New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Wow, CW11 has some really shitty shows.

[Kevin]

Wow, CW11 has some really shitty shows.

Earl's fav network, or is that My9??

[K.C.]

Wow, CW11 has some really shitty shows.

We've got the 'Tribute to Richie Ashburn' DVD on in our rain delay.

[Towelie]

Lets hope not:

Rollins sees a lot of himself in Jose Reyes

Before becoming one of baseball's best leadoff hitters, Jimmy Rollins had to bat seventh or eighth for the Philadelphia Phillies. Before becoming the clubhouse bedrock, he had to endure criticism from teammates. Before winning the Most Valuable Player award last season, he had to hit .245. Which is why Rollins said he was not at all concerned about the Mets' mercurial shortstop, José Reyes.

"Sometimes it takes a year or two, but with me, it took three," Rollins said in a recent interview. "I was the same way until I figured out who the heck I was. I could run, I could play, I was fast, but it was all raw ability. But now, I'm showing off my raw ability, with learning, with knowledge. I've learned the game. I understand the game. You come out of that, you're a completely different player."

Rollins says he loves watching Reyes play, and it is easy to see why. In Reyes, Rollins sees a younger, faster version of himself - a switch-hitting dynamo, right down to their shared initials, spot in the lineup and division. To much fanfare, each reached the majors at an early age - Rollins at 21, Reyes a day shy of his 20th birthday - and succeeded somewhat quickly. And when they started struggling soon after, they found ample criticism.

Rollins and Reyes share many qualities, although they remain distinct personalities. Earlier this season, Rollins was benched during a game for his lack of hustle. He reacted by taking responsibility for his play and publicly backing up what could have been a controversial decision by Manager Charlie Manuel. A year ago, Reyes was similarly benched for failing to run out grounders. He acknowledged his lapses and said he did not want to look "like an idiot." But from that point on, he seemed to languish as the team faded down the stretch.

Now, as both teams prepare again for the pressure of a division race, they will be counting their star shortstops to overcome their worst habits and lead the way.

I don't feel like seeing Reyes with a 98 OPS+

[Kevin]

Lets hope not:



I don't feel like seeing Reyes with a 98 OPS+

Nor does Rollins see himself with a 226 avg with RISP..

[K.C.]

Rain has stopped.

They're working on the field.

[Servo]

Way to be an All-Star, Billy. :wallbash:

[Kevin]

I think its safe to say that Billy Wagner is not very good..

[#1FanofESD]

Why do I watch this sorry ass team night after night.

Bunch of fucking underacheivers.

Sanchez and Wagner as the 8th and 9th inning guys and they blow two games in the same weekend against the hated Phils.

This is definitely not a playoff team.

:furious::furious::furious::furious:

[Bossanova]

Why do I watch this sorry ass team night after night.

Bunch of fucking underacheivers.

Sanchez and Wagner as the 8th and 9th inning guys and they blow two games in the same weekend against the hated Phils.

This is definitely not a playoff team.

:furious::furious::furious::furious:

So.............. todays game made you believe this wasn't a playoff team?

[hammersavage]

Dear Mr. Wright,

Hit a home run.

Love,
Your retarded son Frank

[Bossanova]

For te record I NEVER wanted Wagner

[hammersavage]

Dear Mr. Tatis,

Hit a home run.

Love,
Your retarded son Frank


Fixed.

NOW LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!

[PD]

I admit I turned this game off after the 9th.

I miss the days of easy wins..

(but I'll take it)

[hammersavage]

I admit I turned this game off after the 9th.

I miss the days of easy wins..

(but I'll take it)

Yeah, '86 was the best.

[BoondockSaint]

Nice to see Tatis pick up Big Game Billy. But, I think we still need to win tomorrow to have this be a good series. If all we do is split, then we just wasted 4 games trying to catch them.

[Towelie]

Yeah, '86 was the best.

And 2006 up until Endy made the catch and the World Series ended.

[hammersavage]

Nice to see Tatis pick up Big Game Billy. But, I think we still need to win tomorrow to have this be a good series. If all we do is split, then we just wasted 4 games trying to catch them.

QFT, if we don't win, its all for nothing. Tomorrow is a YUGE game for the Mets, Dog, game is yuge tomorrow...

[Towelie]

The worst part of this year so far is our record against .500+ teams and under .500 teams.

Just terrible

[spadanko]

thank God they won that game

[K.C.]

Chance for you guys to get above .500, and take three of four.

Big game for the Mutts tonight.

[Towelie]

I think Harry Kalas is going to wet his diaper.

CLEARLY wasn't tagged. Nah, the Ump wasn't right there, you're right Harry.

Ugh. I miss SNY and its only 1/3 of the way into the first inning.

[Towelie]

Hopefully Pete can just relax and throw strikes now.

Then again, no lead is safe at Coors Field Redux.

[cougarjake13]

Hopefully Pete can just relax and throw strikes now.

Then again, no lead is safe at Coors Field Redux.

or billy wagner

[Towelie]

Who the fuck is this playing the Phillies?

Did we time machine back to 2006?

This is the most fun I'm having watching a game in a long, long time.

[hammersavage]

mmmmmmmmmmBBBBBBLLLLLLOOOWWWIIIINNNNNNNN UUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!

[cougarjake13]

Who the fuck is this playing the Phillies?

Did we time machine back to 2006?

This is the most fun I'm having watching a game in a long, long time.

nah they just know pedro is pitching


but its great to see

[docgoblin]

Wake up Mets fans!!! This is quickly become a potential problem (thanks to an awful reliever and an even worse umpiring crew allowing a bogus home run)... We're only up by 5 with two innings left to go... I hope they don't blow this one!

[Towelie]

Wake up Mets fans!!! This is quickly become a potential problem (thanks to an awful reliever and an even worse umpiring crew allowing a bogus home run)... We're only up by 5 with two innings left to go... I hope they don't blow this one!

This one is still Wagner proof for now.

Hopefully Heilman/Sanchez/Feliciano can get the next 6.

[docgoblin]

This one is still Wagner proof for now.

Hopefully Heilman/Sanchez/Feliciano can get the next 6.

I'm still nervous... The bats have gone to sleep and they need to get through the 8th unscathed... If they give up a couple this inning it becomes Wagner time... YIKES!

[cougarjake13]

its wagner time

[cougarjake13]

I'm still nervous... The bats have gone to sleep and they need to get through the 8th unscathed... If they give up a couple this inning it becomes Wagner time... YIKES!

did you take the jinx away from khb ???

[hammersavage]

3 runs.............

[docgoblin]

Their bullpen is a disaster! Now we gotta put our faith in Wagner... Nothing like waking a sleeping giant.

[docgoblin]

Howard and Burrell loom... Give me a break!

[Fallon]

its wagner time

Finally.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3277/jillwagnerpics005vc6.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Howard and Burrell loom... Give me a break!

ssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

stop posting

[hammersavage]

fuck my life

[Towelie]

Thank Jesus.

3 outta 4

Should have swept.

7 of 10 from them so far.

Not bad.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bob Murphy, somewhere in his pine box, just said, "they win the damn thing."

[docgoblin]

ssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

stop posting

Come on... you ain't one of those, are ya?... It was in the bag!

[BoondockSaint]

I never had a doubt. You people are a bunch of worrywarts.

[cougarjake13]

Come on... you ain't one of those, are ya?... It was in the bag!

nah just having some fun in this almost meltdown

[docgoblin]

Bob Murphy, somewhere in his pine box, just said, "they win the damn thing."

