New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Kevin]

the latin infusion continues

torrealba signing will be announced in the next few days

Omar is being called a Racist again on wfan as we speak..

[cougarjake13]

Omar is being called a Racist again on wfan as we speak..

yeh im listening but they're not coming right out and saying he's only going after latinos

[BeerBandit]

yeh im listening but they're not coming right out and saying he's only going after latinos

I don't mind him going after Latinos.

As long as that Latino has a Germanic first name.

[BoondockSaint]

Eh, don't really care one way or another which catcher they got. The pitching is what needs to be addressed for them to win next year.

[cougarjake13]

Eh, don't really care one way or another which catcher they got. The pitching is what needs to be addressed for them to win next year.

but still torrealba isnt as good as lo duca offensively and we still need to hit

[BoondockSaint]

but still torrealba isnt as good as lo duca offensively and we still need to hit

They're not that far off. Torrealba strikes out more but has a higher OBP and I think Castro will get more playing time. When they collapsed last year they were scoring plenty. They were just giving up a ton of runs.

[cougarjake13]

They're not that far off. Torrealba strikes out more but has a higher OBP and I think Castro will get more playing time. When they collapsed last year they were scoring plenty. They were just giving up a ton of runs.

oh yeh absolutely

but if you had a choice, which the mets do, why not keep the guy you know performs well here over the guy you dont know

and if you look at his ( torrealba's) home and away stats, he like most rockies players were good at home and much worse on the road

[K.C.]

Isn't Torrealba a .215 hitter away from Coors?

[BoondockSaint]

Lo Duca hit .226 at Shea last year.

[Kevin]

Isn't Torrealba a .215 hitter away from Coors?

Yea, his numbers out of Coors are AWFUL!

[K.C.]

Lo Duca hit .226 at Shea last year.

Actually, I short-changed Torrealba....

Only .212.


And if I remember correctly, didn't the Giants basically dump him for nothing when they had him??

[cougarjake13]

Yea, his numbers out of Coors are AWFUL!

exactly and they aint get any better at a pitchers park like shea, and the new stadium after that

[Kevin]

This is stupid.. If the Mets sign Posada, this shit would not pop up.. Its not like he past up Johnny Bench for this guy.. La Duca talked alot of shit, and didnt back it up much.. He just got old with the Mets..

And like i said before.. Why get Latin players anyway.. They suck...

[cougarjake13]

Actually, I short-changed Torrealba....

Only .212.


And if I remember correctly, didn't the Giants basically dump him for nothing when they had him??

July 30, 2005: Traded by the San Francisco Giants with Jesse Foppert to the Seattle Mariners for Randy Winn.

[K.C.]

This is stupid.. If the Mets sign Posada, this shit would not pop up.. Its not like he past up Johnny Bench for this guy.. La Duca talked alot of shit, and didnt back it up much.. He just got old with the Mets..

And like i said before.. Why get Latin players anyway.. They suck...

My whole thing is....yes, the free agent catcher market sucked this year outside of Posada...but why commit three years, and god knows how much, to this bum?

Just piecemeal it for a year with Castro and and someone else. Torrealba isn't going to be the 'missing piece' for the Mets. So why bother?

It honestly reminds me of the Phillies signing Barajas last year, only the Mets are giving up more years and dollars.

[K.C.]

July 30, 2005: Traded by the San Francisco Giants with Jesse Foppert to the Seattle Mariners for Randy Winn.

Not as bad as I thought, although I think Foppert was the headliner in that deal, and Torrealba was the throw in.

Not that it ended up working out that way...

[cougarjake13]

This is stupid.. If the Mets sign Posada, this shit would not pop up.. Its not like he past up Johnny Bench for this guy.. La Duca talked alot of shit, and didnt back it up much.. He just got old with the Mets..

And like i said before.. Why get Latin players anyway.. They suck...


...............Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+

lo duca 2007 35 NYM NL 119 445 46 121 18 1 9 54 2 0 24 33 .272 .311 .378


torrealba 2007 28 COL NL 113 396 47 101 22 1 8 47 2 1 34 73 .255 .323 .376


i know i've been against torrelba but in 50 less at bats he almost had the same stats but thats with coors inflation so who knows

[Kevin]

My whole thing is....yes, the free agent catcher market sucked this year outside of Posada...but why commit three years, and god knows how much, to this bum?

Just piecemeal it for a year with Castro and and someone else. Torrealba isn't going to be the 'missing piece' for the Mets. So why bother?

It honestly reminds me of the Phillies signing Barajas last year, only the Mets are giving up more years and dollars.

Yea 3 years 14,5 is asinine for him..

[BoondockSaint]

Torrealba hit better on the road than he did at Coors in 2006. And the money is inconsequential. They can get rid of that contract any time they want. I think this is being made out to being a much bigger deal then it really is.

[cougarjake13]

My whole thing is....yes, the free agent catcher market sucked this year outside of Posada...but why commit three years, and god knows how much, to this bum?

Just piecemeal it for a year with Castro and and someone else. Torrealba isn't going to be the 'missing piece' for the Mets. So why bother?

yeh i'd rather bring up someone from the minors

[cougarjake13]

Yea 3 years 14,5 is asinine for him..

esp since before 2007 he never made more than a mil

[King Hippos Bandaid]

hmm

heres an idea

start Castro

:king:

[BoondockSaint]

yeh i'd rather bring up someone from the minors

Who, Sandy Alomar Jr? Mike DeFelice? They have nobody to bring up.

[cougarjake13]

Who, Sandy Alomar Jr? Mike DeFelice? They have nobody to bring up.

in triple a they have shawn wooten , and robinson cancel

[cougarjake13]

hell mike barrett was still is available as is jason kendall and jose molina

[BoondockSaint]

in triple a they have shawn wooten , and robinson cancel

Cancel is 31 and Wooten is 35. Like I said, they have nobody to bring up.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

the Mets could trade for a Catcher Prospect, but I still think Castro can be the regular catcher

:king:

[cougarjake13]

Cancel is 31 and Wooten is 35. Like I said, they have nobody to bring up.

i didnt mind castro when he played so you could have wen with him and brought up one of those guys, traded for someone or signed barrett, kendall, or molina

[cougarjake13]

its official



resign castro and sign torrealba (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071114&content_id=2300099&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym)

[cougarjake13]

braves offer glavine a contract, i hope he takes it


glavine is a faggott douche (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7420188)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

its official



resign castro and sign torrealba (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071114&content_id=2300099&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym)


Castro will always be held down

Fucking Mets

:king:

[BoondockSaint]

i didnt mind castro when he played so you could have wen with him and brought up one of those guys, traded for someone or signed barrett, kendall, or molina


Castro is a backup. He's a great backup. But if he thought that he could be starter he would have gone elsewhere. If you want to say they should have gotten Barret, fine. Kendall and Molina aren't good. And there is a reason that Cancel and Wooten are still in the minors. Torrealba will be fine.

Did anyone else see the thing in the Daily News today that the Mets were interested in signing Eckstein to play second base? I like Eckstein but I think I'd rather have Castillo.

[Kevin]

Castro is a backup. He's a great backup. But if he thought that he could be starter he would have gone elsewhere. If you want to say they should have gotten Barret, fine. Kendall and Molina aren't good. And there is a reason that Cancel and Wooten are still in the minors. Torrealba will be fine.

Did anyone else see the thing in the Daily News today that the Mets were interested in signing Eckstein to play second base? I like Eckstein but I think I'd rather have Castillo.

With Cashman's new take on targeting Jews, he is going to trade cano and sign eckstein to play 2b..

[BoondockSaint]

With Cashman's new take on targeting Jews, he is going to trade cano and sign eckstein to play 2b..


The Yankees are going to have trouble fielding a team on the high holy days.

[cougarjake13]

With Cashman's new take on targeting Jews, he is going to trade cano and sign eckstein to play 2b..

ill take cano but i wouldnt mind eckstein either he's the 2000's version of craig counsel

[Kevin]

The Yankees are going to have trouble fielding a team on the high holy days.

We are going to have to forfeit every Saturdays..

[cougarjake13]

We are going to have to forfeit every Saturdays..

or they'll just schedule sunday doubleheaders

[BoondockSaint]

We are going to have to forfeit every Saturdays..


You'll be playing a couple of early morning games on Friday, too.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

dont forget the Glatt's Kosher Pickle Turning Point of the Game

:king:

[Bulldogcakes]

I can just see the interlocking NY on a yamika.

[Marc with a c]

new GM omar minayaschewitz?

[Bulldogcakes]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/sterling.jpg

"It is high. . it is far. . oy gevalt! What a mench!!!"

[BoondockSaint]

The Mets' negotiations with Yorvit Torrealba collapsed on Saturday and the free-agent catcher will not be headed to Shea for next season after all. (http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spmets1117aa,0,6599370.story?coll=4thrail-bottom-promo)

[Bossanova]

Are there any other Latin catchers availible?

Why have they already given up on Gotay? He can work on his feilding, I thought he had some great ab's lastyear

[lleeder]

The Mets' negotiations with Yorvit Torrealba collapsed on Saturday and the free-agent catcher will not be headed to Shea for next season after all. (http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spmets1117aa,0,6599370.story?coll=4thrail-bottom-promo)

Lo Duca just left Race Palace and called his agent.

