New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Towelie]

How much longer have I been on this board?

We all talk back and forth....and quite frankly I read them all.

I'll talk O's, Cubs...I think Epo's Brewers thread didn't make it past post #5, but I'd of been in on that too.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/MaxVest/backpedal.jpg

[Kevin]

Man, that Wright home run would have looked nice if Reyes hadn't got picked off last inning...

D'oh.

Reyes wouda fucked it up by not touching home because he would be too busy celabratng, thus negating the entire hr.

Don't know if that possible but i ran with it..

[NickyL0885]

I agree with Towelie about everything. Hes right. Jeter is mediocre. Reyes will prob go on to have a better career. Just like the players just voted, hes the most overrated player. yankee fans brag about his 4 rings. What has he done lately? EXACTLY! no rings at all. he isnt even the best SS on his own team. Face it, A-Rod should be at short with Jeter at 2B.

[Towelie]

I never said Jeter was a mediocre player, just a mediocre fielder.

He's been a hitting machine his entire career, but he's getting old and fast.

[Kevin]

I agree with Towelie about everything. Hes right. Jeter is mediocre. Reyes will prob go on to have a better career. Just like the players just voted, hes the most overrated player. yankee fans brag about his 4 rings. What has he done lately? EXACTLY! no rings at all. he isnt even the best SS on his own team. Face it, A-Rod should be at short with Jeter at 2B.

Yea, and Reyes has been racking up those rings.

And everyone who saw that said the exact same thing.

Jealousy, pure and simple jealousy. Even Gammons who is the ultimate Redsox Homer said it.

Reyes is Louis Castillo, nothing more nothing less.

[Bossanova]

I agree with Towelie about everything. Hes right. Jeter is mediocre. Reyes will prob go on to have a better career. Just like the players just voted, hes the most overrated player. yankee fans brag about his 4 rings. What has he done lately? EXACTLY! no rings at all. he isnt even the best SS on his own team. Face it, A-Rod should be at short with Jeter at 2B.

all true, but the argument is moot being as Jeter is 9 years older. Arod is WAY to big to play short stop not. He could never cover that ground. Jeter has lost his range and isnt what he was, but for us Met fans to sit here and say he isnt any good anymore is crazy talk. And again. I FUCKING HATE JETER. He isn't a top 5 fielding short stop, but Reyes has like 30 errors this year. How can we trash anyones SS

[Towelie]

Reyes is Louis Castillo, nothing more nothing less.

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/picard-no-facepalm.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

Jeter is currently an average fielder, but he's easily a first ballot hall of famer. I think he's gotten worse fielding as he's gotten older, but I don't have any stats to back me up, I'm just basing that on the handful of Yankees games I watch each year.

I think if I could have Jeter or Reyes for this year, I'd pick Jeter, however if I was drafting a team I'd pick Reyes because of his age. I think that's a no brainer.

[Kevin]

Check that, i just checked Castillos stats, thought they were better than that. Reyes is much better. But Its not like Reyes avg 20+hrs either.

[Kevin]

Jeter is currently an average fielder, but he's easily a first ballot hall of famer. I think he's gotten worse fielding as he's gotten older, but I don't have any stats to back me up, I'm just basing that on the handful of Yankees games I watch each year.

I think if I could have Jeter or Reyes for this year, I'd pick Jeter, however if I was drafting a team I'd pick Reyes because of his age. I think that's a no brainer.

Well yea, but if they were both 25. People take Jeter every time they pick.

[Towelie]

I think if I could have Jeter or Reyes for this year, I'd pick Jeter, however if I was drafting a team I'd pick Reyes because of his age. I think that's a no brainer.

So you're fine with taking the guy with a lower BA, a lower SLG, a lower OBP, less hits, less runs, less walks, less homers, less doubles, less triples and less stolen bases?

Ah.

[NickyL0885]

Perhaps im biased. i dont know. Im not denying Jeters talent. maybe i just hate him b/c he comes off as an asshole.

[foodcourtdruide]

Well yea, but if they were both 25. People take Jeter every time they pick.

Hindsight is 20/20, Jeter has had a hall of fame career. Saying Reyes will have a better career than Jeter is very pie in the sky.

[Kevin]

Is felliciano strictly a 1 inning guy? He dominated that inning, i would have put him out there again.

[Bossanova]

Here is the thing. No matter what the fuck the stats are, this is what means something to me. Jeter is the captain and even though he bailed on Arod you never have to worry about him giving up on the season because the manager sat him. Just like Rollins did earlier this month, you get benched you suck it up and move on. Reyes is a baby and can not be trusted to lead this team or be there when it gets tough.

[Kevin]

So you're fine with taking the guy with a lower BA, a lower SLG, a lower OBP, less hits, less runs, less walks, less homers, less doubles, less triples and less stolen bases?

Ah.

Yes, because he does not disappear when it counts and make stupid mental errors every 2 3 games. Its not all about stats.

[foodcourtdruide]

So you're fine with taking the guy with a lower BA, a lower SLG, a lower OBP, less hits, less runs, less walks, less homers, less doubles, less triples and less stolen bases?

Ah.

You know, when I made that statement I didn't realize how poor Jeter's power numbers were this year, egg is on my face! I take Reyes.

[Towelie]

Is felliciano strictly a 1 inning guy? He dominated that inning, i would have put him out there again.

One of Manuel's key points coming inning was trying to have strictly defined roles for these guys.

Looks like he's setting up the pen as if the Mets will get the ball to Wagner with a lead.

Anything more then a 1 run lead, he'd probably be out there again

[Kevin]

You know, when I made that statement I didn't realize how poor Jeter's power numbers were this year, egg is on my face! I take Reyes.

Reyes has 9 hrs to Jeters 3, its not like 20-3 And Reyas has like 5 more doubles. Its not like its a gigantic difference

[foodcourtdruide]

Is felliciano strictly a 1 inning guy? He dominated that inning, i would have put him out there again.

Agreed.

[Towelie]

Yes, because he does not disappear when it counts and make stupid mental errors every 2 3 games. Its not all about stats.

Every 2 to 3 games?

What?

Just stop it.

[foodcourtdruide]

Reyes has 9 hrs to Jeters 3, its not like 20-3

His slugging is almost .100 points higher, that's pretty big.

[K.C.]

Every 2 to 3 games?

What?

Just stop it.


I can't blame you for blocking out the entire month of September 2007 in your mind.

It had to have been scarring to watch.

[Towelie]

I can't blame you for blocking out the entire month of September 2007 in your mind.

It had to have been scarring to watch.

And yet the Phillies won exactly as many playoff games as the Mets did.

Funny how that worked out.

[foodcourtdruide]

lol can't we all just be baseball fans???

Ok, I'll try to bring up a topic. Andy Pettitte, hall of famer?

[Kevin]

Every 2 to 3 games?

What?

Just stop it.

Every time i turn on a Mets game i see this guy do something stupid. The bigger the spot.

[K.C.]

And yet the Phillies won exactly as many playoff games as the Mets did.

Funny how that worked out.


Not as funny as watching Reyes flop around the field the entire month of September.


Or as funny as this:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_HUIXupNDjuQ/R9gJUhhXpSI/AAAAAAAAADw/xAxahtfcloU/S259/Mets+2007.png

I have to see if I can get that made into a pattern...I'd gladly wallpaper my entire house with that.

[Bossanova]

And yet the Phillies won exactly as many playoff games as the Mets did.

Funny how that worked out.

Bro, I rooted for a Phillies sweep as well, but you can't use that argument when the Mets gave up a 7 game lead and didn't even get a chance to play in the post season. I am all for beefing up the Mets, but this is craziness. The Mets tanked, what is there to be cocky about

[Towelie]

Every time i turn on a Mets game i see this guy do something stupid. The bigger the spot.

