth.


Good luck, guys...I'm looking forward to another great rivalry this season...and neither of our teams should sleep on the Braves.

If the Braves win this division then the Mets and Phils have had a mid-air collision.

[K.C.]

If the Braves win this division then the Mets and Phils have had a mid-air collision.

You don't think they're in the mix?

I like their lineup a lot with Escobar, Chipper, Tex, Francoeur, and McCann.

And Smoltz, Hudson, and Jurrjens looks like it could be a solid top three. Glavine, in a pitcher's park is still an effective back of the rotation pitcher.

Biggest question there is the bullpen, but I think they're in it.

[cogsdoc]

Even Endy Chavez isn't the guy that made the catch in the '06 NLCS anymore.

Just wondering is this based on anything? Or just pure speculation.

I also think you are forgetting that the Mets are waiting for Alou to return, and people are already scratching their heads about whether you can bench Pagan at that point. That is definite indication that the outfield depth is better than what they had with Milledge and Gomez.

I think your better argument is about the pitching being top heavy. But name me a rotation that could sustain an injury to one of the top three starters and not be affected. But you have to be honest, the Mets pitching is certainly superior to Philly's, and if we are to believe the old adage, pitching wins.

It's going to be a fun year for sure, and I don't think you can count out any of the three primary powerhouses in the NL East.

[K.C.]

Just wondering is this based on anything? Or just pure speculation.

I also think you are forgetting that the Mets are waiting for Alou to return, and people are already scratching their heads about whether you can bench Pagan at that point. That is definite indication that the outfield depth is better than what they had with Milledge and Gomez.

I think your better argument is about the pitching being top heavy. But name me a rotation that could sustain an injury to one of the top three starters and not be affected. But you have to be honest, the Mets pitching is certainly superior to Philly's, and if we are to believe the old adage, pitching wins.

It's going to be a fun year for sure, and I don't think you can count out any of the three primary powerhouses in the NL East.

I guess it would tilt more towards speculation, but why would they go out and get Pagan if they had confidence in Endy? And I understand Pagan is hot, but you'd think Endy would have gotten a start somewhere with Alou out.


The Mets absolutely have better pitching if their rotation is Santana-Martinez-Maine-Perez-Hernandez.

The problem is that 2/5ths of that rotation is out, and who knows how they'll come back.

As far as callups go, the Braves are sitting on Jo-Jo Reyes...the Phillies are sitting on Carlos Carrasco. Both could make an impact before the end of this year. The Mets don't have a guy like that this season, unless you still throw Pelfrey in that category.

[K.C.]

Wow, Ollie imploded today.

[Towelie]

And Moyer won 14, and Kendrick won 10, and Eaton won 10 and was the worst pitcher in baseball, and they all had horrible splits, and the Phillies still won the division last season.

The Phillies still have the best offense in the division and the NL, by a sizeable margin. And contrary to Towelie's assertion that the Phillies bullpen is 'a joke,' I'd say it's pretty on par with what the Mets are throwing these days.

But it's besides the point. The Mets have no depth this season. That's the difference between this year and last (which, again they didn't win the division).

There is no Carlos Gomez or Lastings Milledge waiting in the wings. Even Endy Chavez isn't the guy that made the catch in the '06 NLCS anymore.

There's nothing left in terms of pitching that can step up from the minors this year in that system, which is why they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel with the Vargas signing last week.


The Mets are a high-wire act...they avoid injury, they'll be a tough, tough team this season. But when the inevitable happens, as has already started with Pedro, Duque, and Alou, they have no depth and no resources left in the system to acquire depth.


Sigh. So much stupidity, where to start?

Firstly, Philly didn't win the division, stop that. We lost it. You guys were the lucky beneficiaries of a horrible collapse.

To think that Phillies "sizeably" offense is better then Arizona's is hilarious. Put the Phillies in a real ballpark and those numbers would deteriorate so quickly (Look at Jimmy Rollins OPS+ to see how much that bandbox affects hitters)

To compare our bullpen to yours is just silly. Especially with Duaner Sanchez coming back next week.

Milledge wasn't depth. He was penciled in as the guy they wanted to start in RF last season. He was hurt so they went with Shawn Green. Carlos Gomez was depth? What does that make Angel Pagan? Super depth?

Endy Chavez isn't the same guy? What? I guess hitting .290 and being the best 4th OFer in the game in 2007 really killed him. And those 7 ABs this season? Killer.

Nothing left in the minors? Nah forget that Fernando Martinez kid, he's a bum. The funny thing is, Claudio Vargas would probably be the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in that awful Phillies rotation. You want bottom scraping? Two words: Kris Benson.

I'll give the Phillies a better left side of the infield then the Mets, but after that, the Mets are far superior everywhere else.

Oh Shane Victorino out for a while. Thank god for that Philly depth. I mean So Taguchi is much, much, much better then Pagan and Chavez. And I hope to god they don't bring up Chris Snelling! The guy sneezes and he's on the DL.