[Kevin]

Molina agreed with the Yanks for 2 years


However, I think this is temporary.. YorTor will see that he made a terrible mistake, and wants to be a Met so bad, that he is going to contact Omar via 3rd party. They will get this deal done without the agent.

[cougarjake13]

Are there any other Latin catchers availible?

Why have they already given up on Gotay? He can work on his feilding, I thought he had some great ab's lastyear

as far as i can tell he's still a met

[Bossanova]

as far as i can tell he's still a met

I would say that if they don't retain Castillo, give the kid a legit shot in the spring and not sign average talent

[cougarjake13]

I would say that if they don't retain Castillo, give the kid a legit shot in the spring and not sign average talent

oh hell yeh

id be fine with gotay and easiley at 2nd

[cougarjake13]

Are there any other Latin catchers availible?



Player Position Former Team New Team Signing Date Notes
1. Alomar, Sandy C NYM --- --- ---
2. Ausmus, Brad C HOU HOU 10/30/07 Re-signed to one-year contract
3. Bako, Paul C BAL --- --- ---
4. Barajas, Rod C PHI --- --- ---
5. Barrett, Michael C SD --- --- ---
6. Bennett, Gary C STL --- --- Club option declined.
7. Casanova, Raul C TB --- --- DFA'd, filed before being reassigned
8. Cash, Kevin C BOS --- --- Minor league free agent.
9. Castillo, Alberto C BAL --- --- Minor league free agent
10. Castro, Ramon C NYM NYM 11/16/07 Two-year contract
11. Cota, Humberto C PIT --- --- Minor league free agent
12. DiFelice, Mike C NYM --- --- ---
13. Fasano, Sal C TOR --- --- ---
14. Hoover, Paul C FLA --- --- Minor league free agent
15. House, J.R. C BAL --- --- Minor league free agent
16. Jorgensen, Ryan C CIN --- --- Minor league free agent
17. Kendall, Jason C CHC --- --- ---
18. LaRue, Jason C KC --- --- ---
19. LeCroy, Matthew C MIN --- --- Minor league free agent
20. Lieberthal, Mike C LAD --- --- Club option declined.
21. Lo Duca, Paul C NYM --- --- ---
22. Maldonado, Carlos C PIT --- --- Minor league free agent
23. Melhuse, Adam C OAK --- --- Minor league free agent
24. Miller, Corky C ATL --- --- Minor league free agent.
25. Miller, Damian C MIL --- --- ---
26. Mirabelli, Doug C BOS --- --- ---
27. Moeller, Chad C LAD --- --- Minor league free agent
28. Molina, Jose C NYY --- --- ---
29. Nieves, Wil C NYY --- --- Minor league free agent
30. Paul, Josh C TB --- --- ---
31. Posada, Jorge C NYY --- --- Player option
32. Quiroz, Guillermo C TEX --- --- Minor league free agent
33. Stinnett, Kelly C STL --- --- ---
34. Torrealba, Yorvit C COL --- --- ---
35. Valentin, Javier C CIN CIN 10/31/07 Club exercised option

[Bossanova]

Man, I know Omar hates LoDuca, but that list is shit.

[K.C.]

Mets about to sign Castillo 4yrs/$25mil

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7461986

It'd make a little more sense if it was a 1-2 year deal, but 4? He's got no power, and his speed is starting to fade because of leg injuries.

Not horrible considering the market, though...honestly, the only guys you could have made a case for in being better signing may have been Iguchi and Biggio (if he wasn't retiring). Still, they're way too wreckless with the number of years they throw at older players.

[cougarjake13]

Mets about to sign Castillo 4yrs/$25mil

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7461986

It'd make a little more sense if it was a 1-2 year deal, but 4? He's got no power, and his speed is starting to fade because of leg injuries.

Not horrible considering the market, though...honestly, the only guys you could have made a case for in being better signing may have been Iguchi and Biggio (if he wasn't retiring). Still, they're way too wreckless with the number of years they throw at older players.

what about eckstein ???

[BoondockSaint]

what about eckstein ???

I'd rather have Castillo.

[newport king]

i'm glad we won't get torrealba after all. hes isnt worth anywhere near what we were going to pay him. he was a downgrade in every aspect of the game compared to loduca. please trade for some pitching. i don't care what 17 year old hispanic kid omar is in love with that we have to give up. i heard him talk about carlos gomez last season like he was something great. i was never impressed in 1 at bat, and watched him go from 2nd to 3rd on a ball hit to short with 1 out. he doesnt know how to play the game.

fuck it bring piazza back and let him and castro split time.

[BoondockSaint]

fuck it bring piazza back and let him and castro split time.

Thank God you are not GM.

[MikeyTags]

Mets about to sign Castillo 4yrs/$25mil

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7461986

It'd make a little more sense if it was a 1-2 year deal, but 4? He's got no power, and his speed is starting to fade because of leg injuries.

Not horrible considering the market, though...honestly, the only guys you could have made a case for in being better signing may have been Iguchi and Biggio (if he wasn't retiring). Still, they're way too wreckless with the number of years they throw at older players.

I dont buy this article. What sources have said this? Go sign Iguchi Omar.

[newport king]

but you agree with the 1st paragraph, no?

[bigtim666]

The Braves have reportedly signed Glavine to a 1 year 8 million dollar deal http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spglavine1119,0,691263.story

[NickyL0885]

The Braves have reportedly signed Glavine to a 1 year 8 million dollar deal http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spglavine1119,0,691263.story

Awesome. I believe we get the Bravos 18th pick in the draft. HUZZAH!

[Kevin]

Awesome. I believe we get the Bravos 18th pick in the draft. HUZZAH!

I am sure he is looking forward to his 1st game back at Shea.. I am sure he is going to get a warm ovation..

[BeerBandit]

I'm satisfied with Castillo. Perhaps they can use Gotay as a chip now. With Easley and and Anderson resigned, he's kind of unnecessary and maybe the only non-outfielder who's stock should be up.

Stupid Pelfrey. Why couldn't you be good?

[cougarjake13]

espn is reporting the mets signed castillo


and fuck glavine i hope he gets hit by a line drive in spring training and dies right there on the mound

[BeerBandit]

espn is reporting the mets signed castillo


and fuck glavine i hope he gets hit by a line drive in spring training and dies right there on the mound


I'm so happy that I can hate Glavine again.

[cougarjake13]

I'm so happy that I can hate Glavine again.

i originally liked the signing but the first 4 yrs here he was just average

06 he was good and very intregral in our sucess, as he was for most of 07

but he shit the bed when we needed him the most


i hope a crazed pyschotic rapist rapes and kills his family

[K.C.]

what about eckstein ???

Forgot Eckstein...he was probably actually the best one, because he brings a little more intangibles and team leadership than Iguchi would have.

[cougarjake13]

Forgot Eckstein...he was probably actually the best one, because he brings a little more intangibles and team leadership than Iguchi would have.

yeh its too late now we re signed castillo

[newport king]

i dont know, there's few people i hate more than david eckstein. i would not be able to bear hearing how "hes a little guy with a ton of heart and no ability, and plays the game the right way" speeches i hear everytime i saw a cardinals game. fuck eckstein.

[Bossanova]

i dont know, there's few people i hate more than david eckstein. i would not be able to bear hearing how "hes a little guy with a ton of heart and no ability, and plays the game the right way" speeches i hear everytime i saw a cardinals game. fuck eckstein.

Thank you. I don't know what it is, I just can't stand him. I don't think he is that great either. Much rather have Castillo

[newport king]

players i want moved

carlos gomez - has no idea how to play the game...wow he's fast. impressive. so was keith miller.

mike pelfrey - any idiot that pitches with a mouthpiece doesn't know what the fuck he's doing out there. you realize statiscally speaking anthony young was a better pitcher?

aaron heilman - wipe that god damn "i hate pitching in relief" look off yer face. i know relief pitching is hard to come by..but come on, you gave up the big one to yadier fucking molina.

guillermo mota - watching him run away from piazza tells you he has no heart. oh and he can't throw strikes either.

delgado - this one is tough. we're paying alot for someone who hit about .215 last year.

[Bossanova]

Mets just trade Mota for Brewer catcher Johnny Estrada

[Kevin]

Mets just trade Mota for Brewer catcher Johnny Estrada

Thats a pretty good trade.. Estrada has not been as good as thought.. But to get anything for Roida, is great.

[BoondockSaint]

It's a Festivus miracle!

[Bossanova]

Thats a pretty good trade.. Estrada has not been as good as thought.. But to get anything for Roida, is great.

Im ok with this trade. Estrade is good enough to split time with Castro, and its good to see Omar finally give up on one of his guys.

[Kevin]

Im ok with this trade. Estrade is good enough to split time with Castro, and its good to see Omar finally give up on one of his guys.

All we needed was Estrada not to be Latin.. And Omar would have done a complete 180 here!

[Bulldogcakes]

All we needed was Estrada not to be Latin.. And Omar would have done a complete 180 here!

Its a Latin for Latin deal. Plus, he replaced an Italian. So its a net plus roster wise.

LOS METS BABY!!!

[Bossanova]

Its a Latin for Latin deal. Plus, he replaced an Italian. So its a net plus roster wise.

LOS METS BABY!!!

An Italianless team in Queens. Beautiful

[K.C.]