Please, give me another example this year where he did something stupid in a big spot.

[Bossanova]

Please, give me another example this year where he did something stupid in a big spot.

Have we had that many big spots?

[K.C.]

lol can't we all just be baseball fans???

Ok, I'll try to bring up a topic. Andy Pettitte, hall of famer?


You know what, if they're considering Schilling, it gives a little credibility to Pettitte.

But to answer the question, no...numbers aren't nearly good enough.

[Towelie]

Bro, I rooted for a Phillies sweep as well, but you can't use that argument when the Mets gave up a 7 game lead and didn't even get a chance to play in the post season. I am all for beefing up the Mets, but this is craziness. The Mets tanked, what is there to be cocky about

No bragging. But KC talks about the collapse as if it lead to some miracle Philadelphia sports resurgence.

They played 3 more games.

Would we have won the WS if we got in? Probably not. But we certainly wouldnt have gotten wrecked like Philly did.

I'd rather have the collapse then lose to Boston in the WS, which probably would have been the case.

[Kevin]

http://users.gsinet.net/jlariv/sombrero.jpg

[Towelie]

Have we had that many big spots?

Apparently.

And apparently Reyes has been the reason we have blow every single one of them.

Funny how the guy who has been the best player on the team all year is also the worst.

Odd really.

[K.C.]

Would we have won the WS if we got in? Probably not. But we certainly wouldnt have gotten wrecked like Philly did.


What the hell are you basing that on other than speculation, or blind faith?

I seem to remember the Rockies wrecking everyone up until the World Series.

Hell, they won 21 of 22 games before playing Boston.

[Kevin]

Please, give me another example this year where he did something stupid in a big spot.

Reyes has gotten picked off 2nd at least one other time this year.

[Bossanova]

Honestly, Santana has come up small in more big spots than Reyes

[foodcourtdruide]

You know what, if they're considering Schilling, it gives a little credibility to Pettitte.

But to answer the question, no...numbers aren't nearly good enough.

He's a guy I'd hate to see in the hall of fame. I really want the hall of fame to be the elite players of their time, and while Pettitte has been really good he's never won a cy young and only finished second in the running once.

[docgoblin]

Game over... Good night Gracie! Perez going tomorrow. Mets win three in Yankee stadium, Yanks win three at Shea. Ironic end for the final year of the inter-league series in the two parks.

[Bossanova]

He's a guy I'd hate to see in the hall of fame. I really want the hall of fame to be the elite players of their time, and while Pettitte has been really good he's never won a cy young and only finished second in the running once.

It is harder to get in as a pitcher IMO

[Kevin]

Honestly, Santana has come up small in more big spots than Reyes

But but look at the STATS 3.01 ERA!!! How can u say that!

[Towelie]

Not as funny as watching Reyes flop around the field the entire month of September.


Or as funny as this:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_HUIXupNDjuQ/R9gJUhhXpSI/AAAAAAAAADw/xAxahtfcloU/S259/Mets+2007.png

I have to see if I can get that made into a pattern...I'd gladly wallpaper my entire house with that.

Guess you can replace this one

http://images.ourfaves.com/images/User/john/p669822374_o.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to break up this love fest with Towelie, but check this out:

ONE FLAG! (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=3DA26644932421D97ED7F0503DA7A63D ?contentId=6871329&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1&Ouch)

[foodcourtdruide]

It is harder to get in as a pitcher IMO

Tim McCarver, who is terrible, thinks Pettitte can get 70 more wins before he retires.

[Kevin]

Guess you can replace this one

http://images.ourfaves.com/images/User/john/p669822374_o.jpg

Thats gotta hurt..

[Bossanova]

But but look at the STATS 2.90 ERA!!! How can u say that!

I know his era is great. That is really due to a three game stretch. And yes the offense is doing to him what they did to Glavine, but he hasn't been lights out when they NEED him. He wins when they have been on a "roll" not when they need to end a skid

[Towelie]

But but look at the STATS 3.01 ERA!!! How can u say that!

Santana Allows vs Mets Score:

1 ER, Mets score 2 (L)
4 ER, Mets score 1 (L)
0 ER, Mets score 4 (ND - lose 5-4, all runs after Santana leaves)
1 ER, Mets score 1 (L)
1 ER, Mets score 6 (W)
3 ER, Mets score 5 (W)
3 ER, Mets score 2 (L)
4 ER, Mets score 6 (W)
3 ER, Mets score 12 (W)
1 ER, Mets score 5 (ND)
2 ER, Mets score 5 (ND)
3 ER, Mets score 7 (W)
3 ER, Mets score 6 (W)
4 ER, Mets score 3 (L)
1 ER, Mets score 1 (L)
2 ER, Mets score 7 (W)

We're 9-7 when he pitches. In the seven losses, we've scored: 2, 1, 4, 1, 2, 3, and 1 runs.

When we score 4+ runs in a Santana start, we are 9-1
When we score 3- runs in a Santana start, we are 0-6

Yea, he's been terrible

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Kevin]

Yea, he's been terrible

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

He is still if this goes, 7-7 And he shit the bed in Annaheim and vs Seattle, i dont care how many un earned runs. You needed his to come up big and most times this year, he has not.

And HE GAVE UP A GRANDSLAM OFF THE SCORE BOARD TO AN AMERICAN LEAGUE PITCHER. Come on man, wake up. STATS DON'T ALWAYS TELL THE STORY.

[Bossanova]

He is still if this goes, 7-7 And he shit the bed in Annaheim and vs Seattle, i dont care how many un earned runs. You needed his to come up big and most times this year, he has not.

I can't see how anyone is happy with him at this point. Fuck the money. HE IS JOHAN SANTANA, 9-7 is not good enough

[K.C.]

He is still if this goes, 7-7 And he shit the bed in Annaheim and vs Seattle, i dont care how many un earned runs. You needed his to come up big and most times this year, he has not.


And HOW!

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Although I'll honestly agree with Towelie on that one...expectations of Santana were pretty unrealistic from Mets fans. He's not their problem.

[Bossanova]

And HOW!

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And I was defending you. You prick

[foodcourtdruide]

He is still if this goes, 7-7 And he shit the bed in Annaheim and vs Seattle, i dont care how many un earned runs. You needed his to come up big and most times this year, he has not.

Why does his record being 7-7 mean anything? He can't control how many runs his team scores. He's given up 1 run in 5 games this year, and his record is 1-3 in those games.

[Towelie]

He is still if this goes, 7-7 And he shit the bed in Annaheim and vs Seattle, i dont care how many un earned runs. You needed his to come up big and most times this year, he has not.

You do realize that for the course of his entire career he's been a 2nd half pitcher.

Career first half: 50-33 3.50

Career second half: 50-17 2.79

I know, its just stats. They are silly.

[docgoblin]

Honestly, Santana has come up small in more big spots than Reyes

The Santana show is not impressing me this year, but I said the same thing about Beltran and he rebounded well in his second and third year with the club. You can't give up on him despite what happens the rest of the year. His ERA and WHIP are very solid by the way, maybe we should look at his offensive support.

[Kevin]

You do realize that for the course of his entire career he's been a 2nd half pitcher.

Career first half: 50-33 3.50

Career second half: 50-17 2.79

I know, its just stats. They are silly.

He does not have NEAR the stuff that he had when he had those 2nd halves. He threw 96 97 back then, Now he is lucky if he reaches 93 94.

[Bossanova]

The Santana show is not impressing me this year, but I said the same thing about Beltran and he rebounded well in his second and third year with the club. You can't give up on him despite what happens the rest of the year. His ERA and WHIP are very solid by the way, maybe we should look at his offensive support.

