New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[hammersavage]

Good to see Pelf bounce back. Hopefully, Pedro can keep the good starting pitching rolling! and go Padres....

[cougarjake13]

Good to see Pelf bounce back. Hopefully, Pedro can keep the good starting pitching rolling! and go Padres....




x2

[spadanko]

wagner felt stiffness in elbow today. not good. Time for Maine to close, bring up niese

[cougarjake13]

wagner felt stiffness in elbow today. not good. Time for Maine to close, bring up niese

ive been hearing a lot about maine closing lately


who's idea is that ??

[TheGameHHH]

i was thinking of picking up Pedro for a spot start tonight, now i wish i would have

[lleeder]

wagner felt stiffness in elbow today. not good. Time for Maine to close, bring up niese

Maine to close? His arm is hanging by a thread already pitching everyday should help. :wacko:

[Bossanova]

Maine to close? His arm is hanging by a thread already pitching everyday should help. :wacko:

I gotta say i haven't been fond of this idea since i heard it the other day. They can't rely on Pedro or Perez really. Why give up their third best starter for the year?

[cougarjake13]

leave maine in the rotation and let kunz close

[Bossanova]

Glavine may be done for good.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8454874/Glavine-out-for-rest-of-'08-season


GOOD!

[NickyL0885]

I gotta say i haven't been fond of this idea since i heard it the other day. They can't rely on Pedro or Perez really. Why give up their third best starter for the year?

Have you seen Perez lately? or should i say, when Peterson was fired. Hes been the most consistent starter on the team.

[NickyL0885]

They want Maine in the pen b/c he has a sore rotator cuff. So, they feel pitching one inning as opposed to 6-7 every 5 days will be less stress. If they do it, i hope its just for the year. With Pedro gone at years end and no idea is Perez will re-sign, you need Maine in the rotation with Santana and Pelfrey alone with Niese and whomever else for next season.

[BeerBandit]

You want your closer, or any reliever for that matter, to throw strikes. The guy with the best control is Pedro. If Kunz isn't going to get the chance, I want to see Pedro close. He can't go more than 5 innings anyway, perhaps 1 inning at a time is better. Plus his stuff is still filthy.

[BeerBandit]

SHREK!!

[cougarjake13]

id like to see pedro as closer but would he do it ??

[BeerBandit]

There you go. They just said that he volunteered to go to the bullpen, last week.

[cougarjake13]

There you go. They just said that he volunteered to go to the bullpen, last week.

who maine ??

[BeerBandit]

No Pedro. They were talking about where he is right now, and how he's looked at in the clubhouse. Gary said, "Last week he even volunteered to go to the bullpen."

Sorry, I don't know why I've forgotten how to quote.:wallbash:

[Kevin]

who maine ??

The guy who you have been saying should close for about 5 of your posts.

[BeerBandit]

Kunz couldn't get the job done. Should've been the perfect opportunity for him. 6 run lead, very little pressure. This had better not turn out like Monday.

[cougarjake13]

The guy who you have been saying should close for about 5 of your posts.

yeh but i didnt know who he was talking about

[Towelie]

11 games over now.

Jose Reyes and David Wright in a nice battle for the MVP.

[spadanko]

id like to see pedro as closer but would he do it ??

they said during the game tonight he volunteered to go to the pen

[NickyL0885]

Mets aquired Luis Ayala from the Nats for Anderson Hernandez. good trade. Hernandez had no chance here plus he cant hit for shit. Ayala will be available for mondays game. I guess Kunz goes down.

[Kevin]

Mets aquired Luis Ayala from the Nats for Anderson Hernandez. good trade. Hernandez had no chance here plus he cant hit for shit. Ayala will be available for mondays game. I guess Kunz goes down.

He does not seem to be very good judging by his 5.77 era..

[NickyL0885]

He does not seem to be very good judging by his 5.77 era..

hes been good every year. so he having bad season on shit team. ill give him a chance. he has a good track record.

[Kevin]

hes been good every year. so he having bad season on shit team. ill give him a chance. he has a good track record.

Looking at his stats from previous years, they have been pretty good. Maybe being on a team in a Pennant race, will rejuvenate him.

[BeerBandit]

It works for me because they gave up nothing to get him. Right now the bullpen needs anybody to just throw strikes.

[cougarjake13]

Looking at his stats from previous years, they have been pretty good. Maybe being on a team in a Pennant race, will rejuvenate him.



well he cant be any worse then what we've been getting

well i guess he could

[cougarjake13]

prior to this year he was good


http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/ayalalu01.shtml

[cougarjake13]

BELTRAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BeerBandit]

Johan's gonna finish his game! I'm proud of Jerry, and Johan. This is what the ace is supposed to do.

[cougarjake13]

Johan's gonna finish his game! I'm proud of Jerry, and Johan. This is what the ace is supposed to do.

he prob told manuel your bullpen aint fucking me out of another win

i think its up to 5 or 6 now

[cougarjake13]

http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/MLB/Headshots/6441.jpg


with 107 pitches and 80 strikes who else would you want out there

[Towelie]

They've blow 6 wins

So right now he should be 17-7 with a 2.76 ERA

Which would put him right in front of the Cy Young race

He's gotta be pissed too, since his 2014 option vests with a Cy Young win and he has a bunch of bonuses based on Cy Young finishes and number of Cy Young wins

[cougarjake13]

They've blow 6 wins

So right now he should be 17-7 with a 2.76 ERA

Which would put him right in front of the Cy Young race

He's gotta be pissed too, since his 2014 option vests with a Cy Young win and he has a bunch of bonuses based on Cy Young finishes and number of Cy Young wins

yeh and most of those blown leads were in the 9th i think


even with that record i think it'd still go to webb

[Towelie]

yeh and most of those blown leads were in the 9th i think


even with that record i think it'd still go to webb

Webb has had a monster season for sure.