Mets just trade Mota for Brewer catcher Johnny Estrada

I like Estrada...saw him come up in the Phillies organization, and have kept tabs on him since he left years ago. He's better than a platoon guy with Castro.

He could be a pretty viable starter, actually.

That's a great deal for the Mets...Mota blows.

[CowCatPies]

Its a Latin for Latin deal. Plus, he replaced an Italian. So its a net plus roster wise.

LOS METS BABY!!!

I say Estrada is less Latin than Mota.. He is whiter, so Omar is starting to head in another direction..

[Bossanova]

I say Estrada is less Latin than Mota.. He is whiter, so Omar is starting to head in another direction..

HAHAHAHA

Lets slow down with Omar changing directions

[Bulldogcakes]

I say Estrada is less Latin than Mota.. He is whiter, so Omar is starting to head in another direction..

Call me when he signs David Eckstien

BTW-Hahahahah!! Nice sig pic!

[epo]

As a Brewer season ticket holder, I hope you enjoy Estrada more than we did. He spent the last season out-of-shape, injured and pretty much useless. I believe the stat was that Estrada only threw out 7% of attempted baserunners last season.

That being said, you only gave up Guillermo Mota.

[Kevin]

This seems to be Omar's M.O. Try to sign one shitty catcher.. Have the deal fall apart, and trade for another shitty catcher..

Same thing happened last time... Try to sign Benji Molina.. Deal fell apart, trade for Loduca..

[epo]

Also, I forgot Estrada is a dick too. He got in no less than 3 fights with his teammates last season.

[Bossanova]

Also, I forgot Estrada is a dick too. He got in no less than 3 fights with his teammates last season.

Shitty defense, so/so batting, and an asshole? So we basically got the Latino LoDuca then

[Kevin]

Shitty defense, so/so batting, and an asshole? So we basically got the Latino LoDuca then

I was going to say just that.. But i already said enough hurtful things to people tonight..

Edit: Fuck it.. All you guys need is for Estrada to cheat on his wife, while sweating out a horse race, and YOU WILL BE SET!

[Bossanova]

I was going to say just that.. But i already said enough hurtful things to people tonight..

Edit: Fuck it.. All you guys need is for Estrada to cheat on his wife, while sweating out a horse race, and YOU WILL BE SET!

HAHA, Estrada must get thrown out of at least 4 meaningful games in the 8th inning

[epo]

I keep thinking of negative things about Johnny Estrada...is that bad?

Anywho, he swings at every first pitch no matter where it is located. Hence the 12 walks in 442 ABs last season. (3 of those were intentional).

[Bossanova]

I keep thinking of negative things about Johnny Estrada...is that bad?

Anywho, he swings at every first pitch no matter where it is located. Hence the 12 walks in 442 ABs last season. (3 of those were intentional).

Oh yeah, well Mota can't throw a strike. And when he does it leaves the park. Its all good epo

[epo]

Oh yeah, well Mota can't throw a strike. And when he does it leaves the park. Its all good epo

Have you seen our bullpen? He'll fit right in!

[Bulldogcakes]

I keep thinking of negative things about Johnny Estrada...is that bad?

Anywho, he swings at every first pitch no matter where it is located. Hence the 12 walks in 442 ABs last season. (3 of those were intentional).

Teams usually don't trade catchers they like. They're too hard to find.

But then again, you gave up Mota.

[spadanko]

we filled a need by trading away that shit bag Mota... love this fucking deal

[BoondockSaint]

I just hope his brother Erik comes to games now.

[Kevin]

I just hope his brother Erik comes to games now.

Or his cousin Erestas

[BoondockSaint]

So, apparently the Mets might not even keep Estrada. Estrada is arbitration eligible. So Omar could go get a better #1 catcher and just not offer Estrada arbitration and he would have dumped Mota and his 3mil contract for nothing.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

So, apparently the Mets might not even keep Estrada. Estrada is arbitration eligible. So Omar could go get a better #1 catcher and just not offer Estrada arbitration and he would have dumped Mota and his 3mil contract for nothing.

was talking about this same subject earlier

I like it, Mota is Milwaukee's problem

:king:

[spadanko]

So, apparently the Mets might not even keep Estrada. Estrada is arbitration eligible. So Omar could go get a better #1 catcher and just not offer Estrada arbitration and he would have dumped Mota and his 3mil contract for nothing.

I am fine with that too... as long as they don't deal a big chip for a catcher. I have been saying ramon hernadez is our guy from the beginning...

[cougarjake13]

So, apparently the Mets might not even keep Estrada. Estrada is arbitration eligible. So Omar could go get a better #1 catcher and just not offer Estrada arbitration and he would have dumped Mota and his 3mil contract for nothing.

i'd be fine with that too

either way its win win

[cougarjake13]

Or his cousin Erestas

do you mean the former yankee, pirate and marlin

Orestes Destrade (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/destror01.shtml)

[BoondockSaint]

I am fine with that too... as long as they don't deal a big chip for a catcher. I have been saying ramon hernadez is our guy from the beginning...

Someone was on Mike and the Maddog yesterday before this happened saying that they had heard a rumor about Milledge and another player to the Nationals for Brian Schneider and Ryan Church. Fuck that. I think with Estrada Omar now has more leverage in going after a catcher because he doesn't absolutely need one.

[cougarjake13]

Someone was on Mike and the Maddog yesterday before this happened saying that they had heard a rumor about Milledge and another player to the Nationals for Brian Schneider and Ryan Church. Fuck that. I think with Estrada Omar now has more leverage in going after a catcher because he doesn't absolutely need one.

i wouldnt mind schnieder but not for milledge

[BoondockSaint]

do you mean the former yankee, pirate and marlin

Orestes Destrade (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/destror01.shtml)


Is that who he meant? I couldn't figure it out so I just left it there. What a maroon.

[BoondockSaint]

i wouldnt mind schnieder but not for milledge

Yeah, I like Schneider too but the price was way high.

[cougarjake13]

Is that who he meant? I couldn't figure it out so I just left it there. What a maroon.

thats the only person i could think ofthat he was thinking of

[Kevin]

Is that who he meant? I couldn't figure it out so I just left it there. What a maroon.

English, French.. Estrada Destrade.. Whats the diff.. Both gay, and Both Spanish.

[cougarjake13]

mets 2008 schedule (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/schedule/tentative.jsp?c_id=nym&year=2008)

[BoondockSaint]

mets 2008 schedule (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/schedule/tentative.jsp?c_id=nym&year=2008)

Why do they need a schedule when they shouldn't even bother playing next year according to M & the MD?

[Kevin]

Why do they need a schedule when they shouldn't even bother playing next year according to M & the MD?

Molva and the Medical Doctor??

[BoondockSaint]

Molva and the Medical Doctor??


This is no time to joke! The Yankees have signed A-Rod, Posada, and Rivera and are about to get Santana while the Mets have done nothing! And it's almost December! Woe is me!

[Kevin]

This is no time to joke! The Yankees have signed A-Rod, Posada, and Rivera and are about to get Santana while the Mets have done nothing! And it's almost December! Woe is me!

Well, there rumors of Octavio Dotel and Shawn Chacon... That would trump all of those Yankee moves..

[BoondockSaint]

Well, there rumors of Octavio Dotel and Shawn Chacon... That would trump all of those Yankee moves..


And Freddy Garcia!

But who cares about trumping the Yankees. I just want them to show up next year with a better team.

[Kevin]

And Freddy Garcia!

But who cares about trumping the Yankees. I just want them to show up next year with a better team.

This isn't the best of years to improve your team... The FA's suck.. And You basicaly have to give up your whole farm for a sp this year.. Outside of Arod.. There was nobody out there..

[BoondockSaint]

This isn't the best of years to improve your team... The FA's suck.. And You basicaly have to give up your whole farm for a sp this year.. Outside of Arod.. There was nobody out there..

No, I know. It just makes me laugh that they act like the Mets are done for the off-season. So far the Yankees have re-signed their own free agents at healthy raises. Can we get through the GM meetings and maybe until January before we start getting crazy about the Mets "doing nothing" this off-season. I don't think that they are going to make a blockbuster but can we wait and see what they actually do first?

[Kevin]

No, I know. It just makes me laugh that they act like the Mets are done for the off-season. So far the Yankees have re-signed their own free agents at healthy raises. Can we get through the GM meetings and maybe until January before we start getting crazy about the Mets "doing nothing" this off-season. I don't think that they are going to make a blockbuster but can we wait and see what they actually do first?

What do you expect from Molva and the Medical Doctor??

They thought Torre deserved to stay, and should have gotten a 3 year deal...

[BoondockSaint]

What do you expect from Molva and the Medical Doctor??

They thought Torre deserved to stay, and should have gotten a 3 year deal...


I wonder what Ben K. thinks of all this.

[Ritalin]

This is no time to joke! The Yankees have signed A-Rod, Posada, and Rivera and are about to get Santana while the Mets have done nothing! And it's almost December! Woe is me!

OK, I'll give you Mark Prior for Miledge.

Just think about it.

[Kevin]

I wonder what Ben K. thinks of all this.

He only has Yankee sources...

[Kevin]

OK, I'll give you Mark Prior for Miledge.