I am not giving up, and i always supported Beltran. I am just not going to give hime a pass on why they suck this year

[K.C.]

And I was defending you. You prick


What?!

I was trying to help you make your point!

[Kevin]

And let me say this again because i edited my last quote and its maybe not seen..

HE GAVE UP A GRANDSLAM TO A AMERICAN LEAGUE PITCHER OFF THE SCOREBOARD. COME ON WAKE UP, Stats do not always tell the story.e2

[foodcourtdruide]

I am not giving up, and i always supported Beltran. I am just not going to give hime a pass on why they suck this year

I think it's pretty easy to see why the Mets are mediocare this year, the LEAST of their problems is Santana.

[Bossanova]

What?!

I was trying to help you make your point!

HAHA, I know. I just didn't need to see that again

[Bossanova]

I think it's pretty easy to see why the Mets are mediocare this year, the LEAST of their problems is Santana.

I still don't need to suck his cock

[foodcourtdruide]

I still don't need to suck his cock

Not saying to do that, but my point is that he's been fine this year. Definitely least of my concerns with a team that currently has Trot Nixon and Fernando Tatis in the starting line-up and is committed to Castillo for 3 more years.

[Bossanova]

Not saying to do that, but my point is that he's been fine this year. Definitely least of my concerns with a team that currently has Trot Nixon and Fernando Tatis in the starting line-up and is committed to Castillo for 3 more years.

Agreed. Fire Omar and no more guys over 36

[foodcourtdruide]

Agreed. Fire Omar and no more guys over 36

Omar has made so many bad decisions for this season. I wouldn't mind if they fired him.

[docgoblin]

And let me say this again because i edited my last quote and its maybe not seen..

HE GAVE UP A GRANDSLAM TO A AMERICAN LEAGUE PITCHER OFF THE SCOREBOARD. COME ON WAKE UP, Stats do not always tell the story.e2

I can't argue with that... It was a nightmare!

[Kevin]

I still don't need to suck his cock

Too busy with Gvac's ZING!

[Kevin]

And HOW!

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Although I'll honestly agree with Towelie on that one...expectations of Santana were pretty unrealistic from Mets fans. He's not their problem.

Speaking of homer announcers.. Where was the ITS OUTA HERE OUTA HERE OUTA HERE!! From Gary? I mean An American leauge pitcher hitting a granny off your ace is pretty big, and deserves a big call.. No?

[Bossanova]

Speaking of homer announcers.. Where was the ITS OUTA HERE OUTA HERE OUTA HERE!! From Gary? I mean An American leauge pitcher hitting a granny off your ace is pretty big, and deserves a big call.. No?

Yeah, he was disgusted. But he made sure we all knew Delgado hit his second yesterday

[Kevin]

Yeah, he was disgusted. But he made sure we all knew Delgado hit his second yesterday

Well it was a big hr that made it 15-6 instead of 12-6, you can understand it...

[lleeder]

Reyes has gotten picked off 2nd at least one other time this year.

Actually one other time against the Yankees and and another time in that same week.

[Bossanova]

Well it was a big hr that made it 15-6 instead of 12-6 you can understand it...

You do make a good point. And it was MET history for rbi's.

[docgoblin]

Omar has made so many bad decisions for this season. I wouldn't mind if they fired him.

Not only this season... How's Bannister and Nady doing? He only compounded the problem after Phillips giving away Kazmir for nothing.

[Kevin]

Actually one other time against the Yankees and and another time in that same week.

There you go

[Kevin]

Not only this season... How's Bannister and Nady doing? He only compounded the problem after Phillips giving away Kazmir for nothing.

Eh, Bannister had a good year last year, started out well this but has had a REALLY shitty year

7-6 4.47 era.

[Kevin]

You do make a good point. And it was MET history for rbi's.

Thats like saying Dinilo Gallinari will break the Knicks single game scoring record next year.. Is that really anything special?

[Bossanova]

Thats like saying Dinilo Gallinari will break the Knicks single game scoring record next year.. Is that really anything special?

HAHA. Is anythng my teams do special?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Too busy with Gvac's ZING!

Who?

Like BDC, he took the walk down Washout Alley!

http://movies.infinitecoolness.com/08/starshiptroopers13.jpg

[K.C.]

HAHA. Is anythng my teams do special?

You're an Eagles fan, right?

The answer is no.

[Kevin]

HAHA. Is anythng my teams do special?

Macnabb looked pretty special when he puked in the...


Nevermind..

[Bossanova]

You're an Eagles fan, right?

The answer is no.

HAHA. I hate sports

[Kevin]

Who?

Like BDC, he took the walk down Washout Alley!

http://movies.infinitecoolness.com/08/starshiptroopers13.jpg

Miss Bdc...

[Bossanova]

Macnabb looked pretty special when he puked in the...


Nevermind..

I hate this board

[foodcourtdruide]

Eh, Bannister had a good year last year, started out well this but has had a REALLY shitty year

7-6 4.47 era.

He'd be our third starter with those stats, lol.

[docgoblin]

Eh, Bannister had a good year last year, started out well this but has had a REALLY shitty year

7-6 4.47 era.

Shitty?.. 7-6, 4.46 (respectable in 2008) and a 1.29 WHIP... Almost equal to Maine and Better than Pedro, Pelfrey and Perez in just about every key stat... No, we can't use a guy like that!... How's Victor Zambrano doing these days?

[Kevin]

He'd be our third starter with those stats, lol.

Not to mention you knock that ERA down a run in the NL..

[Kevin]

I hate this board

You love us and you know it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Miss Bdc...

You've got Towelie. He actually fights back though

[foodcourtdruide]

Shitty?.. 7-6, 4.46 (respectable in 2008) and a 1.29 WHIP... Almost equal to Maine and Better than Pedro, Pelfrey and Perez in just about every key stat... No, we can't use a guy like that!... How's Victor Zambrano doing these days?

Victor Zambrano has the same effect on Mets fans as Joe Carter on Phillies fans.

[Kevin]

Shitty?.. 7-6, 4.46 (respectable in 2008) and a 1.29 WHIP... Almost equal to Maine and Better than Pedro, Pelfrey and Perez in just about every key stat... No, we can't use a guy like that!... How's Victor Zambrano doing these days?

He seemed to have been pitching better.. The Royals are like 13-3 vs the NL. His Era was over 5 when he pitched against the Yanks

[Kevin]

Yea it was 5.00 when he entered interleauge.. 7 inning 0runs vs Colo and 7.2 2 runs vs St Louis.

[Kevin]

You've got Towelie. He actually fights back though

I WANT MY BLOGS AND MESSAGE BOARD QUOTES DAMMIT!!

[Towelie]

Breaking a 30 year old record doesn't warrant a little excitement?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I WANT MY BLOGS AND MESSAGE BOARD QUOTES DAMMIT!!

You get remixed videos of Frenchy, which is 100x better than fucking pastry

[Snoogans]

Breaking a 30 year old record doesn't warrant a little excitement?

The only excitment I ever got from a Met persuing a record was Anthony Young

[docgoblin]

He seemed to have been pitching better.. The Royals are like 13-3 vs the NL. His Era was over 5 when he pitched against the Yanks

WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

[Tenbatsuzen]

Breaking a 30 year old record doesn't warrant a little excitement?

WHOOOO! YEAH! Now win some games.

[Towelie]

You get remixed videos of Frenchy, which is 100x better than fucking pastry

Yea mother fuckers. I'm an internet legend.

I am almost single handely responsible for the start of the unity party and the disasters that followed it

[Kevin]

WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Bannister, sorry..