[Friday]

and the Mets shit the bed once again! :annoyed:

damn those Fighting Epos!!!

[Towelie]

Tough loss for sure, but thats what happens when you hit into 5 double plays (3 of which weren't your conventional DP either)

The plus side: Philly, Atlanta and Florida all lost.

So Tuesday we'll have Jose back and the return of Duaner Sanchez.

In baseball you're going to win 50, lose 50...Its what happens in those other 62 that determines the season.

And the booing at Shea is getting ridiculous. Its the mob mentality thats seemingly taking over. C'mon people we're smarter then that, this isn't Philadelphia.

[Kevin]

Fighting Epos 2

Mets 1

[spadanko]

Wow, Ollie imploded today.


of course he did, because i mentione dhim yesterday as being good.... i'm a fucking mush

[dino_electropolis]

Tough loss for sure, but thats what happens when you hit into 5 double plays (3 of which weren't your conventional DP either)

The plus side: Philly, Atlanta and Florida all lost.

So Tuesday we'll have Jose back and the return of Duaner Sanchez.

In baseball you're going to win 50, lose 50...Its what happens in those other 62 that determines the season.

And the booing at Shea is getting ridiculous. Its the mob mentality thats seemingly taking over. C'mon people we're smarter then that, this isn't Philadelphia.

Fk that! As a lifelong, die hard Mets fan, i say boo the shit out of them.....i was at the last game last season, and at game 7 of the NLCS the year before.....we have too much talent not to be hands down winners.

Ur right, this isnt Philly....at least THEY have a Penant.

[spadanko]

Fk that! As a lifelong, die hard Mets fan, i say boo the shit out of them.....i was at the last game last season, and at game 7 of the NLCS the year before.....we have too much talent not to be hands down winners.

Ur right, this isnt Philly....at least THEY have a Penant.

they don't have a pennant.. they won the division. the pennant is when you win the league. (as the mets did in 2000).

I am completely against booing unless the p[alyer is not trying. Bobby Bo, roger Cedeno, robbie alomar, etc... Booing Johan is a FUCKING ATROCITY. And it makes you wonder why people constantly talk shit...we are 12 games in, no one in the division besides florida is over 500. the tigers are 2-10, the yanks and sox have shit records.... get the fuck over it.

[BeerBandit]

It's a good day today.

The Mets can't lose if they don't play!:thumbup:

[K.C.]

Man, what a rotation the Mets would have if they were throwing Santana, Martinez, Kazmir, Bannister, Maine.

Hey, but Nelson Figuerora's pretty good!

[dino_electropolis]

they don't have a pennant.. they won the division. the pennant is when you win the league. (as the mets did in 2000).

I am completely against booing unless the p[alyer is not trying. Bobby Bo, roger Cedeno, robbie alomar, etc... Booing Johan is a FUCKING ATROCITY. And it makes you wonder why people constantly talk shit...we are 12 games in, no one in the division besides florida is over 500. the tigers are 2-10, the yanks and sox have shit records.... get the fuck over it.

just reading the names Bobby Bo, Cedeno and Alomar just gave me chills.....

I'm not worried about the season....i just expect NY teams to always excel especially b/c their salaries are what result in $8 beers and $5 hot dogs....so i think any fan in attendance has paid their way to boo.

I boo b/c i love....b/c i put time and money into the team, and b/c we need another Ring already!!!!!!

[Bossanova]

just reading the names Bobby Bo, Cedeno and Alomar just gave me chills.....

I'm not worried about the season....i just expect NY teams to always excel especially b/c their salaries are what result in $8 beers and $5 hot dogs....so i think any fan in attendance has paid their way to boo.

I boo b/c i love....b/c i put time and money into the team, and b/c we need another Ring already!!!!!!

I am so tired of hearing about how I pay my hard earned dollars to see them wiin so I have the right to boo them. Did you bust your ass in the gym, or train every day to get to the major league level? A lot of fucking people would love to play and would take less money. Bottom line is professional sports are filled with great talent. Sometimes you have it, some times you are off. Johan is the best pitcher in the game and he didnt throw an awful game. He threw 3 bad pitches. The Mets traded for him, they threw an ass load of money at him. Boo Omar, not this guy. Lets shit on him in his first year here and maybe he wont fit in NY like so many others. Its April 14th, no time to start being antsy or booing people. The Mets could have won the WS last year and eople would still boo them. How can we expect more? They collapsed with this team. The only difference is 1 guy who pitches every 5 games. They have lost 4 other games without Johan. Maybe score more than 3 runs for the guy. Enough with the booing

[Towelie]

Man, what a rotation the Mets would have if they were throwing Santana, Martinez, Kazmir, Bannister, Maine.

Hey, but Nelson Figuerora's pretty good!

You do understand that if we still had Kazmir, we more then likely don't have Santana and Martinez?

I'm not going to go into detail as to why, since you're just a dense retard, but trust me I'm right.

Bannister would have never been in the rotation here, he had his shot and he sucked. His lack to control will eventually catch up to him, it catches up to everyone.