We'll see where each of their respective teams wind up at the end of the season though

[BeerBandit]

I said it at he trade, Laroche is a disappointing, 25 yr old, former prospect. The Dodgers stole Manny.

[cougarjake13]

Webb has had a monster season for sure.

We'll see where each of their respective teams wind up at the end of the season though



oh yeh

too bad they couldnt just take a 2nd wild card team from the nl central and let the west have no post season

[Towelie]

oh yeh

too bad they couldnt just take a 2nd wild card team from the nl central and let the west have no post season

LA is starting to look like a real team again.

Its going to be tough for the NL East winner in the first round.

I'm hoping the Cubs blow the division so we dont have to face Sheets and Sabathia in a 5 game series.

[hammersavage]

That was domination. 2.5 games for now, lets go Pads!!!

[Towelie]

That was domination. 2.5 games for now, lets go Pads!!!

Santana was money today

Stupid 12:35 game tomorrow

Whoever made our schedule this year should lose their job. Fucking worst scheduling ever.

[cougarjake13]

LA is starting to look like a real team again.

Its going to be tough for the NL East winner in the first round.

I'm hoping the Cubs blow the division so we dont have to face Sheets and Sabathia in a 5 game series.


i think the more likely route is milw faulters and st louis over takes for the wild card

[cougarjake13]

Santana was money today

Stupid 12:35 game tomorrow

Whoever made our schedule this year should lose their job. Fucking worst scheduling ever.

at least todays game was a day game


and it had to be an early game, its a getaway game

mets home to face atl

pirates out to st lou to face the cards

[spadanko]

what gem today.. an absolute clinic.

as for ayala, prior o his elbow injury dude was pretty good... we shall see

[Towelie]

at least todays game was a day game


and it had to be an early game, its a getaway game

mets home to face atl

pirates out to st lou to face the cards

Oh I understand that, but why a 4 game series on Fri-Mon?

Plus those ridiculous west coast trips

They flew like 22,000 miles in like 3 weeks of games

[hammersavage]

cant win em all? every loss sucks though...

[cougarjake13]

:flush:cant win em all? every loss sucks though...



i can handle a loss


but another bullpen meltdown ??? ahhhhh

[hammersavage]

Another first inning run. The opposing team should just concede it at this point.

Can't let Larry beat us this series, he's the only one who can really kill us.

[BeerBandit]

Did anybody else hear a dump when Ronnie was talking about Reyes' check swing? My audio cut out when he said "That was a _ call."

[spadanko]

Nice comeback fellas!!!

[cougarjake13]

Another first inning run. The opposing team should just concede it at this point.

Can't let Larry beat us this series, he's the only one who can really kill us.



i'd intentionally walk him every at bat

matter of fact they should have been doing that for years

[cougarjake13]

wagner out indefinitely

[foodcourtdruide]

Wow, Wagner being out indefinitely (whatever the fuck that means) is huge. They really need to improve the bullpen and need some kind of closer. I think Minaya actually did the right thing by not pushing the panic button and overpaying for an average middle reliever. I wonder what they'll do now though. It would be crazy if one of the starters went to the bullpen, but I can totally see that happening.

[PD]

Braves pen REALLY sucks.

Wagner of course is a quote machine; besides the other quotes (about how much relievers get criticized) he also said "I was a closer because I Sucked as a starter"

Wagner out is really gonna be a problem.
It looks like the mistake Mets made last off season was allowing Lidge to go to Philly.

[spadanko]

Mets sign Al Reyes.. nice warm body for the pen. i like the move

[hammersavage]

we're going got the record number of players named Reyes. its in the bag.

[BoondockSaint]

3 kings, baby! How come I can't buy my playoff tickets yet?

[PD]

I wonder if they will still not put an initial on the unis.

Yeah, as spadanko said, this is a no-brainer; he may suck and it won't work, but there was nothing lost. Joel Sherman proposes moving Pelfrey to Pen for this year, but I don't like the idea of screwing up the rotation.

It really is time for Heilman to step up; he really does have the best stuff in the pen, needs to get his shit together.

[BoondockSaint]

Let's see:
1) Sign Al Reyes
2) Score 5 runs in the 1st

Coincidence?

Not a chance.

[Tenbatsuzen]

On top of Reyes, the Mets also signed Al Green.

[PD]

Standing O for Pelf to start the 9th.

edit

And he finished it- with a smile, and great cheer.

[BoondockSaint]

Standing O for Pelf to start the 9th.

Big Pelf throws 9.

[cougarjake13]

guess this is how we're gonna address the bullpen issue


everybodys going 9

[BoondockSaint]

guess this is how we're gonna address the bullpen issue


everybodys going 9

Really? Did Omar really say that?

[cougarjake13]

we're going got the record number of players named Reyes. its in the bag.

if we make these trades we'll be set


cards pitcher anthony reyes
twins pitcher dennys reyes
braves pitcher jo jo reyes

[K.C.]