[docgoblin]

Bannister, sorry..

No, my mistake... I had moved on to Kasmir (stupid me!)... Bannister is still very solid with a 1.29 WHIP on a bad team. ERAs can be deceiving based on bad field play and poor relievers backing up the starter. WHIP is a much more telling stat. I'd rather have Bannister than Pelfrey, Perez and, sorry to say, Pedro at this point... Kasmir is a no-brainer! that was a disaster of a deal. Imagine this as our starting rotation: Santana, Maine, Pedro, Kasmir, Bannnister... Not too bad!

[Towelie]

No, my mistake... I had moved on to Kasmir (stupid me!)... Bannister is still very solid with a 1.29 WHIP on a bad team. ERAs can be deceiving based on bad field play and poor relievers backing up the starter. WHIP is a much more telling stat. I'd rather have Bannister than Pelfrey, Perez and, sorry to say, Pedro at this point... Kasmir is a no-brainer! that was a disaster of a deal. Imagine this as our starting rotation: Santana, Maine, Pedro, Kasmir, Bannnister... Not too bad!

If we don't trade Kazmir theres probably a 99.9 percent chance we don't have Pedro, Beltran or Santana

And Bannister sucks. He's a junkballer who barely throws strikes. He was awful when he was here and was buried in a logjam of pitchers.

Besides his first 3 starts he's been 4-6, with a 5.45 ERA, and nearly an .800 OPS against him.

[Snoogans]

I hate this board

Why dont you go post on the Eagles messageboard? Be wary though, I heard the board freezes with 2 minutes left in every game

[Kevin]

Why dont you go post on the Eagles messageboard? Be wary though, I heard the board freezes with 2 minutes left in every game

http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/zeke/archives/sad%20sack/mcnabb.jpg

[docgoblin]

If we don't trade Kazmir theres probably a 99.9 percent chance we don't have Pedro, Beltran or Santana

And Bannister sucks. He's a junkballer who barely throws strikes. He was awful when he was here and was buried in a logjam of pitchers.

Besides his first 3 starts he's been 4-6, with a 5.45 ERA, and nearly an .800 OPS against him.

Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato got us Beltran, Pedro and Santana?... How do you figure?!... Oh, wait... Stupid me!... You're saying that Phillips' bad moves got us Minaya, which got us those players... Which has gotten the Mets where?... As far as Bannister... Check his game-by-game stats with Perez... It's not even close! I'd rather have Kazmir than Pelfrey. I'd also rather have Bannister, along with Nady, than Perez, who he was traded for.

[cougarjake13]

Reyes wouda fucked it up by not touching home because he would be too busy celabratng, thus negating the entire hr.

Don't know if that possible but i ran with it..

if wright touches home before reyes then an out gets recorded for touching a base out of turn

[cougarjake13]

Not as funny as watching Reyes flop around the field the entire month of September.


Or as funny as this:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_HUIXupNDjuQ/R9gJUhhXpSI/AAAAAAAAADw/xAxahtfcloU/S259/Mets+2007.png

I have to see if I can get that made into a pattern...I'd gladly wallpaper my entire house with that.


whats your feelings on this



http://www.mediacastermagazine.com/common_scripts/xtq_images/50262-31912.jpghttp://www.vesphoto.com/Misc_Images/carterb.jpg


i can use google too

[foodcourtdruide]

whats your feelings on this



http://www.mediacastermagazine.com/common_scripts/xtq_images/50262-31912.jpghttp://www.vesphoto.com/Misc_Images/carterb.jpg


i can use google too

If Ron and Fez are in Best Of tomorrow, we'll know Ronnie B reads this thread.

[drizzle]

whats your feelings on this



http://www.mediacastermagazine.com/common_scripts/xtq_images/50262-31912.jpghttp://www.vesphoto.com/Misc_Images/carterb.jpg


i can use google too

How beautiful that looks even today 15 years later!

Suck it Bennington/Philly!

[TheGameHHH]

Reyes is such a classless little bitch

[Towelie]

Reyes is such a classless little bitch

Because he got mad at himself for making a bad throw?

[TheGameHHH]

Because he got mad at himself for making a bad throw?

because he acted like a 6 year old girl, throwing his glove to the ground and pouting like a bitch. so much so that a teammate had to go over to him and tell him to pick it up.

[Kevin]

because he acted like a 6 year old girl, throwing his glove to the ground and pouting like a bitch. so much so that a teammate had to go over to him and tell him to pick it up.

SHUSH! Reyes is Ozzie Smith, And Babe all rolled into one. HOW DARE YOU SAY ANYTHING BAD TOWARDS HIM!

[Towelie]

Reyes had every right to be pissed there.

Delgado barely got his feet off the ground, and Reyes gets nailed with the E-6.

But I digress, every single thing anyone wearing pinstripes does just WREAKS of class

:Rollyeyes:

[TheGameHHH]

Reyes had every right to be pissed there.

Delgado barely got his feet off the ground, and Reyes gets nailed with the E-6.

But I digress, every single thing anyone wearing pinstripes does just WREAKS of class

:Rollyeyes:

A) You can't digress when you're making on topic points

B) Of course he had a right to be upset, but what he did was something little league children do.

C) Why must anything a Yankees fan points out immediately be discredited? He acted like a bitch, get over it. But I digress.....

[Towelie]

I can digress anytime I fucking please.

[Kevin]

A) You can't digress when you're making on topic points

B) Of course he had a right to be upset, but what he did was something little league children do.

C) Why must anything a Yankees fan points out immediately be discredited? He acted like a bitch, get over it. But I digress.....

Its not just Yankee fan.. Its anyone who disagrees with him period.. He disgards Met Yankee and Philly fans alike.

[Towelie]

Its not just Yankee fan.. Its anyone who disagrees with him period.. He disgards Met Yankee and Philly fans alike.

No shit. Because a) I'm always right. and b) Everyone else is wrong.

Is it this hard to figure out?

[cougarjake13]

I FUCKING HATE BILLY (john franco armando benetiez)WAGNER

[Towelie]

I FUCKING HATE BILLY (john franco armando benetiez braden looper)WAGNER

Fixed.

[cougarjake13]

Fixed.

SHIT YEAH forgot about him

[Towelie]

Nice win.

4-2 vs. the Yankees.

[docgoblin]

I FUCKING HATE BILLY (john franco armando benetiez)WAGNER

He scares the shit outta me. You just know that he'll screw up in a huge spot. I can't even remember the last solid closer we had... Possibly Orosco/McDowell?

[hammersavage]

He scares the shit outta me. You just know that he'll screw up in a huge spot. I can't even remember the last solid closer we had... Possibly Orosco/McDowell?

EVERY CLOSER IS SCARY!!! (except for Rivera that is and Papelbon for a 2 year period) No Met fan will ever be happy with their closer until #42 retires, he makes all pale in comparison.

[docgoblin]

EVERY CLOSER IS SCARY!!! (except for Rivera that is and Papelbon for a 2 year period) No Met fan will ever be happy with their closer until #42 retires, he makes all pale in comparison.

It's very hard to disagree. Most closers put their fan's hearts in their throats. It's because they generally throw heat. A major league hitter can hit a straight fastball with his eyes closed. When A-Rod hit that pitch I thought it was gone. I guess, for better or worse, you gotta consider Wagner one of best closers after Mariano and Papelbon... Scary!:ohmy:

[Jose Canseco]

It's very hard to disagree. Most closers put their fan's hearts in their throats. It's because they generally throw heat. A major league hitter can hit a straight fastball with his eyes closed. When A-Rod hit that pitch I thought it was gone. I guess, for better or worse, you gotta consider Wagner one of best closers after Mariano and Papelbon... Scary!:ohmy:


I take full responsibility for the Mets win today.