Funny thing really, Figueroa would be your #3.

[dino_electropolis]

I am so tired of hearing about how I pay my hard earned dollars to see them wiin so I have the right to boo them. Did you bust your ass in the gym, or train every day to get to the major league level? A lot of fucking people would love to play and would take less money. Bottom line is professional sports are filled with great talent. Sometimes you have it, some times you are off. Johan is the best pitcher in the game and he didnt throw an awful game. He threw 3 bad pitches. The Mets traded for him, they threw an ass load of money at him. Boo Omar, not this guy. Lets shit on him in his first year here and maybe he wont fit in NY like so many others. Its April 14th, no time to start being antsy or booing people. The Mets could have won the WS last year and eople would still boo them. How can we expect more? They collapsed with this team. The only difference is 1 guy who pitches every 5 games. They have lost 4 other games without Johan. Maybe score more than 3 runs for the guy. Enough with the booing

i paid money to watch my beloved team when they shit the bed daily during the 95-98 seasons.....

If these great players cant handle the booing, then they arent professionals. And if it gets too much for them, they can stuff their ears with hundred dollar bills.

I love the mets, and i love your devotion to them.

But dont deny me my Booooooos! :smile:

[Towelie]

So come this offseason, when we offer Mark Texiera a big contract and he thinks well I can take this money and get booed for a month (since hes a notorious slow starter) or I can take a little less and stay in Atlanta and be comfortable

Booing the team, especially in fucking April is not only stupid, its detrimental to the franchise itself.

Why do you think Philadelphia can't attract a big name free agent to save their lives? No one wants to voluntarily play in that shithole in front of a crowd of 40,000 retards 81 times a year

[spadanko]

If we don't trade kazmir, we don't bring in Minaya... and so on, and so forth

[Towelie]

If we don't trade kazmir, we don't bring in Minaya... and so on, and so forth

Exactly.

As shitty as it was, the Kazmir trade was the trigger to turn this franchise around.

[newport king]

this team is way, way overrated.

Delgado is garbage in every way. The Nationals have 2 firstbasemen i'd rather see.

Castillo is ok at times but we have him for i think another 4 years, which is insane.

Reyes and Wright i hav to believe will turn things around.

Our outfield has been very good.

Pedro, looked like shit in the innings he wasn't hurt, but we'll have to see when he gets back.

Johan still very good but already giving up too many hr's

El Duque is a fucking joke....I mean a bunion? Are you serious?

The bullpen besides Joe Smith (and schoenweiss and feliciano this weekend) can't hold a lead OR limit any damage thats already been done.

Why does the 6th 7th and 8th innings have to be a fucking adventure every night.

Willy absolutely sucks as a manager. He has no feel for his pitchers and is constantly making the wrong moves. The best man for the job in my opinion is currently a commentator in the SNY booth.

Please stop with the "we're so much better than the phillies" argument because we're not. And we didn't lose the division last year they beat the shit out of us down the stretch and took it from us.

[K.C.]

Please stop with the "we're so much better than the phillies" argument because we're not. And we didn't lose the division last year they beat the shit out of us down the stretch and took it from us.

Exactly.

And I'll add that Towelie's really the guy beating that drum. The rest of what I read here is pretty much tantamount to the typical ball-busting that goes on between our thread.

I'll say that I've read some of Towelie's posts on these various boards for going on three years, I think, now. He is a VERY passionate fan, I'll give him that much.

But all he does is find James-ian statistics and throw them out like they're the means to all ends, and mask it in a "anyone who doesn't agree with this is clearly retarded" comment.

That stuff only carries so much weight in the end. Baseball is as much a game of heart and character as it is numbers. And if you're telling me that what you've seen out of the Mets from last year to the beginning of this year is an exhibition of that, you're absolutely nuts.

I'm not saying that team doesn't have the ability, and that they won't find that along the way this season. But the absolute LAST people who should be puffing their chests out like their team is head & shoulders above everyone else is Mets fans.


And it's not like it's a reactionary thing because I'm saying something like "The Phillies are clearly the best team in the division."

I don't think I've said that once. ("I may have thrown a couple 'team to beat' comments in there, but again, ball-busting")

All I've said is the three teams, Mets, Braves, and Phils are very close this season. I really have no clue who's got a leg up at this point.

[Towelie]

That stuff only carries so much weight in the end. Baseball is as much a game of heart and character as it is numbers. And if you're telling me that what you've seen out of the Mets from last year to the beginning of this year is an exhibition of that, you're absolutely nuts.

Ew. I mean honesty, ew.

So you're telling me if Jose Reyes had more heart he wouldn't have hit .205 in September?

If Tom Glavine had more heart he wouldn't have sucked from May-September?

If Orlando Hernandez had more character he wouldn't have gotten hurt?

There is no such thing as heart and character when it comes to results. Its the stupidest argument EVER.

Having heart doesn't make you a better hitter, it doesn't make you pitch better and it doesn't make you play defense better.