Just think about it.

you have like 85 of's

[chubbyknuckles]

you have like 85 of's

P{rior is gonna be part of the Cubs package for santana, milledge and beltran for the mets, cano and cabrera and kennedy for the yanks, but sadly i think the mets will get santana, who will be the NEW pedro for that team

[Kevin]

P{rior is gonna be part of the Cubs package for santana, milledge and beltran for the mets, cano and cabrera and kennedy for the yanks, but sadly i think the mets will get santana, who will be the NEW pedro for that team

what?

[NickyL0885]

P{rior is gonna be part of the Cubs package for santana, milledge and beltran for the mets, cano and cabrera and kennedy for the yanks, but sadly i think the mets will get santana, who will be the NEW pedro for that team

Yea ok....Mets are gonna trade Beltran....riiiiiiiiight

[Grendel_Kahn]

I have been a faithful Met fan my entire life. While the draft/trade/FA choices the Mets have made are not as bad as the Jets ( and lets be honest.....not much can compare with that level of incompetance) it does leave you to wonder why all the best players NEVER come to this team. Is it the Seaver curse? The only players to my mind the Mets traded for or signed as a free agent with any value are Tommie Agee, Kieth Hernandez, and Gary Carter. Those are players who had an impact on the team not just in their years but what they left behind. And truth be told for every one of them we have had a TON of Frank Viola, Bret Saberhagen, George Foster, Willie Mays, Moe Vaughn, Ricky Henderson, Robbie Alomar, Oral Hershiser. Yet the Yankees get EVERYBODY. Yes they spend more than anyone but they also MAKE more than anyone. Holy Christ it gets really discouraging. Make a statement every now and then. Please. Ship out Reyes and Millidge to the Twins and pick up Santana. He's Spanish. At least THAT fits the main criteria. Gotay or Gomez can fill in in both right and short so really........why not? Whatthey should have done was bit the bullet and signed A-ROD. Do the above deal and you are set. Martinez and Delgado and Glavin all come off the payroll this season or next so there is your window to sign them all. We would have had the ( most likely) home run king and a legit power hitter in the lineup, and a proven stud on the mound, as well as Wright and Beltran. Seriously. I might just switch. My daughter's middle name is Shaye, so it's not like I'm a fairwather. But I am so fucking tired year after fucking year with this loser team.:wallbash::furious:

[chubbyknuckles]

Yea ok....Mets are gonna trade Beltran....riiiiiiiiight

I can't see why they wouldn't, he's a soft player, who is NOT the guy they wanted, he's not a leader and he's not an everyday player, with all the constant injuries, get the value you can now, and the twins will take him, waaaaaaay more than Cano.

[Kevin]

I can't see why they wouldn't, he's a soft player, who is NOT the guy they wanted, he's not a leader and he's not an everyday player, with all the constant injuries, get the value you can now, and the twins will take him, waaaaaaay more than Cano.

Are you BDC X4??

Beltran makes like 18 mil?? Why the fuck would the twins tack on that money?? And Cano is a cheap 300+ hitting future 25+hr 2b.. And Kennedy was award minor leauge pitcher of the year.. How in the blue hell do you see that not being a better offer??

[BoondockSaint]

Beltran stinks! He only led the team in HRs and RBIs and won a gold glove this year. Why didn't he lead the team in batting average, too?

[Kevin]

Beltran stinks! He only led the team in HRs and RBIs and won a gold glove this year. Why didn't he lead the team in batting average, too?

He isn't 40+ he obviously does not fit the Mets plans..

[chubbyknuckles]

Are you BDC X4??

Beltran makes like 18 mil?? Why the fuck would the twins tack on that money?? And Cano is a cheap 300+ hitting future 25+hr 2b.. And Kennedy was award minor leauge pitcher of the year.. How in the blue hell do you see that not being a better offer??

1) Because the Mets would obviosuly pick up some of the contract, but beltran would still be their's, (also theres some other met prospect that is included in the deal, but i'm not going to the paper to look as i'm drinking and lazy) , 2)Cano is a good player, and kennedy is a blue chip pitcher, but relatively unproven, and HE CHOSE TO GET MARRIED RATHER THAN BE ON THE PLAYOFF ROSTER FOR THE YANKEES. Thats a slash on his record for the yanks. 3) Shea or Citibank, either one is a better pitchers park, than the dimensions of this or the future yankee stadium, so he could consider that , as he gets older, like a large amount of pitchers do.


But the mets are looking at Shawn Chacon, so who needs santana when you have Chacon, yeeeeeeeeesh!

[Kevin]

1) Because the Mets would obviosuly pick up some of the contract, but beltran would still be their's, (also theres some other met prospect that is included in the deal, but i'm not going to the paper to look as i'm drinking and lazy) , 2)Cano is a good player, and kennedy is a blue chip pitcher, but relatively unproven, and HE CHOSE TO GET MARRIED RATHER THAN BE ON THE PLAYOFF ROSTER FOR THE YANKEES. Thats a slash on his record for the yanks. 3) Shea or Citibank, either one is a better pitchers park, than the dimensions of this or the future yankee stadium, so he could consider that , as he gets older, like a large amount of pitchers do.


But the mets are looking at Shawn Chacon, so who needs santana when you have Chacon, yeeeeeeeeesh!

Your either fucking around, or bat shit retarded.


I am not sure which, at this point..

[chubbyknuckles]

Beltran stinks! He only led the team in HRs and RBIs and won a gold glove this year. Why didn't he lead the team in batting average, too?

So as a met fan, he's been worth that money, with his CONSTANT exagerated injuries, where he sits out waaaaay too long? He IS a phenominal talent, but is a streak player, if its him for a santana deal, you wouldnt take that?!

[BoondockSaint]

So as a met fan, he's been worth that money, with his CONSTANT exagerated injuries, where he sits out waaaaay too long? He IS a phenominal talent, but is a streak player, if its him for a santana deal, you wouldnt take that?!

He has a full no trade clause so he's never going to the Twins.

[chubbyknuckles]

Your either fucking around, or bat shit retarded.


I am not sure which, at this point..

Ok so, by omar's own comments, the only untouchable player is david wright, everyone else is up for trade talk/offers, and you wouldn't take Santana for beltran and the mets picking up the Cash? Thats fucking retarded, Santana is unbelievable, add to that he'd be switching to the NL. You have to take that.:wallbash:

[chubbyknuckles]

He has a full no trade clause so he's never going to the Twins.

Thats odd, because in all the ny papers thats the package they're putting together.Beltran+Money+the prospect. I'm not saying you wrong by any means, just surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

[BoondockSaint]

Thats odd, because in all the ny papers thats the package they're putting together.Beltran+Money+the prospect. I'm not saying you wrong by any means, just surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

Link to one of those articles, please.

[Kevin]

Thats odd, because in all the ny papers thats the package they're putting together.Beltran+Money+the prospect. I'm not saying you wrong by any means, just surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

Yea, because the twins want an over 30 cf and a prospect over a good young cf, a blue chip sp, and a good fielding decent hitting cf.. All making no money..


Thats really a no brainier..

And Kennedy went to his wedding because he was left off the post season roster. He was going to postpone the wedding.

[chubbyknuckles]

Link to one of those articles, please.

I actually read the paper, but i could scan some in if ya'd like.

[BoondockSaint]

I actually read the paper, but i could scan some in if ya'd like.

I read them everyday.

[Kevin]

I actually read the paper, but i could scan some in if ya'd like.

It better not be written in Crayon, with NY Post scribbled at the top.

[chubbyknuckles]

Yea, because the twins want an over 30 cf and a prospect over a good young cf, a blue chip sp, and a good fielding decent hitting cf.. All making no money..


Thats really a no brainier..

And Kennedy went to his wedding because he was left off the post season roster. He was going to postpone the wedding.

Yeah because a guy who's a prospect always pans out, i can run down a list of yankees pitching prospects, namely Brandon Clauseen, who they held onto for years that bombed as a pro. And now, if your debate is melky or beltran.....? i'll move on, then , i'm assuming on of the cf's you mentioned, was intended to be a 2b?

[Kevin]

Ok so, by omar's own comments, the only untouchable player is david wright, everyone else is up for trade talk/offers, and you wouldn't take Santana for beltran and the mets picking up the Cash? Thats fucking retarded, Santana is unbelievable, add to that he'd be switching to the NL. You have to take that.:wallbash:

WHY WOULD THE FUCKING TWINS WANT THAT??

We are not arguing if the Mets would do it.. They would drive beltran and miladge to Minnesota!

[chubbyknuckles]

It better not be written in Crayon, with NY Post scribbled at the top.

Now oif i could afford crayon, would i be here

[Kevin]

Yeah because a guy who's a prospect always pans out, i can run down a list of yankees pitching prospects, namely Brandon Clauseen, who they held onto for years that bombed as a pro. And now, if your debate is melky or beltran.....? i'll move on, then , i'm assuming on of the cf's you mentioned, was intended to be a 2b?

Yea, because Kennedy looked terrible with his Era under 2, when he was up in the majors. Clausen was never rated in the top 10 prospects, let alone #1

[Ritalin]

Ok, how about his one: David Wright for Ted Lilly.

Just think about it.

[chubbyknuckles]

WHY WOULD THE FUCKING TWINS WANT THAT??

We are not arguing if the Mets would do it.. They would drive beltran and miladge to Minnesota!