THEY WIN THE DAMN THING TEN-TO-NINE!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

How is Wagner an all-star?

[cougarjake13]

fucking wagner cant fucking have 1-2-3 save anymore

[docgoblin]

nah just having some fun in this almost meltdown

Yeah, well I was scared as hell!

[Tenbatsuzen]

THEY WIN THE DAMN THING TEN-TO-NINE!!!

Mario Diaz, quite literally, FTW.

[cougarjake13]

How is Wagner an all-star?

every team needs to be represented

why they chose wagner, who the fuck knows

[Towelie]

Bob Murphy, somewhere in his pine box, just said, "they win the damn thing."

Gary and Howie both did the reference apparently

[docgoblin]

every team needs to be represented

why they chose wagner, who the fuck knows

Too many 3rd basemen and Shortstops...

[cougarjake13]

Too many 3rd basemen and Shortstops...

yeh that too

[K.C.]

Leave it to the Mutts to almost blow an unblowable 10-1 lead.


I said I'd reassess my opinion on them after the series.

My opinion is largely the same on the actual team. I don't think they're particularly good, have no depth, and make way too many mental mistakes.

Where I've changed my opinion, is mostly in terms of the Phillies. With the dogshit they threw up offensively in most of that series, the Phillies have a chance collapse like a house of cards.

So I have upgraded the Mets from "need to keep tabs every so often, but mostly a joke" to "threat" status.

[docgoblin]

yeh that too

I hope Wright gets in on the extra vote. I voted 25 times so far, but he's still in 2nd place.

[docgoblin]

Leave it to the Mutts to almost blow an unblowable 10-1 lead.


I said I'd reassess my opinion on them after the series.

My opinion is largely the same on the actual team. I don't think they're particularly good, have no depth, and make way too many mental mistakes.

Where I've changed my opinion, is mostly in terms of the Phillies. With the dogshit they threw up offensively in most of that series, the Phillies have a chance collapse like a house of cards.

So I have upgraded the Mets from "need to keep tabs every so often, but mostly a joke" to "threat" status.

I'm guessing you're not a Mets fan...

[cougarjake13]

I hope Wright gets in on the extra vote. I voted 25 times so far, but he's still in 2nd place.

yeh ive voted like 20 times

where do you see the current vote stats ??

[Towelie]

Leave it to the Mutts to almost blow an unblowable 10-1 lead.


Yes no team has ever pulled a 9 run comeback, especially in a hitters park

(Flips over to a few days ago and looks at the Marlins/Rockies 18-17 box score at Coors)

Nope, it couldn't ever happen.

[K.C.]

Yes no team has ever pulled a 9 run comeback, especially in a hitters park

(Flips over to a few days ago and looks at the Marlins/Rockies 18-17 box score at Coors)

Nope, it couldn't ever happen.


Ok...Mr. "It's Wagner proof." :wacko: Tell us how he should be in the Hall of Fame again.


But I won't rain on your parade. Congrats, that was a big series.

[Kevin]

I'm guessing you're not a Mets fan...

Really? What tipped you off?

[cougarjake13]

Ok...Mr. "It's Wagner proof." :wacko: Tell us how he should be in the Hall of Fame again.


But I won't rain on your parade. Congrats, that was a big series.



his career lately hasnt been pretty but he does have the 2nd most saves for a lefty and prob will pass franco for 1st and will be the 5th pitcher to have at least 400 saves

[Towelie]

Well if the Marlins lose tonight we're tied for 2nd and 2.5 out of first (two in the loss)

6 games left till the break against the Rockies and the Giants (Lincecum in game 2)

Philly has 6 games left against the Cards and the DBacks (Johnson and Webb in that series)

We should rip off 4 of 6 at worst, hopefully 5 of 6 or 6 of 6.

But the Mets have this tendency to shit the bed after a big series.

It wouldn't shock me if they were in first by the ASG. Its very possible.

[Towelie]

Ok...Mr. "It's Wagner proof." :wacko: Tell us how he should be in the Hall of Fame again.


But I won't rain on your parade. Congrats, that was a big series.

BUT THE METS ARE IRRELEVANT AND SECOND TIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

Be happy you didn't get swept, because you should have.

[cougarjake13]

Well if the Marlins lose tonight we're tied for 2nd and 2.5 out of first (two in the loss)

6 games left till the break against the Rockies and the Giants (Lincecum in game 2)

Philly has 6 games left against the Cards and the DBacks (Johnson and Webb in that series)

We should rip off 4 of 6 at worst, hopefully 5 of 6 or 6 of 6.

But the Mets have this tendency to shit the bed after a big series.

It wouldn't shock me if they were in first by the ASG. Its very possible.


it also wouldnt shock me if they went 2-4

[K.C.]

BUT THE METS ARE IRRELEVANT AND SECOND TIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

Well, they're not in first, chief...but I'm sure you're going over in your head whether Reyes or Beltran will be the World Series MVP at this point.

Now that they're FINALLY above .500, they have to be taken seriously.

[K.C.]

Be happy you didn't get swept, because you should have.


Did you watch those games??? Phils could have just as easily won all four, just like the Mets. All four were close (and tonight had NO right to be).

Or were you sitting at home in a giant replica Mr. Met head thinking how it increased your Met Fan Enthusiasm to Negative Thought Ratio (MFENTR...a Bill James approved stat.) by 30%?

[cougarjake13]

Well, they're not in first, chief...but I'm sure you're going over in your head whether Reyes or Beltran will be the World Series MVP at this point.

Now that they're FINALLY above .500, they have to be taken seriously.

when they stop hovering around .500 i'll take them serious

[spadanko]

"the mets have no depth"

maybe because they are starting 3 bench players because 3 starters are on the DL...

anyone else have a stroke tonihgt? ah well i'll take the win

[cougarjake13]

"the mets have no depth"

maybe because they are starting 3 bench players because 3 starters are on the DL...

anyone else have a stroke tonihgt? ah well i'll take the win

i was mainly because foxsports.com takes forever to refresh

[Kevin]

i was mainly because foxsports.com takes forever to refresh

What does that even mean?

[K.C.]

when they stop hovering around .500 i'll take them serious

It's looking more and more like 85, 86 wins will win this division.

They should, at the very least, be in it to the end.

If I'm to pay you guys a compliment, I'd say I have a hell of a lot more faith in the Mets hanging in than the Marlins or Braves.

[Kevin]

Big fan of the K.C Towle banter.

[Towelie]

Did you watch those games??? Phils could have just as easily won all four, just like the Mets. All four were close (and tonight had NO right to be).

Or were you sitting at home in a giant replica Mr. Met head thinking how it increased your Met Fan Enthusiasm to Negative Thought Ratio (MFENTR...a Bill James approved stat.) by 30%?

I was out getting drunk most of the weekend celebrating the holiday.

I was on a plane during the 3rd game

So yea tonight was the only real game I saw.

But 7-3 is 7-3.

BUT WE'RE IN FIRST PLACE!! (Where have I heard and said that before)

[Towelie]

Oh and you can cry that the games were all close

But heres what matters.

Loss, Loss, Loss.

Yep, they can give up 8 runs as long as the W is still there.

[Towelie]

Wags on live TV after the game:

"Tonight I made the best pitch I could make and fucked it up."

Haha. Whoops.

[K.C.]

Oh and you can cry that the games were all close

But heres what matters.

Loss, Loss, Loss.

Yep, they can give up 8 runs as long as the W is still there.


Absolutely.

Like I said, it was a good series for them.