Character doesn't make you run faster or jump higher and it doesn't help you to be a smarter player

Baseball is a game of numbers and will always be a game of numbers. Everything about the Mets collapse can be written with numbers, bad pitching, bat situational hitting, stupid defense and injuries. Heart isn't going to change any of that.

I guess after the last regular season game of 2007 the Phillies heart average dropped to zero.

See how stupid that argument is?

[epo]

Fighting Epos 2

Mets 1

Face!

http://brewernation.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/gagne_1.jpeg

[cougarjake13]

Face!

http://brewernation.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/gagne_1.jpeg

both our teams blew divison championships last year so neither of us should talk

[PD]

All I've said is the three teams, Mets, Braves, and Phils are very close this season. I really have no clue who's got a leg up at this point.

All 3 teams seem to have significant holes. I do believe that he Mets will prevail, but it's not like I would be shocked if Phils win it.

Braves - I know they are a popular pick among "experts", but I think they are over -rated.

Back to Metsies.

They have become an incredibly frustrating team to watch.
While I agree with Towlie that the idea of "heart" is way overblown, I do believe in teams being "tight". 5 double plays vs 0; 3 wild pitches. I have no idea where that stuff comes from.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Its still early and the division is very close. Yes we look like crap but im still confident that they are going to hit their stride and there is no one better to do that against then the Nationals at home.Although as a Mets fan im sure Milledge and LoDuca will each hit 4hr's this series :tongue:.

[Towelie]

Its still early and the division is very close. Yes we look like crap but im still confident that they are going to hit their stride and there is no one better to do that against then the Nationals at home.Although as a Mets fan im sure Milledge and LoDuca will each hit 4hr's this series :tongue:.

Paulie is out of the lineup tonight, so we get another "former" Met starting in Johnny Estrada

Lasto is going to get a massive ovation, thats for sure.

2 out 3 is a minimum in this series, especially heading to Philly for the first time this weekend.

[epo]

both our teams blew divison championships last year so neither of us should talk

A young Brewers team choked their first time in the playoff chase and did it slowly over the course of 2 months. This should have been expected from a young team.

A veteran Mets team choked a 7-game lead on September 12th away. That choke job is listed as the #5 ranked top-choke job of all time by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/10/01/bp.collapses/1.html).

Please, don't compare the two, as they really are apples & oranges.

[Towelie]

Tonights lineup....Big changes

Jose Reyes-SS
Ryan Church-RF
David Wright-3B
Carlos Beltran-CF
Carlos Delgado-1B
Angel Pagan-LF
Brian Schneider-C
Luis Castillo-2B

[Towelie]

A young Brewers team choked their first time in the playoff chase and did it slowly over the course of 2 months. This should have been expected from a young team.

A veteran Mets team choked a 7-game lead on September 12th away. That choke job is listed as the #5 ranked top-choke job of all time by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/10/01/bp.collapses/1.html).

Please, don't compare the two, as they really are apples & oranges.

The Mets collapse started long before September 17th

They were 34-19 on June 1st and after that they went 54-55 the rest of the way.

The bottom line is, both teams really fucked up.

[spadanko]

Tonights lineup....Big changes

Jose Reyes-SS
Ryan Church-RF
David Wright-3B
Carlos Beltran-CF
Carlos Delgado-1B
Angel Pagan-LF
Brian Schneider-C
Luis Castillo-2B


love Church hitting 2... hopefully he'll see some fastballs... and jose can get going too

[Towelie]

love Church hitting 2... hopefully he'll see some fastballs... and jose can get going too

I'd prefer Pagan to stay in the two slot, but as long as Castillo isn't there I'm fine.

I think this is a general audition for Church for when Alou comes back. If he works here we are looking at:

Reyes/Church/Wright/Beltran/Alou/Delgado/Schneider/Castillo

[BoondockSaint]

Nice game by Pelfry tonight. 7 innings, no runs. I'll take it every time.

[BeerBandit]

Nice game by Pelfry tonight. 7 innings, no runs. I'll take it every time.

Reyes breaking out big time and 3 games in a row with a HR for David. Just need Beltran to stop grounding into DPs.

[Towelie]

I know it won't last, but the Marlins sure are playing some decent ball

[cougarjake13]

A young Brewers team choked their first time in the playoff chase and did it slowly over the course of 2 months. This should have been expected from a young team.

A veteran Mets team choked a 7-game lead on September 12th away. That choke job is listed as the #5 ranked top-choke job of all time by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/10/01/bp.collapses/1.html).

Please, don't compare the two, as they really are apples & oranges.

where in my post did i compare them ??

just said both our teams choked

[spadanko]

Nice game by Pelfry tonight. 7 innings, no runs. I'll take it every time.


great game all around.. Nice to see Dirty and his goggles back!!

Welcome BAck Duaner!

[Kevin]

where in my post did i compare them ??

just said both our teams choked

You compared them when you put them together in the same category. And its not the same.. A Young up and coming team losing a division lead is not considered choking, its considered a learning experience a vetern team thats the best in the league by a good margin losing a divison lead, is.