Because you HAD to yell:

Because the Twins don't spend money, and they have admitted they wouldn't bother trying to resign Santana, so get for him what you can, and Beltran at a discount and a prospect, for a guy whos publicly said he's disgusted with his team, seems reasonable to them. More possible than the yankeees supposed package


I'm not saying it's going to go through, but thats the suspected offer.

[chubbyknuckles]

Ok, how about his one: David Wright for Ted Lilly.

Just think about it.

Now thats rediculous, as big a ted lilly fan as i am

[Kevin]

Ok, how about his one: David Wright for Ted Lilly.

Just think about it.

re acquire Joe Borowski and include him in the deal, and i think that would work..

[Ritalin]

WHY WOULD THE FUCKING TWINS WANT THAT??

We are not arguing if the Mets would do it.. They would drive beltran and miladge to Minnesota!

Because you HAD to yell:

Because the Twins don't spend money, and they have admitted they wouldn't bother trying to resign Santana, so get for him what you can, and Beltran at a discount and a prospect, for a guy whos publicly said he's disgusted with his team, seems reasonable to them. More possible than the yankeees supposed package


I'm not saying it's going to go through, but thats the suspected offer.

Hey, this really IS the Mets thread.

Sounds like the clubhouse this past September in here.

[Kevin]

Hey, this really IS the Mets thread.

Sounds like the clubhouse this past September in here.

We just need someone play the part of Tom Glavine and lock this thread..

[chubbyknuckles]

Hey, this really IS the Mets thread.

Sounds like the clubhouse this past September in here.

indeed it does, minus the pause periods for translation to glavine and wright.




I'm really not trying to be a prick, i'm just saying what i read in terms of trade packages being put together for santana, sorry for the uproar

[Kevin]

indeed it does, minus the pause periods for translation to glavine and wright.




I'm really not trying to be a prick, i'm just saying what i read in terms of trade packages being put together for santana, sorry for the uproar

Your playing the part of Rickey Henderson..

No one understands a thing you say.

[chubbyknuckles]

Your playing the part of Rickey Henderson..

No one understands a thing you say.

So who would you trade to get santana?

[Kevin]

So who would you trade to get santana?

If we are not living in chubbyknuckles earth 15 world..

It would take At least pelfry lastings and humber.. And that would happen ONLY if the Yankees Sox and Dodgers are completely out.

[BoondockSaint]

If we are not living in chubbyknuckles earth 15 world..

It would take At least pelfry lastings and humber.. And that would happen ONLY if the Yankees Sox and Dodgers are completely out.


If I'm the Twins it starts with Reyes.

[Kevin]

If I'm the Twins it starts with Reyes.

Well, yea.. If you include him, then your definitely in the mix. With a pretty good shot at landing him.

[chubbyknuckles]

If we are not living in chubbyknuckles earth 15 world..

It would take At least pelfry lastings and humber.. And that would happen ONLY if the Yankees Sox and Dodgers are completely out.

And the mets wouldnt make that much of a trade unless Steve Phillips gets the job for the day

[chubbyknuckles]

Well, yea.. If you include him, then your definitely in the mix. With a pretty good shot at landing him.

I get the fact he could be trade bait, but regardless of how bad he played in the second half last year, he's unbelievable, can't trade him

[Kevin]

And the mets wouldnt make that much of a trade unless Steve Phillips gets the job for the day

Omar wouldn't allow the GM to finish the R in Humber. Thats how fast he would say yes to that deal. Pelfrys stock felll waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down this year, with the way he pitched in the majors.

[Kevin]

I get the fact he could be trade bait, but regardless of how bad he played in the second half last year, he's unbelievable, can't trade him

I am not sure if id trade him either, but if you were gunna, it would only be for Santana..

[chubbyknuckles]

Omar wouldn't allow the GM to finish the R in Humber. Thats how fast he would say yes to that deal. Pelfrys stock felll waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down this year, with the way he pitched in the majors.

i know the guys the red sox are talking are lester, ellsbury,or buckholz. Which, they won't need to dump all, by any means, but the twins will need a name to draw(which they'd have in beltran)

[Kevin]

i know the guys the red sox are talking are lester, ellsbury,or buckholz. Which, they won't need to dump all, by any means, but the twins will need a name to draw(which they'd have in beltran)

They aren't looking to draw.. The owner is cheap. He is looking to deal and get cheap top prospects.. He is perfectly happy with taking Yanks Luxury tax money and putting it in his pocket.

[chubbyknuckles]

They aren't looking to draw.. The owner is cheap. He is looking to deal and get cheap top prospects.. He is perfectly happy with taking Yanks Luxury tax money and putting it in his pocket.

You have to draw, unless your the marlins owner, and you take all your cues form "Major Leagues". He reallly does try to deplete that team at every single chance he gets.

[BeerBandit]

Because you HAD to yell:

Because the Twins don't spend money, and they have admitted they wouldn't bother trying to resign Santana, so get for him what you can, and Beltran at a discount and a prospect, for a guy whos publicly said he's disgusted with his team, seems reasonable to them. More possible than the yankeees supposed package


I'm not saying it's going to go through, but thats the suspected offer.

Beltran at a discount is Torii Hunter, and they let him go. The Twins are not taking Beltran, and I wouldn't want to get rid of him. I'd rather have him than Gomez or Milledge roaming Centerfield.

And I don't think it would take more than Heilman to grab Prior from the Twins. I've said it before, if someone wants you middle relief, give it to them.

[tbagnu]

Hey!! how 'bout billy boy wagner stirring up his shit like he did!!..what an effin' loser!!! i am soooooo glad the phils let him go!!!:clap:

[Kevin]

Hey!! how 'bout billy boy wagner stirring up his shit like he did!!..what an effin' loser!!! i am soooooo glad the phils let him go!!!:clap:

The only fault i find in that artical is that he did not bash his boy Glavine for basicaly mailing it in after his 300th.. He held everyone accountable, which i have no probs with. But you gotta bash him too..

[Kevin]

Dummy Omar was going to give Torealba almost 15 for 3.. he only got 7 for 2 from Rado.

[BoondockSaint]

Dummy Omar was going to give Torealba almost 15 for 3.. he only got 7 for 2 from Rado.

You tend to get less when you can't pass a physical for another team.

[Kevin]

You tend to get less when you can't pass a physical for another team.

Good point..

[cougarjake13]

i like estrada but rumors are we may go after hernandez from balt

[NickyL0885]

Mets have Traded Lastings Milledge to the Nationals for Brian Scheinder and Ryan Church as per Chris Russo on WFAN. :wallbash:

[bigtim666]

Not to bad

[BeerBandit]

I'll take it. Now let's turn Church around with Pelfrey and Carp to get Santana.

[BoondockSaint]

That's all you can get for Milledge? I'd rather go into the season with Milledge/Estrada than Church/Schnieder. Hopefully Omar has something else lined up.

[BoondockSaint]

And two white guys? What's up with that?

[Doogie]

Ill tell you why I dont like this trade. Milledge might have of been brash. He might have of been cocky. But he did show signs of brilliance and I think getting rid of him might bite them in the ass later on. Milledge could have of been part of a core of new cocky young players along the lines of Strawberry, Mitchell, and McDowell were for the '86 Mets. Time will tell if I am right or wrong.

[foodcourtdruide]

Ill tell you why I dont like this trade. Milledge might have of been brash. He might have of been cocky. But he did show signs of brilliance and I think getting rid of him might bite them in the ass later on. Milledge could have of been part of a core of new cocky young players along the lines of Strawberry, Mitchell, and McDowell were for the '86 Mets. Time will tell if I am right or wrong.

I wouldn't go that far. I think he has potential, but I'd be shocked if he was ever a brilliant player. I'm not crazy about this trade. I don't think Church is that great. I have a feeling this trade is setting up something else.

[chubbyknuckles]

I wouldn't go that far. I think he has potential, but I'd be shocked if he was ever a brilliant player. I'm not crazy about this trade. I don't think Church is that great. I have a feeling this trade is setting up something else.

I'D SAY THE SAME BECAUSE MILLEDGE WAS A COMMODETY FOR THE METS IN TRADES, SO THIS IS DEF A SET UP

[Doogie]

Keyword is signs. Lets face the facts about something, it is rare anymore to allow a gritty player with some talent develop anymore. I always think about a Kevin Mitchell and how the Mets got rid of him. Yes they blamed him for Doc's and Darryl's problems, but they also lost a gutsy player too. Now Milledge is no where the ballplayer that Mitchell was, but with a lil work he could have of been something good.

I guess I get a lil upset when I see a team trade away their youth. That bothers me more than anything. And also Milledge could have of been bait for Santana too. At least go for the blues. Fuck the sand sharks.

[K.C.]

I'D SAY THE SAME BECAUSE MILLEDGE WAS A COMMODETY FOR THE METS IN TRADES, SO THIS IS DEF A SET UP

You know, I'm not surprised this is all that Milledge brought back, and I'd be pretty positive this was the best offer the Mets could have got for him by far, because if Milledge were to become a star, and a cornerstone piece for a division rival for the next 15 years, Omar Minaya would be cruicified.

As a rule of thumb, you don't trade with division rivals unless it's far and away the best deal.