Since I revealed that cheater A-Rod as a juicing maniac, he must have stop taking his roids and didn't have the strength to muscle that ball out.

You're all welcome that I had the courage and strength to show him for what he was.

And if you want to show your thanks, you can do so in the form of cash in an envelope, mailed to me.


Oh, I also hear you guys need a left-fielder, no?

[Towelie]

Philly loses again.

Good day all around

[PD]

A) You can't digress when you're making on topic points

B) Of course he had a right to be upset, but what he did was something little league children do.

C) Why must anything a Yankees fan points out immediately be discredited? He acted like a bitch, get over it. But I digress.....

why is it when Reyes throws his glove its childish, but when Paul O'Neill broke a bat because he didn't do what he expected it was manly?

as long as he's pissed at HIMSELF, I'm fine with it.

I was there today; It's worse that he actually made the error than got pissed.
Ollie was back to being good ollie- and kept his composure. Even the homer he gave up was fine- with a multi-run lead at least with no one on he challenged Betemit.

Oh and let us all not forget that even before the Mets in 2006, and Phillies "Wild Thing", we also had
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517M77XKRML._SS500_.jpg

the amazing collapse of 1964, who were up 6.5 with 12 left to play.

[EddieMoscone]

Ollie pretty much said in not so many words during his post game interview that Peterson was the one that fucked him up. He mentioned that he was allowed to pitch the way he felt comfortable. I know one of the reasons talked about as to why Peterson was let go was that he didn't play to what his pitchers did well, but instead wanted them all to conform to his style.

Perez said something like "today that was the real Ollie." He was pitching from down on the side a bit, and his fastball was hitting 95 instead of 90.

[hammersavage]

God I hope that's true and not just bullshit rhetoric.

I think with Maine, New-Ollie, Pelfrey (who looks like he turned a corner), and Santana (who I think is pitching pretty well and has a lot of bad luck) we have a chance to put a run together. The pen looks like its falling into place a little as well.

And Church changes the entire complexion of the lineup. These next 2 weeks will make or break the season IMO. Phillies are floundering and we get a chance to pile on or have the '08 season written off. Somebody needs to step up and get a few clutch hits for fucks sake.

[Towelie]

Theres really no gray area with Ollie.

Either you're going to get what you got today or you're going to get a quick and painful implosion.

With Church finally back, Alou on his way we're actually starting to look like a team again.

Can they win say 50 of the next 81? I don't know. But with the way the NL and the division are playing out, it may only take 45 more wins to get into the playoffs

[PD]

Once again, I was not one who called for Willie/Jacket to be let go, but a few things I like already:

1) It was announced that starting with the Phillies, Manuel is changing the Rotation slightly to be Santana, Maine, and then Ollie. I'm old school - It never made sense to me to throw the 2 lefties back-to-back, especially when everyone agreed that Maine was at least as good (and probably better) than Ollie.

2) Delgado finally removed late in game for defense. Ok, I don't get why it was Tatis and not Andy Phillips, but its still a positive.

3) The Warthan philosophy of advising pitchers based on what they do, rather than your system. Jacket would probably be good for the Youngsters, but why change what works?

4) the magic "100 pitch limit" seems gone. They aren't going 130 yet, but at least the idea is to give starters more of a chance to go deeper

5) Warthan seems to be more likely let pitchers throw high fastballs- it's not where you want to live, but this staff needs to have that as an option;

6) Manuel giving more defined roles to the pen. This is related to #3; in theory I agree it shouldnt matter when relievers go in, but they all seem to want to have an idea of their role - and if it works, great.

Big games ahead- surprising St. Louis, and then the Phillies, who are struggling, but who are still in 1st place and love playing vs Mets.

Finally, think about it- who woulda thought at the beginning of the year we'd be waiting desperately for Church to play, and we'd dread Pedro starts?

[BeerBandit]

Big games ahead- surprising St. Louis, and then the Phillies, who are struggling, but who are still in 1st place and love playing vs Mets.

Anybody going to the Mets/Phillies game on Sun. 6th? If so, stop on by for a dog and a beer. Chip196 and I will be there cheering on the Mutts. Should be Pedro for that game.

[RF Godfather]

I have a quick question, why do the Mets not start Beltran, Nixon and Church at the same time? Eventhough he is not hitting on all cylinders I want Nixon up during crunch time. I have faith in that Yankee killer.

[PD]

I have a quick question, why do the Mets not start Beltran, Nixon and Church at the same time? Eventhough he is not hitting on all cylinders I want Nixon up during crunch time. I have faith in that Yankee killer.

well, for one thing, in order to activate Church they put Nixon on the D/L with groin strain.

[K.C.]

Anybody going to the Mets/Phillies game on Sun. 6th? If so, stop on by for a dog and a beer. Chip196 and I will be there cheering on the Mutts. Should be Pedro for that game.

It's shaping up to look like a pretty good series...not sure what games I have tickets for, but I have a couple of them.

I got an e-mail from the Phillies offering limited ticket availability, despite it supposedly being 'sold out,' but I think it's part of their "Tent Tailgate" promotion designed to milk an extra $100 per ticket out of anyone who REALLY wants to go, and can't figure out how to use StubHub.

[tbagnu]

I will be there in section 236 for Saturdays game with a couple of Mutts fans cheering on the Phloundering Phils!!

[hammersavage]

well then boo to both of you, booooo i say!!!

[TheMojoPin]

I hate the Mets, but I hate the Cardinals about a bajillion times more, so please beat the shit out of those goddamn Trashbirds. Thank you.

[Friday]

i wanna go to a mets game.
if anyone ever wants to go, tell me.
i am a met fan living in a world of theatre people and yankee supporters.
:help:

[PD]

i wanna go to a mets game.
if anyone ever wants to go, tell me.
i am a met fan living in a world of theatre people and yankee supporters.
:help:

I'm sure Casey is willing to go....

I have a sunday package so I go every sunday.

It would be nice though to have a get together at some time.

This was posted on metsblog (and of course on Youtube).
George Carlin on Kiner's Korner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcwjVnndYr4&e

[cougarjake13]

i wanna go to a mets game.
if anyone ever wants to go, tell me.
i am a met fan living in a world of theatre people and yankee supporters.
:help:



it'd be awesome to have ronfez mets outings but unfortunately im 1200 miles away


i will be coming up next april for the opening of the new stadium so if anyone wants to set something up for that i'd be down for that

[cougarjake13]

I take full responsibility for the Mets win today.

Since I revealed that cheater A-Rod as a juicing maniac, he must have stop taking his roids and didn't have the strength to muscle that ball out.

You're all welcome that I had the courage and strength to show him for what he was.

And if you want to show your thanks, you can do so in the form of cash in an envelope, mailed to me.


Oh, I also hear you guys need a left-fielder, no?

i'd rather have your brother ozzie

[cougarjake13]

He scares the shit outta me. You just know that he'll screw up in a huge spot. I can't even remember the last solid closer we had... Possibly Orosco/McDowell?



yeh prob

cause after them we had myers, franco, benetiez, looper, and now wagner

and they all had the same heart attack inducing appearances

[docgoblin]

God I hope that's true and not just bullshit rhetoric.

I think with Maine, New-Ollie, Pelfrey (who looks like he turned a corner), and Santana (who I think is pitching pretty well and has a lot of bad luck) we have a chance to put a run together. The pen looks like its falling into place a little as well.

And Church changes the entire complexion of the lineup. These next 2 weeks will make or break the season IMO. Phillies are floundering and we get a chance to pile on or have the '08 season written off. Somebody needs to step up and get a few clutch hits for fucks sake.