[PD]

great game all around.. Nice to see Dirty and his goggles back!!

Welcome BAck Duaner!

very much so.

even though some runners still left on, they scored, Reyes hit, Pelf pitched, nice all around.

[Towelie]

This is exactly what this team needed.

I have a feeling we're going to get another big game from John Maine tomorrow and then whatever we can get from Nelson Figueroa will be icing.

I'm pretty sad though that they booed Lastings, he didn't really deserve that.

I do hope they boo LoDuca, that piece of shit cheater.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

good job Willie in letting Pelfrey pitch the 7th


if that bull pen fucked up another game, people would be calling for Willie's head


now Maine needs to pitch 7 strong tomorrow and lets win a fucking series for god's sake

[spadanko]

This is exactly what this team needed.

I have a feeling we're going to get another big game from John Maine tomorrow and then whatever we can get from Nelson Figueroa will be icing.

I'm pretty sad though that they booed Lastings, he didn't really deserve that.

I do hope they boo LoDuca, that piece of shit cheater.

i agree.. they should not have booed lasto...

but loduca is a cunt

[dino_electropolis]

i agree.. they should not have booed lasto...

but loduca is a cunt

Yeah, no booing for Milledge.


But whats with the LoDuca hatin here? When they first lost him, i thought, shit, now we'll never get that ring.

Not b/c of his bat, not b/c of his defense, but b/c of his place in the clubhouse.

Without LoDukes, where is our fire?



And everyone PLEASE relax....we're two weeks in. Seriously.

[Bossanova]

Yeah, no booing for Milledge.


But whats with the LoDuca hatin here? When they first lost him, i thought, shit, now we'll never get that ring.

Not b/c of his bat, not b/c of his defense, but b/c of his place in the clubhouse.

Without LoDukes, where is our fire?



And everyone PLEASE relax....we're two weeks in. Seriously.

True, there was fire. But LoDuca was not liked by many and he was an asshole who lost his temper in too many costly spots

[Towelie]

True, there was fire. But LoDuca was not liked by many and he was an asshole who lost his temper in too many costly spots

Exactly correct.

Not to mention the fact that he was also on the Mitchell Report and the end of last season he was writing checks with his mouth that his bat couldn't cash.

I'm extremely happy LoDuca is gone, and with the performance of Church and Schneider so far, this trade isn't looking as awful as it did when it happened.

But yes, its still very early.

[Bossanova]

Not to mention he is 36, and catchers usually die after 36

[Towelie]

Heres an interesting situation that will be coming around pretty soon, I'd figure by the end of April/early May.

Matt Wise is due of the DL on Thursday but apparently he hasnt even begun throwing again

But when its time for him to come off DL who gets the demotion? Joe Smith seems like the obvious choice, but hes been rock solid (1.69 ERA)

So who gets sent down? Sosa needs to stay, as does Figueroa…Do they try and cut Schoeneweis?

Sadly, Smith looks like a victim of circumstance.

Ramon Castro will be back, and the obvious move would be to send down Raul Casanova. But with the emergence of Angel Pagan and the return of Moises Alou (late April is very possible for his return) do the Mets send down Brady Clark and (don't kill me here) Endy Chavez?

Endy really doesn't seem to have much of a place on the team right now, and the benefit of having three catchers gives the Mets the advantage of using Castro as a PH.

With Pagan, Anderson and Easley we have three guys that can play the OF...Clark is obviously the first guy gone...But I won't be shocked (although it will be emotionally devestating) to see them designate Endy.

But there is a lot of time before we have to deal with that scenario I suppose.

[Marc with a c]

somebody will probably get hurt between now and then

[Bossanova]

Endy isn't the same as in '06. He has had too many AB's to surprise anyone and he isn't that must have utility guy. I vote for him

[Towelie]

somebody will probably get hurt between now and then

This is true

However the Mets will almost certainly call up Jose Valentin when he's ready to come back.

He'll probably be playing in minor league games in about three weeks, so I'd figure mid-May he'll be back on the roster as well.

Its certainly going to be interesting to see how all the maneuvers play out over the next two months.

[Towelie]

Mets fan dies after falling over railing at Shea
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- A man attending a New York Mets game with his family lost his balance on an escalator and fell two stories to his death, police said.

Antonio Nararainsami, 36, and several relatives, including his two young daughters, were leaving the stadium at the end of Tuesday night's game against the Washington Nationals when he fell in a section below the left field stands and landed on a concrete floor. Nararainsami, a Guyanese native who lived in Brooklyn, was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead half an hour later.

Kevin Prashad, a cousin who attended the game, said Nararainsami was walking down the escalator, which wasn't moving, and was holding the hand rail when he "lost his footing."

The Mets said in a statement that they had been "advised of a tragic accident that resulted in the death of a fan." They said team officials and police were investigating.

"Our deepest and heartfelt condolences go out to the fan's family," the team's statement said.