Our complete game was better than your complete game

:wink:

Pitcher IP PC H ER BB K
Myers 9.0 119 8 0 1 9

[PD]

Our complete game was better than your complete game

:wink:

Pitcher IP PC H ER BB K
Myers 9.0 119 8 0 1 9

well, our position in the standings is better

:lol:

[cougarjake13]

Our complete game was better than your complete game

:wink:

Pitcher IP PC H ER BB K
Myers 9.0 119 8 0 1 9


it s all good

[cougarjake13]

Really? Did Omar really say that?

fuck, he might of


but reyes used to be a decent closer for the rays when they sucked ass so maybe he'll be the closer

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if they will still not put an initial on the unis.

Yeah, as spadanko said, this is a no-brainer; he may suck and it won't work, but there was nothing lost. Joel Sherman proposes moving Pelfrey to Pen for this year, but I don't like the idea of screwing up the rotation.

It really is time for Heilman to step up; he really does have the best stuff in the pen, needs to get his shit together.


fuck that

pelfrey is finally pitching like the mets have wanted him to, why fuck that up by moving him to the bullpen ??

rotation should be

santana
pelfrey
perez
maine

pedro goes to the bullpen to close for rest of year
maybe we'll get a lil john smoltz like action out of that

[K.C.]

Actually, if you want some good news for both our teams, the Mets are only two behind the Brewers in the loss column and the Phils are just three.

The Mets have three vs. Milwaukee left...the Phils have four.


Both teams essentially have two shots at it, between now and the end of September...one against each other with their five games head to head, and one against the Brew Crew.


It looked like no shot the NL East could get two this year...it's at least a possibility, with how well both teams are playing.

[spadanko]

GO BIG PELF

http://blog.pennlive.com/lvsports/2008/04/large_pelfry.jpg

[scottinnj]

3 kings, baby! How come I can't buy my playoff tickets yet?

Because you still have to face the Fightin Phils. Twice.

[scottinnj]

Let's face it though.

Whoever it is in the NL going to the World Series is going to get an ass whooping. Most of the teams over there with 60-65 wins are 10 games outside of first in their respective divisions. In the NL, that makes you a division leader or a wildcard contender.

The AL is a machine this year. We're going to get killed, no matter who gets through the NL playoffs.

[cougarjake13]

Actually, if you want some good news for both our teams, the Mets are only two behind the Brewers in the loss column and the Phils are just three.

The Mets have three vs. Milwaukee left...the Phils have four.


Both teams essentially have two shots at it, between now and the end of September...one against each other with their five games head to head, and one against the Brew Crew.


It looked like no shot the NL East could get two this year...it's at least a possibility, with how well both teams are playing.



yeh and you'd have to want to root for that to happen as then the nl east divison champ will get to go play arizona or the dodgers while the nl east wildcard faces the cubs

if the brewers keep the wildcard slot, then the nl east div champ goes to chi town

[cougarjake13]

Let's face it though.

Whoever it is in the NL going to the World Series is going to get an ass whooping. Most of the teams over there with 60-65 wins are 10 games outside of first in their respective divisions. In the NL, that makes you a division leader or a wildcard contender.

The AL is a machine this year. We're going to get killed, no matter who gets through the NL playoffs.



i present to you last years super bowl


and if you want a MLB reference then i present to you the 2006 st louis cardinals

[Towelie]

Match up the pitching staffs in the NL and the AL

I'll take most of the NL starting staffs over the AL starting staffs

[BoondockSaint]

Twolie makes no sense.

Because I hate your stupid sig. It slows down my viewing pleasure.

[cougarjake13]

Match up the pitching staffs in the NL and the AL

I'll take most of the NL starting staffs over the AL starting staffs



stats wise or names wise ???

[spadanko]

stats wise or names wise ???

Matt Wise?

[cougarjake13]

Matt Wise?

wise potato chips ??

[spadanko]

wise potato chips ??



starvin

[scottinnj]

i present to you last years super bowl


and if you want a MLB reference then i present to you the 2006 st louis cardinals

I know all that, and it's good for hope. But we're not talking about Eli Manning having a moment of clarity to punch through the cloudy thoughts of gummy bears and nickels, or a team assembled by God Himself two years ago. The AL this year are like the WWII Germans, and the NL is gonna look like 1939 Poland once they get through with us.

[scottinnj]

if the brewers keep the wildcard slot, then the nl east div champ goes to chi town

I'll take that bet.
The Phillies have everything needed to take down the Cubbies. The only question will be do they have the motivation to do so? (or worded another way, will the NL MVP show up late for work again?)

[BoondockSaint]

I'll take that bet.
The Phillies have everything needed to take down the Cubbies. The only question will be do they have the motivation to do so? (or worded another way, will the NL MVP show up late for work again?)

Are you one of those frontrunning fans that your MVP called out?

[scottinnj]

Are you one of those frontrunning fans that your MVP called out?

I still don't know what he's talking about-but he got booed, and that's a shame. He's trying to rally the team/fans going into the final stretch, and his "criticism" of the fanbase in Philly is rather tame compared to what other star players have said about us.

He was right about one thing-when the Phillies are good we love them, when they suck (e.g., getting SWEPT by the Dodgers) we boo and complain. But at least we're not pussies like Cardinal fans, who actually cheer for the other team's players in some secret wish that would help the team sign whoever the player is.

Booing a team that stinks up a field when they should be 5 games in first place is not only a right, it's the law in Philadelphia.

[BoondockSaint]

Just stop winning.

[K.C.]

Are you one of those frontrunning fans that your MVP called out?

Yeah, because Mets fans didn't boo Santana off the mound...in his first home start...