I really thought Maine was a solid, but he's been a bit shaky lately! Tonight was abysmal! This pitching staff is just so unreliable... And of course the bats slept through the game. God forbid they play a night game in the central time zone after a day game at home... Poor babies must have been tired after their long trip!

[NickyL0885]

Kyle Loshe looked like Sandy Koufax tonight. Oy Vei......we should be beating these pitchers.

[Devo37]

one of my good friends is a cardinals fan. i am not looking forward to tomorrow's inevitable phone call.

[TheMojoPin]

Well...

TANKS FER NUTTIN'!!!

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/c/d/7/cd78878372e58f9ab6f0507bf5728bdc.jpg

[PD]

I missed the beginning of the game, and by the time I tuned it, it was already 7-1.

so it was bad defense (3 errors?) no runs scored, and no pitching.


ugh.

[drizzle]

Feel better Kevin?














U dumb waterhead cunt!

[jauble]

Feel better Kevin?











U dumb waterhead cunt!

For someone that wishes this site was more about ron and fez you certainly are posting a lot in non R&F related forums...perhaps you are the waterhead "norton wannabe" cunt?

[drizzle]

For someone that wishes this site was more about ron and fez you certainly are posting a lot in non R&F related forums...perhaps you are the waterhead "norton wannabe" cunt?

Looks like I have fans! And there is a HUGE difference bt posting in other forums and making it about me. Plus, Kevin is an honest waterhead. I saw the doc on albanian animal planet. I think it's awesome that people treat him like a normal person here. Really, I do.

[Kevin]

Looks like I have fans! And there is a HUGE difference bt posting in other forums and making it about me. Plus, Kevin is an honest waterhead. I saw the doc on albanian animal planet. I think it's awesome that people treat him like a normal person here. Really, I do.

Not an ounce of originality or humor in that entire post. For a person who is desperately trying to fill the void of his pathetic non internet life by doing just that, this is a remarkable fail.

[drizzle]

Just bc u say something doesn't make it so pal. Have fun with that.

[midwestjeff]

One down, three to go.

Mojo, I'm ashamed.
Don't side with these dirty Mets fans.
Fans of NL Central teams should be above that.
Or maybe you should because then you'll have
friends to cry with after the Cards steamroll your teams this week.

[Friday]

One down, three to go.

Mojo, I'm ashamed.
Don't side with these dirty Mets fans.
Fans of NL Central teams should be above that.
Or maybe you should because then you'll have
friends to cry with after the Cards steamroll your teams this week.

hey!


and it's not our fault Mojo's teams can't get shit done on their own.
so he feels the need to come into our threads begging for favors and spreading his crappy luck around in the process.
someone needs to grow a sturdier backbone....

[TheMojoPin]

One down, three to go.

Mojo, I'm ashamed.
Don't side with these dirty Mets fans.
Fans of NL Central teams should be above that.
Or maybe you should because then you'll have
friends to cry with after the Cards steamroll your teams this week.

NEVAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!

I may hate the Mets, but they aren't direct rivals anymore. You damn dirty Cardinals...SUFFER FAIL.

[TheMojoPin]

hey!


and it's not our fault Mojo's teams can't get shit done on their own.
so he feels the need to come into our threads begging for favors and spreading his crappy luck around in the process.
someone needs to grow a sturdier backbone....

40-42.

50-33.

One of these things is not like the other.

[Towelie]

I can't buy into the Cubs when they are just atrocious on the road.

And Brett Myers sent down to AAA

Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahah ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah ah

hah.

[TheMojoPin]

I can't buy into the Cubs when they are just atrocious on the road.

Almost every team stinks on the road. Only a handful are even at or over .500. If the Cubs hover near .500 on the road and keep kicking ass at home, they still end the season with a likely 90+ wins season.

[K.C.]

Almost every team stinks on the road. Only a handful are even at or over .500. If the Cubs hover near .500 on the road and keep kicking ass at home, they still end the season with a likely 90+ wins season.

Silence, peasant!!

It's obvious the 40-42 Mets have infinitely more talent, prestige, and history than your pathetic Cubs!

Fuck Ryne Sandberg...he's not fit to carry Carlos Baerga's spikes!

Los Mets salsa all night long...Ariba!

[NickyL0885]

Un-Fucking-Believable. 2-0 Redbirds already on the Ankiel 2Run Homer. Tony Armas stinks and i dont like him!

[PD]

Fuck Ryne Sandberg...he's not fit to carry Carlos Baerga's spikes!!

Hmm... what organization traded away Ryne Sandberg????

Phillies GM Paul Owens then went back to his scouts, who told him Sandberg wouldn't be any more than a utility infielder. Sandberg was traded along with shortstop Larry Bowa to the Cubs for shortstop Ivan DeJesus prior to the 1982 season.

[K.C.]

Hmm... what organization traded away Ryne Sandberg????

It was payback for fleecing St. Louis of Steve Carlton.

Can't win 'em all.

Actually that deal was 100% Dallas Green...when he left Philly for the Cubs, he was the only one in the organization that realized what Sandberg was and brought him to Chi-Town with him.

[PD]

Can't win 'em all.


very true.
mets actually just pulled ahead 5-3 in 5th

don't look good doing it, but its a start

edit:
now 6-3

[BoondockSaint]

The Mets may actually win this game. It's good to have Church back.

[K.C.]

The Mets may actually win this game. It's good to have Church back.

Anything under a 10 spot from Tony Armas has to be viewed as a plus.

I don't care what his Triple-A numbers were...he has never been good.

In fact, I'm half-shocked he didn't go to throw a slider in the 1st and have his arm break off at the shoulder and launch six rows back into the stands at Busch.

[TheMojoPin]

I'll mae out wih Mr. Met if you guys pull this off. With Marquis on the mound for the Cubs, a win would be a miracle.

[Friday]

I'll make out wih Mr. Met if you guys pull this off. Wih Marquis on the mound for the Cubs, a win would be a miracle.

i am holding you to this.
mr met awaits....


on a side note... I am always torn when they play the Cards.
I <3 the METS
but... I :wub: Rick Ankiel......

[PD]

i am holding you to this.
mr met awaits....


on a side note... I am always torn when they play the Cards.
I <3 the METS
but... I :wub: Rick Ankiel......

I gotta hand it to Ankiel; he went from wildman pitcher to solid OF.
He had a couple of good defensive plays tonight.

[Marc with a c]

fuck fuck fuck fuck

[BoondockSaint]

fuck

[Marc with a c]

i hate that molina

[BoondockSaint]

i hate molina.

[Marc with a c]

ricola!!!

[Kevin]

Cough drops!

[PD]

i hate that molina
Name that Molina.


yeah, he seems to take pleasure at attacking mets, but it was still a win with Tony Armas Jr, so we can't complain.

[jauble]

Thank you guys...we appreciate it.

[Towelie]

Just to say it again

Brett Myers = AAA player

BUT HES GOING TO WIN 20 GAMES AFTER BEING THE BEST CLOSER EVER!@%$!@%*@^*@#*U^T
\

/KC

[King Hippos Bandaid]

it sucks being mediocre

if Baseball had a NIT , we would be invited there

[K.C.]

Just to say it again

Brett Myers = AAA player

BUT HES GOING TO WIN 20 GAMES AFTER BEING THE BEST CLOSER EVER!@%$!@%*@^*@#*U^T
\

/KC

Still had better numbers than Pedro at the time of his demotion.