The death of Nararainsami, who was wearing a Mets cap when he fell, appeared to be an accident, and no charges had been filed, police said.

Nararainsami installed heating and air conditioning systems for a living, loved sports and was the captain of a local cricket club, his relatives said. His wife, pregnant with their third child, had stayed home while he attended the game.

Nararainsami's death wasn't the first at Shea. In 1985, a 21-year-old Yonkers man fell 100 feet from an escalator and was killed.

This is the Mets' last season at Shea Stadium. A new stadium, Citi Field, is scheduled to open next year.

Tuesday's game, which the Mets won 6-0, had celebrated Jackie Robinson Day, the 61st anniversary of when the Brooklyn Dodgers legend broke major league baseball's color barrier.


:ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:

[Towelie]

Doing a little more research this ass was sliding down the railing which means:

1. He's wasted

2. I don't feel bad for him

3. I do however feel for his poor kids who had to see that

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Doing a little more research this ass was sliding down the railing which means:

1. He's wasted

2. I don't feel bad for him

3. I do however feel for his poor kids who had to see that

Yea that was dumb of him but I def feel bad for his daughters.

[hammersavage]

Endy is the odd man out. Nice catch two years ago, didn't mean anything but thanks...

[NickyL0885]

nah. willie is too loyal to endy. no way hes being sent down.

[Towelie]

nah. willie is too loyal to endy. no way hes being sent down.

Its not Willie's choice to make in the end.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

cmon Jose 11 pitches and thats all you muster

for shame

[dino_electropolis]

yeah mets......bats waking up!

[Marc with a c]

and that's why the national league is so much better than the american.

[Kevin]

and that's why the national league is so much easier than the american.

fixed.

[Marc with a c]

fixed.

good one. i'm going to bed fucko

[Kevin]

good one. i'm going to bed fucko

I would, but i have another 4 hours left on my game.

[Marc with a c]

I would, but i have another 4 hours left on my game.

that was my joke buttcut

[OzoneParkPaulie]

We're looking much better the past few days. We are hitting and pitching well. I know its the Nats but these are the teams that we have to stomp out. We need to get the sweep tomorrow and get some momentum going into Philly.

[spadanko]

winning the games they are supposed too.. nice win

[PD]

Doing a little more research this ass was sliding down the railing which means:

1. He's wasted

2. I don't feel bad for him

3. I do however feel for his poor kids who had to see that

daily news has his family swearing he wasn't wasted, but it's still moronic-
a) you never take the escalators if you can go down the ramp, and i have no idea how you can fall over those escalator sides.

agreed spadanko- you need to beat the teams you are supposed to beat.

2 nice complete victories in a row, even if they were against an awful team - and nice that Mets seem to be able to handle the lefties.

[Towelie]

Myself and Boater will be at the Mets game tonight and then I'm going with one of my buddies to Philly to watch Santana/Hamels

If anyone wants to come say hello, we'll be in the field box section 216 tonight.

This is a big game, a sweep would be huge.

We got Brooklyn vs. Long Island tonight

John Lannan is from Long Beach, a Chaminade grad and a Sienna alum

Good kid, I've met him once or twice, but I hope we smash his face in tonight.

[Towelie]

Oh, and no Rollins on Friday, and he may miss the entire series altogether.

He has a funeral for his uncle on Friday, and his ankle injury is a lot worst then the Phillies are letting on

I'm surprised they haven't DLed him. He's pretty much a waste of a roster spot right now.

[Marc with a c]

gad it

[K.C.]

Oh, and no Rollins on Friday, and he may miss the entire series altogether.

He has a funeral for his uncle on Friday, and his ankle injury is a lot worst then the Phillies are letting on

I'm surprised they haven't DLed him. He's pretty much a waste of a roster spot right now.

Can't DL him...he keeps pinch-hitting so they can't retroact him.

It'd cost another 15 days...they believe he'll be ready before that.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

lets go Met zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[K.C.]

Part of me is sick of watching this damn game and just wants it over....the other wants it to go 20 innings and the Mets to use all their pitchers.

Milledge looks like he's pulling off the ball when he swings...those shouldn't be his types of swings.

[Marc with a c]

mother fuck. i'll take it

[Bossanova]

Awful win

[spadanko]

Awful win

win is a win

[Bossanova]

win is a win

Oh, I am not upset about it. Just an awful game to watch.

[BoondockSaint]

Brutal game to watch last night. At least they won it. They need a big effort from Santana tonight since they used everyone except Schoeneweis.

[K.C.]

Brutal game to watch last night. At least they won it. They need a big effort from Santana tonight since they used everyone except Schoeneweis.

All talk aside, this is going to be a fantastic game to watch tonight.

The betting line is an even -105 on both sides on Sportsbook, which I'd say means they're tilting slightly to the Mets, which is understandable with Rollins being out of the lineup.