[BoondockSaint]

Yeah, because Mets fans didn't boo Santana off the mound...in his first home start...

And he said that Mets fans were frontrunners?:drunk:

[K.C.]

And he said that Mets fans were frontrunners?:drunk:

That's common knowledge.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more schizophrenic fanbase.


As I said before fans, in general, in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, are generally WAY too reactionary.

[TheMojoPin]

I know all that, and it's good for hope. But we're not talking about Eli Manning having a moment of clarity to punch through the cloudy thoughts of gummy bears and nickels, or a team assembled by God Himself two years ago. The AL this year are like the WWII Germans, and the NL is gonna look like 1939 Poland once they get through with us.

Are you talkin through a timewarp? Outside of the Rays, Angels and Red Sox, the AL is mostly shitty this year. Both leagues have like 4-5 good teams and the rest garbage.

[hammersavage]

if you told me Big Pelf was gonna lead the team in wins on August 21st, i might not have believed you. Kids great man, really turned a corner this year. Very exciting.

[Towelie]

There really is no team I'm not confident we can't beat in a series

The Phillies have no pitching, and once Brett Myers faces a real team he'll go back to sucking. Plus we're going to bury them with that 2 game series.

Same goes for Sabathia. He's blowing his arm out to complete game Pittsburgh and SF.

I thought the Angels were a totally complete team but after watching their total meltdown against the Yanks a few weeks ago I can see even they are vulnerable. K-Rod is going to have 60 saves sure, but his WHIP and K/BB is awful for a closer and Vladdy disappears in the playoffs more then almost any other player I can think of.

Tampa doesnt have the starters or the experience. Its a great story, but they are going in and out quick.

The only team that scares me against the Mets is the Mets. No one is going to have a better starting staff in the playoffs. We're just going to hope the bullpen doesnt melt down.

I'm just hoping we can catch Chicago so we can get the easy walkover of whatever shit team comes out of the west.

[TheMojoPin]

K-Rod is going to have 60 saves sure, but his WHIP and K/BB is awful for a closer

THIS!!!

Towelie, you're my new favorite. I'm sick of hearing people rave about K-Rod like he's the next Rivera or something. He's not. He's a disaster waiting to happen.

[Towelie]

THIS!!!

Towelie, you're my new favorite. I'm sick of hearing people rave about K-Rod like he's the next Rivera or something. He's not. He's a disaster waiting to happen.

Yeah I know Mets fans love to complain about Billy (and I'm absolutely in there), but numbers never lie

Wagner:

10 BB
52 K
2.30 ERA
179 ERA+
0.89 WHIP

K-Rod:

29 BB
57 K
2.75 ERA
156 ERA+
1.28 WHIP

1.28 WHIP = AWFUL

Rivera is at 0.75, Kuo is at 0.89, Nathan at 0.91 for example

[PD]

i present to you last years super bowl


and if you want a MLB reference then i present to you the 2006 st louis cardinals

cougar gets it, and scott doesn't.

Short series can go any way.

[hammersavage]

Church back tomorrow. Please send down Cancel. Thank you.

[PD]

Church back tomorrow. Please send down Cancel. Thank you.

it will probably happen, but don't forget, having Cancel also meant that they were more likely to have Castro PH.

[cougarjake13]

I know all that, and it's good for hope. But we're not talking about Eli Manning having a moment of clarity to punch through the cloudy thoughts of gummy bears and nickels, or a team assembled by God Himself two years ago. The AL this year are like the WWII Germans, and the NL is gonna look like 1939 Poland once they get through with us.



thats a horrible analogy since we all know how that war turned out for germany

[EddieMoscone]

Not to get ahead of things, but Pelfrey turned into Halladay for a night.

[hammersavage]

it will probably happen, but don't forget, having Cancel also meant that they were more likely to have Castro PH.

Which I like but that means schneider's starting which i dont like. :lol:

But with Murphy or Evans off the bench we have a decent pinch hitter no matter what.

[scottinnj]

As I said before fans, in general, in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, are generally WAY too reactionary.



True, oh so true. When I go to a game, I don't wanna go there to boo my players. I'm there to cheer them on and wish cancer on the other team. There may be players on other teams I'd like to see on the Phillies roster, but until they sign with us, they are the enemy and must be destroyed.

[scottinnj]

Are you talkin through a timewarp? Outside of the Rays, Angels and Red Sox, the AL is mostly shitty this year. Both leagues have like 4-5 good teams and the rest garbage.

No shit, that's what I mean. The NL is going to face one of those three teams. And they will destroy us.

[TheMojoPin]

No shit, that's what I mean. The NL is going to face one of those three teams. And they will destroy us.

The Rays are young and getting hit by injuries. The Red Sox are getting old, run hot ad cold and have trouble on the road. The Angels are playing WAY above their pythag for the year. They're very good, but they're essentially the 2008 version of the 2007 Diamondbacks and aren't as good as their record (inflated by arguably the second weakest division in all of baseball). The White Sox live and die by the long ball.

The AL clearly has good teams, but the NL actually has the teams that can match up to all of those AL teams. This is nothing like years we've seen recently where the AL has 1 or more teams so clearly leaps ad bounds better than the NL.

Top that off with the short series being a crapshoot and there's no reason to crown the AL at this point.

[Doogie]

The Braves are fucking terrible, but a win is a win...Ill take it.

[Marc with a c]

delgado had lots of hits tonight

[PD]

The Braves are fucking terrible, but a win is a win...Ill take it.

exactly.