But back to my point, the reason I'm not surprised this is all Milledge brought in is because the view of him in New York is much different then the read us outsiders have kind of gotten on him. I think he's a guy with great physical tools and maybe the worst baseball sense of anyone I've seen in a while. And at the end of the day, if that's what he ends up being, he's not going to be a particularly great player.

Church is a scrappy player, and Schneider is a good signal caller. It would not shock me, though is Church is flipped in another trade, or this is the precursor to the Mets making a run at Rowand or Andruw Jones.

[Bossanova]

The harsh fact is that Milledge was shopped to many teams and this was the best that was offered. He may have talent, but he is not respected in his own clubhouse by the manager or the GM. No other GM is going to take on a guy the Minaya hated. Many teams also didn't like the shit he pulled against the Marlins in the final weekend. I am not a fan of the deal, but Lastings hurt his on worth.

[badorties]

in previous years, was there a big trade that the mets didn't pull off for milleridge ...?

[Bossanova]

I don't know about BIG trades, but they always refused to trade him till last year

[K.C.]

in previous years, was there a big trade that the mets didn't pull off for milleridge ...?

If you believe the rumors, when Oakland broke up their big three, Hudson, Mulder, and Zito were all linked with the Mets involving Milledge.

[Bossanova]

I heard Omar on Mike and the Maddog and he said that he got Schneider for his defense. He hopes that a good defensive catcher would help land a big time pitcher. He also said that Church would be the starting right fielder ( for what his word is worth before the meetings)

[lleeder]

in previous years, was there a big trade that the mets didn't pull off for milleridge ...?

I don't know about milleridge but they held onto Milledge for a long time before trading him.

[cougarjake13]

And two white guys? What's up with that?

i was shocked but its prob a set up deal to get ramon hernandez and insert spanish oriole pitcher here

[cougarjake13]

in previous years, was there a big trade that the mets didn't pull off for milleridge ...?

If you believe the rumors, when Oakland broke up their big three, Hudson, Mulder, and Zito were all linked with the Mets involving Milledge.

yeh the popular one was milledge and heilman for zito

[chubbyknuckles]

You know, I'm not surprised this is all that Milledge brought back, and I'd be pretty positive this was the best offer the Mets could have got for him by far, because if Milledge were to become a star, and a cornerstone piece for a division rival for the next 15 years, Omar Minaya would be cruicified.

As a rule of thumb, you don't trade with division rivals unless it's far and away the best deal.

But back to my point, the reason I'm not surprised this is all Milledge brought in is because the view of him in New York is much different then the read us outsiders have kind of gotten on him. I think he's a guy with great physical tools and maybe the worst baseball sense of anyone I've seen in a while. And at the end of the day, if that's what he ends up being, he's not going to be a particularly great player.

Church is a scrappy player, and Schneider is a good signal caller. It would not shock me, though is Church is flipped in another trade, or this is the precursor to the Mets making a run at Rowand or Andruw Jones.

Jones has been turning down one year deal offers, and how much would the mets drop on him? Last year was horrible for him, but before last year he was an unbelievable player

[K.C.]

yeh the popular one was milledge and heilman for zito

I remember that one...it was the same asking price for Hudson too. Billy Beane has always had a hard-on for Aaron Heilman, although he's supposedly really soured on Milledge, which is why I assume they didn't keep him for their play to get Danny Haren.

I think right before the '05 season, there was a strong Utley for Hudson rumor going around here.

And then before the Ed Wade got fired at the end of that season when they still had Thome, there was a strong Howard for Zito rumor.




Honestly, if the Mets could pull it off, they should focus on two moves.

1) Gomez and Humber to the Twins for Joe Nathan

2) Pelfry, Heilman, and Fernando Martinez to As for Danny Haren.

It strips bare a lot of the system, but the Mets are a team built to win now. You can deal with the lost of both Pelfry and Humber because you have Haren under long-term contract.
Heilman's expendable too because you add Nathan as an upgrade, and you're bringing back Duaner Sanchez this year. And you can make Gomez and Martinez expendable because Beltran and Church are still relatively young, and won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

[K.C.]

Jones has been turning down one year deal offers, and how much would the mets drop on him? Last year was horrible for him, but before last year he was an unbelievable player

The Andruw Jones thing has actually been pretty amazing to watch. Boras is trying desperately to get him over $100 million for five years.

Torii Hunter got $90 mil over five....and if you've been following the story, GMs almost to a man were saying a few weeks ago that Hunter's the more valuable all around player at this point in their careers.

I really think Andruw's screwed himself pretty badly. He was a lock something like a 6 yr, $120+ mil contract a couple years ago. Now...I think he falls right in the ballpark of Hunter's contract.

I don't know if it's a great fit for the Mets...you'd have to make sure Beltran would move to RF. Rowand might be the better fit.


The problem with both is that Andruw, even though he's still relatively young, he looks like an old man, just in the way he walks and plays. He's been in the league since he was 19, so I think all these years are starting to take its toll. It's a real gamble whether he'll ever regains his form.

With Rowand, the way he plays, he's not going to survive a 5-6 year contract, which he'll surely get.

[BoondockSaint]

There’s a chance that the Mets may re-think their reluctance to add shortstop Jose Reyes to a deal because they are desperate for starting pitching. If Reyes becomes available, look for the Mets to surge in this race. I’ve been told the Twins would prefer to send Santana to a National League team. Santana would like the N.L. so he can hit. (http://www.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=279)

I'd hate to see Jose go. I don't think I'd make the trade.

[BeerBandit]

There’s a chance that the Mets may re-think their reluctance to add shortstop Jose Reyes to a deal because they are desperate for starting pitching. If Reyes becomes available, look for the Mets to surge in this race. I’ve been told the Twins would prefer to send Santana to a National League team. Santana would like the N.L. so he can hit. (http://www.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=279)

I'd hate to see Jose go. I don't think I'd make the trade.

If it's Reyes for Santana straight up, you have to do this. We're talking about THE best pitcher in baseball. I know Reyes brings a lot to the table, but make this deal, then go out and sign Eckstein, and I think we come out ahead.

[BoondockSaint]

If it's Reyes for Santana straight up, you have to do this. We're talking about THE best pitcher in baseball. I know Reyes brings a lot to the table, but make this deal, then go out and sign Eckstein, and I think we come out ahead.

It wouldn't be straight up.

[NickyL0885]

Reyes, with Wright, is the franchise. You CANNOT trade him. Who is the SS then? Eckstein? yea...ok........b/c there wouldnt be ANY drop off. THe only thing that could make sense is Anderson Hernandez. Only b/c he is a bit better defensively and runs just as fast as reyes. He would just need to learn to hit. I know Wright is more considered the Face of the team but come on......what if he goes down to injury? now, u have neither of them. Reyes is a catalyst. As he goes, so do the mets.

[NickyL0885]

Just fucking get Dan Haren. Geezzz. Hes younger and is under control till 2010. Trade Hielmann, Humber, and Gomez.

[Bossanova]

I still don't understand why everyone is so high on Eckstien. And I am sick of hearing about his grit .

[BoondockSaint]

Just fucking get Dan Haren. Geezzz. Hes younger and is under control till 2010. Trade Hielmann, Humber, and Gomez.


It's going to take more than that to get Haren. Whoever loses out on Santana between the Sox and Yanks will be going after Haren.

[Kevin]

Just fucking get Dan Haren. Geezzz. Hes younger and is under control till 2010. Trade Hielmann, Humber, and Gomez.

There is only one lil prob with that.. The loser of the Santana... San Duski.. Santina, San Gria.. Santino.. thing is going to want Haran.. And The Mets can not match either teams..

Beat me to it Boony.. But mine was more creative!

[cougarjake13]

Mets 2008 Spring Training schedule


Date Opponent Location Time (ET)

Feb. 26 University of Michigan Port St. Lucie 12 p.m.
Feb. 27 Detroit Tigers Lakeland 1:05 p.m.
Feb. 28 St. Louis Cardinals Jupiter 1:05 p.m.
Feb. 29 St. Louis Cardinals Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.

March 1 Los Angeles Dodgers Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 2 Los Angeles Dodgers Vero Beach 1:05 p.m.
March 3 Atlanta Braves Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 4 Florida Marlins Jupiter 1:05 p.m.
March 5 Los Angeles Dodgers Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 6 Washington Nationals Viera 1:05 p.m.
March 7 Cleveland Indians Winter Haven 1:05 p.m.
March 8 (SS) Florida Marlins Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
(SS) Baltimore Orioles Fort Lauderdale 1:05 p.m.

March 9 Houston Astros Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 10 Boston Red Sox Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 11 Boston Red Sox Ft. Myers 1:05 p.m.
March 12 Baltimore Orioles Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 13 St. Louis Cardinals Jupiter 1:05 p.m.
March 14 Florida Marlins Jupiter 1:05 p.m.
March 15 St. Louis Cardinals Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 16 (SS) Detroit Tigers Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
(SS) Houston Astros Kissimmee 1:05 p.m.

March 17 Washington Nationals Viera 1:05 p.m.
March 18 Off day
March 19 Cleveland Indians Port St. Lucie 7:10 p.m.
March 20 Baltimore Orioles Port St. Lucie 7:10 p.m.
March 21 Washington Nationals Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 22 Cleveland Indians Winter Haven 1:05 p.m.
March 23 St. Louis Cardinals Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.