A couple things to consider:
-Mets used their whole bullpen last night except Schoeneweis like you mentioned (although Feliciano only threw four pitches)
-Phillies have a propensity for following up double-digit bludgeonings with very poor offensive performances.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

atleast it was not 22 innings like the Padres and Rockies yiccckkkk

[BoondockSaint]

All talk aside, this is going to be a fantastic game to watch tonight.

The betting line is an even -105 on both sides on Sportsbook, which I'd say means they're tilting slightly to the Mets, which is understandable with Rollins being out of the lineup.

A couple things to consider:
-Mets used their whole bullpen last night except Schoeneweis like you mentioned (although Feliciano only threw four pitches)
-Phillies have a propensity for following up double-digit bludgeonings with very poor offensive performances.

And how many times do these big pitching match ups not live up to the expectations? I'm really psyched for it, though. And it was so nice outside today that it feels like a baseball day.

[BoondockSaint]

Does anyone else get happy when the 7 hitter gets a hit with 2 outs and think, "Well, at least they cleared Castillo's spot for the next inning."

[BoondockSaint]

Classy Philly fans cheering when Reyes was down and booing when he got up. And Wright makes it right.

[Kevin]

Carlos Reyes sure looks alot like Jose Reyes.

[BoondockSaint]

Carlos Reyes sure looks alot like Jose Reyes.

It's like Phil Rizzuto is calling the game.

[Yosammity]

Could someone please tell me why Willie put in Heilman (not Feliciano) to pitch against two lefties in the 8th? Makes no sense!

[BoondockSaint]

Put it in the books!

Santana's line should have looked better but Heilman hates him.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Home Run Heilman , the MVP for the opposing team

[spadanko]

Could someone please tell me why Willie put in Heilman (not Feliciano) to pitch against two lefties in the 8th? Makes no sense!

they announced Coste as the hitter, so they brought in Heilman. then Manuel switched it up... Heilman should get ghonareah

Great game by Johan and great 9th by Billy

Oh and man crush in full effect on D-wright (no homo)

[BoondockSaint]

they announced Coste as the hitter, so they brought in Heilman. then Manuel switched it up... Heilman should get ghonareah

Great game by Johan and great 9th by Billy

Oh and man crush in full effect on D-wright (no homo)

Wagner hasn't given up a hit all year. Is it the wind up or coincidence?

[andy from A.V]

im glad santana is on the mets because now they have gomez and santana sucks:clap:

[BoondockSaint]

im glad santana is on the mets because now they have gomez and santana sucks:clap:


This is your worst character ever, Kevin.

[K.C.]

Classy Philly fans cheering when Reyes was down and booing when he got up. And Wright makes it right.

Come on...if Mets fans have shown anything over the last two years it's that they'd do the exact same thing if Rollins was lying unconscious at 2nd base.

And to be fair, it was a 'mixed' reaction.

[K.C.]

The one thing that was interesting about watching Santana is that he started almost everyone he faced with a fastball on the black or just outside the black.

It's kind of easy to see why he gives up home runs like he does...if he misses his spot, hitters are going to sit on that pitch all day.

But he's so good because he rarely misses his spot...unbelievable control on this guy.

And when you mix that control with a wide strike zone (which both pitchers got tonight to be fair, so it wasn't an issue), it makes him that much more deadly.

[BoondockSaint]

Come on...if Mets fans have shown anything over the last two years it's that they'd do the exact same thing if Rollins was lying unconscious at 2nd base.

And to be fair, it was a 'mixed' reaction.

I'll give you that it was mixed but you are mistaken if you think the same would happen in NY. Sure, some would but not to the extent they did tonight. I've seen it happen here enough where the fans realize it's a game and not cheer because they think someone is hurt.

[BoondockSaint]

The one thing that was interesting about watching Santana is that he started almost everyone he faced with a fastball on the black or just outside the black.

It's kind of easy to see why he gives up home runs like he does...if he misses his spot, hitters are going to sit on that pitch all day.

.

The knock on him is that he is ALWAYS on the plate. So even when it's 0-2 he throws something around the plate that can be hit.

[K.C.]

I'll give you that it was mixed but you are mistaken if you think the same would happen in NY. Sure, some would but not to the extent they did tonight. I've seen it happen here enough where the fans realize it's a game and not cheer because they think someone is hurt.

Disagree...they were cheering when Rollins came up lame on the pickoff attempt at 2B during the Shea series.

There's a more illustrious history of it in Philadelphia, but New York fans have it in them when it comes right down to it.

And as far as fandom goes, you guys have just as big a capacity, if not more, to your own in terms of home team players.

[BoondockSaint]

Disagree...they were cheering when Rollins came up lame on the pickoff attempt at 2B during the Shea series.

There's a more illustrious history of it in Philadelphia, but New York fans have it in them when it comes right down to it.

And as far as fandom goes, you guys have just as big a capacity, if not more, to your own in terms of home team players.

Ok, I don't remember them doing it to Rollins but if they did that is shitty.

Can we agree that it is a fucking low class thing to do?

[K.C.]