2.5games boyz

[spadanko]

they just changed the play at first to a hit for Delgado... 5-5

SWEEP

[Towelie]

The Rays are young and getting hit by injuries. The Red Sox are getting old, run hot ad cold and have trouble on the road. The Angels are playing WAY above their pythag for the year. They're very good, but they're essentially the 2008 version of the 2007 Diamondbacks and aren't as good as their record (inflated by arguably the second weakest division in al of baseball weak). The White Sox live and die by the long ball.

The AL clearly has good teams, but the NL actually has the teams that can match up to all of those AL teams. This is nothing like years we've seen recently where the AL has 1 or more teams so clearly leaps ad bounds better than the NL.

Top that off with the short series being a crapshoot and there's no reason to crown the AL at this point.

None of the AL teams worry me. Anaheim could be good, they could blow up. After that, meh.

[PD]

None of the AL teams worry me. Anaheim could be good, they could blow up. After that, meh.

you guys are missing the point though; plenty of history of lesser teams winning short series.

you just need to get there.

[scottinnj]

you just need to get there.


Spoken like a warrior-poet.

[PD]

Spoken like a warrior-poet.
http://www.geocities.com/trpjwig/Greece/odyssey.jpg

[Towelie]

Church back tonight, batting 7th in RF

[cougarjake13]

ahhh i fuckin hate the astros, they always give us trouble

[Towelie]

Love the standing O for Church

Awesome.

[Gmann]

RYAN CHURCH....HE'S BACK!!!!



Brian Schneider.....INSTANT OFFENCE

[cougarjake13]

thanks nationals

[spadanko]

Luis Muthafucking Ayala!!!

[hammersavage]

Mr. Santana keeps the mo rollllllliiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnn

[cougarjake13]

Luis Muthafucking Ayala!!!


qfmt


and heilman didnt give anything up

[Towelie]

The Marlins certainly nosedived back to earth.

6 back and falling

[Towelie]

You do realize that for the course of his entire career he's been a 2nd half pitcher.

Career first half: 50-33 3.50

Career second half: 50-17 2.79

I know, its just stats. They are silly.

He does not have NEAR the stuff that he had when he had those 2nd halves. He threw 96 97 back then, Now he is lucky if he reaches 93 94.

Known as a great second-half pitcher while with the Twins, Santana is 4-0 with a 2.20 ERA in eight starts since the All-Star break and is having a Cy Young-caliber first season in New York despite the low win total.

:bye::bye::bye::bye:

[spadanko]

Castillo taking one for the team

Luis Castillo told the Mets he needs a few more days before bing activated from the disabled list today.

Interesting, in that the rule stipulates he must be activated now that his 20-day rehab allotment has expired, unless, of course, he states that he needs more time - in which case the Mets can keep him on the disabled list.

So, I wonder if, for the good of the team, knowing a player like Argenis Reyes would likely have been demoted to clear room, Castillo chose to stay on rehab.

[hammersavage]

if that was of his on volition, than he earned a TON of respect from me.

[Towelie]

Castillo has always been a good teammate wherever he has been

Too bad Omar lost his cool and gave him 4 years.

Dumb, dumb dumb.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

sorry guys

they were doin great when I was in Florida

[Towelie]

Schneider strikes again...

Do they have it in em to comeback?

If they can get 1 more this inning I think they could do it

[Kevin]

Its 8-3 in the 8th..

[Towelie]

Its 8-3 in the 8th..

Its the Houston Astros

[Kevin]

Its the Houston Astros

Point taken..

[Towelie]

Its a shame the Astros suck, Berkman would probably win the MVP unanimously if they were in the race

[spadanko]

ah well... crap game today. Come out tomorrow and get to wolf early

[cougarjake13]

Castillo taking one for the team

if that was of his on volition, than he earned a TON of respect from me.

hell yeh

but why wouldnt he he's already got the contract

now if he didnt have that and was fighting for a new one i dont think he'd be as generous

[Towelie]

John Maine admitted after Saturday night's game that he'll need offseason arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder.
There has been speculation for some time now that there was something physically wrong with Maine. Turns out it's a painful bone spur in his throwing shoulder. He let up a season-high eight earned runs on Saturday but will continue to pitch through the pain this season.

Jerry Manuel said the Mets might shut down John Maine for the rest of the season if he doesn't look strong during a throwing session next week.
Maine has a bone spur in his shoulder, but said after Saturday's start that he planned on pitching through the pain. Management should make the call by Wednesday.

Shit.

Oliver Perez's wallet just got a bit fatter

[hammersavage]

Good to see this game out of Beltran. He can absolutely will a team to win for about a week. This would be a good week to do it.

[cougarjake13]

Shit.

Oliver Perez's wallet just got a bit fatter


what if he goes to the pen to limit his throwing ???

[lleeder]

what if he goes to the pen to limit his throwing ???

That might work if he had good stuff and then he got progressively worse as the game went on. Too bad that right now his fast ball just blows all game long.

[Kevin]

After 2 outings the new guy you got is already the closer?

[K.C.]

After 2 outings the new guy you got is already the closer?

Have you seen that bullpen???

Then you'd understand why...

The odd thing about it, though, is that they've essentially had a lot of the same guys the last couple years. It's just that Heilman fell off a cliff, Feliciano's shown he's best suited as a specialist, and Sanchez has never really been as strong as he was before his accident.

I always liked Joe Smith, though...what's his deal? Do they just not have confidence in him to use him in the clutch yet, or has he been getting lit up lately as well?