I'm not sure they showed they were 'back' exactly, but at the very least, they showed the Phillies have probably just as many issues and scars as they do.


And your Mets brethren were pretty well behaved at the games I went to, which was a welcomed change.

[BoondockSaint]

Apparently the Mets could have had Sabathia for Martinez and a couple of pitching prospects. Glad they turned that one down.

[Towelie]

And your Mets brethren were pretty well behaved at the games I went to, which was a welcomed change.

They really have no choice to be.

We extremely polite and well behaved (and sober) at the Sunday ESPN game in April in Philly and we were followed out of the park by people looking for a fight.

Oddly the guy sitting behind us who was such a fan that he had the Phillies logo tattooed on his arm walked out with us and vouched for us being good fans so we didnt get our asses kicked.

I didn't get it, the Phillies won and the fans were looking for fights.

Ironically the Santana/Hamels game I was they fans were much less riled up after the game.

[Towelie]

Apparently the Mets could have had Sabathia for Martinez and a couple of pitching prospects. Glad they turned that one down.

If they weren't going to part with Fernando for Santana, there's no way they were going to give him up for CC.

The question is now is who walks after the year, CC or Sheets.

I wouldn't mind either one if Ollie walks (which I hope he doesn't, but its a real possibility.)

[mothershucker]

Playing better............:clap:

[Kevin]

Apparently the Mets could have had Sabathia for Martinez and a couple of pitching prospects. Glad they turned that one down.

Thats because Ice cream tastes good with sprinkles.

[K.C.]

They really have no choice to be.

We extremely polite and well behaved (and sober) at the Sunday ESPN game in April in Philly and we were followed out of the park by people looking for a fight.

Oddly the guy sitting behind us who was such a fan that he had the Phillies logo tattooed on his arm walked out with us and vouched for us being good fans so we didnt get our asses kicked.

I didn't get it, the Phillies won and the fans were looking for fights.

Ironically the Santana/Hamels game I was they fans were much less riled up after the game.

I'm not going pretend there's not a drunken asshole contingent to a Phillies' crowd, especially when the game I went to during that April series, I saw a guy being led out by 12 cops in riot gear pleading "Dude...you don't understand...the Phillies are like my favorite team..." (I can only assume he unloaded on someone).

But there are some awful Mets fans that show up there, who are looking to start something just as well.

Mostly, there's a pretty good ebb and flow between the fans, which makes it a fun environment.

There's obviously some Phillies fans who are looking to start something, but I've seen a lot of Mets fans who get a little carried away with the "we're taking over your ballpark" mentality.


And there are absolutely some smashed Mets fans there. As much as people bitch about beer prices at the stadium, beer is cheaper at Citizens Bank Park then it is a lot of places in the city, and a few bucks cheaper than Shea.

So they go all out.

[Towelie]

We hung in the tailgate lot one time and played beer pong with Phillies fans, everyone was getting along, friendly banter, good time

I guess it was the calm before the storm I guess, once that adrenalin gets rolling during the game it speeds the drunkeness up

Tonights probably going to be real tough for Mets fans there. Getting that close and losing probably isn't going to help any situations there.

[K.C.]

We hung in the tailgate lot one time and played beer pong with Phillies fans, everyone was getting along, friendly banter, good time

I guess it was the calm before the storm I guess, once that adrenalin gets rolling during the game it speeds the drunkeness up

Tonights probably going to be real tough for Mets fans there. Getting that close and losing probably isn't going to help any situations there.

It's a combination of factors.

But first, the drunkness and belligerence can be found at any stadium on the East Coast. I've seen it at Shea, I've seen it at Yankee Stadium, Fenway. Baltimore's actually pretty tame, and I haven't been to Washington's new park yet.

So that aspect is pretty common.

Where I think it hits an extra gear with Philadelphia, involves a couple factors:

1) It's a very parochial city. For some reason, those lunatics will go to crazy length to Philadelphia stuff. I can't explain that phenomenon.

2) Some of it has to do with frustration. It's a very blue collar city, and it's not the wealthiest fan base, so those guys start thinking about the money they've essentially wasted, and how their teams never win anything and hits home with them a little more.


The whole 'mystique' of Philadelphia fans is overblown, though. If you're an opposing fan, you can go there and wear your jersey, and cheer for your team, and ball-bust the people there a little, and they'll ball-bust you back and 95% of the time, you won't have a problem.

What sets some of those guys off is when people start trashing them personally, or the city in general, or just rides them relentlessly the entire night. It just hits closer to home with them, more than it does most places, and if they're drunk enough to act on it, they will.


And I think it'd be a little different as well if they actually won something. Basically, the best metaphor for it is that they need to get laid with one of their teams.

[hammersavage]

The whole 'mystique' of Philadelphia fans is overblown, though. If you're an opposing fan, you can go there and wear your jersey, and cheer for your team, and ball-bust the people there a little, and they'll ball-bust you back and 95% of the time, you won't have a problem.

The other 5% of the time, you'll be eating your meals from a fucking tube the rest of your life. Bunch of savages in that town.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

whats our prize for this agonizing win

Tim Lincecum

Well I expect to lose 6-0 and have the fans boo


The over/under on Beltran striking out looking is 3

[PD]

Yes no team has ever pulled a 9 run comeback, especially in a hitters park

(Flips over to a few days ago and looks at the Marlins/Rockies 18-17 box score at Coors)

Nope, it couldn't ever happen.

I think on the radio they said in 1990 they also ALMOST blew a 9 run lead to the phils.
Oh and you can cry that the games were all close
But heres what matters.
Loss, Loss, Loss.
Yep, they can give up 8 runs as long as the W is still there.
yup; down the stretch last year, the Mets lost a whole bunch of close winnable games; I'm not gonna complain this year when they win some of those.

whats our prize for this agonizing win
Tim Lincecum

We can't bitch here- Mets missed a the other team's best starters a number of times this year. Zito isn't an automatic right now either; I hate that this will be a trap series, with MadDog yelping at every opportunity.

[hammersavage]

I think Lincecum might be the best pitcher in the National League right now. Which probably means they'll hit em well, if it was his first start in the majors, he'd be a lock for a 3 hitter.

[BoondockSaint]

Big Pelf will out duel Tiny Tim tonight. The Mets will win 2-1.

[spadanko]

Church back on DL.. Evans up... Alou playing rehab game.

They can back date Church to Saturday, could be back right after break. Hopefully the kid will be ok. Concussions are bad news.

Omar, go get a bat dammit

[Bossanova]

Church back on DL.. Evans up... Alou playing rehab game.

They can back date Church to Saturday, could be back right after break. Hopefully the kid will be ok. Concussions are bad news.

Omar, go get a bat dammit

Scott Stevens as out for a year with post concussion syndrom. PCS is fucking serious sometimes. I wouldn't be shocked if Church shuts it down if this continues.

[hammersavage]

Church situation sucks but the timing is alright. Endy is hitting way to well to sit and if Alou can come back for the last 4-5 games get him in a groove. It buys a couple weeks til a decision has to be made. Wouldn't mind seeing Evans get a start, possibly tonight.

[K.C.]

Omar, go get a bat dammit

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1119/pg2_a_bonds_300.jpg

[spadanko]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1119/pg2_a_bonds_300.jpg

I have hated the idea for so long.. but I have gotten to the point where I wouldn't mind it

[foodcourtdruide]

Scott Stevens as out for a year with post concussion syndrom. PCS is fucking serious sometimes. I wouldn't be shocked if Church shuts it down if this continues.