March 24 Baltimore Orioles Fort Lauderdale 1:05 p.m.
March 25 Atlanta Braves Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 26 Florida Marlins Port St. Lucie 1:10 p.m.
March 27 Atlanta Braves Orlando 1:05 p.m.
March 28 Baltimore Orioles Fort Lauderdale 1:05 p.m.

[cougarjake13]

Honestly, if the Mets could pull it off, they should focus on two moves.

1) Gomez and Humber to the Twins for Joe Nathan

2) Pelfry, Heilman, and Fernando Martinez to As for Danny Haren.

It strips bare a lot of the system, but the Mets are a team built to win now. You can deal with the lost of both Pelfry and Humber because you have Haren under long-term contract.
Heilman's expendable too because you add Nathan as an upgrade, and you're bringing back Duaner Sanchez this year. And you can make Gomez and Martinez expendable because Beltran and Church are still relatively young, and won't be going anywhere anytime soon.


i like the haren trade but i cant see giving up huber and gomez for nathan to just be an 8th inning guy

i guess we could keep him in that role for a year and then let wagner go and move him back to closer

[cougarjake13]

There is only one lil prob with that.. The loser of the Santana... San Duski.. Santina, San Gria.. Santino.. thing is going to want Haran.. And The Mets can not match either teams..

Beat me to it Boony.. But mine was more creative!

thats why we have to overwhelm beane before santana gets traded

only prob is he prob thinks santana is definitely gonna get dealt and theres no hurry for him to make a move yet

[Kevin]

thats why we have to overhelm beane before santana gets traded

only prob is he prob thinks santana is definitely gonna get dealt and theres no hurry for him to make a move yet

No way beane is making a move knowing that he has a desperate Santana sweepstakes loser with a much better farm, waiting in the wings..

[cougarjake13]

No way beane is making a move knowing that he has a desperate Santana sweepstakes loser with a much better farm, waiting in the wings..

yeh i thought about that after thats why i added that second part


either way i think its gonna be tough for the mets to get either guy unless reyes is involved

[Kevin]

yeh i thought about that after thats why i added that second part


either way i think its gonna be tough for the mets to get either guy unless reyes is involved

Yea, if they weren't gunna give him up for Santana, they are definitely not for Haren..

[cougarjake13]

Yea, if they weren't gunna give him up for Santana, they are definitely not for Haren..

yeh no way for haren

[BoondockSaint]

i like the haren trade but i cant see giving up huber and gomez for nathan to just be an 8th inning guy

i guess we could keep him in that role for a year and then let wagner go and move him back to closer

I think Wagner has 2 years left and Nathan is 33. They'll be looking for another closer by then.

[Kevin]

I think Wagner has 2 years left and Nathan is 33. They'll be looking for another closer by then.

Yea, Wagner signd 4 yrs in 05 so its 2 yrs.. Jesus where the fuck has the time gone?? I was so shocked to hear Glavine pitched for you guys 5 freakin years..

[cougarjake13]

Yea, Wagner signd 4 yrs in 05 so its 2 yrs.. Jesus where the fuck has the time gone?? I was so shocked to hear Glavine pitched for you guys 5 freakin years..

if he signed it in 05 that means 05, 06, 07 he pitched for the mets

but he signed in 06 so there is 2 yrs left 08, and 09

[BoondockSaint]

Yea, Wagner signd 4 yrs in 05 so its 2 yrs.. Jesus where the fuck has the time gone?? I was so shocked to hear Glavine pitched for you guys 5 freakin years..

So, you and Billy have been annoying me for the same amount of time? It seems like you've been doing it for much, much longer.

[Kevin]

So, you and Billy have been annoying me for the same amount of time? It seems like you've been doing it for much, much longer.

I blow just as many lines as he does saves..

[K.C.]

It's looking more and more like Haren is their last chance to add a top of the line starter, and Billy Beane will demand the whole farm once the rest of the starters are gone.

D-Train is gone, and Santana seems like a two-horse race right now, unless Omar hits the panic button and makes the completely ridiculous mistake of trading Reyes to get him.

If I had to guess right now, the Mets are looking at a Hernandez brother family reunion; Livan and Orlando, back together again...I'm not knocking it...it's still better than Adam Eaton.

And then they'd probably work the spin that with Pedro back, they don't need a #1 starter (half true...he's still got fantastic stuff...but will he hold up a full season?), and that Oliver Perez has #1 stuff if he fixes his control (true, but who can work that miracle?)

[Snoogans]

nice job mets, you have shawn green, and just traded for an OF who hates jews

[BoondockSaint]

nice job mets, you have shawn green, and just traded for an OF who hates jews

Shawn Green's contract was up and he won't be re-signed.

[Snoogans]

dammit. Isnt Schneider jewish. Somehow this is gonna become a problem. Its the mets

[Kevin]

Shawn Green's contract was up and he won't be re-signed.

isn't Schnider a Jew??

[BoondockSaint]

isn't Schnider a Jew??

I'm not sure but they've been teammates for a few years now.

[Kevin]

I'm not sure but they've been teammates for a few years now.

I smell locker burning!!!

[NickyL0885]

Well, according to MetBlog, O's turned down Gomez, Humber and Hielmann for Bedard. Oy.....we are looking at Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque and Either Livan or Pelfrey as our rotations. Of course, Omar will spin it an say hes fine with that rotations an talk about how Maine and Perez both won 15, and Pedro for a full yr.....oy vei.

[spadanko]

GET IT DONE OMAR... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/spadanko/metbedard.jpg

[Kevin]

GET IT DONE OMAR... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/spadanko/metbedard.jpg

http://www.aquapress.co.uk/scripts/viewmri.dll/~aquapress/09221.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

Well, according to MetBlog, O's turned down Gomez, Humber and Hielmann for Bedard. Oy.....we are looking at Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque and Either Livan or Pelfrey as our rotations. Of course, Omar will spin it an say hes fine with that rotations an talk about how Maine and Perez both won 15, and Pedro for a full yr.....oy vei.

What would you like Omar to say? "Our rotation stinks." And it's not like Omar has the chips to compete with what other teams have offered for some of the front line starters. It is what it is.

[Kevin]

What would you like Omar to say? "Our rotation stinks." And it's not like Omar has the chips to compete with what other teams have offered for some of the front line starters. It is what it is.

He wishes Omar was more like Hank... A blithering Idiot, who can't shut up..

[NickyL0885]

Id say blow it up an rebuild. trade delgado, alou, anyone but Wright Reyes and Beltran. get prospects. Im liking what i hear about Mulvey. People say hes better then Pelfrey and Humber. Not a power arm but location guy with good pitches. Who knows. maybe Pelfrey pitches like he did when he came back up towards the end and won 3 games in a row. He has the stuff to be good but...confidense is lacking in his pitches.

[BoondockSaint]

He wishes Omar was more like Hank... A blithering Idiot, who can't shut up..

It has gone pretty fast from the Steinbrenner sons having no interest in the team to the Swindal divorce to Hank running everything.

[BoondockSaint]

Id say blow it up an rebuild. trade delgado, alou, anyone but Wright Reyes and Beltran. get prospects. Im liking what i hear about Mulvey. People say hes better then Pelfrey and Humber. Not a power arm but location guy with good pitches. Who knows. maybe Pelfrey pitches like he did when he came back up towards the end and won 3 games in a row. He has the stuff to be good but...confidense is lacking in his pitches.

Here's how you trade Delgado and Alou: Pick up 99.9% of their salaries and take back a semi-bad contract. No one is going to take them.

[BeerBandit]

Well, according to MetBlog, O's turned down Gomez, Humber and Hielmann for Bedard. Oy.....we are looking at Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque and Either Livan or Pelfrey as our rotations. Of course, Omar will spin it an say hes fine with that rotations an talk about how Maine and Perez both won 15, and Pedro for a full yr.....oy vei.


Fuck Baltimore. Bedard is not worth Gomez, Humber and Heilman. He's had two good years. I would rather sign Livan, who throws 10 innings a game, then overpay for this Canuck. He wants to go to Toronto anyway.

Hey Omar, the Giants need some offense, how about Gomez and Gotay for Lincecum or Cain?

[chubbyknuckles]

Fuck Baltimore. Bedard is not worth Gomez, Humber and Heilman. He's had two good years. I would rather sign Livan, who throws 10 innings a game, then overpay for this Canuck. He wants to go to Toronto anyway.

Hey Omar, the Giants need some offense, how about Gomez and Gotay for Lincecum or Cain?

The talk right now is lincecum for Rios, which i still don't get

[BeerBandit]

The talk right now is lincecum for Rios, which i still don't get

Yeah, I dont' get that either. I've never been sold on Rios. He's an American League Ryan Church who can't field.

[BeerBandit]

Yeah, I dont' get that either. I've never been sold on Rios. He's an American League Ryan Church who can't field.

They're also saying that the Mets are interested in AJ Burnett. Bad news. This guy reeks of not being able to handle NY. He reminds me of Jeff Weaver. Bad attitude and shows it on the mound when he's getting hit.

[bigtim666]

AJ blows

[K.C.]

The talk right now is lincecum for Rios, which i still don't get

Lincecum's stock has actually gone down a bit because of last year. A lot of the scouts say he has such a volatile deliver that there's no way he holds up long-term unless he totally changes his mechanics.