[PD]

Have you seen that bullpen???

Then you'd understand why...

The odd thing about it, though, is that they've essentially had a lot of the same guys the last couple years. It's just that Heilman fell off a cliff, Feliciano's shown he's best suited as a specialist, and Sanchez has never really been as strong as he was before his accident.

I always liked Joe Smith, though...what's his deal? Do they just not have confidence in him to use him in the clutch yet, or has he been getting lit up lately as well?

very much on.
Smith gets exposed vs lefties. Feliciano last year was able to get out righties, and heilman lefties; this year they can't, and Feliciano's 2 hrs today were inexcusable.

The other real problem is the Met hitters stop hitting after the 4th inn;
they have scored about 140 runs and given up 190 from innings 7-9 (even though they are the opposite for innings 1-3).

[spadanko]

Joe Smith hit the same wall he did last season. He needs to man up

[spadanko]

Maine to DL. Castillo activated. guessing Stokes fills in. and Niese to come up with September call ups. Sucks he is probably done for the year. big hit

[PD]

Maine to DL. Castillo activated. guessing Stokes fills in. and Niese to come up with September call ups. Sucks he is probably done for the year. big hit

damn you're fast.

If he's gonna be the way he has been, then it's a good thing.
Activating Castillo with this baffles me, unless they plan another move soon- since they need a pitcher more than they need another middle infielder.

[spadanko]

damn you're fast.

If he's gonna be the way he has been, then it's a good thing.
Activating Castillo with this baffles me, unless they plan another move soon- since they need a pitcher more than they need another middle infielder.

rosters expand in the next few days. Pelfrey, Pedro, Santana, off day, Stokes, Ollie and then rosters expand. Niese can hopefully get the call, but there is also vargas or figueroa

[hammersavage]

Fast start. Gotta get some momentum back heading into Philly.

[cougarjake13]

Fast start. Gotta get some momentum back heading into Philly.



hopefully pelfs can go nine

[Chip196]

I think Gary is jinxing David Wright every time he says "David still sitting on 99 RBI"

[cougarjake13]

I think Gary is jinxing David Wright every time he says "David still sitting on 99 RBI"

someone should give him the joker smile

[Chip196]

I really like Murphy ... seems like he keeps his head on straight even in a little slump. Drive the first good pitch to the outfield for the sac, well done rook.

[Chip196]

someone should give him the joker smile

I also think they need to stop mentioning the fact that no met has hit 3 HR in Shea in one game. They do it every time someone gets 2. I love them, but if you're supersticious ...

[cougarjake13]

I also think they need to stop mentioning the fact that no met has hit 3 HR in Shea in one game. They do it every time someone gets 2. I love them, but if you're supersticious ...



strawberry never did it ???

[Chip196]

strawberry never did it ???

Nope ... plenty of times on the road ... but in the history of Shea Stadium no Met Player has done it there.

[Marc with a c]

mike pelfrey is with out a doubt the greatest major league pitcher ever.

[Chip196]

mike pelfrey is with out a doubt the greatest major league pitcher ever.

I just found that stat interesting (If Pelfry finishes this game he'll be the first Met pitcher in 7 years to pitch back to back complete games). Isn't that a terrible stat? And it's probably pretty common around MLB these days.

[Chip196]

Listen for it .... "If Carlos can get up again, you know, no Met has ever hit 3 Home Runs at Shea"

[Gmann]

Carlos Delgado!!!

Man that was a blast.

[cougarjake13]

I just found that stat interesting (If Pelfry finishes this game he'll be the first Met pitcher in 7 years to pitch back to back complete games). Isn't that a terrible stat? And it's probably pretty common around MLB these days.



cept for that little sabathia guy in milw

[Chip196]

cept for that little sabathia guy in milw

Good Point ...I guess we're so used to pitcher on the downside of their career. CC in Wilw ... Haliday in Tor ... Peavy was good for them recently too no?

[cougarjake13]

Good Point ...I guess we're so used to pitcher on the downside of their career. CC in Wilw ... Haliday in Tor ... Peavy was good for them recently too no?

not sure about peavy but halladay has done it at least once in the last few years

[Chip196]

not sure about peavy but halladay has done it at least once in the last few years

Halladay has 8 CG this year ... don't know if any were back to back. I was way off on PEavy ... 6 CG in his career.

[scottinnj]

Rollin's bat has awakened.

Get ready for tomorrow night Mets Fans! Tuesday and Wednesday are gonna be fun.

[cougarjake13]

Halladay has 8 CG this year ... don't know if any were back to back. I was way off on PEavy ... 6 CG in his career.

yeh hallaway did it back in april

actually 5 of his first 6 games he went all the way, dont know if they all count as complete games though

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Good Win

I wanted a Shut Out for my fantasy stats

but I cant be greedy


First Place goin into the big series against the Phillies

[cougarjake13]

Good Win

I wanted a Shut Out for my fantasy stats

but I can be greedy


First Place goin into the big series against the Phillies


your are indeed gluttoness my friend

[PD]

mike pelfrey is with out a doubt the greatest major league pitcher ever.

you could argue Pelfrey is Met MVP.

[scottinnj]

Who do you have on the mound tomorrow night?

[hammersavage]

Pedro (who is pitching pretty well and deep lately)

Santana on Wednesday. It's gonna be fun.

[Devo37]

great game by Delgado and Pelfrey!

Is that 3 complete games for Mets pitchers this month?