I agree. I blame Omar for not having outfield depth. Easley is essentially the same as Castillo, if we only didn't re-sign Castillo and gotten more outfield depth we'd be in much better shape.

[foodcourtdruide]

Church situation sucks but the timing is alright. Endy is hitting way to well to sit and if Alou can come back for the last 4-5 games get him in a groove. It buys a couple weeks til a decision has to be made. Wouldn't mind seeing Evans get a start, possibly tonight.

Why wouldn't you mind seeing Evans get a start? He's terrible! I'd rather see Tatis/Beltran/Chavez outfield.

[BeerBandit]

4-0 thanks to Delgado!


Finally it's out of Save Situation. I feel a little more comfortable.

I think everyday at Shea should be a...Holliday?

[BeerBandit]

Big Pelf: 7 scoreless, 3 hits, 5K, 10 ground outs. Nice job sir!:clap:

[hammersavage]

its so apparent that the kid just figure it out. hes awesome right now. great to see.

[epo]

Scott Stevens as out for a year with post concussion syndrom. PCS is fucking serious sometimes. I wouldn't be shocked if Church shuts it down if this continues.

Corey Koskie had that last year with the Brewers to such an extent that it ended his career. That can be a brutal issue.

[epo]

If they weren't going to part with Fernando for Santana, there's no way they were going to give him up for CC.

The question is now is who walks after the year, CC or Sheets.

I wouldn't mind either one if Ollie walks (which I hope he doesn't, but its a real possibility.)

Answer = both.

[Towelie]

Answer = both.

I know LaPorta was kinda log jammed out there, but thats a lot of talent to give up for a guy who you're not going to resign AND to lose your ace.

They better hope they get 4 solid draft picks.

CC is a Yankee next year, no question about it.

[Kevin]

I know LaPorta was kinda log jammed out there, but thats a lot of talent to give up for a guy who you're not going to resign AND to lose your ace.

They better hope they get 4 solid draft picks.

CC is a Yankee next year, no question about it.

Yanks want Sheets more i think.

[Towelie]

Philly lost again.

Finish this game up and we'll be 1.5 out (1 in the loss column)

Marlins can be a .5 game out if they win, which with the losses makes it a virtual tie.

[spadanko]

big

Mike

Pelf!!!

[Kevin]

The only thing that i like about this is. No more Lincecum is God talk by awful Russo.

I have yet to see him do well vs a good hitting team. He got smacked around by the AL and the Mets handled him.

[TheMojoPin]

The only thing that i like about this is. No more Lincecum is God talk by awful Russo.

I have yet to see him do well vs a good hitting team. He got smacked around by the AL and the Mets handled him.

Yeah, those Cubs sure aren't a good hitting team this year.

[Towelie]

Yanks want Sheets more i think.

Well he'll certainly be the cheaper option, but the last thing the Yankees need is another starter with injury problems.

[Kevin]

Yeah, those Cubs sure aren't a good hitting team this year.

6 inn, 3 ER?

eeeeeeeeehhh, it not like he dominated a complete game shutout.

[TheMojoPin]

6 inn, 3 ER?

eeeeeeeeehhh, it not like he dominated a complete game shutout.

Fair enough.

Plus that was the road Cubs.

Eh, you're right.

[Kevin]

Fair enough.

Plus that was the road Cubs.

Eh, you're right.

Yea Road Cubs in a pitchers park..

[BoondockSaint]

Lincecum came up a bit short.

Get it?

Because he's small.

[Kevin]

Lincecum came up a bit short.

Get it?

Because he's small.

Well thats because, chocolate and smores go well together.

[epo]

I know LaPorta was kinda log jammed out there, but thats a lot of talent to give up for a guy who you're not going to resign AND to lose your ace.

They better hope they get 4 solid draft picks.

CC is a Yankee next year, no question about it.

LaPorta was completely blocked and they saw a window to make a nice playoff run. Why not take a shot?

CC will demand over 100M+ and Sheet will want 5+ years. Both are huge gambles.

[BoondockSaint]

Well thats because, chocolate and smores go well together.

Rocks car grass cow.

[Kevin]

Rocks car grass cow.

How now brown cow.

[BoondockSaint]

And how the fuck was that not running out of the base line on Lewis in the top of the first? He was at least five feet on to the infield grass. And that pitch did hit Tatis, you could hear it.

[Towelie]

Pelf's last eight starts:

5-0, 2.63 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
51.2 IP, 48 H, 15 ER, 19 BB, 36 K

[led37zep]

I'm going to the game tomorrow. I'll be the guy with the Giants jersey on.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I picked up Pelfrey in my fantasy league ( 2 Starts)

hoping maybe he would win, he did more


Cmon Johan, a + .500 record at the all star game wouldn't hurt

[foodcourtdruide]

The Mets are definitely playing better, especially with the great pitching they've been getting, however I'm skeptical of how long this will last. I think counting on the likes of Easley, Tatis and Chavez to be consistant is a bit of a longshot, and when those guys aren't hitting this team isn't winning. A significant part of their starting line-up looks like AAAA.

[BeerBandit]

They're riding a 4-game win streak, the offense is firing. The Giants are a weak offensive ballclub. They've got to put a win together for Johan tonight. No excuses.

[hammersavage]

Over those 4 games they've had 14, 14, 17, and 14 hits. thats consistent offensive production baby!!! at least for 4 games. I'll be impressed if they can do it off of Sanchez who is a damn good young pitcher. But if they can hit Lincecum...

[PD]

The Mets are definitely playing better, especially with the great pitching they've been getting, however I'm skeptical of how long this will last. I think counting on the likes of Easley, Tatis and Chavez to be consistant is a bit of a longshot, and when those guys aren't hitting this team isn't winning. A significant part of their starting line-up looks like AAAA.

Easley can give as much as Castillo. I expect less from Tatis and Chavez (although Endy brings the D).

I do think though that Beltran will keep up (mostly) this hot hitting, and I think it's reasonable that Pedro can pitch more like his last outing - so if this is the real Pelfrey and ollie, it is the pitching that will keep them in division race.

[hammersavage]

The starting pitching is settled I think. Replace Duque for Armas in the coming weeks. Santana's been the man with no support (should change), Maine is solid, Ollie looks to be just Dr. Jekyll now, Pelfrey has turned the corner and is awesome, and Pedro is working his was back and hopefully will continue to improve. I feel confident in the starter EVERY NIGHT (as long as Pedro continues to improve) which is amazing and really has occurred since Petersen was fired which is strange. The bullpen needs improvement, I think that's where we should look at the trading deadline. Smith can get righties, Schoenweis lefties, I'm ok with Wagner and Heilman, but everything else scares me. I think Duque will be good in long relief though.

And the offense looks strong, hope it can last. I have faith in Endy to play everyday. He might be the best defensive outfielder in the National League which is amazing and he's hitting for now. Easley's been great and I prefer him WAY over Castillo. Tatis can't be an everyday player but hopefully Alou can return soon and help out.

Lets keep the MOJO going tonight though. Get Santana more than 2 runs maybe??

[BeerBandit]

Ollie looks to be just Dr. Jekyll now,

I feel confident in the starter EVERY NIGHT
That's how he fools you. I will never, ever, ever, ever be confident in Ollie. I'm just glad that he can only pitch once every 5 days, and I will be glad when he's gone next year.

[PD]

That's how he fools you. I will never, ever, ever, ever be confident in Ollie. I'm just glad that he can only pitch once every 5 days, and I will be glad when he's gone next year.