"We're getting 2005 Pedro back!!! Here we come, Cy Young!"
-Towelie

http://www.playwithlinn.com/Images/funny%20pics/oh%20snap.jpg

[midwestjeff]

1,2,3,4. :bye:

[tbagnu]

oh and how about all you fuckers shouting out that santana was going to win 30 games this year!!...FACE

[cougarjake13]

oh and how about all you fuckers shouting out that santana was going to win 30 games this year!!...FACE

im not going to re read the whole thread but i cant think of more than one person who said that, prob was towelie

[hammersavage]

I vote to never play Luis Castillo again!!! who's in?

[midwestjeff]

This isn't over.

And way to take advantage of Mulder.
The man had to adjust his arm angle, for Christ's sake.
His arm angle!
Have you no shame????:furious:

[midwestjeff]

Told Ya!!!

[K.C.]

This isn't over.

And way to take advantage of Mulder.
The man had to adjust his arm angle, for Christ's sake.
His arm angle!
Have you no shame????:furious:


Wow...way to call it.

[hammersavage]

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

fuck this, i have to go to bed:wallbash:

[midwestjeff]

Wow...way to call it.

You know, I almost called Ankiel's homer earlier too, but I didn't want to jinx it. I see the future, what can I say? Oh, how about the Mets blow. I can say that.

[Friday]

You know, I almost called Ankiel's homer earlier too, but I didn't want to jinx it. I see the future, what can I say? Oh, how about the Mets blow. I can say that.

http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/photos/santa_barbara_california/images/ostrich.jpg

[midwestjeff]

Pujols, Ankiel, Glaus.

Which one takes Wagner deep?
:smoke:

[Friday]

Pujols, Ankiel, Glaus.

Which one takes Wagner deep?
:smoke:

not your biggest fan tonight.
smug mother effer


oh FUCK ME.

Fucking Cardinals.

or should I say... mother effing FELICIANO.

[midwestjeff]

Glaus!!!

[K.C.]

Glaus!!!

Well, that helps...4 1/2 up on the Mets...just need the Fish to drop a few.

[docgoblin]

So 15 games since the big Manager change and the team went from being 1 game under .500 to 2 games under... I know you gotta give things time to work out, but is anyone seeing a renewed energy with these guys?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

good job NY MEHts

good to see a 2 run lead is safe for our 8th and 9th inning pitchers



its gonna be a long season

[docgoblin]

good job NY MEHts

good to see a 2 run lead is safe for our 8th and 9th inning pitchers



its gonna be a long season

Whaddaya mean "gonna be?"... It's been a long season already!

[K.C.]

Weird out of the blue question:

Would you guys trade Jose Reyes for Tim Lincecum if that deal was ever offered?

[hammersavage]

I would most definitely do that.

[cougarjake13]

Weird out of the blue question:

Would you guys trade Jose Reyes for Tim Lincecum if that deal was ever offered?

no

[Kevin]

no

Really? for a young pitcher who throws 97 98 and has an era in the 2's?

[cougarjake13]

Really? for a young pitcher who throws 97 98 and has an era in the 2's?

i'd need to see more than a 1 1/2 yrs and only 41 career starts

it'd be tempting but who's to say he wont turn into 1 yr wonder

[BoondockSaint]

I wouldn't.

[BoondockSaint]

Delgado is the best hitter in baseball.

[Kevin]

Delgado is the best hitter in baseball.

Did he Delget something?

[BoondockSaint]

Did he Delget something?

I think he Delgot Cynthia.

[Kevin]

I think he Delgot Cynthia.

Well,She seems to have taken a liking to has beens..

[BoondockSaint]

Well,She seems to have taken a liking to has beens..

I guess that's why she's been hanging around Mr. Yankee Playoff Chances.

[Kevin]

I guess that's why she's been hanging around Mr. Yankee Playoff Chances.

So why did she leave?

[PD]

I vote to never play Luis Castillo again!!! who's in?

Well you'll have a few days without him at least.

As the FANS know, this is a most frustrating team.

11-1 so far. One day play great, another awful. Sometimes the differential is in the same game (like last night).

by the way, LaRussa really likes to have his pitchers absorb punishment.

Oh and Kevin,

Boston 7, Yankees 0

[Kevin]

Well you'll have a few days without him at least.

As the FANS know, this is a most frustrating team.

11-1 so far. One day play great, another awful. Sometimes the differential is in the same game (like last night).

by the way, LaRussa really likes to have his pitchers absorb punishment.

Oh and Kevin,

Boston 7, Yankees 0

What day is? is this a win day for the Mets or a loss day, I can never tell..

[PD]

What day is? is this a win day for the Mets or a loss day, I can never tell..

Today is an odd day; its a win.

[BoondockSaint]

What day is? is this a win day for the Mets or a loss day, I can never tell..

You know what, asshole? My sister-in-law told me that the Mets would win tonight. So I say it was an awesome day.

[docgoblin]

Pelfery has really impressed me today. I was worried he'd give up a ton of hits/runs being staked to a big lead. He stuck to his game and kept the pitch count low, thus saving the bullpen for the Philly series... Good job Mike! :clap:

OK Johan, now it's your turn... Give us one of those million dollar games they paid you for (and the offense better score more than 2 runs against a triple-A pitcher as well!)...

...A very good win given the upcoming series... I just hope Wright is not going to miss the series, especially because of a stupid injury during a blowout.

[Kevin]

You know what, asshole? My sister-in-law told me that the Mets would win tonight. So I say it was an awesome day.

Your brother is straight? when the hell did this happen?

[docgoblin]

Your brother is straight? when the hell did this happen?

Actually, it's his sister's partner, but thanks for bringing attention to their family situation...:nono:

[docgoblin]

Are these bats made of balsa?

[NickyL0885]

From Metsblog: In an ‘exclusive’ report for the New York Post, Bart Hubbuch details a recent ‘confrontation’ between Keith Hernandez and Jose Reyes while in St. Louis.

According to Hubbuch, citing ‘one player,’ Reyes and Hernandez were close to exchanging punches on the team charter until others stepped in.



I agree with cerrone. Im glad keith speaks his mind. he is one of the most refreshing things in baseball these days. unlike some other assbag across town.

[Kevin]

From Metsblog: In an ‘exclusive’ report for the New York Post, Bart Hubbuch details a recent ‘confrontation’ between Keith Hernandez and Jose Reyes while in St. Louis.

According to Hubbuch, citing ‘one player,’ Reyes and Hernandez were close to exchanging punches on the team charter until others stepped in.

Keith would fucked him up then forced him to plug just for men in every interview he does.

[Towelie]

Jeff Francouer got sent to Double A.

Ouch.

[PD]

From Metsblog: In an ‘exclusive’ report for the New York Post, Bart Hubbuch details a recent ‘confrontation’ between Keith Hernandez and Jose Reyes while in St. Louis.

According to Hubbuch, citing ‘one player,’ Reyes and Hernandez were close to exchanging punches on the team charter until others stepped in.



I agree with cerrone. Im glad keith speaks his mind. he is one of the most refreshing things in baseball these days. unlike some other assbag across town.

If it was any other paper, I'd believe it more; the Post is getting worse and worse.

I do like the Mets announcers. SNY can use better filler programming, and the tech stuff is just ok, but Keith/Darling/Cohen with Harold reynolds (and even Maz) in studio is top notch.

[BoondockSaint]

SNY can use better filler programming,

What, the endless reruns of Beer Money doesn't do it for you?

[cougarjake13]

If it was any other paper, I'd believe it more; the Post is getting worse and worse.

I do like the Mets announcers. SNY can use better filler programming, and the tech stuff is just ok, but Keith/Darling/Cohen with Harold reynolds (and even Maz) in studio is top notch.

havent been able to listen much to SNY since moving down here but i always love keith's honesty

[Towelie]

These older players have to realize that their generation is over.