[scottinnj]

Pedro


Dammit.


We'll have Hamels. This is going to be interesting.

Which team blinks first?

[K.C.]

Dammit.


We'll have Hamels. This is going to be interesting.

Which team blinks first?

Pedro was ok in his only other start vs. the Phillies, but even if he's good, he'll go six at most.

Three innings against the Met bullpen should be more than enough.


Wednesday's the tough one with Santana vs. Kendrick. Unless Santana just doesn't have it, Kyle's probably going to have to pitch one of his best games of the season.

[hammersavage]

Pedro was ok in his only other start vs. the Phillies, but even if he's good, he'll go six at most.

Not the last 2 starts, 7 and 7+.

[PD]

Pedro was ok in his only other start vs. the Phillies, but even if he's good, he'll go six at most.

Three innings against the Met bullpen should be more than enough.


Wednesday's the tough one with Santana vs. Kendrick. Unless Santana just doesn't have it, Kyle's probably going to have to pitch one of his best games of the season.

I'd imagine a split.

Before tonight I definitely woulda said Mets have flattened out, and Phils on top of their game.
Tonight Mets put back some guts.

It will (hopefully) be fun.

[cougarjake13]

great game by Delgado and Pelfrey!

Is that 3 complete games for Mets pitchers this month?



unless olie snuck one in there, then yes

[scottinnj]

It will (hopefully) be fun.

QFT

[Repent13]

Dammit.


We'll have Hamels. This is going to be interesting.

i thought old man moyer was pitching for philly tommorrow.

[K.C.]

Not the last 2 starts, 7 and 7+.

Whether or not the Phillies actually hit Pedro tomorrow, or they strike out 10 times, they are a team that sees a lot pitches.

Unless he's just ridiculously overpowering, which isn't really his game anymore, they'll make him work for it.

He may keep them off the board through five, but I'd be surprised, to say the least, if he's not pushing 90 pitches after the fifth.

[K.C.]

I'd imagine a split.

Before tonight I definitely woulda said Mets have flattened out, and Phils on top of their game.
Tonight Mets put back some guts.

It will (hopefully) be fun.



I imagine Game 1 goes tight into the 6th and 7th and it comes down to bullpens...Phils should have the advantage there.

Game 2...well...it'd be pretty surprising to say the least, if Kendrick outdueled Santana.

So a split is probably a good call.

[BeerBandit]

i thought old man moyer was pitching for philly tommorrow.
That's a definite. Pedro/Moyer tonight. Not good for the Metsies. Moyer's ERA is sub-3 against us this year. Should Manuel go with the Evans/Tatis/Easley combination tonight?

[Freitag]

Did anyone hear the Jerry Manuel clip on Boomer and Carton this morning in reference to Pelfrey?

[spadanko]

Was at the game last night, actually say in teh belachers for the first time in the 20+ years f going to Shea. Fantastic. crowd was awesme. going apeshit for Big Pelf. great shit

[Towelie]

The Phillies are 1-3 against us when Moyer pitches

Kendrick sucks

Mets sweep.

[hammersavage]

This is all I can think about right now. 7 1/2 hours and counting...

[Towelie]

This should all that Jamie Moyer is thinking about

Carlos Delgado vs. Jamie Moyer

77 AB
30 H
7 2B
8 HR
17 RBI
.390 AVG
.460 OBP
.792 SLG
1.252 OPS

Or perhaps

David Wright vs. Jamie Moyer

30 AB
13 H
4 2B
2 HR
.433
.452
.767
1.218

[foodcourtdruide]

This should all that Jamie Moyer is thinking about

Carlos Delgado vs. Jamie Moyer

77 AB
30 H
7 2B
8 HR
17 RBI
.390 AVG
.460 OBP
.792 SLG
1.252 OPS



Wow, Delgado owns Moyer.

[spadanko]

one game at a time. let's jsut make sure to score runs in more then just the first 3 innings

[Marc with a c]

Did anyone hear the Jerry Manuel clip on Boomer and Carton this morning in reference to Pelfrey?

i'm guessing you did.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

We play the Phillies better on the Road, 2 Wins would be gr8, a split or better is a must


Pedro needs 6 + Innings

Johan needs to be Johan

[hammersavage]

lets go baby. score early like we've been doing but don't bother if you're not gonna score late. LETS GO METS!!!!!!!

[Marc with a c]

if beltran bunts im cutting that thing off his face

[hammersavage]

I'm gonna quote myself here, if you're only gonna score early, don't score at all. I can't take a brutal loss...

[PD]

yes, need to pile on.

I do like watching Pedro paint though.

even though his control seems off, he's making hitters look silly with some of those pitch choices.

[Chip196]

This is certainly a promising start.

[Towelie]

Thank god for this shitbox.

Easely and Tatis' shots would have both been routine fly outs at Shea.

Keep piling on

There is never enough

[hammersavage]

unless you score A LOT early. then its ok.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Tatis hitting another clutch dinger

cmon Pedro and the Pen

[PD]

congrats David Wright on another 100 rbi season.

[Towelie]

Damion will probably have at least 2 or 3 more shots for the cycle.

I say leg out the next single

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Someone please hit Castillo with a crow bar in the knee


that is all

[PD]

Someone please hit Castillo with a crow bar in the knee


that is all

don't worry about him.
the only reason Castillo started yesterday (according to Manuel) is because they lost 2 games.