I see no reason we can't have the Ollie of last year- good 75% of the time, awful the other 25.

I didn't have a huge problem with signing Castillo last year. I knew he was overpaid, and too many years, but I thought we'd get a good defensive 2b with .370 OBP. He can still turn a DP, but his range has been awful - and if he's not going to play good defense, we don't need him. Gotay was no gold glove, but it was awful that they left him exposed.

I am nervous about trying to trade for a bat now that Church is so iffy - remember it was the Sanchez injury that led to trading Nady for Roberto Hernandez & Ollie. (I wont even mention that AWFUL trade with Tampa).

[NickyL0885]

I know he wont be starting till next season but what about Fernando Martinez? Mets did the same thing with Milledge when an outfielder went down 2years ago. Get the kids feet wet. and i want Ollie to stay. Honestly, who is going to replace him? The Mets arent going to throw money at another pitcher. We are at least 2 yrs away before a prospect like Jon Niese can come up and be in the rotation. Maybe even Brad Holt, the kid they just drafted. Next year, El Duque is gone, assuming Pedro is let go, and if we didnt sign Ollie, our rotation would be:

Santana-Maine-Pelfrey-??-??

[BoondockSaint]

I know he wont be starting till next season but what about Fernando Martinez?


He just got back from being on the DL for 6 weeks with a hamstring so I don't think they would consider it right now. Maybe if he plays well of weeks they could bring him up.

[PD]

I know he wont be starting till next season but what about Fernando Martinez? Mets did the same thing with Milledge when an outfielder went down 2years ago.

He just got back from being on the DL for 6 weeks with a hamstring so I don't think they would consider it right now. Maybe if he plays well of weeks they could bring him up.
yeah, that's the main reason why they brought up Nick Evans instead.

F-Mart will be in the futures game though, so you may have a reason to watch that.

[spadanko]

Keep on raining!!! official game!!

as for the rotation next season, I like derek Lowe and sheets

Santana-Sheets-Maine-Pelfrey-Lowe

all honesty, I'd give Ollie a 3 year deal.. but only about 10 mil... if someone wants to give him 14 mil a season, god bless

[docgoblin]

Did Gary just go into break saying; "The Mets haven't given up a run to the Giants in 15 innings?"

I know he didn't jinx them like that!:wallbash:

[BoondockSaint]

Heinous!

[BoondockSaint]

Reyes y Reyes!

[Bossanova]

Reyes y Reyes!

Thats just, i don't even know

[PD]

put it in the books.

Uniform trivia- neither Reyes has an initial on their uni.
Nick Evans was given #6 again, and Trot Nixon , on DL still has #6 as well.

[Towelie]

6 is the most issued # in Mets history.

Already this year it broke the number of times a single number has been given out to separate players.

[spadanko]

Nice to see some runs scored for Johan and that he is ok. Jerry's decision to take him out after the delay

[PD]

Nice to see some runs scored for Johan and that he is ok. Jerry's decision to take him out after the delay

also nice to see Heilman return to being solid.
Everyone attributing it to a Slider, which gives hitters something else to think about.

[Towelie]

Heilman always seem to have a weird month long slump around being one of the best relievers in baseball the rest of the year

07-June ERA-4.40 (April-3.00, May-3.77, July-2.84, August-2.31 September-2.04)
06-June ERA-7.42 (April-2.63, May-3.38, July-3.86, August-3.00 September-1.42)

[spadanko]

Alou dives for ball in rehab, leaves game with hamstring tightness.. unreal.. just retire

Omar, now can you give up on him please!?

[Towelie]

Santana is probably going to pitch on Sunday out of relief

(That is if Big Pelf needs it)

[hammersavage]

Pelf won't need it but Santana out of the pen will be fun.

let's get it up to 6 today and take 2 of 3 from the Rockies who are playing really well right now. Be 5 over at the break, sounds alright to me.

[BeerBandit]

Ok, Roll Call! How many .Netters are heading to Shea Stadium this Saturday to see the Mets take on the Rockies? Piuki, BabyBandit, Big Poppa Bandit and I are going to the game with a bunch of friends (not Chip however, as getting boobs in the face apparently takes priority over America's Pasttime). It's my friend's birthday, it's BabyBandit's first and last trip to the Big Blue Cookie Cutter, and I was able to coax my father, who raised me up a Mets fan by taking me and my brother on bus trips from Port Jervis to the ballpark on so many Met Life Beach Towel days, to come to Shea for the first time since The Strike. So if you're going to the game, stop on by the Family Funster, meet the li'l un, have a red solo cup and a dog and join us for what's we hope will be a joyous Saturday afternoon.

[spadanko]

damn wish i could make it.. but taking the little one to Sesame place for the wekeend.. ah the perils of fatherhood...

would lvoe if we got a .net outing to Shea

[hammersavage]

Bumped for the early start. Don't forget kids. Off to sneak in a loooong lunch at the pub.

[PD]

Ok, Roll Call! How many .Netters are heading to Shea Stadium this Saturday to see the Mets take on the Rockies? Piuki, BabyBandit, Big Poppa Bandit and I are going to the game with a bunch of friends (not Chip however, as getting boobs in the face apparently takes priority over America's Pasttime). It's my friend's birthday, it's BabyBandit's first and last trip to the Big Blue Cookie Cutter, and I was able to coax my father, who raised me up a Mets fan by taking me and my brother on bus trips from Port Jervis to the ballpark on so many Met Life Beach Towel days, to come to Shea for the first time since The Strike. So if you're going to the game, stop on by the Family Funster, meet the li'l un, have a red solo cup and a dog and join us for what's we hope will be a joyous Saturday afternoon.



have a good day;
I'll be at shea Sunday night.

[BeerBandit]

damn wish i could make it.. but taking the little one to Sesame place for the wekeend.. ah the perils of fatherhood...

would lvoe if we got a .net outing to Shea
Yeah, those days are a couple of years away yet for us. For now I'll just force my sport allegiances on my daughter and son-on-the-way.

[hammersavage]

How could they let up a run to this team? Serious pitching issues :lol:

C'MON CARDS!!!

[BoondockSaint]

Fernando, you look marvelous.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fernando, you look marvelous.

Look, there's Sting looking for his last name in the dip.

[PD]

OK.
If we blow a 7-3 lead vs Giants in 9th, I'll really be pissed.......

Nice to see offense bail out Maine.
no gain vs Phils ,but mets need to take care of their own business.

[BoondockSaint]

Omar just said that Alou has a torn hamstring and will probably need surgery and be out for a very long time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Omar just said that Alou has a torn hamstring and will probably need surgery and be out for a very long time.

At this point, I think ALou's body is being held together with duct tape and velcro.

[PD]

Omar just said that Alou has a torn hamstring and will probably need surgery and be out for a very long time.

yes, radio said out for season.

[NickyL0885]

Omar just said that Alou has a torn hamstring and will probably need surgery and be out for a very long time.

good. But i hear the mets want Matt Holiday an they dont need to give up F-Mart for him. Rockies would want at least 1 ready to go major league starting pitcher, aka Mike Pelfrey. and if the mets do that, ill shit a brick. Then they will try to justify El Duque taking over Pelfreys spot. I dont care if Holliday can hit, dont give up on a 24 yr power righty, who was projected to be an 1-2 starter in a rotation!!!

[Towelie]

Remember when Gary said the other night that there wasn't a chance in the world the Mets sign Bonds?

He might have to change that statement soon.