The knock on him is that he is ALWAYS on the plate. So even when it's 0-2 he throws something around the plate that can be hit.

True...but that changeup is pretty impossible to hit 0-2, and he's throwing that to probably 90% of the hitters in that situation. And he seemed to have an excellent feel of when guys are sitting on the changeup...it looked like Howard was his last at bat and he came at him with two fastballs for a strikeout catching Ryan late on both.

The first-pitch fastball seems to be your best chance as a hitter if your facing him. You have to sit on it as best you can. He was so on tonight, though, at least through the 7th, that he was placing it right there and getting the call every time.

[K.C.]

Ok, I don't remember them doing it to Rollins but if they did that is shitty.

Can we agree that it is a fucking low class thing to do?

Yeah, I think it's a weak move.

[BoondockSaint]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/jfm75/hamelsdozer.jpg

[Kevin]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/jfm75/hamelsdozer.jpg

Both he and Jose Reyes have nothing on Carlos Reyes. They both would not have gotten up after that slide. Carlos is a REAL MAN!!

[Towelie]

Made it out of Philly alive

Never seen anything more disgraceful then those animals giving a standing ovation when Reyes was hurt.

Fucking disgusting.

Oh well, King David and crew showed who was the better team in the end.


Ryan Church is nonsense right now.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Could someone please tell me why Willie put in Heilman (not Feliciano) to pitch against two lefties in the 8th? Makes no sense!
I think Sanchez is going to take his place as the setup man in a week or two when he gets his arm strength back. I think Heilman will go into the mid/long relief spot and Nelson Figueroa will be the long man when Pedro comes back.

Made it out of Philly alive

Never seen anything more disgraceful then those animals giving a standing ovation when Reyes was hurt.

Fucking disgusting.

Oh well, King David and crew showed who was the better team in the end.


Ryan Church is nonsense right now.
We'll make it up to them in Shea ;).

[Towelie]

The fans in the stadium weren't so bad, I took a fair amount of shit, but I expected it.

But leaving the stadium, wow that was certainly a new experience

Bitter, bitter fans.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

The fans in the stadium weren't so bad, I took a fair amount of shit, but I expected it.

But leaving the stadium, wow that was certainly a new experience

Bitter, bitter fans.

Wouldn't we be the same if we lived there lol? Way to start it off boys!! Wright is on fire.:furious:

[BoondockSaint]

Who was that wearing Heilman's uniform?

[BoondockSaint]

Put it in the books!

Will Wagner ever give up a hit this year?

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Who was that wearing Heilman's uniform?

Haha yea baby! Its about time he did something clutch. And as for Howard it must be the curse of MLB:The Show-http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c134/southpaw817/ryanhowardandthephilliessuck.png

[King Hippos Bandaid]

hell yeah

2-0 baby


the series is ours

edited my comments cause some think Im a jinx

[cougarjake13]

Put it in the books!

Will Wagner ever give up a hit this year?

ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

be quiet

[docgoblin]

Put it in the books!

Will Wagner ever give up a hit this year?

ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

be quiet

Yeah, what are you trying to do? Please knock on wood immediately!

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, what are you trying to do? Please knock on wood immediately!

ahh he ruined it wags will blow a save tommorrow night now


thanks boonie

[OzoneParkPaulie]

ahh he ruined it wags will blow a save tommorrow night now


thanks boonie

Im new to this board so fill me in. If we blow them out tomorrow and dont need him will the jinx carry over to Chicago? :)

[cougarjake13]

Im new to this board so fill me in. If we blow them out tomorrow and dont need him will the jinx carry over to Chicago? :)

yeh next outing for wags whenever and wherever it may be he will now blow the save or the game if its a non save situation

hopefully im wrong and we dont have a new jinxy on our hands

[OzoneParkPaulie]

yeh next outing for wags whenever and wherever it may be he will now blow the save or the game if its a non save situation

hopefully im wrong and we dont have a new jinxy on our hands

Damn it......well I guess we'll see.

[docgoblin]

yeh next outing for wags whenever and wherever it may be he will now blow the save or the game if its a non save situation

hopefully im wrong and we dont have a new jinxy on our hands

Unfortunately you're probably right. Next thing you know a black cat will run in front of the Mets dugout and Wagner will break his leg running in from the bullpen.... Great job Saint! You just ruined the whole season!

[cougarjake13]

Damn it......well I guess we'll see.

yep live and on television

[OzoneParkPaulie]

yep live and on television

Yea lol,well I just love that we started out the season taking 4/5 games against them and 2/3 in their house. There was a great amount of travelling Mets fans there today. I love when we take over other teams stadiums lol. And Reyes did a great job paying back the Phils fans by winning us the game.

[cougarjake13]

Yea lol,well I just love that we started out the season taking 4/5 games against them and 2/3 in their house. There was a great amount of travelling Mets fans there today. I love when we take over other teams stadiums lol. And Reyes did a great job paying back the Phils fans by winning us the game.

oh yeh when i still lived in ny i used to go to philly and pitts all the time