[Doogie]

They're also saying that the Mets are interested in AJ Burnett. Bad news. This guy reeks of not being able to handle NY. He reminds me of Jeff Weaver. Bad attitude and shows it on the mound when he's getting hit.

So basically tehy want to get Burnett back as they traded him away several years ago. I would rather them try to get another kid back whos name was Kazimir.

[BeerBandit]

Lincecum's stock has actually gone down a bit because of last year. A lot of the scouts say he has such a volatile deliver that there's no way he holds up long-term unless he totally changes his mechanics.

Those scouts are Panicky Petes. Roy Oswalt's got one of the most violent deliveries I've ever seen, short of a closer, and he's never had arm troubles. And I certainly don't remember Mark Prior having a violent delivery but that guy can't stay on the mound.

[EddieMoscone]

Lincecum's stock has actually gone down a bit because of last year. A lot of the scouts say he has such a volatile deliver that there's no way he holds up long-term unless he totally changes his mechanics.

That's the reason the Mets traded Kazmir...great move so far.

[NickyL0885]

WFAN said Mets willing to trade Reyes for Santana. Look, I want Johan but NOT for Jose. WHO THE F*CK IS GOING TO REPLACE HIM???? ECKSTEIN????? HELL NO!!!! THIS TEAM CAN HAVE THE BEST PITCHING, BUT IF YOU HAVE NO LEADOFF HITTER, YOUR SCREWED!!!!! who else can turn doubles into triples? huh? singles into doubles, steal 60+ bases etc. oy vei.....i hate this team.....

[spadanko]

WFAN said Mets willing to trade Reyes for Santana. Look, I want Johan but NOT for Jose. WHO THE F*CK IS GOING TO REPLACE HIM???? ECKSTEIN????? HELL NO!!!! THIS TEAM CAN HAVE THE BEST PITCHING, BUT IF YOU HAVE NO LEADOFF HITTER, YOUR SCREWED!!!!! who else can turn doubles into triples? huh? singles into doubles, steal 60+ bases etc. oy vei.....i hate this team.....

reyes is not going anywhere... when did they say that? I think they said, most people feel the only way they can get him is to deal reyes.


Omar said numerous times he is not dealing him

[NickyL0885]

reyes is not going anywhere... when did they say that? I think they said, most people feel the only way they can get him is to deal reyes.


Omar said numerous times he is not dealing him

They said it during a 20/20 update. Regardless, I dont want to see this kid traded. It be worse then Kazmir, even if u got Johan back.

[BoondockSaint]

From MLB Trade Rumors:

Santana/Reyes/Haren Blockbuster In The Works?
Just got an incredible rumor from a trusted New York sportswriter. Stay with me, because this one's crazy. But rest assured that if the source wasn't good, I wouldn't post it.

Minnesota has initiated talks for a three-way blockbuster with the Twins and A's. Here's how it would go down:

Mets send Jose Reyes, Kevin Mulvey, and Hector Pellot to A's
A's send Bobby Crosby and Dan Johnson to Mets
A's send Dan Haren to Twins
Twins send Johan Santana to Mets

Mets get Johan Santana, Bobby Crosby and Dan Johnson
A's get Jose Reyes and Kevin Mulvey
Twins get Dan Haren and Hector Pellot

The source says Haren is exactly the type of player the Twins want for Santana, a cheap frontline starter. It's known the Mets would hate to deal Reyes but they would get some value beyond Santana. Billy Beane is happy because he gets Reyes for one more year than he had Haren plus longtime favorite Mulvey. And, he's out of Crosby's contract.

[spadanko]

was just going to post this... i don't know man.. i don't think you can do it

[NickyL0885]

Damn you boony! beat me too it. But yea.....I dunno. Im kinda ehhh on that deal. Crosby, if played to his potential is awesome. But he cant stay healthy!!!!!!! hmmm All I know is.....they better draft a SS in the draft with that pick they got from the Braves. Pick 17 i believe. Either that or make Anderson Hernandez a SS an pray he learns to hit one day. no dropoff from reyes in terms of speed an better defense.

[K.C.]

Damn you boony! beat me too it. But yea.....I dunno. Im kinda ehhh on that deal. Crosby, if played to his potential is awesome. But he cant stay healthy!!!!!!! hmmm All I know is.....they better draft a SS in the draft with that pick they got from the Braves. Pick 17 i believe. Either that or make Anderson Hernandez a SS an pray he learns to hit one day. no dropoff from reyes in terms of speed an better defense.

It'd be a ridiculous move for the Mets to make. Santana's great, but Reyes is an MVP candidate for the next 15 years....and he's locked up. Even if you get Santana you're going to have to give him over $20 million, probably closer to 25 per year.

Crosby and Johnson are just average throw ins.

As a fan of a rival team, I hope to god they make that deal. From a baseball sense though, that's the kind of deal that sinks GMs.

I have no doubt the A's would jump on that deal immediately.

[BoondockSaint]

Sweeny was just on the FAN saying that there's a possibility that the Mets could get Willis from the Tigers but they would have to take Pudge Rodriguez and his 13mil back. Interesting. He hadn't heard anything about what the Mets would have to give up but with all that money, plus they both had down years last year, it shouldn't be too much. And you know Pudge is going to be in that steroid report.

I also read that LoDuca was close to signing a one year deal with the Blue Jays to be their back-up. Something is going on with him.

[BoondockSaint]

Update from MLB Trade Rumors:

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 5:45pm: Billy Beane, who rarely comments on trade rumors, actually went out of his way to call mine below a "total fabrication." I guess I should be proud, right? It sounds like I was the victim of an elaborate hoax/impersonated sportswriter. If so I apologize - not sure why someone would go to such lengths, but lesson learned.

[NickyL0885]

metsblog saying twins will listen to the mets but may have to include oliver perez in there offer. hmmm. id prob do it.

[spadanko]

metsblog saying twins will listen to the mets but may have to include oliver perez in there offer. hmmm. id prob do it.

i would do it. Ollie is a free agent next season and a boras client. Also, omar spoke to andrew marchant of 1050 and he told him again that Reyes was not getting dealt

as for dealing ollie, like i said i'd make the move... leave our rotation with

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Move Heilman in (if he does not get traded)
sign livan, silva, or start Humber.... because i assume pelfrey would go also.

i think it is an intriguing move. Plus you got CC hitting free agency next season, as well as Brad penny

[BoondockSaint]

metsblog saying twins will listen to the mets but may have to include oliver perez in there offer. hmmm. id prob do it.

In a heartbeat.

[NickyL0885]

Id do both the Santana-perez deal and the tigers deal. i mean......Santan, Pedro, Willis, Maine and Hielmann/pelfrey/hernandez........to qoute someone: DAMN!

[cougarjake13]

Id do both the Santana-perez deal and the tigers deal. i mean......Santan, Pedro, Willis, Maine and Hielmann/pelfrey/hernandez........to qoute someone: DAMN!

no way all those trades happen but i 'd love it if it happened

[Bulldogcakes]

LoDuca headed to The Blow Jo. .. I mean Blue Jays. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071205.WBbaseball20071205182909/WBStory/WBbaseball/)

Is it legal to date 16 year olds up there?

[cougarjake13]

LoDuca headed to The Blow Jo. .. I mean Blue Jays. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071205.WBbaseball20071205182909/WBStory/WBbaseball/)

Is it legal to date 16 year olds up there?

apparently the legal age is 14

http://www.actoronto.org/website/home.nsf/pages/consentlaw

[BoondockSaint]

Dontrelle to the Mets? No, that's not happening
Posted by Danny Knobler December 05, 2007 21:31PM
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- How rumors get out of hand:

While they were negotiating the Miguel Cabrera-Dontrelle Willis trade with Florida, it appears that the Tigers did briefly consider turning it into a three-way deal in which Willis would go to the New York Mets, possibly with Pudge Rodriguez included as well. The Mets love Willis, and in fact had tried to get him from the Marlins themselves. The Tigers would save payroll, and there was even some thought that they could move Brandon Inge back behind the plate.

But it's barely worth talking about now, because it's not happening, and the Mets know it.

``There's no turning back now for them,'' a Mets official said tonight. ``If anything was going to be done, it had to be done before (the trade became public). They've energized their fan base now. They can't go back.''

So why is this coming up now? Simply because WFAN in New York reported tonight that the Tigers might now trade Willis to the Mets.

Which, by the time they reported it, had basically no chance of happening.

Oh well.

[Kevin]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Riding an exercise bike late Wednesday afternoon, A's general manager Billy Beane was interrupted by his baseball operations analyst, Farhan Zaidi.

Zaidi had been multitasking on a nearby treadmill, browsing the Internet on his Blackberry, when he came across something his boss needed to see.

What Beane saw upon being handed the device was a report that he'd traded ace Dan Haren, shortstop Bobby Crosby and first baseman Dan Johnson in a three-way deal with the Twins and Mets.

Haren and a Mets prospect to the Twins; Crosby, Johnson and Minnesota ace Johan Santana to the Mets; New York shortstop Jose Reyes and a prospect to the A's.

Beane almost fell off the bike.

"Of all the trade rumors in my whole career, that might be the worst of all-time," Beane said a few hours later. "That's laughable. I don't even know what to say to that."