[spadanko]

At least now they will do something

[Kevin]

good. But i hear the mets want Matt Holiday an they dont need to give up F-Mart for him. Rockies would want at least 1 ready to go major league starting pitcher, aka Mike Pelfrey. and if the mets do that, ill shit a brick. Then they will try to justify El Duque taking over Pelfreys spot. I dont care if Holliday can hit, dont give up on a 24 yr power righty, who was projected to be an 1-2 starter in a rotation!!!

There are alot of teams that want Holiday, I highly doubt you can get him without Martinez.

Check that.. Did not read that too well. Pelfry might do it..

Although it would be stupid, like you said.

[BoondockSaint]

Remember when Gary said the other night that there wasn't a chance in the world the Mets sign Bonds?

He might have to change that statement soon.


There's no way they are bringing him in. All that baggage, he can't play the field anymore, and his been sitting around all year so who knows if he can even hit. And what happens if they go through all of the headaches of bringing him in and he's shitty?

[NickyL0885]

I dont want Bonds. He cant play the field and he would be SUCH BAD public relations for the team. Richie Sexson just got released. He can play the outfield last i checked. Why not? low risk, high reward.

[foodcourtdruide]

There are alot of teams that want Holiday, I highly doubt you can get him without Martinez.

You don't think Pelfrey lands Holiday?

[Kevin]

You don't think Pelfrey lands Holiday?

Yea, i edited, Did not see Pelfry when i read that..

Reading is gay i say.

[BoondockSaint]

Holliday scares me. His home/away splits aren't great.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yea, i edited, Did not see Pelfry when i read that..

Reading is gay i say.

I'm iffy on it. I actually wonder what the Mets would get for O. Perez (obviously not Holiday), but if I was a contending team short on pitching I'd definitely be interested and I think he's at peak value right now.

[Kevin]

I'm iffy on it. I actually wonder what the Mets would get for O. Perez (obviously not Holiday), but if I was a contending team short on pitching I'd definitely be interested and I think he's at peak value right now.

Maybe if he has a couple more good to great starts before the break, you could get something decent for him.

[Kevin]

Holliday scares me. His home/away splits aren't great.

Maybe the Yanks should get him. Everytime Arod hears his name, he can think of that awful Madonna song and get pumped and motivated.

[BoondockSaint]

Maybe the Yanks should get him. Everytime Arod hears his name, he can think of that awful Madonna song and get pumped and motivated.

Holliday is a virgin?

[Kevin]

Holliday is a virgin?

Wasn't there an awful song with Holiday in it?

[PD]

Wasn't there an awful song with Holiday in it?

yes, but thats what made Boondock funny

[Kevin]

yes, but thats what made Boondock funny

When is he not funny?

[foodcourtdruide]

Maybe if he has a couple more good to great starts before the break, you could get something decent for him.

What's funny is his numbers really aren't great, but he has insanely good stuff. I think he'd be a really good fit on the Red Sox. Would a Perez/Ellsbury swap be insane? Eh... probably. But who would the Red Sox be willing to give up for Perez?

[Towelie]

Oliver Perez will not be traded.

End of story.

[Kevin]

What's funny is his numbers really aren't great, but he has insanely good stuff. I think he'd be a really good fit on the Red Sox. Would a Perez/Ellsbury swap be insane? Eh... probably. But who would the Red Sox be willing to give up for Perez?

Yea, Elsbury is not happening.. They did not want to give him up fpr Johan.

[foodcourtdruide]

Oliver Perez will not be traded.

End of story.

Why not? I think his value is high right now and he's probably not going to re-sign next year. We have a HUGE hole in LF that needs to be addressed.

[Kevin]

Oliver Perez will not be traded.

End of story.

Its not an insane idea to deal him.. He is too inconstant, how do you know he won't go back into a funk. With Boras as his agent, he is gunna want a ton, i do not know if the Mets would pay that, especially if he goes back in one of his ruts.

Edit: Basicaly what foodcourt said.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yea, Elsbury is not happening.. They did not want to give him up fpr Johan.

Definitely not. I don't even know why I bought him up. Though I would have dealt him for Johan in a second.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

nice we beat the Baseball G Men


the Rockies just got humbled by the Braves


Maybe we can keep the momentum flowing

[Towelie]

Its not an insane idea to deal him.. He is too inconstant, how do you know he won't go back into a funk. With Boras as his agent, he is gunna want a ton, i do not know if the Mets would pay that, especially if he goes back in one of his ruts.

Yes it is an insane idea to trade him.

Worst comes to worst the Mets offer him arbitration and either get him for 1 more year or get 2 draft picks.

No way 100 % absolutely will not be traded.

[Kevin]

Yes it is an insane idea to trade him.

Worst comes to worst the Mets offer him arbitration and either get him for 1 more year or get 2 draft picks.

No way 100 % absolutely will no be traded.

I don't think his stats are good enough to be a type A fa, maybe they are, i am not sure how that works..

[K.C.]

I don't think his stats are good enough to be a type A fa, maybe they are, i am not sure how that works..

Ollie will be a Type A.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes it is an insane idea to trade him.

Worst comes to worst the Mets offer him arbitration and either get him for 1 more year or get 2 draft picks.

No way 100 % absolutely will not be traded.

There is no way he'll go to arbitration. Come on, you've watched him pitch. He's so freaking unpredictable. Another team may buy into him because he pitches well in big spots, but would you be surprised if he ended this season with a 4.90 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP?

[Towelie]

I don't think his stats are good enough to be a type A fa, maybe they are, i am not sure how that works..

The fact that he was a 15 game winner last year virtually guarantees he'll be a Type A

[Kevin]

The fact that he was a 15 game winner last year virtually guarantees he'll be a Type A

Yea, fair enough.

Question.. Say a month ago, would you think the Mets would keep him, and if you felt you can get something for him, would you deal him?

[Towelie]

There is no way he'll go to arbitration. Come on, you've watched him pitch. He's so freaking unpredictable. Another team may buy into him because he pitches well in big spots, but would you be surprised if he ended this season with a 4.90 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP?

If he doesn't get him 5/75 (which is probably just a starting point), he has nothing to lose going back into arbitration and taking a big one year payday (which he will win) and going back out onto the market next year.

A year at CitiField shouldn't hurt his stats at all, considering its going to play nearly identical to Shea.

[K.C.]

There is no way he'll go to arbitration. Come on, you've watched him pitch. He's so freaking unpredictable. Another team may buy into him because he pitches well in big spots, but would you be surprised if he ended this season with a 4.90 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP?


You guys look at this from a Mets perspective, and I agree...it's not in their best interests to trade Oliver Perez.

But look at it from the perspective of another team. Why the hell would you give up anything of value for that guy? His last couple starts aside, it's like playing Russian Roulette with the guy. And he's most likely not going to sign a contract extension before testing the market.

So it's not worth giving up good prospects or even a good MLB-ready player to get him at this point.


And the Mets will never get back what he could potentially give them down the stretch, so it's in no one's interests to deal him on any end.

[Towelie]

Yea, fair enough.

Question.. Say a month ago, would you think the Mets would keep him, and if you felt you can get something for him, would you deal him?

Personally, I'm a huge Ollie mark so myself personally I wouldn't trade him.

However in larger scheme of things, I wouldn't have been horrified if they would have gotten good value for him

But as of right now, since he's been allowed to move to where he wants to on the rubber he's been nothing short of brilliant.

And he's proven his worth in every single big game he's pitched as a Met. Its those Wed afternoon games against the Nationals that seem to kill him.