[cougarjake13]

im fine with a a reyes,castillo.easley platoon


but by no means should castillo be the everyday starter

[cougarjake13]

Did anyone hear the Jerry Manuel clip on Boomer and Carton this morning in reference to Pelfrey?




gonna tell us anytime soon ????

[hammersavage]

OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK, we need some outs PLEASE!!!!

[PD]

OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK, we need some outs PLEASE!!!!

I see bad things.

edit.

Pedro left in after visit.

I'm very nervous.

edit 2.

whew. (for now)

[hammersavage]

ok, lets get a couple back here so my heart can stop beating out of my chest.

:glurps::innocent::help::wallbash:

[PD]

whew.

nice to see Burrel k like that.

[cougarjake13]

whew.

nice to see Burrel k like that.



can the game just hurry up and end so i can stop worrying

[PD]

can the game just hurry up and end so i can stop worrying

this game taking years off my life.

[cougarjake13]

this game taking years off my life.



i hate this team


actually its just the bull pen i hate

[scottinnj]

i hate this team


actually its just the bull pen i hate

who do you guys have left?

[spadanko]

going to go puke now

[scottinnj]

going to go puke now

Wait in line...I think fans from both sides have gurgly stomachs right now.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I'm getting my sock filled with Nickels and I am swinging away at the Mets Bullpen

EDIT::: I will double line the sock for Heilman (if he doesnt lose the game)

[scottinnj]

I'm getting my sock filled with Nickels and I am swinging away at the Mets Bullpen

That's how I feel right now. The Phillies should have had someone up and throwing the second Madson got his hand hit.

[cougarjake13]

who do you guys have left?



the ghost of randy myers

[Servo]

Heilman coming in, and a 5-for-5 Rollins coming up?

We're fucked.

[scottinnj]

Heilman coming in, and a 5-for-5 Rollins coming up?

We're fucked.

Our guys just posted that Heilman has the 4rth worst ERA in the league right now. Is this true?

[scottinnj]

That's fine, walk Utley. Burrel's due.

Edit: Only if he swings. JESUS!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

That's fine, walk Utley. Burrel's due.

due to finally shit the bed against Mets


goes down looking

[scottinnj]

No shit. Two pitches gift-wrapped to him and he gets picky.

[Marc with a c]

i dont think delgado realizes he has caught that ball yet.

mother fucking cunts score eight runs please

[Servo]

carlos!

[Servo]

Our guys just posted that Heilman has the 4rth worst ERA in the league right now. Is this true?

7.71 is what I saw earlier. Not sure, that might be since the break.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

that fucking hit by Wright caroms right into Werth's hands


we're fucking doomed

[scottinnj]

Our setup man, J.C. Romero is warming up. This is going to be interesting. Phillies are pulling out all the stops for a win tonight.

[scottinnj]

that fucking hit by Wright caroms right into Werth's hands


we're fucking doomed

He got greedy trying to make something more of what he had. Never should have tried for second.

[hammersavage]

over/under on the size of the tumor growing in my stomach?

this isn't fair to me. it isn't fair. everything hurts.

[Marc with a c]

He got greedy trying to make something more of what he had. Never should have tried for second.

yes he should've. it was a smart play, that took an awesome play to get thrown out on.

[scottinnj]

Whoa! Check his shoestrings! Mom always said to make sure your shoes were tied, and now you know why.

[hammersavage]

i can't

[hammersavage]

i mean i just can't. this isn't right.

[scottinnj]

yes he should've. it was a smart play, that took an awesome play to get thrown out on.

While you are right, I still disagree. When a game like this is being played, get on board and wait for the RBIs to come.

[Marc with a c]

While you are right, I still disagree. When a game like this is being played, get on board and wait for the RBIs to come.

you're right, i am right.

fucking philly fans.

[Kevin]

Anyone better than Keith Hernandez?

I think not.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

can we get a runner in scoring position

I forgot how that is like

[scottinnj]

you're right, i am right.

fucking philly fans.

What, no common sense from a NY sports franchise fan? And I used to think you were something special after reading your Gvac posts.

[Marc with a c]

What, no common sense from a NY sports franchise fan? And I used to think you were something special after reading your Gvac posts.

i don't know what you are talking about, but in a tie game in the ninth or in extras you need to get to second with two out, you can't wait for 'the RBI's to come"

[Marc with a c]

i'd be real real careful to howard.

[Gmann]

Holy Shit!!
Aaron Heilman came to play!!!

[hammersavage]

hoo hoo howard.


its just, why can't it be easy.

big inning here. Schneider, Heilman (who may have to bat) and Jose with 2 outs. i can feel 2 runs.

[scottinnj]

90 More Feet To Go!

[scottinnj]

walking two to get to Myers. This could be brilliant for you guys.

[Gmann]

Oh joy its Scott "IM AWFUL" Schowenwiese...or however the fuck you spell it.

Well it was fun while it lasted.....

[hammersavage]

just how i predicted. a brett myers bases loaded walk off.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

edit: It must be September

I am asking my doc for a refill of my Nexium

[scottinnj]

They must have told him to stand there and not hit into a double play. Here comes Coste!

[Servo]

Fuckin' assholes.

[hammersavage]

i hope i sleep and never wake up.

[scottinnj]

Hear that? It's the sound of the Mets' back being broken AGAIN!

[Marc with a c]

fuck you go into the phillies thread

[scottinnj]

fuck you go into the phillies thread

Hey I like you guys! C'mon!


Good Game, Good Game, Good Game, Good Game.....

http://users.rcn.com/jlrobles/images/good-game-600.jpg