I love Keith, but sometimes it seems like he freaks out when players don't play the game like he did.

(They also didn't do the drugs, boozing and womanizing he did either)

[NickyL0885]

But Keith is right about Reyes. Hes 25. He needs to grow up. Im not saying dont show emotion but to slam the glove on the field, show up Manuel in LA etc.

[PD]

But Keith is right about Reyes. Hes 25. He needs to grow up. Im not saying dont show emotion but to slam the glove on the field, show up Manuel in LA etc.

Mets, Reyes thrown by criticism (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spminside0704,0,5672001.column)

It's much ado about nothing.

the glove incident is one example.
Did it look good? Of course not. Reyes realizes it was a mistake. But both he and Carlos Delgado found it ridiculous that some perceived Reyes to be showing up the first baseman after Delgado had the throw kick off the tip of his glove. The first thing Reyes did when he returned to the dugout was apologize to Delgado for not delivering the throw chest high. Delgado, in turn, told him, "My bad. I should have had that ball."

"I think it all got blown out of proportion," Delgado said. "It was pretty unfair. I think he is a great teammate. It's funny how sometimes we get criticized for not showing emotions and this is a kid who is upset that he made an error. And he got crushed for that, too. Sometimes you just can't win.

in the Willie days all we heard is this team has no emotion; and yet when Reyes shows emotion, he gets bashed.

Just win baby.

[PD]

If it was any other paper, I'd believe it more; the Post is getting worse and worse.

Adam Rubin of NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2008/07/reyes-and-hernandez-clash-on-t.html) backs me up
The Mets acknowledge there was a verbal exchange between Keith Hernandez and Jose Reyes over the SNY analyst’s critical comments during Sunday night’s flight from New York to St. Louis. They suggest it was far from intense enough to have escalated to something physical. Players who have strolled through the dugout this afternoon in Philly weren’t even aware it had occurred.

[lleeder]

Time for another vacation for Keith. :banning:

[docgoblin]

And Santana gets little support once again... This is the telling sign for the '08 Mets. They're gonna have a real tough time going up against the good teams in the NL. They really don't have the horses to stand toe-to-toe with the likes of Philly and The Cubbies (Ronnie's two favorite teams ironically enough).

[K.C.]

Buster Olney (a Towelie favorite) had an interesting stat on Baseball Tonight last night that I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

When Santana cracks the 60 pitch barrier, his BAA goes from .239 to .255, his Slugging Pct against goes from .340 to .463, and nine of the 14 home runs he's given up have come then.

Now, part of me wants to just say he's using statistics to illustrate one of the most obvious points anyone can make about ANY pitcher: the longer a guy throws, the more likely he is to wear down.

That said, it's not like 60 pitches is 100 pitches...60 pitches is the 4th, 5th, or 6th inning most nights.



Now obviously, all of this is moot if the Mets actually scored runs behind him...and it's not like those 60+ numbers are hideous.

But it's something to consider in terms of forecasting Santana. My experience is that most fans have a completely unrealistic expectation of the guy.

[PD]

Buster Olney (a Towelie favorite) had an interesting stat on Baseball Tonight last night that I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

When Santana cracks the 60 pitch barrier, his BAA goes from .239 to .255, his Slugging Pct against goes from .340 to .463, and nine of the 14 home runs he's given up have come then.

Now, part of me wants to just say he's using statistics to illustrate one of the most obvious points anyone can make about ANY pitcher: the longer a guy throws, the more likely he is to wear down.

That said, it's not like 60 pitches is 100 pitches...60 pitches is the 4th, 5th, or 6th inning most nights.



Now obviously, all of this is moot if the Mets actually scored runs behind him...and it's not like those 60+ numbers are hideous.

But it's something to consider in terms of forecasting Santana. My experience is that most fans have a completely unrealistic expectation of the guy.

in a vacuum, I don't think much of that stat; ie- what are everyone else's splits? It's not uncommon to think the 2nd or 3rd time may favor the hitter.

Still bad trends for Mets- 0-7 with runners in scoring position, and once again, Phillies seem to have a team that feels like it's never out of it.

[hammersavage]

"Manuel said he was giving "strong consideration" to moving Beltran to the No. 2 spot in the lineup. He batted fourth on Saturday."

Hey, welcome to something that should have happened 3 years ago.

[NickyL0885]

I dont know.....Church is best in the 2 hole i believe. But hey...why not try something new.

[hammersavage]

I can live with that and, frankly, with the way Endy was hitting I can live with him also.

But my ideal lineup would be:
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Alou (if he ever plays more than one game in a row)
Church
Delgado
Easley
Castro

[hammersavage]

I really hope good Ollie shows up today, bad Ollie can suck a bag of dicks...

[cougarjake13]

I really hope good Ollie shows up today, bad Ollie can suck a bag of dicks...

its a big game against a high profile opponent

we should see the good ollie

[BoondockSaint]

Good job by Ollie getting out of that jam.

[BoondockSaint]

Nice catch, Marlon.

[K.C.]

Nice catch, Marlon.

I am enjoying the relentless heckling they've been putting on Marlon since that play.

[epo]

Ryan Braun is an NL starter in the All-Star game. Smoke on that Griffey!

[K.C.]

Ryan Braun is an NL starter in the All-Star game. Smoke on that Griffey!

What does any of that have to do with the Mets????

[epo]

What does any of that have to do with the Mets????

Totally wrong thread. I thought I was in the MLB thread.

[BoondockSaint]

Sweet play by Reyes!

[PD]

so what are the odds that it rains so hard they have to call it?



OK- not so good. I HATE when mets bad defense puts them in a whole. Now they will need Feliciano to somehow suck it up.

[K.C.]

so what are the odds that it rains so hard they have to call it?



OK- not so good. I HATE when mets bad defense puts them in a whole. Now they will need Feliciano to somehow suck it up.


I don't know...the rains are just kind of holding steady around Philadelphia. Most likely it'll stop raining within the next hour.

The damage could be done on the field, making it unplayable, but Citizens Bank drains pretty well, and the grounds crew there usually does a pretty good job.

So I'd guess they'll resume around 6:45, 7 PM.

[EddieMoscone]

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Chief-Jay-Strongbow.jpg

Let's all join Chief Jay in a rain dance!

[BoondockSaint]

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Chief-Jay-Strongbow.jpg

Let's all join Chief Jay in a rain dance!

Hey how are ya. Hey how are ya.

[Kevin]

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Chief-Jay-Strongbow.jpg

Let's all join Chief Jay in a rain dance!

Wouldn't they just start the game the same spot, tomorrow or when ever?

They would not call it in the Mets favor.

Yanks had to play a game in balt where it started in the 7rh because of PPD, they finished that game and started the other.

[EddieMoscone]

Wouldn't they just start the game the same spot, tomorrow or when ever?

They would not call it in the Mets favor.

Yanks had to play a game in balt where it started in the 7rh because of PPD, they finished that game and started the other.

If the Yankees continued the game it is only because it was tied, or the team that had the lead took the lead in the same inning the rain delay started. Since this is an official game and the Mets scored their run before the 8th inning, it would be a Mets win if called.

[Kevin]

If the Yankees continued the game it is only because it was tied, or the team that had the lead took the lead in the same inning the rain delay started. Since this is an official game and the Mets scored their run before the 8th inning, it would be a Mets win if called.

I doubt they would call a game when the home team was batting with runners on, i think the home team had to have finish that innng.

[K.C.]

Looking at the radar, the rain should stop within the next half hour.

We'll see where they go from there. They won't call the game until they at least take the tarp off and assess the field.

If I had to guess, we're playing.