[PD]

You guys look at this from a Mets perspective, and I agree...it's not in their best interests to trade Oliver Perez.

But look at it from the perspective of another team. Why the hell would you give up anything of value for that guy? His last couple starts aside, it's like playing Russian Roulette with the guy. And he's most likely not going to sign a contract extension before testing the market.

So it's not worth giving up good prospects or even a good MLB-ready player to get him at this point.


And the Mets will never get back what he could potentially give them down the stretch, so it's in no one's interests to deal him on any end.

which is why Towlie is right- he won't get traded.

and foodcourt- that's one reason you offer arbitration to a Ollie Perez.
its only money, and for a player like him you want to insure the pics.
Hell, who woulda thought Glavine would be worth the extra pic?

[foodcourtdruide]

Ollie will be a Type A.

Type A players are the top 20% of their position determined by Elias.

I don't think Perez will fall into this.

[foodcourtdruide]

You guys look at this from a Mets perspective, and I agree...it's not in their best interests to trade Oliver Perez.

But look at it from the perspective of another team. Why the hell would you give up anything of value for that guy? His last couple starts aside, it's like playing Russian Roulette with the guy. And he's most likely not going to sign a contract extension before testing the market.

So it's not worth giving up good prospects or even a good MLB-ready player to get him at this point.


And the Mets will never get back what he could potentially give them down the stretch, so it's in no one's interests to deal him on any end.

If I needed a lefty starter I'd take a risk on him. The Mets won't get back Holiday or a future hall of famer, but they may get something they can stick in left field. I'm not looking at this from a Mets perspective, I think he'd be a pretty good fit on the Red Sox.

[Towelie]

Type A players are the top 20% of their position determined by Elias.

I don't think Perez will fall into this.

Here were some of the Type A rankings given out last year

Barry Zito, Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, Doug Davis, Dontrelle Willis, Chuck James

At the VERY worst he'll be a type B, which still gets us compensation.

[foodcourtdruide]

which is why Towlie is right- he won't get traded.

and foodcourt- that's one reason you offer arbitration to a Ollie Perez.
its only money, and for a player like him you want to insure the pics.
Hell, who woulda thought Glavine would be worth the extra pic?

Oh, if he sticks around he'll definitely be offerred arbitration. I have no doubt about that. But do you think he'll be a TypeA or TypeB?

[PD]

Oh, if he sticks around he'll definitely be offerred arbitration. I have no doubt about that. But do you think he'll be a TypeA or TypeB?

I believe that type A isn't just last year; I think its 2 years.
Remember Glavine was type A.

[NickyL0885]

if they trade Ollie, who replaces him in the rotation? huh? ZACTLY!

[K.C.]

If I needed a lefty starter I'd take a risk on him. The Mets won't get back Holiday or a future hall of famer, but they may get something they can stick in left field. I'm not looking at this from a Mets perspective, I think he'd be a pretty good fit on the Red Sox.

I really don't think the Red Sox would give up anything of value off their MLB roster, other than MAYBE Coco Crisp, just because he's kind of expendable.

If they wouldn't give up Ellsbury for Santana, they sure as hell won't give up Ellsbury for Perez.

So maybe you get a marginal outfielder, which is what Crisp is, or one decent minor league prospect.

I don't really see how either are more valuable for the Mets than Perez.


And I HATE both the Mets, and Perez.

[foodcourtdruide]

Here's the criteria they use to determine TypeA/TypeB free agents:
Total games (total starts + 0.5 * total relief appearances), IP, Wins, W-L Percentage, ERA, Strikeouts

That's what's used for starting pitchers. If his ERA is over 4.50 and he has a 500 record

He's currently tied for 89th in innings pitched, tied 43rd for k's, tied for 58th in wins, tied for 41 in GS and he has an ERA above 4.5. I really don't think he's a guarentee to be a typeA FA.

[Kevin]

I really don't think the Red Sox would give up anything of value off their MLB roster, other than MAYBE Coco Crisp, just because he's kind of expendable.

If they wouldn't give up Ellsbury for Santana, they sure as hell won't give up Ellsbury for Perez.

So maybe you get a marginal outfielder, which is what Crisp is, or one decent minor league prospect.

I don't really see how either are more valuable for the Mets than Perez.


And I HATE both the Mets, and Perez.

Shut up, when did this happen?

[PD]

Here's the criteria they use to determine TypeA/TypeB free agents:
Total games (total starts + 0.5 * total relief appearances), IP, Wins, W-L Percentage, ERA, Strikeouts

That's what's used for starting pitchers. If his ERA is over 4.50 and he has a 500 record

He's currently tied for 89th in innings pitched, tied 43rd for k's, tied for 58th in wins, tied for 41 in GS and he has an ERA above 4.5. I really don't think he's a guarentee to be a typeA FA.

its at least 2 years.
Look at this blog from Keith Law
Explaining Type A, B free agents (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2678840&name=law_keith)
• Type A players, ranked in the top 30 percent of players at their positions.
.....
n this respect, the formula is based on where a player ranks in relation to his peers in each category -- not how the player actually performed. If you led all players at your position in home runs over the past two years, it wouldn't matter if you hit 40 or 80 -- you'd get the same number of points.

anyway, while not guaranteed, its better than you might think.

[foodcourtdruide]

I really don't think the Red Sox would give up anything of value off their MLB roster, other than MAYBE Coco Crisp, just because he's kind of expendable.

If they wouldn't give up Ellsbury for Santana, they sure as hell won't give up Ellsbury for Perez.

So maybe you get a marginal outfielder, which is what Crisp is, or one decent minor league prospect.

I don't really see how either are more valuable for the Mets than Perez.


And I HATE both the Mets, and Perez.

Let's pretend I never bought up Elsbury! :)

I see your point though.

[foodcourtdruide]

its at least 2 years.
Look at this blog from Keith Law
Explaining Type A, B free agents (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2678840&name=law_keith)


anyway, while not guaranteed, its better than you might think.

That's funny, I read 20%:
http://baseball.about.com/od/majorleaguebasics/a/freeagentprimer.htm

Maybe it's different for pitchers and this article didn't elaborate?

Perez had pretty good numbers last year, but I'd still say if he pitches as consistantly inconsistant as he has this year, he may not be a Type A.

[Towelie]

Last year Ollie was 9th in the NL in ERA, 10th in strikeouts, and 8th in wins.

Those aren't pretty good numbers, those are ace #s.

[PD]

anyway, let's hope they keep it up vs Rocks

[spadanko]

David Wright will replace Cubs OF Alfonso Soriano on the National League All-Star Team.

…thanks to superstar Jeff Goldman for the information…

MLB.com reported earlier this week that Soriano is expected to miss at least six weeks after suffering a broken bone in his left hand on Wednesday night.

…unreal, after all of that voting wright gets in anyway…

[Kevin]

David Wright will replace Cubs OF Alfonso Soriano on the National League All-Star Team.

…thanks to superstar Jeff Goldman for the information…

MLB.com reported earlier this week that Soriano is expected to miss at least six weeks after suffering a broken bone in his left hand on Wednesday night.

…unreal, after all of that voting wright gets in anyway…

Didnt someone else replace him?

[spadanko]

Didnt someone else replace him?


Holliday replaced him in the starting lineup. Wright got the spot that opened up

[BoondockSaint]

I hope he doesn't enter the home run contest.

[spadanko]

I hope he doesn't enter the home run contest.

NL already has their team:

Uggla
Utley
Berkman
Braun

[Kevin]

NL already has their team:

Uggla
Utley
Berkman
Braun

U's and B's eh.

[BeerBandit]

U's and B's eh.

NL already has their team:

Uggla
Utley
Berkman
Braun
It's like some Swedish Pop Group. UBBU.

[PD]

NL already has their team:

Uggla
Utley
Berkman
Braun

with a little bit of luck, Utley will catch the HR contest curse - ala Abreau & Wright.

[K.C.]

with a little bit of luck, Utley will catch the HR contest curse - ala Abreau & Wright.

With the way Rhino's playing, who needs him.

Howard will hit AT LEAST 97 home runs this season.

That's a conservative estimate. Personally I see him up around 115/120 when it's all over.

:clap:

[Towelie]

Josh Hamilton is going to destroy the HR derby.

I'm calling at least 4 upper deckers from JH

[hammersavage]

I want it on record that I don't trust Pedro Feliciano at all. Regardless of what happens right now.

[cougarjake13]

the mets are on easley street !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[docgoblin]

Great win!!! Offense was sluggish, pitchers were in trouble all night, yet they found a way to pull it out... Excellent save by Wagner!:clap::clap:

[cougarjake13]

another nice performance by ollie


and what happened to wagner, did he have a flashback and think he was in an astros uni ??

[Towelie]

They are finding ways to win like they did in 2006.

Random guys, late innings, comebacks.

I love it.

C'mon D-Backs!!

[BoondockSaint]

Another good win for hottest team in baseball.

BTW, that Kevin James thing they show on the scoreboard is the worst thing ever.

[cougarjake13]

Another good win for hottest team in baseball.

BTW, that Kevin James thing they show on the scoreboard is the worst thing ever.

didnt see it


what is it some gay pump up the team thing ???

[Kevin]

Another good win for hottest team in baseball.

BTW, that Kevin James thing they show on the scoreboard is the worst thing ever.

Is anything Kevin ever any good?

[BoondockSaint]

Is anything Kevin ever any good?

Kevin Maas.

[Towelie]

I miss the walk over to your window clip from Network

I HATE the Chris Rock and Kevin James ones

[Kevin]

Kevin Maas.

Good point..

[spadanko]

I miss the walk over to your window clip from Network

I HATE the Chris Rock and Kevin James ones


yes sir.. that shit was the best.. and the curley shuffle

[BeerBandit]

The Bandit Clan is heading out in about an hour. Wish us (and Pedro) luck!

[docgoblin]

The Bandit Clan is heading out in about an hour. Wish us (and Pedro) luck!

Good luck Usand Pedro!:tongue:

[hammersavage]

They've let up 3 hits in each of the last 4 games. That's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard of. Suck my shit Rick Peterson.

[NickyL0885]

I dont want Omar messing with the staff. Leave it be. Its pitching good now. Let El Duque rot in the minors or the pen.

[hammersavage]

Definitely give el Duque relief duties. There's no way they would have him come back a starter, doesn't make any sense, but out of the pen in high pressure situations, which he has shown a proclivity towards, would work best IMO.

[K.C.]

Definitely give el Duque relief duties. There's no way they would have him come back a starter, doesn't make any sense, but out of the pen in high pressure situations, which he has shown a proclivity towards, would work best IMO.

I'd say save him for the playoffs, because El Duque owns them, but you guys won't be there.

:happy:

[K.C.]

With Alou Out, Mets Looking At Ibañez
By Alejandro Leal [July 12 at 10:56am CST]

The possible career-ending injury to Moises Alou means the Mets have to look at the trade market for a replacement, and baseball sources are telling Newsday's Anthony Rieber the Mariner's Raul Ibañez is a possibility.

Joel Sherman of the NY Post reports that if the Mets are willing to take some money, "they might be able to use a Double-A corner player such as Mike Carp, Nick Evans or David Murphy to complete a deal."

Ibañez is in the last year of his contract and can become a free agent next year. The Mariners have the worst record in baseball and are in the cusp of full sell-mode.

Ibañez is the M's best player, but at 36 and in the current trade market he's more of a commodity than a franchise player.

The Manhattan-native played with Carlos Beltran in Kansas City.

"He's a great guy," Beltran told Rieber. "Love him as a person, as a player. Great guy, great guy. I think he's a great, great player. A player no one really talks about, but he always does his job. Driving in 80, 90, 100 runs, hits 25, 30 home runs, plays hard."

Alejandro A. Leal writes for UmpBump.com. Comments? Rumors? Email me: alexo05 (at) umpbump (daught) com.

Got to admit it, it'd be a good fit.

[BoondockSaint]

Raul Ibanez for Nick Evans and cash? Done.

[foodcourtdruide]

Raul Ibanez for Nick Evans and cash? Done.

In a heartbeat!

[foodcourtdruide]

I miss the walk over to your window clip from Network

I HATE the Chris Rock and Kevin James ones

Agreed. Kevin James' show is AWFUL. My wife watches it sometimes and I can barely sit through it. OHHHHHHH he's stupid and she's mean, but in the end he's really a good guy and she has the best intentions, but she's just rough around the edges... we get it.

[cougarjake13]

to end the 4th a ground ball to jose to set up a double play

the other reyes was almost on 2nd when jose got to the ball

jose elected to take the ball to 2nd himself and throw on to 1st, almost not making it in time



maybe jose didnt trust the other reyes to complete it , there was plenty of time if he flipped it to the other reyes and on to first

[BoondockSaint]

Pedro's hurt. Fantastic.

[Towelie]

Precautionary measure.

Plus its not his arm.

So I'm not too worried, especially with Philly getting blown out today

[BoondockSaint]

Off the scoreboard!

[BoondockSaint]

Precautionary measure.

Plus its not his arm.

So I'm not too worried, especially with Philly getting blown out today

Now they're saying it's right shoulder soreness. Good job, jinxy.

[Towelie]

Manuel said it happens every start.

He's still sitting in the dugout. If it was a major issue, he wouldnt be there.

[cougarjake13]

Manuel said it happens every start.

He's still sitting in the dugout. If it was a major issue, he wouldnt be there.



thats not good if he can only go 4 innings a start

[Towelie]

Adam Eaton is currently my favorite player in the majors

[Towelie]

Another fucking one hitter.

Oh well.

At least we're tied for first in the loss column now

[hammersavage]

4 runs and 13 hits in 5 games. thats just unreal. fuck this all star break, lets keep playing.

[Towelie]

Seriously. Talk about a bad time for the ASG.

[Towelie]

Manuel said that the pain in Pedro's groin made him change his stride slightly which led to the discomfort in his shoulder.

He said he's making his next start no doubt.

[Kevin]

Manuel said that the pain in Pedro's groin made him change his stride slightly which led to the discomfort in his shoulder.

He said he's making his next start no doubt.

Yea, with the ASG, you could set up the rotation and really push him back, maybe give him like 10 11 days.

[Bossanova]

Yea, with the ASG, you could set up the rotation and really push him back, maybe give him like 10 11 days.

Do you think that if Omar hangs on to his job, he will have learned his lesson and sign some younger guys next year? These old guys are seriously one game away every day from the end of their career

[Kevin]

Do you think that if Omar hangs on to his job, he will have learned his lesson and sign some younger guys next year? These old guys are seriously one game away every day from the end of their career

err.. He is going after Raul Ibanez.. Any questions?

[Bossanova]

err.. He is going after Raul Ibanez.. Any questions?

HAHA, what? He is younger than Grif and Bonds

[Kevin]

HAHA, what? He is younger than Grif and Bonds

A very young 37 next year..